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That all adds up to bing bing, bing, bing, bong, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing,Election, Taylor's version. Why is this happening? Why did these two celebrities generate a supernova of fans, haters, and overwhelming scrutiny? Yeah, let's get into it. I'm Hattie Cornish. This is the assignment. So once it was reported that the White House was pursuing her political endorsement for Joe Biden, this political chatter around her started to sound... I mean, judge for yourself.

So don't get involved.

Don't get involved in politics. We don't want to see you there. Now, I posted my personal theory online that Swift was experiencing a cultural discrediting. A warning. Her detractors were effectively salting the Earth in case she did want to make a political move. Now, a lot of you responded to my comments online, so this is a show for you. First, we're bringing in Kerry Champion, sports journalist, formerly of ESPN. Not exactly a Swift My introduction to Taylor Swift, and I'm going to be honest here, in terms of really being interested in who she is and her music, probably came when she started today, Travis Kelsey.

I'm going to be honest with you. I wasn't Taylor Swift fan.

You are that NFL fan.

I Yes, I am the fan. She's amazing. She's amazing.

I love it.

I am that person. Of course, I knew her music. She's in the zeitgeist. I know the Kanye incident from the Grammys, but any real interest? Not so much. Now, when I realized she was powerful, and this is the political sway for me, was when her concert went on sale and Ticketmaster, being greedy, doing what they do, disappointed a lot of the Swifties, and they got together. When the AGE, the attorney general was like, Let's investigate, I'm like, Wait, time out. I was like, The Swifties complained so much. They shut down Beyoncé's Internet, and now we are going to go after Ticketmaster and for these ridiculous surprises.

There might be congressional hearings. We need to talk about this. I was like, Well, who is this young lady where her fan base, literally, and it's not so much about her, but yes, her fan base has decided, We're upset and we're going to do something. Now, Anne Helen Peterson knows a thing or two about the power of Fame and Fandam. She writes about both for a living. Football, she admits, is not exactly her strength.

So I grew up in Idaho. I understand football. I'm distant from it, though, for various reasons. And he looks like a quarterback. He has that gravitas. And so I've had to keep punching it into my head that he's not. And also the other thing is that Taylor Swift is the type of person to date a quarterback, just in terms of her own Stone mythology.

You're not a football person, that was what I'm hearing.

Here I am trying to tell you about this.

I hear you pivoting.

I'm trying to tell you about Travis Kelsey's star image, and you're like, Yeah, you don't know a lot about football. This is true.

Now, I brought them together for this discussion because they each have a deep understanding of these two celebrities, why they're unique characters in their own fields. Kari started by telling me about Travis Kelsey, his life as a Kansas City tight-end before Taylor.

Well, the Kansas City Chiefs, obviously, arguably one of the best teams in the NFL. This is their umptenth visit in such a short period of time to the Super Bowl. He became extremely well known for a few reasons because I would say Patrick Mahomes, his quarterback, and he being the tight in, are a very, very powerful duo. When they started to put up Katie Gronk numbers, they gelled together. So not only were we curious about this Patrick Mahomes guy, but who is this handsome tight-end who's giving me Gronk vibes, but a little more attractive with a little more swagger. And oh, by the way, he was dating this beautiful Black woman who was a social media influencer, and he had a little bit of swag about him. And he was dating this Black woman in a way in which he wasn't hiding her. He was taking her out loud. They were holding hands. So we're all paying attention and we're like, Oh, he has a little bit of sauce to him, which is why I think Complex magazine picked up on it. A lot of people picked up on his affinity for the culture. And so That's when he became known to me.

But outside of that, he's excellent at what he does. It's his ability to break the tackle, to defend his quarterback, to catch the ball in narrow windows. It's very special. That's when we started to pay attention to him, and he just so happens to be handsome. I mean, I'm just telling you from my perspective.

But meanwhile, Taylor Swift, there's a million accolades, we could say for her. Time, Person of the Year, et cetera, et cetera. Recent, Grammy winner, Fourth Album of the Year, I I think, award for her. But Anne Peterson, what makes her unique as a celebrity figure?

I think she is one of a handful of examples of monoculture in a very fragmented media environment.

She is- Meaning literally something everyone can talk about or knows of.

Yeah, and has some access point. Even if you are not a fan and you don't know her music very well, people know who she is, know what her image is broadly, know who likes her. She is inescapable in that capacity. She is also, I've written about this, she likes to work.

In the most modern sense of the world, meaning the attention economy. She is a O. G. Worker of the attention economy.

And just produce music. But she also understands how to wield her fan community, right? She speaks to them in these various codes. She loves puzzles and gives them puzzles to unlock.

Which means she doesn't fear the parasocial relationship, right? No. It's not just about having the fans. It's she's building a relationship that they can feel that they have with her personally, and she's open to that. She's not hiding from that.

I think celebrities can probably be divided into two buckets, like celebrities who like being a celebrity and celebrities who hate it, right? I think Ben Affleck does not like being a celebrity, and you could just see it in his face, right?

The running joke is just putting up photos of his unhappy face. Nice.

Which is great that he's paired with JLo, who loves being a celebrity. But I also think Travis Kelsey loves being a celebrity, and not every football player does.

He loves it. Yeah, he loves it. But he's starting to regret it a little bit. Like, this is too much. He wasn't ready for this. A lot of these athletes, they have stylists. I think they are ready for the moment. You're right, there are those who just want to play. I would say Jason, Kelsey, Travis's brother, he just wants to play. The rest of that is fine. But in terms of celebrity, I Here is what I believe. Football players, by and large, we're helmet, so we never see their faces, so we don't know who they are. They aren't used to this attention, in my humble opinion. This type of attention is on another level of obsession that they could not even understand, even in their collegiate days when they were the guy, the man, the who, the person. This fan base, her fan base is so rabid and so intense. Travis will tell you he's got more I'm sure after it's all said and done, more commercials, more things that would never have come to him in terms of an opportunity until he started dating Taylor Swift. While I think they enjoy the attention, it can be startling because of the requirements.

There is one more important character in this story, the NFL itself.

If I can understand the NFL's slight obsession, it's because it's the bottom line. If this is going to bring more money and this is going to bring more viewers and a new fan base, how do we capitalize off of this? They've spent so much of their time denying who they are when they do things wrong because they're so corporate. They spend most of their time cleaning up as opposed to welcoming in, meaning- Let's talk about that.

I want to tick off some of the issues that the NFL has had to deal with and run a cultural defense against. One is head injuries, the effects on players. Another is off-field behavior, incidents of domestic violence or other kinds of violence. What are some other things?

This is just in terms of the political aspect of sports, this sphere in which we live, the Colin Kaepernick saga, to me, is going to define how people remember the NFL. It was something that- It created a schism, right?

You have this player who starts to speak out about Black civil rights. He, in effect, creates a visual cue for other players to be with him in the form of kneeling and has been denied access to the sport ever since.

It was a blackball in large part by not only the NFL, but it's partners in television, it's partners in the league, it's partners in sponsorship. They have still been trying to recover from that. They have to still respond to that because they have lost the faith of a huge part of their fan base. There are people still not watching the NFL because of what happened with Colin Kaepernick. I think that they have spent the last 10 years answering questions about CTE and domestic violence with the Ray Rice incident and Colin Kaepernick in kneeling. Because they've been on defense for so long, this is a story that is a part of pop culture in real-time, and they can profit off of this. This is the first time that they can say, See, we are wholesome, we are friendly, we are global. We're We're pushing this sport as a global sport.

She's such a nice girl. Like friendship bracelets. If she's here, how bad can it be?

It's fine.

And you're shaking your head.

It's like a classic deflection, right? This is like a PR master class. We don't want people talking about the fact that we, as the NFL, I don't think the NFL cares about women at all, right? Cares about what happens to women in their homes. They don't care about what happens with alcohol consumption during games and the incidence of domestic violence after the Super Bowl. All of these things are things that are secondary or not even thought of at all. But you can deflect from that, and you can deflect from all of the different ways that they screwed up handling everything around Colin Kaepernick. And instead be like, Oh, look at this cute American wife girl in the box. Let's just pan to her, right? And it's not answering anything that they've done before.

And yet when they pan to her, there's backlash. Right.

Yeah, but here's the thing. I am so happy that someone actually timed it out, right? It was about two minutes plus of the entire games that she's attended.

Two minutes total, she is on camera.

Thirty seconds here, 10 seconds here. It has been the after effect of how the NFL has decided to make this their baby and own this moment, whether it be her lyrics dropped by the announcers or whether it be on their social media pages talking about, Look at Taylor and the Swag surfing, and all of All of it seems ridiculous to NFL fans. The reason why it does seem ridiculous, because it's not the first time a celebrity has ever been a part of any sport. Look at Spike Lee. He lives on the court. I was just going to say. He makes a mess of winning.

Or the Lakers in general, right?

Or the Lakers are real with Jack nick. Hollywood. Listen, celebrities are at events. Men that are famous have dated Tony Romo and Jessica Simpson. I think of this all the time. This is not the first celebrity couple currently, Cierra.

But if you think about Tom braided and Giselle, I felt like a tension and a tenseness about her.

They were very mad at her. Like, they're mad at Taylor. They were very mad at Giselle. Giselle, though, figured it out. Giselle learned to be careful, and she learned to make it more about Tom, so she wouldn't be a part of it because she didn't want... She felt that energy, and she didn't want it.

I got to bring you in for that because that is a very... I feel like only a female celebrity would have to have all of that calculation going.

Yeah, and you've seen how the script has flipped, how some people play around with How is Travis Kelsey affecting Taylor Swift's ability to perform in Tokyo for three hours? Because both of them perform for three to four hours in an incredibly physical feet with all of these eyes on them. I do think that it's an incredibly difficult place to be.

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We are at this moment in incredible saturation, and I am surprised that we have- Saturation of Taylor. Of Taylor.

She has been very prominent.

You're going to say what I'm about to say. Very I already know where you're going.

Then this last Sunday, she appears at the Grammys, and I think the tide turned against her. 100%. For many different reasons. Some of them, if you took what she did in a different context, they would be like, Oh, that's no big deal. Who cares? But she didn't read the room very well in announcing a new album at the Grammys. It's just...

Meaning this person who's already on top is literally is dancing in the end zone. Dance in the end zone. I'm using it as another marketing opportunity.

I almost think of it as like dancing in the end zone or Travis Kelsey talking about his line of frozen meals at Walmart, right? It feels like she was pivoting to a different moment. There are so many different times when she could talk about a new album. But the Grammys are a moment for celebration of music and then of each other, and it felt like she was addressing her fans instead of the people in that room.

I'm glad you're bringing this up. In politics, there is a tipping point at which you become the villain. Yeah, yeah. Right? Well, and also in comic books, but in politics. The reason why I bring it up is because when that happens, you become vulnerable. You become very vulnerable to criticism and to attack. Here's where I bring in what I know politically about these two. Travis Kelsi, in the eyes of Conservatives, is part of the woke agenda. This has to do with a couple of things, and Kerry, jump in any time. He did an ad with Bud Light, and this is right around Bud Light was in trouble with Conservatives for also doing a paid partnership with a transgender influencer, Dylan O'Bany. He also Back in 2017, there was a photo of him on his knee in support of teammates who wanted to protest racial injustice. Going back to Kaepernick, going back to that schism that you talked about. Then the newer one for me that I didn't understand fully the impact of is that he actually did a commercial for Pfizer vaccines. Now you're dipping a toe in the vaccination conspiracy world.

I just love, what if he did the commercial for a flu shot? Would people be like, Oh, he's a PSYOP?

And by the way, can I be honest? I don't necessarily believe that he is, yes, I do believe that he has an affinity for, quote, unquote things that are not conservative. I agree that he probably leans much more to the other way, but I don't know what his preference is, whether he's a Democrat or Republican.

No, but that's the point. We don't know. We have no clue. His persona is not one of a political activist.

It's somebody who just wants to get paid. He wants to get paid. I'm pretty sure these people paid him. He is a guy who wants to be paid because football players, especially now that he's dating Taylor. So if he needs money, if he's going to get a credit jet here and there, he can't. I'm sure if you have him arrive. I'm sure if you have a football salary, he needs a dollar or two. He likes to shop. You know what I mean? I know.

But here's the thing. He does like to shop. These are the things that happen under the surface politically that the rest of us don't always know about. So there is a world of people who are very angry with State Farm Insurance, for example, because at one point, the company did a book program that included gender identity inclusive books, and he did an ad with State Farm. At a certain point, he's a bunch of boxes for some people who are on the lookout.

He's no Aaron Rodgers. For those who are listening and perhaps a football fan, Aaron Rodgers is one of the few, I think, quarterbacks that I have ever met that really takes a real interest and what's going on on both sides. He is very adamant about, I'm an independent, but he speaks very... He's like, I hate this COVID commercial. I don't believe in it. He's very much that athlete who will talk about it, that quarterback, that persona that says, I know what's going on. Travis doesn't have a clue, and I'm not being facetious. He just doesn't have a clue. He literally is living his life to play football and to make some money because this is what I look at it. Nfl stands for not for long. They have this very short window of time to make a certain amount of money. He's one of the few, but his position in particular, tight-end position, doesn't pay him like a quarterback. Once you pay taxes, once you pay these people, once you live the life that you want to live, you see that a lot of these football players do not retire. So they have to earn while they can.

So they have to earn while they can. And who is... Step, step, step, step, step. There are people he probably won't work with, but who has the most money, who's offering him the best deal? That's where I think he is right now.

I outlined some of the things that might have made him vulnerable to this criticism. For Taylor Swift, she has, to my mind, not been one of the most outspoken pop artist in terms of politics. We're not dealing with a Natalie Maynes from the Dixie Chicks here. This is not, rest in peace, Shanae O'Connor. But this is someone who, in recent years, has started to take small actions. In, I think, 2018, she dipped her toe in the Tennessee Senate race and spoke out against a conservative named Marsha Blackburn, who went on to win, by the way. It didn't mean it turned the whole tide for the Democratic candidate. She has written public letters to urge the Equality Act. She did that in 2019. She called Trump's presidency an autocracy and spoke out against the White House in a Video Music Award, Except In Speech. One of the interesting moments in her film, Ms. Americana, she is talking with her family about speaking out against Marsha Blackburn, the now Senator. She thinks that if you're a gay couple, or even if you look like a gay couple, you should be allowed to be kicked out of a restaurant.

It's really basic human rights, and it's right and wrong at this point. I can't see another commercial and see her disguising these policies behind the words, Tennessee Christian values.

Those aren't Tennessee Christian values.

I live in Tennessee.

I am Christian.

That's not what we stand for.

I need to do this. I need you to just...

I need you to forgive me for doing it because I'm doing it.

She's in tears. Her parents are in tears. Her father fears for her safety. What did you take away? I'm not even going to ask if you've seen it because I know you've seen it. What did you take away from that moment, and how does it make you think about where she is now?

I think that you brought up Natalie Maynes of the Dixie Chicks. I think that that was one of Swift's main instructors about how how she could and couldn't behave and what she could and couldn't say in a public forum as someone coming from country music. I think that a lot of people, and women in particular, disciplined themselves according to what had happened to the Dixie Chicks in the aftermath of those comments, right? Being completely excised from your genre and from radio play.

Right. And just to remind people the scale of that, Natalie Maynes on stage made a comment about of being ashamed of being from Texas because of George Bush. It was like a one-time comment at a concert that went viral before we had viral. But you're saying that was instructional to the next generation?

Absolutely. I think that it took her a long time, and a lot of people wondering if she was conservative, right? Like, there were a lot of theories that she grew up in the suburbs. Taylor Swift. Yeah, Taylor Swift grew up in the suburbs. Like, there's a lot of people who would grow up in that environment and maybe go the other way politically, right? I think that she, at some point, felt the conviction to set the record straight about what she believed.

But isn't that what makes her work for monoculture? Yes. So just so I can understand what you're saying, what is at risk in the age where monoculture is over, except you're basically this generation's beetles?

She is.

It's not like she's going to risk being a billionaire. It's not like she's going to... And just to give you a sense, someone said to me online, they said, Remember when Lennon said the beetles were more popular than Jesus and the right wing, freaked out and ministers breached against them from their pulpits and there were mass record burnings and no one ever heard of the beetles again? I appreciate that sarcasm. The other thing is said, what if she just... David Oyean-Basun said, what if she just shrugged it off and went on with her life? If celebrities don't engage in these manufactured freakouts, don't they lose their power? Ann?

So the thing to understand about Taylor Swift is she understands everything that she's doing. She understands everything as part of this manufacture of her star image. To say that she doesn't know what she's doing is, I think, in some ways undercut her power and her publicist power, who is arguably the most powerful publicist in the game. At the same time, I think she is a classic eldest daughter, perfectionist type A, likes to win. She has been on a winning streak where people think she's amazing for the last two years, and I think is struggling with the fact that she wants to keep producing. She wants to keep winning. She wants to keep keeping people engaged with this rom-com that is her relationship with Travis Kelsey. But she has reached saturation, and at some point, as a celebrity, you are around so much that you're image takes on more weight, more meaning than you can bear. I think she's at that point right now. And she's getting it both from the right in terms of all these conspiracy theories, and then also from the left or people in the middle who are like, I'm just like, we need a little bit of a break.

I want to play for you some clips from the One America News Network. I won't say the name of the correspondent because why? Why give them that play? But here's a sample of what they're saying about her now.

She despises Trump. Now look, the mainstream media is massively pushing the pop star to continue furthering their agenda. She suddenly becomes political, and now she's plastered all over magazines, airports, the NFL, and now even the Super Bowl. It's just 24/7 nauseating coverage. We're supposed to pretend we don't see the PSYOP?

To your point, Anne, oversaturation, right? No, we're not done yet. I'm going to play another clip. A PSYOP, for people who know, psychological operation, stems from the mid '40s, the idea that you can use propaganda to change people's, the enemy's minds. By telling them certain messages over and over again. That's the easiest way I can explain it. Here's another one where she brings in Travis.

She just so happens to be dating Kansas City Chiefs tight-end Travis Kelsey, better known as Mr. Pfizer, who's now also going to the Super Bowl, which is sponsored by, you guessed it, Pfizer. I mean, let's be real here. This is bread and circuses on steroids.

Bread and circuses, reference to the idea of, I think the Romans era of if you want to deflect attention from your political mistakes and political problems, you just throw people food and amusements and they won't know what's going on. Finally, a prediction.

Let's see who ends up winning the Super Bowl and if there's a major presidential endorsement coming from an artificially culturally propped up couple this fall.

Only time will tell.

But don't forget who warned you and predicted it before it happens.

I played this whole thing not just for laughs, but because it has everything we talked about in about 45 seconds, right? Yeah. Pfizer, him being a popular player, the idea that she's oversaturated and that she's somehow being pushed on everyone. What were you hearing as you were listening to that?

I think it's feeding into this idea that is widely held on the right, that somehow, liberal are using mainstream media to ideologically influence us, right?

Mainstream culture, right? Yeah. Like your interracial couples and your cheerios commercials, the bud light. Like, everything is Everything is colored from one point of view. Right.

When, yes, absolutely, the celebrities that fascinate us in a particular moment, a lot of the reason that they do when they're not doing something like playing sports, right? It's because what they seem to represent is something that's really interesting, compelling. It's the future, usually, right? It is where we are headed instead of where we have been. And I think that that's often threatening in various ways. But I also think that they're feeding into this that suddenly Taylor Swift is everywhere? Are you kidding me? Taylor Swift has been everywhere on and off since...

I was late. I was late to the party. Yeah, Kari, I actually...

I didn't want to say anything, but it was crazy to me.

I was late to the party. I was like, so tell me about the Swifties. Now, okay, she used to date who? Now, mind you, this was always somewhere in my universe. I just didn't care. I've always said this about Taylor. I'm going to tell you what my lack of interest was, which is why they're now attacking her and saying she is a part of this conspiracy theory. I am of the belief that when you are someone who has this type of platform that she has, you must use it for good. I never thought it was used for good. I thought it was used to harass her ex-boyfriends. My thought process was, I can't understand much about what's happening because here's this powerful woman. Are we using our powers for good? I think with all the publicity that is around her and how strategic she is, I needed to hear that. So you're right, Ms. Americana. I thought, Okay, interesting.

This As long as we treat celebrities the way they do, the way they wield the power they have is of interest to me, and it is almost on par with political power. Correct. Can you process what Kari was saying from your point of view? Because you were nodding. Is that because it's a criticism you've heard before or because what are you thinking?

I think both. I think that Taylor has grown up a lot. I think that she's come to understand what her platform means and what she means to younger people in general. I think that you see that manifest not only in speaking out about various social issues, like using that platform to speak explicitly, but also using soft power to do things like register people to vote. I know that Conservatives think that getting people registered to vote is actually political, but really it's democracy in action.

She often says, You vote for who you want to vote for, right? When I think about her one public endorsement, at the end of it, it was like, Here's all the things I don't like about this person. However, you for who you want to vote for, and here's how. Click here. And there was measurable increase in voter registrations, right? So that probably unnerved people.

Yeah. And I even think about the way that she is very public about the compensation that she provides to everyone on her tours. And you could say, Oh, that's for publicity. But I also think that it's a demonstration of, I appreciate every piece of labor that makes this happen for me. I, too, did not necessarily think that Taylor was using her powers for good. My view has become much more complicated and nuanced over the course of, I would say, the last four years.

Agreed. Fundamentally, I care about power. Who has it and how do they use it? I hear from you guys that Travis, Kelsey, is only just now understanding what fame is as a power. He's really just getting the full force of it right now. I hear you saying that Taylor Swift is coming into her own, possibly as an adult, which is hard for us to think about because she still sings music from when she was a kid, this remastering project and stuff. It feels like there's a perpetual youth to her. But she is an adult who knows how to wield her Fame. Is this a test of their powers? That's how I hear it. Is it a test of her power, especially? And is it a test of monoculture? Meaning, are we at the point where even our entertainments that seem completely invulnerable, football, Taylor Swift, can even they be subsumed by our own weird tribal political tendencies?

I would say it's a feeble attempt to try to knock down their power, right? Like, the much bigger threat to Swift's power in this moment is over exposure. And I don't think that the vast majority of people in this country or globally give these conspiracy theories any credence in any capacity. And yes, it's a great talking point when you have nothing else to talk about.

Lots of clicks. Right.

On far-right radio and media, just generally. But I don't think that this is a theory that holds weight with most people.

I agree. For the football fans after their backlash, What do you think the lesson is being learned?

I think if Travis had to do this over again, you talked about his power, he would make this relationship much more subtle. His biggest opportunity to protect his power and his peace is to stay private, and he doesn't have that anymore. And what happens is if the chiefs go on and lose the Super Bowl, there's a backlash, not even in a sense that it should be this, but it will be this. It'll be like you were dating Taylor. It was you were distracted.

You were distracted. Even though he made it to the Super Bowl. That's the thing.

No, he was distracted. He was distracted. And unfortunately, in today's society, we see what happens. There's this pushback against Taylor. And to your point, over exposure is her biggest threat.

Journalist, Kari Champion. She's got a podcast called Naked with Kari Champion. Please do check it out. Also, you heard from Anne Helen Peterson. You can get more of her takes on celebrity and other cultural forces that we can't stop thinking about from her Substack and her podcast. Both are called Culture Study. Links to all of their work will be in our show notes. That's it for today's episode of The Assignment. Now, as always, we want to hear from you feedback in any way you want to share it with us. But one of the ways we love is through a voicemail or voice memo, and the number for that is 202-854. Com. 8802. The Assignment is a production of CNN Audio, and this episode was produced by Carla Javier. Our senior producer is Matt Martinez. Dan Dizula is our technical director, Steve Lick I is the executive producer of CNN Audio. We got support from Haley Thomas, Alex Manasari, Robert Mather's, John Dianora, Lenny Steinhard, Chamus Andres, Nicole Pessereau, and Lisa Namerou. Special thanks, as always, to Katie Hinman. I'm Audi Cornish. Thank you for listening. Introducing ADT Self Setup, featuring everything from motion sensors to Google Nest Cams.

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