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Hey, it's Allen, back with another content warning. I didn't think this episode was so bad. Not sure what everybody's worried about, but it may not be your cup of tea, so listen to discretion is advised. I am on call for the city, so if anything major or significant arises, I'll have to excuse myself in the middle, so I apologize in advance. All right, appreciate that. I also really appreciate you coming down here today and talking to us. Thank you. It's nice to be here. Thank you. Yeah, thanks. We're going to talk about what you have, what's been on record, and you finally have the book, which is a… I do. It was a little trek trying to locate it. From 1983, this book has been through several hands already.

This is Martin Moharow. He's a detective in the LAPD's homicide division. He's sitting across from Alan Sachs in a conference room back in 2018.

I was just having a difficult time locating the actual files. Simply because so many hands have touched it and so many detectives have looked at it, sometimes we lose track of where they actually leave it. To me, it's pretty emotional because I know Peter, but I also know the story andthe story is always... It's a story. But when I see this and it says Peter Ivers' murder book, that's real, man. That's- That could be- That's freaking real.

Alan's in shock. Since he became obsessed with Peter Ivers' death, one piece of the puzzle has been missing. This case file. The cops have labeled it the Peter Iver's Murder Book. How depressing is that? It's incredible that Detective Mulhoro even has it. The book has been missing for decades until somehow he found it.

This contains the entire case, the entire investigation. Everything is documented.

Beginning-answers to all our questions about Peter's death could be in that book. But don't get too excited because Detective Mulhoro won't let Alan see it. Peter's murder is still an open investigation. In fact, the LAPD reopened the case in 2008. Thanks to author Josh Frank's book about Peter, In heaven, everything is fine. Anyway, Detective Moharrow has agreed to let Alan ask him some questions like, Did they find any prints at the crime scene?

There was a fingerprint investigation conducted, and that's typical of all homicides. That's one of the first things we do is try and fingerprint anything that looks obvious. I cannot say if we did or didn't find any, but we did follow up on that.

Oh, that's really helpful. Even though the case is an old one, there's still reason to believe it could be solved. A lot has changed in the years since Peter died. In 1983, DNA tests weren't widely available. They wouldn't be used in court until 1986. But Detective Moharow confirms that the investigators did eventually test evidence for DNA.

I could only say that we, in part of revisiting this case, that was part of the process that we tested for DNA. I can't tell you what the results were either way.

Then before Allen can ask a follow-up question, Detective Moharow gets a call.

I apologize. I'm just going to return one message. I just got a call as we spoke. I'm just checking in. Okay. Oh, no, I do have to go. I apologize. I will have to go. I apologize. Okay. I think it's a little bit short. There's an officer involved shooting. Hey, Greg, I just got the message. I apologize for that. Are you heading out there? I'm heading out. Green Owen's mouth. Wow. Give me the cross again? Big Green Owen's mouth. All right, I appreciate it. All right, thanks. Bye.

I guess this is how it is when you're a cop. One minute you're talking about a cult case, the next year off on a hot one.

It's going to be all over the news. There's a stolen car, a little chase, and the suspect and the officer is shot out. An officer was hit, but I think he may be okay. Oh, my God. That's why I got.

To run out. And he does. And unfortunately, he takes the case file with him, leaving Alan and us with that same old question. Who killed Peter Ivers? Without straight answers from the cops, a lot of theories have sprung up over the years about who might have killed Peter and why.

Peter had friends and some enemies in the punk scene. Thanks to New Wave Theater. He had Hollywood and comedy friends and lots of women friends, some who were maybe more than friends. He had recently moved from the safety of Laurel Canyon to downtown Los Angeles. After Peter died, theories about what happened to him cropped up everywhere. The cops who investigated Peter's murder seemed to have concluded that Peter was just some poor, maybe queer, starving artist who lived in the wrong place and paid the price for it.

But there's more to the story. Money, drugs, robbery, love, heartbreak, jealousy, punks, sleazy Hollywood types, and Samoan drug gangs. Today, we're going to run down the theories of the case, some wild and others that may hit closer to home. I'm Penelope Cereis, and this is Peter and the Acid King.

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Peter was friends with a lot of Hollywood big shots, but he never really made it himself. Towards the end of his life, he struggled financially. One of the reasons he moved downtown was because of the cheap rent. Peter's money problems coincided with some other changes in his behavior. To some of Peter's closest friends, he seemed different, a little lost, and more into drugs. Here's John Leone, Peter's Harvard buddy.

He often came to my house, I mean, often once a month, and he'd get high and pass out and stuff like that. I was always worried about Peter in the last couple of years of his life because he was too high and he was hanging out with people that I didn't trust.

All of this leads to the first theory about why Peter might have been killed. I'll let Alan explain.

There was a rumor that Peter had gotten into dealing drugs, so some people speculated that he was killed over a drug debt. Allegedly, Peter's supplier was a gang from Northern California, and Peter's death was punishment for not paying up. Among his other bad virtues was stiffing people on drug deals.

That's Ed Oaks. He's one of the people who believes the Samoan drug gang theory.

Peter owed $25,000 on a drug deal that went bad to a Samoan gang from Redwood City.

Some other people agree, like Peter Rayfelson, although his version of the story is a bit different.

There was a rumor and a theory that Peter had been working with the Seaks and doing one of the largest drug deals of the time with MDMA from up north. I can't remember. He may have shown me a massive bag of pills at some point. I definitely never saw Peter dealing pills or doing any hard drugs. Blook came out. I never saw Peter touch it. I did. Also, Samoan drug gang, Seek drug gang, it doesn't make sense. Come on, take it all with a grain of salt.

Anyway, if you recall the day before Peter died, he picked up a big check for a screenplay he wrote. He was going to use that money to pay off his debt. But then he left the money in Rafelson's car and lost it. That's what Rafelson says, anyway.

I didn't know the details, but something was going on, and potentially there was pressure to pay people money, and that money that he had, he was feeling probably very relieved that it could have saved his situation and maybe his life. And the day he gets it and then he loses it and then it all goes downhill and then the guy winds up dead that night. These things, I don't think these are all coincidences.

Part of the reason the drugs theory seems possible is because of where Peter was living when he died. Essentially, a squat, a loft downtown. Here's Gary Blazy, an expert of that time in downtown L. A. 'S history.

I would say in 1982, '83, there was really a real transition point in what.

Was happening.

Particularly in Skid Row. Basically, the number of people on the streets really exploded in between '82 and '84. I mean, triples, quadrupled, something like that. Skid Row was basically being populated from people who were driven out of South Central by economic disasters that had befallen manufacturing industry in South L. A. This also overlaid with the time that the crack cocaine epidemic was spreading. There were addicts on Skidro, the alcoholics, drug users of various kinds.

Either way, this is all speculation. Yeah, Peter liked to smoke pot, and maybe he was smoking too much, like John Leone said. But he wasn't known to do hard drugs. I never saw him do any. And there's little evidence that he was dealing, at least that we could find. But the location of Peter's Lof, near Skid Row, leads us to the second theory about why Peter was killed. It's the theory the cops themselves eventually gravitated towards, which brings us back to Detective Mohiro. After he ran out on the first interview, Allen eventually tracked him down again. And Allen cuts right to the chase. After looking through all the evidence, what does the detective really think happened?

The belief was, and this is even part of the investigation that was conducted by the original investigators back in the '80s, that there may have been a connection between a serial burglar that was operating in that area and did fall to his death, short distance from where Mr. Ivers was residing, where this crime scene occurred. That was the belief. The original theory from police is that a burglar broke into Peter's loft. Peter woke up and the burglar killed him. They believe on the night of March second, 1983, Peter came home after the fight with David Jove. He made a few phone calls, including to Lucy Fisher. At some point, he fell asleep in bed with his clothes on. Then, according to what Mararow told me, a burglar broke in, killed Peter and stole his audio equipment. Some people think this theory makes sense, like artist Stephen Seymire, who also lived downtown at the time. I had her again. This is all second-hand. It could all be BS. But from what I heard that it was apparently there were some...

There.

Was a building. There was a building that used to be next to Peter's Loft, but had recently been torn down, and that left Peter's building more open and accessible. There was some train tracks between the building, and that building had just been raised, torn down. And the construction company hadn't put up a new security, cyclone security fence. So now there's this empty construction site, and then there's the building where Peter's Loft was with the lights on late into the night. Maybe a good target for a desperate person.

For potential thieves, Peter's Loft was a gold mine. Over the years of making his own music, Peter had a fancy collection of studio recording equipment. Personally, when my other musician friends were running out of money, they would just sell their gear. But I guess Peter didn't do that. Anyway, it's all there in his loft, which people tended to randomly wander through.

I had heard that Peter Iver's studio had had such an encounter and that someone had come up into the studio and they had opened the door to the studio and there's a guy standing right there and they took off.

This incident concerned one of Peter's roommates enough that he installed a home security system. And from what I heard.

Someone, I don't know if it was Peter or Peter Taylor, who was a roommate of Peter Ivers, decided that, Oh, I've got a circus mallet. Maybe we should keep it here and lean it up in the kitchen here in the corner for defense.

This is the mallet that most people suspect was the murder weapon, and it was just sitting there in the loft and a burglar could have easily picked it up. Not a bad theory, right? But there's one problem. The burglar, the cops think may have broken into Peter's place and killed him. He died. Apparently, he fell off a catwalk a week after Peter's death.

Detective Maharo showed me a picture of the burglar laying dead on the floor. He fell off the catwalk and he's laying spread eagle in a pool of blood, dead. Maharo said, We think this is the guy that killed Peter. They thought he was the suspect because he was supposedly committing a lot of burglaries in the area. But I don't know if I believe that. I think they maybe just wanted to wash their hands, case over. We don't have to deal with this bullshit anymore.

Was he the same person who supposedly broke into Peter's loft? No one can say for sure, but it's good enough for the cops.

That was the belief then just based on a certain… I can't get into the details, but based on certain circumstances involving. I tend to agree with the original investigators.

Could it have possibly been a random burglary? Maybe. But there's another theory. What if it was someone who had a venetta against Peter? Could it have possibly been someone in the scene? Peter's annoying behavior on New Wave Theater did piss off a lot of people. There was one dude in particular that some people have pointed to as a possible suspect. A bancer at the zero. His street name was Earwig.

Earwig, aka, earache, aka, Eric or Quake. A lot of names for one giant, scary guy. He had platinum blonde hair, shaved on the sides, had a completely neo-Nascy vibe about him.

Tequila Mockingbird didn't trust the guy either. That guy was a white supremace, and he didn't like Jews. I'm not going to hang out with white supremacists, and I don't like drug addicts. Other people had a lot to say about this upstanding citizen.

I know that he was a rapeist because he definitely tried to rape other girls that we were mutually dating. I think he got away with that a lot. I know, for a fact, he was sexually abusive and violent when he.

Got high.

He looked like.

Frankenstein and.

How he.

Was baby.

He just seemed like someone who could sweat your throat for the fun of it.

He had keep on sucking tattooed on his stomach. That last voice you heard is Bob Forrest, a street punk turned addiction counselor. He's talking to Alan about Earwig.

I knew him very.

Very well. One time when we were kids, we would buy speed.

From him.

He had this rehearsal studio on Highland and.

Yaka or whatever, Highland and Yaka.

Bob and his friends would buy whatever they could get their hands on from Earwig. Speed, Coke, heroin. You get the point. Then me and Anthony Flea lived at Hollywood.

Boulevard and Whitley.

That's why you're in Scientology.

We had to take the drugs across where there's cops everywhere and drugs are really illegal. So we started asking him if we could do it there. And I remember he very specifically said, Yeah, you can do it here, but if you go out, I'm not resuscitating you. I don't give a fuck. I'm putting you in a.

Shopping cart and I'll push you up on Hollywood Boulevard.

The thing is, I had heard that the reason that Eric killed Peter was because what he said was that he was a crazy fagot and he was giving punk rock a bad name, and nothing could be further than from the truth. A violent, homophobic, neo-Nazi certainly sounds like an easy murder suspect. But as it turns out, this theory is only about as credible as the burglar theory.

It's a lot of conjecture, fucking storytelling. Also, I don't want to get too gory, but I just want to say that Peter was bludgeoned to death with a mallet, and this is an intense way to kill someone. Think about it. The killer would have to get really close to the victim, which means that the victim either trusted the person or was a surprise attack.

This brings us to the next theory. Could it have been a crime of passion? Peter was a charmer and really good looking. People were drawn to him, women in particular, or as tequila puts it. Peter was Mr. Kundolini, Yoga, sex god. He had all these women losing.

Their minds over him. I don't know whether my mom had an affair with Ivers or what their relationship was.

That's Peter Rafeelson again. Peter Ivers actually met him through Rafeelson's mom.

As I recall, we used to go to Dupars at the Farmer's Market on Sundays. I always wondered exactly what the relationship to my mother was, and that leaves some imagination, but certainly he was a regular. Peter was messing around with many, many women in the Beverly Hills area, and their husbands might not have liked what Peter was doing.

So maybe Peter had lots of lovers, but one alleged relationship stands out.

For years, nobody ever asked me, and I never said anything about the whole relationship that Peter had with Anne Ramus.

I was a little annoyed with Peter because he was sleeping with a.

Married woman.

Oh, my God! He was sleeping with Harold Ramus's wife, and I was like, Oh, my God! What if he finds out? Alan Sachs actually had the nerves to ask Anne about this when he interviewed her a couple of years ago.

Were you involved romantically with Peter? I mean, I don't.

Know what to say about that. I feel like our relationship was really our personal thing.

I.

Think.

He was so wonderful.

I had a great appreciation for him. I don't really.

Want to answer that question. Okay. I'm trying to understand.

Whether they were romantic or not, Peter and Anne were certainly very close. According to Rod Falciner, sometimes Peter felt guilty about his closeness with Anne. He was Harold's friend, after all.

Peter was not happy with it. He felt bad about that. He liked Harold. Harold Ramus was helping Peter. He was giving him financing for Vitamin Pink. That made Peter feel that Peter was a very consumable person, and he felt very uncomfortable.

Harold loved Peter, too, and even supported him artistically and financially. Rod said that Peter felt torn between his feelings for Anne and his loyalty to her husband.

He just didn't want to be having an affair because this was a close friend of his and more than just a friend, I mean, someone who believed in him and so forth. It's hard to come by in this world.

After Peter died, Rafeelsen was looking around in his car and says he found Peter's day planner. It was under the seat where Peter had allegedly tucked the money he lost.

When I went and I found this binder, which I think was in my car, the day planner, somebody who told me said, Oh, my God, do not, whatever you do, do not give that to the police. You can't. You cannot let anybody see this. Why? Way.

The planner tracked Peter's life, who he spent his time with, and what he did every day. If Peter was having an affair with someone, the evidence for that could have been in his planner.

Because it was maybe where all the dead bodies were buried, so to speak, where all of the numbers were all of the information, where all of the fucking affairs and secrets were kept.

It was part diary, part calendar, and part phonebook.

Somebody had told me it may.

Have been her. By her, he's referring to Anne Ramus.

Do not whatever you do, whatever they say, you don't know anything. Like, you were literally telling me to essentially hide, prevent, as evidence of anything. But even if Freifelsen hid the planner, it was too late. Peter's escapades were in plain sight. The cops thought Harold was a crazed, jealous husband who killed his wife's lover. Common motive. But the cops questioned Harold and then released him soon after. And all they probably learned from the interview is that Harold, like the rest of us, adored Peter. I mean, a couple of months after Peter died, Harold used his song Little Boy's Sweet in the soundtrack for National Lampoon's vacation.

Whatever might have transpired between Peter and the women of Hollywood, the crime of passion theory didn't hold the police's attention for long. Of all the theories, a drug deal gone wrong, a pissed-off punk, a botched robbery, or a jealous husband, the cops felt robbery was the most plausible explanation, and that was their explanation when they set the case aside. But to all of us, that theory felt very flimsy.

I don't think that this was some random thing. I think that there was probably some illicit business and it went bad.

I have to say that to this day, it really, really.

Bothers me that.

This is an unsolved case. I don't get it.

I don't….

I just… I.

Mean, it kills me that somebody's.

Out there or was out there.

Maybe they're gone now. I don't know.

That took his life. Lucy Fisher, Peter's longtime girlfriend, felt the same way. It's part of why she hired a PI to look into his murder. Unfortunately, that PI has since passed away, so we don't know what he learned about Peter's death. There is, of course, one last theory that we haven't talked about. One that, as far as we know, the cops never fully explored. Could it be David Jove that killed Peter? Dream Big.

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That's episode 25 of New Wave Theater. It's Peter's last monolog. After he recorded the episode, Peter quit New Wave Theater and had that blowout fight with David Jove. A few hours later, he was found dead. And David's behavior after Peter's death was, well, pretty fucking strange. Even after Peter died, every time I'd see him, he'd.

Be like.

Come, David. Here's tequila, Mockingbird, talking with Alan Sachs. And I got a phone call saying, You're next. And I said, Come on over.

I'm waiting for you. Is that what you said? Yes, I did. Wait, when he said, You're next, was he implying that that was- The new way theater of murder is… That everybody involved in the show was going to be murdered. That's what his little stick was, and we hated him.

But that wasn't even the strangest thing David did in the days after Peter's murder. Earlier, we spoke about the crime scene. It was a total madhouse. People were wandering in and out, and some of his stuff went missing. Coincidentally, after that awful day, visitors to David Jove's Cave saw two new items amongst the crowded books and pentagrams. First, a pink sequin jacket, the one Peter wore on New Wave Theater. David claimed Peter gave it to him. Tequila? She calls bullshit. Peter would have never let him have that jacket. Never, because that was his favorite jacket. So that was super sketchy to me because there is no way that he.

Would have ever given him that.

And the other item that made its way to the cave? The blanket covering Peter's body. Ken Dow remember seeing it. He was a regular at the cave, and Jove took a liking to him quickly because of Ken's curiosity about, you guessed it, the occult.

He was a chaos magician. He was in love with Alishir, Crowley, and all of that occult stuff. What he liked to do was blow people's minds, do something that seemed magical.

Some time after Peter died, Ken was hanging out there with Jove.

We were talking about Peter, and he said, I need to show you something.

David's surprise for Ken is on the second floor. So David pulls down the ladder into the upper level to retrieve it.

Anyway, and he pulled the thing down. It was always like you had to pull a ladder down to get up in there. So he pulled it down and he got up, went up and just leaned out to the thing and poked the blanket down at me and said, This is it. This is the blanket I got from Peter's bed that day. And I could see blood, dried blood, and it's brown and was like weeping with tears. And this is the blanket. This is the blanket I got from Peter. This is his blanket, and I sleep with it every night.

Jove's daughter, Lily Hayden, corroborated Ken's story on a podcast called Rarefied Air. Here's a clip.

My dad slept with Peter's bloody blanket that he had been bludgeoned on, bludgeoned to death on. My dad slept with that bloody blanket for the rest of his life. I don't remember anything that happened after that moment. Why the thought never occurred to me? Oh, my God, that's evidence that the cops need. I could have gone to the cops and said, Hey, this.

Guy, I.

Don't know if he did it or what, but he's got this blanket. It never even occurred to me to go tell the cops this.

Some might say the cops should have looked at the guy who had just been professionally dumped by the victim, who was obsessed with death and known for violent outbursts, and who people say, cozyed up with Peter's bloody blanket. How creepy is that? Some might say the person who killed Peter Ivers could have been the guy with the most to lose. So was it David Jove? Could it have been the Acid King? That's coming up next time. Until then, see you.

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