Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Garret Vaudy Red podcast after a big, big Forest win. Three goals to one against Sheffield United. And as our lovely Mark in the Trent Turner, Kisses the Badge. We're both wearing Forest shirts tonight. That's how good it is for Forest. Just what a win. I haven't got much of a voice and I've not done much prep for this. I can't lie in true broadcasting fashion. So I hope we'll be able to do a decent enough podcast for you. My voice is going as well. I literally just got back from Sheffield about 15 minutes ago. Sorry to rub it in, Mark, but it was a fantastic away day. It was absolutely brilliant. It was great. And you join us for what seems like a podcast we wanted to do for ages, a podcast that Forest have won. And just how big a win is that, Mark? Talk us through where you were watching it in America.

Oh, my. Well, first thing I say is the atmosphere sounded It sounded raucous. I know a lot of that was to do with you boys on the away day. But fair do's as well to the Sheffield United fans who played their part, at least in terms of the noise, until about 20 minutes to go when it was clear to them that all hope was lost. I'm not just wearing a forest shirt, Max. Look what I'm wearing.

Oh, he's got Yates on the back. Is it signed as well?

Get in there. It's signed by Yates. Absolutely.

On the back. We We love that. We love that, mate.

Yeah, huge result, mate. Absolutely huge. I think a point now will do it. A point from the last two games will probably do it given current form of teams, given the goal difference. But it's set up beautifully now, isn't it? Chelsea at the city ground, last day on the beach.

Yeah. And it's similar, it's parallel, isn't it? A little bit to last season with the Arsene game. I mean, look, Forest might be safe before a ball is even It puts us in a very nice position now, to say the least, with points, possibly coming back. I'll emphasize on possibly. We don't know. We'll find out in the coming days. I expect probably Tuesday, Wednesday time, we will find out. But points back on the board means that Burnley will pretty much be gone and Luton will have to win basically in their next game, and they're away from home against West Ham. So not an easy place to go by all means, but still work to be done, as Yates was talking about in his post-match interview. The atmosphere was great, Mark. It was really good. I mean, look, the Forest fans turn up week in, week out. It's just been that the players haven't, most recently. However, Today, all credit, second half more than first, shall we say. They turned up in style. And boy, they never make it easy. It's never ever plain sailing. Just absolutely ecstatic. I've got my fan brain on today, not my podcast and broadcasting brain.

Yeah, exactly. Let's talk about Ryan Yates. Got to start with him. Well, in fact, before we come on to Yates, let's start with the performance on a whole, and particularly in the second half, because that first off wasn't great. Almost felt like we were playing a little bit the occasion, even though Sheffield United had nothing to play for. The home atmosphere got... I think the Forest players felt it. It seemed and felt nervous around the away and on the pitch. But Callum Hudson, he pops up and does what he's done brilliantly, not all the time, but in key games, in games that he needs to do it. And he lifted Forest from there, didn't he, really, Mark?

Yeah. I mean, it could have been so different. We talked previously on this podcast about the importance of momentum, both within games and from game to game. And have Forest been able to convert that opportunity in the first, what was that? First 90 seconds of the match? Might have been the In the 60 seconds of the match where Morgan gives White went on a run and then whipped a ball into the box for Chris woods to, we thought, dispatch the opener. I think you had to put all of your money in your house on that one. And had that gone in, it could have been a different story that first half, but you're right, it didn't. Sheffield United got a grip of the game, and they came at us, to be fair. A couple of things I want to point out. The Montiel penalty, I have no idea what he was doing there. I don't know if you've seen it back at max, but it was bizarre. I have no rationale for that. The other thing I'll say is, boy, does that underscore how much we were missing Nico Williams today? But if we're talking about fullbacks, we were also fortunate, coming back to your comments regarding Hudson Adoy, that he happened to be up against, apparently, the dumbest fullback in the entire Premier League, thank heavens, who evidently wasn't aware that that particular goal is the one that Callum Hudson Adoy scores.

No other goals, just that one. And he did it twice today, and he could have had a third. So we were very fortunate that, again, that fullback hadn't done his homework. Callum Hudson Adoy showed up. And second half, the Forest boys turned the screw, led by Mr. Forest himself, Ryan Yates.

Yeah. And I will admit that as the halftime whistle went, there was a few boos from the foxy way, and I just looked and spoke to a few people around me at the time and said, I just really don't think we're in it. And I think we're struggling. And it's worrying given that Sheffield United are where they are. No disrespect to them, but they are the worst team in the league.

Well, let me ask you, Max, how does that help? I understand. I completely understand everyone pays their money, shows up to the game, and can fan however they want to fan. But in the situation we're in, where we all need to be together on the same page, recognizing we don't have the world's greatest manager in Nuno necessarily, and we don't have the Premier League's greatest squad. And we talked before about the cohesion in this team and how they have an up game and then three down games. I just don't get how booing at the players at halftime. If they got beaten today, I would absolutely understand the ire at the end, as we saw during the last away game. Do you see how that brings something to the party, the positivity?

No, probably not. I just think the fans, it's all about now because we've won. But I think the fans were a little bit frustrated, given that there was some questionable decisions, shall we say. And Murillo saved us numerous times. I mean, Shefford United probably could have scored two or three in that first half. Let's talk about Mr. Forest. Ryan Yates does save us. And I was worried when VAR was checking. Really, really worried. But thank the Lord. Thank the footballing Lord. Yeah, Just glad Stuart Atwell wasn't anywhere near Stockley Park today.

I was doubly worried because not only would I have been absolutely devastated for Forest, but I already knew I had to call a roofer because I managed to scream all the tiles off my house. So I was deep in the pocket. And so I was hoping that, yeah, at least the goal was going to stand.

Yeah, me too. We are live on Facebook and YouTube, but Paul with this comment. Massive win, hopefully. Finish the job, take the pressure off. Incredibly stressful season on and off the pitch. I think that sums We're all feeling so cool. What a season it's been. I keep talking about going for a lie down, but I think I need a lie down after today. Never mind after the season. I want to touch on Ryan Yates because thanks to the powers that be managed to get hold of this stat. Forest is still yet to win a single point away from home since promotion without Yates on the pitch. So every time Forest have been involved in getting a point or winning away from home, it's been because Well, not entirely because, but Ryan Yates has been on the pitch. And we've got to give him credit because he is a player that does get criticized sometimes, Mark. But as you said, Mr. Forest, I feel like every team needs a Ryan Yates, every side needs a Ryan Yates. Turned It opens up, right moment, right time. And he just does what Ryan Yates truly does. And it was nice to see him get the first Premier League goal today.

And boy, did it mean a lot to him as well.

Yeah, it did. And to paraphrase John Snow I know from Game of Thrones, If you're a Forest fan who thinks Ryan Yates brings nothing to the party, you know nothing. I'm sorry, that's just my position. Again, everyone's entitled to their opinion. They can fan how they want to fan. But those of you who were saying Ryan Yates brings nothing to the party, You're wearing blinkers. He's not the complete midfielder. He's not, for those of my age, a Brian Robinson, or maybe for those a little younger, a Roy Keen. He's not a box to boxer who can do it all. I wouldn't say he's a one-trick pony. I think that's doing him a disservice. But he's limited in certain regards. But boy, does he have heart to spare? Does he give everything in every match? And is he there on the big occasions? You think about the playoff final. I know it was his goal, not his goal, right? It was an own goal, but he was Johnny on the spot. He was the one putting the pressure on to ultimately convert what ended up being the promotion-winning goal. And then today, when he was needed, he stepped up.

And he struggled in the first half, as did all of the players. But it's just so interesting to me how those flair players in our team get given degrees of latitude when it comes to tons of rope, because people think, Oh, well, he'll show up for the next game, or he's a flair player. Today wasn't his day, or he was matched up against the wrong fullback or player in central midfield. But with Yates, the minute he puts a foot wrong, Twitter is ablaze. And I think today, he showed his value once again to Notland Forest, and he did it, what, 48 hours after Joe Wurrell put in his first goal of the season as well for Baciktas. So that was beautiful symmetry there. So fair play. Good job, Yatesy.

Yeah, fair play to Joe as well. That's still a good club servant. This comment from Simon, it feels a massive result that despite the first half performance, just Crazy that if we get a couple of points back on appeal, that relegates Burnley without another kick.

I don't think we'll get two points back.

What's a mess. Patrick says, Yates is a solid squad player. Martin says, Massive three points once we are over that line. We need to look at making some big transfers in the right positions to avoid another disappointed season like the last two. Andrew says, We are yet to win a point on the road unless Yates is on the pitch. Just shows how pivotal he is. It's almost like you took the words out of my mouth.

Well, and again, just I'll come back to that for you very quickly. So I'm not saying that Yates is a world beater. I'm not saying he's necessarily a starter, certainly not in every game, right? Sometimes it's horses for courses. I just feel like he's a really important part of the squad, and I think he's a really important talisman for this club and representative of our city. So I think he absolutely has a part to play. And again, for any fans who feel like he has zero value, I don't know what to tell you.

Who He impressed you the most today on the pitch? Would you say Ryan Yates, Mark?

Well, I think he had a rocky first half. And it surprised him, actually, because I think it was a game that was made for him, but he definitely grew into the game. I think you and I are going to be on the same wavelength, though, because I suspect your player of the game was Murillo.

Yeah.

He was magnificent again. It's ridiculous how young he is and how few professional matches he's played. And honestly, I think he would earn a spot right now on any Premier League squad. Any. I mean that.

Yeah, it's a bold statement that Mark.

I'm talking squad, right? I'm not saying he's going to be in Man City starting 11. But I think if you offered him up to City and they could get him at the right price, and they could bring him into that squad and continue to develop him. I think he's going to be one of the top... I'm not going to get too hyperbolic here and put a number on it, but he's going to be one of the top centrebacks on the planet here in the next five years.

Wow. Yeah. I know. I agree. Phenomenal. Phenomenal player.

He has no weakness. He's strong in the air. He can come out of either side. He's quick. He's physical. His weakness is his soccer IQ because he's played a handful of games. But you add another 50, 100 games to that. You tell me where he's weak. It's ridiculous. He's only going to get better. He was great today.

Yeah, I know he was. And he looked over to the Forest fans, actually, in the first half when I think a lot of Forest fans are getting a little bit frustrated and almost gave words of encouragement and put his arms in the air. And you feel there's a real bond between him and the supporters. And that chant is absolutely brilliant. I can't say it out loud because it's got an expletive in. I might get told off. So I can't sing it, but just what a brilliant chant. Nice to see some new Forest chants coming as well, especially the one with Nuno. Again, I can't sing that. But I'm sure you can You can imagine, listeners and viewers. Let's touch on Hudson Adoy a little bit more. Two goals for him, possibly a hat-trick. Morgan squaring that ball very kindly to him when he probably should have taken it himself. But just again, I know You did mention a minute ago, but he seems... Hudson Adoy hasn't been brilliant recently, and I have criticized him and Alanger at times. Alanger didn't have the best of games today, shall we say. But Hudson Adoy has that special special goal in him, and he scored two of them today, as you said.

But also what I think is nice about Hudson Adoy, or not nice, but a skill that he seems to be improving on every week is his partnership with the fullbacks. It just seems like he's really building himself into this Forest squad. You can really see him being around the club for the next few seasons, can't you, Mark? Because he just seems to be a player that... And at the end, when the players came over to the away end and saluted them and celebrated in a way, Morgan was pushing Callum in front of the fans to give them a bit of a jeer. And he feels like he's becoming not one of our own, because he isn't, but you feel like you're getting that bond almost with Callum the same way you are with Morgan and Yates and even Murillo now.

Yeah. Well, I'm not a fan of Hudson Adoy today, quite frankly, because he scored two goals right after I took him out of my fantasy team. I wonder where that was going then. Yeah. Yeah, my twisted thinking, my twisted logic was, if I keep him in my fantasy team, I'm tempting fate. And so ironically enough, I put Harmer in there from Sheffy United thinking, if he shows up, as he has done for them on a number of occasions this season and scores the goals, and Forest lose, I will be so angry, but at least my fantasy team will benefit. So yeah, twisted logic. Harmer was quiet. Callimert and Adoy had probably, well, I think it's his best game of the season, but certainly his most impactful. He reminds me of a lot former players, wide players for Forest. Back when I was a young one, he reminds me of Ian Wohn, and then more recently of Raleigh Majesky, in that he flits in and out with games. He's undoubtedly got an abundance of talent. And again, I know every commentator says this, but I think we continue to forget that he's 23 years old. That's it.

I mean, you and Kalimata Nadoy aren't too far apart, are you?

Yeah. You've just made me You feel old. What am I doing with my... He's a year older than me. There you go. I'm 20 at the end of this month.

All right. Madness, madness. But it's interesting because the langar, I think, is always in games. Alanga always seems to be on the fringes of games. He's always in games. He's in and out. He's always about it. And when he doesn't play well, he's frustrating. He's still about it, but he's frustrating. And then when it connects because of that pace, he can be devastating. With Hudson Adoy, he's either in it or he's not. He literally vanishes for 10 or 15 minutes at a time. You almost think you're playing with 10, and then the ball comes to his feet and his one-on-one with his fullback, and you're like, he's going to stick it in the back. Yeah, There you go. There you go. I think you can just develop a little bit more consistency, say, a bit more connected. I think part of that, again, it comes back to the cohesion, not keep banging on that same old drum, but also having players in and around him who are looking for him, who can trust him, who know what you want, who knows what he wants. And that comes with time and just developing those relationships with your teammates.

But he's a phenomenal talent. He really is. We're very fortunate to have him, particularly at the price point at which we snagged him, which that's like buying a bag of Skittles. That's ridiculous.

I'll give credit to Henry Winter, the top journalist that actually put this on Twitter, about the forest, almost three key players he singled out today. Murillo, about, they reckon about 15 million. Callum once in the doy, 3 million, 2 million add-ons, so you're looking at five. And then Matt Sells is around the 3 million mark. So for under the price of 20 million or so, you've got just three key unbelievable players that have turned up. And when you compare that to Sangare, for example, when you pay 47 million for just...

Well, and also I throw in the mix there as well, because he just won his third successive player of the month award, Nico Williams. We got him for a packet of peanuts, too. And he's been arguably, he and Murillo, at least, have been arguably the most consistent and outstanding defenders for us this season.

Yeah, I think people are quick to criticize the recruitment. And look, we all agree it's not been fantastic when you look at the likes of Sangari and Omar Richards with his broken leg. But at At least they've almost learnt their lesson a little bit in a way this season, and Forest have done all right. I'm just going to read some more comments out because we got a lot of comments. Phil says, going back to Yates, Yates isn't a flair player, but he brings heart and commitment, and it's who you'd want playing when the pressure is on. Mark says, Bolly immense, definitely a back three with wingbacks works well. New contract, please, for Bolly. This one's cracked me up. Steve, as promised, I have joined the live. Steve was sat in front of me at today's game and said hello. Hello, Steve. Nice to meet you, Steve. And thanks for joining as promised. Just apologies. You had to hear me shouting at the game, and you now have to hear me with no voice.

Do you fill in the expletives at the match? Because I can't imagine an expletive coming out your mouth, Max.

No, I'm fully well-behaved. No chance. No chance to involve the swear words for me.

Moving swiftly on.

Yes. Moving swiftly on. It's been a mad day. I feel like all the emotions been sucked out of me actually today. I honestly feel like I need to have a-How nervous were you?

I mean, were you like a coiled spring before the match? Seriously, mate.

Yeah, I think the fans knew what today meant. I think it was literally, Forrest have to win here. This isn't a game where you can draw and go, well, it's not the worst case scenario. But given, I think even Luton's point yesterday, probably should have got more. And just given how big the next three games are, we needed to win. My dad's just commented, Max never swears good parenting.

Thanks a lot, my dad. Nice job, dad.

Yes. Thanks, dad. He wasn't there today. Maybe that's why we won because my dad is.

I wonder if he still thinks it's good parenting. That was very rude, Max. Very rude.

Do you know what, Mark? It's actually the first time, probably for many, the first time I've seen Forest went away from home in the Premier League because it wasn't at Chelsea, it wasn't at Southampton, it wasn't at New Jersey. Oh, no way. So the three that we've won in the two seasons now becomes four, and I was finally there for the four.

That was very brave of you to show up today then because otherwise, it would have been on you.

It would have been. I've had a few comments directed at me saying, Whatever you do, don't go to Burnley on the last game of the season if it goes down to that. But hopefully it won.

Can I ask you a quick question? Because we talked about Yasi and Cho and Marillo and whatnot, What? Morgan Gibbs-White was very quiet, again, particularly in the first half. He grew into the second half. But again, people being critical of Yates throughout the season, but come hither hour, come hither man. Were you a little disappointed with Morgan's performance today, recognizing that he's Probably the most outstanding talent we have? Or do you feel like, you know what? He stepped up when we needed it, he contributed enough, and we got it done?

Yeah, I wouldn't put him on my criticism list. I thought But actually, in terms of my only negative towards Morgan was, especially in the first off, got a little bit involved in the occasion. It's a former club. There was a few cheap fouls he gave away. And then the second half, he should have just taken that shot, and he shouldn't have squared it to Callum on.

I agree. And also, can you explain to me, coming back to booing, what is the point if Sheffield United fans booing a player that was outstanding in their colors, and as far as I know, hasn't disrespected him in any way, shape, or form, subsequently. He had a few words to say about Wolves. I mean, nothing too derogatory, but enough, I guess, to create friction between him and those fans. But I don't know. I don't get it.

No, neither, Mark. Just on a whole then, and you've been, not criticized, but question Nuno, the same as I am, Mark. But today, good team selection, and you feel like you just... I know there's any more two The game's left now, but it's taking us this long. But you just feel like you're getting that consistency a little bit. And today showed, in a sense, that consistency with players like Bolleyback, for example, and having the leadership. You feel like that consistency will surely come with time. And next season, if Nuno is still the manager, I expect he is, if Forest stay up, then that surely has to go from strength to strength. And you talk about cohesion. Well, that hopefully won't be a problem next season.

Yeah, I think there's a potential for upswing from this point out. If Forest stay up and Nuno has the ability to buy players in the transfer window that fit his system and fit with the existing members of the team that he wants to keep around, then I think, yeah, there's great potential. I don't know that this result off the back of the Man City game necessarily represents a significant shift. Certainly, we play better, arguably, against Man City than we did today, actually. But still, positive performance, followed by necessary result. I'm not going to sit here and put bad juju out into the world in any way, shape, or form. Any opinions I might have on our shortcomings as a team or Nuno's shortcomings as a manager, I'm going to keep firmly to myself until we are 100 % confirmed safe this season. But as far as next season is concerned, if we are still in the Premier League, like I said, Nuno has the opportunity to really start crafting this team in his image, then I think there's a potential for good to happen, Max. But I also think at that point, there's no place to hide.

Nuno has no excuses. He gets a transfer window. He already has, I think, a really good solid, certainly starting at 11. And if he can add, like I said, three, four, five players to that, that are his picks that he thinks are going to give us more depth and And options in regards to selection. And we start off roughly this next season, then it's going to be on him. So we'll see. We'll see. But for right now, just positivity, just positivity out to the universe.

Yeah, it'll be a positive. It's nice to talk about a positive performance. I know it wasn't too long ago with the Fulham game, but nice to hopefully have now a positive week, which we can build on for, fingers crossed, a party atmosphere on Saturday. If Forrest is safe by then or just need to get a point to get us over the line. And do you truly believe we're going to be okay, Mark? Because my mentality this morning was going from if we lose today, I really think we're going down to now. I think that Forrest is going to go on to a villa next year and win the Champions League.

Well, one thing I did notice today is I think a lot more of the calls went in our favor, or at least the ones that we should have got, we got. And I agree with you. I was holding my breath on the Ryan Yates goal. Is Vaar going to go in our favor? And when things actually, I say go in our favor, I think we got what we deserve today. And it made me tongue in cheek think, Is that because we got rid of Clattenberg in the week? The PGO, M-O-L, we're off their poop list at this point. Now we're back in favor. But will they stay up? I think they have every chance of doing it. It's been all happened, isn't I said, Yeah, this is the first time I've said that in about a month. And I genuinely feel like... I think I was at the city ground the last time Forrest played Chelsea there. I think it was a Christmas 2023, and we drew. And I remember Rahim Sterling scored, which made me mad because I do not care for him as a player. And I was talking to my daughter right before he scored and said, I don't want Chelsea to equalize, obviously, but if they do, please don't let it be Rahim.

You got to be me. Anyway, so I think Forest can definitely get a point out of that game, but I feel like there's another Arsenal in the offing. I really do. I think you and all of those City Ground faithful are in for a fantastic weekend. And Like I said, it's Beach Balls in Burnley. There you go. There's the title of your episode. Oh, brilliant.

I'm going to write that down now, mate. You know what? It's a great title. Yeah, I'm looking forward to get the Hawaiian shirt out. Again, fingers crossed for Very good. More comments. A lot about Yates, a lot of praise, as we can imagine. Shout out to Yates. Genuine hard working player. We need players like him to allow the flair players to shine. Good on you, Ryan. That's a great point. Down, doubt the doubt, as I'm sure that was meant to say. Mark says, Great advantage, the position we are in, especially next week with us playing after looting and Burnley, they lose. We are safe by goal difference. Markus with, I think, reflecting a lot of what Forest fans feel tonight. So nice to have a smile on our I think we will be having a massive party on Saturday. I'm having a party tonight. I don't know about anyone else. I might order a takeaway and go for a few drinks.

Lovely. Couple of right beeners. Lovely.

Yeah, I am old enough to drink, Mark. Don't worry. Talking of someone that's been drinking-Not in America, you're not. No, I'm not. I'm not actually. That's a scary point. That's why I'm not coming over. Talking of drinks, I I'm hoping this video is okay. Max from the podcast who often comes on at Max Scott. It's his birthday today. Happy birthday, Max.

Happy birthday, Max.

He sent us this video from a bar in London. I hope this is PG. Let's have a listen to Max. All right, guys. Sorry, I can't be on the pod today, but I'm in London celebrating my birthday. Of course, I managed to find a dodgy stream to watch Ryan Yates score his first goal for the Garibaldi in the Premier League. Obviously, the three points is massive. I think that it really puts us in the driving seat to survive. It's massive. Despite all of the tumultuous couple of weeks, tumultuous season we've had under Maranakis, we've managed to get ourselves to a point where we are today. But I think it's all about Ryan Yates, isn't it, Max? What an absolute legend. I think he represents everything brilliant about Forest, everything about our amazing city. And for him to get that goal, for me, just tops off on my birthday. So up the Forest, skittles.

Amazing. That's why he looked a little glazy-eyed there. I think he was already a couple of points in. And I had no idea one of his mates pointed out that he was a banker.

I had no idea that was his impression. No, neither. Good to know. I thought he was a talk sport broadcaster. Happy birthday, Max. He seems very happy, as we all are. It was just like he was there in the podcast with us then. In fact, someone's commented here, Marcus, I think maybe from Greece, Ha ha, I've had a few mythos to celebrate. Nice. Good bear. Enough about the beer chat. Let's bring it back to the football. Party atmosphere then, fingers crossed on Saturday. Not an easy task, though, against Chelsea. They're in form at the minute under Pochettino, and they've had a bit of a difficult season, but seem to be turning a corner. We'll touch on that in a minute to close. But just before we do that, wanted to actually single out a few more players, Mark. You mentioned there we missed Williams, and we did today. It was nice to see Harry Toffalo come on, who I thought, again, was just Mr. Reliable in the last 10 minutes or so. But another player that seems to be Mr. Reliable is Boli. I just thought, again, second half in particular, just excellent performance. Nothing really got past him.

Partnership with Murillo. I honestly think if Forrest can keep hold of Murillo in the summer, which we hope we can, I think that will be the partnership pair next season. Bolley brings that Premier League experience. It's not saying that Marillo is any less than that, but obviously, Marillo has never played in the Premier League before up until us and slotted him well. But Bollie almost has that captain mentality at times as well. He's been around the blocks, to say the least, for a while in the Premier League. So you just feel like that partnership, pairing, will help us for the remaining two games and possibly next season as well.

Yeah. No, I think there's been a lot of talk about Tywe in his absence and how keenly that's been felt, and it certainly has. I mean, to be left with really one decent number nine is pretty shocking for a Premier League team, and certainly one that's spent as much as we have over the last two seasons. But I don't think enough attention has been given to the absence of Boli and just what that's meant to us. And we have some decent center back. You talk about Murillo, Nikate. We have a couple of others that aren't too to Shoddy. But in Boli, I think you have something different and unique. And to your point, Max, I think also he has the potential to form a really good partnership with Murillo because he brings to the party those things that Murillo is missing, primarily that experience, that knowledge of the Premier League, and certain players. Bollie has played against these forwards before. He's played against these wingers before. He knows what some of these teams in the Premier League are going to do down to a granular level. So to be able to share that expertise he's with Murillo is important.

And obviously he's huge, which helps on set pieces. Lord, do we need that assistance? But I also think where Boli is lacking, Murillo brings that to the party. And I think primarily that's in pace. We saw Boli get caught out a couple of times today and couldn't recover, and Murillo did. So I think they're a really nice partnership. I mean, would I like to see two Murillo's back there with Bolly's experience? That would be awesome. But for the time being, I think it was great to have him back in the team, and he definitely showed his value to Forest today.

Never mind. Number one is Ryan Yates and number two, it's number one is Murillo and number 12 is Murillo. If only we could have 11 Murillo's on the football pitch sometimes, then we'd probably be safe by now. Mark with this comment, which I think is spot on. We deserve to stay up for all the doom and gloom of late. We'd be safe now, but for the points deduction. Yeah, I feel like this season has been- Yeah, but Everton can say the same, and they play better than us this year.

They've been a better team than us this year. So we have to take our licks in that regard and say, Yeah, it sucks to get points deducted, but also, What are you doing out there on the green? Because if you're not performing for one week to the next, as Everton have done this last month or so, when it's really counted, then you got to do that first and foremost, don't you? I mean, you can point fingers at the league all day, but we haven't had a great season. We haven't been consistent. But to coin a phrase from Ryan Yates' post-match interview today, This is the business end of the season, and if we show up for the last three games, we'll be all right.

Yeah, I agree. Nice comment from Reece as well here, which says, Great work, guys. First viewer will spread the word. Yes, do spread it, Reece. Appreciate the nice feedback recently, and we're doing well on listeners and views. So keep listening and whatnot. And maybe we'll do an in-person And Gary has already read podcast. When I'm old enough to drink Mark in America.

Well, what viewers and listeners don't know is that when Max and I were in behind the curtain, get ready to come live, he had his standard white tea on because as we know, that's Max's uniform, right? And he said, Oh, I'm going to go put my forest shirt on. And he wouldn't do it on camera. Now he needs to start doing it on camera so we can capture that, and then that could be paid for content, right? I think a lot of female listeners, probably even a few of the fellows, too. They'd love to see that. Win-win, Mark.

Win-win. God, this podcast takes an interesting turn.

I wonder what you're having me on more often, and then I remember. Yes, then you remember, mate.

Just a few more things before we go, we've got to touch on Tywo. He came on. His first call was offside. There's a surprise. When the offside flag went off for Tywo, the guy behind me went, 'Welcome back, Tywo, Rony.

' When the 8s comes on, the yellow card comes out in the first two minutes. You're like, 'Yep, there you go.

Yeah, but what a big boost for Forest Mark, and possibly an even bigger boost in the remaining two games. If we can get Tywo back to that fully fitness, we've then got preseason with him. Again, such a big player. I mean, it just speaks volumes himself, Tywo, won't he, really?

Yeah, he does. It's interesting with the Chris Wood situation because two, three weeks ago, you and I were both saying, When Tywo is back, Woody still starts, right? Tywo would come off the bench, be an impact player last couple of three games of the season. Woody, obviously, is going through a rocky spell right now. He couldn't hit a barn door with a Banjo. And you wonder, what do you do in that situation? Does Nuno leave him in and say, You know what? You have stepped up at big occasions this season. Were it not for your goals? We'd be in dire straits. That wasn't a Forest fan reference, although I'm realizing now that ties in nicely. So do you stick with him? Do you say, You know what? You've earned the starting spot, and we have faith. Or do you say, Okay, Taewo is back. Throw him in there against Chelsea. How would he come off the bench? I don't know. I mean, there's any number of different ways you can skin that cat. But either way, it's good to have the depth. It's good to have the option. I was so happy to see Taewo come on today, and I guarantee, absolutely guarantee, he is going to score in one of the last two games this season.

It will probably be Burnley. I imagine he'll probably come off the bench against Chelsea, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him start against Burnley when we're already safe. So get him out there, stretch his legs, have him bone deliver a ball from two yards in Taewo fashion.

Exactly. In true Taewo fashion. There you go. You've just called it. Any final thoughts before we go, Mark? It's early there. You've got the whole day ahead of you as I'm going to order a pizza. And again, things you don't get on much of the day, as you said the other week, because I haven't eaten and I'm starving. And I'm going to celebrate it with a nice pizza, I reckon.

No, not really. I am just buzzing. I'm absolutely buzzing. I'm very surprised that I didn't get a knock at my door about three quarters of the while through that came and open it to find the police stood there. I'm amazed that none of my neighbors called the local force here thinking I was in here murdering people as loud as I was screaming. Absolutely fantastic. Just very happy to be on the pod, to be able to talk to you about it. Super excited for Ryan Yates. And with that, I don't have access to the trend, but I'm off to the Colorado River. See you later.

Brilliant. He's off. There he goes. Absolutely fantastic. What a podcast. Whether he's going to come back and say his final goodbye, I'm not sure. But if not, thank you. Oh, he's back. Thanks for listening and watching live on Facebook and YouTube. We will see you this week for some more Forest-related content. Keep spreading the word, keep listening. Spotify I like Apple podcasts and YouTube. Mark, I've got to finish it off, haven't I? With a catchy saying, especially because we've won. I'm relying on you to finish this one. You bet. Ready?

Yeah.

He's breaking ankles everywhere he goes. His name's Murillo.

I don't know how it ends.

I relied on you. I had to throw it to you. It goes, Murillo DeSantos.

You know what? I do know. I completely dropped the baby on that one. Yes, because I was trying to listen to it on TV, couldn't make it out. Searched it up on... Oh, my Lord. I actually searched it up online.

Yeah.

All right. Well, can we go with this one? You finish this one up, right? Oh, God. If you hate C-Scores.

We're in the trend. There we go. We'll see you next time on Garabody Road. Good night.