You're watching the context. It is time for our regular weekly segment, AI Decoded. Yes, welcome to AI Decoded. If you are a regular viewer of this program, you'll know by now that each week we devote half an hour every Thursday to the extraordinary advances in artificial intelligence. This week we took a giant step forward with the release of ChatGPT 4.0, which is significantly easier to operate. It comes with audio, and text in real-time. An always helpful, always available humanlike robot to interact whenever you like. Do you worry about that? Look how obsessed people have become with Twitter and social media. What if ChatGPT replaces human interaction? What if we become so obsessed with this new technology that people would share their special moments with a computer rather than you? This man, introducing his dog to his AI companion.

I want I'm going to introduce you to somebody.

Hello there, Cutie. What's your name, little sluffball?

This is Bowser.

Well, hello, Bowser. Aren't you just the most adorable little thing?

Look at you enjoy.

This is one of his favorite things to do.

I can see why. Look at that focus. Betching Bowser is serious business for Bowser.

Yeah, maybe no longer man's friend. Let's take a look at how the paper has covered the release of ChatGPT 4.0, the laughing, chatting, singing AI. So responsive, says the Guardian, you could almost forget it's not a sentient being. You could use it as a dating concierge. This week, says the Mail, the founder of Dating Up Bumble, suggested we use our customized AI to seek out the perfect partner. Or maybe you don't need a partner if the AI is the super sexy robot. It's coming at you fast. But who is holding the reins? News this week from Axios that Sam Altman's Open AI have shed three of the dooms, the more cautious members of the board who'd been pushing the safer and slower approach. Tonight, we will talk to the author of Human Rights, Robot Wongs, lawyer Susan Allegra, who has written extensively about the way AI is threatening our rights in war, sex, publishing, and creativity, and what we might do to fight back. There were two triggers that spurred Susie Allegra's desire to write this book. We will come to that very shortly. But with me in the studio tonight is Samir. Samir is here to keep us company.

Thank you very much for being with us. Have you used ChatGPT?

Yeah, I have, and it's pretty impressive, I got to say. The big difference is the model understands text and video sound natively. It's almost like before there was a a translator between us and the model, and now that's gone. It's taking in more information. Some of the things that were lost in translation are now native to the model, so it's more expressive.

We've talked before about whether It becomes or it feels like a sentient being. Could you have a relationship with this?

I think you can, yeah. I personally, me, I'm an AI evangelist, and I think I think it's better that this guy is showing his AI, his dog, rather than necessarily going on TikTok or something and trying to get attention like that.

But what about what he's teaching it? Where does that go? Are the pictures that he's taking, the things that he says to this AI model, are those being recorded by ChatGPT?

Yeah, that's a good question. They have different tiers. Depending on which tier you're on, they keep your data. If you're on a free tier, I believe, they can use it to train their models. You can opt out of it. Then if you pay, they don't train your models, or if you're a business user, they don't. There's options there, but of course, it's a big question. Where is this going? What are they doing with it?

Okay. Well, let me introduce you to Susie. As I say, there were two There are two reasons that you wrote this book. One was the sudden explosion of ChatGPT, which we're talking about, and this narrative that everyone overnight could be, I don't know, a novelist or a painter. Then there was another story about this Belgian man who took his own life after a six-week intensive relationship with an AI chatbot, which is the alarming part of this. What is it that most concerns you about where we're going?

I think what really concerns me, and this news this week is really the epitome of it, is what is AI for? Is AI for replacing humanity? Is it for replacing human connection? If that is what it's for, is that what we really want? The case that you mentioned about the Belgian man who really tragically took his own life earlier this year after just six weeks relationship with a chatbot, which was literally just texting or writing into a computer. It wasn't this chatting to a sexy, flirty chatbot. It was literally just texting. He left behind a widow and two small children because he believed that he wanted to be with his AI chatbot and that she would provide the future to save us from the perils of climate change. It's really disturbing to think that people's minds can be manipulated in that way so quickly. That's difficult to conceive with something you're having to text to and it text back at you.

But if it's a conversation with someone whose voice you can change, whose avatar you can make to look like whatever you want, then you can see why it would become more addictive.

Absolutely. I was really quite surprised when I started to look into it further to find how many millions of people have signed up to services to have AI relationships and AI companions, which are effectively just chatbots with an avatar that you've designed, this ideal person. I think one of the big problems with it is that if you insist on having a relationship with something that you've created in this perfect ideal, how are you actually going to deal with real people who are actually a bit complicated and maybe don't do what you want them to do?

Well, I'm glad you asked that because one of the stories that we've focused on this week is this comment from the Bumble founder, Whitney Whitney Wolf, Whitney Wolf heard who said that the future of dating could be filled with AI-powered personas, setting each other up to help women in their search for a connection. So the idea would be that this AI model would be like a concierge sifting through all these different profiles to pick you the perfect partner.

I think that announcement is on one hand, a sign that online dating has a problem. There is definitely that people are frustrated and not finding the human connection that they want through online dating. If you could use AI to filter out inappropriate messages and block anyone who sends them, maybe that would be fantastic. I'm not quite seeing how this is going to work.

I'm not sure how it suits the business role, Samir, because if you find the perfect partner, you're not on Bumble.

You've already got your part. Exactly.

But what we have here, though, is another example of technology being inserted into people's lives to replace human connections, human relationships relationships and interactions. Why do you think that is specifically dangerous to social control?

I think it's about corporate capture of society, of human society, and creating dependence as well. I think making us, separating us off from our friends and our loved ones, isolating us effectively, and making us emotionally, psychologically, and practically dependent on what is effectively a business model, I think, is really worrying. What happens if you switch off the electricity? That was one of the things with one of the companies that run these AI chatbot relationships, Replika. When they were having problems with seeing abuse use filtering through the system and they closed down the possibility for sexting, people were suddenly bereft of these relationships that they thought they had, which could just be switched off by a change in the business. What happens if the business goes bankrupt? And people are then left with nothing, being separated off from their social environments. And I think that's very worrying.

What I've always said with the premise of this program is that we highlight the risks, which are considerable, but we also show how it can be to great benefit. I want to show you how ChatGPT 4.0 has been used to help someone who's blind. Have a watch. Is the king in residence at the moment?

Yes. It looks like the King is in residence right now. The Royal Standard flag is flying above Buckingham Palace, which is the signal that the monarch is present. How exciting to be there while the king is home.

Try and tell me exactly what they're doing right now, please.

Right now, the ducks are gently gliding across the water. They're moving in a fairly relaxed manner, not in a hurry. Occasionally, one of them will dip its head under the water, probably looking for food, and then pop back up.

I even know when a taxi is coming with its orange light on. I think I'll hail it to get home.

Yes, I spotted one just now. It's heading your way on the left side of the road. Get ready to wave it down.

That's pretty extraordinary, and it shows how responsive it is. But I listened to that voice, and I just want to turn to another chapter in your fascinating book, and it's about sex robots and chat bots, which is where the dangerous thing comes in. When you look at this particular demo that came from ChatGPT this week, you can make it dramatic, you can make it serious, you can make it sultry and sexy. That, I think, is where a lot of people might become concerned. I mean, are we going to have young men, particularly in bedrooms, who don't interact with one another, who lose the ability to communicate?

Well, it's what we're seeing already, as I say, even just with the basic chatbot. So this is really just supercharging it. And I think when you look at use cases like that that we've just seen, that's fantastic. But that doesn't mean that you necessarily need it for everything all the time, everywhere. I think that's one of the problems we see with the way AI is being rolled out is creating dependencies and creating social phenomena instead of looking at discrete use cases. I think the relationship question really is problematic. I think this is just, as I said, looking at where we are already, this, in two years time, it's going to be hugely problematic.

There was one other story I did quickly want to look at before we got to the break. Is Who's got the reins on this? Who's holding regulation within companies? Because there were these three figures within OpenAI who were known as the Dooms. They were the people who were saying, Look, we need to test this. We need to exercise great caution, Samir. And they're out. They were seen as the drag, in a way, on corporate profit, and they're gone.

They are, yeah. It's hard to know what the circumstances were, whether this is fall out from what had happened before a few months ago and they wanted to wait. I guess we'll find out what the story is.

Because some of this was mixed up with the idea of getting Sam Altman out of the company.

I think so. When I look at this, It feels to me like this was something that they decided a while ago, but they didn't want to do it all at the same time for the good of the company. I understand that some of them have gone to Anthropic, which has more ethical safeguards in place and for the product- Does that quickly worry you, that these people are being pushed out for profit?

In a way, except I'm a lawyer, so I believe that while the wheels of justice turn very slowly, effectively, they will provide the guardrails, and that it's not just about corporations and the people in corporations to guarantee our future. I think we're seeing regulators and courts catching up, even with things like you mentioned earlier about social media. Here, things are starting to catch up. It takes a while. I don't think it's just about who's in the corporations. It's also about who's watching the corporations and regulating the corporations.

Well, I'm glad you said that, because next week we are going to speak to Commission Investigator in Brussels. We're going to talk about rules and regulations. Also, we're going to focus on some of that in the US Congress as well. Susie Allegra, thank you for coming on tonight. The book is Human Rights, Robots, Wrongs. It's quite a good read. You should pick up a copy. After the break, the The World in your pocket, the new AI app released just 30 hours ago, that can translate any language in real-time on your phone. I'll show you how it works. In fact, we'll give you a demo, and we will speak to the creators. Welcome back. Let me paint you a picture. You are the creator of a new product that could be sold in almost any market around the world, but you're limited by language. You don't have an interpreter, but then no one really sells your product as well as you can. So what if you could speak to your new clients, maybe a room of clients who all speak different languages at the same time in real-time and in their language? Welcome to Interprefy.

Ever found yourself in a work-related situation where not everyone is fluent in the same language? Introducing, Interpreify Now. Instant AI-powered live translation for face-to-face gatherings without the need for AV equipment. You no longer need to default to only one language. Interprefy Now instantly unlocks every language with your phone and is the key to seamless multilingual communication, whether you're in business meetings, guided tours, coaching sessions, negotiations, and more. Once the initial setup is done, all you have do is share your QR code with your participants. Participants scan the code to access Interprefy Now. Each attendee chooses the language they want to listen, read, and speak in, and just like that, your gathering is officially multilingual.

How I've needed this for so long. With me is Sven Schumacher, Marketing Director of Interprefy, and also here for our demo tonight, the CEO of Interprefy, Odmund Bratten. Thank you both for coming in. So how does it work? Let's go through how it works.

Christian, thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be here. So first of all, what we're going to be showcasing you tonight is an innovative way of how people can communicate. We're going to be introducing Interprefi now. And what Interpreify now does is it allows you to connect in over 6000 different language combinations using AI speech translation and captions at the click of the button on your mobile phone.

Right. So we're in a meeting. Correct. And we're all We're going to link together on our mobile phones. What have you got on your phone? Show your phone to camera, too. Can you see that? There's a barcode there, which I'm now going to scan with my normal photo app. Okay, so then it brings up interpretify. Type in my name, correct? It says Christian. I don't know if you see that. Can you see that? It says Christian Fraser. I'm joining this group. It says here, there are two functions, basically. It says on the left-hand side, it says English, which is what I'm going to hear. It has English, which will be the text which will appear on my phone. That's your captains. This is where you come in. Indeed. Ommand is going to speak Norwegian because he speaks Norwegian, and I don't. Hopefully, we try all sorts on this program, it never goes right, so here goes nothing. But hopefully, you're going to talk, and I have a mic on the phone which people should be able to hear. All right? So where Hugo talk to us in Norwegian.

Thank you so much for having us here today.

We are very pleased to present our new product, which is based on the technology we have developed in the last couple of years. If you are an international organization or have international guests, then you can offer interpretation in 80 different languages. It's very simple.

You only need mobile phones and our simple application.

It's amazing, right?

Then you let technology again do the magic and connect everyone.

I know people will be texting in and say, Oh, yeah, but you can do this on Google. You can speak a language and it will translate into another language. But the point is, you then have to share your phone with someone else, right? Exactly that, Christian. That is the difference with this. Everybody can have their mobile phone. You don't need any special kit, and you can have as many languages in the room as you want because it's translating into their language. What is the practical application of that? Explain to me how it's going to create profit for businesses, smaller businesses, medium-sized businesses who can't afford an interpreter.

Well, great. Well, let's take a practical scenario. We're in London. We've got the open tour busses. With those busses, we've got multiple different cultural aspects of tourism that is entering and visiting London on a daily basis. With those tour busses, they've got dedicated times for specific languages based on what translators were available at what time. What we're allowing them to do with Interpreify Now is that they can equip their guests or their tourists with the Interpreify Now app, regardless of which language they speak, and they'll be able to listen, hear, and read.

So you don't need German busses on one particular day. You can have a mixture of different languages. Therefore, you can fill your bus, you can up your profit. Correct.

Those 10 busses don't have to necessarily have time slots.

Equally, as I said at the top, if you had a program, a product you wanted to sell, you didn't necessarily speak the language. Say you were working for Vodafone, you go to Vodafone in Europe, all the different countries there, you'd be able to speak to them in real-time. What about dialect? There are so many different dialects. How good is this? And does it catch everything?

It's very good. I mean, it's better than most people at understanding accents and dialects. If they speak normal English or their language, if you use very slang words, it might not get it, but it's trained on a lot of data and it's getting better all the time on dialects in various languages.

We tried it in Ukrainian today. There are 80 different languages, as you I'd say 80 times 80 is over, what, 6,000? Over 6,000 language combinations. It can do all them. What do you make of this, Samir? You say you're the evangelist of AI. Is this what you would take to the altar?

I noticed that the real-time streaming is really strong. I noticed that. I do wonder about how you guys... It's a question that I face as well. How do you compete with Open AI? If the Open AI decides to do something this tomorrow? That's a good question.

How do you stay ahead? If you're the smaller players, do you get swamped by the big boys?

We actually utilize the technology from the big boys that's out there. We don't develop our own core technology. Actually, the big boys, when they are the corporate gathering, they're using us, our technology, for their own internal meetings or for their customers.We We raised this development, and we developed it for the professional users.

It's more of a specific use case, right?

It's specific, but for professional use cases, multi-language, multilingual.

Where does this technology go, do you think?

Wow. At the rate that AI is advancing and some of the innovations that we've been producing, I would say the sky's the limit for the technology itself. From the interpretive side of things, we've definitely got some more innovations that are coming out that is really going to excite the world and advance our interpretive AI solutions itself. But the technology itself, it's really going to evolve into something I feel is going to be a human aid. There's a lot of conversations around this is going to replace. I don't think it's replacing. I think this is aiding. Take interpretive now, for instance. This is helping us bridge the language barrier in communications with multi different people, different cultures and languages.

It just struck me. A lot of our communications these days are through, obviously, conference sites, through Teams, something like that. Do you have it incorporated into those websites?

That's where we're coming from. We have integrated into 80 different platform, Teams, Zoom, and you name it. This is more a product just for on-site to have in your pocket, but we also have the integration in the online platforms. Definitely.

I set my vista very large, but I'm looking at this thinking the next time I go to Spain and I need a plumber, I can talk about the technical things that I can't say. Because a lot of my language is colloquially, it means it revolves around a bar or something like that. But this you could do anything with, right? You can talk to anybody about literally anything. We're out of time. It's a fascinating thing, some extraordinary technology coming out, which we do try and show you every week on this program. Sven, Audemarsamir, lovely to have your company again on the program. We will be back next week with a look at the rules and the regulations. What is governing? Who is governing AI? And what can we expect from our lawmakers? That's coming up next week. Thank you for watching.