Hi there, 2020 podcast listeners. This is Deborah Roberts, co-anchor of 2020. It's time for our final installment of The Beauty Queen killer, Nine Days of Terror. This is episode three, Live to Tell. After he shot Beth Dodd, We were just driving towards Canada border, and Wilder became different. He put his arm on the middle console, said, I'm going to take you to Boston Airport, and I'll let you go. I didn't know why. And I just looked at him and to myself like, Okay, I'm not going to believe this because it could be a trick. That couldn't even feel like a relief to you because you couldn't believe it? No, there was no feeling In the sense of anything. Everything was numb, stifled, and petrified. And he meant he could change his mind. The next thing I know, I'm at the airport. I don't even remember driving through Boston or anything. I I don't remember the airport. We walked up to the counter, still not looking at anybody, just keeping my focus on him. Give me your ID. You paid for the ticket. Here's some money. You're going to need this. Take this $1,000 for whatever you need.

And then he just said goodbye. That's it. Just bye. And he left and turned around and walked away. I was still afraid he's going to come back and get me. Always looking over my shoulder like, Where is he at? Being that I was still in the mindset of being controlled. I was lost. What do I need to do? So I just sat there waiting, staring off to the darkness out the window. Not until I was in that plane that I know for sure that I was actually released from him. Never been on an airplane, and what a first introduction to airlines and airplanes. I think we stopped in Chicago, went to Texas, and then to LAX or something. It was like a weird route. But I slept all the way home. I still didn't know anything that's going on, like the major manhunt for me. Captain Popp is with us tonight. Captain, what can you tell us? At the moment, the only new information we have is that the body found in Victor, New York, is not the of our missing Tia Marie Risicle. 33-year-old Beth Dodge of Upstate, New York, was shot in the back.

Police in New York and surrounding States have now joined the search. But as one federal agent said today, Wilder moves very fast. If they don't get him tonight, he could be anywhere by morning. It's 11:00 AM. I think the plane landed. I was just glad to be home. It was warm and sunny in Southern California. It was April 13th on a Friday. I got into a cab, and the cab, he knew who I was. I didn't realize he did until I happened to lean forward and to put my hands on the front seat, and I looked down next to him in the passenger seat. There, my face was on the frigging front of the newspaper. And that was the first inclination that people were really looking for me. My emotion was, Oh, boy, what's going to happen to me now? But I had been in the same underwear, same bra, same clothes for the last amount of days, and that's all I was concentrating on. Everything was stinky. And I said, Well, you know what? Let's go down to the Hermosa Beach. Can you take me to the lingerie store, the Tushery? No one was in the store at the time I was.

The salespeople there, they were nice girls, but more infatuated knowing that they had some true crime celebrity in their store. Are you the shop owner here? Yes. Were you the one to put in the report? No, one of the girls that worked with me did report with her. What was it that led her I don't think it was. Well, she said there was her. She just got in. He gave her money and put her on a plane. Really? And that she didn't want to call her mother until she had time to think about it because she felt after that happened, It would be her life wouldn't be her own. And this is what she told the clerk? Both the Clerks. And relate that story again. What did she tell her about? She said, Okay, I guess they don't want me to make any statements. What statement?Thank you. We heard that she had gone to that clothing store in Hermosa. We had 15 news stations out in front of the department waiting for her. Everybody was all excited, but we didn't know exactly where she was going. I thought she would go to her mother's house.

So after shopping there, I I did realize that if I did go home, I'm just going to be bombarded by all these reporters. So I didn't go home. I'm glad I didn't because apparently, there was paparazzi waiting for me to arrive. I avoided all that. I went up to my boyfriend Billy because I'm like, That's it. I want to see Billy. I missed him so bad. And he wasn't home when I got taken up there by the cabby. But our friends, Rick and Jerry, were there. We're in the front yard watching our vehicles. And all of a sudden, a taxi cab pulls up. She steps out of the cab, and Jerry and I were dumbfounded. We absolutely didn't expect to see Tina come home. Didn't expect it. We were treating her with kid gloves. We didn't want to shake her up at We just let her talk, and she was just in a different space. At Billy's house, it was peaceful. I was able to take a shower, change my clothes. And then they said, We should take you to the police station. She just resigned herself. Yeah, I guess we do have to go.

What she knew was inevitable. Billy had contacted me, and I can't remember whether it was the day before or that morning. And he asked if I could go to Torrance Police Department with him as moral support, to be interviewed by detectives. I was just sitting there waiting for him. And I remember Ricky McCartier walking in with Tina, and it was just There are no words to describe it. I didn't say anything to her because she was obviously whisked away immediately. At the police station with all the FBI and police people, it's like three o'clock our time, maybe. Someone comes rushing in the room. We just got word, like talking amongst ourselves. They're cops, how they say. And then they to me and told me what happened. Earlier that day, Colbrook, New Hampshire. Christopher Wilder is in Beth Dodge's Pontiac Firebird, and he is heading for the Canadian border, about 10 or 12 miles north of the little town of Colbrook, where he goes into the Getty Service Station. And then two troopers are driving back from having lunch, I think. Wilder looks at the passing two cops, and it's that remarkable moment where they say, Now, this is the guy that everyone's looking for.

The cops wheel into the service station. One gets out first while his mate is covering him, goes to the car, he and Wilder start fighting. Then a gun goes off. Where does it seem like when you arrived? There was an unidentified subject in a gold-colored Camaro, skunked over the seat, and Trooper Jellison was sitting in his seat. It was something very unusual for a small town like Colbrook, something like this to happen. A nationwide manhunt is over. Christopher Wilder, who has been on the FBI's wanted list for more than a week, shot and killed himself in Colbrook, New Hampshire, just five miles from the Canadian border. Spotted by state troopers, Wilder Wilder shot himself, but the bullet passed through his body and wounded a police officer. Wilder then fired again, this time, killing himself. Welcome, mystery enthusiasts. If you're a fan of uncovering hidden clues and solving mind-bending mysteries, then you're in for a treat with June's Journey, the thrilling Detective Game set in the mesmerizing world of the Roaring Twenties. Dive into glamor and intrig as you engage your sense of observation to find hidden objects from the parlors of New York to the sidewalks of Paris.

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Relief. What went through my mind was relief. Yeah, relief. Can't live my life what ifs, but what if he was still alive today? I wouldn't be sitting in this chair today. I learned in the hospital. I was still in the hospital. I was sleeping, and I woke up with a terror, right? And I remember they're like, It's okay. It's okay. He died. And I'm like, No, did he? Really? Is it true? Christopher Wilder's awful odyssey appears to be over and remains unexplained. So there was this immediate relief of, Okay, you really are safe. Wilder had a long history of sex crimes in Florida and Australia. I was super, super relieved, too, that he couldn't hurt anybody else. And even as young as I was, I was glad that I would not ever have to face him again, in court. We are gratified that the killings will stop. However, our investigations to locate the missing women will continue. The phone rang, and he said, This is the FBI. It is a Mr. Kenyan there, right? And I was like, Yeah, hold on. So I hand him the phone, and I remember that feeling. And I remember the shriek my mom let out when it He came undead.

He told her. With him dying, I think my parents felt as though that was the only person that was going to let them know where Beth was. But local police aren't giving up. Miami detectives hope to find out information from 16-year-old Tina Marie Reseco. Reseco spent more than a week traveling with Wilder. I don't know that she's going to be able to tell us anything, but I wouldn't rest comfortably until I had the chance to speak with her. How did you learn about Tina getting home? I think it was around the same time of learning about him being dead. It solidified the feelings that there was, and I don't want to use this in her detriment, but a relationship. But I was glad that it was also a survivor. Only hours after Wilder died, a suspected accomplice turned up. A teenage woman walking into police headquarters in Torrance, California. She had been seen with Wilder recently in New York. There were other jurisdictions involved, where Dawn was from and Beth Dodge was from. And they insisted that Tina was involved with Wilder and an accomplice. So they were after her. There was mostly men all in suits with their badges on their belts.

They started immediately interrogating me, and without a lawyer present. Okay, so it goes as follow. Tina Marie Risiko, aged was interviewed to determine the circumstances of her abduction by and travel with Christopher Bernard Wilder. Efforts were, therefore, centered on obtaining knowledge and degree of participation in the kidnapping of Dawn and Beth Dodge. I really don't want to read that out loud. Okay. Talking with them, the FBI being interrogated, was really invasive. Being that I was still in this fog, I wasn't in reality yet. It was hard for me to open up about everything and give every little detail. Due to Risiko's actions towards Rael. He began to trust her that she would not attempt to escape because of the punishments that he was giving her. Yeah. Risiko noted that as she wanted to escape from him, she purposely tried to get him to believe he could trust her, which I did. Every little word that was what I said to the women, Why didn't I go away? Why didn't I run away in the car? Why didn't I drive away? Why didn't I do this? I'm like, Why would you? What would you do? What would you do?

This is what I did. And here I am today to tell you about it. I did something right, I think. So you tell me how you do. Okay, I'm not going to talk about that. What? Getting done. You know that it will be part of the documentary? I know, but whatever I said about her before and when I said I was sorry, that's all you guys are going to get from. I'm not going to reread this. Do you think that the way it is described in there is accurate? I forgot about that. Yeah, it's pretty accurate. During our experience, it wasn't a shared experience. It's like she very much was with him, and I very much was the victim. I know things now that I know that she was there involuntarily. She was a victim. But during that experience, experience. It was not at all clear to me. I'm agitated. This is opening up so much for me. It's just like I was really tired of being asked so many questions over and over again and wondering what the hell is going on, realizing, Am I in trouble? It sure felt like it. And that's when my father came in the view.

How did you find out? Over the news media. Have you had a chance to talk with her at all? No. No. It's the first thing you're going to do when you see that daughter. What do you think? I'm going to grab her and hug her and kiss her. Well, I got to get going. Thank you, guys. Okay? Okay. All right. My father was never in my life, and all of a sudden, he's there with the top criminal lawyer at the time in the state of California. Criminal lawyer. Am I being charged for something? It's difficult to come to grips with the fact that Tina played an active role in luring Dawn to the car. She sees Beth Dodge being executed. She's dropped off by Wilder at Logan Airport, and she sits there and doesn't call the police. Flies back to California, heads off to do some shopping. It's very strange behavior. April 14th, 1984. It's Tina's second day home. Let me ask a question first. Are we not live? Is anybody live? Nobody? Great. Captain Popp was my captain at the time, and he was really in charge of the investigation. Well, why don't we start then?

He was very adamant that she was a victim, not a suspect, and contacted the news. It is the opinion of Torrance investigators that Tia Marie Risiko has been a victim throughout the nine days of terror that ended with her safe return to Torrance. I was a child, 16 years old. Captain Popp and Barry Walsh, they were the most caring for me, and all the way through it, I remember I was most securely safe with those two. Please explain for us one of the most bewildering aspects of this story. Here is a girl kidnapped who, according to Lord Dawn, was present during the shooting of another woman, goes shopping before finally coming to police. How do you explain that? It's easy to sit back and second guess when you haven't gone through the ordeal. Secondly, the terms that you've used are very critical, and the term luring in our investigation was not used. Why didn't she call the police? Why he killed others and not her? That's what everyone is wondering. No. Let me put it this way. She was very quick to realize that if she did not comply with his wishes, she would, number one, be tortured, number two, probably be killed.

Why you think She did not tell the stewardess is on a plane or somebody or police immediately before or after the flight. Someone asked me yesterday what's the normal response. My answer to that is I know of no normal response. There's all these expectations on what Tina should have done without understanding who Tina was as a person. She had a really dysfunctional childhood. When you have dysfunctional childhoods, you become old and wise beyond your years as a survival mechanism. We've got the exclusive view behind the table. Every day, right after the show, while the topics are still hot, the ladies go deeper into the moments that make The View, The View. The views behind the Table podcast. Listen wherever you get your podcast. Laine Wilson, now streaming on Hulu. The story you haven't heard. I experienced a lot of heartache. I'm a tough woman. But it's not easy. Laine Wilson. It's taking me a really long time to even get to this moment. And the CMA award for-Enterteener of the tenor of the year. Goes to Laine Wilson. Hey, all. It's Laine. I cannot wait for you to see my special streaming on Hulu. This has been a wild ride, and you'll get to ride alongside me on this journey.

Laney Wilson, Bell Bottom Country, now streaming only on Hulu. Why do you think you survived this experience? When I was a little girl, I just observed and learned that I was being shown at such a young age, be it drugs, sex, or being abused. I was exposed to my mother overdosing on heroine twice. The first time, I remember, I think I was four or three. I remember trying to wake her up, and she was foaming at the mouth and shaking and everything because she was ODine. Somehow, I knew how to call on the phone to my aunt, my mom's sister. Yes, so surviving with my mom was tough. I was exposed to so much at a young age, so many sick men. I had a few family members that had sexually abused me continually till about I was seven years old, from about three to seven. I have lived so much already by the time I was 16. It just came natural for me to absorb this brutality of being controlled. With me, I have Roland Summit is a community psychiatrist at Harbor, UCLA Medical Center in Torrance.Thank you.Thank you. Dr. Summit, what can you say about Wilder?

What you learned from talking to her. I think we can say more about Wilder from what we can see about Wilder than anything he told her. I'm assuming that Wilder's excitement, his rage age against women was stimulated by a woman pleading for her life, a young woman totally unhinged. Along came Tina, who had dealt with victimization from her early childhood, learning to cope and how to survive it. I can imagine that she was different from all the others from the beginning by not acting as if she hoped to live, not asking, but finding ways to be totally compliant on the surface, but to be calculating underneath. Why did I survive? And they didn't. I don't know. It's everyone's question. I never screamed. I never retaliated. I succumbed and was vulnerable to him. I don't like playing games, but it was a game. I'm going to survive in playing this game. She, the captive, captivated the captor. Her in captivating Wilder into seeing her differently, seeing her as somebody who had a life that ought to be saved. He began to develop a respect for the young woman which was not consistent with his need. Jim Popp and I, we wanted to keep this girl who had suddenly appeared out of unimaginable chaos, free from further damaging encounters with a critical world.

April 19, 1984. A psychiatrist who interviewed Tina Marie Risiko last week warned Warned Wednesday that should the 16-year-old torne scroll choose or be pushed into the bright light or public scrutiny, it may destroy her. Tina Marie Risiko may have suffered Stockholm syndrome, which makes hostages identify with their captors. No, I did not care for him in any way, shape, or form. People magazine. Two weeks after I came back did they created this article. People wanted to know me just to hear what I had to say, ask me all kinds of crazy questions like, How come you're not dead? Okay, what led Tina Marie on a trek? What statement is that? Treck, brainwash, accomplice. Yeah, see, I didn't want to see that. What are you thinking? I'm getting upset because it's just constant. All of this? I was a child. I was a minor, and for the media to exploit me, my name, they handled it all wrong from the get-go. That's why I didn't live at home. I moved in with Billy. My grandma's home was just always swarmed with media. It's her mother. Hi. I was looking for Tia Moni's grandmère. She's not here.

But you are her mother, aren't you? I was wondering if he might be able to talk at all. Just for a couple of minutes. I know it's a very difficult time for you. Happy time now. But everybody's been bawling in the face and are anxious to hear how she was so fortunate as to come through this. I guess when she's ready, she's going to let you all know. She usually deals in this big way, I guess so. When she's ready, it'll be shown. Could you just tell me how she's doing? She's beautiful. She's great. She's fantastic. She's doing just fine. She's in heaven right now. Having a good time. She's partying. Well, good for her. Yeah, she's partying. Okay. Thank you very much. Sure. Bye-bye. When I got back home. I was worried about my mom beating my ass for being gone all this time. But that didn't happen. She gave me hugs and kisses. But right back to our disagreements, my mom and I didn't get along all All through my teen years. Were you able to talk with your mom and with your grandma about what you went through? No, never talked about it with them at all.

None of my family members. Just didn't. It wasn't there. And that's how I liked It's a good thing that I was able to get to see that. After coming home, I became very closed off. It's a protective shield, so people couldn't get close to me because everybody wanted a piece of me. All the media wanted a piece of me. Wasn't into exposing myself. She was understandably distant from everybody. I think anyone that went through something like that would be closed off. People would be afraid around me, with how to act, how to talk. Constant to be towing around me. She just was very defensive about who she was and what she was going to reveal to people. I could just tell she's been through too much, and she's not going to talk about anything right now. I, unfortunately, was one of the people who judged her when she got back. I just remember just looking at her and having some empathy for what she went through, but also having so many questions. I said, You seem like you're okay. She got obviously upset. She was screaming. She was, I was tied down. I was electrocuted.

I was raped. She said that. And I wish I can go back to that day and just hug her and say, Thank God you're back. And you got friends in us. And if you need anything, let us know. That's what should have happened. Tina was a victim of destructive public Felicity at that time. Her name was rife, and she was under a burning magnifying glass. It's a collective memory of society toward that story is still a very ambivalent one. I did a lot of suppressing with cocaine and drugs. I guess I wasn't loving myself. I threw all kinds of elaborate parties. And that's how I got through it. Support system of my friends, closest friends, and drugs. A young woman allegedly left for dead by Christopher Wilder is out of the hospital tonight. 16-year-old Dawnette Sue Wilt, recovering from three stab wounds, was released this morning and flew home to Indiana with her parents. When I first got home for those first couple of weeks, everybody wanted to make sure that somebody was overseeing me. But I don't think anybody, and why would they were equipped to help me through. There just wasn't the awareness.

And I was a 16-year-old girl that suffered a ton of trauma. It's like, Okay, you're back home. Life resumes itself. I was back in school within weeks of what happened to me. That car came back, and that was my car, and I drove it. I very much did not want to be defined by that incident. I didn't want people to feel sorry for me. And then it catches up with you. I didn't go away to school because I couldn't even sleep by myself. I think I realized that I had PTSD like when I was 40. I started having panic attacks. There are triggers that just come up, right? That will cause a memory. I think it's just all stored in there. The end to Wilder's murder spree came too late for the family and friends of Beth Dodge, described as a wonderful mother, a Sunday school teacher, and a hard worker. I'm not typically an angry person, but when I hear the name Tina Marie, I get angry, I guess. All I've got is what has been reported. And I understand Tina was in a traumatic experience, and she lived through it. But she's been quiet for a long time.

She's never really said her piece of it. Now, the friends and family of Beth Dodge have the difficult task of telling her four-year-old daughter why mommy is never coming back. I honestly don't know if it was a show or an article throughout the years that shed a little bit of light, but I'm under the impression that Tina's job for him was to approach the other women for the time that he had her. I guess, really, I would just ask for the truth, and I could deal with it any way that it was. Beth Dodge's daughter, Stephanie, so many unanswered questions. Do you recall her mom saying anything or being Any little thing that you remember about Beth? I was in the car the whole time. I didn't expect him to kill her. I thought he would just take her car. No, that was a shock for me. It was just fast. Boom, boom, boom. He approached her with a gun, pushed her in the car, took it over, and I had to immediately follow. Yeah, it was very horrific. I hope I give her closure. I'm sorry your mom's not here. You have to live your life without your mother.

And I guess because I'm so not a tone about this is because I had to be so suppressed at the time with him that still today I'm still in that frame of mind when I have to talk about it because I'm still trapped, compartmentalized in that moment of his jedi mind fuck on me. How did this experience shape who you were? It made me very independent. I was an only child for the most part, and my mom was gone. My dad turned to alcohol after that. So he was a great dad in that he always took care of me, cooked dinner and all that. But at night, when he would come home from work, he'd stay there, and he would just drink until he went to bed. And so I had to grow up. It was just me. It's not just his immediate victims that he affected. We wanted to find our daughter. I don't think I'm ever going to find any way to replace her. I just wanted to know where we in, why he chose her. It's so many more people for such a long period of time. Delta Flight 1187, a nonstop flight from Boston, carrying the body of reputed mass murderer Chris Wilder, landed about seven o'clock tonight at West Palm Beach International.

Minutes later, a casket wrapped in a cardboard shipping box was caught out onto a Delta their Congo living dock and placed in the way waiting hers. Christopher Wilder's death on Friday came just hours after his brother made a private appeal for his surrender. I've got to say that my first personal reaction was that I was happy that he was stopped. This guy, there was not going to be the next night. There wasn't going to be that night, anyone hurt by Chris Wilder. And that's the first thing. Later on, when I had to go in and have a cry. What can you do? He happened to be my brother. With permission from the Wilder family, authorities kept the body at the medical examiners for several hours. Here The plaster cast of Wilder's jaw was made, and a series of photos were taken of the body. While there are several investigations still going on, the plaster cast, the photographs may assist the locals in either pinning Wilder to it or excluding him from being a suspect. For a lot of detectives, Wilder is the white whale case of their careers, the one they couldn't stop. There are the women that we know that he killed And then there are others who keep appearing.

17-year-old Mary O'Pitz vanished in January of 1981. 18-year-old Mary Haire disappeared from the same mall in February of that year. Another disappearance happened in March of this year. 19-year-old Melody Gay. Wilder is probably responsible for upwards of 14 murders across two countries over a period of 20 years. We're in Australia, he might be responsible for the Wanda Beach murders, one of the most notorious crimes in Australia history. Police search Wanda Beach after two teenage girls are found murdered. Fifteen-year-old friends, Maryanne Smith and Christine Sharik, had taken their brothers and sisters for a day out. The pair was last spotted with an unknown teenage boy. A good-looking young bloke, late-teens, early 20s. Sandy blonde hair. At the time, Christopher Wilder was almost 20. They were seen to disappear with that youth into the sand dunes. They'd been sexually assaulted, then stabbed to death. It was an utterly horrific crime. And that Wanda Beach murder prompted, at that point, the biggest manhunt in Australia history. They have semen samples and blood samples that they believe belong to the killer. By the continued response of the people, we will be able to put our finger on the man who has committed this crime.

Sadly, when they went looking for it, when DNA came in, it had been misfiled, and no one's ever been able to find it. So that one bit of evidence that could prove that Christopher Wilder was the killer or wasn't the killer is missing. The case still remains unsolved. You just have to wonder how many other people may be wilder victims. When it comes to winning elections, is it really the economy, stupid? Are soccer moms the quintessential swing voter? And does it matter which candidate you'd rather share a beer with? Every election cycle clichés come easy. But are they right? In a new series on the 538 Politics podcast, we're taking a look back at conventional wisdom from past elections. Where did that wisdom come from? And does it hold up today? Find the campaign throwback series in the 538 Politics feed wherever you get your podcasts. People who disappear without a trace. Where is she? The most notorious murder cases in New York. Pure evil. And the most devious killers. There's a Hannibal lector feel to him. For chilling true crime stories. Follow the True Crime, NYC podcast wherever you listen. The end of Wilder's bloody cross country odyssey has not closed the case.

The FBI is examining the car in which Wilder shot himself. The most significant you can find may be this briefcase containing blood stained tape, a knife, gunholster, passport, $4,900, as well as photographs of several unidentified women, the kind Wilder reportedly enticed with promises of modeling jobs. He had Beth's keys. He had all her personal stuff. The reality sunk in. Probably never going to find out where she's at unless someone else had information. My parents, they were trying to hang on to something that would find Beth. We're just going on a theory that possibly liking Beth so much as he did, that if he really didn't harm her. When my mom passed away, she passed away pretty young, 59. She died of a broken heart. There's a lot of reasons to be hateful towards Christopher Wilder, right? But if I ever feel really angry about him is what he took from our family was the chance to be a family, right? With my kids. So It's sad we never found Rosario Gonzales or Elizabeth Kenyan's body. But poor families have to live with it. And there's no doubt in my mind that he killed other girls.

You got to figure this is not all he did. But I don't know what else more we could have done. You want to be able to feel like you did all you could do. Do you feel like you did? Oh, I do. Yes, I do. And I'm not saying that. I tell you, You got to be able to live with yourself. I have two regrets, getting in the car and taking Dawn. It was a choice. It wasn't mine, but it was a choice, and I have to live with that. While it would not have happened to me if it were not for her, I think she was a victim and did what she felt like she needed to do to stay alive. It's a survival mechanism like we all have. Tina faced possible prosecution for Dawn's abduction. After a thorough investigation, the US attorney's office came to a decision. After redoing our investigation, the United States attorney's office in Buffalo has declined to prosecute Ms. Ressingoli for any of her involvement in the kidnapping of Ms. Wilt in Indiana and her transportation to the Buffalo area. So we had a final decision on her. Are there any specific questions you would want to ask?

Have they had a good life? Because I truly hope they have. I would hope somebody doesn't survive that and then didn't have to live the rest of their years in torture because of it. So I would just... I would ask them if they've had a good life because I hope that somehow, through it all, they found peace. It has not been an easy ride, but there's been some incredible joy and incredible terrible satisfaction. I have two beautiful children that I live for. We have lots of laughs and fun, and some days are hard and some days are amazing. And it is just this journey. And I don't think that time heals all wounds, but time certainly helps you be able to sit here today, right? When I came back, as I mentioned, I was closed off. That was a lot of anger. Heard my grandma all the time, my closest person to me, and I wish I could take that back, but it was because I was dealing with this internally by myself. So I was an introvert. But Lou broke me out of that. A friend, Bruce Abrush, did this for our anniversary, at 8:25.

When we got married, I married Lou, me, in Vegas. Lou was well aware of every detail of my ordeal, and he was so laid back, big heart, that it changed me to become myself, my true self, finally. At 32 years old, I had to become myself then. Three days Hi, Tiana. Hi, Holly. The woman of the hour. I turned myself around, got sober. I'm living my best life now. It's okay. Hi, Sherry. Hi, Buck. Look at you. You're all great. Oh, my God. Hi, Holly. You're not that great. Yes, you are. Hi, baby. I'm so glad you made it. Good to see you. Likewise. Hi. Hi, hello. Hi, Mickey. I have an abundance in my life. I have lots of loving friends. They have been there through thick and thin with me, ups and downs, and I love my friends. I bet you are. It's nice to officially meet you. I love you. I may not see them every day in my life, but that's what good friends are about. It doesn't have to be every day. Sheena, how has this experience been for you? Cathartic. Can you spell that? Not really. I thought it was going to be big words.

Yeah. Yeah. Cathartic, eye-opening. I had forgotten some things or have suppressed them, not really the same difference. And then having to read some things that I forgot that was happened to me that jarred me. I, for one, was always concerned that Tina never talked about it. Yes. And last night, she called me and she told me things that... Yeah. See, I never talked about it with people because it's hard to understand. And you're going to like, Oh, my God, you're out of your mind. How could that have happened? How could you say? How did it happen? So I never talked to any of you about it because I didn't want to have to explain. Do you think that what you went through as an innocent child helped you survive? I mean, do you correlate that? Yes. Oh, the survivor skills kicked in because of how mom brought me up. I've been approached for all these years, many, many times, doing a couple of shows, and it just only focused on him. And then it didn't express who I am. I've never watched, listened, read about anything about this because it was my experience. I had it.

But I do remember somebody saying to me that he had actually did turn around to see if I was still there and alive. I love that he knew that, that he came back for me and I was gone. And so I think this project in particular was compelling for me because this really is a story about survival and the other victims and their families having an opportunity to share who they were as people. They were much more than what happened to them at the end. I hope after this comes out that somebody can find strength from what I've given in my side of the story, my truth. I hope they can gather something from and walk away with inspiration. Don't take shit from nobody. Only you can dictate who you are. This is Deborah Roberts. Christopher Wilder's 1984 spree lasted 47 days. In that time, he's known to have traveled 8,000 miles, kidnapped 12 women, and killed nine of them. The true number of Wilder's victims remains unknown. If you have information about other potential victims of Christopher Wilder, please contact your local police Department. If you are or have been the victim of sexual violence, help is available through RAINN, the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network.

You can call their helpline at 1-800-656-4673. Next week, we're bringing you a bonus episode with more on Christopher Wilder's long history of victimizing women and eluding capture. The Beauty Queen killer, Nine Days of Terror, was produced by Ample Entertainment and 101 for ABC News Studios. It's now streaming on Hulu. And while you're there, you can also find more from 2020. For all new broadcast episodes of 2020, don't forget to join us Friday nights at 9 on ABC. In the 1980s, everyone wanted to be in the Brat Pack, except them. Now, director Andrew McCarthy reunites with fellow Brats. Demi Moore. Why did we take it as an offense? Because we were young. We were afraid we were brats. Amelia Westevez, Ali Sheedy, Rob Lowe. I'm not going to say we were the Beatles or anything. We didn't feel Shay Stadium. 1985? I think we could have. The original documentary, Brats, streaming June 13, only on Hulu.