Steve-e-lain. Hello. Now you have a story- I do. -to tell to share with the nation? Yes. Does your grandmother... What's your grandmother's name again? Phyllis. Ruth.

Ruth.

Close.

Has.

She listened to your stories in the past? She has. Has she listened to my stories?

No.

Not as much. And not at all. Should we call her up on the telephone to tell her that you have a story? (phone ringing).

Who is this?

Hi, Grandma. It's Stevie.

Oh, I just said, New York. I almost wasn't going to take it. Okay, fine, honey. How are you doing?

I was just calling because I wanted to tell you that I'm hosting today's episode of Heavyweight.

Oh, and of course, you know what? I'll hear you better because I just came back from the audiologist. She fixed my hearing aid so I can hear a little better. Now, everybody who listens to you knows that we're.

Hearing aids. Oh, grandma. I think that most 95-year-olds have hearing aids.

Right now you told everyone how old I am. I was going to say I'm only 89, but okay, I've got to say 95.

I'm.

Sorry. No, I was only teasing you. I don't care. They don't know me. But they don't know I don't look my age. You'd have to tell them that.

Oh, yeah. For everyone listening, she does not look her age.

Good.

I'm Stevie Lane, and this is Heavyweight. Today is Heavyweight Short. Yes, sir.

I'm ready to hear it. Now, you may.

Right after the break.

Hello?

Hi, is this Yasir?

Yes, this is he.

Yasir is 28. He lives in Saudi Arabia and he's a dentist. I love going to the dentist, actually.

Oh, nice. I just do a floss.

Every day. And I have a water floss.

Wow, a plus-plus student.

I could talk about my oral hygiene all day. Cavities, zero. Gum recession, if anything, my gums are advancing. But we're not here to talk about my superior dental health. We're here to talk about Yasir and a cartoon he first encountered when he was a kid. Yasir hasn't seen it in 20 years because it's completely vanished. Yasir grew up in a small Saudi town. He loved cartoons. This was back before streaming, so his mom would go to the video store to buy VHS tapes for him. One day, when Yassir was about eight years old, she came home with a cartoon that changed his life.

The show is called Little Elephanto. It's about a family of elephants living in suburbia.

The elephant family was called the Boomills.

The father works in a company and he's always worried about his bonus. When is my boss going to give me my bonus?

The show was dubbed in Arabic. Yasar always assumed it was originally American.

The fact they're living in suburbia, that's very American. The father's financial woe is also American. Brown-nosing with the boss and trying to make him like him, that seems to me very American as well.

I take a fence at Yasar's assumption that all Americans are career-obsessed sick offense, but I just laugh politely. After all, I have an interview to finish, and I want to make my talented and intelligent boss, Jonathan Stewart, Goldstein proud. Maybe this year I'll finally get that bonus? The show quickly became a classic in Yassar's home. He and his brother would watch it every morning before school with a breakfast sandwich and a big cup of Nescafe. The star of the show was the baby elephant, Philo.

I was very young and still in diapers and has a teddy bear named Hong.

Philo and Hong would go on imaginary adventures together.

Philo was so magical to me. Whenever we would go on camping trips or desert.

Outings.

Every time we'd go, I would try to discover.

Something, a secret door.

A treasure like Philo.

Yassir loved the show because, like Philo, he was a kid with a big imagination, the kid who would pretend that animate objects were alive. He tells me about one time when he was driving down a bumpy road with a friend.

I was imagining the car going, What are you doing to me? Calm down. Slow.

But in Yassar's small town, he didn't feel like there was a lot of support for kids like him, kids who love drawing and making up stories.

I longed for a place to bring my creativity to light.

Pursuing a creative field didn't feel like an option for Yassir. When he got older, he chose a career that was practical and prestigious, dentistry. Now, a decade later, Yassir admits that he doesn't love it. He's always been this really imaginative person. But in his daily routine, he's not that excited by what he does. He spends his days looking at rows of teeth and checking gums. There's no sense of wonder like there was when he was a kid living in his imaginary world. He's nostalgic for that feeling and sees the cartoon as a portal. He knows that watching Philo would bring him right back to his childhood. The only problem is, Philo is gone.

I tried to find it everywhere. No one ever recognizes it. No one knows this show, aside from our family. It's so insane. It almost feels like a dream we had as a family.

It's as though Little Philo has been wiped from existence. Yasir has poured over media archives, has tried Googling elephant cartoon in every language he can think of. Once he even heard an actor's voice on TV and recognized him as one of the characters from the show.

I looked up the guy on Facebook and then I find him. I tell him about this show. He does not recognize it.

In a last ditch effort, Yasir made a drawing of the characters from memory: the dad in his bow tie and vest, the mom in her green ruffled house dress. He bought adspace on Instagram and posted the drawing to see if anyone could identify it. Nothing.

I keep thinking there must be some cartoon lunatic guy living in a basement that would instantly pick it up. But I just don't know. I'd be lunatic based on cartoon guys.

So you want to break it down with the maestro? Is that what this is about?

From Gimlet Media, he's Jonathan Goldstein. A host of most heavyweight episodes. I tell him about my conversation with Yasar and his beloved TV show about a family of elephants.

Can I stop you and ask a question? Please. This family of elephants is one of them wearing a crown?

I know what you're thinking. You're thinking Babar.

I'm thinking Babar.

I think it's Babar.

What? Who's Babar?

Babar is the elephant with a crown. But Yasir sent me the drawing he made, and it looks nothing like Babar or Babar.

Oh, now you're calling him Babar, huh?

I'm just trying to be... I want you over. I'm just trying to be agreeable.

Can you hear this? You ready?

Babar.

Oh-oh, I think you're right.

I mean... You were right. I knew I was right. I just didn't have to... Let's see.

One more. One more. Hang on. Here it comes. Babar. Oh, did you hear that?

Babar. Okay, so you're going to take what sounds like a barely literate child and use that over...

Who would know better? Who would know better than a try? -babar. -babar. Okay, so let's just say we're both right.

While Jonathan says he isn't the basement dweller I seek, he does know just the guy.

He has a very quick mind, very quick on his toes, fleet of foot and fleet of mouth. It's like everything that he says sounds like it could be scored to fly to the bumblebee. Does that make sense? Not really. Not really. You'll see what I'm talking about.

Hi, Stevie. How are you?

This is Howard, and Jonathan was right. Talking to Howard feels like clinging to an electric fence. Here's what he says when I send him Yassir's drawing.

They actually look like elephant seals. Holy shit. If they're elephant seals, they would have flippers. They're definitely the most evil animals on the planet, I think. Male elephant seals. They smother their babies to death. What? Dolphins are also not the nicest. I love dolphins so much, but they're really mean. They're mean to sharks.

Howard is a cartoonist himself and has an extensive knowledge of all things animation. I tell him all about the Boomill family and some of the other characters like the janitor elephant with a cigarette butt hanging out of her mouth.

That changes a lot. Then it's most likely not an American or Canadian kid series because they would never put a cigarette in the mouth, especially if it was late '90s, early 2000s.

Oh, that's a.

Good point. I'm going to find this. Filo Elefanto, little elephant. I'm obsessed with this now.

I expect to hang up and get a call from Howard in a few days with the answer. Instead, he launches into his investigation right then and there. With a dizzying speed, he turns to Wikipedia.

Elifon, Filo, Camp Lazio, Chico Bonbon, Edward and friends, Ballad, Elephant, Edward and Friends, let's see what that is. Claymation, now, see? Jungle Cubs, Kirion, no, I know it's not. It's Kirion, the jungle junction. Also, to Lulu's Islands. While I'm searching, we can have all kinds of discussions about other things, spaghetti, Here, philu. Are you taking a tart? Tarzan. You're not talking about Tart. No, sorry. Yonaki Ma, Ho-Tontour. Tontour is Elephant in Tarzhan, San-Eleventures. Remember that? Tontour, Elephant? Magic adventures of Mumphy. Mary-bubb. So Nelly sound right. My big, big friend. Nelly the elephant, Oggy and the cockroaches. Becme, Poko-Yoh. What's this? Poko-yoh. One's called Nelly. Nelly. No, sorry, Nelly the elephant. Where did I say Mumphy? Can I say Mumphy? Oh, I found it. I found it. What? Are you serious? Hold on one second. He's holding a teddy bear. This has got to be him. It's all in Arabic. It's a little baby elephant and he's holding a teddy bear.

A teddy bear? My heart soars.

And the teddy bear is like a panda.

And sinks. In Yassir's drawing, the teddy bear is not a panda. It turns out all Howard has found is a book called The Elephant Learns to Share about an angry elephant who keeps everything for himself. It was never adapted into a TV show, which is probably why the elephant is so angry. After Howard's failure, I lose faith in guys in basements everywhere. I need a professional, one who dwells above ground. I call Rameen Zaheed, Editor-in-Chief of animation magazine, and send him Yesr's drawing. He'll post it to the magazine's Facebook page, which has hundreds of thousands of followers. A few days later, I get an email. Stevie! We found it! At the bottom of the email, there's a YouTube link to an animated show about a family of elephants. Many of the details match up with what Yasar had told me about Philo, right down to the little kid elephant with a teddy bear. And it's in Arabic. Arabic. I don't speak Arabic, but I feel like I can hear them saying Philo. Surely, this must be it. I am 90% sure this is not it. This naysayer is my producer, Mona. She speaks Arabic, so I ask her to take a look at the clip.

She says there are a number of differences between this show and what Yasar described. For one, the baby elephant isn't named philo. That's just a way of saying elephant in Arabic. This show is extremely boring, I would say. That's my strongest reason that I don't think this is it. Yasir described a magical show where Philo went on fantastical adventures. The episode of this show that Mona watched was about watering a Neighbor's Plants. Hat in hand, I returned to the maestro to see if he has any ideas.

Is it not possible or even likely that he and his family have conflated a couple of different cartoons into one?

Is it? I look at Yasir's drawing again, and this time I noticed that the elephants don't even really look like elephants. Their trunks are scrunched and wrinkled, much more like snouts. They look a bit like Elf, drawn in the style of Maurice Sendak. Over the next few months, my luck in finding Philo doesn't improve. I reach out to the Museum of the Moving Image, the UCLA Film Archive, the Paley Media Center. I speak to a professor of animation at a Saudi Arabian University. I do a reverse image search on Yasr's drawing. I even wait on hold for three hours on a live Colin radio show whose prompt that week, as luck would have it, is for movies and TV shows that people can't quite remember the names of. But everyone just says the same thing.

The.

Only elephant.

Family I.

Can think of is.

Babar, the elephant.

You.

Know Babar? Babar was very famous. Maybe I'm just.

Confusing it with Babar.

People are saying Babar. Babar, it's pretty close.

Somebody said Babar.

There was something with elephants. Are you thinking of Babar? Yes, I'm thinking of Babar. Okay, it's not Babar. I got to tell you, yes, sir. At this point, I'm starting to doubt your memory a little bit.

I'm starting to doubt my own memory.

Are you?

Sometimes, yeah. I'm like, did I actually imagine this show or is it a real thing that existed at one point?

An answer to that question after the break. Hi, yes, sir. Hello. Can I play you something? Okay. Okay. Ha-ha.

Oh, my God. No way.

That's the intro. You recognize it? Oh, no. That's it. Oh, my God. That's it.

You found it.

We found it. Here's how we found it. As a last resort, I posted Yasr's drawing from the Heavyweight Twitter account and asked for help. A man named Simon in responded, I found your show, he said. I wasn't hopeful. How many times did I already heard those very same words? From Howard, from Amin, from anyone and everyone who's ever seen Babar. But Simon sent a YouTube link to a German cartoon called Otter's Otyfanton, and the characters looked exactly like the ones in Yassir's drawing. As it turns out, Simon didn't even have to be one of those lunatic basement cartoon guys because in Germany, the Otyfants are famous. They're on lunchboxes and in video games. There's a whole museum dedicated to them. Simon told me anyone on the street would have recognized Yassir's drawing. Then, in my own Wikipedia frenzy, I learned that the characters were created by a famous German comedian named Otto Waggas. He's like a German Robin Williams. If you ever move to watch the movie Ice Age in German, he's the voice of Cid the Sloth.

Hello, this is Otto.

I called Otto at his home in Fort Lauderdale to find out more about the Audifon. It was easy to imagine how he made a famous cartoon character because he's basically a cartoon character himself.

I have a studio up in the first floor here with a little diving board. From there, I can jump in my pool.

No. Are you serious?

Yes, I love it.

If talking to Howard was like clinging to an electric fence, talking to Otto was like trying to catch a super, bouncing ball in a room full of trampolines. When I tried to ask him about Yaster's favorite episode-.

That's my favorite..

And then, without warning, he suddenly became the Grinch.

I'm going to to tear Christmas.

Before whippin' out a guitar.

Blackbird singing The.

Death of night. I wonder like- A bone under.

A wandering star. I wonder if you- I'm born under a wandering star.

Shut up. I wonder if you... You know, it's funny like when you.

Say- Can't be a dog.

When.

You said that. The dog. Only… shut up. Only you. Shut up. When I.

Finally was able to squeeze in a question about the O-D-Fence, Otto told me he's been drawing them ever since he was a child. It all started one day in school. When Otto was doodling at his desk, he tried to draw a self-portrait.

It was a total failure. I changed the eyes a little bit, extended the nose a little bit and the legs, and made it a little elephant. They call it Otifant.

Otifant, a mash-up word of Otto, an elephant. Otto based the Bowmill family on his own. The character, Philo, who in Germany is named Baby Bruno, was meant to be Otto himself.

I have my little teddy bear. This guy, I call him Hong, because it was made in Hong Kong. That's why I call him Hong.

Growing up in post-war Germany, Otto's family didn't have a lot of money for paint and paper, so he'd make drawings on the backs of wallpaper scraps. I showed Otto the drawing Yassar made of his autofence, and Otto was delighted. He asked me to record a message.

Yassar, when you're here in America, in Fort Lauderdale, you got to visit me. I have a diving board. We can talk about baby Bruno and we can draw. I saw your drawing and they were really excellent. I'm looking forward to meeting you holiday evening. I can yodel. I can bark. I do anything for you. Okay?

Oh, my God.

Wow. Back on the phone with Yassir, we debrief about the creator of his favorite TV show. He and Otto were similar kids, always drawing, always imagining. They both identified with Philo. Yet, Otter's life went one way towards a career in the arts, while Yassir's went another. That's the thing Yassir is particularly fixated on, how Otter stayed true to his childhood passion followed his dream of being an artist.

It's awe-inspiring. I wonder when he made that decision and how did it affect his life. Did he have to break up with someone? Did he have trouble in his household? Was it a good decision or did he regret it?

It feels like these are questions is asking himself rather than Otto. Maybe questions he's been asking himself for a long time, questions he's still asking.

I think that no matter how old you get, no matter what position in life you're in, there's always the question of, Who am I and what purpose do I fulfill? I just always never really feel sure of what I'm doing. In my work, sometimes I'm like, What do I want out of this? What's purpose? I think that we're always in search of our truest self.

It turns out there's a reason Yasir is reflecting so much on his life. Because, Yasir tells me, he and his wife just found out that they're having a baby. Oh, Yasir, I'm so happy for you.

Thank you.

Yasir might still have questions about his truest self, but when it comes to his future child, there's one thing he knows for sure. Yasir wants something different for his kid than what he had. He says that if his kid enjoys making art as much as he did, he's going to encourage that in any way he can. Or even.

If they're not artistic and just are crazy about math and robotics or whatever, I'll try my best to support that. A few.

Weeks after we talk, Yassah receives a package from Germany. It's full of autifent and swag, sent by Otto to his number one fan in Saudi Arabia. There's a hat, a T-shirt, a tote bag, and a little stuffed animal, Otifent. Yassar says he's going to give it to his baby, his own little philo. This Heavy Weight Short was produced by Mohini, McGauker, and me, Stevie Lane, along with Phoebe Flanagan. Our executive producer is Jonathan Goldstein. Our senior producer is Kallila Holt. Special thanks to Dr. Mohamed Gazala, Pia Gudkari, Bobby Lord, and Tom Sharpling over at The Best Show. Editorial guidance from Emily Kandin. Bobby Lord mixed the episode with original music by Christine Fellows, John K. Samson, Blue Dot Sessions, and Bobby Lord. Additional music credits can be found on our website, gimletmedia. Com/heavyweight. Our theme song is by The Weaker Thans, courtesy of Epitaph Records. Heavyweight is a Spotify original podcast. Follow us on Twitter @heavyweight, Instagram @Hevyweight Podcast, or email us @heavyweight@gimletmedia. Com. You can also follow our show on Spotify and tap the bell to receive notifications when new episodes drop. Speaking of new episodes, we'll be back with a brand new one next week.