Tonight, Donald Trump is taking a victory lap out on the campaign, Jail, speaking to a crowd in Virginia, where he continued to push some of the 30 plus lies that he told on stage at that debate last night. As we saw, President Biden did little to fact check him in real time, allowing Trump to petal these lies and half-truths, if we want to call them that, and also pivoting completely doing a complete 180 at times when he was pressed for answers to questions.

You had no terror at all during my administration. You had Roe v Wade, and everybody wanted to get it back to the States. He's willing to, as we say, rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month and kill the baby. He gets paid by China. He's a Manchurian candidate. Will you take any action as President to slow the climate crisis? Let me just go back to what he said about the police.

What do you say to voters who believe that you violated that oath through your actions and inaction on January sixth and worried that you'll do it again?

I don't think too many believe that. Let me tell you about January sixth. On January sixth, we had a great border. Nobody coming through, very few. On January sixth, we were energy independent. And as Nancy Pelosi said, it was her responsibility, not mine. She said that loud and clear.

She did not say that, and it was not her responsibility, as we have said many times here on this show. Meantime, Anthony Scaramucci, Trump's former White House communications director, is here with us tonight, who is also the author of the new book, From Wall Street to the White House and Back. Obviously, the headline coming out of this, Anthony, was that Biden did... His performance did overshadow what Trump just did there, his own performance last night. I mean, it doesn't take away from the fact that he did lie. He downplayed January sixth. He refused three times to accept the 2024 election results without his conditions that he attached to them. What did you make of Trump's performance last night?

Well, he told a lie every 100 seconds, if you factored in everything. But the problem with Trump's performance was the split screen. And so whoever prepped President Biden didn't explain to him that he had to be alert and look right into the barrel of that camera. And he looked very distracted. He looked a little off. And so no matter what Trump was saying, I think most people were focused on the physical features of what was going on on the other side of the split screen. So, yeah, look, Trump is alive. Look, Trump's brand is that he's going to tell a lie every 100 seconds. In my book, we counted 30,450 lies. That's right out of the Washington Post Pinocchio alerts over four years. So he's going to lie. I mean, the question now is, Joe Biden is staying in the race. I get that. So now what is going to be the positioning of Joe Biden? And how are we going to prove to the American public that Joe Biden is up for this job over the next four years?

But 50 million people watched last night. And if you're Are a voter who doesn't watch Trump's rallies like we do closely or constantly cover him, I mean, you don't know what's a lie and what's a truth or what's an exaggeration. And so you may be watching that and thinking, okay, well, I guess this is actually what happened on January January sixth, the officers did usher in the rioters, which obviously also is not true.

Well, Kaitlyn, listen, remember, this is about image. This is not necessarily about substance. This is a popularity contest. It's not a hiring decision for the American people. We have to call it the way it is. But my message of the Biden campaign is Donald Trump, on October the seventh, 2016, was under the gun. That was the night of the Access Hollywood tape release. He had had an okay first debate, but he girded himself for that second debate. And I think the message here is to be relentless and to get on the offense as quickly as possible. He did a good job today, but he's got to build on that over the next coming weeks to let the American people know that he can do this job. You're pointing out that 48 million people saw him having a hard time putting sentences together, saw him having a hard time rebutting. And then the last thing which bothered me is he couldn't complete the two minutes. Jay kept saying to him, Hey, you got 80 more seconds. What do you want to add? He didn't have anything to say.

You're referencing President Biden on that. And obviously, you would see Trump, whose mic was muted, sitting there. Scott Jennings, when you looked at that and you saw how Trump was handling this, he didn't exactly cover himself in glory either last night. If you were watching it just from his perspective, they're counting as it a win because they're grading it on a curve, essentially, because of how President Biden did.

What's a win?

What was the new policy that Trump announced last night?

Name one. He's not the President. He's the challenger to be incumbent. He's running to be President. I know. And he's running, just like he was in 2016, against the de facto incumbent. This time, it's the real incumbent. That's the beauty of being the challenger. You don't have to solve all the world's problems today. You just have to convince the American people that the incumbent is doing a bad job and they should fire him and hire you. Now, I think they've decided to fire Biden. It's obvious. Have they quite decided to rehire Trump yet? Close, but maybe not yet. And he still has to close that deal. The problem with this debate is not Donald Trump. No one's going to remember a thing he said. They'll only remember what they saw of Joe Biden.

I was privy to some dial groups that went on last night And what was interesting was on the substance of things, economic policy, health care, on abortion rights, on a whole range of things, Biden did much better than Trump. I mean, people agreed with Biden's point of view. Trump did very poorly, and he did particularly poorly with his nastiest sides. He did particularly poorly when he claimed things that were patently untrue, that everyone knows this notion that he was playing the pacemaker role on January sixth was laughable. People understood that. So I think people paid more attention, Scott, than you think.

I agree. And it does still matter if candidates lie. It does. I know we're in the Trump era where it's the received wisdom that it doesn't matter if the person who's running to be President of the United States just openly lies. But I think, as David said, we saw from some of the immediate data last night, that's not true. And I think that's going to continue to be a problem for Trump for the next seven months, four months.

I mean, does Joe Biden ever lie?

He absolutely does not. Donald Trump will goes out.

You're saying Joe Biden never lies?

He willfully goes out and misrepresents things and intentionally with no shame whatsoever. People don't want to see that in their leadership.

They do not. At least we got to hear two people who want the nuclear codes talk about their golf handicaps and who has a better one. Anthony Scaramucci, Kate Beddingfield, David Axelrod, Scott Jennings. Great to have all of you breaking down what so many people are still trying to process from last night.