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All right.

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This is call her daddy with oh, with me, Rebel. And go. I almost, like, crush my finger in that.

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I just want to let you know, no one's ever done that.

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Oh, really? I always. When I say these, I always just.

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Want to just a little clap, clap. Rolling. This episode is directed by Rebel Wilson and produced by. Written by Stardon. What is up, daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with call her daddy, Rebel Wilson. Welcome to call her daddy.

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Hi, Alex. Hi. It's so great to be here.

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I'm so happy to have you here. I'm obsessed with your outfit.

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Oh, thanks. Well, it's actually my girlfriend designed it. It's so good.

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It's so cozy.

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It's just so cozy. The best to, like, lounge in. And that's what we're doing now, guys.

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The one day that I'm not wearing a fucking hoodie and sweatpants. Cause I wanted to look professional for Rebel, and she shows up in my exact uniform that I'm usually in. I love it. You are one of the funniest actresses of our time. I'm obsessed with you. You're so talented.

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This is great for my self esteem already.

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You're also a new mom to baby Royce.

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Yeah.

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The name is amazing. How did you pick this name?

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I wanted something that started with R and then. And I wanted something that I didn't think anybody else had. And then I came up with Royce. I don't know, maybe I saw a Rolls Royce or something. There's some store here in West Hollywood called something like Royce interiors or something as well. And I saw it a few times and I was like, yeah, royce, like, that could be cool. I don't know of anybody else who's called their baby that. And so I was like, we have quite unique names in my family. Like, my niece is called sovereign. And so I was just like, oh, yeah, Royce sounds like good. And then I told my family, and they're like, no, that's a shit name. And my mom sends me a list of 50 other names starting with R, like Raven or other thing. And I'm like, no. For some reason, I just like Roy. So that's gonna be. I love Roy, but we call her little Royce, which is cute.

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Are you gonna get her a Rolls Royce?

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Maybe. Maybe. Oh, my God.

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Can you imagine? That would be amazing. Your birth name is actually Melanie?

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Yes. So at school, like primary school and high school, people knew me as really?

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And so when and why did you decide to start going by rebel?

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So Rebel was always my name. I was named after a little girl called Rebel who sang at my parents wedding. She's like a little six year old little angel and my mom loved her and because my mom was a school teacher, so she was in my mum's class and so I was named after her. And then my father said, there's no way we're putting that on the birth certificate because I'm going to go to a christian school. So they're like, they won't accept her if her name's rebel on the birth certificate and whatever. So I grew up, like, knowing my name was Rebel, but on my birth certificate was Melanie Elizabeth. But as soon as I was an adult, I was like, well, now I'm going by rebel. Like, and it kind of worked out. Like, it obviously wasn't that I wanted a stage name or anything, but it was like, oh, that's my name. And that's what I'll start using as an, as an adult. And it just, I don't know. Yeah, but it's weird. Some people, only people that have known me since childhood would call me Mel sometimes and it freaks me out now.

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But it is kind of cool. You've like an alter ego?

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Yeah, kind of like a sasha fierce situation. But, like, I don't know. But it's not like my personality change or anything. It was just that I officially changed all the documents over love over to rebel. And then it kind of worked out because I was only a law student at that time, so it worked out that I became an actress and have a cool name.

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So you grew up in Sydney, Australia. What was your social life in high school like?

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Okay, so I started high school. We started like, when you're like twelve years old, our high school, it's a little bit different. We don't have middle school, like, here in America. And for some reason I was in the cool group. So I get, I start my new high school and I get in the cool group and I was like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Like, how did I even do this? And then, like, the girls say, we're gonna go smoke behind the gym, so are you coming or what? And I'm like, oh, I don't smoke because I didn't know what else to say. I didn't smoke. And so they kicked me out of the group and then all the other little groups, I went to an all girls school and all the other groups had formed. So, like, literally, like they'll sit in a little circle in a quadrangle and, you know, a bit like gossip girl or whatever and but all the other groups, there was no room in the circles. They'd already made their own little circles, so everyone had a group except for me. And so I had to. My first year of high school, every day, I went to the library, had my lunch just by myself because all the other groups had formed and I had no group now.

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And I mean, but for three days, I was living it up in the cool group, being like, oh, they're like, how did she get in the cool group? Whatever. And I was just like, what? You know? And then. But then I get kicked out and had zero friends for the whole year. And then luckily, the next year of high school, these other girls go, oh, meet us at the language labs at lunch. And I'm like, what? Are they going to try to beat me up or something? I was like, so scared. And then I come, and then they had all these candies and stuff, and they're like, surprise. And it was my birthday, and I was like, how the hell they know that? And then they throw me a surprise birthday party lunch as a way to say, we would like you in our group. And then that's how I got my first group of friends at high school. The group thing was like, the cliques, like, in mean girls and stuff. Like, it was very much also, that's.

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So much like a movie. The fact that you were like. Because I didn't smoke, I was out in three days.

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I was out and, like, ostracized and, like, had no friends. And, yeah, it was terrible. But I. But then in high school, like, then I slowly started coming out of my shell more. I was pretty shy. Started high school and then started coming out of my shell and forcing myself to do stuff like public speaking and debating and. And then I became, weirdly, the most popular girl at the school. So I was. I went from, I know what it's like to be so unpopular that you literally have no friends and just are, like, so depressed and. And to being, like, the most popular. And my 16th, my sweet 16th birthday party had a bus load of gate crashes from a whole other school that, like, just heard the party was gonna be super cool and, like, come. It was like the police had to come, like, four times. It was like one of those parties you see in movies. Yes, yes, yes. It turns into a total nightmare. Like, for me it was. Cause I thought the house was gonna get burnt down or some shit. And then. But my 16th was just, like, the most popular thing, so I know what it's like to have be on both sides of the fence of popularity.

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I can heavily relate to that because, like, when my freshman year, I had, like, cystic acne to the point where.

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I did, but your skin so perfect now.

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Oh, well, thank you. And the only reason I ever accept a compliment for my skin is because I was like, I've been through, like, four fucking rounds of accutane. But I remember the first year, I was like, I am, like, going through it. I don't even want to be friends with my. Because of how bad I look. Like, holy fuck. And then by junior year, I was like, I am, like, thriving miss Popular. So I felt the difference between lifestyles.

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Yeah. And I know what it's like. I really know what it's like to have zero friends, and then I know what it's like to be the most popular and you have different problems depending on what's like. But I had, like, this snaggletooth and then I had this chain. My mom was like, I had a tooth up in the roof of my mouth. That's probably a great visual. And then anyway, my mom decides she's gonna get in hospital and they're gonna put a chain up on the tooth to drag the chain to the teeth slowly to position. So I'm like, got this chain inside my mouth. I'm like the dorkiest girl at the start of high school. I know. They could have just removed the tooth.

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You had a little chain.

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Yeah. And a little chain would slowly drag it down and pull on my face.

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Why do I feel like now that trendy?

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Yeah.

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Oh, it looks great.

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Yeah.

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Oh, you're like, yeah, I know. Now I feel like that would be like a TikTok trend where, like, kids have, like, chains on their fucking teeth. Back in the day, you're like, getting bullied for.

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Yeah, but it was like, it was painful. Like, imagine a tooth being dragged all the way. I can't slowly over 18 month period. And then, you know.

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But how was your dating life in high school?

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Okay, so I had one high school boyfriend. I hope people don't listen to this. In Australia, I had one little high school boyfriend called Peter. Hi, Peter, if you're listening. And he went to the boys school next door. And so how we met the boys was that we did theater productions and that was our only interaction with the boys. So I was like, hell, yeah, I'm going to audition and going to be in the shows. And he was the stage manager at the boys school. And then, so he was my little. First little boyfriend. And then what happened is I went on a family holiday to Disneyland. And then he kissed one of my friends at a party. So I was like, goddammit, it's over with. Although I feel like I dumped him. But I looked back at my diaries recently and apparently he kind of just said he wanted to be friends with me and showed me that by kissing one of my other friends. But it was such a big deal at the time because by that point I was very popular and so all the girls had to come to me on the first day of school when I got back from school holidays and say, oh, Peter kissed Leanna.

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And I was just like, oh, that's it. Then he's dumped. And I tried to be tough, but I was really upset by it. And then I think I wrote him a handwritten letter in classic just to. Yeah, because this was before cellphones, of course. And then it was just over with. And then I was like, that's it, boys are trouble. Like, I'm never gonna, like, do it again. I'm just gonna have a career. And I always knew, like, I wanted to have a great career and I wanted to live overseas and do all this stuff with my life. And I was like, yeah, boys are a distraction. Like, fuck them and I'm not be. Yeah. Cause it wasn't a great first experience. But weirdly, like, I never was upset with my friend that had kissed him.

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Oh, that was your direct friend?

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Yeah, she was in my group.

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What did she have to say for herself?

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Well, she was very apologetic. Said it just happened, but because she told me the full story and he didn't, I was like, I was always supportive of her and she. She was a good friend. I don't know how. Yeah, I should have maybe been a little bit angry with her. Yeah, I still. I still. I actually weirdly just got her tickets to Disneyland when she came with her husband. Yeah, just recently, so.

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Wait, that's amazing. You're so close.

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No, she was a great girl. I don't know how I blame him.

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I blame him too. Fuck you, Peter.

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Do you have. I'm over it, though.

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Yeah, we're done. Like, it's totally fine. We weren't just reading the diary entries, like, two days ago. Yeah, we're over it. Did you have any childhood or teenage experiences that heavily impacted the way that you feel around the idea of falling in love?

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Oh, God. Probably the biggest ones was. Well, my parents got separated when I was 16 and that was, like, awful. Like, just awful. Just like parents fighting, having to lose the house and move out. And my mom was a single mom. With four kids. And so at that point, so I was like, my idea of marriage, it's not like I never saw any good marriages or I happy people in relationships. So I think. And then my mom was like, yeah, go out into the world and have a career. So, like, don't, don't be like me. She had me at 24 and she was like, just get out there. So I basically put, like, blinders, like horse blinders on myself and was like, okay, I'm gonna go to college. I'm gonna have a career. I'm gonna make a name for myself. I'm gonna make money. And I was like, no love, no relationships. Cause it'll only bring me pain. And I know now that that's not true. But as a teenager, witnessing, like, what happened to my parents, I was like, oh, I don't want that.

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So you feel like you kinda stayed to yourself for quite some time?

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Yeah.

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And you didn't have any urge to date?

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No. So what happened is, in my twenties, I never dated anybody, not one single person. Not like people were lining up, trust me. Like, they weren't, they weren't like I was, I don't know, still a bit feral. They. So I literally went on not one date. It was only really when I became a successful Hollywood actress that I started, started kind of softening and. Yeah, but before that, I was kind of like, I guess, like olympic athletes, how they have this focus, because to make it in the entertainment industry is really hard, especially when you're like, no one from Australia and you come over here. And so I just had to have, like, these blinders on and was like, I thought that if I was in a relationship or something, it just wouldn't help me as a person to have a career.

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Now, looking back in hindsight, would you, what advice would you give yourself in your twenties?

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Well, the weird thing is it worked. Like, but I was very lonely. And again, I look at my diaries and I'm like, oh, yes, if only I could have love. Like, just like, oh, all these sad things I write in my bloody diary. I found them the other day. That's why I was, like, looking at them. And I was like, holy shit. Like, I was such a loser. But it's just like. But then the thing is, it worked. Like, I mean, I had to be very focused on my career to make it, the odds of making it so small and it really did work. And maybe if I'd found the love of my life at 25, maybe I wouldn't have ever come to Hollywood and I would never have made it in that bigger way. So it kind of worked, but I sacrificed, and I didn't have really any social life or love life back then.

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What insecurities did you have within yourself if you were going to try to date?

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I'm, like, someone who's so a body positive person, but I think at the same time, you can be so confident, but you can also have, like, I don't know, like, not confidence. That's a terrible way of explaining it, but so, like, I had a thing called PCos. So when I was in college, I rapidly gained, like, how many kilos? Like, almost 50 kilos, like, say, 100 pounds. And I rapidly gained it. And then I was playing kind of, like, the fat, funny friend. As an actress, I was, like, never the love interest or never, like. And so I just kind of thought in my real life that I was a great friend to people. And, like, if I'd meet guys or whatever, I'd be, you know, like, they'd think I was hilarious and, like, want to hang out as a friend. But I did always. I think that, oh, well, they'd never romantically liked me because I was so overweight, which is totally the wrong way to think about it. I just wasn't loving myself. But I think it's hard to explain sometimes because I can be so body positive and confident in some ways, but the one way where I wasn't was in my love life.

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I just. I don't know. I was just like, people say there's a thing called chubby chases or whatever, and I never experienced anything like that. Being a bigger girl, I only experienced where people were like, oh, you know, oh, they just want to be my friend and got it. Or I think I'd going on a date. And then it was like, oh, no, we just wanted to hang out. Cause you were fun and cool.

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But, yeah, when I think about, like, pitch perfect in the movie, your character calls herself Fat Amy, and you're like, I'm gonna reclaim this name. Like, if I say it. No one else can. Did someone write that for you, or.

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Did you come up with it? Well, weirdly, I played a character called Fat Mandy in Australia on a sketch show where that character goes to fat camp, essentially. And he's like, oh, I thought this was about celebrating fatness. I didn't know this camp was to lose weight. Like, how shit is that? And so it was a real, like, body positive thing. And then I got sent in the script by Kay Cannon. God, back in the day, over Facebook, and she sends me this script and goes, I hope you're not offended, but the character's called Fat Amy. And I looked at the script, and I'm like, what's she talking about? And then I read it, and I was like, no, no. Fat Amy, I think, is, like, the best character in the whole movie. Like, of course I'd love to play it. And so. And it really didn't offend, I guess. No, it's not. It was, like, to me, that was kind of distinctive about the character, and I love playing her, like, so much. And, like, we had the best fun on pitch perfect movies. And to me, like, it was just awesome to play her.

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Cause she's just so confident and ballsy. And I have, like, part of it is me. Like, a lot of the picture perfect's not really acting. It's kind of just like, us hanging out, but, like. But then there was another part of me who wasn't confident and definitely wasn't confident around guys and was like, oh, God.

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Did you struggle with then your career of people, like, wanting to be like, you're this character, and you're like, hey, I want to also work on myself or whatever it was.

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It kind of. I mean, I I did wait until pitch perfect seemed like it was over. I couldn't lose a massive amount of weight because I was in the contracts for that movie. You can't lose, I think it's not more than ten pounds or gain more than ten pounds. Yeah, you have to kind of stay at the weight, like, in your contract. But I'd been thinking for a while, like, oh, I wanted to get healthier. And I was stereotyped in playing that fat, funny friend, which is so hard because I love those roles. Like, I mean, I love doing the roles. I love those characters. But then I did want to do more things, but I felt like, yeah, being the bigger girl, you're just more pigeonholed. And then as I was approaching 40, I was like. And I was like, oh, well. And it really. It came down to it like a fertility thing. I went to see a fertility doctor, and he was like, well, you know, you'd have a much better chance with fertility if you were healthier. And I was like, oh, God, what's he talking about? Because, like, my life was like a Lizzo song where I'm like, you know, bad bitch o'clock, you know, all that stuff.

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Like, that was my life. And then I've got this stranger saying, yeah, but you're not healthy. Look at you. And then it really hit me hard. Because I was living a fantastic bigger life and then didn't have any serious diseases or anything. And I was like, oh, shit. And then that made me kind of re examine. I was like, well, yeah, if I think about it, I mean, doing things that aren't healthy and because I didn't have a great love life, so I was normally like at home at nights, you know, just eating ice cream, eating chocolate or whatever and which was comforting at the time, but it wasn't like a great move overall. And so I just like, slowly as I was turning 40, then became, became healthier.

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So when was your first real adult relationship and how did you find yourself meeting this person and what was the vibe?

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I think I'm a pretty late bloomer when it comes to love life and that's why I try to tell young women out there, like, don't stress about it because you can be fine and have great sex and everything. Like, it just might come later and that's all right. Like, you don't need to be stressed out about it. But, yeah, but I think my first real relationship was 35, which is really quite late. I mean, not in New York standards where the average age of marriage is like 40, but, yeah, but I was 35 and basically one of my other Bellas, Hannah Mae Lee, had set me up with this guy, pitch perfect two had just come out and I was just like, and he was just so confident and lovely and that was my first serious relationship where like, you know, he met my family and all that stuff and it looked very serious at the time and then, yeah, so it was, yeah, but that's late. I know a lot of people would be, would say like, I don't know, 1718 if you're stressed.

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Listening to this being like, I haven't found the person for me, like, you're a testament to like, don't stress out.

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Yeah. If you're like early twenties I think you should just be like working on your skills. Yes, like working on your business and just like not even worrying about it really because it will come.

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I did read that you decided to say yes to every single date that you were asked on for a year.

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So basically because I knew I was not very experienced in dating, I didn't date at all in my twenties. So I think it was 2019 and I called it the year of love and I was like, that's it, I'm gonna get on a dating app. I'm gonna like anyone who asks me out, I'm gonna like have to say yes. Doesn't matter who they are nobody. It's not like I advertise this so the people in prisons would be, like, writing to me, but I told my friends, and then I was like, okay, is whoever. And Kali, like, we went to Aspen to kickstart it, right? So the first day, January 1, four dates, like, back to back. And we were like, the concierge is probably like, what the hell is going on in that hotel room in Aspen? It's four dudes she's with. And I was like, that's how I roll. So we started off strong, and I actually went on about. Probably dated about 50 people in that one year because I felt like I needed and it was true intentions. Like, I wanted to find love. It's not like I was trying to use people or anything.

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I was trying to find love. And I try to make up for lost time and just go out on these dates. I got very good at going on dates. And you have some funny stories, because sometimes on the dating apps, you never know with people. Got to give it a go and try.

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Totally. Yeah, we. Okay, that is fucking iconic, because what is that Jim Carrey movie where he literally just. It's like, yes, man, yes.

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Everything.

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That's. I'm picturing you being, like, so exhausted. Someone asks you on a date, you're.

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Like, yeah, yes, okay, what time? What restaurant? Okay. Because it's so, so much effort dating. You got to look good. You got to get a blowout. Like, and you know, and then. Because sometimes, you know, you go on the date, and then you can tell within the first minute, like, this is nothing. But I'm such a polite person. I'm gonna sit through the whole dinner for, like, 2 hours and be like, yeah, yeah, tell me more about your cat or something. Like. And I just like, because you're polite, and they've put in the effort to come, and you're like. And then you just go home. Sad because it makes it worse, right?

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You're like, oh, my God. I feel. I've never felt more alone because I feel so disconnected from that man and his kidde. Like, it just can't be me. I'd just rather be alone. I'm assuming there were some wild ones.

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Well, okay. There was one guy apparently worked for some space program or something, because he'll know who he is, and he was like, brought a rose and said, would you mind, like, putting this rose in your mouth? Like, and, like, and I'll dip you and would take a photo. I was like, oh, yeah, sure. Like. And then, like, never heard from him. Again. And I was like, did he just go on the date? Because he wanted to take a photo of dipping me kind of with a rose in my mouth. It was so weird.

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Did the photo ever resurface?

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No, I didn't. Yeah, I don't know what he did with the photo.

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I think I know what he did with the photo.

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Really little.

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Well, every night.

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I don't know. And then he never contacted me ever again. And I thought we had a nice lunch.

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It's like a weird fetish.

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Yeah, but weirdly, like, okay, you got to be safe when you're meeting randoms from the Internet. So I would always, so I was lucky I was never in a sketchy situation because I like always met it. I would never go around to somebody's house or whatever, like, no way. But I was trying to think what one where like, you think the guy's normal heightendeh. And then I met him and he was quite small and it just would have looked weird. Like, it would have, you know, it wasn't for you. Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't for me. So I was just like. But I tried for the 2 hours to have a nice conversation with him and then. Yeah, but I just, you know, and then you just feel like you've wasted a whole night, a whole Saturday night, and you're like, oh, gosh.

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That's what I feel like. Most people when they're on the apps and when they're trying to get out into the dating world, it's like, how did you keep the mentality of, like, to go on to the other?

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I felt like, this is one year. Yep. You know, and I've got to put in the effort and you just, it's like a numbers game at times. And you got to put yourself out there and get used to putting yourself out there. And even though it's hard, like, it's annoyingly hard, like, oh, God, it's much easier to stay at home on the couch and eat takeaway. But I was like, nah, okay, I'm doing it for this year and I'm focused on it. And I did meet some awesome people.

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Do you remember what, like, the best date was, where you were like, okay, that was like fucking normal. Like, thank God.

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Ah, I'm trying to think. There were this lovely guy called Chris who I dated from Raya, the dating app. And he was in the music industry, but was just like a really nice guy, loving guy and, and then just how he kissed me after the first date and I, and I was just like, ah. Like, it was so nice. Yeah, it was so nice. And he was just a gentleman and, like, yeah. And so that. And I did end up dating him for a few months. Yeah.

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You know what's funny, though? I remember going on a series of dates and always wondering, though, like, do I really like him, or did he just come right after a really bad one? And so now I'm like, oh, he's doing bare minimum. He, like, opened the door and, like, I'm like, this is. This is right.

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This is a good vibe. Well, from all that experience, you kind of learned what you like and what you don't like. And that was something I didn't have from going to an all girls school and then not dating.

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What did you learn that you liked?

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So, I mean, well, like, that thing about the bare minimum. I've seen a lot of girls put up with the bare minimum and. And settle for dudes that are not, like, quite giving them a lot. Like, it's not a fair deal in a way. And so then there was this one guy, and then, I don't know, I took him to, like, a la Rams game, like, some nice dates, and then I noticed he's not setting up any of the dates. It's like, me inviting him to stuff all the time. I was like, you know what? I don't like that he's not putting in the effort. That's it. And then I dumped him. And then he was quite shocked. Quite a good looking guy. And then I was like, well, you didn't put in the effort. And if you're not. And I. But I would never have known that had you not. Yeah, yeah. Had I not gone on all these dates and seen how, you know. Yeah, people treat you and seen what I liked and didn't like.

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When you look back, what do you feel like you, like, really learned about yourself throughout that time, even though it was.

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I called it year of love, and I. It was really about me finding, like, my self worth through it, even though I thought it was about finding a husband at that time, I was like, okay, this is what it's about. It wasn't really about that. It was really about self worth and knowing that I was lovable and finding that. And I know I was, like, a big, successful movie star, but you still struggle with, like, oh, well, maybe I just meant to be people's friends all my life, or, you know, never supposed to find that one person and that connection. That's amazing.

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Did you ever struggle with that, of wondering if the person was, like, in it for the wrong reasons of, like, they're with me because I'm famous or I'm funny.

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Yeah. Once I became, like, pretty internationally famous from pitch perfect. Really? When I was 32, like, I did then start to, you do for a hot second go. But then I had the opposite of a guy who came to a premiere and had a panic attack because of the. The kind of attention, and I had the opposite, so where the fame was a hindrance to him wanting to date me, so. But the majority of the time, you find dudes would kind of like it.

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Right. The guy with the panic attack, you're like, wait, I love you. Let's keep you around.

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Yeah. Oh, I was. I wanted to date him more after that.

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That's the sexiest panic attack I've ever seen on someone.

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Oh, he was so cute, but it wasn't meant to be.

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What is the hardest breakup that you've ever been through, and how did you come out of it?

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Oh, do you know what's weird? I'm. I'm the one that breaks up with people. I've not been. I know. I've not been, like, apart from that high school thing, which was a bit gray area. Yeah, apart from that. Oh, wait, no, there was one person. There was one person who said they didn't want a relationship with me. They were like, crush me because we would, like texting and messaging for ages, for, like, months and months, and then they go, no, they have to focus on their work and not on me and can't have a relationship. And yes, that time. I can't believe I forgot about that.

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Were you completely blindsided?

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Yeah, because, you know, if you're messaging someone every day, like multiple times a day and stuff, you. You think there's something there.

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Oh, yeah.

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But then when we're in the same city and then they're like, nah. And then I was thinking, well, why are they messaging me all the time? Yeah, yeah, no, that. That one, actually. But that wasn't a. I wasn't in a relationship.

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I was just communicating with texting relationships.

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Yeah.

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It can be completely addicting where it's like, you're safe space and, like. But it's also really detrimental sometimes because it's not real. You can have a complete separate life and no one know who you're texting.

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And so. And it was like this thing I had in my mind, and I was, like, thinking, oh, yeah, well, when we do get together, then it's going to be this whole thing because we know each other so well from the texting. And, you know, voice messaging and everything. I love a good voice message. Love a good voice message. I do, like, five minute soliloquies on the phone all the time, you know, so it's just like, I felt like there was something that when I asked my friend Matthew, he goes, oh, you know, you were thinking of the castle when you hadn't even bought the land yet. And I was like, yeah, you're right, you're right. I was thinking ahead, thinking this was gonna be something. And then. Yeah. And then I was. I was let down. But that was. That hurt. That really. And as a person in the public eyes, I'm not gonna say who it was, but, like, I was like, yeah. So I was just like, oh. But, you know, I was investing a lot. Texting every day.

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But I. Correct me if I'm wrong, you probably never did that type of situation again, right, where you was all testing.

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Well, now, I'd never. Some people call it emotional masturbating or something. Where you, like, you if you meet somebody and then you're like, oh, my God, okay. Our kids would look like this and we could live here and I could. Yeah, I'd give up parts of my career for them. And, like, you think you've pictured this whole future and you're not even dating. You haven't even. Yeah. Like, you haven't even had a relationship.

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Emotional masturbating.

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I've heard it's crazy.

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Oh, I'm gonna use that all night.

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I was like, oh, yeah, it's gonna be great. I was gonna have this life with this person.

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He's like, rebel. We haven't even, like, had sex. Yeah, I didn't see you. I won't take you out in public.

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Yay.

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Wow. Okay, so daddy gang. Listening. Remember, if you are, like, in the.

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World texting, you have to meet the person. And that's why when I met my current girlfriend, Ramona, we. It started with texting and talking for two weeks before we met in person. But I was like, fuck this. I'm getting on a plane. I'm going to meet her because I'm not going to get into another situation of texting. Yeah.

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Let's talk about your relationship. Because that was my next question. How did you meet?

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A mutual friend called Hugh set us up, who'd known me for eight years and her for five years, but we'd never met, weirdly. And he was just like, I was having all these problems with guys, and he's like, maybe you should just date Ramona. And I was like, oh, who's this? Ramona. And then he, like, introduced us, but we had this, like, immediate connection on, like, the voice texts. Like, I heard her voice, and I was like, oh, yeah, that's sexy. But then I was like, okay, I'm not gonna make the same mistake. I'm gonna go and meet her. And I flew from Australia just to meet her.

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And to confirm, was this your first relationship with a woman? To confirm, was this your first relationship with a woman?

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Yes.

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So were you surprised that you were, like, falling for a woman?

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Well, there were signs. When I look back at. Back at things, there was definitely signs. I thought I was straight ish. Like, I didn't think I was 100% straight, but I didn't know how to label that. And especially on the dating apps and stuff, like, where they're like, oh, you have to tick what you are or something. And I didn't like that. So, like, there were definitely signs. And I'd kissed a woman in a film, a lovely french actress, Charlotte Gainsbourg, who's so classy and french, and I'd kissed her about six months earlier, and that was. I see it, that there's, like, an opening of really, I've had a few friends who have kissed women in tv shows, movies, and then kind of went into a same sex relationship because I'm.

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Interested to know, like, after that film moment where you were like, yeah. Huh. You just didn't do anything about it.

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It just was like, oh, it wasn't such a big deal. And I was like, oh, well, I just kissed a woman, and it's not even that big of a deal.

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Right.

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Whereas I guess when I grew up in a very christian environment, it would have been a huge deal in the high school to say you were also attracted to women or. Totally, yeah. So it was just a part of my personality I never quite explored. And then, yeah. And then it kind of. I think having a few little things happen and then meeting Ramona, I was just open to it. I was still a bit scared, like, because it was different to dating guys, and. But then it was just like, oh, she was just so awesome. And we just had such a good, deep connection, like, right from the get go, and so I was like, aw, see it all. And then it felt all. Yeah, it felt right.

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So how did you navigate because you're such a public figure, like, how did you navigate coming out publicly?

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Well, like, it wasn't something we hid. Like, I remember we went to the Vanity Fair, Oscar's party and stuff together, and it was like, it wasn't a big deal. I didn't think, like, in this day and age, you have to, like, come out or anything. I didn't really.

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You shouldn't have to.

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No. And so I. So it was. We weren't hiding it. We were just slowly telling people and our families and stuff, and I wanted to make sure it was a really real thing before I told certain people. And then. So. Yeah, but then this journalist threatened to out us in Australia, and so I had to do an Instagram post to make it because I didn't want him to. It's not his story to tell it, it's mine. And so I was like, well, screw you. I'm just gonna put it on the Internet then, which was probably. I was probably close to doing it anyway, but it just kind of sped it up. And I remember my mom had to go around to my grandparents house in the middle of the night to tell them so that they didn't find out on Instagram because they would have felt out of the loop. I got two grandparents in their nineties, and so that was pretty funny.

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In hindsight, grandma and grandpa promised her in the loop, but the psycho reporter over here is about to drop a bombshell, so let me tell you first.

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Yeah, so let me tell you. I'm dating a woman, and her name's Ramona. They love her now.

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Like, yeah, I was gonna ask, coming from, like, a, you know, christian family, like, how did your parents and your family handle it?

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My family was just so amazing. It was incredible. It was like. And I go, mom, you remember Ramona, who you've heard on the phone? She's like, yeah. I go, oh, I'm dating her. And she's like, oh, and Ramona's a woman. I'm like, yeah, and you're dating her? And I go, yeah. She's like, oh, that's great, darling. Like, literally not a second of. I don't know. I didn't. You don't know? Sometimes you can see your parents are cool with gay people and whatever, but you don't know until you actually tell them as the daughter. Oh, I am now in a same sex relationship. You don't know how they're going to react, but it was nothing. Oh, my God. My family was so supportive. Ramona's family, they're a bit even more. They come from eastern european countries, so they're not as accepting, but hopefully it'll. It'll turn around, so, you know. But my family was like, they were so awesome.

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Do you have advice for maybe people that are not in the industry that are wanting to come out to their families and, like, don't know how they're gonna react, but, like, well, first of.

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All, like, I mean, I was, like, a 42 year old woman and very successful and a boss bitch in so many ways, and so it's hard. Like, it's awkward, and you gotta have these conversations, and not just once, often on multiple occasions. I just said, sat down, my sisters, and I'm like, guys, I have something to tell you. Come in this bedroom now. And they come in because they come over for the Super bowl. And then I was like, so you're meeting somebody tomorrow, Ramona. And I'm dating her, blah, blah. But, like. Cause that was. They were the first people of family members I told, and, God, it was awkward. And luckily, they just said, oh, that's great. You know, like, they didn't care. But you feel like it's such a big deal, and I don't know why. It's because it's not, like, with straight people, they have to talk about their sexuality or whatever. And, like, I never. When I was dating guys, never had to have that conversation. Like, hey, guys, I'm dating this guy, right? And, yeah. So it was just. I don't know. Like, it's. I really. I understand how. How hard it is for people and.

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And especially if you come from a conservative family. Like, I have, like, how hard it is to do it, but I was met with nothing but love and positivity by it, so I was like, oh. And it was so nice. It was so, so nice. And I think the best thing is just to live your authentic life. And, like, you know, I do see people in the industry, you know, hiding who they are in public and stuff. And I just was, like, the moment I met Ramona, and I knew it was a real thing, and we just. We were slowly telling people, but. But, yeah, that whole. Yeah, I just didn't want to hide it. I thought, oh, God, it's 2022 now. You can just be whoever.

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When you look at this relationship with Ramona, how is this relationship to you, who you are in it, what it means to you, different from all the past dating experiences, relationships that you've had?

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It was from dating all these dudes. And then I'd always be complaining, like, oh, well, that dude is not romantic. And then Ramona, from our first ever Valentine's Day, I mean, she gave me this little bracelet that's got two hearts to signify her and my heart. Little thing from Tiffany's, and then she made me, like, wait in one room while she decorated the whole house, and she had a whole menu of activities for Valentine's Day. I've never had that whole menu of activities and things. And she brought all the decorations. It was the most romantic thing ever. And I. And I was always saying with dudes, oh, they're not romantic. Like, I put in effort and. And try to do nice things, and they never do nice things. And then he was somebody that just, like, blew me away with how thoughtful and kind she was and caring, and I was like, it was insane. It was, like, the best Valentine's day I've ever had.

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That's amazing. Were you in the process of having a baby before you met Ramona? And, like, what was that conversation like.

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To start family together? So I'd already been doing the fertility stuff, and I'd already had the surrogate, and so. But I didn't want it because I had an experience with where it didn't. It didn't work out, and we had a miscarriage with the first surrogate, and so the second one, I wanted to wait till, like, the first trimester was over, but this was, like, literally a few months into dating Ramona, and I have to say, oh, God, I'm having a baby. And I know this is something that you didn't know, and so if it's too much for you and you want to leave me, like, I totally understand. I kind of said it with a sad face on. If you want to leave me, like, you can. And she was just so great about it and was like, oh, my God, like, I adore you, and I'm going to adore your baby probably even more. And so she was so great. I wonder whether it was a dude, if they would have been that accepting of a child that wasn't their biological child. And I do think, God, maybe it was fate, and I was meant to meet her then.

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And then Ramona was right there at the birth of the baby. She wasn't originally supposed to. It was just going to be me in the room. And then we're like, oh, well, Ramona's here. Like, oh, yeah, okay, come and we watch the baby pop out together.

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How has motherhood changed you, personally?

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A lot. Like, it changes your life. But I feel like I was in such a place, like, ready, and I've been trying for a few years to have a baby, and so she's just my little miracle, little Rocy, and she's just so cute, but it's so hard to. All the mums out there. Watching it is so hard. Yesterday, I don't think I put on clothes till 04:00 p.m. that's just in my nightgown, walking around with a baby. I get so feral on some days. I mean, obviously, I'm put together today because I've come to talk to you, but I was like, it's really hard. Like, it's hard. I have to probably be more discerning about what jobs I take now, but I was so in a place. I was so ready and so stable, have such a good life that I'm ready to, like, give a lot to my child now. And it's. But it's such a blessing. But it's so hard.

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Totally. How has your relationship between you and Ramona changed since having this child?

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I think it's, like, only gotten stronger team, and, like, I think it's just made me and Ramona, like, an instant family, and. Yeah, but we'd been dating for, like, almost a year by the time Rosie arrived.

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Let's talk about your new dating app, fluid.

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Okay.

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Why did you start this? What has your, like, experience been with apps in the past? Tell me about it.

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Well, like, I've had a bit of experience with dating apps because I was on Raya, but then I was like, what if there's somebody out there like me that doesn't quite have a label on their sexuality? Because it was weird when at one point I went on Raya and ticked the box for interested in women as well. It felt like. Cause you'd tick interested in men, interested in women. And I was like, it just felt weird to have to label myself or categorize myself. So I was like, well, what if there was a dating app that didn't have to do that? And then there's so many studies that, like, there was one study in 2020 with Gen Z saying that 48% of people in Gen Z identify as being sexually fluid. And I was like, okay, it's got to be it. I'm going to, like, create an app with my friends, call it fluid. And it's where you don't have to categorize or describe either yourself or what you're interested in. The app just learns by how you vibe with people and how you're. What you like. You know, the profiles you like and stuff.

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And it will learn to kind of what your preferences are without you having to say, oh, I'm bisexual, I'm pansexual. I'm straight. I'm this. You don't have to say. It's just, you're open to love and you can get on there without any labels or judgment and like, yeah, find a match.

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So when can we.

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Cutting edge, guys. It's cutting edge. Cutting edge. And you can download it. Valentine's day. That's perfect, because it's the day of love. The day of love, yeah. And normally, I was the kind of person who was, like, so sad on Valentine's day. I'm going, oh, I have no love. I buy myself flowers. I did that in high school once. I bought myself with an anonymous card, and then I walked around all the other girls with my bunch of flowers going, oh, somebody's really attracted to me. Like an idiot. I love it. But I guess, I mean, it's such an awesome place now. And so creating fluid was just, like, to create something that I didn't feel existed and. And to help other people find. Find love in however form that will be, which is awesome.

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I have one more question.

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Okay.

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So I had Adam Devine on, ah, yeah, work husband.

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Oh, last week.

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Yes, last week. And so I asked him, I want you, if you can, to impersonate rebel. And then I'm gonna have her impersonate you.

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Oh, that's so hard. I feel like she's just gonna be like, I'm Adam. Just with, like, weird energy just bouncing all over the place. Okay, I got it.

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Okay.

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Hello, it's sort of british. Hello, it's me, Rebel Wilson. I'm the lead singer of the Beatles. I can't do it, Alex. I can't do it. No, it's so good.

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It's so good. It's so good. I literally, I was trying to do it earlier and I was like, that's why she's iconic. I can't do it.

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Hello, I'm Rebel Wilson. I'm the, I play bass in Oasis. And she's australian. She's not even from England, but I don't know.

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I think you're only doing english accent.

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Because I can't do Australian.

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He was struggling so hard.

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He's like, fuck.

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Like, why can I not get this? I had to play.

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I'm really hard to impersonate.

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So hard.

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I'm really hard.

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No one can do.

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They tried to do me once on SNL, and they're like, nah, my voice is really hard to do, which is great.

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I mean, you're very unique. There you go. Do you think you could do an impersonation of Adam?

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He's like, adam just does all these faces. Like, I like that. Like, that's my fascination about like, and then he does these dance moves all the time. He does this a lot. And he does the man splits, which are, like, he's freakily flexible and he does the splits, but his voice, I don't know. Hi, guys. No, I sound like a south park character. Hey, guys. Yeah, he's. But he normally does these traces, and he does this a lot like that. He does that.

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It's so accurate.

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Yeah. But, yeah. I call Adam my work husband because we work together on so many things, and he's just the cutest.

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So good. Rebel, thank you so much for coming on. Call her daddy.

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It is such a pleasure.

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Wait, don't you feel like Raya? I used to be on it. Raya is so interesting to me because I. When I was living in New York, I used to be on it.

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Yeah.

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And I would be swiping around, and it was, like, New Zealand, England, California, and it was like, I'm. I can't go on my first fucking date to Australia. Although, like, Ben looked beautiful, and it looked like it would be probably.

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I think I went out with an australian guy called Ben. Was he, like, super hot? It's probably the same guy.

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We have totally dated the same guy as rebel.