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Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Garibaldi Red podcast. I'm Axeas, your host. And as Forrest played well, but many will see, there's a missed opportunity yesterday as the Reds lose 2-0 to arguably probably the best team in the world, Man City. A Chris Wood-sitter, a great performance from Ola Anya, but maybe questionable substitutions from Nuno to discuss all of this and more. First of all, joined by Reds correspondence, Sarah Clapson, who is holding out again after having the lurgy. So, Sarah, thanks for joining us and we I hope you feel better soon.

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How are you? I'm going to trip me off to cuff all the time.

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Yeah, exactly. You'll have to hover over the mute button.

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Yes, my mouse is there ready. Don't worry. Try and spare everybody.

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I think I'm coming down with it as well. It'll be like a flu-like podcast, this. And also joined by an actor, Anne Forrests van, Coronation Street from Behemian Rhaps as well. Pat Lally. Pat, good to see you. You make your debut on the podcast. How are you feeling?

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I'm all I'm in good company, so I think everything is going to be fine.

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Good stuff. Right. Let's start then with our general thoughts. We were all there yesterday. Sarah, kick us off, really. Forrests came out very well. A bit of a almost a rapid start, especially when Ola and you chased that ball and the city ground was roaring. Yeah, take us from your general thoughts and then we'll breach out from there.

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I thought it was a really good, positive performance. I think if you you rolled it down and you looked at it and thought it was a bit groundhog day in that missed chances, set peace. But actually it was so much more than that. It was really positive. A lot of intent, real conviction, confidence, I thought the formation change worked really well. Some good individual performances, Alaina mentioned, but quite a few others as well, I thought. But collectively as well, a real good solid team performance, just missed chances. If any of those Chris Wood opportunities go in, and a few weeks ago, you would have bet your house on him scoring at least one of them, it would have been a completely different game. Deserved something from it, should have got something from it, but can take a lot of positives and a lot of confidence, I think. And that has to be the starting point for the final three games.

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Do you agree there, Pat? I suppose I think when I went on Twitter last night, which is always an interesting place to go after a Forest game defeat, win or draw, a lot of people actually said that City came out very slow and that they're almost there for the taken and that maybe it was a missed opportunity at stages as well.

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I think so. I think it was a very much below Palman City that we saw yesterday. I think we'll go back to those missed chances quite a bit. You would put your cat, your dog, your house, and everything in between on Chris Wood putting those up. You wouldn't want them to fall to anyone else. I'm oddly frustrated at coming out a 2-0 defeat, because if you would have said before the game, you're going to lose 2-0 to Cite, you would have said, Okay, you'd be worried about the goal difference, taking a bit of a hammering, but you think 2-0, okay, we take that. But weirdly, I'm coming out feeling frustrated. I think it was a huge missed opportunity yesterday.

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I tend to agree with that. We are live on Facebook and YouTube, so be sure to get your comments in. This one from Keith says, Decent performance yesterday, maybe good formation for the rest of the season. Missed too many chances, though. Sadly, highlight was Anja leaving Walker for dead in a foot race. He did that a lot, actually, yesterday. That was nice. Yeah, it was good to see. I also wanted to touch on this part as well. Were you surprised to see the city-ground atmosphere was rocking Particularly in the first half, were you surprised to see that the fans boo very loudly? I think the Man City fans joined in as well, but boo the Premier League anthem, given the week and controversy that Forest have had recently?

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No, I wasn't surprised. And I'm glad they did, to be honest. You've got a voice. Use it. If you've got a huge platform, you're a major broadcaster getting heard. And I'm pretty sure I read afterwards that a lot of the tributes, should we say, to Gary Neville and Cariger and all that were muted out or whatever. But I think initially the boom at the beginning for the Premier League So, yeah, fair play to the fans.

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Yeah, it was very loud, actually. Let's touch on, just, I suppose, Sarah, when you look at actually the mischances, as Pat mentioned a short while ago, particularly in Chris Wood, and you bet your house on him to score. When you are in a relegation battle like that, it's just incredibly frustrating because City are the best team in the world and they don't give you many chances and you have to take just those slim chances that you get. And it is frustrating that we didn't take them yesterday.

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Yeah. I mean, you don't get many opportunities in Premier League games anyway, and even less so against City because of what they are and how they play. Chris Wood has come to the rescue, so so many times already. I mean, Forest Wood would be much worse off without his goals. So I don't think you can pin too much criticism on him alone. I mean, he wasn't the only one who missed chances. Nico Williams had that one in the first few minutes, and Gosh, if that had gone in, it would have been a brilliant start. And Forrest could have kicked on from there, and perhaps the whole game would have been different. Callum Hudson-O'Doye had a couple as well. It wasn't Chris Wood alone, but his were real guilt-edged ones from close range, the ones that you think, how was he missed? It's harder to miss than score some of those. Marillo's as well from the corner. He had a really good opportunity. It's just that if you don't take them, you run the risk of getting punished, particularly against a team like City, who have that ruthless streak. I mean, missed chances and not making the most of opportunities are something that we've spoken about a few times is why Forest are where they are.

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They have chances in games and don't always capitalize on them. And I guess the big thing is to do so in the final three games, because you look at Sheffy United away, Burnley away, Chelsea at home, got to make the most of the opportunities in those games. And then I guess we can look back at the season as a whole and reflect on why it hasn't gone how perhaps Forest would have liked. But the main thing is to do it in these final three games now.

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Yeah, this comment from Ian, actually. The key now is momentum. Plenty of positives yesterday. Time now for every player to show leadership qualities and be accountable. This is now in our hands. That's an interesting comment, actually, Pat. And it is in Forest's hands, isn't it, really? We might get points back this week, but even if we don't, we're still just ahead of Luton. No disrespect to Sheffield United, but next week we're playing pretty much arguably the worst team in the league, going from playing the best team in the league, probably to playing the worst team in the league. It really in Forest's hands now. There almost is no excuses in a way.

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No, there's not. Going after the Everton game last week, I thought the performance was dreadful. It was terrible. I thought the first 45 minutes yesterday was better than the entire game, an effort that Forest played last week. So if they carry yesterday, if they play like they did yesterday for the remaining three games, they'll be fine as long as they actually score and put those chances away, which I'm sure against a Sheff U and a Burnley, I think they're going to give you a couple more chances than a Manchester City will. Depending on which Chelsea turns up, we don't know. We've got no idea. If Cole Palmer is playing then, I think it's going to be a tough one, but it's at home. It's the last game of the season. Who knows? But I think we have to go with Sheffield United looking at getting three points, I think, Saturday.

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Yeah, totally agree. Let's look at those, well, I suppose, key standout performances in a way, Sarah, and particularly want to give us just I've seen a few comments come in for him as well. Particularly want to give a shout out to Willy Bolley. Just thought so solid at the back. And I don't think Marillo had his best game in a Forest shirt. Obviously, he goes off and hope that there's There's nothing too much in that, the same with Nico. But before we touch on those, I just thought Willy Bolley came in. He showed, as that comment from Ian there, showed leadership qualities, showed what Forrest arguably need in a relegation dog fight.

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Yeah, I thought he was excellent. Really good. Put his body on the line a few times. He just makes such a difference. He's commanding, he's present, he's height when it comes to the set pieces. Having him there, I think it just gives everybody a bit of a lift and a bit more confidence. I think it helps Murillo as well, having Boli alongside him. And I thought the three actually worked really well with Niakate in there. Hopefully, the injury isn't too bad to Boli and to Murillo and to Nico Williams as well, because that would be a real blow to lose any one or more of those three. I just think Forest were really solid and didn't give away a lot to Man City. If you look at the saves Matt Sels had to make, maybe a couple, but not as many as perhaps you'd have thought he might have had to against City. And that was real testament to the defense in front of him, to the players in front of the defense, and just the whole organization, how collectively solid Forrest were. And I think Boli was a big part of that. I think he just helped to organize things and he did get forward a lot as well.

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He seemed to want to play out from the back a fair bit, and I thought at one point he was to push forward and try and score. So I think he just made such a massive difference. If he can be fit for the final three games, you'd feel a lot more confident, I think, going into the likes of Sheffield United away and Burnet away, particularly. He's just such a big presence.

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Yeah, I think you need it on the pitch. And I think it also transpires off the pitch in a way the fans almost feel confident with a decent back four and obviously a keeper, which we've seen recently in Matt Sells. I wanted to actually touch on the final third in a way, and you mentioned there, Bolley getting forward and looking like he was going to score. I listened to Paul Merson on Sky yesterday, and he said it's a bit of a worrying, almost, recipe for Forest when you're playing football games well, like we have done yesterday, like we did arguably against Wolves, and not winning the games and not almost scoring enough goals. And it is a little bit of a concern, especially when the final third were on fire recently. You look at a Langer Hudson, a William when Wood was in form, and yesterday it just seemed like all three were very, very quiet.

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Has Paul Merson ever said anything positive about us?

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I don't know, Pat. Maybe.

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I'll have to go on a little bit. I don't think he had. So it doesn't It surprised me that him and his band of Little Mary men will say positive things about us. But again, just to go back to it yesterday, you would have to put your house on. Chris to do that, but they're going to have to. If we don't win the games that we should do for the final three, like I said, Chelsea is a 50-50, I think, then we don't deserve to stay up. You've got to put those chances away, especially against the teams that are in and around you.

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We talk about a lot, Pat, things like conceding from corners and not utilizing corners and things like that. You can talk about the refereeing decisions in VAR and we always go back to- Don't get me started on that. And we go back to the other factor surrounding it. But it is in forest hands and we have to do better. You just simply have to score goals and win football games.

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Yeah, I think the whole set piece thing has been a huge Achilles heel, I think, Wanda Nuno and Steve Cooper. Hopefully, they stay up. I think will. There has to be a huge reshuffling of the pack, I think, in the summer. Excuse me. This set piece culture, whatever he is, whatever he's dressed up as. I think he needs to go home and change his outfit and come dress as somebody else because it's clearly not working. So there's so much that needs readdressing. You have to, I go back to that old saying, you to revalue what you're devaluing. And there's so much that's been devalued, I think from the top to the bottom. So hopefully, fingers crossed, the end of staying up and the end of having a reshul thing in the pack. Whether Nuno is the right man for next season, I don't know. Maybe that's another discussion for another day.

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Yes. Yeah, maybe it is. We had an interesting discussion with Steve and Dave about that on Friday's podcast, which was a bit doom and gloom. It's a bit more positive on a Monday morning today. I wanted to give this stat that I looked at last night because I don't get out much. Forest have had more shots in both their Premier League games versus Man City this season. They're the only second team to out shoot a Pep Guardiola side, both home and away in a season in his top flight managerial career since Real Madrid in 2009 to '10. So Forest created so much in the box yesterday, just didn't take chances. And when you look at XG and the conversion rate and all that, Forrest had an expected goals of 2.07 compared to City's, 0.89. It's the first time they've been pushed under almost one XG per game for a long, long time. But ultimately, Forrest didn't score. So we can talk about the stats all day long, really. Waxwell?

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Yes? It's the little victory.

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Yeah, true. We can put that in the trophy cabinet at the end of the season.

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Moral victory.

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Yes, exactly. Sarah, let's touch on the injuries that Forrest seemed to pick up yesterday, which was worrying. What's the latest on that? What did Nuno say after his press conference or during it?

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He couldn't say a lot, really. They were waiting to assess all three of them. I think the question mark is whether the substitutions could have been made sooner, particularly Nico Williams. I mean, he'd gone off. He was clearly not going to be able to continue. To defend a corner with 10 men, you I don't want to be doing that, particularly against Man City. So should Gonzalo Monte Ila come on quicker? I think he probably should, knowing that Forest was going to be without Nico. It obviously affected the marking and who was supposed to be picking up who and who was doing what job. So I think you have to put a bit of a question mark around that one. Same with Murillo as well. He clearly hurt himself in a tackle, and yet he stayed on. And then I think it was understandable a little bit that Eilind Harland got away from him for that goal because he was clearly struggling, Murillo. So again, perhaps could have come off a bit sooner. Hopefully, they're nothing serious. I mean, Murillo and Nico Williams did immediately go off down the tunnel for treatment. So They didn't look particularly comfortable, but at least they could hobble off the pitch, I guess.

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Same with Bolly. Bolly has only just come back, so I guess you could understand him not lasting the full 90 minutes anyway. But I think it's going to be a case of having to wait and see. At least there's no midweek fixture, so it's hopefully a bit of chance for rest and recovery. And if they can just go out there on Saturday, then it would just make such a big difference. So hopefully it's not serious, but I think we'll have to wait and see on that one.

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Yeah. And I suppose the three players that Sarah mentions there, Pat, they have been instrumental to Forest this season, haven't they? Nico Williams and Murillo, and the same with obviously Boli, even though he's only been involved short time recently after coming back from injury.

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Yeah, absolutely. It's just a shame. I've seen similar stuff online last night and this morning about if Williams would have... Should they have kept him on the pitch? Should they have been a little bit cuter? Sales maybe, I don't know, just going down or whatever, just buying a bit of time where you can actually make it. But if that goal doesn't go in, we're not discussing that.

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Yeah.

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Same with Murillo. I don't know. In hindsight, yes, we should have moved a lot quicker, but in making those changes. But again, it's just one of those things.

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It's always easy in hindsight, isn't it? Particularly when goals come after moments like that.

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That's right. I think there will be a huge... But hopefully they're not out for the final three games. But again, if they don't happen, we're not having that discussion. But I think it's just bad luck. I think Forrest were really unfortunate yesterday. I think they should have got a point. They didn't. They tried, but I tried to have time. I was thinking, This is all right. I'm induced by what I'm watching on the pitch. It's just unfortunate, those guys that we're talking about took the knocks, and let's hope that they're okay for the final few games.

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You mentioned there actually, Pat, about stuff online and a little bit of criticism towards Nuno. Maybe he should have made substitutions quicker and leaving almost injured players on the pitch for too long. It has been a bit of a story, has been a bit of a negative of Nuno, hasn't it, recently, is maybe just questionable substitutions, whether they're at the right time. Do you feel like that, Pat, sometimes? Do you feel like Nuno needs to be a bit sharper sometimes on the touchline and almost making substitutions quicker, given that Forest are playing such huge games at the minute that are taking a lot out the players. And just to get fresh legs on, we just need to be quicker, almost making key substitutions. Yes.

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But again, everybody in the stand, me included, everybody on the outside, we're all experts. We think we are, and the rest should make this decision to make that at the ref. The manager should make this and that decision. Sorry. It goes back to playing certain players for certain games, the physical players that are suited for different games and the quicker players that are suited for teams that play with a high line and you can hit them on the break and stuff. But we are where we are. There's not a lot we can do about it, unfortunately. I let him hope that for the final few games that he does make the right decision. I think he got his tactic spot on yesterday. Absolutely spot on. I looked at that starting alone and I thought, I think we might get overrun in midfield. And then, like I said, again, to reiterate at halftime, I thought, This is all right. They're playing really, really well. His tactics were spot on. The subs thing could be up for debate. Personally, I wouldn't have took Ilanga off unless he's got a bit of a niggle. I would have kept him on for a team like that.

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You really need his pace because you bring Reina on and then you've got Hudson. You're thinking, Where's that birth of pace coming from?

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What have you made to Reina recently, Sarah? There was a lot of calls, wasn't there? From not just Forest fans, but it seemed like American national team fans calling for Forest and was giving him a chance, giving him a chance, but he hasn't really contributed lots. But can you argue that he hasn't maybe had a fair almost crack at the wear?

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I think it's probably a bit of both. I think you need a run of games and you need to get some momentum and rhythm, particularly when you've not played a lot. If you're then going to start making an impact, you need a run. He hasn't had that. And then the pressure's on to make a big contribution and try to stand out when you do come from off the bench. So I think he's looked bright in spells. He's shown a few little glimpses, but not really had a massive influence that you would want from him. I mean, he's clearly got talent. He's clearly got ability. He's showing that for the US national side. He just hasn't really been able to do it in a forest yet. And part of that is the players that he's had ahead of him and He's trying to get a chance and an opportunity. And it's been difficult for him to get any looking. I think he can feel a little bit hard done by, but he hasn't really stood out. He hasn't really grasped his opportunities by the scruff of the neck, which is what you need to do when you're trying to force your way into the team.

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Yeah, for sure. We talk about all the time leaders on the pitch in the final three games that show it, and I just don't know. I I just think no disrespect to Reina, but I just think that he probably isn't the player to be there. I think always start a langer over him unless there's an injury shout there. Pat wanted to touch on that, actually. We talk about a lot in the podcast, and I think he talks about a lot between Forest fans at the minute, is about that leadership on the pitch and about having those, not like an academy homegrown values, but just having that leadership and fight and spirit on the pitch because the final three games are so big and you need players that are literally going to put everything on the line for you. Yates, obviously, comes into question a lot and fans are divided about him. But Forest do need to start players often that know what it means and will leave everything on the line simply to keep the football club in the Premier League?

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I think so. I mean, if you look at... I mean, Gibbs-White's performance against Fulham was just simply outstanding. Outstanding. His leadership, everything. It was just everywhere. So if you can even carry, I think, just an ounce of that passion and that drive and that tenacity, And into these final three games, it's vital. It's vital that these players, I think, especially not just the homegrown ones, I think the British players know what it means to play in the Premier League. I don't know if you're doing it, that's a bit late for team bonding now, but to hopefully not let some of the foreign players know what it means. I'm sure they do. I'm sure they get it. They turn up on a Saturday and see the passion that spills over from the fans. I'm sure they get it. But you're talking Gipsy, Yates. Who do you have on that list, Maxwell?

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Bolly? Yeah. Harry Toffalo, probably. Nico Williams. So they're just a few, I think, almost players that know what it means to the club. And that's no disrespect to the others, but it's simply true that when Yates came on for Forest against Everton last week, I turned and said to my dad, I was like, God, Yates is the only player in this squad that actually got promoted with the football club, originally.

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That's crazy.

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Yeah, which is mental to say, whereas last season we did have more players that were homegrown. You saw what it meant to, it comes with a lot of criticism, but you saw what it meant to Joe Warrall on one of the final games when he survived against Arsenal. He was there and Cooper was comforting him because it means so much to those players that- That hand on the shoulder moment, wasn't it? Yeah. It was an iconic picture that. It will go down in the forest history. I think we miss sometimes Cooper for those moments. Let's look ahead to a big week, Sarah. Another big week for Forest. Never a quiet or a dull one. Points Deduction Appeal Week. Forest reports came out last night that Forest are expected to hear in the next few days? So difficult question, Sarah, but can you see Forest getting any points back? And yeah, just your take on obviously another huge week.

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I mean, the club are hopeful. I mean, they appealed for that reason. Whether they do get any points back or not, I'm not sure. I mean, what we've learned from the independent commissions that have heard Forest case and Everton's case is that every single one is different, and you can't predict what one hearing is going to say, what one group of... I mean, it's three different people every time. It's so difficult to read anything into it. If you look at what happened in I think it's a bit different. I think it's a bit different in the original hearing, I don't think there's a lot of leeway there for Forrest to make their case again. But again, it's in front of a different hearing, so who knows? It's so difficult to predict. I think you have to take it that if they do get any points back, great. A huge bonus, even if it's just one, it could make a massive difference. The big thing is to have it sorted and have the clarity, because I think that hanging over the squad has just not been good. Nuno has spoken about it. So, excuse me, having it all done, knowing what needs to be done, knowing how many points they have in the table, I think that's the biggest thing to take from it.

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And if any points do get given back, then that's the bonus.

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Yeah. I will also add, it tees me up quite nicely for a cheeky plug, the podcast that me and Sarah did with Robert the financial expert who serves as a board member for the Forest Trust. He's actually submitted as an independent, you're allowed to submit evidence to the new appeal, basically, Sarah mentions there, the new three, whoever they will be. He submitted alongside the Forest Supporters Trust Basically, almost a list of evidence and a report into the whole appeal. So that will contribute some way, shape or form, and may well help Forest get points back. But I'd highly recommend you go and listen to our podcast with him, and he literally He explains everything from top to bottom, but he might make you a lot more angry given his findings. Pat, it is a big week and you've got Sheffield United on Saturday. It's a difficult game away from home. We know what forests are like away from home. And you just hope that even, like Sarah said, if you get a point back, the confidence you could take into that game with the traveling fans, it would be huge.

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How many away games have they won in two seasons? Is it three?

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Yeah. So you're not confident then. It's not looking good, is it? No, it isn't.

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And you know, even though they're... You knew this before Sheffield United were relegated. Because it's Forest and the history between the two, they're going to turn up. They're really going to turn up. The fans are going to turn up when you think the players, there's Xplas, Benny Horsesborne, Jack Robinson, There's another one. Who's the third one that plays for them?

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I'm a Hudsitch.

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Who's it?

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I'm a Hudsitch.

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I think it's going to be very, very difficult. I'm just hoping that time was on the bench last 10 minutes. Equalizer are a winner. Calling it now.

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We'll clip that up.

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We're living hope.

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Again, just to go back, it's so bizarre because from week to week, you could be so deflated.

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Again, to go back to the Everton game, you're so deflated. And then you go back from yesterday, you think, oh, play like this, it will be fine. So again, I think we can say about which Chelsea is going to turn up, but which Forest is going to turn up.

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It's the inconsistency, isn't it?

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That's absolutely it. Yeah, for sure.

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Yeah It is the inconsistency. We'll see. Go on to close because I seem to be doing it at the minute. Pat, are you hopeful that Forest will stay up? Do you think the squad and the team and Nuno, they've got enough fight and spirit to simply stay in the Premier League?

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I believe so. What they've got and what they've shown, they haven't shown it on a regular basis, but if they show that for the final three games, we'll be fine. I mean, 10 to what you guys, Sarah was talking about the points deduction, if we get two points back, we're three points clear. That's a win. That's huge at this point. So you don't want to hang your hats on getting any of those back. But if we do, huge bonus, like you guys said, huge bonus. But I think we'll stay up.

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Are you hopeful, Sarah?

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Well, you have to be hopeful.

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It's a hope that kills us.

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I think it's going back to the same point, really. It's that if Forest play like they did yesterday, they've got a great chance. But But it's a big if, particularly away from home, where the performances haven't been great, and results haven't been. It seems to be against the top teams. The performances are really good. It's against the teams and around where it's a bit more of a struggle. And that's maybe a little bit of a concern looking at the final fixtures. I think a lot of it is going to deal with the pressure. Can the players cope with the pressure that comes with those games? Can they handle the scrutiny that will come with it? Can they deal with it, particularly away from home? Because obviously it's very different going to Bramwell Lane and Turf more than at the city ground when you've got the whole... We know what difference the fans can make. Going to those grounds against a Sheffy United team that I'll probably be absolutely determined to send Forrest down, I'm sure. I think it's going to be really difficult. And a lot of it is going to be mental, how the players cope with all that.

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And that's when you need your big characters. You need your Morelos, you have your Bollies, you have your Gibbs Whites. Everybody needs to be playing at their best. But so much confidence, so much positivity to take from Saturday, it's a He said, That's the template, that's the standard. Do it again and again and again, and then there's a great chance.

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Go on, Pat, you want to come in there?

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Yeah, just as you were talking then, Sarah, I was thinking, because Gibbs White obviously spent a while, didn't he, at Sheffield? He was clearly playing against us in the playoff semis. But it would mean a lot to him, I think as well, specifically, out of a lot of the players. So I'm hoping he really steps up to the plate, runs the show, does what he does and everything just comes off.

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If anybody is going to drag Forrest over the line, it's going to be Morgan Gibbs-White. He's done it for the past few weeks. He's really stepped up to the plate, go back to that Fulham game when he was absolutely sensational. And he's done it a few times. He's the talisman. He's the one to look to. He's the one that's going to drag the team over the line. And I think you're right. I think wearing the armband means a lot to him. I think he likes having that responsibility and the spotlight on him. And I think he will really be fired up for the Sheffy United game, but also for the final three, because I think he wants it. He wants to be part of a team leading out a team that gets over the line. I think it would mean a lot to him.

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Yeah, it certainly would. We'll have to see. I've just seen a comment here which has made me laugh from Keith, which says, The only thing we're consistent at is being inconsistent. Yeah, you're right, Keith. Good lad, Keith. You're absolutely right. This summer, at least, I'm actually really looking forward to not talking about set pieces every week. So I'm really hoping that... Go on, Pat.

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Sorry, mate, to rudely interrupt. It's nice sitting here today and talking about a somewhat decent performance and not talking about crap refrain decisions, VAR, everything's all of it. Everything's doom and gloom, but I think there's optimism.

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Yeah.

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And it feels nice for a change.

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Yeah. And this could be the turning point. I can remember when Forest lost to Liverpool last year, and I think it was three, two, wasn't it? And everyone walked to our landfill. And weirdly, it You felt positive. And that was the game after we'd lost to Leeds, I think, and everything was doom and gloom. And then we went and survived. So fingers crossed, that happens. We'll have to see. Right. That does us nicely. Pat, appreciate your time. First time regular.

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Thanks for having Good. Thank you so much. Thank you.

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Good. Hope you come back again. Hope you enjoyed the.

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I might not get an invite.

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Maybe. You might be on the reserve list after the summer. Sarah, thank you as always, and hopefully You shake the lurgy off soon.

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Hopefully. Yeah, thank you.

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Get well soon. We need you for Sheffield United. You're going to come on with Taewo and score the winner. Calling it now. Right. That does us nicely. Leave us a review on Spotify and Apple podcast if you did enjoy, thanks for your comments as well on Facebook and YouTube. Have a great rest of your Monday. We will see you for, hopefully, when Forrest get a few points back, but you never know. See you next time and have a brilliant week.