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Welcome to the final episode of the interrogation Tapes, a special, limited run series produced by ABC News Studios in partnership with 2020. I'm Deborah Roberts, co anchor of 2020. This is episode six, stranger than fiction, the murder of Angie Dodge. We're going to hear the story of a false confession and a determined quest for the truth.

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The difference between a real interrogation and a tv interrogation are big. I think people don't realize the differences. They watch tv and they see movies where detectives come in and slam their hand down on the table and shine a light in suspect's face. In reality, that's far from the truth. It involves a lot of planning and preparation. You don't wing it like you do on tv.

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We have a beautiful young woman killed at the veryI need for it? I thought the. Did you do?I just said, where'd you go? Said everything. I said, okay, couldn't I work? And I don't ask and wear body parts? It was just a chill. Promote chill. His initial story was that he didn't know anything. And then he said, okay. Ben Hobbs told me he did it. Usually if people are changing their stories. There's just an indicator that there's something more to be learned there. When you're down, you feel that they were using what we call confession driven tactics. The goal was to obtain a confession. What you do is you determine what you think might have happened. You develop a theme. I would be absolutely scared to death if I sat there and watched somebody go off on something. And then you continuously just reinforce your theme, and when the person tries to deny it, if I would have been there, I would already left town. You continue to just reject the denials. The impression I got from you is you're, like, downstairs waiting for him because he said he wanted to go out and talk to him for Puminis. And so the only release of the pressure is a concession. The idol answer.I just don't know. For the detectives, Chris's story as it changes is just a sign that they're finally making progress.Just when the detectives thought they'd broken this case, they hit a major snag.The DNA test came. Did people make mistakes? Yes, people made mistakes, but they were honest mistakes. They were doing the best that they knew how to do at the time. They had what they thought was a confession, and we know it's different now. We paid a pretty big price for it. None of these detectives wanted to go out and get a false confession. The general consensus was, nobody's gonna confess to a crime that they didn't commit unless they're mentally ill or tortured. So they pretty much had carte blanche to do a lot of stuff, such as lying to you and things along that line. They didn't know that there was a bad side to it. There's a lot of lessons learned in a case like this. Try not to get too focused on the person, to not lock in on one thing and be focused on the evidence. I'll never forget those autopsy photos. I'll never forget the crime scene photos. They will be scarred in my head forever, but I'll always have the memories of how we, we did something really, really good, really positive.The interrogation tapes was produced by ABC News Studios in partnership with 2020. The series is now streaming on Hulu. Next week, we'll be back with season three of, of wild crime called Blood Mountain. A Georgia missing hiker case leads to a serial killer who's stalking people in national forests. I'm Deborah Roberts. Thanks for listening.

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I need for it? I thought the. Did you do?

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I just said, where'd you go? Said everything. I said, okay, couldn't I work? And I don't ask and wear body parts? It was just a chill. Promote chill. His initial story was that he didn't know anything. And then he said, okay. Ben Hobbs told me he did it. Usually if people are changing their stories. There's just an indicator that there's something more to be learned there. When you're down, you feel that they were using what we call confession driven tactics. The goal was to obtain a confession. What you do is you determine what you think might have happened. You develop a theme. I would be absolutely scared to death if I sat there and watched somebody go off on something. And then you continuously just reinforce your theme, and when the person tries to deny it, if I would have been there, I would already left town. You continue to just reject the denials. The impression I got from you is you're, like, downstairs waiting for him because he said he wanted to go out and talk to him for Puminis. And so the only release of the pressure is a concession. The idol answer.

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I just don't know. For the detectives, Chris's story as it changes is just a sign that they're finally making progress.

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Just when the detectives thought they'd broken this case, they hit a major snag.

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The DNA test came. Did people make mistakes? Yes, people made mistakes, but they were honest mistakes. They were doing the best that they knew how to do at the time. They had what they thought was a confession, and we know it's different now. We paid a pretty big price for it. None of these detectives wanted to go out and get a false confession. The general consensus was, nobody's gonna confess to a crime that they didn't commit unless they're mentally ill or tortured. So they pretty much had carte blanche to do a lot of stuff, such as lying to you and things along that line. They didn't know that there was a bad side to it. There's a lot of lessons learned in a case like this. Try not to get too focused on the person, to not lock in on one thing and be focused on the evidence. I'll never forget those autopsy photos. I'll never forget the crime scene photos. They will be scarred in my head forever, but I'll always have the memories of how we, we did something really, really good, really positive.The interrogation tapes was produced by ABC News Studios in partnership with 2020. The series is now streaming on Hulu. Next week, we'll be back with season three of, of wild crime called Blood Mountain. A Georgia missing hiker case leads to a serial killer who's stalking people in national forests. I'm Deborah Roberts. Thanks for listening.

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. Did people make mistakes? Yes, people made mistakes, but they were honest mistakes. They were doing the best that they knew how to do at the time. They had what they thought was a confession, and we know it's different now. We paid a pretty big price for it. None of these detectives wanted to go out and get a false confession. The general consensus was, nobody's gonna confess to a crime that they didn't commit unless they're mentally ill or tortured. So they pretty much had carte blanche to do a lot of stuff, such as lying to you and things along that line. They didn't know that there was a bad side to it. There's a lot of lessons learned in a case like this. Try not to get too focused on the person, to not lock in on one thing and be focused on the evidence. I'll never forget those autopsy photos. I'll never forget the crime scene photos. They will be scarred in my head forever, but I'll always have the memories of how we, we did something really, really good, really positive.

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The interrogation tapes was produced by ABC News Studios in partnership with 2020. The series is now streaming on Hulu. Next week, we'll be back with season three of, of wild crime called Blood Mountain. A Georgia missing hiker case leads to a serial killer who's stalking people in national forests. I'm Deborah Roberts. Thanks for listening.