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When the plane landed, I think it was the first time I ever felt like, Why are we doing this? Here are details from their 14-year prison sentence and what it was like to go head to head against El Chapo in court. It was so ugly to be in that courtroom. I'm sick to my stomach. Survive or no trouble. Listen to Season 2. On iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get podcasts. Before we get started, you should know this show has some explicit content, not for the faint of heart. So don't say you haven't been warned. It's a spring day in 1983. A car joins the crash of traffic on the 101 heading west. The passengers sit silent. They have a solemn job ahead of them. In the passenger seat is Anne Ramus, clutching a small plastic bag. In the back seat is Anne's young daughter, Violet. Behind the wheel is screenwriter Rod Falkiner. So on the way out to Malibu, we were driving out the 101, and Violet, who didn't know what was going on, of course. She knew Peter was dead, possibly, but she didn't really know we were carrying ashes or anything like that.

The plastic bag contains some of Peter's ashes. Lucy Fisher has some, too, as does Peter's mother, Merle. The silence in the car is deafening. Violet Ramus is seven years old at this point. In that way that kids sometimes do, she senses the heaviness of the moment. She started singing just rather spontaneously and very with a beautiful tonality. And she sang Streets of Loreto. As I walked out on the streets of the streets of Loreto. The streets of Loreto was a song that I had learned at school, which is a very depressing song about a cowboy that dies. I spied a young cowboy wrapped all in white linen. The song feels right to Violet. She knows something bad has happened, even if she doesn't know exactly what it is. To her, the song is about Peter. She was our cowboy. We all loved our cowboy, so brave, young, and handsome. That was the lyric, and he was that. Like he was everybody's hero. And I had never really listened to the words of Streets of Laredo. I spy a young cowboy dressed in white linen, dressed in white linen and cold as the clay. Beat the drum slowly and play the five slowly and play the death March as you carry me along.

Take me to the valley and lay the sod or me. I'm a young cowboy and know I've done wrong. Anyway, it was a perfectly chosen song. It was this intuitive insight. So we went up to the mountain somewhere. I don't exactly remember where with Peter's Ashes. And it was a very solemn group of people, and somebody was saying some words. And then the bag fell into the river. That's Anne Ramus. The idea was to scatter the ashes into the river, but my mom just tossed her baggy into the water. And I felt terrible because there was ghosts floating this plastic bag filled with his ashes down the river. And there was the ziplock bag floating down the river. And maybe that baggy is still somewhere. And Rod said Peter would have loved it. I'm a young cow boy and no, I've gone wrong. Looking back, Peter's death was one of the moments that signaled the end of an era in L. A. The culture was changing. There were monumental changes that took place. The overall punk scene moves from this very niche underground sound to a more mainstream sound, especially through the subgenres that come up.

Here's journalist, Stefani Mendoz. Now you have thousands of people showing up and selling out these large venues to see big punk bands. So by the time Peter Ivers dies in 1983, the punk scene is dramatically different from the scene of 1977 because punk becomes bigger in L. A, there are bigger shows. There is a bigger scene. It's a familiar story. The underground gets cool, then goes Supernova, and a new underground forms in its wake, a never ending cycle. And it wasn't just happening in the punk scene. Film was changing too, becoming more about Blockbusters than art. The hip, edgy comedy of Saturday Night Live was going mainstream. The artsy culture of L. A. Was becoming more and more about money. Cha-ching. I remember driving on the Sunset Strip, and I looked up at the whiskey marquis, and it said, The Knack. And I said, Oh, God, we're screwed. That meant New Wave was getting a foothold and probably going to push punk right out the window. It was all a little less cool and a lot less interesting, to be honest. But it wasn't just the music that was changing. Peter's death cast an ominous shadow over the scene.

For those of us who knew him, our Who gives a Shit party days were over. My best friend was dead. I had no one to count on after that. It felt like a black cloud had settled down. The impact of Peter's death rippled through the scene in numerous ways. The final episode of New Wave Theater was left unfinished. Friends, lovers, and collaborators confronted a huge void in their lives. And worst of all, we carried with us the unsettling suspicion that the person responsible for his death might be someone we knew and trusted. I'm Penelope Speris, and this is Peter and the Acid King. Copilot provides dedicated fitness coaching, nutrition guidance, personalized workouts, and progress tracking through an easy to use app. But most importantly, a real human expert is available to guide you. I just started my copilot journey, and I'm obsessed. I met with my trainer, Brooke, and she could not be more helpful. We talked about my fitness goals, and she created a custom workout plan that fit perfectly into my life that could be done at home or in the gym. My coach made sure to take into account a recent injury I had and made sure to tailor my workout to strengthen that muscle.

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On this podcast, you're going to hear it told by one of America's greatest storytellers. Well, ask who had the motive to assassinate a sitting president. My dad thought JFK screwed us at the Bay of Pigs, and then he screwed us after the Cuban missile crisis. We'll reveal why Lee Harvey Oswald isn't who they said he was. I was under the impression that Lee was being trained for a specific operation. Then we'll pull the curtain back on the cover up. The American people need to know the truth. Listen to Who Killed JFK on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Peter had a tendency to draw people into his orbit. Maybe that's why so many of his friends went to his loft the day he died. They were following Peter's gravitational pull. There are many who legitimately considered Peter their best friend and felt bound to him forever. John Leone was one of Peter's oldest friends. He's the guy who stumbled on Peter playing harmonica in the tunnels under Harvard. He's also a writer. So when L. A. Weekly asked John to write a tribute to Peter, he was honored. We asked John to read some of that tribute for us.

The early symptoms of group shock have set in. The world is more intense, colors brighter, objects loom and pass. There were many golden hours with me and dozens of others, passed contentedly in Peter's presence in Cambridge and Berkeley in New York or Boston. In the 17th years, I knew him. We sang at the piano, smoked dope, worked on songs, lyrics, music. We philosophized, exchanged show business, chord gossip, framed our problems as jokes, encouraged and laughed at each other. Peter said he hung out for a living. From these good hours came music for 14 plays at Harvard, a degree in classics, Virtuosity on the Harmonica, three albums, several hundred songs, soundtracks for a television show and two movies, an underground television celebrity and modern pop icon status. Pop icon might be a stretch, but we love Peter so much that we'll give it to him. In the moments after Peter's death, shock rolled through everyone in his circle, one by one. And then the fact swoops by, chills past down the spine, the body moves, the head rises. The tears swell. Friends touch blindly by telephone, go to bars, silent before the unspeakable. I had the same dream last night.

The one white and the big house. Peter's memorial was held the Sunday after he died at the Leo Beck Temple in West L. A. 300 people attended. The L. A. Times ran an obituary titled A Death of Innocence. It read, quote, Los Angeles lost one of the few links between its underground art community and the aboveground entertainment establishment. It also lost one of its most colorful characters. End quote. All kinds of people showed up to pay their respects. Here's Stuart Kornfelt, a film producer and a mutual friend of ours. I was an usher at the Memorial Service in L. A. And I'll just tell you, I'm like in bat with the other ushers. And Mark Canton, who was head of production at Warner Brothers, and Mark is telling everybody, Okay, you do this and you take that door and you walk into this place and Harold Ramus says, Hey, who died and left you in charge? Filmmaker Malcolm Leone must not have heard Ramus's joke because he thought the whole thing was too somber, not light and sweet like Peter was. It was almost a bit too religious. And John Leone could have done without the Hollywood types, which I can definitely relate to.

I went to only for a few minutes because I really resented what happened for Peter's memorial. It was a bunch of people who didn't know him very well. It was mostly Hollywood people. What brought these people together was their love for Peter, and each of them paid tribute in their own way. Franny Gildy, Peter's songwriting partner, played music at the service. We put together a band, like a band, and I played keyboards and everybody participated. They performed Writing on the Wings of Love, a song that she and Peter wrote together. I think it spoke to the moment, but it was, Writing on the Wings of love, writing on the wings, writing on the Wings of desire, fire, riding on the wings of love, writing on the Wings of fire. Sweet mystery came into me. Yeah, it was a really good lyric, and I think it spoke to the moment. Johanna Wendt attended the memorial as well. I mean, when I think about it now, I could almost cry. I went with Shirley Clark, and Shirley didn't know Peter really well, but she had met him and talked to him about New Way Theater because I'd been working with Shirley and Peter was interested in Shirley.

Franny's band starts to play. When they played that song, she just wept. Just could not stop weeping. She really wept out loud, and people looked at her and she just said, People, they don't know how to show their grief. She said, What's wrong with these people? How can they just sit there? That's what she said to me afterwards. She goes, How can they just sit there? Some people were there that day to grieve. Others were seeking solace. But those feelings were tangled up with something else, suspicion. Here's Stuart Kornfield again. Everybody was looking for answers. And what was weird was everybody was pointing fingers in the other direction. The movie people thought the punks did it. The punks thought that the movie people did it. It was just fucking crazy. The way it turns out is you're sitting there going like, Who killed my best friend? Yeah. And you're doing that like for years. That's tequila, Mockingbird, punk scene-ster, extraordinary. 30 years of me going, Was it this person? Or could it be that person? You never knew. You didn't know who your friends really were. Point is, the whole scene was on high alert.

Fear was running rampant. Everyone was a suspect. It's very hard to describe how it put a cloud of negativity and paranoia and mistrust. People started suddenly looking around over their shoulder a lot more, and it brought the party to an end. I didn't want to see any of these people. I think one other person at that point who'd been actually murdered in the punk scene, and it was Jane, who was Rick Wilder's girlfriend that had been killed by the Hillside's strangler. That's pleasant, Gayman. She knew Peter from the punk scene. I mean, people had died in car accidents or there was a few ODs, but I think the only other murder was that. But that was also by a known serial killer. This was just different because it was just like, who would murder him? He was so innocuous. We had lost people close to us before. Balochie, Doug Kenney, Darby crash. Drugs destroyed some of the best minds of my generation. But a murder was way different. It was violence on top of tragedy. Here's musician Russell Buddy-Helm talking about it. He's playing the drums while he talks. I've gone through a lot of deaths, a lot of violent deaths in music and film business.

When Dwayne died, that was rough. He's referring to Dwayne Alman from the Alman Brothers. He died in a motorcycle accident in 1971. And then when Tim Buckley was murdered, that was also very rough. When Peter died, just as bad. Just as bad. Because there was like, What am I doing? All these people that I've worked with intensely, creatively, were violent death. So it was like, I couldn't figure out where I belong because basically people were getting shot out from underneath me. Peter's death was like turning on the lights at the zero. Suddenly, you saw everything you could ignore in the dark, including yourself. There was already a great day of nihilism and a sense of everything's ending. And this is like the last party feeling. This is like the celebration of the end of the world was the of that whole scene. That's Nicholas Schreck. You heard him talk about The Occult a few episodes ago. He knows about darkness. Like tomorrow, there'll be some catastrophe or inferno coming and live it up now. That was the sense of it. And the murder just made that not fun anymore. It made it very real and made it like somebody here is a killer.

Bob Forrest agrees. It just was like a light and all of a sudden, and we had already had a couple of people die of drugs, but to be murdered, it was like, Holy fuck, there had to be somebody we know. Somebody we know murdered Peter Ivers. The one thing that I can attest to with complete assurity is what his murder did to the downtown art scene. And that caused it to come to a screeching halt and realized that the innocence was over, that all of this fun that we were having and this I can live forever and bullets can go right through me and we can do anything. That stopped. That was a very sobering event. That last voice is Stephen Seymire. He's an artist. I mean, none of us had been murdered. None of us had had foul play like that. We'd had our cars broken into, our studios broken into. We might have been harassed downtown by various people, but nothing on a level of murder had happened. So for a while there it was like everyone felt like they suddenly grew up and it changed everything. It was like a milestone. That was it.

For Alan Sachs, Peter's death was a turning point. Peter's death was the signal for me to leave this scene. By day, I was where I was producing TV movies. By night, I was sitting in David Jove's cave. He went to the cave a few more times, but he found himself going there less and less. Eventually, he stopped altogether. I stopped drinking. I stopped using any drugs. That was a big change. I didn't want to be part of it anymore, and yet drugs and alcohol was very prevalent in there. That signaled me that I had to go somewhere else. For him, that somewhere else was AA. The reason that the Alcoholics Anonymous Program works is because they say you got to go to a meeting a day the first year. If you surround yourself with other recovered alcoholics, then it's safe. But if they're still drinking, it's not. Simple as that. There was a meeting in AA on Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills, and you would go there on a Friday night and there were 200 people sitting around. And several of them part of the cave scene. A lot of people went in that direction.

Bob Forrest went even further. He went from playing in bands like Thelonious Monster and enjoying the drugs and parties that entailed to becoming a world-renowned addiction counselor. And for that, I take my hat off to him. Andrew was at an age where he was experimenting with cold water therapy, and Andrew was also at an age where he was experimenting with manscaping. So when he discovered he could save up to 40 % in the Amazon Black Friday week. He got a brawn IPL hair removal device, and now he's sharing his silky, smooth dad bod with his friends at the Cold Water Plunge. Share the joy this Amazon Black Friday week with up to 40 % off ends midnight while stocks last. The assassination of President John F. Kennedy is the greatest murder mystery in American history. That's Rob Reiner. Rob called me, Soledad O'Brien, and asked me what I knew about this crime. I know 60 years later, new leads are still emerging. To me, an award-winning journalist, that's the making of an incredible story. On this podcast, you're going to hear it told by one of America's greatest storytellers, will ask who had the motive to assassinate a sitting president.

My dad thought of JFK, screwed us at the Bay of Pigs, and then he screwed us after the Cuban missile crisis. We'll reveal why Lee Harvey Oswalt isn't who they said he was. I was under the impression that Lee was being trained for a specific operation. Then we'll pull the curtain back on the cover up. The American people need to know the truth. Listen to Who Killed JFK on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Curtis, St. Jackson. I'm Charley Webster. The podcast of Ivan El Chappaqua: The Twins Who Brought Down a drug lord, returns for a second season and picks right back up with Pete and taking their first steps on US soil after turning themselves in to the US government. When the plane landed, I think it was the first time I ever felt like, Why are we doing this? You'll hear details from the twin's 14-year prison sentence and what it was like to go head to head against El Chapo in court. It was so ugly to be in a courtroom. I'm anxious and I'm worried and I'm sick to my stomach. No matter what, whenever I turn my eyes, you're still staring at me.

Join 50 and I as we bring you the epic conclusion of this podcast. We'll bring you right up to date as the consequences of the twins decisions now falls on their wives. Viviana and I are looking up to 10 years in prison, and that's a real number. Survive in El Chapel. Listen to Season 2. On iHeart Radio app. Apple Podcast or wherever you get podcasts. One person who did not attend Peter's service was David Jove. Instead, Jove hosted his own thing for Peter. Kenyaz was there. David threw a memorial service for him in a room next to the whiskey on sunset. David was appropriately upset, but there was clearly something going on. There was something amiss about the whole thing. Funerals are for the living. They're supposed to give us closure. But after the memorial, after Peter's ashes went floating down the river, and after we all went back to our everyday lives, there was still no closure. One person who wasn't willing to stand for that was Lucy Fisher. Although she and Peter were separated, they were still deeply connected. And so she decided to take things into her own hands. Lucy and Mark Canton and I all put up, it sounds like a small amount now, but we put up $10,000 reward at that time.

That's Rod Falciner again, Peter's screenwriting partner. By the way, $10,000 back then is $30,000 in today's money. Lucy hired a private detective. The cops never really… I don't know. They never really came up with anything. In the absence of any clear answers, people in the scene start speculating, and it's not long before theories begin to emerge. Peter owed 25,000 to a Samoan drug gang based in Redwood City, and that they were likely would have killed him for the death. Peter was messing around with many, many women in the Beverly Hills area. I got a phone call saying, You're next. And I said, Come on over. I'm waiting for you. But that's for the next episode. See you then. Peter and the Acid King is based on interviews recorded and researched by Alan Sachs. It's produced by Imagine Audio, Alan Sachs Productions, and awfully nice for iHeartMedia. I'm your host, Penelpie Speris. The series is written by Caitlin Fontana. Peter and the Acid King is produced by Amber von Chassin. The senior producer is Caitlin Fontana, and the supervising producer is John Assante. Our project manager is Katie Hodges. Our executive producers are Ron Howard, Brian Grazer, Kara Wellker, Nathan Cloake, Alan Sachs, Jesse Burton, and Katie Hodges.

The associate producers are Laura Schwartz, Dylan Cainridge, and Chris Statu. Co-producer on behalf of Shout Studios, Bob Emer. Sound design and mix by Evan Arnett. Fact-checking by Catherine Barner; original music composed by Alloy Tracks; music clearances by Barbara Hall; voice-over recording by Voice Tracks West; show artwork by Michael Deere. Special thanks to Annette Vanurin. Thank you for listening. Andrew was at an age where he was experimenting with cold water therapy. Oh! And Andrew was also at an age where he was experimenting with manscaping. So when he discovered he could save up to 40 % in the Amazon Black Friday week, he got a Brawn IPL hair removal device, and now he's sharing his silky smooth dad board with his friends at the Cold Water Plunge. Share the joy this Amazon Black Friday week with up to 40 % off ends midnight while stocks last. The assassination of President John F. Kennedy is the greatest murder mystery in American history. That's Rob Reiner. Rob called me, sold it at O'Brien, and asked me what I knew about this crime. We'll ask who had the motive to assassinate a sitting president. Then we'll pull the curtain back on the cover up.

The American people need to know the truth. Listen to Who Killed JFK on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Curtis Finney, St. Jackson. I'm Charlie Webster. The podcast, Surviving El Chapo: The twins who brought down a drug lord, returns for a second season and picks right back up with Pete and Jay Flores taking their first steps on US soil after turning themselves into the US government. When the plane landed, I think it was the first time I ever felt like, Why are we doing this? Here details from their 14-year prison sentence and what it was like to go head to head against El Chapo in court. It was so ugly to be in a courtroom. I'm sick to my stomach. Survive El Chapo. Listen to Season 2. On iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get podcasts.