What is up, Daddy Gang?

It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Call Her Daddy. I am your host, Alexander Cooper. And I am here today to answer the question that everyone has been asking on the Internet. Who the fuck is Anna Delvie. She has family money. She's a European socialite. She's a trust fund. It's just tied up. She'll be good for it. She'll wire you the money. What is that accent? Oh, my God. She's really high up in the art world, I heard. I heard that she's a German heiress. Her real name is Anna Sorokin, but she changed her name to Anna Delvie when she arrived in New York City, and she pretended to be someone that she was not. She inserted herself into the world of art and fashion and finance in the greatest city in the world, New York. Anna Delvey, quite literally, walked into banks and convinced these rich dick investors that her idea, an art club for New York society, was worth investing millions and millions of dollars into. Now you're probably thinking, why would they invest if this girl has no money? Because she forged bank documents and falsely claimed that she had $60 million in a trust, which she absolutely did not.

Anna lived in fancy New York City hotels, and she racked up over $30,000 in unpaid room charges.

She promised she was going to pay them back, but she couldn't.

She was well-known, mysterious, convincing. Her life was a dream come true until it wasn't. Anna Sorokin was arrested on October third, 2017, and rejected a plea deal, and she stood trial. Anna was convicted of eight guilty charges, including grand larceny in the second degree, attempted grand larceny, and theft of service. Anna was sentenced to 4-12 years in in prison fined $24,000, and ordered to pay almost $200,000 in restitution. She went to prison for her crimes. At the time, of our interview, on Monday, March seventh, so about a week ago, Anna was detained in upstate New York at the Orange County Correctional Facility. This was the first interview that I conducted with someone physically in prison. And I want to prepare you for what you're going to see and hear. Due to COVID restrictions, I was unable to visit the prison. So I interviewed Anna over a video chat app, specifically designed for inmates. The app And the app only allows 15 minutes per call. So throughout the episode, you're going to hear us pause mid-interview because our 15 minutes were up, and I'd have to wait for her to call me back. Also, at times, you may hear other conversations happening in the background.

Anna was in the common room with her inmates, and we had no control over the noise level and who was coming into the room at the time. So also, you're about to hear Anna talk about the fear of being deported. She does not want to go back to Germany. She wants to stay in the United States. But earlier this week, it was announced that Anna Sorokin was released from jail and ordered to return to Germany. But apparently, she also may not be getting deported, or she's not on that plane, because it's currently unclear where Anna Sorokin is. Everyone thought she was getting on a plane to go back to Germany, and all the news outlets are saying she didn't. So where the fuck is Anna Delphi? Am I shocked that she didn't get on the plane and she got her way out of it? No, not really. Nothing with Anna shocks me anymore. Daddy Gang, this is Anna Sorokin. Hi.

Anna, it's so nice to meet you, finally.

It's so nice to meet you, too.

To clarify, should I refer to you as Anna Delvey, not Anna Sorokin? Sure, yeah.

Are you ever going to legally Can you really change it?

I mean, I should if they ever let me out of jail for longer than six weeks.

You're like, The first thing I'm doing is going shopping. The second thing I'm doing is changing my fucking name.

The first thing I'm going to do is laser my eyes because I'm so sick and tired of all these glasses for some reason. People think it's an accessory, but I'm half-blind. I can't see anything.

What is your daily routine like right now in jail?

Well, there's none, because here in jail, you just do whatever you want. So I wake up, they bring me out super early, and I get all kinds of mail now. It's just so crazy. I have people wanting to adopt me. I don't get any haters. I guess they just go to my IG or to Twitter.

Have you gotten any love letters?

Definitely more marriage proposals than I ever did before my criminal career started.

You should be like, Let me see your W2, and then we'll have a conversation.

I have a jail assistant, so I'll have her do that.

You have a jail assistant? Can you explain what does a jail assistant do?

We have tablets, where I'm video chatting you from. But the tablets die all the time. So I'll go for maybe two or three. But there are some people who don't use theirs. I'm buying tablets off of other people and they phone minutes because the phone is so tricky. So I'm just doing all kinds of things.

You're working the system as you know best.

I know. Yeah. It's just like...

So did you have a hustle? Because I remember when I interviewed Amanda Knox, she was saying basically your skills become your currency almost. Did you have a hustle at all at Rikers?

No. No, not at all. It's like, if you have money, you don't really have to do anything. It's just like... I mean, in right case, you cannot do your laundry. You have to hand wash it, so you just pay somebody to do it.

So you were paying people off in jail to just do your stuff?

Yeah, absolutely.

They actually think I'm super rich, so.

Where were you getting the money to pay them?

Well, they don't care about that.

And So you were getting money from your bank account?

Yeah.

In Rikers, you became popular among the inmates. What do you think they liked about you, Anna?

That's a good question for them. I don't know.

Do you think you're a likable character?

I don't know. It's not something I want to say about myself. I hope I am. I try not to be insufferable I don't know.

You told New York magazine reporter, Jessica Pressler, of all the people that you met in prison, you found the murderers the most interesting. What do you remember about the conversations that you had with them?

I guess the most revelatory thing about it is they're just normal, and they're just you and me. So many crimes just happen in a moment, just like that. And then you And your life is just never the same, as opposed to mine, which was a build-up, and it was like years in the making. And that's the difference. I imagine I would have been so much more upset if I got mad and just whatever shot my boyfriend, and then I would just have all my life would be taken away.

I have to call you back. It's like three seconds.

Okay. I'm hoping we can fucking hear her. Okay. What do I do? Press use my balance to pay? Okay. Do not disturb. Okay, we're back.

Okay, this is what... You're asking what I need an assistant for?

Holy shit. Okay, let's go back to your childhood. As a little girl, what did you want to be when you grew up?

I always wanted to be in fashion, definitely. I did not know what exactly, but I don't know. I grew up watching MTV, and I thought, fashion PR is just the coolest thing. I remember watching Kelly Cattrong, so stuff like that. I don't know. I didn't really know. But I just I love print, and I love magazine, so I either wanted to be on one side or the other.

And you were born in Russia. Do you still have family and friends there? Are they being affected by the war right now?

No.

Well, Well, your parents and your family packed up and moved to Germany when you were 15. Why did your family have to move, and did you want to go?

Well, my dad owned a business, a trucking business. They were having drivers go back and forth, transporting goods across Europe. And he was a part of this with some German person, and that's how he'd be located.

Did your mom have a job?

No, my mom had the second child, my little brother at the time, so he was pretty young, so she was busy with him.

Did you and your parents get along growing up?

On and off, I was never best friends with my parents, and they let me do my thing, I'd say.

What would you guys fight about, if anything?

Well, I just hated to be told what to do. I hated on them to put any restrictions, about any rules. I was just allergic to authority or to rules, especially when I thought they were unreasonable. And I was hated to explain myself because I was just so used to being given freedom. And then when they attempted to take it away or impose some restrictions on me, I did not really react.

What would they try to take away if you were getting in trouble?

My car, where I could not go and spend the night at my friend's house. I could not go out, or they would just try to financially restrict me, especially my mom, and I hated that. I never wanted to be controlled with money.

Did you ever then consider at a young age getting a job since you wanted to have financial independence?

Yes and no. None of my friends really had a job. That was not a thing. I don't know. Oh, no, I actually had a job. So my dad was venting out. We had this huge, whatever, some industrial building, and this solar company was renting it from them. So they employed me, and they totally overpaid me. I got a paid vacation after working for them for six weeks because they were American, and they didn't know German boys. And they literally gave me paid Christmas vacation. I got 1,500 just for doing nothing. But I was extremely overpaid. I was making €30 an hour or something like that.

Do you think you were more obsessed with money than the average kid?

I just wanted to have the freedom that comes with it.

What did you want to do? I wouldn't say...

I just wanted to do what I wanted. I don't know, just go, I don't know, travel and go travel, and go places, and do things without having... Because if you ask your parents for money, you need their permission, right? But if you have your own, you just go and do whatever you want. So I guess money just always represented freedom for me, not just for the sake of the money.

So were you closer if you had to stay with your mom or your dad?

I'd say I would stay with my dad because I would have more freedom and less oversight. And he would give me more money, too, definitely.

Where do you think your aversion to authority started? I'd say...

I guess it's pretty strongly worded aversion to authority. I just don't know. I guess because my parents I was really good in school when I was younger, so they just trusted my judgment and then just let me do whatever I wanted to. But then when I started getting older, when I was like, Oh, maybe I don't need to spend two months studying this geography book because I'm really not that interested. So when I started to catch on to that, and I started to like, Oh, maybe we need to get her to do something. I guess it just stepped in too late. I don't want to blame stuff on my parents, but it's like, if you grow up... I guess when you're 16, 17 is not really the age to start imposing roles on somebody, if you fail to do so.

Do you think you also got worse as a teenager to your parents once you moved to Germany, and you started to rebel a little bit more.

I definitely. I think that's the same for everybody. When you realize your parents are not all that.

People around the world are imitating your accent, and it is one of the most popular sounds on TikTok right now. Did you know that? Oh, really?

No, I did not. So what do you think? Do I sound the way they portrayed me?

I think a lot of people are talking about it, how the show, Inventing Anna on Netflix, is dramatizing your accent.

Yeah.

What has been the wildest thing that you've heard about your accent?

When I heard Julia When you're talking like me the first time, I'm like, Oh, my gosh, do I sound this insufferable? It's just so weird hearing yourself. It's the same when you just hear your voice being recorded. It's totally different from the way you hear yourself when you speak? I don't know. At this point, I'm just so used to it. I don't know.

And to everyone that thought it was fake.

I mean, people just say so many things about me. I just don't care. It's just the way I I don't know. I never put on any accent. It's just the way I talk. Did anybody ever hear me speak any different? Then they should come up with the evidence, whoever accused me of that. I want to see the proof, so then let's talk.

Oh, no, 60 seconds left. Okay, when I close this out, I'm going to close the app, and then you'll just call me back.

Okay, I'm going to hang up, and I will call you in two minutes.

Okay, bye. Okay, we're back. Hey. That was easier than the first time. We got it figured out now.

Well, no.

Okay, so... It's fine. I'm still from 1994, babe. Oh, is someone in there? It's okay.

Oh, yes, someone's on the phone. Is it too loud?

Yeah, we can wait a second. It's okay.

Shall we just... Because I cannot make her go away.

No, you're fine. I think we're okay. All right. Okay. So So let's talk about your move to New York. Why did you move to New York?

Well, I ended up having more friends in New York than I did in Paris or in Europe or anywhere else. And I travel quite a lot. I never just moved, moved.

What did you love about New York?

I just love the energy of the city, and I just love you can get anything done at any time. It's very different from Europe, because in Europe, everything's closed on Sundays, and everything's closed after 5:00 or 6:00 PM. You cannot pay anybody enough to get anything for you. And it's just different. I grew up in Europe, so I guess it was exciting for me.

It's always about getting something with you, Anna. So you get to New York, and you start going to all of these popular events and clubs. How did you introduce yourself to people?

I don't even remember. I guess Anna Delvey.

So you would just say your name is Anna Delvey. What would you say? Where were you from and what was your job?

Well, I was from Germany, which was true. And I didn't really like... No one ever asked me about my job.

I feel like that's so interesting because I lived in New York, and I feel like all anyone cares about is asking, what do you do for a living? And why did you change your name to Anna Delvey?

For no reason, really. I don't know. I really I came up with it randomly. There's no good story behind it. I know people always try to discover something, but that was just not there. I don't even know. It just doesn't really mean anything, and it was just random.

You don't view Anna Delvey and Anna Sorokin as two different personalities?

Absolutely not, no. I like it. There's absolutely no difference. Because in jail, they always call me by my government name, which is Sorokin. It's like, it doesn't feel like anything to me. There's just nothing.

Nothing in there. You don't have a personal attachment to your birth last name?

Absolutely not. I don't have to have attachment to any country, any names. It's just not my thing. I don't know. This is not the way I see myself I would define myself.

Do you ever wonder why?

I don't know. It's hard to explain. I was just always like this.

If you could try, how would you try to explain that to someone that doesn't understand not identifying with anything?

I think I don't know.

I think it's pretty small-minded when you're like, Oh, if you see somebody, Oh, this person is from Germany, or whatever, this person is from Russia, let me... And I like them more than I like somebody who is, I don't know, from Japan. I don't know. I think I was just always kept trying to keep an open mind, or maybe because I moved around so much. I don't feel like I'm from anywhere. I feel like I belong nowhere.

That sounds lonely, Anna. Are you ever lonely?

But not in a bad way. Wouldn't it be sad when you just spend your whole life in one place?

I don't think it's about spending your life in one place. I think it's about feeling like you belong to something and not feeling like you're wandering alone in this life. It can be pretty lonely.

But I guess I choose people, the ones I choose to relate to. They don't have to be my neighbors, or I don't I have to grow up with them for me to want to be friends with them.

How would you have described your friend group when you were living in New York?

I think it was mostly fashion and art people. There's always somebody People in New York, they always travel. Somebody's always gone for a couple of months, and they come back. So it's like... New York is pretty anonymous. That's why it's just so bizarre to me. It's like how these people just assume they know so much about me. It's like, I didn't know anything about either. Neither do I care. Nobody ask you. It's like, who are your parents, and what do they do? And how much money they make? It's just outrageous.

So I was going through your Instagram, and back in 2013 and 2014, you were posting mostly art and beautiful views, and you would rarely post yourself. Your face was usually covered. What was your strategy behind that?

I love that you assume there's a strategy behind it. There was none. I don't know. I was just posting what I saw, and that was the beginning of Instagram, right? Right. And I guess I was just trying to... I was still hanging out around a lot of art people, so I was just posting a lot of art.

I say strategy only because I think every single person on Instagram can admit. We are all trying to make people feel a certain way about us. Did you feel pressured to keep up with the rich people in New York City?

I mean, yeah, I guess. Who isn't? I always wanted to get more stuff or go there, either that restaurant. So I guess, yeah, it's fair to say that was.

Do you think you would have had the level of social success that you had in New York without social media?

I already saw my social media as a I'm not a big part of anything, to be honest. People just assumed I was trying to impress anybody with whatever, 40, 50, 60 million. It's borderline poor in New York. There's just so many rich people in there. You can't impress anybody.

It's not even like you had that. So it's like Instagram was the path. If someone's going to look you up from a vibe they got, it definitely reiterated like, oh, I feel like this girl looks wealthy, like art and exhibits and So it does help the persona a little bit.

I guess, yeah. But there was just always, I don't know, thousands of people who did. So I never saw myself, Oh, am I the only person who posts something like that? There's just always somebody with more followers, somebody better. So I never saw myself, Oh, my gosh, I'm killing at this.

So you went to Jail for Crimes Committed while you were trying to launch the Anna Delvey Foundation. If you could have selected three people to be at the opening of your foundation, who would you have selected?

Oh, my gosh, this is such a hard question. Three people, alive or dead, alive, right?

Yeah.

I mean, Anna Wintour, that's her fashion. And then somebody like Steve Jobs, if you take somebody who's dead.

Do you care at all about influencers, like the Kardashian's or no?

I mean, that's too many of the Kardashian, so it wouldn't fit the three people.

But would you invite them all?

I mean, sure. I don't want to discriminate.

Okay, 27 seconds left. I mean, let's hop back off and then get back on.

Okay.

I mean, I started to think Push her a little bit more, when I was like, well, you didn't have that money, so. When she said, I have no... What was that what she said? She was like, I feel no connection to anything. Okay, here we go. Okay, let me record. Okay. Let's get to the bottom of the rumor that you were a German heiress. Did you ever, at any point in your life, tell someone that you were going to be inheriting money?

No.

Okay. Did you ever tell people you were German heiress? No.

No one introduces yourself like that. What sentence is that? It's completely ridiculous.

Where do you think that narrative started?

Well, I think People put together the story after the DA's office, the original press release from when I got arrained, in October 2017. I guess that would be my assumption, but I don't know. It's hard for me I had to track this because I was just in jail that whole time.

Right. But even prior to you having anything to do with the law, how did people think that you were supporting this very expensive life in New York?

Well, I can't Can you testify to what people are assuming about me. I don't know.

So when you're picking up tabs, no one ever asked you, where do you get all this money from?

I mean, I don't know what's doing like anything so super crazy. I feel like there's just people who are spending, who were spending way more money than I did.

I feel like going to a hotel and spending 63,000 dollars, that's a lot, Anna.

Yeah, well, that was not on a daily basis. That was just a one-time thing.

But even living in a hotel, in New York City, that's a lot of money.

I actually don't feel that way because I know so many people who live in a hotel, and it's actually cheaper than renting an apartment where you have to commit for a whole year and you can't travel.

Did you choose to live in a hotel because in New York City, you have to show your finances if you're going to get a lease? And that would have been hard?

Well, I just didn't know I didn't want to commit for a year because I knew I was not going to be in one place for one year, even because of my visa, because I had to leave all the time. And I just didn't want to being just stuck in one place.

So you think that everyone around you just assumed, This girl's really rich. We don't know where she has this money. And you never explained where you got all the money from.

I mean, I never asked anybody where they get their money from. So I never wondered about how anybody is paying for their bill. So I just assume people would be like, approaching it the same way.

I really don't care. Yeah. No, your New York experience is very different than mine. So no one ever asked you point blank about how you had any money No, absolutely not. I guess maybe you'll have a different friend circle. I can't imagine.

I remember people being pretty secretive. I don't know. It's just nobody's business. I know people who still, I don't know, their husband is paying, they live whatever this house will support. And some of these things you just don't want to be vocal about.

But see, even you just knew they were getting their payment from their partner. You still know. It's shocking that no one was ever like, Where the fuck are you getting this shit, Anna?

Well, nobody was asking me that to my face.

How do you think, though, this whole narrative that you did have all this money? How do you think that benefited your life?

I guess it's just easier to ask somebody, I don't know, for 20 million.

So it was easier for you to walk into a room and ask for more money because people assumed you had a lot of money? I guess, yeah. Other than changing your name, what about your life when you were living in New York did you lie about? Did you lie about your family's background or wealth or how much money you had?

I guess I did. I mean, I cannot tell an exact in that instance, but I'm sure. But all of that, I never told any senseless lies, unless there were a bank.

So the purpose of you lying, though, was to get something that would benefit you?

Definitely, yes. So it's like if I were just to meet, I don't know, some girl in a social situation, I really don't care what someone thought. First of all, it's none of their business. Second of all, there's nothing you can do for me.

You just walked through these fucking doors into some of the world's largest financial establishment, asked for money, and they gave it to you. When you would walk into these rooms with these men, Anna, what was your vibe? Were you super outspoken and loud and confident, or were you coy about it and you let the accent and the mystery speak for itself?

I don't even know.

I think I'm the same. I am right now with you. I don't know. There's just no Anna mode. I'm not a performer.

You are. You're very confusing. Really? Yeah.

There's just nothing else behind this. I don't know.

Nothing else behind it, Anna. Absolutely nothing is behind this. Yeah. But like, okay, so let's pretend we're in the room with you. So you're saying you would just do this, like your vibe is just chill, and you're just pitching them your vision, take it or leave it?

Yeah, and I would always show up underdressed because I thought if I were to show up, I don't know, in heels or I don't know, with some... I don't know, with a tight dress. I gave them this I don't give a fuck vibe, which was pretty much accurate because if it wouldn't be them, it would be somebody else because in the end, they are all disposable. There's just so many financial institutions in New York.

So you purposely would dress not as nice because you thought it would insinuate what?

I didn't really care much to impress them, and they should be the ones trying to impress me. I'm calling you right back.

Okay, okay. Okay, now we're fucking getting into it. Oh, shit. Do not disturb. We're back. Yes. Okay, so we were just talking about you would dress really raggedy. You are so confident, but we're all human. Have you Have you ever felt insecurities?

I feel insecurities all the time.

What are some of your insecurities?

I don't know everything. I feel like I'm more paranoid than I ever was. And just about things going bad. Just everything.

So try to explain that.

I don't know. It's just like, now I feel like I'm at the mercy of public opinion, and I'm trying to stay away from seeing myself the way other people see me, but it's just really hard. And I feel like my case is just being thrown into my face every day. There's no way that... For some people, they commit a crime and they go to jail, and they are out, and that's it. They have a way to move on and to forget about it and not having to deal with it. Other than having a felony on your record, it will never be like that for me. Me. Just never, ever in my life. It will always follow me in some way. So I've been getting back to your question about insecurities. It's just everything. And it's like, I'm so scared to fuck up again and for everybody to say, Oh, she was a fraud all along, and we knew that. And why would anybody give her a chance? So that's always there. Yeah, just things like that.

You're choosing to do interviews. Is there an angle you're trying to take so that people can get to know you more?

I mean, why not? But I'm also writing a book, and I'm working on my own podcast.

Who is your dream podcast guest?

Who is my dream podcast guest?

Oh, my gosh, I have so many. Cyrus Vans. I'd love to speak to him. The prosecutor, he'd never go for it. I was like, to my prosecutors, I would love to speak to them. It's just like, I don't know. Don't you want to find out why a person who hates you, I wouldn't say the word hates you, but who has so much negative stuff on you, or whose job it was to get you, like imprison you, just what they really think of you. It's the same way you engage with your haters on social media.

It's like, Can you tell me why you hate me?

I mean, I think it's a little different because I think they probably just wanted to correctly punish you from the crimes you committed. It's America. There are laws. So one of your iconic trademarks was tipping $100 bills everywhere to everyone. As someone attempting to start a business, why did you so freely give away your money?

So if I live in a hotel and there's somebody who always helps me with something, it's totally okay for me to tip them a hundred every now and then. I did not just like, for a hundred dollar bills of random people. And I don't know. I just like, I had so many people in service, which is so nice to me, and they literally make all the difference.

Do you think that you're continuing And you doing that once you are free. I feel like now I have to. Anna, you got to protect your money, girl. Everyone's going to keep trying to wait on you anytime they see you at a restaurant. She's keeping the tradition alive.

I feel like I can't disappoint.

You should worry about your bank account. Okay, so have you ever admitted to committing any crimes?

No, I went on trial, so I never bled guilty.

Sorry, the car is just so loud.

Okay, let me call you back, all right?

Okay, okay, okay, bye. It's going to be like 15 minutes or something. It's okay. It's okay. Don't worry. Okay, sure. What phone do you have? Oh, my gosh. Okay. Dude, that's so bad. It's so loud. I think the issue is that she's having this awakening, that it was at least some insight, the fact that she said, I don't want to come out and people be like, Oh, she... Her ego is now like, Oh, I don't want people to think like, Oh, it was a flop. Like, she's not... And it's like... Okay. Is it quiet now?

Yes, well, everybody's gone, so.

Okay, so what was going through your head that first night that you spent in jail?

God, I don't even know. It was terrifying. I blocked it off. It was just awful. And there were so many people there. There were a lot of people for DUIs, a lot of sex workers. It was Interesting.

If you had been granted bail, where would you have gotten the money?

I wouldn't find a way.

If you weren't yourself, and you knew about Anna Delvey, would you loan Anna Delvey money? I would.

Definitely. Because I felt like I would definitely go out of my way to pay somebody back.

But did you ever to pay Rachel back?

Well, she got paid back from Amex, and I'm not allowed to reach out to her. I put it out there. If she feels like I owe her any money, she knows ways to reach me.

What was it like to face Rachel for the first time in court?

It was great. It was very exciting. She did not look my way a single time, apart from, well, I have to identify you. It's like, if I'm the person, that was the only time she looked my way, which was, I guess, telling. If you feel so defrauded and if you're so righteous, wouldn't you want to look your abuser, quote, unquote, or whatever the people are called?

Did you just stare at her the whole time?

Absolutely, yes.

Do you ever feel any guilt that Rachel was left with that $63,000 tab before Amex obviously refunded her?

I mean, I was always I was saying that it was a really unfortunate situation. I never said, I'm so awesome, and I did nothing wrong. It was just a really unfortunate situation, and I did let her pay it, and I knew there was a chance I could not repay her. But for me, at that point, I was going to go through with my project, and everything was going to work out. So for me to tell Rachel, Hey, maybe there is a chance that I'm not going to pay you back. It would be the The same for me is to admit my project is not going to work out. It would be equal admitting failure on a bigger scale. It was very psychological for me. I've never invited her on this vacation thinking, Oh, maybe Rachel is going to pick up the tab.

If you could say anything to Rachel right now, what would you say?

Gosh, I don't know.

Well, I hope she makes the best out of the moment. I don't know. I I really don't. I try not to think of her.

How do you feel about her new book?

I don't feel any way because I'll never read it. I've heard it's pretty bad.

I haven't read it, so I can't attest to that I don't think so either. What is your current relationship with your parents?

I talk to them a couple of times a week.

What do you guys talk about?

I give them an update, what's going on with me. I'd say they're letting me do my thing. They just basically said, or like, it's not because of us that you're there, and you chose to live in New York and do all these things.

But they are supportive.

It's like they send me things, or whenever I need anything, they send me money, or books and magazines. So they are supportive in that way.

Time is up. Okay, wait. You can call me right back. Okay. I'll be right here. Well, I'm about to hit her with a, Oh, well, your dad said this about you. Okay, this is the only other thing. You keep saying, I was going to pay it all back. Unfortunately, Anna, that's not the way the world works, and you keep saying that. So Okay, let me just record. Okay, so I was just asking about your parents and your relationship. Do you have a good relationship with your brother?

Yeah, I guess. He's way younger. He's 18 now, so I never really had much in common with him because of our huge age difference. But yeah.

Has everything that's been happening with you at all affect his social life or anything?

A little bit, yeah. I guess he care a bit less. He's a bit older now. But I know teachers know that I'm his sister, definitely. They used to ask him if he's my brother.

How does that make you feel?

I don't know.

I don't know. I'm not sure if that's negative or positive. So it's hard to say.

I mean, What do you think would be positive, the teachers would think positively? What would that look like?

I mean, it's hard to spend crimes in a positive way. I mean, as long as it's just not negative, I don't know.

Do you think there's any way it wouldn't be negative?

I haven't spoken to him recently, to be honest.

Okay. So I don't know. Your father was quoted in a newspaper saying, Naturally, we're very worried about her. She has such a selfish character. We can't do anything about it. We gave her a normal upbringing. Is it true that your parents gave you a normal upbringing?

I mean, if they think so.

Do you think so?

I mean, it wasn't crazy. I would say, yeah.

Do you think you have a selfish character, like your dad explained?

I guess, if you said so, I don't know. I try not to be selfish, but it's just the thing that my parents always say. Whatever I try to do is selfish, though.

How do you feel hearing that insult from your dad, where he's telling that to a public magazine?

It doesn't feel any way because he just would tell that to me in my face every other day. So it's not surprising.

Does it feel hurtful?

No. My dad is very sarcastic, And I guess he just doesn't know how to... He doesn't speak to media on a daily basis, so- So he was being sarcastic? I hope he was, yeah.

Did you ever ask him not to speak to the media? No.

They're actually reluctant to speak to the media. There's just so many people who want to interview them, and they refuse. If anything, I have whatever or my own show with Yurim, I'll have to convince them to speak to them. So I don't see them going out of their way speaking to the media.

Yeah, they should come and call her Daddy. We can have a whole family reunion. Can you imagine? I'll ask. Okay, so if you do get deported back to Germany, how do you envision your life?

Well, hopefully that would happen. I mean, I can go anywhere else in the It's not like I have to stay in Germany. I would be able to go anywhere I want, but back to the States.

Are you lonely now?

I mean, definitely. In a way, I am. I try to keep myself busy, but it's just not the same as being around friends or just being around people I choose to be around because I'm stuck in here. So yeah, I'm very introverted, I think. So if anything, it's by choice. If I ever felt lonely.

Who knows the real Anna best?

I guess different people who know different bits and pieces. So we're just like, nobody really around me who would have the whole picture. It's hard to say.

So you have no close friends that really know you?

I do, yeah. But it's like my friendships... So it's like I have friends who are like, they are there during my free time, but they don't really know what's going on with the projects I'm working with. They just don't really know the full picture. So I guess it would be fair to say nobody really knows everything about me.

I think there's a WiFi issue. We're frozen. Maybe let's just cancel out. Hello? Hi. Hi. Okay, so we were talking about your friend groups, and you mentioned you feel like no one really knows the real Anna. And do you think that you purposefully, maybe, would compartmentalize your life a little bit so that no one can really know the real you?

I guess it just ended up being like that, but it was never on purpose. I feel like a lot of people do that. It's just you have family, and then, I don't know, you have people who just don't know about all the areas of your life. So for me to say somebody just knows everything about me would be to assume it's somebody who just spends the whole day with me, or who also works with me and lives with me. I feel like very few people can say that. My parents know me in one way, but they have not been around the past year, so they cannot really say what I'm doing in New or my friends. Everybody just has different parts of information, I guess.

Do you consider yourself a con artist?

Absolutely not.

To people that are saying you are, what do you think is the difference between you and a con artist?

Well, I never intended to permanently harm anybody. I literally cannot come up with a single example where I'm like, Yeah, let me fuck this person over, and they'll never see their money ever again.

So you think in the grand scheme of things, it was all with good intention what you were doing?

Yes. I just didn't choose the best means to go about it.

Who has hurt you in your life?

I don't know. I don't know.

We're You're having Wi-Fi issues?

I know. It's just like this is what it starts doing. It's okay.

I'm getting a couple calls. Okay. So to finish the question, I was asking you who has hurt you in your life?

I don't know. Never complain, never explain.

Is that a saying you live by?

I have to, yes.

Are you worried people aren't going to think you're smart because you got caught?

If somebody thinks that way, I don't care because my goal was never to get away or not to get caught. So I even hear people in jail saying, Oh, you're not that good of a criminal because you didn't get caught. It's like, I never tried to be that way, so it doesn't hurt me in any way.

It doesn't hurt your ego.

Absolutely not, because that That was never my goal. I was never hiding from the police, and then was surprised that I got arrested, so it was none of that. So I thought, I'll just go back to New York, and I'll just resolve it with my lawyer. I just did not think that would be so violent about it. I just didn't know they were after me.

Were you embarrassed at all?

Sure, I guess, yeah. I mean, it's not pleasant getting arrested. Definitely.

So I'm assuming you haven't watched Inventing Anna. No.

So I watched like, Feats and Pieces, but I didn't watch the whole thing.

Okay. So the show is all about Anna Delvey. And in Every single episode, the title card that reads, it's every episode, it says this whole story is completely true, except for all the parts that are totally made up. And so everyone watching it, we don't know what is and what is made up. And so I wanted to get clarification from the woman herself. Here is an example. In episode eight, they show you intentionally setting yourself up to overdose. But right before you do, you call room service so they will come up before you die. And they then show you at Cedar Sinai in the hospital on a 24-hour psych evaluation. Did this actually happen?

No, absolutely not. No. What drugs was I supposed to be over?

I'm not sure. So you never attempted suicide? No. So you're currently waiting to find out if you will be deported. Do you have any indication of how long you have to wait until they make the decision?

Well, I do. I just fired my lawyers and I got somebody new, so hopefully they will They're getting me out of jail.

Why did you fire your lawyers?

Because they weren't adequate.

So they just weren't getting you an answer. So do you have any timeline? Is it going to be more like years, months? Do you have any idea?

Well, no, it's definitely not going to be years, but I'm sure it's going to be a couple more weeks.

What do you think the chances are of you staying in America?

I don't even want to say anything, just we'll see what's going to happen. Yeah.

Are you interested in dating?

Sure, when I'm out of jail.

On February 20th, 2021, you tweeted, willing to marry Kanye West for a US green card, would you date Kanye now that your friend Julia Fox has been there and done that?

That's a tricky question. Now, I It was a joke, that tweet. I don't know. He doesn't seem to be getting the best reviews, so I don't know.

That made me crack up. I will give you that. Okay, years from now, Anna, what would you like to be remembered for? Well, definitely not for my crimes, hopefully.

Well, I'm just trying to to turn my story around, and hopefully I'll be able to create something good out of all the attention I'm getting.

Okay, you can't say you don't know to this question. Why do you think people are so captivated by Anna Delvey?

Gosh, I really don't know, because I'm just being myself, and it was never something that I created, and I'm like, Oh, this is how I did it, and I knew this is... It just was really a surprise to me that people would be so interested in the way I went about the things, because it just made so much sense to me. It just comes really natural. So this is what I'm trying to figure out.

I don't know.

I mean, what's out there is a caricature. So it's not like I'm trying not to see myself as this person who is being portrayed out there. It's not like I see whatever is being written in the media. It's like, Yeah, that's me, because I feel like I'm more complex.

Right. So in the interview, you kept mentioning that you had a plan. You were going to pay everyone back. But you also, obviously, you went to these banks under false pretense for whatever reason, and they thought you had this money. Do you now see where the intention of paying people back, that's just not how the world works? I mean, I do.

I definitely do, yes. I do see what I did wrong. But it's also so many people just do worse things.

One of my last questions. Have you ever heard the phrase whataboutism? Do you want me to give you the definition. No. Okay, it is the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter accusation or raising a different issue. Would you say whataboutism is your best friend?

Is that an accusation?

Anna, I've never interviewed someone that said, I don't know more than you, and then flipped it back on me. Have you had media training?

No, no, it's all me.

Oh my God. Okay, well, I truly... Oh, wait, let me make sure this is recording. Oh my God. I can't thank you enough for coming on Call Her Daddy. I know... Are you there? I swear to fucking God, if that last one didn't fucking record, please fucking call back. Dude, that's so fucking annoying. To watch that just be the end. Okay, guys. Well, I'm currently waiting for her to call back. I'm unsure if Anna is going to call back because I think that last question may have pushed her over the edge. But... She's calling. Hi, Anna. Hello.

This is a prepaid debit call from... Anna.

I'm an inmate at the Orange County Jail.

To accept this call, press zero.

To refuse this call, hang up or press one.

This call is from a correction facility and is subject to monitoring and recording. Thank you for using global telling.

Hi, Anna.

That's not letting me call back anyone, and I can't call because this goes off at 10:00.

I'm super sorry, but- No, don't worry. I just wanted to say thank you so much, and I really We appreciate you coming on. Thank you so much for having me on.

It was a pleasure speaking to you, Alex.

So nice meeting you virtually. Wish I could have been in person, but maybe we'll meet in person one day.

Well, you can get arrested.

You can come here. Oh my God. Okay, Anna. Talk soon.

Okay. All right.

Bye, bye. Bye. Daddy Gang, that is it for this week's fucking episode. I don't know if I feel smarter or swindled. I don't know. But what I can say is I you fuckers next one. Say goodbye. Holy shit..