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Back in '96, Atlanta was booming with excitement around hosting the Centennial Olympic Games. And then, a deranged zealet willing to kill for a cause lit a fuse that would change my life and so many others forever, rippling out for generations. Listen to Flash Point on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Well, Bowen, the Olympics are underway. It's useless to talk about it as a thing that's happening in the future when it's happening in the present. And what's happening now is our podcast, Two Guys, Five Rings, is a phenomenon. Two Guys, Five Rings, Matt Bowen and the Olympics. Follow the show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or your favorite podcast platform, and watch and listen to every moment of the 2024 Paris Olympic Games now through August 11th on NBC and Peacock. And for the first time ever, on the iHeartRadio app.

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Welcome to Good Game with Sara Spain, your one-stop shop for the biggest stories in women's sports. Every day, I'm bringing you the stakes, stars, stats, and stories to keep you up to date. Good Game is where we go to celebrate, debate, and dissect the teamwork, competition, and rivalries that we love to watch. Join us. Let's have some fun. Listen to Good Game with Sara Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Presented by Elfbeauty, founding partner of iHeartWomenSports.

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Hi, it's Andrea Gunning. Thanks for tuning in to our first three Seasons of Betrayal. These stories have inspired so many of you to share your own experiences with us. We knew we had to find a way to bring more of your stories to the podcast feed, and now we are. Every Thursday, we'll be releasing new extraordinary episodes. These are firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind. And these are stories you've never heard before.

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And I'm like, What? No, this isn't real. What's going on? Who are you really? I said, I can't believe what I'm listening to. I was like, Where is the baby? What's happening?

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From unbelievable romantic betrials, the love that was so real for me was always just a game for him, to betrials in your own family. When I think about my dad, oh, well, he is a sociopath.

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He is a criminal.

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Financial betrayals.

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So this is like the beginning of it. This is not even the part where he stills millions of dollars, right?

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Even life or death deceptions.

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She's practicing how she's going to cry when the police calls her after they kill me.

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The people we trust the most.

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He was caring and loving and genuine with his wife and his child and his patients.

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The people we least expect.

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And he was a psychopath.

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These are cautionary tales, stories of romance, family, and business gone horribly wrong. But they're also survival stories, stories of resilience after losing the thing we all depend on. Trust.

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My story was true, even if his wasn't, mine was.

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Now, here's a sneak peek of our first episode. This is Stephanie's story. Her marriage came crashing down in an instant when she discovered the sinister truth about her husband, a dark secret he had hidden for 22 years.

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We got married in 1998. It was a second marriage for both of us. I came with four boys. He had a boy and a girl. Our kids were already friends and were thrilled about us being together.

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Stephanie and her husband, I'm going to call him Greg, live together in a tiny midwestern town. It's the town where everybody knows everybody.

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It's like a small town that you would see on a movie or a sitcom. I didnbump. It's like, I've invested everything. I've put my life and my kids' lives in this man's hands. So that was tough, but we worked through it.They agreed to a payment plan with the IRS and moved forward as a team, back on track for a happy retirement. As the kids got older, Stephanie and her husband adjusted well to the empty nest.When the kids were grown, things were almost even better. We would leave the office and walk hand in hand down the street to the local café and go to lunch together. And sit and talk and laugh through the whole lunch, not sit and scroll on our phones like other couples. And then we would go back and work for the afternoon, and then we would go home together and make dinner, watch our favorite game shows, and play a board game.Even during the 2020 pandemic, Stephanie and her husband got along.So during COVID, I'd hop on a Zoom call with six or seven girlfriends, and we're pretty much all empty nesters, so we're all just stuck in the house alone with our husbands. And my friends have good marriages, and still There was a lot of like, I don't know how much longer I can take this. I'm really bored. And I'm going, Oh, gosh, you guys, I feel bad because you know what? We're having a blast over here. We're trying new recipes. We've got this whole game thing going on. We're doing all these puzzles. We're having so much fun.When COVID restrictions lifted, the couple took the opportunity to spend even more time together and enjoy a warm summer climate.On a whim, we were like, Hey, things are opening up. We didn't get to go on our winter vacation to our time sharing Cancun. Let's go down there. We had gone down the first week of April and had a fabulous time as we always do.But on this little COVID getaway, she could tell that something was off with Greg. She first noticed it when they were lounging by the pool.One of the things that really struck me as weird on that trip was that We had sat in this same spot a couple of days, and there was someone else sitting a couple chairs down from us, another husband and wife. And the guy made me really uncomfortable. You know how some guys just look at you weird when you're hanging out in your bathing suit, whatever? That guy just made me uncomfortable. I told Greg that. I said, That guy is just creeping me out. Can we sit somewhere else? And he said no. That was totally out of character for him. He was always so accommodating to me and never wanted me to feel uncomfortable. I mean, does it matter if we sit over on the other side of the gorgeous infinity pool looking out at the ocean? So, yeah, it just struck me as a little weird.It was weird, but Stephanie didn't think much of it. That night, the couple indulged in a long romantic dinner. This was always part of their vacation. A few dinners where they could really treat themselves.Many, many courses and lots of different drinks and wine and all of that.The next morning, Stephanie was in a fog.I was very out of it. It was really hard to wake up. I had this feeling. It was almost like I was at the bottom of the lake, and I could just see light way up ahead, but it was so hard to try to get there. And then I would just feel so awful, like very cotton mouth, very dehydrated, headache, miserable. Waking up shouldn't feel like that.But Greg was there to help take care of her.Last night, you had a lot to drink, and we were out in the sun a lot. I'm sure you're dehydrated. Let's get you some water. Let's get you some coffee. Let's try to stay out of the sun a little bit today. Very comforting, very kind.But Greg wasn't the man he was pretending to be.I had that feeling. I was like, I got to check all his stuff while he's gone. I saw his laptop was sitting there by his recliner. I picked it up and I took it over to the kitchen counter. And that was where I was sitting, and I literally just lifted it up, and it was there. The pages were open. He readily confessed to all of it. No tears, no remorse, no regret, no care whatsoever. He talked to me like he was telling me I went to the store and got a gallon of milk. He said, I have those pictures of those other women because I trade. Like kids trade, Pokémon cards. I would trade your image.Be sure to listen in on July 25th to hear all of Stephanie's story, and subscribe to the Betrayal feed, where you'll hear news stories every Thursday.Back in '96, Atlanta was booming with excitement around hosting the Centennial Olympic Games. And then, a deranged zealet willing to kill for a cause lit a fuse that would change my life and so many others forever, rippling out for generations. Listen to Flash Point on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.Well, Bowen, the Olympics are underway. It's useless to talk about it as a thing that's happening in the future when it's happening in the present. And what's happening now is our podcast, Two Guys, Five Rings, is a phenomenon. Two Guys, Five Rings, Matt Bowen and the Olympics. Follow the show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or your favorite podcast platform, and watch and listen to every moment of the 2024 Paris Olympic Games now through August 11th on NBC and Peacock, and for the first time ever on the iHeartRadio app.Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, your one-stop shop for the biggest stories in women's sports. Every day, I'm bringing you the stakes, stars, stats, and stories to keep you up to date. Good Game is where we go to celebrate, debate, and dissect the teamwork, competition, and rivalries that we love to watch. Join us. Let's have some fun. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.Presented by Elfbeauty, founding partner of iHeartWomen's Sports.

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bump. It's like, I've invested everything. I've put my life and my kids' lives in this man's hands. So that was tough, but we worked through it.

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They agreed to a payment plan with the IRS and moved forward as a team, back on track for a happy retirement. As the kids got older, Stephanie and her husband adjusted well to the empty nest.

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When the kids were grown, things were almost even better. We would leave the office and walk hand in hand down the street to the local café and go to lunch together. And sit and talk and laugh through the whole lunch, not sit and scroll on our phones like other couples. And then we would go back and work for the afternoon, and then we would go home together and make dinner, watch our favorite game shows, and play a board game.

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Even during the 2020 pandemic, Stephanie and her husband got along.

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So during COVID, I'd hop on a Zoom call with six or seven girlfriends, and we're pretty much all empty nesters, so we're all just stuck in the house alone with our husbands. And my friends have good marriages, and still There was a lot of like, I don't know how much longer I can take this. I'm really bored. And I'm going, Oh, gosh, you guys, I feel bad because you know what? We're having a blast over here. We're trying new recipes. We've got this whole game thing going on. We're doing all these puzzles. We're having so much fun.

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When COVID restrictions lifted, the couple took the opportunity to spend even more time together and enjoy a warm summer climate.

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On a whim, we were like, Hey, things are opening up. We didn't get to go on our winter vacation to our time sharing Cancun. Let's go down there. We had gone down the first week of April and had a fabulous time as we always do.

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But on this little COVID getaway, she could tell that something was off with Greg. She first noticed it when they were lounging by the pool.

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One of the things that really struck me as weird on that trip was that We had sat in this same spot a couple of days, and there was someone else sitting a couple chairs down from us, another husband and wife. And the guy made me really uncomfortable. You know how some guys just look at you weird when you're hanging out in your bathing suit, whatever? That guy just made me uncomfortable. I told Greg that. I said, That guy is just creeping me out. Can we sit somewhere else? And he said no. That was totally out of character for him. He was always so accommodating to me and never wanted me to feel uncomfortable. I mean, does it matter if we sit over on the other side of the gorgeous infinity pool looking out at the ocean? So, yeah, it just struck me as a little weird.

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It was weird, but Stephanie didn't think much of it. That night, the couple indulged in a long romantic dinner. This was always part of their vacation. A few dinners where they could really treat themselves.

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Many, many courses and lots of different drinks and wine and all of that.

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The next morning, Stephanie was in a fog.

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I was very out of it. It was really hard to wake up. I had this feeling. It was almost like I was at the bottom of the lake, and I could just see light way up ahead, but it was so hard to try to get there. And then I would just feel so awful, like very cotton mouth, very dehydrated, headache, miserable. Waking up shouldn't feel like that.

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But Greg was there to help take care of her.

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Last night, you had a lot to drink, and we were out in the sun a lot. I'm sure you're dehydrated. Let's get you some water. Let's get you some coffee. Let's try to stay out of the sun a little bit today. Very comforting, very kind.

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But Greg wasn't the man he was pretending to be.

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I had that feeling. I was like, I got to check all his stuff while he's gone. I saw his laptop was sitting there by his recliner. I picked it up and I took it over to the kitchen counter. And that was where I was sitting, and I literally just lifted it up, and it was there. The pages were open. He readily confessed to all of it. No tears, no remorse, no regret, no care whatsoever. He talked to me like he was telling me I went to the store and got a gallon of milk. He said, I have those pictures of those other women because I trade. Like kids trade, Pokémon cards. I would trade your image.

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Be sure to listen in on July 25th to hear all of Stephanie's story, and subscribe to the Betrayal feed, where you'll hear news stories every Thursday.

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Back in '96, Atlanta was booming with excitement around hosting the Centennial Olympic Games. And then, a deranged zealet willing to kill for a cause lit a fuse that would change my life and so many others forever, rippling out for generations. Listen to Flash Point on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Well, Bowen, the Olympics are underway. It's useless to talk about it as a thing that's happening in the future when it's happening in the present. And what's happening now is our podcast, Two Guys, Five Rings, is a phenomenon. Two Guys, Five Rings, Matt Bowen and the Olympics. Follow the show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or your favorite podcast platform, and watch and listen to every moment of the 2024 Paris Olympic Games now through August 11th on NBC and Peacock, and for the first time ever on the iHeartRadio app.

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Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, your one-stop shop for the biggest stories in women's sports. Every day, I'm bringing you the stakes, stars, stats, and stories to keep you up to date. Good Game is where we go to celebrate, debate, and dissect the teamwork, competition, and rivalries that we love to watch. Join us. Let's have some fun. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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Presented by Elfbeauty, founding partner of iHeartWomen's Sports.