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This is the interrogation Tapes, a special limited run series produced by ABC News Studios in partnership with 2020. I'm Deborah Roberts, co anchor of 2020. We've arrived at episode five, Mystery on the Hudson. When a man dies in a kayaking accident, was it an accidental drowning or something more sinister? Take a listen.

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I was sitting in the barracks. I was working. I was assigned to state police, Montgomery Barracks, I believe it was at three to eleven shift pm. And we monitor all the fire rescue calls could take on water while another person's doesn't. She asked if she could smoke a cigarette. I said, absolutely. I said, but what we're going to have to do is we're going to have to go back to the barracks now and sit in an interview room. We're going to have know, the answer I'm looking for. Really?By the time that the second investigator came in, that's maybe when it started to be like, wait a minute, what's going on here?Where's the plug to this guy? Okay. Spoke about when you went kayaking. When do you make the decision, I'm going to take that plug out of the sky. When do you physically take that out of the sky?Well, I took it out when it said it.The plug. For whatever reason, that's what they honed on.The reality is, you take that plug out in advance and you're monitored already. You made that choice. You've made that decision. I want getting out of my life.They focused on the plug being the piece of evidence that was the start of this event that caused him to die.When did you take the plug out? Do you remember? When did you take it out? Did you take it out on Saturday because you knew he might go kayaking out someday?The length of the interrogation really does have an impact on the what tactics interrogators use. And so frustration builds, and you might end up with a suspect that becomes more resistant because they're frustrated. But you also end up potentially with investigators who become frustrated and use some more accusatorial kinds of approaches.The reality is, you took that plug out because you wanted to kill him. You wanted him to be dead.While you're supposed to keep the plug in during use, the plug itself is not meant to stop the kayak from taking on water. In fact, according to the kayak manual, its purpose is to drain the water that comes in through the hull after use.You talk for a long time, you put all your feelings and emotions on the table, but yet you couple hours and a few hours, I'm going to be free, I'm going to be unburdened?Well, they kept asking me the same questions, like, a hundred times. And I. I knew that I was innocent. I just told them what they wanted to hear. Yeah. So my breaking point, I just. I had it.By taking that plug out, you killed Denny. Correct? Correct. And you wanted that to happen. Correct. And you feel happy and relieved that it happened, that he's of how Angelica was acting, her demeanor.Interrogation tapes can really affect how juries then see the interrogation happening. You can always create a story around whatever story you want to spin.So when the public sees something and they themselves are saying, that just doesn't sound or seem right. But if they only get a snippet, they only may get a snippet of something that was much greater. So if they only show one portion of it, that's all that the public sees. Then the opinions vary.To me, she knows exactly why this happened. So for them to take a play, it was a win for them.Angelica is so grateful, and to be here today, she's grateful for this day. She's excited to be able to reconnect with her family.So after serving over two and a half years behind bars, she was actually released for time served.It's still unnerving to be able to talk about it, because I can't talk about it without tears.This case is really problematic for the families and justice in general. This is a woman that was very close to him, and the idea that she could have had something to do with his death, I think is even more traumatic to their family than the idea that he died in an accident.I don't know if she's a killer. Maybe that would be the terminal, but I feel she was responsible. I don't know if she planned it or what she actually did. I don't know if I will ever know. But I believe something did happen. I'm sorry for the pain that they have gone through and they're still going through. I wish I could change that. But it's not in my power to change that. I wish he was still alive. I wish it was different.The interrogation tapes was produced by ABC News Studios in partnership with 2020. You can find the series on Hulu next week. We'll bring you our final episode, stranger than fiction, about a false confession and a long quest to find the real killer.

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could take on water while another person's doesn't. She asked if she could smoke a cigarette. I said, absolutely. I said, but what we're going to have to do is we're going to have to go back to the barracks now and sit in an interview room. We're going to have know, the answer I'm looking for. Really?By the time that the second investigator came in, that's maybe when it started to be like, wait a minute, what's going on here?Where's the plug to this guy? Okay. Spoke about when you went kayaking. When do you make the decision, I'm going to take that plug out of the sky. When do you physically take that out of the sky?Well, I took it out when it said it.The plug. For whatever reason, that's what they honed on.The reality is, you take that plug out in advance and you're monitored already. You made that choice. You've made that decision. I want getting out of my life.They focused on the plug being the piece of evidence that was the start of this event that caused him to die.When did you take the plug out? Do you remember? When did you take it out? Did you take it out on Saturday because you knew he might go kayaking out someday?The length of the interrogation really does have an impact on the what tactics interrogators use. And so frustration builds, and you might end up with a suspect that becomes more resistant because they're frustrated. But you also end up potentially with investigators who become frustrated and use some more accusatorial kinds of approaches.The reality is, you took that plug out because you wanted to kill him. You wanted him to be dead.While you're supposed to keep the plug in during use, the plug itself is not meant to stop the kayak from taking on water. In fact, according to the kayak manual, its purpose is to drain the water that comes in through the hull after use.You talk for a long time, you put all your feelings and emotions on the table, but yet you couple hours and a few hours, I'm going to be free, I'm going to be unburdened?Well, they kept asking me the same questions, like, a hundred times. And I. I knew that I was innocent. I just told them what they wanted to hear. Yeah. So my breaking point, I just. I had it.By taking that plug out, you killed Denny. Correct? Correct. And you wanted that to happen. Correct. And you feel happy and relieved that it happened, that he's of how Angelica was acting, her demeanor.Interrogation tapes can really affect how juries then see the interrogation happening. You can always create a story around whatever story you want to spin.So when the public sees something and they themselves are saying, that just doesn't sound or seem right. But if they only get a snippet, they only may get a snippet of something that was much greater. So if they only show one portion of it, that's all that the public sees. Then the opinions vary.To me, she knows exactly why this happened. So for them to take a play, it was a win for them.Angelica is so grateful, and to be here today, she's grateful for this day. She's excited to be able to reconnect with her family.So after serving over two and a half years behind bars, she was actually released for time served.It's still unnerving to be able to talk about it, because I can't talk about it without tears.This case is really problematic for the families and justice in general. This is a woman that was very close to him, and the idea that she could have had something to do with his death, I think is even more traumatic to their family than the idea that he died in an accident.I don't know if she's a killer. Maybe that would be the terminal, but I feel she was responsible. I don't know if she planned it or what she actually did. I don't know if I will ever know. But I believe something did happen. I'm sorry for the pain that they have gone through and they're still going through. I wish I could change that. But it's not in my power to change that. I wish he was still alive. I wish it was different.The interrogation tapes was produced by ABC News Studios in partnership with 2020. You can find the series on Hulu next week. We'll bring you our final episode, stranger than fiction, about a false confession and a long quest to find the real killer.

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know, the answer I'm looking for. Really?

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By the time that the second investigator came in, that's maybe when it started to be like, wait a minute, what's going on here?

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Where's the plug to this guy? Okay. Spoke about when you went kayaking. When do you make the decision, I'm going to take that plug out of the sky. When do you physically take that out of the sky?

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Well, I took it out when it said it.

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The plug. For whatever reason, that's what they honed on.

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The reality is, you take that plug out in advance and you're monitored already. You made that choice. You've made that decision. I want getting out of my life.

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They focused on the plug being the piece of evidence that was the start of this event that caused him to die.

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When did you take the plug out? Do you remember? When did you take it out? Did you take it out on Saturday because you knew he might go kayaking out someday?

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The length of the interrogation really does have an impact on the what tactics interrogators use. And so frustration builds, and you might end up with a suspect that becomes more resistant because they're frustrated. But you also end up potentially with investigators who become frustrated and use some more accusatorial kinds of approaches.

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The reality is, you took that plug out because you wanted to kill him. You wanted him to be dead.

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While you're supposed to keep the plug in during use, the plug itself is not meant to stop the kayak from taking on water. In fact, according to the kayak manual, its purpose is to drain the water that comes in through the hull after use.

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You talk for a long time, you put all your feelings and emotions on the table, but yet you couple hours and a few hours, I'm going to be free, I'm going to be unburdened?Well, they kept asking me the same questions, like, a hundred times. And I. I knew that I was innocent. I just told them what they wanted to hear. Yeah. So my breaking point, I just. I had it.By taking that plug out, you killed Denny. Correct? Correct. And you wanted that to happen. Correct. And you feel happy and relieved that it happened, that he's of how Angelica was acting, her demeanor.Interrogation tapes can really affect how juries then see the interrogation happening. You can always create a story around whatever story you want to spin.So when the public sees something and they themselves are saying, that just doesn't sound or seem right. But if they only get a snippet, they only may get a snippet of something that was much greater. So if they only show one portion of it, that's all that the public sees. Then the opinions vary.To me, she knows exactly why this happened. So for them to take a play, it was a win for them.Angelica is so grateful, and to be here today, she's grateful for this day. She's excited to be able to reconnect with her family.So after serving over two and a half years behind bars, she was actually released for time served.It's still unnerving to be able to talk about it, because I can't talk about it without tears.This case is really problematic for the families and justice in general. This is a woman that was very close to him, and the idea that she could have had something to do with his death, I think is even more traumatic to their family than the idea that he died in an accident.I don't know if she's a killer. Maybe that would be the terminal, but I feel she was responsible. I don't know if she planned it or what she actually did. I don't know if I will ever know. But I believe something did happen. I'm sorry for the pain that they have gone through and they're still going through. I wish I could change that. But it's not in my power to change that. I wish he was still alive. I wish it was different.The interrogation tapes was produced by ABC News Studios in partnership with 2020. You can find the series on Hulu next week. We'll bring you our final episode, stranger than fiction, about a false confession and a long quest to find the real killer.

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couple hours and a few hours, I'm going to be free, I'm going to be unburdened?

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Well, they kept asking me the same questions, like, a hundred times. And I. I knew that I was innocent. I just told them what they wanted to hear. Yeah. So my breaking point, I just. I had it.

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By taking that plug out, you killed Denny. Correct? Correct. And you wanted that to happen. Correct. And you feel happy and relieved that it happened, that he's of how Angelica was acting, her demeanor.Interrogation tapes can really affect how juries then see the interrogation happening. You can always create a story around whatever story you want to spin.So when the public sees something and they themselves are saying, that just doesn't sound or seem right. But if they only get a snippet, they only may get a snippet of something that was much greater. So if they only show one portion of it, that's all that the public sees. Then the opinions vary.To me, she knows exactly why this happened. So for them to take a play, it was a win for them.Angelica is so grateful, and to be here today, she's grateful for this day. She's excited to be able to reconnect with her family.So after serving over two and a half years behind bars, she was actually released for time served.It's still unnerving to be able to talk about it, because I can't talk about it without tears.This case is really problematic for the families and justice in general. This is a woman that was very close to him, and the idea that she could have had something to do with his death, I think is even more traumatic to their family than the idea that he died in an accident.I don't know if she's a killer. Maybe that would be the terminal, but I feel she was responsible. I don't know if she planned it or what she actually did. I don't know if I will ever know. But I believe something did happen. I'm sorry for the pain that they have gone through and they're still going through. I wish I could change that. But it's not in my power to change that. I wish he was still alive. I wish it was different.The interrogation tapes was produced by ABC News Studios in partnership with 2020. You can find the series on Hulu next week. We'll bring you our final episode, stranger than fiction, about a false confession and a long quest to find the real killer.

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of how Angelica was acting, her demeanor.

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Interrogation tapes can really affect how juries then see the interrogation happening. You can always create a story around whatever story you want to spin.

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So when the public sees something and they themselves are saying, that just doesn't sound or seem right. But if they only get a snippet, they only may get a snippet of something that was much greater. So if they only show one portion of it, that's all that the public sees. Then the opinions vary.

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To me, she knows exactly why this happened. So for them to take a play, it was a win for them.

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Angelica is so grateful, and to be here today, she's grateful for this day. She's excited to be able to reconnect with her family.

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So after serving over two and a half years behind bars, she was actually released for time served.

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It's still unnerving to be able to talk about it, because I can't talk about it without tears.

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This case is really problematic for the families and justice in general. This is a woman that was very close to him, and the idea that she could have had something to do with his death, I think is even more traumatic to their family than the idea that he died in an accident.

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I don't know if she's a killer. Maybe that would be the terminal, but I feel she was responsible. I don't know if she planned it or what she actually did. I don't know if I will ever know. But I believe something did happen. I'm sorry for the pain that they have gone through and they're still going through. I wish I could change that. But it's not in my power to change that. I wish he was still alive. I wish it was different.

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The interrogation tapes was produced by ABC News Studios in partnership with 2020. You can find the series on Hulu next week. We'll bring you our final episode, stranger than fiction, about a false confession and a long quest to find the real killer.