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With me, it's a combination of things. It's not, you know, it's not just about the sexual fantasies, and it's nothing. It's definitely not just about the money, and it's not just about the adrenaline, but it's all those things together. And that's what I get out of it. Armed robberies, especially if it's like a small town. Remember the first one I did, I was freaked out. But then once I got in there and actually was doing it, I remember one of the ladies at the counter. She was about the same age as my mom. And just the look on her face. I still think about that.

She couldn't believe it.

Not just that, but she was just terrified. And I hadn't really done anything. It wasn't even like I was. It wasn't that crazy of a robbery. It was just. Where was that at? That was a long time ago.

At a certain point in our lives, we all learn about the things that make us us. It's a voyage of self discovery that has no ending, but it does have a beginning for most of us. It's when we're in our teens, we explore, experiment, try on new personalities, you know, see what fits.

We all start somewhere, and that goes for serial killers, too. In the case of Israel Keys, that somewhere was in a remote part of Washington state.

His childhood was one of extremes, of deprivation, of isolation, of otherness.

He discovered early on that he was different. And over time, he learned how and why. It was a darkness that didn't take very long to embrace.

We're out to understand how far Israel Key's crimes actually went.

And a crucial part of that is the story of his early life. The story of how he became one of the most unique serial killers in history.

We're all wired differently. Some of us are wired for good. Some of us are wired for bad. But a select few step outside of all society's boundaries from cold, open media. This is deviant Israel Keys, part two.

Welcome back. We're chasing the truth into the dark corners of what humans are capable of. I'm Andrew Aydin.

And I'm Dan Sematoviche. In episode one. And if you haven't listened, go back and do that. We learned that on the spectrum of serial killers, Israel Keys sat largely alone.

His methods, they were meticulous. A serial sexual murderer who planned his crimes years in advance.

That fact made him difficult to profile and difficult to catch. Israel Keyes was aware of what he was even from an early age.

Since at a certain point he turned into what he was. What did his becoming look like?

Israel Keyes is a 34 year old caucasian male. He was born in Cove, Utah, on January 7, 1978. His parents are Jeff and Heidi Keys. His father died in 2000, and his mother is living in Texas. He has six sisters and three brothers. And Mister Keys is the second oldest in the family.

Those are the words, but not the voice of Doctor Ronald Reschede. Not long after Israel's capture, authorities were getting the picture about the type of criminal they were holding, and they wanted a professional opinion. Enter Doctor Resh.

We did ask him for an interview. He declined and referred us to this report that you're hearing. The notes he took. They really helped to fill in the picture of Kees early life.

For although he was born in Utah, the family moved to eastern Washington when he was about three or four years old. The family lived in a remote wooded area outside of Colville, Washington.

Coleville is a town of nearly 5000 people, just 40 miles from the canadian border and 70 miles north of Spokane. Colville is remote, rural, and it's home to the Colville reservation.

He stated that they rented a house while his father built a cabin, but this took many years. He said for many years, the house had no electricity, but later they got a generator. The family did not have a telephone, radio, television, or computer. He describes his parents as deeply religious, involved in various fundamental christian groups. The family had little contact with others except for a small religious group.

That religious group was called the Ark. It's an organization that the southern poverty Law center says is part of the christian identity movement. What is the christian identity movement? Well, it harbors some pretty extreme beliefs. It's rooted in white supremacy and among other things, believes that jewish people are the biological descendants of Satan. So, yeah, as a kid, Israel had all that going on.

I can't speak to specifically what happened in his home, what his upbringing was like, because they were very identity families were very closed off and very secretive about what happened in their home.

That's Desiree Smith. She attended the ark, grew up in the christian identity movement, and she knew the keys family, Jeff, Heidi, and all the kids.

His father was very extreme. And I spent my whole childhood traveling the country, sometimes with my family and being around all, all kinds of different christian identity groups. White power groups. But I would say his dad was up there in the more extreme category, no doubt. And he just. He also seemed like kind of an angry guy. His temperament did not seem very good at all.

Every interaction I had with him, he was just so crazy, anti government, and incredibly self righteous in his views of how things were. It was just actually pretty repulsive.

That's John Smith. He and Desiree are married. He was also raised in the christian identity community, attended the ark, and, like Desiree, has since left. They've both rejected those beliefs.

This is the environment in which Israel Keys was raised and educated. His parents, Jeff and Heidi, chose to homeschool him rather than send him to public school with the other neighborhood kids.

When he was 16, Mister Keyes built his own small cabin on the family land and lived by himself for a year or so until his parents found a gun cat he had hidden in the family home. The guns were stolen from neighbors homes. He describes himself as fascinated with guns. From the time he was six or seven, he would get magazines with photos of guns and claims he could identify various types of guns even before he had any guns in his collection.

Now we get into Israel's teenage years. This is when his true nature really starts emerging. Israel Keys begins to awaken, realizing what he truly is. Desiree Smith.

So I was 1415 years old when I met him. He would have been 17, somewhere in that age range. And he was very awkward, very aloof, all dressed in camo, a knife on his side. Not real appealing, I would say to a teenage girl, he was strange.

Awkwardness aside, Israel was definitely finding ways to entertain himself.

The first silencer I made when I was 17 was for 38 revolver that my grandpa gave Fort died.

Did you make bones?

Nothing too exciting, but yeah, I tinker around. I'm mostly just designing stuff.

Were you breaching with explosives?

Yeah, a couple times. I started doing that when I was, like, 14. The first time. First time I blew a lock with a pipe on, I was about 14.

Here we have the teenage Israel keys making silencers, carrying around knives.

Oh, yeah. And blowing things up.

This was also a period when he crossed paths with two other members of the christian identity, Shane and Chevy Kehoe. In extremist, anti government, and white supremacy circles, the Kehoe brothers were pretty well known.

Chevy's now serving three life sentences for murdering an entire family in Arkansas. And Shane has served time stemming from a lengthy string of violent crimes, all of it in the name of government extremism.

Here's Desiree's husband, John.

Again, I can remember specifically when Desiree's family moved in. I befriended her older brother first, and we were hanging out, doing a lot of different things, and all of a sudden, he was, like, bringing the younger Shane Kehoe into stuff. And Israel Keys was, you know, doing stuff like going hiking, going camping, going firewood gathering, sometimes shooting out in the woods. All of a sudden, these other people would just show up and it would be, well, where'd they come from? Well, yeah, I invited them. They were always just a little weird. It was like. I mean, we were weird, obviously, but it's like they were like another layer of strange, next level weird from what we were. You would see Shane Kehoe and Israel keys, they'd be hanging out with each other. It's like they were two peas in a pod. And then we'd try to include them into stuff, but it was like they never quite fit.

What I would think back to and what gave me disturbed me the most was when I was about 15 at the ark. They had a community gathering that was supposed to be a fun thing for the young people. It was a box social, something that used to happen a long time ago. The idea of a box social is that the girls, the teenage girls, would put together these baskets or boxes that had a meal that they prepared, like a picnic basket or a box with a picnic inside. And then the young men would bid on the boxes and wouldn't know whose box was whose. And so you just bid on a box, and then you. Then you got to sit down and share the meal with the girl that put the box together. John and I were really good friends at the time, and I was thinking John was going to buy my box, but he didn't. And one of the other people that was there was Israel, who had been invited to attend. He was the one who bought my box. And so then I had to share the meal that I had prepared with him sitting just across the table.

And basically, it was like a date, and you sat there and had a conversation and a meal together. And it was odd. He was odd. He was very uncomfortable to be around and to sit with. He kind of didn't put off the best vibe. He was kind of creepy and just very socially awkward, but not in, like, an endearing way. In a creepy way. So that was. That was kind of a weird experience. And I was very disappointed that night, because I thought, someone else is going to be buying my box, someone that I would enjoy spending time with. Instead, I had this really weird, disappointing, semi creepy experience with this boy, with this boy.

Mister Keys said his father rejected him when he was a teenager because he did not believe in religion. He describes himself as a loner growing up. He said he had no close friends growing up, and he preferred to be by himself.

And from Doctor Rich's raw notes, parents.

Mormon, then fundamental Christian, then Amish, more militant militia, sort of church. That was church when he was a teenager. Crazy white people with guns. Dad got disenchanted when Waco happened.

As far as I know about his background, he was completely raised in it from birth, the same way I was.

Desiree is talking about christian identity here. We did try to contact the Keyes family about all of this. They didn't respond.

His family was probably even more extreme in their viewpoints, if possible. And I think that it was more that this was the worldview he was given and taught was one that was dehumanizing toward large sections of the world population.

There are so many ingredients that go into the social fabric of christian identity that it creates a perfect environment to not only attract, but to propagate people that hold those kind of psychopathic or non empathetic belief systems. And so the anti government aspect of it provides a safe haven for people that would raise red flags in any other environment.

John Smith doesn't pretend to be a mental health expert, but he does speak from experience. He spent years inside this extreme environment, one that may have had a profound impact on shaping Israel.

He stated that he has always been secretive and revealed very little of himself to others. He was careful to avoid situations in which his behavior might become known to others. For example, for a time, he engaged in some delinquent acts with one of his sisters. But when she talked about it to other siblings, he quit involving her in his delinquent acts.

Here's Israel Keys again, with a vivid example.

I've known since I was 14 that there were things that I thought were normal and that were okay, that nobody else seems to think are normal and okay. So that's when I just started being a loner. I guess I got in trouble a few times around that age. People found out about some of the stuff I did, like my parents and parents of other kids who would hang out with me, they would find out about some of the stuff I did. And that's when I just started doing stuff by myself. There was one kid that I grew up with, and we used to break in houses together and mostly like, kids stuff. But then there was a time when I think I shot. I shot something. I think it was a dog or a cat or something, and that was too much for him. He couldn't handle it. And so after that, I wouldn't do anything illegal, I guess you could say, with him. But before that, I used to carry a pistol all the time, from the time I was about 14. I mean, by the time I was 14, I was basically the same size I am now.

I didn't really look 14. And so I could get away with, like, the houses, the guns I took from houses I broke into. I could get away with selling them, you know, without anybody knowing about it, without my parents knowing about it. And so I had a lot of guns, and I would always carry a gun. When I was 14, there were some friends staying with us, and there was a cat of ours that was always getting into the trash. It was my sister's cat. And I told her at the time, I was like, if that cat gets into the trash again, I'm gonna kill it. And so there was this kid and some of the other, I think maybe one of my sisters and one of his sisters. We all went up into the woods, and I had the cat with me.

We're stopping here because what he describes next is horrible. Many serial killers do very bad things to animals before they shift their attention to humans. This was a very bad thing. Personally, I don't like hearing about this stuff. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't either. So we're just going to fast forward a few minutes here. The point is, at this time in his life, he was absolutely fine with having an audience. Let's pick up with what happened after.

Then I looked over at everybody else, and the kid who was about my age was with me. He was throwing up like, he was like, really? I don't know. Traumatized, I guess you would say. And he told his dad about it. And then, of course, his dad talked to my parents about it. And that was pretty much the last time anybody went in the woods with me.

I learned my lesson, and the lesson he learned was discretion. He realized that the things he was into, the truest parts of his nature, those things were alien to others. From that moment forward, he learned to keep the darkest parts of himself a deeply buried secret.

He also stated that he would not drink alcohol with any of his siblings out of fear he would reveal something.

There is no one who knows me or who has ever known me, who knows anything about me, really. They're going to tell you something that does not line up with anything I tell you, because I'm two different people, basically, and the only person who knows about what I'm telling you. The kind of things I'm telling you is me.

Of all the people that we were around as teenagers and young people, if you would ask us, okay, who most likely to become a serial killer in the yearbook, he would have been at the top of the list. Honestly, it wasn't a situation of, oh, my goodness. Who would have known? It was more like, oh, my gosh. I. Wow. Yeah. You know, that actually is not as surprising as it should be. Later in life, when I found out he became a killer, it disturbed me, partly because I thought to myself, literally, I could have been a victim if we had had any more interactions. And he started being that person and doing those things, you know, I was actually in danger, and it's just a really strange feeling for someone to have.

His secretive behavior and avoidance of close personal relationships continued into his adulthood. He stated that his girlfriend at the time of his arrest, had no knowledge of his criminal activities and that he did not talk about anything of a personal nature with her. He stated that there are two sides to him, but that people only know one side. He did not have any other arrests prior to his current arrest on charges of kidnapping and murderous.

Look, Dan, you and I disagree on.

A lot of things. We do, right? But we also agree on a lot of things. You like baseball?

We like a good whiskey.

Yeah.

Is that it?

Oh, God, I hope not.

But also, I think one of the things we both can agree on is that we love quints. Look, there's a million places where you can get things on the Internet.

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And I was thinking that I need a new bag for taking gnocchi on walks. Gnocchi is our great Dane. He's 150 pounds of pure sweetness. He's a little bit of a neighborhood celebrity. Anyway, when you walk a great Dane, you need a lot of supplies and sort of sling bag that I was using for him. A little chintzy. I prefer something higher quality, higher fashion. And that was like, maybe Quince has that. And that's when I ended up picking up the revive nylon fold over crossbody bag. And now I have all the space I need, and it looks great. And the best part about it is that it didn't cost me a lot. I was willing to pay more. But all Quint's items are really priced 50% to 80% less than what you'd expect to pay for similar brands.

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Well, the first book I read was called Mindhunter, and it was written by an FBI profiler, John Douglas.

Right.

Yeah, I read that years and years ago, probably when I was 15 or 16. I was, yes, somewhat disturbed by it, just because, I don't know, it's always been that way. Felt like I was kind of reading about myself in a lot of those books.

Mindhunter. Maybe you've read the book or watched.

The Netflix series, and if you haven't, you should.

But it was written by one of the founders of the FBI's behavioral analysis unit, the BAU. The profilers. They're the people who have dedicated their lives to understanding the worst humans among us. And as were talking about one of the worst humans among us, it only makes sense that we get a profilers take on keys. How did he become what he became? Mary Ellen O'Toole was an FBI agent for 28 years, spending more than half of that in the BAU. Shes worked some of the biggest cases. The Unabomber, the Green river killer. She knows and understands killers. That includes Israel Keys.

If you know a little bit about Israel Keys and how he was raised on the land in a cabin without water and electricity, there probably was a philosophy in the household that we have to prepare for doomsday or prepare for an event where we do have to live off the land. And so we will stockpile food, we'll make sure that we have things ready to go if we need that. And if that's how he grew up and that's what his thinking was, you know, it was interesting that he. That he might have blended it into his criminal behavior.

Well, it's kind of like always being prepared. And, you know, every time you read about Keys, there's this description of him as being kind of the most meticulous serial killer you've never heard of. You make a valid point of like, he grew up in an environment where meticulous preparation was probably a large part of their lives.

Yes. And it was normalized behavior. I mean, a lot of people do that. They prepare for what they're concerned could happen, you know, next year or a year from now. And from all indications, Israel enjoyed that lifestyle, enjoyed being in the woods, living in the woods, going out to the water and fishing and hiking. And that was part of how he was raised. And he incorporated that what he learned, the outdoors person in him, he incorporated that into his murders.

As you heard earlier, keys like to blow things up. That brand of chaos extended into something that's often an early indicator of criminal behavior. Fire. He liked to watch things burn.

So I was about the same age, like 1415. I mean, I had pyromania. No, something you weren't supposed to burn down. Besides my eyebrows, yes. You know, if I found, like, old buildings and stuff that I thought I could get away with burning without anyone worrying too much about it, that's almost like a public service doing her favor.

Mary Ellen has some thoughts about that.

Well, the arson in a crime, if it's part of an ongoing, multiple layered crime, again, it's not necessary. You can hide evidence. You can clean up evidence. You don't have to burn a house down. But the idea of an entire house burning to the ground, it's exciting. And we know that not all, but we know that a lot of arsonists come back and watch the fire that they've set. They like to see what the response is. They like to see what happens. And that becomes emotionally charging for them. It's something that they. That's actually very enjoyable. Again, looking at the motivation behind doing that, was it utilitarian? Yes, because it could have destroyed evidence. You can destroy evidence in other ways, but what did it service? Other needs. So you look at the needs that are being serviced by the offender. You've got biological needs, emotional needs, and psychological needs. It's important. Again, when you analyze a case, you look to say, why in the heck would they do that? They have to spend extra time there. When you spend extra time in a crime scene, you shed forensic evidence when other people could see you.

So there's reasons not to do it. But he still did it. And in fact, he sort of considered a pretty good arsonist in his day. So he clearly liked to set fires. And we probably don't know the full extent of the fire setting that he was engaged in.

How old were you when you first burned something down? Well, depends what you count. No, the first thing I burned down was a trailer. Did you ever use fire to cover up a crime? Well, yeah.

Burn houses up with bodies.

For nearly a minute, Israel Keys and investigators sit silently. Keys, he's presumably thinking investigators are waiting for something. Maybe he's going to admit something, maybe he's going to deny something. And then, just as it feels, you can feel it, like keys is about to say something, one of the us attorneys in the room speaks first.

Definitely thinking about something.

The tension breaks. The subject immediately changes.

He did say that his behavior, indirectly, he said his behavior started at half the age he was at the time that he was arrested, which would put him at about 15 or 16 years of age. And I think that's really important for us to understand, because even all these years later, you know, working in law enforcement for almost 40 years, I still see the general public thinking that this kind of behavior is kind of a snap behavior. In other words, you wake up one morning and you decide, I think I'm going to go out to murder people. I think that sounds kind of cool. A long time in evolving. It's a long time in getting to the point where you can be successful at it. And so I think understanding that this developmental process can actually starts when the person is actually very small and evolves over a period of time. So I think that's an important lesson. If he puts himself at maybe 1516 years of age, that probably was fairly true. But what was he doing? Was hedgesthe doing the burglaries at that time? Was he just doing the arsons? You know, at what point was he going after the victims that he was murdering?

So that becomes really important.

It's important because it helps give us a starting point. If Israel Keys followed the typical progression about budding serial killer, and in many ways it looks like he did, we could make an educated guess as to when he started victimizing people, and that can help us figure out his actual number of victims.

The big question we're trying to answer here is just how far did Israel Keys go? And a big part of that is finding out when his crimes against people started. When did he start moving to that new level? Was it during this early part of his life? As we're about to find out, the answer is yes. Well, we think so, at least.

Were looking at Israel Keys through two different lenses in the first part of this episode. We heard about some of the things other people could see, the external view. Its pretty disturbing.

And thats the stuff he didnt hide. So what exactly did he hide? What were his first major crimes? Thats unclear. And that brings us back to that trail of maybes we mentioned in the last episode. So let's see if we can piece some of this together.

For a few months in the summer of 1997, Israel keys lived near Maupin, Oregon, not far from bend.

So did you get away with something there?

Yeah.

Never even got reported.

Winding around Maupin is the Deschutes river. That entire area of Oregon is a popular choice for people looking to spend a nice, relaxing summer.

I was working on this house for my dad, and there was this river that was near the house. There was a lot of people would go down there, a pretty remote area, but there were beaches and stuff along the river where people would go and hang out. And that's what gave me the idea, I guess. You know, there would be people hanging on the beach, younger girls and their swimsuits and stuff. She was out on the river. It's like a river you can float down. Like, people would do it on inner tubes and stuff. And I was just hanging out at this more remote spot. She was like the last one in her group. I just grabbed her and pulled her into the shore.

Keys moose her into an outdoor bathroom, the kind you find on nature trails or in forest preserves. And he sexually assaults her. What he does is terrifying, horrific and traumatic.

Was that the first time you sexually assaulted somebody?

Depends what your definition is.

Is that the first time you had sex with somebody against their will?

No, but I mean, that was the first time I took it to that level. Like, had someone tied up, you know, like was ready to actually kill do that? Yeah. What did that feel like? I mean, I had it all planned out. It was, you know, that was my intention. After I killed whoever I was gonna, I was waiting for someone who was pretty small because I was gonna dump them down in the tank. It was really dark tank. They probably wouldn't have been found for a year or something. Did you visit that bathroom beforehand? You checked it out? Oh, yeah. I knew that whole river.

So what do you think stopped you from taking it to that level?

She was just really scared and kept saying she wasn't going to tell anybody. Yeah, I don't know. I almost did.

I just had you thought about how.

You were going to do it if you did it?

Yeah, I was going to strangle her. Do you remember anything that she said to you that stuck in your mind? I mean, I knew what she was doing. She was trying to make it seem like it wasn't a big deal and like she was okay with it. And, I mean, she was pretty smart because it worked kind of put me more at ease. And things never got really violent. Like they could have if she had been fighting me or something.

Did you know that then, or do you know that now, in hindsight?

No. I knew what she was doing at the time. I knew, you know, she was, you know, saying, oh, you're a good looking guy. Why are you? You know, you don't have to do this. Probably would have even gone out with you and all this stuff. And, like, I just kept telling her to shut up, and she wouldn't, you know, she wouldn't. She just kept talking to me.

She was able to personalize it or something to where you.

Yeah, the main thing is I just lost my nerve right at the end. I mean, that never stopped me after that.

One of the important takeaways here is that Israel keys decides to stop. Short of committing murderous. This decision sticks with him for life.

For years after that, I kept telling myself I should have killed her and, like, really beat myself up about that. Kind of felt like I screwed up to me at the time, that was a big deal. Like, the whole thing that happened on the Deschutes, that was a big deal. And so I was really paranoid after that. I was convinced that. I don't remember if I was worried about DNA at the time, but I was convinced that, you know, there was, like, some big investigation trying to find out who had done this, when in reality, like, 2020 hindsight now. I go, no, maybe she never even told anybody. I don't know.

Remember Special Agent Jolene Godin from the last episode? We asked her if the FBI was ever able to verify this story.

No, we tried. We did put out press releases related to what he described that happened, the young girl. That would have been when he was 18 or 19. So, like, 1996 or 1997, along the Deschutes river, we did put out press releases in the area trying to identify who that girl might be, and we never did have anybody come forward. He was very believable, though, in his description of what happened. So I have no doubt to believe that that happened.

So is he actually telling the truth here? We already know he's told the truth about some of the crimes he committed not long before he was arrested. We heard about some of that in the last episode.

And this is the central mystery of Israel Keys. The hints he drops, the stories he tells. Can we trust what he's saying about these early crimes, about any crimes?

No. Long answer is no. Short answer is no.

FBI profiler Maryellen O'Toole.

So what the FBI does and what the police were doing, the homicide detectives were doing, you have to do the interview, and you have to spend hours letting them talk about what they did. But then what those detectives and agents did, they went out and they verified. I saw in the FBI files that are public documents that leads were sent all over the United States to different field offices to corroborate what he said. So they don't. They don't take someone like that at face value. They attempt to corroborate. Did you have a missing person here? Did you have a missing person? More missing people in Texas or Vermont or Maine? And so they were verifying what he. They cannot. They could not. They did not take him at face value.

We also asked Special Agent Godin.

Sure.

I think it was definitely both, because that was what he wanted, was to be kind of known as a serial killer.

But let's go back to our core question. Just how far did Israel Keys go? How many people did he actually kill?

Well, certainly you'd want to verify that. There were eleven victims. I would never take his word for it.

We learned in the first episode that Israel Keys was a unique serial killer, something new that we still struggle to understand.

And in this episode, we got a sense of how self aware he was.

He embraced his deviance, learned about it.

Nurtured it, cherished it.

He was calculating in what he said and did. And to this point, we know about three murders he definitely committed. Bill and Lorraine Courier and Samantha Koenig.

And on our trail of maybe, we now know about at least one additional potential victim.

Did Israel Keys abduct and sexually assault a girl in Oregon? Did he sexually assault other people?

Whatever. The full truth is, Israel Keys criminal life started in his early teens in the mountains of Colville, and it ended on a spring afternoon in 2012 in the parking lot of a roadside hotel in Lufkin, Texas.

How's it going? Good. I'm a toddler troll. The reason we stopped is kind of down there looking around. Where are you from? I'm from Alaska. What you doing down this way? Visiting family. Came down for a wedding. Where you headed? Back up to see my family.

The years between his life in Colville and his arrest in Texas contain some of the biggest mysteries of this story. They're murky, but you could only really hope to untangle that in between time and get some understanding if you know how keys was finally stopped and the.

Story of how police got to that ending. The parking lot in Lufkin. It's like a movie. It's a cross country chase.

We mobilized at least 60 officers from local state beds, DEA, the railroad, anybody that had a spare body. And then ultimately the the card was used in Lordsburg, New Mexico, a cross.

Country chase combined with a horror film.

And it wasn't until the ransom note in the photo was found and the message was sent over the cell phone that we actually got our first lead from the night she was taken.

In the next episode of deviant, the meticulous killer that for years had moved like a shark under the water would finally come to the surface. Until next time, thanks for listening. Deviant is written, produced and executive produced by Clark Goldband, Dan Sematovich and me, Andrew Iden. Original scoring by Shuvo Sur editorial and production consultation from Jenny Ament and voice acting from Damon Lazara. Sales, marketing and distribution is from our friends at Gemini 13.