What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy.

Finally, we did it. We did it. We're here.

How's your mic feeling?

What do you mean? I can't hear myself.

But is it close enough?

I mean, it's fine.

Listen, normally I do it with headphones. So it's a little mind fucky.

So yeah. So I don't feel like I'm doing a real podcast right now.

Should we be doing headphones?

No, I look so much better like this, I think. You look great.

I used to do headphones, and I was like, It's giving more ogre vibe because it's just so... I'm just calling you an ogre because you wear headphones in your podcast. But you know what I'm saying?

No, it does. But I feel like I can't... Well, I'm not leading this podcast. You are. I can't lead properly if I can hear other things. Okay.

Do you have ADHD?

You're like, no. I mean, I used to be addicted to Adderall, but I think I was just abusing it. I don't think I actually needed it.

No doctor prescribed me Adderall. I did it myself. I did it. That's fair. I didn't even introduce you. Stasi Schroeder, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

Thank you. I'm so excited. No, I know everyone says that, but I'm ridiculously excited. And this room is so chic. I'm just so obsessed with the color of this.

It just is so good. These used to be orange, and I got them in here and I was like, this needs to immediately change. You don't feel Call Her Daddy vibes from this. What is that noise?

A fucking plane. What do you mean?

Sorry. No, Because there has been something happening with our air conditioner recently that it sounds... And then I don't focus. Probably I should be wearing headphones. How did you pick your outfit today? We were just talking about this.

Okay, wait, no. I have to tell you this, okay? Because I haven't stressed out this much about a fucking outfit. I can't even tell you. It was harder to pick an outfit for this right now than it is to go on tour, go on a red carpet, fancy outfits, because let me explain. Okay. I want to match your vibe. I'm not here to act like I'm going to some fancy gala- But you could. While you're wearing sweat pants and a T-shirt. But Alex, not everyone looks as cute as you do in sweat pants as a T-shirt. And when you're pregnant and you feel like you look like a beast, it's extra hard. So it would have been easier for me to just really find a nice dress or outfit that's chic and nice and cool, maybe a little bit businessy. I don't know, whatever. But this, These are literally, I think this is $10 from H&M. It's good.

No, I'm not kidding you.

These are maternity leggings.

You walked in and I said, I literally didn't notice you were pregnant for a second. I have questions about you being pregnant, but I forgot. And I'm not just gasting you up. I'd be like, You look pregnant. No.

Pregnant women everywhere need to hear that. You know what? If you see a pregnant woman on the street, just be like, You didn't even look pregnant. It took me a while to realize that's what we want to hear. It's true.

And the outfit is great because you were worried, Am I sitting? Can you see my belly? First of all, let it rock. But also, because you're wearing all black, you can't really see it. That's what I'm here for. And the chairs are like, Also, who gives a fuck? You're pregnant. That's amazing.

I know, but I'm not one of those. I wish I was one of those women, Rihanna, that has her belly out. I'm like, God, she looks so good. There are so many women that look so great like that. I've never felt that way. I feel best when I'm in bags.

This bag is looking phenomenal today.

Thank you.

So you're pregnant. How are you feeling?

Honestly, I feel really good because this pregnancy isn't during... It feels like it's my first pregnancy because my first one was during COVID, so I wasn't allowed to leave my house. Got it. You know what I mean? So I'm able to live my life this time around. I'm able to work. I'm able to travel. I'm able to go to restaurants.

You probably didn't have anyone being super sweet to you and holding the door.

No, I never got that experience. I never got... And that is a rite of passage as a pregnant woman to be treated like a fucking queen. Wow. And you didn't get that. Now I'm getting it. So I'm just feeding off of that energy. Okay.

I do love that for you because I agree with you. Pregnancy and COVID obviously probably had pros of you don't have to leave the house. You can just- Yeah.

So when you did look like a beast. It didn't matter. No one was there.

But I'm sure your husband still loved you so much.

He says he did.

We're not divorced yet. So how does he handle your pregnancy? What is he like when you're pregnant?

I mean, he really is great. I really did luck out with that. But he can't... He says that... He's like, I give you compliments all the time. I tell you how beautiful you are. I want to have sex with you all the time. I'm always coming after you. And I'm like, it doesn't matter. I need to hear those things from other women. I need to hear I look beautiful from I need the compliments from other women. He tries so hard to make me feel good about myself. And of course, I want my husband to desire me and want me and think I'm beautiful and all those things. But there's just something about a compliment from another woman that really is what feeds my soul. That's what keeps me going.

No, I get what you're saying. It's like there's a difference between men objectifying us where we get it. And obviously, some men also love when women are pregnant, too.

No, Bo is like that. So Bo is like, I look, I I mean, yeah, you talk about sex a lot. Oh, please. Yeah, I don't know why. Don't wait. I don't know why.

This is Good Morning, America.

Sorry, sorry, brain fog. No, it's okay. No, he's like, I love your pregnant body. It's so sexy. I love when you change in front of me. I love all this. And I just feel gross house. So I'm just like, no. I mean, thank God. Because imagine if he was somebody who- No. Who didn't like a pregnant body.

Which that is actually something I've thought about. I've heard women say he really just wasn't into the pregnancy thing. And in In my mind, I'm like, I don't know if I could be with a partner that doesn't at least fucking fake it. But I guess you could probably tell if they fake it. You totally would be able to tell. Matt, my partner, I'm not pregnant, and I pray to God I can get pregnant. But if I get pregnant, all he talks about is like, oh, my God. I don't know how I'm going to control myself. And I'm like, What?

Yes, but see, at least you have that. So it doesn't matter what side effect, pregnancy side effect, he will still be so into you. But at the same time, it's a burden because I don't feel sexual whatsoever at all.

I was going to ask you, how do you handle... I think women are great online that talk about their pregnancy, but there's a little too much glamorization from what I've heard from some moms of It's not all fucking great. And sometimes you feel shit about yourselves, and sometimes it's not the sexiest that you're feeling. And so can you talk about the real shit of, how are you feeling with your sex life?

Oh, my God. No. I literally have zero sex drive. But I will say that I am I'm a champion, and I take one for the team in my household, and I don't let it go a week and a half. If it's a week and three days, I'm like, I should probably do this. I'm being selfish right now.

No, but I think that's so relatable, and I feel like people don't like to talk about that. Sometimes you got to just... And it's different if you're cooking up with a random guy and you're like, I guess I have to sleep with him. No, this is your husband. It's your relationship. Sometimes you're like, I'm aware I have no sex drive. I still love you and I'm attracted you.

And I him to feel good about himself. And it does bond us. It's like once we do it, I'm like, Oh, I'm so glad I did this. I should do this more.

Isn't that the worst with sex? You're like, if sometimes you're two in your head or you have no sex drive that month or whatever it is, you're like, I literally can't even get myself there. I know I love him, but I'm not there. And then afterwards, you're like, We should do that more. And they're like, Fuck you. I know. Fuck you. I literally ask you all the time. I know. Sometimes it just takes going through the act.

Yes, 100 %.

Okay, do you have an alter ego when you're pregnant?

This is how I think of myself. When I'm pregnant, I feel like I'm Santa. I'm not joking. I just feel like this round, jolly being.

What is your alter ego? He's like, So I'm Santa through and through.

Don't get it- No, for real. I look in the mirror and I'm like, Everything's round, and I'm just jolly. And I'm just, I'm so excited about the baby, and I'm sober. I I don't get depressed that easily when I'm pregnant.

You're not having the up and down of getting hammered one night, waking up, regretting your life. Backing up, you are the queen of OOTDs. I remember literally back in the day, everyone would start hashtagging it, but you really owned it. You're like, this is my motherfucking outfit of the day.

I bought a national holiday. What a waste of money. Honestly, that's so cringe. You actually bought it? You have to buy it. You don't just get to own holidays for free, Alex.

How How much did it cost? Is this going to be embarrassing?

It's so embarrassing. I think it was $40,000. No, it's so embarrassing. And you guys, I would not do it again. I would never just throw away that money to have a holiday. But at the time, I was like, oh, this is good branding. I was just in business mode. My book was coming out. I'm like, I think that this is good branding. So it's like, I'm putting money into my career. That's how I felt.

But no, I mean- Hold on. What exactly... That feels like when people buy a fucking star in the sky. Can't we all just point that one time? Honestly, it's the same fucking thing. What day is it?

It's June 30th. Okay.

And it's not on all of our calendars. Apple didn't upload. So how do we even know you own it? What was the point of buying it?

Well, so can I tell you something? Can I tell you something? That you own it for a year. And I didn't know that. And so the next year came around and they were like, all right, you got to pay for it again. I think it was just the same amount of money. I'm like, you're out of your fucking mind. This is lifetime commitment that you think I'm going to spend this every year. So now, technically, I think on the list, if you were to search the list, my name isn't even up there anymore. But everyone on Instagram, it's already been hashtagged and all of that.

But do you really think you had to buy it?

They thought I would. Honestly, Alex, $4,000. I'm so embarrassed. I'm so embarrassed. No, I think it's- I don't care if people come for me because I deserve to be come for.

I agree. But I think it also gives, though, a little credit to you really were committed. And you are- To the OOTJ. I also just can't believe it was $40,000 for a year. Yeah.

No, a year.

Maybe not the best business decision. No. But I respect it. You loved it.

You know who I respect? The people who came up with this business.

I love what you say.

The people who are just who are like, You know what? I'm going to own a national social media calendar. How does one get the authority?

And were you just like, a little miss googling? How do I get my own day?

And I think I asked my agents or my publicist, and I was like, How do I find my own holiday?

And they were like- I want one. Okay, well, this does go give you credibility. Why? I don't know. I just feel like that gives you some type of credibility. In the fashion world, you're giving You're dedicated.

First of all, the fashion world, they don't say OOTD.

No, you're right.

I just literally ostracized myself from the fashion world.

You're never getting invited to anything fashion. 100 %. But you like fashion. I love it. Yeah. Okay. What clothing staple did you use to wear that you would not be caught dead in now? What's something that you were like, oh, I fucking love this shit. Now you're like, huh?

Statement necklaces. I rode so hard for statement necklaces.

I remember that.

But you know what? They will I'm not going to come back again. Not in the way that I wore them before. I mean, they weighed me down. It was like they were battle, like to wear into battle, like the plates of armor. It's insane if you look back on like, Vanner Pumper I was in one of those interviews. I'm like, who, how did I think that that- Like your whole chest. That was the outfit. But it will come back.

I was going to ask you, what's a trend that you're so not into? But I don't really care about trends because it always comes back. It's not an actual trend. It's like, this is fashion, and it's just what's in, what's not. Sure, but it's going to come back. It does.

It always comes back. Now I'm to the point, God, I love Gen Z. I really do. I really appreciate them because they have this It's like anything goes mentality about fashion and clothing that I just really fucking love because I feel like while they do follow trends, they don't. At the same time, it's just express yourself and wear what you feel comfortable in and what you like. And I've found what looks I like. And whether they're dated or not, I don't care. And Gen Z gave me permission.

You know what? I agree with that because I feel like back in the day when I was growing up, if you didn't have the double-popped Ibercrombie polo with the lace and the denim skirt and the leggings, and then you're like, you're a loser.

Who were you? You were nobody.

Exactly. You were a loser. You weren't in the in-crow. And so I remember begging my mom, I know this is so expensive, but this is literally for my social equity. I'm not going to be respected on dress down days if I can't wear this. 100 %. No one actually cares that much anymore. No one cares.

You can get away with so much. What a glorious time to live in.

You're right. And everyone loves to dupe. Everyone's down for... If it's real, actually, people are like, that's ask.

Why are you spending money? Why are you buying national holidays? That's giving the same energy. Wait, can I just say this? Yeah. Okay. So when you were in Milan, you were there for Prada, right? I was just talking to my hair and makeup person about this. I was like, Alex and Prada is such a good mix and vibe and relationship. You are such a good Prada girly. I hope that that- Keeps going. That keeps going and just builds into just something bigger because I would not have thought that. Me neither. Until I saw your phone up.

Me neither. Me neither. Stop.

Because I just see you just being casual and everything. But then I saw you in your looks.

I'm like, yes. I really appreciate that because I will say I was nervous because I, too, never envisioned what fashion house would I jive with the most. And when I found the Prada moment, it felt so me, and I actually felt so comfortable and confident, which I never fucking going into these type of events feel confident because I'm a poser. I don't wear this shit all the time. But now Prada, I've started to buy my own shit from Prada and be like, I actually feel like if I'm dressing up, Prada feels right for me.

No, it does. So I appreciate that. It really fit well. I loved it.

This is a really random fact that I learned on Selling Sunset, and I don't know if it's true for everyone, so I need to ask you this. On Selling Sunset, there was a woman that's pregnant, and it was her first time being pregnant. And she was asking advice from other moms, and the other mom was like, Oh, by the way, girl, you can't shave your V after a certain amount of time. No, I can't see.

I go rogue. No, literally. This morning, I guess. You just guess. I literally feel around, and I'm like, Hmm.

Okay, that's good to know. So you actually can't see it. But then that woman was like, So I just didn't touch it. I think it'd be way too itchy for me. And then she was like, or have your man do it.

Oh, no. I don't trust him with a razor. That just does not sound enjoyable. No, you can't see at a certain point. You You just have to feel for it. Yeah, I can't grow it out. It's way too itchy. Right. Because that's what I was thinking.

At least if you can't see your vagina over the belly, you're at least going to go rogue. But you're not getting it completely bald. You're just getting it down to a place where you're comfortable that you're not itchy.

I mean, I try to get it, but I try to do as much.

And you're just like, you can't see shit.

I can't see shit. I mean, we've done it for so long. That's true. It's like muscle memory.

No, that's true. I do have a lot of women that still write in that are like, Can you give us a tutorial on how to shave? And I'm like, Girls, let's not- Wait, it's really easy. This show, you can come here for a lot of things. I feel like you can look it up somewhere and we don't need to go that... Okay, and if you're pregnant doing it, someone that's not pregnant and you can see that shit.

Just take your time. No excuse. Yeah. Okay.

You have written two New York Times best sellers. Congratulations. Thank you. You little brainiac over there.

It is really exciting. When I hear other people say it, I'm like, God. We all suffer from imposter syndrome. I feel like all of us. We all do. It's like, well, I wouldn't have that if I wasn't on the show and blah, blah, blah. And I wouldn't have that if this didn't happen. But no, that's really fucking cool. No, it is really cool.

And I think it's also amazing that you've done two You now?

I'm working on my third right now. Yeah.

Wait, how long does it take you to write a book?

A long time. I worked on the proposal six months. Six months I worked. And it wasn't like that for my second book. And my first book actually came a lot quicker to me also. This third one, it's harder because I'm really trying to be... The way that I write, it's like I have to be specific about... Like with one thesis, and then Everything spiders from that. And I'm just struggling. I was struggling a little bit with what that was. So it took me a really long time just to do the proposal.

Well, I was going to say, I think there's so many people in Hollywood that have that one book, and they're like, peace out. I just wanted to say I wrote a book. Clearly, you really like doing this.

Oh, no, I love it. And that's why I started for the first one. I was like, I want it to be a handbook so that if I wanted to keep going, the theme could change. So it's always still a basic bitch handbook to something. It's just depending on what's going on in my life.

It's such a good idea, and so I want to play a game. Okay. So the whole basic bitch handbook, clearly, first question is, can you help us all decipher what is the difference or is there a difference between Chugi and basic?

Okay, well, personally, what I think. I think Chugi is cringe. It's like cringe clothing or cringe things that... I don't know. There's a cringe element to Chugi. I personally think that anything that's basic, it's just leaning in so hard to something that you really love and doing that unapologetically. It's like if you really love rom-coms or if you really love murder docs and just leaning in and it's like, Oh, God, you're so basic. But it makes me happy. It brings me joy. It's leaning into the things that really bring you joy and not giving a fuck if it's like, What's cool?

Basic to me is a timeless situation where basic also means that a lot of people, though, are doing it, and it's just something that is timeless. Yeah.

And there's a reason those things are popular because they feel good or they make you happy or, I don't know, they fucking spark joy. So So I love being basic.

Santa over here. You're like, I can say it. You can't say it, Alex. Okay, we're playing a game. You're going to tell me if it's basic or not. Okay. And also, you can just give me your thoughts on the topic in itself. Okay, number one, Aperal Spritz. Are you fucking... That's the most basic. No, it's my favorite drink of the whole world. I crave it every day.

That's the worst part of pregnancy. The worst part is that I can't have multiple Aperal Spritz all day, every day. Dude, okay. I make Bo make them, so I'm like, I'm going to have three sips, and I literally swish it around my mouth for as long as I can. You spit it out? No, I swallow it. It's like my baby can handle a few sips of an Aperal Spritz. But I literally swish it and hold it in there, and I'm like, Oh, that felt good. That feels good.

That feels good. I love them so much, and I think people consider them basic, but I think they're great. So that's great. Okay, get ready with me, videos.

Oh, my God. So I didn't know what this was. And I'm a big TikTok fan. Okay. And all of a sudden, I just kept seeing G-R-W-M everywhere. And I was like, Grown woman? I literally was like, What the fuck is everybody writing Grown woman? What is this stuff? Because not all get ready with me videos look the same. They weren't all makeup. Some of them are picking outfits. So there was no theme right away.

And most of the time it's a woman doing it.

Yes. So I thought grown woman was the vibe. And it took me a few months to I realized. I feel like that it was get ready with me. And this is the thing. I tried one. I put one out three weeks ago. How did it do? I feel like the kids loved it. Although I will say Everyone was commenting, being like, Wow, 2016. And I'm like, oh, wait, I was trying to do a thing. I was really trying to do a get ready with me. And everyone's like, this is so nostalgic. You do your makeup like it's 2016. But I'm like, that's because it works for me.

Who cares? At least you're not trying to pretend you're in a generation you're not.

Yeah, putting the foundation, letting it drop on your face. And I can't fuck with that. It kills It bothers me. Every get ready with me that I see that people are just dropping the liquid on their face. It's so not appealing.

Wait, how do you do it? I don't do it. Are you telling me you drop it on your face? No, I don't. I don't. I'm just interested. How do you do it?

Okay, well, I take my foundation and I have a tin and I pour some out, and then I use- In your hand? No, on a tin. Oh, tin. And then I use a brush or a sponge and a normal fucking person, and then do the damn thing.

Do you think they're on to something that we don't know, though? No. I don't either.

I think they're bored, and I think that they're just coming up with new ways to do makeup when what works already is there. I don't get it.

The fact that you thought that it was grown woman- No, listen, Alex, I also got a lot of comments from people being like, I thought the same thing.

There are lots of millennial women out there who are thinking that it is Grown Woman.

I get it. Grwm, Grown Woman.

How would anyone just automatically know, get ready with Me?

What about GR makes you think grown?

Good point.

I like it. I think it's funnier. I think we should start leaning in and be like, Grown woman video coming right out. Okay, Tom, Tom, basic? Not basic.

You know what I'm going to say? But I think it's basic. But again, I love things that are basic, but you can't get any more basic than the representation of Vannerpump rules in bar form. True. Do you go there? I don't really, because I'm asking for attention I go there. Do you know what I mean? I really love it, and I'll go there if it's someone's birthday, so I'm going for someone's. You know what I mean? But if I go there, everyone's going to take photos, and I'm like, I'm not. You're on it?

I get it. Ozempic.

Oh, my God. I really want to try it when I give birth.

You're like, I want to go on it now, but I am pregnant, so I'm going to wait.

No, the amount of times I've researched this being like, I think it's safe and healthy. I I think it's good for you. It's like taking vitamins.

Stacey. How do we put a disclaimer? Be like, nothing that was said in this podcast, medically, please do not listen to this.

But come on. It's basic. Anyone who hears about Ozempic Has to fucking be curious. You are a liar if you tell me that you have not thought about it, thought about jumping on that train. You don't need it. I don't mean you. You should think about it.

I get what you're saying. I think this is what I started to realize, and maybe it's just with age. I remember one of my things on here was bone broth, and I was thinking about all the debate with Gwyneth when everyone was like, You are promoting bad eating for people that's not realistic, and whatever. And I'm like, Why does everyone care? She didn't say to only eat bone broth for you. She was just being honest. Would you rather lie?

She's just telling her story. She's literally just trying to be transparent, which is what everybody is asking of people. Please be honest and transparent. So then you can't get mad about what you hear when someone is being transparent or honest. So have I googled Ozempic and what it would be like? And am I thinking about it? Yes, I am. Because you were just talking about bone broth. My first pregnancy, I ate bone broth for dinner for six fucking months after I gave birth. And I don't feel like doing that again.

I love that for you.

I don't want to. I want a quickie.

I want an Ozempic. I'm an Ozempic girl, not a bone broth girl anymore.

We love that.

I love the honesty because that's what I got annoyed where I was like, I think people are really getting triggered. Gwyneth wasn't like, everyone should do this. She was asked what she eats in a day. And instead of being like a cheeseburger for dinner, she just told you, you don't have to do it.

Yeah, you don't have to do it. I'm like, would you want her to lie to you? And then you're going to wonder like, wait, why don't I look like this when I'm eating a cheeseburger for dinner? I want to know that it's a struggle for Gwyneth. I want to know it's a struggle.

Me too. And I also love it's like, people need to realize, I know the whole world influencer has really taken over, but Look inward if you're being really heavily influenced by every single influencer on the Internet. Yeah.

Let's totally just do a little check. Yes.

Just a little check in.

Just be responsible for yourself.

Be responsible for yourself. Okay, so Ozempic, Ozembi, Okay, so she's going to go on Ozempic. You're going to tell us how it goes. You'll go on it. Someone else doesn't have to.

Exactly. Okay.

And then you're going to feel how you want to feel, and they can feel how they want to feel. While they're on the elliptical, you're going to be...

They're going to be like, look at me now.

Do you think you'll be promoting it, that you're on it, or you won't talk about it?

I would like to think that I would be somebody that promotes it and talks about it because, again, I love when other people are transparent and honest, so I want to be that for other people. But God, people are really hard. People are really hard. On things like that. And it's like, do I feel like going through all of the hate that I'm going to get if I'm honest about it?

Unfortunately, you're on Caller Daddy right now saying you're going to do it. You know what would be the worst? If you actually don't go on Ozempic and you're in the gym and they're like, That's it. She's on Ozempic. You're like, No, guys, I'm actually- I totally probably just fucked myself. Right. No matter what, they're either like, It's not working or It's working, and you could have been doing it organically. Yeah. Okay. Well, keep us updated. What do you think about manifesting?

I'm so basic. You manifest? I manifest the shit out of life. I think I've naturally been manifesting my whole life and just not know... When we When we were growing up, manifesting wasn't a word, the way that we use it now. Totally. But I think that I've always just been that way. I really do fucking ride so hard for manifesting because I feel like what works with manifesting is You just envision that the things that you want are going to happen, and then you slowly start working towards those things, whether you realize it or not. True. And that is manifesting.

It's quite simple. That's true. Okay, give us an example. What's something big you manifest it and boom, it My whole entire life, I wanted to live in a Spanish-style home in the hills.

When it got to the point where I was looking at houses, it just so seamlessly happened. And I realized that, wow, I had been planning for this and working towards this, and I'd always just said it. And then I was like, I should have manifested bigger. I should have been a $10 million house, Spanish style house in the Hollywood Hills. Why didn't How can I manifest a yard attached to that house? Fuck.

I get what you're saying, but okay, so you had this vision, and now it's come true.

Yes, because then I saved the money in order. I started, or I would accept this job and put that money away to start being like, This is going to happen for me, so I need to prepare for it when it does.

So back in the days, they would just say, A dream you have. Now we have a better word that's a little bit more proactive.

Basic as fuck.

Basic as fuck. Okay, are you watching reality TV shows?

Well, I just recently started watching the Ann Arpump Rules.

Dude, were you not watching it? No. And then you had to catch up.

And then once Scanwell happened, I was like... I got to catch up. I didn't catch up, but I've seen the last three episodes. So I've been like, I should probably... I'm interested. I want to see.

That whole drama, I can't imagine how annoying it was for for you because how many people wanted to hear your take on it?

No, you have no idea. In fact, it's interesting that you say that, that you can see that. That you can see that that would maybe be annoying. When it happened, it's one of those things I joke about this, that It's like when there's a natural disaster or a world event, and you never forget where you were that day. You could be at work or at school. Then you stop what you're doing, and you get with your coworkers, and you find the nearest fucking TV. Then years later, you're like, I'll never forget who I was with and what we were doing. That's how I feel about fucking Skandival, truly.

I can't imagine. What was your take?

Well, at first, I was just like, I don't think that this is real. But then I'm like, I'm going to start texting the people that I know, obviously. I was like, I think everyone's the same as everyone's reaction. Like, holy fuck. Then I was like, I feel like I'm thrown right back into something that I've been away from for so long. But It's like, is it my place to be a part of it or is it not my place? I don't know. And then I have all of these people just DMing me. I mean, I've never been DMed more about anything than I was about like, I'm going to or commenting and attaching or tagging me in it being like, I'm going to need Stacey to weigh in. I'm going to need Stacey to weigh in. And I'm like, but I don't know if it's my place anymore. And I've been out of this for so long that I think it would be fucking weird if I'm going on my Instagram being like, this is my take on. And It's been a mind fuck, which is weird to say because it's not even happening to me.

I agree. And that's when I had Ariana on, it was actually so weird because the amount of people that were like, fuck, we wanted you to have Raquel on. And I was like, this is why I also hate the Internet so much, because whenever I have villains on the show, everyone's canceled. When I don't have them on, then they're pissed. But when I have them on, they're pissed, whatever. But did you ever like Tom Sandoval? No.

I mean, no. And he never liked me. And that's the thing. I will say this, not being on this last season, it's like my talents were wasted because I could have... This was when I could have really just given it to him and been like, I've always knew. Right.

There's got to be something that everyone is seeing in him. But he, I feel like, has always been a slime ball.

Well, that's interesting that you say that, just because I felt like he was always so beloved. And I would even say to my producers, I'm like, When is he going to get the edit that I I feel like the rest of us see? Why does he keep getting away with being just this dude who just wants to give people things and help people out, man, and all of that? I'm like, that's not what I'm seeing. I'm seeing somebody who's constantly blaming others for things and dredging things up from the past and just deflecting constantly. If the rest of us look bad, then he looks good. And I've always felt that way.

And so, yeah, the fact that I'm not on it this season, it's like, fuck. Yeah. Do you miss reality TV?

I miss reality TV at times. I loved filming. It was like all my 20s we're spent doing that. I love the camaraderie of it. I loved all my producers and the team. It's fun. It's really fun. But there's something about being out of it for so long. I watched that the success of a show is directly tied to how how badly the cast hurts each other. And that feels weird.

I agree. I think that's something that we're struggling with now is watching it because there is social media. I feel like people are having a harder time actually choosing a villain because it's also weird. But then that person's life is actually ruined on social media, and people are getting canceled, and people are getting death threats, where back in the day, you never saw the people, and it was like, whoa, that was a great show, where now it's a little bit like, oh, people have to be really calculated to fuck shit up. And how far are people going to ruin each other's lives? And is it honest? Is it real? I don't know. Yeah.

It's dark. When you really think about it, it's fucking dark. Right.

I think you have a good life now outside of it. And it's almost better to be nostalgic for it than be still in it and look what's happening right now.

No, I think so, too, because I think Obviously, I get asked all the time, would you go back to reality TV? Would you go back to Van der Pumper rolls? All that stuff. And I'm like, I don't... There might come a time when I'm like, oh, this makes sense. This type of reality TV makes sense for me or whatever. And this is a reflection on what really my life is like, it might be a little more boring than what you're used to seeing.

But it's at least a little bit more authentic where you're not having to really create that character again.

Yeah. But I don't think I'd want to put my family in a position to be in something where, again, the success is tied to how much you can hurt each other. It's not a healthy place to be. It's not good on relationships. You can be in the strongest relationship. And I mean, if you think about it, it's like, Vannerpump Rules is like, who's betraying who? Who's cheating on who? Who's being shady? And sometimes things are invented that never even happened. So to put that stress on a relationship. And then if you have children on top of that, I'm just not sure that that's the healthiest thing for me. I do miss it. No.

I do. I get it. It's almost like reality TV to a certain age should be appropriate because your life is toxic and chaotic. Season one, it was like, you were so in the best way unhinged and saying shit. But I was like that with my boyfriend when I was in my early 20s. Then I think when you get to a certain age, it's like you're just fucking your life up for camera. Yes. Who are you friends with still from the cast?

Katie is one of my best friends in the world. She's Hartford's godmother. She was my maid of honor, and I'm still really close with Lala. And honestly, the producers, I hang out with the producers more than most people. They're some of my closest friends. Really? Yeah. So it's so weird to be hanging out with them. And we don't talk about it that much. You know what I mean? The show part of it. But now that Skandamal has happened, we talk about it a lot more, I guess.

How do you feel about how much hate Tom is getting online I mean, obviously, I've been in a position where I've received so much hate before.

And I don't like where we're at in society. We're like, that's how we punish people. It's like emotionally beheading people. You know what I mean? And who's to decide what the punishment should be? Who makes someone the authority on that? What makes this person on their computer the authority on what they think is enough hate for him to receive? I don't get down with that. I don't like it. Do I like Tom Sandoval? No. Do I think what he did is disgusting and like, fuck him. But see, now I feel like I'm even adding to it the online vitreol. No, but I feel like there's a level of if you're being asked about it, you can talk about it.

And I think everyone with their friends can talk about it. But I do think there's a level of we're just as bad as people that are going out of their way to comment on his photos or something and be like, go fucking kill yourself. You're so disgusting.

It's like, no one... Let's just not do that as a group of people. Let's just not.

You probably didn't say that fully to even your dad when he cheated on your mom and you guys have a divorced family now. There's so many people that have gone through, sadly, something very similar, like cheating, affairs. It's awful. But we don't know these people. So Yes, they put their lives out there for us. But at what point is it talk shit to your friends in your group chat, but to actually make an effort to go wait outside of his house or to go make comments?

It's like, let's- And at some point, that is how people become incredibly depressed and then suicidal. And it's like, how would we all react if we knew that that's how it ended? It ended.

Yes.

It's not right.

You were obviously so different back in the day as all are of in your early 20s versus where you're sitting now. On the show, you were probably one of my favorite characters because it was like, I was watching a scene this morning. I was telling my friend, I was going to sit down with you. I'm like, no, you don't understand. No one was more iconic than Stasi. She would go into these rage blackouts, basically, that looked like it on screen, where you were just like, I am the devil, motherfucker. And just the shit you said was so gold. And I'm like, are you going to ever let your daughter watch the show?

I can't I can't hide it from her forever. So of course. I honestly just hope she learns from my mistakes. I hope she sees it and cringes and is like, You are fucking awful. I don't want to talk to you for two weeks. And I'm like, Fair? And then she just literally goes... That just swings her in the opposite direction, and she just wants to be this lovely, kind child. That's fair.

Okay, how would you describe yourself back then versus now? To someone maybe that didn't watch the show. I didn't know you.

Oh, my God. I mean, Oh, my God. I think so incredibly selfish. I still have selfish tendencies. 100%, that's always going to be a personality trait. Sorry. Love it. It is. But I really, truly thought the world revolved around me. I thought that everything that I was going through mattered to everyone. I just felt like what I had to say was so important. I was also one of those people that's like, I just tell it like it is. You got to just deal with it. And now that I'm older, I don't like that about myself. And I think that's such an overrated quality because all you're saying is you don't care about how your words affect other people. So sometimes it's good to just think before you fucking speak. It's called being polite and gracious. It's true. And there are still people that are in that reality TV world that are still like that, that are just like, why tell it is? I'm honest. If you can't handle the truth, then I'm not for you. And I'm like, but do you really want to be that way?

I get what you're saying about holding yourself self back for maybe speaking about certain things. But again, the environment that you were in, that is what would make you a better person on reality TV. Yeah. No, totally. It's almost like you were rewarded when you would say crazy shit. I was. Now it's like when you're in private with friends, maybe we don't bring that into real life. But I get what you're saying of watching it back. You're like, why did I say... That's how I feel about when I look back on the earlier days of my show, I'm like, why did I say some of that stuff? But that's also life.

Yeah.

No, that's true. But we just happened to be recording our lives. Yes.

And we were rewarded for it, just like you were for things that would come out of your mouth. It's like, that's how we're paid to be- Totally. To say crazy shit. Yes.

What do you miss most about being in your 20s?

Being selfish. Leaning into it. And not knowing that it was wrong. It's the delusion. Yeah, it's the delusion. It's like the not knowing any better and just really living for myself. But at the same time, it's like, I am such a happier person not living for myself. As fun as it all was to be reckless and selfish, I am so much more at peace and such a happier person now that I'm not like that.

I get what you're saying. I was thinking about that as I wrote that question today. I was thinking like, okay, I am 28, but I almost feel like I'm already 30. And I am like, my earlier stages of my 20s, I feel like I thought I was having so much fun in the toxic relationships and going out and drinking, getting being fucked up and blacking out and jokingly waking up and having all my friends in the room be like, I just ruined my life. And that's also life. But there is some different level of peace you feel once you get over that hump where I don't wake up with that anxiety of what did I say to that person? Was I mean? Did I fuck up? Did I do something? I don't know. It's calmer.

It's nicer. It is. I mean, there's a reason that elderly people are like, my idea of fun is staying in in watching my Downton Abbey. It's like, because our preferences change as we age. And I agree with that. Staying in and watching Downton Abbey is the most fun you can have.

Do you often hang out with elderly folks?

I should. Honestly, I should find myself a pack of elderly friends.

They come over one night, and there's seven people that you just went and picked up from the elderly home.

I mean, I'm always down for granny vibes.

I do love granny vibes, too. What do you love most about being in your 30s?

In my 30s? Oh, my gosh. I think that I've learned that the power of saying no to things and not caring about, well, is someone going to be mad at me if I'm not going to what they just asked me to do? Or if I say no to a FaceTime, or I don't respond to a text message. It's funny that I'm saying this because it sounds like I'm being selfish, but I've just prioritized my happiness and well-being, and I know how to do that and not worry about, well, is someone still going to be mad at me? If I say no, I'm allowed to say no. I'm allowed to say no.

Yeah, you are. I love that, too, because I get what you're saying. It sounds selfish, but there's a different level of maturity of a freedom that you get instead of feeling like, oh, my God, but it has to be calculated. If I don't text them, it's because I'm being mean. This is actually, I'm not being mean. I'm not being mean. I'm just, there's just things that I don't want to do.

Yeah, I'm just busy, and I I don't want to do that or I'd like to stay home with my daughter tonight. It's not for me. And honestly, I don't even owe an explanation. No. No is all I have to say.

What's the difference between Stasi hammered in her 20s versus Stasi hammered in her 30s?

Oh, my God. I miss being hammered. I know.

How much longer?

I'm due the beginning of September. That's a while. It's three fucking months. You got this. You got this. Well, I would fully black in my 20s. I wouldn't remember things. I wouldn't remember what I texted. I wouldn't remember what I said. It was super emotional. Now, because I have a kid, I'm not allowed. I can't. It's unfortunate, but I can't let it get too far. So honestly, I feel like I don't have that much of a personality shift with my drink. Does that make me an alcoholic? Maybe, but- I feel like I'm the same as I am right now. No, that's good. That's good.

Okay, love that. It's just like you're just having a little bit better time.

Yeah. I'm just having a better time. That's what it is. I'm just having a better time in my 30s because I'm not getting obliterated.

Right. You're not getting full blackout. That's fair. Speaking of being drunk, you talk a lot about dark passengers. And I think a lot of my fans may not have any idea what does that mean. Can you explain what that means?

Yeah, 100 %. I can.

You talk a lot about dark passengering, and I think a lot of my fans may not have any idea what does that mean. Can you explain what that means?

Yeah, 100 %, I can. I mainly did this. I did this all throughout Vanner Pumperables, but it became a thing when I started dating Bo. So I would go absolutely psycho on him. I mean, breaking phones, texting him 73 times in a row, yelling, screaming, threatening things, violence, when I wouldn't get my way. Normally, it was because I would want to leave a party early because I... Granny vibes. So I'd want to go to bed at 11, and he's so social, and he would want to stay out later. And I've always had a trigger when it came to that, because honestly, I feel validated now because of Skaneval. It's shady things in that group of friends always happen after hours. So I would start freaking out. Why does he want to be out with my friends and not coming home with me? And I would go just insane on him. It was like, that's why he would call it the dark passenger. I would literally see red. Anger is the only motion that overtakes me. I see red. I can't control it. I can't stop myself. That is what the dark passenger used to be.

But again, now looking back in light of Skandival and all that, I was right to dark passenger.

I was about to say, as you were describing that, I think it's totally understandable if your partner for one night occasionally is like, oh, my gosh, no, I'm having so much fun with my friends. I want to stay out. If your partner, every single fucking time you guys go out is always lingering and you're going home alone, biggest red flag. You know what? Strange. Yeah, that's so true. Strange. Why would you want to stay and not come home with me? Yeah. No. Exactly. I can't imagine wanting to... Again, I get it. If I'm having all my friends are there and my fiance is like, I really want to go home exhausted. I'm like, Fuck. But I'm having so much fun with my girlfriends, then I'm going to stay out occasionally. But I don't think I've ever been like, I desperately want to stay at this party. I'm not single. I'm not looking for dick. The dick I have is going home. Why don't I want to just go home with them?

Yeah. No. Thank you for validating me right now.

But don't you think for a lot of people listening to this probably are like, I have this a lot with my partner where they stay out so many more nights than if I'm going home alone or they're going out without me all the time? I guess to each his own, I personally wouldn't be down because I just wouldn't understand why would your partner always want to be out without you?

No, I completely agree with that. And that was always my argument. I'd be like, so thank you. What is it that you want to be doing? What is more fun than just going to sleep with me right now?

No. And I also get the trigger of, if you have ever been cheated on or again, you've done shady shit.

And that's what would happen. When Kristen and Jack's season two or whenever when they did their thing, that was always after hours, after the party, after I had gone home. Nothing good happens. So nothing good happens after hours. So it made me feel so weird when Bo would want to just stay out. And so that's when we put a name to the dark passenger. But the dark passenger can really just... It means like any time you just literally see red and anger is the only thing and you can't reason. There's no logic.

I feel like you had a lot of that for birthday parties. Let's talk about your birthday. Because I want to relate to you here, and I can't. I want to hear your explanation of what your birthday means to you.

Oh, my God. I'm going to disappoint you so much right now. Why? Okay, so the first few years of Vannerpump rules, 100%, I was a birthday beast. I was so obsessed with my birthday. I have no idea where it came from. You know what? I blame the fact that I am a summer baby. Me too. I never got to really have birthday parties. Fair. Where all the people could come. I made it a much bigger deal as an adult or something. But after the first few seasons of Vannerpump Rules, I stopped carrying. I got it out of my system. That's great. Bravo would never let me stop carrying. I was like, no, but this is- This is a bit. This is your thing. People relate to this. This is like, you are the birthday queen. And literally to this day, when people come up to me, 50 % of the time, they're either saying the quote about the devil or Pinot Grigio and the other 50 % of the time, it's like, thank you for making me feel good about my birthday.

Dude, I remember watching it. And to people that didn't watch those seasons, the rage that took over you of like, It's my fucking birthday. Sit down. I know. And be present. And I was like, I loved watching it, but I don't relate to that. And so I was like, I wanted to hear today. I think it's great. You're over it. So for your birthday now, you don't really care.

No, I don't really care. I think I was just always just channeling main character energy. I get it. When you're trying to have main character energy, you need to care about your birthday. Main characters care about their birthdays. It's a whole month.

It's a whole thing. I think that actually for reality TV worked. I think on Instagram, it's annoying as fuck when it's like- Totally is.

My birthday month.

We got to stop.

Ten days for my birthday. I'm like, no one gives a fuck.

It's not countdown. No one cares. No one cares. Okay, we can relate on that now. Okay. Do you secretly miss a little bit of drama in your life now that you don't have reality TV?

Yeah, sometimes. I know. I say this to Bo a lot, actually. I'm like, you know what? We should get in a fight, and I should dark passenger, because it would just make me feel so passionate. That would probably make me horny.

I get what you're saying.

A little bit. A little bit.

A little friction.

No, a little bit. I remember when we were in Vegas in December, actually, when I conceived, we were walking past the sign for Absinthe. Have you ever been to that show? Oh, it's so good. Is it good? Yeah, it's really good. And I was like, oh, my God, but remember the last time we saw Absinthe? I full-blown dark passengered on you. And I was like, we should do that. That'll help us make a baby. Stop. And he thinks I'm insane, and he thinks that's so unwell. But I just think that I think makeup sex is fun.

I agree. I think men have a little bit harder time playing the role of we're fighting, but it's not really a fun. And they're like, I don't understand. If I am trouble, stop. 100 %. And they get scared. I try to do it with my partner all the time. Just light. Little tinges here and there can be fun. Not all the time, but a little... I'm like, We've been so good.

Let's not be so good for a minute. Let's not be so good.

Let's have to come back to being good. I want to miss you.

I want to be scared that I'm going to lose you.

Even though I know I'm not, let me just pretend. Let me just pretend. And play with it. I feel like guys can't get there. No, not. But I... Okay, did you ever at one point bring your trust issues in your past into your relationship that it really affected you guys? Yeah. Or past the dark passenger of staying out late? Was there anything else? Yeah.

Well, we started going to therapy really early on into our relationship because I had all of those freak out moments, and I just didn't trust him. And he didn't understand where it was coming from because he had never given me a reason for me not to trust him. And we had to talk through it. And the more we went to therapy, the more then he was like, thank you so much for articulating this, for communicating this, because I understand that must It has been really hard to have this happen to you, to have your friend do this to you, to have other times that I had been cheated on. I get it now. And then we were able to work together. But yeah, it really affected our relationship.

Yeah. I love that you have openly talked about couples therapy because I think there's such a stigma of what's wrong with your relationship. And it's like, why is everyone- You shouldn't have to be going this early.

Why? Because that's when the relationship, it's make or break, honestly. And you're coming into the relationship with all your separate baggage, so might as well get it worked out right away. I agree.

Okay, your relationship, you've talked about how you have very different sex drives with Bo and everything. Give the girlies tips of how do you keep things intimate Without at times being actually physically intimate.

What do you guys do? Honestly, Alex, I need the fucking tips. Stop. I need the tips. Listen, I think that Bo and I are really good at quality time. We talk to each We spend time together. We're really good at parenting together. I know that doesn't sound romantic, but when you're aligned in how you view things like that, when you get into a relationship with someone, you get married to someone, or you decide to have a child with someone, you better really fucking like that person because when you have a kid, you all are in it. You're fucking in it 24/7. And so there are going to be days that are boring, and you better really just like being around that person while doing all of the monotonous mundane shit.

Yeah, that's such a good point. I was thinking about you and having watched some of your relationships, very toxic in the past. To then, Bo seems like the It was the complete opposite of stable, normal, romantic, loving, sweet. In the beginning, did that freak you out?

It didn't freak me out, but I made it... What I did with him is I made a choice. I was aware of the fact that I was changing my habits. Everyone that I've dated in the past, it was all the same exciting and passionate right from the beginning, just feeling like... You know that feeling, which ends up being toxic Classic, honestly. 100 %. And so Bo was everything different. You know what I mean? He was different than anything that I had dated before. And I went about it. Both of us did really slowly, and we casually dated, and we dated other people, and we just really got to know each other. And I think that that's what made this relationship so solid is that we trusted each other. There was constant communication, constant getting to know each other. But it didn't know. Nothing about him scared me because I knew that I was doing everything different.

Yeah. I also had... I mean, I think a lot of people do. You have those toxic relationships. But I think at some point, people always write in asking, When will I be ready to not... How will I know when to not go for the toxic? You just know. You know when you're done.

Yeah, you totally will.

There's a feeling of like, I don't want to deal with it anymore.

And I think that there's something really overrated about the love at first sight thing. I still have friends that are single and will ask me, What should I do? I'm like, Well, you write someone off if you don't feel that in love, feeling that excitement right away. But that's overrated. It is. And we don't know people right away. So how real is that feeling?

Right. It's like there's a difference between going on a first date and actually vibing and there's definitely something here.

Obviously, you have to have attraction and you have to vibe. Yes.

But the feeling of the butterflies, but also anxious and he's not texting and waiting and playing the games and being so calculated and like, that shouldn't be happening because that's unhealthy. Yeah. That's not enjoyable. Exactly. But I think when you are doing that for so long, you can get into this rhythm of then normal feels boring. And I think it's like, I got to a point where I'm like, actually, toxic became so boring to me.

I completely fucking agree. Toxic is boring.

It's boring because it's so transparent of like, and then we're going to fight, and then he's not going to text me, and then I'm going to not text him, and then we're going to get a fight, and then we're going to have this crazy sex, and then I'm going to feel insecure. And then it's just like this, and you're never able to be like, I feel really happy today on this nice Wednesday. I know. You don't have that. I get it. I won't say to anyone in their early 20s or in their teens right now, you got to go through it.

You do have to go through it. I feel like it is fun to go through it once or twice.

Totally. But it would just be nice if you start to feel like you're getting fed up with it, you have to also change your ways. That's just... Okay. How did you know Bo was the one?

Because I could completely be myself, honestly. I felt like I never had to watch what I said or what I did, or I never felt insecure in that way. I felt like he loved everything about me, but not just loved it, he would champion it. He was so into just me being a basic bitch. That's so not a dude thing to do. To be like, Yeah, you go with your basic bitch self. I love it. He was just really accepting and a cheerleader. And I think that's what I realized I really want that for myself.

Totally. No, that's so cute. Obviously, I only get to watch your life slightly through Instagram, but you guys look so happy. Thank you. And it's just really cool to see, again, I literally sitting down with you. The best version of a whole person I knew was from season one, two, and three. And watching those seasons, I love that part of you. But it's also cool to sit down with you and get to know you as a mom and a partner and just, I don't know. It's like you seem great. You seem like you got it together. I know.

I feel like I got it together. I think I do. I think so.

Wait, so you're on tour?

Yeah.

And Kate went to one of your shows, and she was like, it is so crazy. She sells out everywhere. You are just so personable and outgoing, and everyone loves you. And all of your fans are amazing. And she was like, they're the nicest girls in a room, just loving life, being so happy to be there. Do you like touring?

I love it. That was the one thing when COVID happened that I was like, if I can do anything ever again, please let it be touring. I really love it. I just love the whole process of it, not just creatively putting It's challenging. It's fully challenging myself to do something that's so uncomfortable, putting together a set where it's like, I'm not a stand-up comedian, but I have to be for a second. I have to act, and then write something for myself, then deliver it, and hope that people find it interesting, and then put together segments. I just love the creative process of it. And then I also like the whole traveling aspect of it. I love going to different places and seeing smaller towns and meeting people from different places and checking into hotels. I don't know. I love touring.

I give you so much credit because I don't think people know how hard it is.

It is fucking ridiculous how hard it is.

How long is your show?

An hour and a half.

To have Ax and yourself and everyone entertaining people for an hour and a half live.

When you think about it, I'll always, when I'm watching everyone leave the theater, I'm in my car and I'm like, all these people spent their money to come here. They They took Ubers. They came here. So if I didn't deliver, I'm letting them down. You know what I mean? It's not like they can just, they're at home, flipping on a television show. It's like they went out of their way. And I appreciate that so much that they put in that effort to come see me. So the pressure is on. It's there.

But I really love it. Do you get nervous to go on stage now or no?

When I know people in the audience.

And so how many cities do you do?

I think we're doing 25, I I think. But we're over halfway done. I think the hardest part now I've realized this, and when I do this again, I'll plan it differently, is I can't be gone six days at a time. I miss Hartford too much. Those last two shows, I just end up not caring because I'm feeling down. I just want to go home and be a mom. And so I've realized that I think that the next time around, I'll be like, okay, three days, then we get home. Three days, then a week.

Do you get exhausted by being pregnant and touring at No.

Okay. Let me tell you something. This is going to sound extra alcoholicky. Okay. It's okay. Because I haven't sounded alcoholicky enough this one time. But I was way more low energy and tired the first two tours that I did before COVID. Because we would drink and have fun. You know what I mean? We'd have like, Bloody Maries on the plane and drink rosé while we're getting ready and drink backstage and have Aperal Spritz on stage. And I just felt tired because of that. Now, I think I have the most energy out of everyone one that I'm traveling with because I'm sober.

Wait, no, I actually so get that. You would just keep drinking. I would do the same thing.

Yeah, you just keep going. Oh, that's so smart. So now I'm sober. So I feel like I feel sharp. I feel just way more alert and with it and quicker. And yeah, sobriety really suits me. It's just not fun.

You're like, I know it's for the best for me, but the minute I have my child, I'm back on my shit. 100 %. I'm getting an Aperal Spritz brought to my fucking room right after I deliver.

I don't know. Bo literally brought me... He made spicy margaritas in the hospital for me, and he's going to do that again.

The fact that you said you swish around an Aperal Spritz and just hold it there. I feel like that's what I'm going to have to do if I ever get pregnant.

Yeah, or a really good red wine. I'll have a little bit of red wine every now and then. My doctor literally says it's fine to have a few sips.

Everyone calm down. Half a glass.

It's fine. I'll leave it in my mouth. It feels like for three and a half minutes because you just The taste. I miss the taste so much.

I get it. What is coming up in your life? So you're writing a book, you're having a kid. I actually love how I didn't even have to ask you. You're writing a book, you're having a kid, and you're on tour. You're thriving.

Then I have two podcasts.

Dude, how do you do two podcasts?

I mean, the other one's with Bow, so it's easy for us to just make time to do it. So it doesn't feel like it's as much- Too much. Yeah, as much work. It's still a lot.

Let's have you back home on your hammers. I don't know, but that would be so fun.

Then we No, we can't air it. Let's get toasty.

That would be fun. To do one next time, we actually get fucked up and see what comes out of our mouths.

Alex, this was one of my favorite podcasts I've ever done. Was it fun? This was so fun.

I'm so happy you came because I had an idea we would be vibing. I also feel like we never shut the fuck up. Do we have one breath of silence where we were like, I haven't even heard the room tone since we started. But I guess that's a good podcast, right? Yes. Or everyone's going to be like, You guys are so fucking annoying. Yeah, you guys are annoying.

You guys keep talking over each other. I don't think we were talking over each other. No, we were too professional Yeah.

Right as you were finishing, I would pick up, and it was like, Yeah, I think we had a good time.

No, I'm not joking. This was one of my favorite podcasts I've ever done. I really just had a really great time.

I had a great time, and I felt like I really could just relax, and we had a normal fun conversation that just happened to be filmed for millions of people to watch.

Yes.

You were so fun. Thank you for coming on. Thank you. This is great. Oh, my God. Thank you. My God.