This is the BBC. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the UK. Bbc Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts. This episode contains references to drug use and sexual abuse and suicide, which some listeners may find distressing. It's early morning on the 26th of July, 2019. Kim has been on the run for five months. He thought he was in the clear. What he didn't predict or expect was for his plans to be thrown into chaos by someone he trusted, Angie.

I have a police friend, and I took a picture of his plates, and I said, Hey, I'm not scared of this guy, but will you run these plates? Because I can be quite the idiot sometimes. She ran them, and the next thing I knew, the federal marshals called me, and they I said, Stay away from him. He's dangerous.

And yet, despite being warned to stay away from him, here she was with Kim at this rundown motel in downtown Colorado Springs, and her tip-off had led the marshals right to him. Arms out. Arms out to your side. Here's how it played out. Kim had arranged to hook up with Anja at a downtown motel. Now, she's nowhere to seen. The place was now swarming with US marshals and local police, waiting patiently outside for hours, heavily armed. Until, Kim emerges from his room and heads for his van. He looks scrawny, greasy, and disheveled. Guns drawn, the marshals move in quickly. Kim's final moments of freedom are captured on police bodycam footage.

Yeah, he's got to warm, my friend.

What's your name?

We were on him pretty quick with good reason.

That's US Marshal Mike Harvat. He heard him in the previous episode.

There was a moment where you could see the wheels turning in his head. What's your real name?

If you wanted to talk, we're going to have to get to be honest with me.

Is there a way out of this? He did not have anywhere to go. And so that moment came and it went, and then it was just he gave up. It would not have ended well for him, I can tell you that much.

Can we get Martin to get an abandoner?

I've got my things on my back a bit.

I've got a bag and it's got one of my savings in it.

We can deal with that after we establish who you are and what we're doing here, right? So What's your date of birth?

Now, cuffed, Kim has moved over to the shade of a nearby tree, and Mike begins searching him. After muttering no comment to their questions, Kim meekly asks the arresting marshals for a drink of water. Can I have a drink of water? No, man, that's not talking how it works.

You can't be an asshole to us and then you can have water for a drink of water. We're just trying to identify who you are. If not, you're going to go down any way and we're going to fingerprint you, figure out exactly who you are. But if you're going to jail regardless. I understand that. Okay, let's walk over to Mike's car real quick and we'll talk more about that.

Once inside the car, Mike takes a photo of him. He looked shattered and scruffy, less like the wolf he seemed to see himself as, and more like a rabbit caught in the He definitely had the grunge ball look.

It was just very grungey, like beat up. See a lot of the fugitives that are on the run for a while. They almost always say, I'm just glad it's over, because what they become accustomed to is just looking over their shoulder every little moment of the day. And it's extremely stressful, obviously, to think, When are they going to get me? When are they going to get me? I think the run was taking its toll on him a little bit.

Kim had finally run out of road. But just how long had he been running for? Ever since he left Inverness? Or has he been running for longer? I'm Miles Bonna, and this is Dead Man Running, episode 4, Vince. For years since Kim disappeared, I've been researching a TV documentary on his story. Good. Okay. So this has been recorded as an interview for the BBC, the Are you happy to proceed for this interview? Yes. When I got a hold of the body cam footage, I could see for myself how it came to an end for him in Colorado. But what I didn't know is where it all began. I had most of the story, but there were still gaps, particularly about Kim's life before he arrived in Inverness.

There was always a bit of mystique about him.

He could have perpetuated that himself.

I have wondered if maybe he was in prison.

Some people said that he turned up with a horse originally, and he was living in a off-grid way. That legend that he rode in on a horse was all the town seemed to know. That's where Kim's story seemed to start. Her film air in March 2024, and the day after, an email dropped into our mailbox.

I watched your Chilling Dead Man Running documentary last night. Those taking part didn't appear to know where Kim Avis had come from. He seems to have just appeared in Inverness. Having seen the monster that this man became, I thought this information might interest you. As a teenage punk, the safest place to hang out in the very early 1980s was the market town of Berry St. Edmunds. One of the most well-known characters in Berry was Vince Avis. He was never known as King.

I kept reading.

He was even then very very magnetic and charismatic. I got to know Vince very well. He became a friend, and he also became the singer in the first band I was in.

Family member After a very drunken party at his sister's house, with whom he had then moved in, The pair of us bumped up in his bed upstairs.

And in the morning, a human skull had appeared in the bed. And this has always been a mystery.

Maybe this email could lead me to some answers about who Kim really was and where he came from. Hey, can you hear me? Hello. I'm going to turn you up a little bit.

You're nice and loud.

So this is Paul Devine. After getting his email, I wanted to talk to him, and he'd agreed to meet over Zoom. He started off by telling me about his punk band, which seemed to have taken off back in the day.

To begin with, we were called No More Ghosts, which didn't really work. And then I came with the name Cult of the Head.

There's actually a press clipping from December 1982 announcing Cult of the Head's first ever concert at Chedborough Village Hall. The band's lead singer was dressed in black, his clothes wrapped by a studded belt. He had wild jet black, spiked up hair, and clearly had loads of charisma and bags of energy.

Vin Sabis, not Kim. Nobody had ever heard of him being called Kim. He was he was Vince.

Paul was similarly dressed. He had black eyeliner on, tight jeans with Winklepickers, and a dark fringe draped over one eye. Paul first met Vince at a gig in the early 1980s. They instantly hit it off. Vince told Paul he was setting up a band and that he was on the look out for a bassist. So Paul, Vince, and two others practiced and quickly got bookings under the band name Cult of the head. It turns out Berry St Edmunds was a real hotbed of punk bands back in the day.

We did several gigs. The songs themselves were good and I'm my own worst critic, the quality of the songwriting for a bunch of Charlie's from East Anglia in 1982, '03, is extraordinary. Vince was writing some dark stuff, as was I. I had wrote some of the lyrics.

What was it like being in a band with him?

God. Well, he was, I think, the reason why we got so many people come to see us. Part of the fact we were brilliant. But his presence, because he was a legend, he was a local hero in a way.

Do you know how he became a legend, how he was so popular?

I think it's because he was one of the first of the Berrypunks, or the first, possibly. I guess there is with everything, is it? There's a hierarchy where if you were in on the ground, you had an extra stripe. Looking back, I wouldn't have said that Vin Zavis really had a bad bone in his body. He was as unreliable as you could want. He wouldn't turn up to rehearsals. I mean, we were surprised if he turned up to a concert, to be fair. That was the bloke he was. He was quite a mysterious butterfly of a guy.

And it wasn't just his bandmates that thought this. Tell me your full name.

Okay. It's Sonia Van der Steen-Pyatt.

Paul put me in touch with Sonia. Back in the '80s, she and Paul were a bit of a thing, and Sonia showed me this great photo of her looking proper cool with a cult of the head bandtee on. I went to see Sonia at her home in Brighton. Tell me how you came to know Vince Avis.

Well, my first real memory, and I think I'm pretty sure it was in 1977, was at school in King Edwards. And I remember the occasion very well because there was a great buzz. Everybody was whispering, Oh, God, have you seen that guy. He's just come back from Borstil. That's why he came to term late. I totally believed it. But now I'm thinking, was that just a bit of a glamorous made-up story?

Like Sonia, I had my doubts whether Kim had been in a young offender's institute. I asked his family about this, but they didn't respond. Maybe just another rumor, maybe not. Sonia gravitated towards Vince. She'd been drawn in by his looks and the alternative outlook they seemed to share.

I recall seeing him with a Mahican, and that was the first Mahican I think I've ever seen.

But behind the big hair and aggressive look, Sonia says, Vince was caring.

Around about November 1980, we went to see Adam and the Ants at the West Anthem Pavilion, and that was That was my first proper gig, and it was very exciting. We were in the Mosh pit, and it was all getting quite scary. And I trip over and I fall, and then I was stumbling through the crowd, and then I find Vince, and he gives me this big smile and hug and says, Oh, you're okay. And that would always be my memory of him as someone who had always... He had a beautiful smile, and he was always really nice. He just didn't say very much.

Sonia loyally followed Vincent Paul's band as they drew more fans.

But I remember Vincent Paul's been actually quite good. I thought he had quite a good voice for a singer, as I remember, but I haven't heard the tracks for so long.

Do you know what? I've got the tracks. Remember that one?

No.

Sonia said that when she heard what her old friend, Vince, had been accused of, it completely shocked her.

Just don't have any bad memories, and that's what's quite hard to to figure out. But you don't know. You just don't know what could have happened to, I guess, the teenager I would have known, because we don't really know much about, or at least I don't know very much about his His actual upbringing, his childhood. And who knows? Maybe he always had a dark side.

So far, I've got more questions than answers. I sifted through the local papers in West Suffolk to see if we could find anything more. There was nothing on Vince Avis, but there were a few hits for Kim Avis, Our Kim. And there's another article here. It's from the The New Market Journal, Thursday, October 15th, 1981. And the headline is Drugs Charges. Six men and a juvenile facing charges of possessing cannabis resin had their cases adhered for two weeks by New Market Magistrates on Thursday. And it goes on to list the names. So there's Martin, there's Jess, there's a Kim Avis of Chevington, there's an Ian, a Colin, and the My last name that's named is Jeremy. Hi, I'm Miles Bonna. Oh, hello Miles. Nice to meet you. I'm from the BBC. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I tracked Jeremy down. We've been working on a story about someone that we think you might know. We've got a newspaper article. It's yourself, Kim Avis, and the other names, picked up for having a bit of cannabis in LSD. That must have been in the Rising Sun in Newmarket then. The Rising Sun was a popular pub in the town of Newmarket back in the day.

Jeremy didn't remember much of Kim or Vince, but did shed some light on what happened to him.

I got a year inside for it.

Really? Yeah. And how much did you have to do that? Eight months. Eight months? What for a possession of cannabis and LSD? I was distributing a bit, so we should. Right. You don't remember what happened that night when you all got lifted. I think it was all at the same time because it was a few years in the dock for it. Yeah, vaguely remember what happened.

I was on my motorbike that night.

Yeah.

They've been watching me from the Marlborough Club for about five or six weeks.

They just swooped that night.

I was out in the back at the time. They just grabbed a load of people. I had a list of names of people I owe me money, unfortunately.

That's why a few people got dragged in. So I wasn't popular for that.

I I looked down my list to the next name, Ian. When I got to Ian's door, he kindly invited me in. His dogs were going bananas in the background as we spoke. If they knew I was speaking, then they think that we're having an argument. All right, no problem. Wait a bit. Is this your seat here? All right. So I'll show you a picture of him. And my name came up. Yeah, I'll show you the article as well. It's a It's a long time ago, isn't it? I'll show you this. I showed you in a picture of a young Kim Avis. I can picture him, yeah. You remember him? Yeah, but vaguely. I can remember his face. Kim's face seemed to ring a bell with you, but I wasn't fully convinced. I then showed him the article. So this is in October 1981. Yeah. And you want to read it? Yeah, please. Yeah. He had a little bit of cannabis about as big as that. And then they shot you for it. He remembered Jess, but before I could ask where he may be staying so we could talk, Ian tells me Jess took his own life years back.

Jess there, Jess is dead, and he always had a bit of a bum deal through life. Ian went on to tell me about the day he and the other guys were up for those drug charges. And the funniest thing is we couldn't stop laughing in because we'd all have a bit of smoke. Before that, we went in there. It was a bit comical. That's how it was. We were only young. Who were you in the dock with? I would have been in the dock with Martin, Jess, Kim Avis, I would think. I recognized the face. A bit of a punk, and he used to drink in a pub in town called the Rising Sun, the New Market Pub. And what ended up happening? Did she get let off? Little fine or something. That was about it. Kim Avis also pleaded guilty to possession and was fined, like Ian, £100. After I left Ian's, I tried a few addresses for the last name on the list, Martin. It didn't seem to be anyone there. No luck. I put a message up on a few local Facebook groups for punks and made some more calls. She's not there.

Can I leave a message for her to get back in touch? Just to let you know, I'm actually in Berry St Edmunds at the moment. I'm just trying to speak- Are you doing that? I'm just trying to speak with people and I was hoping- Hello, my name is Miles, yeah? Yeah, it's Miles Bonner. That's my full name, just so you can check that I definitely work for the BBC. Yeah, so basically, just to give you a bit… I was having trouble squaring this kind-hearted punk dabbling in drugs with the Kim I knew in Inverness and the man he became. I needed to go further into his past. I left Newmarket for Berry St Edmunds, a half hour drive away. Sonia told me she and Kim went to a school called King Edward VI Grammar School, so I went to take a look. I mean, it's a nice looking school. It doesn't look rough by any stretch, but I don't know what it was like 40 years ago. It would be great to speak to someone who taught him, find out what he was like as a pupil. So a few messages out and a few emails to people that we think may have taught him, but we'll need to wait and see if anything comes back from that.

And then one of Kim's former teachers got in touch. He asked not to be named, but was happy for me to use what he said. The email began, Vincent was always a character, a loner, a bit of a rebel, although I did not remember him being in any particular trouble at school. A symbol of his rebellion was the fact that he was a punk in the early years of this movement, adopting punk styles and dress codes. He was one of a generation who felt trapped by the system. I always got on well with Vince, a strong personality, even in his teenage years. He was very much his own person. As a teacher, it's difficult to remember the majority of past students with clarity. There are occasional ones who stick in the memory. My memory of Vince has been particularly strong. At times, I've wondered what became of Vince. Although he was not academic, he had the personality to do well in life, and I'm not surprised to learn he appears to have done well in street trading in Inverness. He certainly had the character to do so, although I would always wonder about exactly what he might be selling.

I'm truly sorry to see exactly how he turned out. I kept looking for clues. Other articles in the archives have Kim possessing cannabis, being drunk in public, and stealing a sandwich from Marks & Spencers, apparently because he was hungry. Kim was fined and had to pay for the sandwich. In one article, Kim, no mention of Vince, stole a motorcycle. He noted his home address, so he decided to go there. So this is Hill Farm Cotage, the place where Kim Avis, apparently, grew up. It's quite impressive. Red brick, big garden. It's got a pen, looks like a horse pen in the back. Got these huge horse stables, and we've got loads and loads of empty fields and big properties. And the reason why I'm quite interested in seeing it in person is the money question has always puzzled me with Kim. Where did the money come from? How did he get that big house in on crew, the land, when he was either busking or selling cheap jewelry in Inverness? It just doesn't make any sense. And now that I've seen the house, or one of the houses when he was growing up, Maybe he inherited it.

Maybe it goes some way to explaining how he had cash in order to buy property and vans and everything else. Thanks for putting up for the technical issues there. It's okay.

I have a lot of technical issues. I'm from a different century.

Andrew, an old friend of Kim's, wanted to speak to me over the phone. He used to hang out in Hill Farm Cotage with Kim when he was young.

I think I'd met him at the Trail Ender School, which would have been about '81. I've always known him as Vince, although I did know that his real name was Kim. He was mates with a few people I knew I got involved with hippie alternative scene as a teenager as well. He had a place where he could hang out.

And it was Vince's place. He seemed to be living in one of the property's two cottages by himself.

One of them looked wrecked and one of them looked okay. As far as I understood, he was in the one that was pretty wrecked, although he'd cobbled together some furniture out of skips or something, and he was living there okay. There was a cottage next door that seemed much more together, and I always got the feeling that there was people in there, but I never met them. I never saw them. Vince was there for years, maybe 10 years. I never really understood it. It never seemed quite right, but we didn't really have anywhere to hang out as kids. Then suddenly this guy's got this place and you go around and nobody cares if you have a roll up in the kitchen. It was all right. You couldn't make a mess because it was already as bad as it could It's like a three bedroom house. The fireplace was working. We used to have fires in there. He never really seemed short of anything apart from maybe sanity, but then we were all short of sanity back then.

Do you think that Kim having that cottage from such a young age, did you ever think he was for all money?

There was an affluence about his language that was definitely not the Suffolk that I'd learnt. At the time, there was something odd about it. I even wonder whether his parents lived next door or something, and he just kept it quiet and they were terrified of him or something like that. I don't know. He was one of those guys that was the same age as me but seemed somehow older and bigger and wiser. Probably don't want to mess with him too much, otherwise it's not going to turn out well. I was going over to his place a lot. At times, it was getting a bit dark. We had some problems with the local biker gang coming and causing trouble. And there was this massive drug scene going on just under the surface. This dark underbelly of this little town.

One night, Andrew and his girlfriend went round to Vinci's to get high.

She must have been 17, 18. I was 19, maybe 20. We'd been smoking pot. We were pretty stoned. We'd probably been drinking. We're having a laugh, chewing the fat. And then all of a sudden he turned. It's like, Get out of my house. Get out of here. And he just had a look in his eyes that made me not want to argue. And it It was a very, very unpleasant experience to have somebody turned like that. And I just really wasn't that interested in going back there again afterwards.

Andy did see him one last time, around 10 years later when he came back to Berry St Edmunds. Kim had been away in Inverness.

He had a broad Scottish accent. I knew he wasn't Scottish.

If you want to know, he was born Kim Vincent Avis in New Market in 1964. That much we do know. As for the rest, some answers, more questions. It seems there have been many different versions of Kim over the years. The punk singer with a kind heart, a busker at one with nature, Scottish, Christian, then Jewish. Makes you wonder whether Kim even knew who he was. As for Paul from Cult of the Head, the last he saw or heard from Vince was decades ago. Vince was busking outside a branch of Woawarfs, an old department store. And then, nothing. Until he heard of Kim Avis's crimes in our documentary.

As uncomfortable as it is, I felt a little bit protective towards the fellow, even though he's obviously a monster. Something has obviously happened. And I wonder, Miles, whether this is a three-tier tale. You've got the tier that Sonia and I know, which is a bit of a burk, fascinating, magnetic, charismatic, talented. Then you've got one of the most awful series of crimes imaginable. The hell happened in the middle? Was he the larval form of something terrible?

Because from your perspective, there were no signs of this dark side to his character at all.

You see, this is the thing. I've never met anybody else like him, ever. And I would think that a lot of people would probably feel the same. And it's such a damn shame. I'd love I'd love to have seen him. I'd love to have gone for a pint with him and just find out what he'd been up to. Sadly, I now know what he's been up to, and I wouldn't let him on the street. There's a segment in the film. It looks like he's in a wood setting up a camera, and he looks feral. I'd never seen that look. I don't recognize that person.

Maybe it's like Paul says, there's three acts to Kim's life. And despite uncovering a few things, a wee hint that his money might have come from his family and evidence of low-level law-breaking in his early years. That middle act, the thing that took Vince, the punk known for his caring side, and turned him into Kim Avis an accused serial rapist, that remains a mystery.

We are beginning tonight with the arrest of an international fugitive who tried faking his own death, Kim Avis, also known as Kim Gordon, is wanted in Scotland.

A man from Inverness who went missing in the United States while facing 24 charges, including rape, has been arrested in Colorado.

It It was a Saturday. I was sitting at the desk again, looking, preparing the news for tomorrow's paper, and his picture came up.

This is Inverness journalist, Katherine Sutherland. She remembers the news breaking of Kim's arrest in Colorado. Shadow, and the picture that would mark the beginning of the third act in his life.

I wouldn't have recognized him from that photo. He didn't look like the round-face, smiley guy. I remember.

He looked haggard.

He He had a beard.

He was gaunt. And yeah, we all age, but I wouldn't have recognized him.

That photo, which was now all over the world's media, from the New York Times to the Inverness Courier, was taken by US Marshal Mike Harvat after he cuffed Kim and put him in the back of his van.

I can tell you that Mr. Avis was a character. He was something else. We went from him being that very dejected look of processing what was happening to quickly wanting to be buddy-buddy with us.

Despite being cuffed and caged in the back of the vehicle, Kim seemed in good spirits.

That guy would not shut up, I got to tell you. He was talking, talking, talking. And that part is not uncommon. But the charisma of which he was throwing stuff at us, that was something new. Once he realized that we weren't going to scream at him or beat him or do anything that they dream up in their heads, again, he just wanted to talk, talk, talk. He delved into the case talking about his innocence and how it's all misconstrued. He starts telling us that he was driving all the way up into the mountains. He's standing on top of mountaintops and doing something to the effect of screaming at the stars and telling God to strike him down if he's wrong. I mean, he was rolling. He was going all over the place. I think he was trying everything he could to just bury himself within the mountains here. But unfortunately, he slipped up.

The day Kim arrived in town and set his sights on Andy was the day Kim slipped up. His dream of living out his days as Cameron McGregor was now just as distant as his Vince the Punk persona. Andy had put an end to all that when she reported him to the cops.

And I think if I wouldn't have turned into his plate, they might not have ever caught him. I mean, eventually, maybe.

When Kim was captured at the roadway in, Angie was nowhere to be seen. She'd vanished. Did you feel bad about putting his plates in?

I felt bad. I felt bad because you're not supposed to be a narc. And what if there's a witch hunt thing, whatever it was at the time, I felt bad because I'm like, something happened. I was also curious. And I just have a big heart. I just, well, maybe the guy's guilty, maybe he's innocent.

Angie says she then decided to try and find him.

I started calling the federal prisons because I knew he would be in a federal prison. And I called Anglewood and they said, yes, he's here, but he's got to be processed. I wrote him a letter and told him, Look, I know who you are. Let me see if I can help you. Tell me what happened. Tell me what's going on. Do not lie to me. I said, I'm an American citizen. I can help you. You have nobody in this country Tell me what happened.

Kim told Angie there were women back home trying to frame him with made-up stories of sexual abuse in an attempt to get money out of him.

The least I can do is help get the guy a lawyer, help figure some things out, and yeah, I want to see what the hell is going on.

Angie says she believed Kim's story at first, but then slowly began to see him for what he was. Angie, tell me about the money situation. So Kim got caught and he had quite a bit of cash on him. And you managed to get a hold of that cash. Tell me about that.

When the police caught him, he had a backpack and it had $50,000 in it. And so they took it in the police evidence, and of course, they had to release it back to him. But they couldn't release it back to him and had to go to somebody else here, and I was the only one. So it came in the form of a check of $50,000 from the city of Colorado Springs, and I cashed it and I sent it to his son in Scotland.

Did you send the full amount back to his family?

I got to keep a few thousand dollars.

Kim says that Angie didn't send any money back. She insists she did. In addition to the $50,000 dollars in cash, Kim was also walking around with a few gold coins. These were also signed over to Angie.

And then there was six or eight, maybe 10. I don't remember exactly. I don't recall. Coins. I took them to a shop here in Manatee Springs and sold them. And I don't remember if I sent him that money or not.

And then there was Kim's van, the one he bought brand new to take him across the USA.

I ended up selling the van, and I kept that money, except for $1,500.

So how much did you get for the van?

I got $20,000. And it was quite the hassle to get that switched over from a Cameron McGregor that didn't exist to my name, but I got it done.

Angie went to see him in Anglewood, in Colorado. Stuck in his cell, he clearly had time to think about what could happen to him.

He was scared. He was scared. He was really scared. And he was worried about people knowing about him there, that he would get killed there.

Meanwhile, Scottish authorities were working behind the scenes to bring Kim back to face trial. Kim had the option to oppose his extradition, potentially stringing this out for years. But in August 2019, in a Denver court, Kim chose to return home and face justice in Scotland. He was put on a flight escorted by Scottish police, and Anja followed him. She made two trips to Scotland to see him while he waited for his trial. So you went to Edinburgh twice?

Twice.

To see Kim in prison?

Yeah, I saw him in prison twice.

What made you want to do that?

I wanted to see if there's anything else he had to say, and I wanted to go to Scotland.

You mentioned before that he had made attempts to escape or wanted you to send photos of it. Tell me about that.

He asked me to print out pictures on Google Earth and print out the surrounding prison and send it to him to Soughton.

Soughton Prison in Yeah, in Edinburgh.

And I just said, You're crazy. And then he tried one time to go out with the trash. He was trying to take the trash out, and they caught him.

When you think about it, Angie didn't do too badly out of in a relationship with Kim. They shared some good times. She told the cops about him, and then ended up in control of his assets, even spending some of it to see him in Edinburgh Prison. And as they parted ways, Angie decided to let Kim in on a secret.

I said, You know what? I'm the one that turned your plates in.

What did he say to that?

He was pissed. And what set it off was he told me he was an American. And you're going to come over here and get a fake passport, say you're an American, and you're going to lie to me. You lied to the wrong American girl. I'm a wild one, Yeah.

Word is, Kim had used the cash from the sale of the Wolfs Den property overlooking Inverness to buy a place in rural Montana. Kim Avis would die, and Cameron McGregor would live out his days there. That dream was now over. Kim was now back to finally face the music, to face his victims. An Inverness man who's facing 24 charges, including rape, has appeared in court after being extradited to Scotland from America. More than two years after going missing off the Coast of California, Kim Avis would now stand trial charged with multiple rapes and sexual assault.

I remember screaming.

He was pinning me down and he looked crazy. He had a crazy look on his face. I remember there was absolutely nothing there. That's next time on Dead Man Running. So you don't miss episodes, hit subscribe on BBC Sounds or wherever you get your podcasts. If you have any information you'd like to share on this story, the email is disclosure@bbc. Co. Uk. It's worth noting, Kim Avis goes by the following names, Vince or Vinnie Avis, Kim or Kim Gordon, and Cameron McGregor. That email again: disclosure@bbc. Co. Uk. If you've been affected by sexual abuse or suicide, details of support can be found at: bbc. Co. Uk/actionline.