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Here's another episode of fail better premium. Each week, subscribers get to hear an extended version of my personal reflections on my most recent interview.

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Here you go. Just some random voice memo thoughts about the Bette Midler interview, because I'm still afraid of the technology over there on the table. I'm just going to hold my phone near my mouth. I can trust that. You can hear some street noises for free. Yeah, the thing to me, she just hasn't... In sports, you talk about somebody's motor, and it's just like somebody who never seems to get tired. They can just play all day. They got a big motor. And Beth, to me, she's got a big motor, and it's still firing now. And she may not be doing as much professionally, but the motor is still there. The motor is still firing, and it's the what I said about enthusiasm being Greek-derived for having God within you. En-in-thi-thu would be theocratic God. Asm. A state of being, maybe. So, yeah, just really impressed by her enthusiasm and in a way envious. When she said she was an optimist and I said I was a pessimist, I was like, God damn it, I wish I I wish I had that enthusiasm towards optimism. And I feel like I understood what she was saying about always knowing.

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She had a knowing that she had something to say, something to express, some talent to share. And I related to that. And I think I have felt that way, too. Obviously not in any way similar to Beth, but there was something in me always that thought, I've got something to put out there, and it's going to be recognized as having some value at some point. And it's hard to say without arrogance. It's hard to not sound arrogant when you say something like that. But I will say that it gets you through periods of failure. It got me through tons of rejections when I first was acting. My first manager, Melanie Green, used to tell people how many shows I auditioned for. And I used to get, he's not right for our TV show. He's a movie star. And I'd be like, yeah, he ain't a movie star. I can't pay my rent. And so that was one way I get rejected. But I knew there was something I was doing, even though I'd get, he's flat, he's low affect or whatever. But I knew inside I was feeling, inside I was expressing, and that they'd catch up.

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Somehow they'd catch up. And I think talking to bed, I was put in touch with that in myself again, that young part of myself where I'd quit graduate school. I was in my late 20s and didn't have a career. And all of a sudden, I was acting a fairly soft-spoken, shy-seeming person. People very confused, especially my family, Why is David doing this? And yet I had this knowing, as my friend Jason McGee says, a knowingness about what I had. So I'm talking about me after a bet. But what I feel that I missed, and again, I feel bad about this, was getting into failures as a parent, as a mom, as a spouse. I don't like pushing on those buttons because I'm not looking for people to confess sins or That's not what this is about to me. But I know that failures are legion in one's personal life. So we got to go there. And I think I missed the spots with Beth about getting into that. And I think why I'm so interested in it and why I'm surprised that I didn't press or prod or take the time was it's two part.

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It's two-part. It's like, what I wanted to ask Beth was, what is failure like after success? Is it different from the failure when you're starting out? What was the failure of bet like compared to maybe the rejection when you're young? When you're guarding something, you're guarding this career. And then the failure, it's different from guarding nothing. I got nothing to lose. Failure, Okay, well, I didn't lose anything. Just an audition. And then it's like, oh, I've got this thing, Bet Midler, and now this failure is jeopardizing that. Does it feel that way? Is the failure different? But Again, to get into the personal failures of family, parenting, spouse, and also the hurt of whatever our parents did to us. She clearly touched on her father as not giving approval, and her mother is almost like a fantasist living in a Hollywood world way out there in Honolulu. So very interesting place that she came from, created her mind. Fascinating, I find, and beautiful. And what a reaction that she created, almost in opposition and in love with those two parents that she had. And I guess I wanted to ask, how did that affect your parenting?

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If you grew up with a father who didn't easily give approval or applause, what a mother were you? Even saying that out loud right now, I don't like myself. What a mother were you? But this is where sometimes we have to go or I needed to allow her to go there. Or if she wasn't readily going there, I maybe could have pressed more because that is what everybody can relate to. It's hard to relate to, Oh, you're a bet middler, and you have... Jinks comes out, and it does badly for you. And not a lot of people can relate to that, but everybody can relate to... I had my daughter, and I didn't want to raise her in Hollywood. I left show business. And I wonder what... I mean, you know what somebody's thinking. They don't want to raise somebody in Hollywood. I did it myself. We took my kids out of Los Angeles when my son was about three and my daughter was about seven, and we raised them in New York. Now, still a big city with a lot of people looking, but different from Hollywood when you have two two actor parents, myself and Taya.

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So I don't know why I didn't go there, and I beat myself up for it. I guess we're going to have to have her back. Bet you're going to have to come back.

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