Hi, my name is Rachida Jones, and I feel blank about being Conan O'Brien's friend.

Okay. There's a blank on the page. Yeah. But you also feel blank. Well. I've never seen more honesty in your eyes. I respect that.

Fall is here, hear the yell, back to school, ring the bell, brand new shoes, walking loose, climb the fence, books and pens. I can tell that we are going to be friends. I can tell that we are going to be friends.

It's you. Hey there. Welcome to Conor O'Brien Needs a friend. I just twirled a Kleenex box into the air with great force that amused everybody. I don't know why I'm sitting here with Digglepuss Johnson, a. K. A. Son of a Sessian, and of course, the highly competent Matt Gourley. How are you, Matt?

What the- Wait a minute. That is the most confusing. Is that an insult or a compliment?

No, it's not an insult at all.

That's an insult to me.

Yes, there you go. Okay. Yeah, it's a bank shot. I got her by just always- I see.

Okay, then I'll let that one pass.

Oh, will you?

Oh, good for you. Sona, how are you? What's the word out on the street? I feel like you're in touch with the common man. Okay, you know what- Because I'm not. I live in a bubble, as you know.

Yes, okay. I use a delivery service for my marijuana. Why'd you pause? I don't because I was trying to think of- This is guilt and shame? I was trying to think of a word I could use to make it sound. It's legal. Hey, it's cool. It's just my thing.

Is there a grub hub then for... Is that what it is?

Yeah, I use a service called Eaz. What's up, Ees?

Can you spell that for me? Give me some money. E-a-z-e. That's just a fellow's name.

E-a-z-e. Yeah.

E-a-z-e. I mean, this is not a promo for them. I don't approve of that. Well, you could send me stuff. Wacky tabacky. You don't approve of it? Eaz is... No, I don't want people poking on a jazz cigarette.

Poking on it.

Poking on it. Oh, please.

I've been around. Toking on it.

Yeah, well, listen, that's the newer phraseology. The old one was poking on a jazz cigarette in the alley. Is it really? In the alley, yeah. Anyway, my question is Eze, how does it work? What do you do?

You go online.

This is not... Seriously, this is not an ad. You're not fast forward to this because we are not getting money from Eze. Sona may get a... What is it? A little bit of- A little bit of credit in my account. What is it?

Anyway, you Instead of going to dispensary, they have all this stuff online.

What is it you like?

What is your- I like little gummies, little five milligram gummies that chill me out. Yesterday, I was in the mood for a little pre-rolled mini joint.

To poke on.

To poke on. If we're going to use the correct terminology, yeah.

Yeah, to poke on, it's grass.

Yeah, so you're poking on a little J-bone. And then what- You ordered up some little pokeies.

Anyway, Why am I talking about it? The guy comes, really nice guy.

How do you know? I'm just going to ask a couple of questions, and I'm sincere about these. What's the difference between you're in the mood for a gummy, a five milligram gummy, or what you said is a foreshortened?

Is a little thing. Can I be honest? Yeah. The gummy, you have to wait for it to hit you, like 45 minutes, 30 minutes to an hour. When you just want to feel it right away, I just go for a little mini, little mini, little mini J-bone.

Yeah.

Can you smoke them out your eyes? Why are you doing that?

I love the little mini J-bone. Wait a minute. Okay, so you get this. How long is it, would you say? Is it- She's this big.

Okay. She's like, I don't know, two inches? Yeah. An inch? Yeah.

And so you get that.

Wow, he did not- No, no, no.

Come on, just hold on. It's so short. Do you have to use... What do you use? Like tweezers to hang on to it? No, no, no.

It's not like a roach. It has a little cuff. It's got a little filter. I see. I got it. And then you just...

Okay. And this gives Mama her hit right away.

Give Mama her hit right away. I don't have to wait.

Because who wants to wait around for 45 minutes? You'd have to watch... That's almost a whole segment of CNN. It's like you have to wait. Yeah, that's what I'll be watching. You have to wait till the next story comes around, where they go like, Anyway. Then when you see the dog on the treadmill the second time, you know you've watched about 45 minutes.

It's like a whole love is blind episode, basically.

Same thing. Have you watched CNN lately? No. They're all in a hot tub.

That's cool.

I would not be surprised.

Yeah, not at all. They're doing anything they can for ratings. But anyway, so what- The guy came to deliver, and you give your license because they're very strict about whatever you're ordering and you have to pay and stuff.

I gave him my license and my credit card.

They want to make sure that you're of age.

Of age, absolutely. Yeah, you have to be 21. I gave it to him, and then he's like, Oh, let me get my reader. I was like, Oh, I'll go so you don't have to come back all the way. And then we go, and then he goes, Can I ask you a question? He goes, Do you work for Conan O'Brien? And I go, Yeah. And he goes, I wasn't sure because my license is Tauine, which is my first name. And then it turns out he was at your last Tonight show. And he waited in the rain for hours to go and watch your last Tonight Show. He says he was the last person that they led in. And he said it was a really special day. He's been a huge fan of yours for a really long time. And I was like, Shut up and give me my weed.

Free weed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Coden, tonight's show, Emotional Moment in...

Give me the weed.

Well, that's very sweet. No, but it was really, really sweet. Did you get his name?

I did. I think I could say it. Just the first name. Nick. I'm pretty sure his name is nick.

Just a shout out to nick. That means a lot to me that you waited that you came to that show and had my back in that weird time. I think that's very cool. Yeah. I think that's very cool. Yeah. And I Now, is he going to be your regular? If you ordered from them again, would he come back, or is it a different person every time?

It's a different person every time. All right.

Hook us up, Eze.

No, I'm good, Eze. They're going to hook you up?

Yeah. Wait, what do you want?

You do not partake.

Do you? Occasionally, but I don't do very well on it. No. No. I'm probably like you, where my head just starts racing.

No, my problem is just as I exist is a problem. The idea of distorting that- Would it wouldn't mellow you out at all? No, I don't think so. What do you think?

I used to do it.

I think it would.

I think you are the candidate for it, actually.

I think it might help you, yeah. I had 10 years of solid weed use.

I didn't know that about you.

You were a potted? I wouldn't know if- Do you wake and bake?

No, but I'd noon and bake. It was like alcohol, nothing before noon.

Before noon? The rules have changed.

But all I would do is to hang with my best and watch the shittiest movie possible. That's fun. I know. It's the greatest thing ever. But then it all turned on me, and it doesn't work anymore.

Oh, it turned on Tak, too.

Tak's not a guy. People keep saying, Oh, there's a strain for you.

I've never heard. What would you prescribe me, Sona, as someone who is- An edible. An edible, but what variety of edible?

I think that you need the... Maybe a hybrid that would just chill you out, or an indica, they call it. That's the one that makes you sleepy.

Eduardo, you just jumped in on that. You think indica is the one- Indica will chill you out. Do you guys want me chilled out?

I'd like to see it.

I would love to see it. Let's try it. Let's get high. All those things of your size because you're a tall guy, I feel like you need quite a bit.

Also, you've been around me. I have a high tolerance. Yeah. Really? I have a very high tolerance for stuff.

I will say we were on a trip somewhere, and we were on a plane, and everyone was sleeping. I was reading a book, and you came back to talk to me, and I was like, Oh, man, aren't you sleeping? And you're like, Oh, I took an ambian, but it's throwing a tick tack into the sun. Yeah, that's one of my favorite things you've ever said.

That's what I said. No, it's true. It's true. I'll go to the... I don't know what it is, but if I go to the dentist and they give me what they think is a massive dose of Novocaine, then they go to drill into my tooth and I feel everything. I go, Hey, and they're like, Oh, right. We looked at your chart. You need 40 times that to put you down. You're like an elephant. That would be my issue is that I would have seven of what you just said. Which I think is... That's fine. Then I'd still be like, Hey there, let's do a podcast. There'd be no difference.

I think I want you to try it.

You know what I think it'd be funny if we equipped you guys with blow darts that shot little indica darts. I could come in and I could be like, All right, let's get started. Then, Oh, my neck. Then you get me and you get me and I start girating. Then you keep hitting me and then I'm just covered in darts, but I'm still like, All right, we got to get to Roschita Jones. Yes. And nothing takes me down.

You talk like you're high all the time. What you just said, that's something people would say when they're high. Yeah. Like, shoot me with weed darts. The fact that you're completely sober and you think of these things- I told you, I had a doctor who...

I had an initial visit with a doctor once, and he ran through all the questions, and then he said, Okay, let's talk about drug use. And I said, I don't do drugs. And he said, Well, what about cocaine? And I said, I don't do cocaine. He said, You know, these questions don't work if you don't tell the truth. I said, I don't do cocaine. He said, I've seen your work. I'm like, I don't. I've never done it in my life. It's just weird. I don't know. I'm all fucked up. Let's get into it. My guest today is a talented actress, writer and director. You star as Anne Perkins in Parks and Recreation. Now you can see her in the new Apple TV+ series, Sunny. I'm very excited that she's here today. I adore her.

Rachida Jones.

Welcome The last time we talked to you, and it's no secret, I adore you.

You were on Zoom because it was during COVID times, which we now know was a hoax.

Fixed with bleach. Yeah.

Sona's words, not mine. But anyway- Do we really need the masks?

We didn't really- Please, Sona. What were they injecting into our arms?

Sona, please. Sona. Okay, sorry.

Sona, please. You're in America now, okay? We have science here.

But you were over Zoom, and this is one of the things I love doing the podcast. But if I'm talking to someone over Zoom who I don't care that much about, I'm okay with it. Sometimes I even prefer it. But we Sheeta Jones, no, that cannot happen. That will never happen again.

Because you like to reach out and just grab different parts of my face while we're talking.

Which is my way of showing affection.

It's your language of love.

It's my language of love is to reach out and just grab a woman's face, which is, I think, the most erotic part of the body.

A nose.

An upper cheek I've always found to be. You We've talked about this, but I have a brother Neil who always will be watching TV, and he'll always point out a part of...

There'll be a woman on the news talking. He'll be like, The nape of her neck is just quite lovely.

The nape of a neck? No. No.

Does every Irish person have a brother named Neil?

Yeah, I think we do. Let's check it.

It is court-mandated that you have a brother named Neil.

Even your brother Neil has a brother named Neil.

Who finds other parts?

We're the wrist meets the ulna bone.

What? What are you talking about?

It's very creamy right there. I like that. So nice to have you here.

So nice to be here.

We were talking just before we started recording about... I was I'm telling you a story about someone I used to know who would literally, if they were thinking that someone was sending them bad energy, they would break up the field in front of their face and toss the bad energy away while you were talking to them. It looked like they were grabbing a nat out of the air, shaking it like dice and tossing it to the side. When I first came out to LA and I was meeting actors, actresses, some people would do things like that. I was telling you and you were like, I get it.

I get it. I'm doing it, too. I think as women, we're more Just kidding. I'm not going to go down that road. But I do think if you're going to believe in science, I mean, energy, exchange of energy, molecules, it's happening all the time. I mean, it's basic physics. I don't know about somebody's boyfriend interfering with your line of vision, but I do think that there's vibes. I believe in vibes strongly.

Yes, I do think there's got to be something to that.

Yes.

The boyfriend was not present, right? No, the boyfriend was right here.

Oh, he wasn't?

No, no, no. The boyfriend came out of a manhole.

No, this was someone who was just talking to me and then suddenly interrupted and- No, I get it. Gathered up the bad forces and tossed him to the side. I was a little surprised. Then she said, Oh, I think I'm getting some bad energy from my ex-boyfriend who was in Portland. We were in LA. I thought, Okay, I'm from Boston. We cover our faces when someone's actually punching us in the face. That's what we reserve that for, which It happens a lot in my case.

But now you're in California, baby. We cover our faces for different reasons. So does. Energy. That energy. Energy. Covid.

Alleged COVID. Alleged COVID.

I'm very happy you're here. I think the whole room is elevated by your presence because you have great energy. Proving the point. It's true, though.

I agree with it. She probably heard, I think that when your ear's ringing, someone's thinking about you. So I believe in that stuff. I believe in the evil eye. I I think that all that stuff works.

What's the evil lie? My ear rings all the time. Does that mean somebody's always thinking about me? I have someone in this chronic. It's someone in this room. Only one of you five.

I've been staring at you. I think about Rachida all the time. Liza's always coming into a room and I'm just focusing really hard. She's like, What are you doing? I'm like, I'm thinking about Rachida.

The only constant in your life.

Liza's totally cool with it.

She's like, Well, Rachida's cool. She gets What are you going to do? You know what's funny? I know also just before we went on mic, I was mentioning good friend of mine for a long time, Lisa Kudrow, and I'm told that you did her show, which is Who Do You Think You Are. Yeah. I did it and had not a great experience. Not anyone's fault. Wait, why? Well, because Lisa's show that she executive produces, they take people of note and they find out their lineage. Lisa said, Oh, we're going to find out so much fascinating stuff about your lineage and who you are. I said, I don't think so. I just don't think so. I think we were just people that stole horses in Ireland. Lisa was like, Don't be ridiculous. You're being crazy. No, no. Look I chewed, self-deprecating cone, and no, no, no. They took my saliva and they ran it through the machines, and I heard nothing for six months to the point where I called Lisa and she went- Insecure about your DNA.

That's amazing.

She said, You've been linked to nine crimes. No, I'm kidding. No, she said, Yeah, there's nothing. Oh, my God. I said, Nothing? I mean, no great, great, great, great, great of Charlemagne. You know what? Everyone's related to Napoleon or somebody. No, I'm related to no one. They went back about, I think, nine generations, and then I was just related to Rocks. Not even Stonehenge, though.

That is fascinating, though.

And not good rocks. Rocks are like- Boring Rocks. Rocks. Yeah, propped up an outhouse. That's a little tilty.

That is a bad experience.

Yeah. There was nothing there. But You found out some cool stuff.

I did. But let me just say to that point, maybe that's because you really are a one of a kind. You should feel better about yourself because you stand on your own. That's the ultimate anti-neppo baby find. You're the only reason you're here. Right.

There's just nothing back there. In a way, I willed myself into being. That's right. This is a terrible insult to my brothers and sisters who are lovely people. But I willed myself into being. They had to be born. Does that make any sense? Are you calling yourself a Christ?

Yes.

They were born of my mother. But I just...

I was just this- You were born of rocks.

I was- Of rock born. Two two mossy rocks hit each other. Then there was some weird friction, and then just this angry energy.

You are describing your sex life.

Two mossy rocks. Oh, my God. Don't get me all excited. Oh, my God. I just watch mossy rock videos all the time. Mossy Rocks rubbing up against each other, and I get all. But what did you find out?

Oh, God. I had a super intense experience. That's what I thought you were going to say, is that you had a super intense experience, where I I don't know if I'd ever do this now, but 15, 20 years ago, it felt appropriate for somebody to say, You don't know where you're going, but just pack clothes for cold weather. I don't know if I'd ever do that now. That sounds like a lot to ask. I packed some clothes. We went to Ireland. We started in New York, then we went to Ireland, and then I ended up in Latvia, which is where my family's from.

We never- Which side of your family?

My mother's side. My dad is obsessed with genealogy, and he's done so much research on his own for decades. We actually know a lot about our family history on my dad's side. It's pretty wild because it's a mix of a lot of different things. We have on our enslaved side, we have some stuff with owners, and they had babies. We have a lot of royalty and American presidents in our lineage from that side. They tried to follow my dad's path a little bit, hit a dead end with one man named Henry Dixon, who arrived on the shore somewhere in the south. Then they started to track my mom's side. It took a year. It took a really long time because everybody thinks they're from Russia. That's it. It was like the Russian Empire, and that's as much as we knew. But we also suspected my mom's mom's maiden name was Benson, and we thought she changed it because she's Jewish. We thought she just was trying to fit in to like, new world America when they moved here. Turns out we're Benson's forever, never, never. That's interesting. From Latvia, from a little town called Isputa Latvia that I visited, which was decimated during the war.

They just killed everybody. Then my entire family was just like, it's so dark, but just literally lined up in a pit with 40,000 other Jews in Riga and just shot one by one by one. Everybody. The only line left in my family is my great great grandfather and all of his kids. It just goes like, and then that's it. That's the only lineage left is there. It was shocking. My mom came with me, which was amazing. It was the first time in my life that I was like, Oh, I have to have a kid. It made me want to have a kid because I felt some huge imperative, some responsibility being Black and Jewish. I'm barely here. There's so many reasons for me to not be here, and I'm here, and it felt like I had to continue that lineage. I felt like a strong strong pole from the ancestors. Talk about energy.

It's interesting because your mom, Peggy Lipton, the iconic blonde that everyone was in love with in the late '60s, early '70s. Lipton just sounds like such a It must be named. Lipschitz. Lipschitz. It was Lipschitz. Oh, yeah.

It was Lipschitz when my great grandfather came to Ellis Island. Lipschitz. Yeah. Lipton is better for TV.

I think so.

And tea. Yeah.

And tea.

You want any more of that Lipschitz tea? Take the Lipschitz plunge. I did.

You had this interesting experience because you're growing up and obviously your dad, Quincy Jones, this powerhouse in the music industry, legendary person.

Then your mom had been this incredibly iconic figure who then stepped out and said, I'm stepping away from this world very consciously. Were you aware that what my mom was doing before when you were- Yeah, we knew for sure. Because you're too young to have been watching Mod Squad.

No, we were not around. We knew that she had had this It's a big thing. But I think she was really young and she was really famous, really fast. There was three networks, and everybody watched the Mod Squad, so everybody knew who she was. My mom was shy, so I I think it just did not suit her. She was like, No, whoa, no. Then when she fell in love with my dad, I think it contextualized her life in a way where she was like, Oh, this is what I want. It's like a family in a home and good friends. To keep things small like this, she wasn't that person who was seeking everybody else's approval and attention all the time.

Then I wouldn't know what that's like.

No, I know. That's why I'm explaining it to you.

She didn't want that.

She didn't have a travel show. No. She did not going to visit fans at their houses.

I don't buy it. She was playing some long con. Definitely, this is just a way to draw us in more. That's hilarious. I remember when she came to Twin Peaks, it was a huge deal. Yeah, because she came back. She came back. She came back. She was amazing. Yeah. Looked just incredible. She was back. I don't know where you would have been at that point. You still would have been a kid.

I was in high school. I was just thinking the other day, actually, because I was looking at my graduation pictures, and she was my age when I was graduating high school, when she was doing Twin Peaks, which I'm like… Because she looked so young, and I remember her being so young, and I'm like, But why don't I feel as young Well, as the way I perceived her to be. She probably didn't. She probably felt tired, just like me. But it's mind-blowing to think that that's where she was in her life, and she had two teenage kids and was like, Let me go back to this thing. Anyway, everybody makes life choices, and then you end up in the same place, I guess.

What I remember, because I was in my 20s, I think I was working on Saturday Night Live when Twin Peaks came out. I remember turning on the TV and watching with my girlfriend at the time, Twin Peaks. I cannot explain to any young person today because we're constantly being bombarded with edgy cool television on all the streaming platforms and everything. But this show came on that was unlike anything you had ever seen before. When the pilot episode ended, everybody's face fell off. He was watching it. It was nuts. It was just an obsession. Then I remembered I was working at SNL, Kyle McClocklin came on, and they did a sketch about Twin Peaks. I remember. They needed someone. They needed a guard to be holding Chris Farley in the background. They always did this for some reason. I looked like a guy who should be doing something on television, but no one knew what the fuck what. Lauren or Jim Downey was always saying, Just put the costume on Konan and just have him. I'm standing there. I don't think I even have a line. I'm just holding on to Chris Farley in the background of this Twin Peaks sketch.

But it changed everything. But TV was a certain thing, and then this show came and you saw what a TV show could be. Yeah. How weird it could be.

It was so weird. It was so original. I was obsessed. It was scary, too. It was so scary. This is probably not appropriate for a teenager in high school, but I was so scared of Bob. I would check my bed every night. My mom is on the show. I know it's fake. I remember going to set and seeing him walk by on set, and it felt like everything slowed down when he walked by. Then eventually, by the way, in my 20s, when I went to the premiere of the movie Firewalk with Me, I saw Bob, still don't know his real name, something Silva. I went to go introduce myself because I was like, This is ridiculous. I'm an adult. I need to get over it. He was so nice.

He said, I was under your bed.

He said, I have I remember.

By the way, I was under there.

You were right to be scared.

I didn't do anything, but I was under there.

He was a set dresser. He was a set dresser for Twin Peaks, and David Lynch saw him on camera, was like, There we go. There's our guy.

There's the guy.

But what I was going to say is kids now, maybe they don't understand, but I think they do. Kids now give Twin Peaks its flowers, however they say it. They really love Twin Peaks because there still isn't really anything like it. It's so authentically weirdo in a way that people try to manufacture now, but it's like, It's David Lynch TV, which is not like any other TV.

When he did it, there was just nothing like it. I remember just being electrified You'd wait for the next, and you had to wait. You had to wait. I know there are still shows where you have to wait, but this was quite uncommon at the time. It's all any of us thought about. I was living in New York and watching Twin Peaks.

Me, too. My mom wouldn't tell me anything. She had to sign some NDA every time she got a new script, and she would not tell me anything.

You have that going on. You also have... The last time we were on the podcast, we talked a lot about the documentary you did, which I think was lovely and spectacular about your dad, Quincy. That's the title of the documentary. That's not me having the gall to call your dad Quincy.

You can. He would insist, actually.

Hey, how's Quincy? Hey, how's Q doing? Tell him C wants to know.

It doesn't have the same ring, I don't think.

No, it doesn't.

It really doesn't.

Yours is more like a disease.

Tell him the big C says high. Cancer?

Oh, no.

But I think one of the coolest parts in that documentary that just blows my mind is when Frank Sinatra is on some TV show and he calls, you had the footage, he calls your dad out and says, by the way, this is the best arranger, producer, music genius I know. Let's get him out here, Quincy Jones. I thought, just such a stunning moment.

Yeah. He was a champion. Frank was his champion. They really loved each other a lot. Also, it's in the documentary, but there was so much racism at the time, and Frank had a lot of power, and he used it to change things because they wouldn't let the band stay at the casinos they were playing at. He was like, I'm not playing. My band's not staying here. I'm not playing.

Absolutely incredible. Were you interested in music for that reason? I know that music is a big part of your life, obviously, but I also think you got very interested in religion. I think you studied. Did you study religion in college?

Yeah, I did.

That's fascinating. Was there a certain religion you were drawn to, or did you find yourself bopping around between different religions?

I boped a little bit. I I grew up culturally Jewish. My mom was Jewish. Then I spent a lot of time. My mom took us to a Hindu meditation ashram, so I spent a lot of time there as a kid and lived in India for a little bit. But then I was really into Buddhism. I was in a church choir. I was all over the place. I just liked the ritual of religion. I thought it was really cool.

I grew up very Catholic, and so there's a lot of rules and obviously guilt and things like that. Then later on, just in my life, when I'm just living in LA and trying to be open to different things, and you're exposed to things like Buddhism, I think, Oh, my God, this is fantastic. This is amazing.

There's another way.

There's another way. To look at it. I don't have to necessarily hate myself. Right. But that might just be you. No, but I know. Then other people say, No, you- No, you should. Everyone said, You really should.

No.

No. No. That was such an unconvincing new- I don't believe it.

I'm not buying it.

You were talking about how Twin Peaks got its flowers, or it was a really nice thing has happened with Parks and Recreation, which was always a great show. Something happened where, and I think it's a nice part of this world we live in, where people have access to these shows. It used to be when a show was over, it would slip beneath the waves and that was it. Sometimes the show occasionally would be shown in reruns and become popular. But Parks and Recreation has just bloomed really in such a lovely way because few people know, and I think a lot of young people today wouldn't know, that Parks and Recreation was on the bubble a bit at NBC.

The whole time, not even a bit. Every single season, we were like, This is it. They're not going to want us back. At one point, we were canceled, and then the President of NBC got off the plane and changed his mind. He was like, Don't cancel it yet, I guess. It It wasn't a thing at all. I think the critics really championed it. There was a couple like, Seepin Wall. Allan Seepin Wall was our guy. He was, right from the beginning, very generous and nice about the show. But no, it was like ratings. Remember when you used to look at ratings every morning? Like the overnights? I do. Yeah. And like the weekly ratings and your Nielsen and your share and all the stuff. We never succeeded there. We were never. There was like, We'd get something a little better. We'd get a bump from, I don't know, some other show in front of us or something. But the whole time, we were just holding on for dear life, hoping we got to do more, which is probably part of why it was so good. Because there was no stardom. It wasn't infiltrated by any outside feelings about us.

People liked us if they knew who we were. And besides that, we just had fun together. And it's nice, the rewriting, but I'm like, But I need people to understand because I think it's iconic now. It's like one of those great comedies of that time, which is so awesome. But we didn't feel that way. Actually, I think it was five years ago, we went to the Dolby and we did a 10th anniversary thing where we all came out, the whole cast. The reception was so... I felt like the Beatles. It was so nuts. People were screaming so loud. We were all crying because we We had never been in a room where anybody cared. We were there as a crew, you know what I mean? Together, it was so wild.

I saw that happen once because I know that you were a comedy nerd for things like SCTV and SNL. When you were growing up, SCTV was a huge influence on me. This show made in Toronto. Katherine O'Hara and John Candy and Marty Short and Eugene Levy and Joe Flaherty. The list goes on and on and on. These amazing performers. They did such a smart sketch show that in so many ways was so much more. It had all these levels that SNL could never have. Snl was great, but then there was a show that could get to all these different levels. They did a reunion, and I'm a huge SCTV fanatic, so they asked me to do it. This is back in the '90s, and they asked me to go to Aspen. I'm there with all these people that I had never met before. I go out on stage with them, and I start interviewing and we start showing clips. There's this giant crowd there that's just exploding with laughter. They're all looking at each other, and they said, We've never seen people laugh at this. Because they made it. It was a show that didn't have a studio audience.

They made it, they constructed it, and then they put it on TV. There are all these people that revered it, but I don't think they knew that. They had that same feeling. I don't tear up easy, but I was very emotional that were having what they should have had at the beginning.

Totally. But sometimes great things take a while to discover. I have to have faith in that because in this weird business, we make things and people don't care. There's too much on TV or nobody's seen it. Then somebody says to you, in a mall somewhere, 15 years later, That thing changed my life. That's the reason to do it.

I always try and boil it down to make stuff that you like and put it out there, and Then sometimes you get a ping back, sometimes you hear nothing, sometimes you get something back, but it's 15 years later. But that's not our job. This is the Buddhist side of me now. Our job is just to-Put it out there.put it out there and then see what happens.

Then hopefully somebody loves you for it one day.

Yeah, we'll see. But really, it's about the money. Monetize it.

That's good you went into podcasting.

I'm sorry. No, it's for me. It's about money. I'm More specifically, real estate. Oh, God. Because real estate can always be converted into cash.

You know you have a guest to talk to, right?

Who's here? Rachida Jones. Oh, shit. I love her. She's fantastic. Just turn. Rachida. Oh, oh, oh, oh, Rachida. You have property, right? You're putting some of it into property because it's- If I don't, do I have to leave? This show eventually gets to property. It would be great if this podcast morphed into, we start talking about creative stuff, and then it always got back to, what land do you I have. Are you renting it? I see your Zillow page.

Flipping property.

Yeah. Florida, not a good idea.

Tax is low, though. No taxes.

Very good. What's happening?

It is. It was a joke, and then it wasn't.

You said something in some interview that I really connected with, which is you always sought out funny people, comedy writers, people that you could rift with. I always thought, Yeah, I understand that. Someone else who was cynical might say, Oh, you're a network. It's like, no, it's such a gift to be around, to surround yourself with really funny people and just make that your life, make that your environment.

Well, also because it makes you feel funny. I mean, it's a little selfish, too. And by the way, it didn't not help. I mean, it was good to know my comedy friends in college, this feeling. They understand you in a way that maybe when you go in for an audition, just randomly, they're You're not going to really understand the depth of what you're able to do. But if you have a friend who's a writer who's on the other side of it, i. E. Mike Sure, who I was friends with since freshman year, he can... Although he made it really hard to get both parts on the office in Parks and Rags. I wish I didn't have a friend on the inside. He made it harder. He made it harder. He's a fair guy. He's so fair. He might have show about being the good place is about fair, right and wrong.

He a whole book on ethics.

That's what I'm saying. He's been that guy forever.

Mike, knock it off. He's so just.

Stop it. Stopping so ethical.

He does wear it on his sleeve a little bit. What's he hiding?

What's he hiding? Where's the pie?

He's the guy who's like, Well, let's make sure everyone gets an equal slice of pie. My attitude is, I've been on TV the longest.

I have the most property. Yeah, I have the most property.

He gave me the pizza. I should get half the pie. Hey, maybe all the pie, and you guys can go fuck yourself.

Oh, my God. I'm sorry, Rachida. I'm glad you weren't my boss. Mike's the best. Mike's the best. He's great.

We're doing a fun-We're doing a bet.

We're doing a bit. We're doing a bit.

Because he said he listens to this podcast. Oh, he does? Yeah.

Make sure you're a monster. I love you.

Pretend to be ethical. I love you so much. Oh, look, sure. The mic says, Sure. Oh, wow. He's here with us.

Yeah.

Sorry, promo for the mics.It's that?

Sure.it's not spelled like that.It's not spelled like that, but they say, Sure. But anyway, the point is, he, for the most part, did not give me parts. I wish he did. But I think he saw the thing in me that he knows has existed since I was 18 years old. It's not just about what I'm doing on that day as an audition. He can understand the fullness of me in a way that I think is nice, and it does help. It did help me. But yes, I like to be spreaded by funny people. I often play the straight guy. That's okay. I don't mind. I like it.

The straight person in the history of show business not say the straight man, because that's what he was called for a long time in Vodville and in the movies, the straight man was actually considered much more important because they held the straight person. Their names always came first. It was Abbott and Castello. It was Martin and Louis. It was The straight person really was the person who was in charge of the whole act and made it all work because of their reactions. Then the wacky person was often less valued. Right.

Interesting.

Things have changed. To me, it's huge, though, how much being a good straight person is absolutely crucial.

You have to have an anchor. If not, it's just a bunch of people jumping off the walls. I think Parks had some combination of like, goofy and straight the whole time. Well, No one could switch off. Everybody got to be all of it. It was the nice thing about it. Eventually, after six years, too, maybe year one, I was like, straight, straight, straight. But by year four, I was pretty goofy.

I want to talk about this project that you're working on because it's a very cool idea. This is something where you're in the show, you're also producing the show.

Yeah.

Okay. Sunny, it's a fascinating idea. Do you want to lay out the idea?

Because you haven't seen it.

I have not.

I have not. I didn't get to see it.

No, no one sent it to me. No. No, no. No one sent it to Sunny. Maybe I don't think it even sent it to you.

Sona and I watched the whole thing. Did you? No.

I'll send it to you guys.

No, they always, if there's a tape that I'm allowed to watch, and I tape to show how old I am.

I don't think they respect podcasters. That's the feeling.

No, I got nothing. But I want to see it because it sounds fantastic.

Yeah, it's a very odd, very original, and it's It's a mystery thriller set in the near future in Japan. It's about a woman, me, who is grieving the loss or potential loss of her husband and son were on a plane crash, and she doesn't know what happened. In the aftermath of the plane crash, she sent what is considered a Homebot, which is a little robot, a cute little robot that she finds out was designed by her husband. I think I can say that. Yeah, it's in the trailer.

His electronics, robotic company. Yes.

Produced this little thing for me to keep me company and help me grieve.

Here's what's interesting to me about it, because your character lives in Kyoto, and What fascinated me about it is that I actually did a piece on this when I was in Japan, you can rent a family because there's an issue in Japanese culture with people being lonely. What they decided to do is say, You can rent a family. I did a travel segment where I went to Japan and went to the agency and I rented. I said, I'm in Japan for literally seven days, six days, but I want a wife, I want a teenage daughter, and I want a father. The person, they were all like, yes. They got me these people who did not really speak English. Oh, my God. I started confronting my, quote, father about issues that I have with my real father. And guess what? It helped. I had all this closure.

Because he couldn't talk back. That's why- Exactly. But he was like- He couldn't understand you.

He was white haired and really handsome. The woman who signed on to be my wife, she It's not her real daughter. It's also an actress or someone who's been trained to be the teenage daughter. The teenage daughter, I'm doing my shtick and my jokes. At one point, I say something to the daughter, and the daughter turns to the mother and in Japanese says, I don't understand what he's saying. The mother says in Japanese, not understanding that we can translate all this and put it under the screen, he's making jokes, just laugh. She says, But I don't them. The wife says, It doesn't matter.

That feels somewhat emblematic of… That's like a moment in your career, right? Does that happen any other time?

That's a moment in my family life.

It doesn't matter, just laugh. They're not even funny.

My wife is just like, Look, he's a good earner. A good earner. But there is… I always think a good idea has an element of truth in it. When I heard about this idea, and I guess it's based on an Irish writer wrote this. It's Colin O'Sullivan. It's a dark idea, but it's also a funny idea that you would have a consolation robot. If you've experienced a loss, that's one thing. But I'm thinking it would have all these applications, and it will exist, would have all these implications for people like us in show business to just be like, Good one, Konan.

Totally. You're so funny. The robot does think I'm hilarious. You're beloved. My character hates it, which is funny, too, because I bet you would hate it if you actually- No.

I'd be like, This fucking robot gets it. Finally. Finally.

Somebody smart. I'm a robot. I was hired just to do this for him.

You guys aren't even real, right? And you don't. I learned quickly.

All these two do is shit on me.

You're robots that were, I don't know, the programming got backwards or something.

You broke our programming. We can't even do what we're supposed to do.

Yeah, well, I screwed up somewhere. I actually think, perversely, I like the other.

I like- That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's right. You want to be ragged on. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I think that's human nature. But yeah, this is expressly weird because once the robot shows up, my life gets really dangerous and people want things for me, and I don't know what, and I'm not even sure I can trust her. That's the other thing. It's like, we're talking about AI and the imperfections of AI. You can train something to become sentient to grow and learn really fast. But then what? Does she have her own thing that she wants to do that, I don't know, might put me in danger?

When it comes to something like AI, I'm curious to get your take. Are you optimistic or very pessimistic?

I'm a little bit, I guess, I would say agnostic about this because it is what it is. It's here. It's an inevitability. We're here. It's not like it's coming. It's already here. To me, it's hilarious, ironic that I think AI was created at the pace and the compulsion that it was because the people who make it are so obsessed with what it means to be human that they're trying to replicate it somewhere else. That, to me, is like, Oh, it's like we're missing the point, which is instead of really drilling down on that with each other, we're just training and creating data sets and stuff somewhere else so that we can, I don't know, know more about ourselves. It doesn't really make that much sense to me. But it's here, I think there's obviously going to be tons of applications that are positive and tons that are negative. I mean, look at the internet. I'm like a floodite in that way. I think there's so much destruction that's come from social media, mainly the monetization of behavior and the The meddling with the way people interact with each other, I think, is so dangerous because we're so susceptible.

We are built to be susceptible. We want to connect with each other so badly that we'll believe anything to do it. I think AI could potentially do that to us, too. But I will say, working with this little robot or even when I did the Muppet movie, it was so quickly that I was having full conversations with Fawzia and not the puppet performer. It's very, very quickly you start to believe these things have a soul. A voice and an expression and a couple of little head tilts and a touch of your wrist, and all of a sudden you're like, Oh, you're so sweet, and I care for you.

But that's an artist making that happen. Totally. See, and that's what I think.

Totally. There's still a person making that.

We'll see, though. Yeah, we're going to find out. I don't know. What I keep going back to is that it's the job of humanity the artistic people to whatever comes along, what I completely agree with is it's here. There's no putting it back into a Pandora's box and shutting it, nailing it shut. No. That's not going to happen. It's here. Then it's a challenge to artists everywhere to push beyond. That might sound naive, but I always think when this analogy, I think, has been made by other people. But when photography came along and I mean, it was a big thing for anyone who painted to make portraits. That was a huge piece of the revenue. And suddenly they're like, We're good. And so then we get all this impressionism, expressionism, cubism. It's just always the job of humans if the technology challenges us for us to rise above. That's where I am.

Rise above and to integrate. I mean, sound in movies changed everything. Every single time we have some advancement in technology, we do have to change as artists. I think people younger than us don't understand the tension where we feel like our pure thing that we do is somehow at odds with the technology that's available. They're just like, Awesome. Let me take that and extrapolate and interpret and do a bunch of stuff with it. It is going to be one of those things like, We're going to have to become friends with it because it's going to be how we have to make what we make and hopefully better. I don't know.

When you talk about being a Luddite, being someone who's not that comfortable with technology, I'm definitely that way. I'm a pen and paper guy. When I go on the computer, it's either Sona is standing behind me or my- Grandpa hit the return button. I don't understand.

We're on.

Power on. I have an uneasy relationship with it. But I think the thing that I dislike the most about the last 25 years is that, A, I've aged terribly, and B, No.

No, no, no. Trust me. No, you're cute. You're forever crush. You are.

You are. No, you'll see. No, you'll see what's the- I'll see.

You'll see. What? I know.

What does that mean?

What does that mean?

It means that when I take my headset off, this is going to fall apart.

You're just going to Dorian gray in 20 seconds?

Yeah. What is it on Game of Thrones? Melisandra. Melisandra. Where once you leave, I retreat to another room, and suddenly I have low-hanging, what we call dugs. That's a low-hanging. What? A low-hanging... That's what she... Melisandra on Game of Thrones, when she's beautiful and then she takes up- Who's he? Who's calling them Dugs? Who's Dugs? Don't look at me.

Don't look at me. I'm not in I'm not doing this with you.

The poets, back the classic poets.

They called them Dugs?

Dugs, D-U-G-S. Look it up.

I was just talking about people's Dugs.

Trival Dugs is like, I'm going to say, either T. S. Elliott or one of the great poets. Yes, It's a term for an old woman's- Man with wrinkled dugs. Yes. A man or a woman with breasts and wrist tagging down.

I'm only calling them dugs from now on. But it's not a Google search. But it's not a compliment. But it's not a compliment. No, I know. But I'm going to be like... But I'm going to turn it into a compliment.

Okay, well, I just want all of our listeners to know that's the word of the day, dugs. Dugs. If someone's breasts are really hanging down, man or woman go like, You got some shrivel dugs there.

Can you say, Hey, nice dugs?

It doesn't work that way. That's what I'm doing.

No, that's what I'm doing. We're changing it. If someone says, Where did that come from? Go, Hey, man, Esra Pound, T. S. Elliott, get with it. Then you're cool. Then you're cool. Anyway, here's the part that I was saying that I don't like about the last 20 years before we got off onto shrivel dugs, is that Stop saying Shriveled Dogs. Shriveled Dogs. Anyway, what I'm going to say is that I think they found a way to game humans, and they realized that humans naturally are attracted to and compelled by conflict. I think we We've always knew that, which is why we like movies where things blow up and there's a bad guy and a good guy. But they've gone hyper with it so that everything, including the news, has to be people shouting at each other. All reality shows have to be people shouting at each other. If we were doing this right, I'd constantly be angry at Matt. Matt would constantly be angry at me. Well, I know, but you are, but you have to tamp it down. But I guess my point is that's the part where I think I've seen it, in fact, comedy, where where a lot of comedians, they just want to say things that piss people off, or they want to rail against this or rail against that.

I think that can be fine until we're losing our sense of, Is this funny? Is this something that makes me laugh?

Or also We're losing sight of what real conflict is because everything is conflicted now. Our fight or flight is so often being incited that it's like whatever cortisol you're dumping that you're supposed to use to run away from a lion or a tiger and go hide in a cave for two months. All day long, every day, people are like, Corazal, Corazal, I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm in trouble. The world's going to end all day long, every day. You become so desensitized when you're actually supposed to care about something and something's a real conflict. It's very strange. Also that it's all intentional that the people who are building these platforms know that. They know it. They're buying into it, and they want to modify our behavior. They want us to keep coming back and engaging. The way to do that is to keep us in conflict. Everybody's mad at each other right now. They should be mad at the people who built these platforms. To me, this is not what free speech and technology can do at its best. I know everybody's like, But we're connected. Are we? No. I was like, We're not connected.

Well, I was at some Silicon Valley event, I want to say maybe eight years ago. And afterwards, I'm talking to a lot of these Silicon Valley big wigs, billionaires who are in their 20s and early 30s. And one of them said to me, Well, we're just making the world a better place. And I said, No, you're making the world a different place.

Exactly.

But I don't know. And then we got into it because they didn't like that.

Good.

They didn't like that. Good. I'm glad you did. But then they gave me a billion dollars. And you shut up.

And you just shut up on the spot.

I said, You're making the world a better place.

And Can we have some?

No, I bought land with it. Oh, man. The land. I have all of Connecticut. Really? Then underwater, I own everything underwater off. You don't pay us for this, right? What's that?

We don't get paid for this.

I know. It's a volunteer thing.

That's a bad deal for you, I know. You got to look out for yourself.

Where are they going to go? It's true.

I got nothing else going on.

It's an Apple TV Plus series called Sunny, and I have not seen it yet. I can't wait to see it because it's a very cool idea, but also I said it before, I'll say it again, I adore you. You are so funny. You're so smart. You're Jesus Christ.

I'm Jesus Christ. Yes. Congratulations. What? No, no. I'm not accepting that title.

No, you didn't let me finish Jesus Christ, you're Rachida Jones. That's a pretty cool thing to be. I think I'm more of the Jesus figure here. Oh, man. A ruining thing. Kind of rose from the dead when you think about it. I had a bad cold last week. Now I'm fine. Anyway, please. I loved having you here, and please come back anytime. I would love to. You're also in the neighborhood, so come buy some time and have lunch with us, and you'll pay, I guess.

Is this a real offer? Yeah.

We will take you out to lunch. To a really nice... Yeah, we'll go to Great White right down the street. I love Great White. Yeah. Awesome. I'm all hooked up there. Are you? Meaning if I go there and I wait long enough, they let me in. They don't throw you out. That's my definition of I'm hooked up. If I get there early, put my name down and wait for a really long time.

Half the time I get in, I'm hooked up.

Anyway, thank you so much for being here.

Thank you. It was so fun. Thank you.

Thanks, you guys. Rubarb, rubarb. Rubarb, walla, walla.

Rubarb, walla, walla, testing, testing. I'm sorry, I'm trying to have a human moment. Yeah, don't. You're not good at those.

The room's in an uproar right now Now, Eduardo, you explain what you were saying.

Yeah. I recently went to Vegas, and I was at the craps table.

Do you have a problem or anything?

No, no. Would you like one?

No, but this is one of your regular activities. You go to Vegas and you play craps.

I wish I did it a little more regular, but yes, I do like to roll a die. Anyway, I'm sitting there, and if you're there long enough, you get to talk to the dealers.

If you have a big enough problem, you get to talk to the dealers.

Are they dealers or are they croupiers?

They're dealers. The person sitting at the center is called the Stick Man. Insert joke.

No, I'm not going to do a joke about that.

A dick joke.

No, I would never do that. No, no. Although in high school, they called me the Stick Man. Okay. There you go. No, because I had a stick shift car. My penis was nothing like a steak. It's all smushed.

More like a leaf.

Come on. No, it's like a crushed peanut shell. Anyway, let's get on with it.

Anyway, so chit-chatting with one of the dealers.

You know what? They love it when people come and just chit chat with them. They must love you.

Yeah, it was a cool dude. Okay. Anyways, so he ended up asking me what I do for a living, and I said, I work in podcasting. Then he goes, Oh, do you work on any funny ones? I said, Yeah, I work on, 'Conan O'Brien' needs a friend. He goes, Conan, I love Sona.

' 'Conan, I love Sona.

You know what? I'm happy for you, Sona.

No, you're not. I am. No, I really am. I could see it in your face. You're thinking of something right now.

No, I'm not. Something's bubbling.

No, I'm happy for you. I'm happy that you finally got a win. You finally got a W.

Finally got a win.

But no. Anyway, that's nice. I like it. That's nice that people are out there listening.

Yeah, I thought it was cool, which led me to my next point. Speaking of the W.

Exactly.

At the win, SiriusXM has just acquired a studio there, and I thought it would be a good exercise for us to take a little field trip and maybe check out the studio, go record.

Do a trip to Vegas? Do a record, record an episode or two of Cona O'Brien.

There's plenty of acts on the stripped. I'm sure you can talk to anyone. Carrotop?

I would love- Jeff Dunham.

We could get Jeff Dunham.

Can we please go and take you guys to a club and then record it, please, at a table. I want a table. What do you mean? I want a table.

What club? What do you mean what club? What club?

Just say it, a strip club. Not a strip club. No.

One where they get dressed.

Yes. They don't... What? You think the opposite of a strip club is where people put clothes on? They put more clothes on. No, it's a club.

They play sexy music and people come in moderately dressed. They're dressed for late summer. Then as the music plays, they put on more and more clothing until they're wearing several parkas.

Yeah, it's decidedly unsexy music.

No, the music they play is take some sugar off me.

Oh my God. Take some sugar off me. You know what?

On second thought, I just heard that all the clubs are closed.

No, you You don't want to party with these two guys?

But listen, so anyway, Sona and Eduardo, I want to give you guys, I want to give them a little rope to let this play out. So what you're saying is, if I get this right, we go to the wind, they have a serious XM studio there, and maybe we do an episode or two of Cona O'Brien Needs a Friend from The Wind. Now, the idea, I'm guessing what interests you about this is you get to hang and chat up your favorite-I'm looking for a free stay at Vegas.

But I remember this very clearly from the early years of my dealings with Sona.

She would come back from a weekend and she looked bedraggled. Bedraggled. I would say, What's up? You said me and my crew, you and your gang, and you said, We did a Vegas U-turn. Right. And explain what a U-turn is.

I think we've talked about this before. Yeah, we have. A You turn is in the beginning of the evening, you and your friends, or not in the evening, but you drive to Vegas, you don't have a hotel or anything. You party all night. Then in the morning, you get some Denny's or whatever, and then you just drive back.

I think What I remember as a detail is that you changed clothing in a car.

In a parking lot. In a parking lot. In a parking structure.

Parking structure. An aristocrat. Oh, I see.

We went to one of those clubs you were talking about. Where we go and we change into our clothes.

But what I'm is this would not be a U-turn. I know that we've discussed that before.

You can't handle a U-turn.

I can handle a U-turn.

You cannot handle a U-turn.

Oh, I did. Listen, you forget that I come from humble means. I drove out in a shitty car with Greg and Rob Lzebnik, and Rodman, and we went to Vegas. This is back in the mid '80s.

I did not know this.

We stayed in the old Vegas where literally the buildings were built in the '40s. Yeah. Those are all gone. Yeah, this was back in the day. Anywho, I remembered saying, someone needs to tear all this down, and I said that to the owners. I don't know. I don't know what I think about this. I don't know. Do we get good people to come on the podcast? Of course.

In Vegas? Yeah. Yeah, I think. I mean, Adele is there, right? Bruno Mars has me. Bruno Mars is there. I mean, that's fun.

What about them, Thunder from Down Under, guys?

I've seen that. There's the Sphere, that new venue, the Sphere.

Oh, you know it'd be so funny us doing this in the Sphere? It's just all these insane projections all around us in three dimensions and holograms, and we're just sitting here going, Yeah, I don't know. That guy's a big dick.

I love to do a Clueless gamer in the Sphere and see you just eat shit on like... You can't turn left.

I can't turn left.

Just us playing I'm sitting there with some nerd.

No, I don't know. I have to say, you could say, Vegas is my kryptonite, meaning there's not... I don't gamble. It's not like I just want to hit a bar. It's not a lot of stuff that I like to do. Now, to be fair, I've never seen a show in Vegas.

Let me also say the culinary experience is different now. It's true. If you love to eat, there's great restaurants.

Oh, I've heard that.

It's a It's like foodie town now.

It is. Aren't there cocktails all a little just day glow? No.

Some of the best cocktails now. You would appreciate it.

You don't have to get mad at me.

Wait a minute. I'm suspicious. I've never seen Eduardo this animated about anything. That includes the time we talked about soccer, or as he calls it, football. I had given him a assigned messy jersey, and he was excited, but he's more excited about, Yeah, we can go to the win. Vegas has it I'm thinking, he's getting paid.

Do you get the feeling he's in great debt and he has to actually get you there to save his ass?

I think that his nice chat with the craps guy was more or less the guy saying, Hey, Tony, get over here. Let me You break your fingers. We got to break this guy's legs.

He went, Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, We're going to spend a lot of money and you're going to get Konan, and it's going to be great.

All right, you've got 24 hours.

Konan will open for Sona, right?

Yeah.

Konan opens. Keep it short. He seems needy. But then Sona comes in, and hey, would Sona do well? Would she play one of the big rooms?

Oh, you bet she would.

Hope her brother out.

All right. Oh, my God. This is the second, by the way, Vegas employee that is a big fan of yours. This is your Nice. Yeah. The waiter that I had when I went, and now this guy.

You've got two people in Vegas.

Yes, two people in Vegas.

Well, listen, Eduardo, I don't want you to get killed. I don't think they would kill you. I do think they'd smash your fingers and your legs. That's fair. We'll help you out. We'll get to Vegas. Great. I'll book it.

I do think it's fun.

Okay. Well, I know you're going to have a good time. Also, maybe a little break from the kids, if you know what I mean.

What do you mean?

I mean, you've made it very clear that you love your children. Love them. But they're destroying Yeah. I hate them at the same time. That's called Parenthood. So 24, 36 hours in Vegas? Yes. When? When.

Can we do a U-turn tonight?

Well, I don't know. Eduardo, I think, is the one who's in Dutch. It needs to happen.

All right, it's a done deal.

We'll go to Vegas. I'll figure it out. Daddy will figure it out.

Yay.

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