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Hi, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Fitness Friday. Well, today we'll be with a friend. I'm with my friendly Ron, who is a trainer, a fitness coach in LA, who I adore, and I've worked out with him many a times. We are discussing today what I think a lot of people are curious about, which is training styles for men and women. Do you feel, as a trainer, that you should Women should train differently than men, or they can train the same?

They can train the same. I think it's just the difference is personality and preference. Women tend to have different personalities than men and different preferences to men. Within that framework, if you enjoy the workout, don't be afraid. If I was speaking to women, don't be afraid. They're scared to lift weights because of some absolute bullshit. Can I say bullshit? You just Yeah, well, there you go. Bullshit from social conditioning and stuff. Women are meant to lift weights just as much as men are going to lift weights. They're not going to get as big and muscular, generally speaking, because they have different hormones. Hormones are what dictate how much muscle and where your muscle is going to be placed. Women are going to have different strength levels and be able to put different levels of muscle on based on their hormones because men and women are different biologically, no matter what anyone says. They don't have to worry about putting on too much muscle or getting bulky or getting unattractive. Women can lift. I don't think that you need to have a different training program for men and for women.

What I believe, I think I'm a woman, is that- Who knows these days? Yeah, right? I think this. I think that women tend to... They gravitate more to cardiovascular exercises. Men gravitate a lot of times to more heavy strength training. It's a really hard transition for a lot of women. I deal with this. I'm a cardio junkie. Even though I know, psychologically... Actually, no. I know theoretically that lifting weights is way better for my overall health with bone density, muscle mass, my metabolism, the benefits, especially as you get older. But just because you know something, doesn't necessarily you act on that With men, men love to lift weights because they want to get swole, they want to get more muscular, blah, blah, blah. The funny thing is, it is actually very interesting because the women who actually do the strength training they will do the strength training and very little cardiovascular exercise tend to look the best. They tend to be more toned. They tend to look more fit because I cardio, especially high-intensity cardio, if you're doing for long bouts of time, it breaks down your muscle mass and it makes you look flabby.

It stimulates your appetite.

Well, I was going to say, and the other thing is it makes you really hungry. But even if we know that information to be true, a lot of times we still psychologically will do the alternative because it feels good in the moment. So this is something really about instant gratification versus delayed gratification. Because if you're someone who can do delayed gratification, definitely strength training. But for instant gratification, like getting that true dopamine hit, those endorphins going through the roof, it's cardio. And this is for me because I know for me, but I know for a lot of girls like myself, that's the issue. So I think it comes down to not so much even the training. Like, yes, men and women should train the same. But I think on a psychological spot, it's very different because where women go, they think, oh, my God, I want to be skinny. And if I want to be skinny, I have to do an hour at least, of cardio. But the funny thing is you'll actually get more body fat that way.

Long time, yeah.

Long term. You'll lose weight short term doing cardio, but not long term, because then your body becomes very used to doing that amount of cardio. Oh, yeah.

And you're breaking your metabolism.

Well, yeah. And then once your body becomes... It becomes your baseline, like, oh, your body's now accustomed to doing an hour of cardio, you'll plateau. And then to break that plateau, you'll have to do an hour and 20 minutes. And then also you get exhausted. Let's talk about the adrenaline so that you get burnt out on. So that's my personal belief system. But when you train people for women, for men, have you noticed yourself that the women who do the weights end up looking way better than the ones who do cardio?

Yeah. My training style for personal training, which I'm transitioning away from, but for personal training, I do half an hour sessions and I don't do cardio. And that's the same for men and women. I don't significantly change my training for men and women. A lot of what I have to do is break this conditioning that women have that they need to be on the treadmill for an hour a day and eat salads and salary and all this. It's just so much nonsense. Having been in the game for a long time, it just looks laughable to me, but it's very instructive to people.

But do you do heavy weight with women? If you're doing a 30 minutes session- I actually focus more on on lower body with women because women just tend to...

They also have more... Women tend to have more muscle relative to their body on their lower body than men. Men generally tend to be a bit more top heavy, and there's a reason for that. There's androgen receptors that men have because of testosterone, and there's a whole biochemistry behind that.

Well, tell me, what is it? You're saying men carry more weight?

Muscle.

More muscle, sorry. Upper body? Yes.

That's true. This is why a man can do a pull-up relatively easily, and a woman would have to train for a long time. Can you do pull-ups? Yeah, that's a great- You're one in what? One in 100, realistically.

That's actually very true. That's a very good point. So men have way more muscular strength upper body-wise. That's why pull-ups, they can rep them out. And women have more muscle on their lower body. That's why you see these men who are really swole. They've got these small little legs because they're not working their legs. But yeah, pull up. What I like to say, what I like to tell women all the time is they need to start working their upper body because they gravitate naturally to their lower body because number one, it's easier. It's an easier thing to do. It's easier to do a squat than to do a pull up. But here is the secret, guys and ladies. If you actually work your your upper body, you will look symmetrically way better. So if you are carrying more weight on your lower body, actually work your upper body more. Because if you have broader shoulders, your lower body looks way smaller and you get that V. So it's all about optical illusion and symmetrical training. So I train my upper body a lot. I have a big butt. I don't care about it. I'm not saying it's good or bad, not at whatever.

But because I have a big butt, I need to work my shoulders more or else I'll just look... What do you call it? Disproportion. Disproportion.

Yeah.

I mean, there's a- That's a trick that I just try it.

There you go. Well, Yeah, both. That's why I said at the beginning, I don't significantly train differently men and women. They're pretty similar. Everyone is going to train all their muscle groups. Everyone is going to lift weights, and there's going to It's really an element of cardio that is not excessive for both groups. But you do 30 minutes workouts? I do 30 minutes.

All the time?

For personal training? Yeah, for one-on-one. But I also teach boxing classes, which are an hour because you need some technique in there, too.

Also, it's good for your brain. When you're doing boxing or anything that has technique in it, it's good for your brain to be confused. Then your body doesn't get confused. That's another trick. If you have to think about things that are It will come naturally, it helps you with just your brainpower.

That's how you learn. It's through awkwardness. I say this to people all the time. If something feels awkward, especially when they first start boxing, it doesn't matter if you're boxing, dancing, whatever it is, playing guitar. Whenever you're doing something awkward, people are scared of that because we're like, Oh, we want to be good and we want to be polished and we want to be perfect, everything. That's not how learning works. Learning works. The awkwardness is where learning happens. That's the learning curve.

Yeah, I I agree. I also think for stuff like that, do what you love. If you're going to have to do... Because the truth is, to be holistically, when I say fit, I mean all of the things, strong, cardio, cardiovascularly, strength, mobility, flexibility. Do cardio that's fun. I like to dance. I'm bad at it. I'm the worst dancer.

I've seen you. I've seen you on TikTok.

I'm really not great. I mean, compared to my husband who's I'm literally a backstreet boy. It's embarrassing. And my daughter's a competitive dancer. I have two left feet. But my point is, things could be fun. Fitness can be fun. It has to be fun. It has to be fun. The biggest question or the biggest thing I always get people ask me is, what's the best thing to do? I always say the best thing to do is the thing that you'll actually do.

If I were to give one takeaway from today, it would be that. Fitness should be the thing that you're going to You have to do it a lot, and you're only going to do it a lot if you enjoy it. Our society loves to tell people to do shit they don't want to do. That's why people fail all the time. I mean, there are times you have to push through. There are definitely times where you're not in the mood. But I always say, think about how you're going to feel when you leave the workout, not when you get to that.

That's what I always say. Did you steal that from me? No. Great minds. Great minds, think alike. I love that. Okay, guys. I guess I'm takeaways from this episode would be women and men should train very similarly. It's more psychological than anything that women are much more gravitate to cardio. But a couple of great tips is if you are a woman, don't forget to train your upper body. If you also want for symmetrical, just for vanity purposes, having that symmetrical look, it helps with getting that V-shape taper. Do something that you actually like to do. The best exercise is the thing that you're actually to do versus what someone tells you to do. Doing things consistently. What else did we say? Short, you said you do... What are your tips is- Shorter, more intense workouts. Shorter, more intense workouts.

Don't drag us for one hour if you can go hard and go home in 30 minutes.

Don't drag ass for one hour. That's what Leroy says. That's not my wording. What else did we say? What are some other tips that we can give people to- For women, don't be afraid of weights. Don't be scared of them. People know that, but again, it's like, try to get over the fear of weights if you're a woman who's scared. If you want to be skinny, I think that's a mindset a lot of women have.

Can I add one thing on men and women? I think something I've noticed, and this is a bit more of a tangent, but men tend to wildly over-exaggerate what they think is attractive, what women think are as attractive. I don't know about men and men and women and women, but if a man wants to attract women, I'm assuming most people do, most men do, they tend to over-exaggerate how much muscle they need. I've found that most women are attracted to a soccer player type, which is reasonably muscled, but especially in America, some people would say it's skinny.

Look at David Beckham.

Right. Look at the guys who all the women want, and they're usually lean. They're not usually, I I believe in this dad bod thing. I think that's made up. But it's not even me. I'm probably too muscular for most- What's a dad bod, by the way?

Is it like having a beer belly?

I don't know. I'm a dad and this is my body. I know. Am I wrong?

You're a soccer player. If You're tuning your own horn. Most women like soccer player looks. Yeah, they do.

A dad bod is an excuse for letting yourself go.

I know. I'm just teasing you.

Fair enough. And women do the opposite in the same way on the other side, where they think you need to be rail thin. My friends are like, She's too skinny. She needs to eat. They say it all the time. And I think nowadays you get a lot of this plastic stuff. That's a whole new world with plastic buts and plastic faces. Guys do not find... I've seen so many women just go from a nine or whatever to a three because they just become fake.

That's a great topic.

It's a whole other thing, I think.

Let's talk about that. Okay, you guys have to listen to the next topic Because I mean, the next episode, because we're going to go into that. I think that's super true and fascinating. Okay, guys, remember, if you have not subscribed, please do. It helps us get traction. So we get better guests and we get better Better than me. Content. Yeah.

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