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You take the QR code 's just building the universe before we winnow it? All right. Bye.There did seem to be a few promising developments, like how after we filed one of our lawsuits, we'd ended up in a different, much shorter, foya line, a line for people who sue. We got as close as number six in that line. And once we would get to the number one spot, US Command or SENTCOM, would start processing our documents. But then one day, Parker called to tell me, We have actually moved backwards in the queue.Oh, no.Backwards in line. I didn't even know that was possible. It was because of another news story involving the military, the US military's withdrawal from Afghanistan, and all the chaos that resulted. Crowds of people storming the airport, literally trying to jump onto military planes. What appeared to have happened was after the withdrawal from Afghanistan, a bunch of news organizations had sued for documents about the withdrawal. Their requests were more urgent because they involved something that was happening right now. So they were able to jump us in line.There better be nothing. Oh, that stinks.I found myself starting to check the news on my phone every morning with an entirely new perspective, quickly scanning for any military news that could lead other reporters to file fouias that would push us even further back. Any conflict that the military would claim was diverting their attention from our We started to despair.Because by this measure, I mean, we're never going to get stuff. Something is always going to come up. I mean, also, whatRaymond looked everywhere. He even ventured onto the dark web.That's where you go to buy opioids, engage in human trafficking, ship large suspicious packages in shipping carts over. I don't know.He downloaded secret browsers, got a special hard drive.For an extra layer of security.Did some academic research.I learned from an old master's thesis on hacktivism.On a track down specialist who he thought could help.I messaged one guy who described himself as a data hoarder.A data hoarder?Yeah. Apparently, this is a thing, and I still found nothing.But then, after weeks of trying to find the hacked emails from the defense lawyers on the Haditha case, Raymond called me up with some news. He'd been poking around on a website called DDoS Secrets. It's a massive repository for leaked documents. He tried searching for the emails using all the obvious search terms. Haditha, the name of the hacked law firm, the name of the Marine they defended. Sadly, he'd come up empty.I tried one more thing.Raymond remembered reading that the hackers had a weekly ritual of releasing document dumps on Fridays. They even had a special hashtag for it. They called it Fuck FBI Friday, like a hacker's taco Tuesday. And so, Raymond typed in, Fuck FBI Friday, hit Enter, and boom.Tens of thousands of emails, court documents, and other associated files that were part of this major email leak.Whoa. Okay, that's crazy. Tens? Wait, how many?Well, so in total, there's more than 30,000 files?Thousands and thousands of emails. Most of them were completely unimportant work messages, not newsworthy at all. But amidst all this humdrum, we found an email attachment, a single document that would become our Rosetta Stone, a key that would unlock everything. It was a list of statements given by Marines to investigators on the Haditha case, basically an index. It listed the rank of the Marines who'd given the statements, the dates they were interviewed. And amazingly, it listed their names, the names that had been redacted in the official files the government gave us. They were just there, out in the open. Most of these guys had never talked to a reporter before, never told their story to the public. But that was about to change. Next time on In the Dark, we're going to tell you about November 19th, 2005, from the perspective of the Marines who were there, from their own statements given to investigators years ago. And... Hi.Hey, there. My name's Parker. I'm working on a project about the American War.From the Marines themselves. That's next time on In the Dark. If you want to listen to episode three right now, ad free, you can do that by subscribing to The New Yorker. Subscribers will get access to all of our remaining episodes ad free a week early. Go to newyorker. Com/dark to subscribe and listen now. In the Dark is reported and produced by me, Madelyne Baron, managing producer, Samara Freemark, producers Natalie Jablonsky and Raymond Tungakar, and reporter, Parker Jesko. In the Dark is edited by Katherine Winter and Willing Davidson. This episode was fact-checked by Lucy Croning and Lynéa Feldman-Emerson. A special thanks to our Foyer team at Lovie & Lovie. Original music by Allison Leighton-Brown. Sound Design and Mix by John DeLore. Additional music by Chris Julen and Gary Meister. Our theme is by Gary Meister. Our art is by Emiliano Ponzi. Art Direction by Nicholas Conrad and Aviva Mikhalov. Legal Review by Fabio Bertoni. In the Dark was created by American Public Media and is produced by The New Yorker. Our managing editor is Julia Rothschild. The head of global audio for CondeNast is Chris Banon. The editor of The New Yorker is David Remnick.If you have comments or story tips, you can send them to us at inthedark@newyorker. Com. Make sure to follow In the Dark wherever you get your podcasts.Did you kill Marlene Johnson?I think you're one of the first people to have actually asked.From WBUR and ZSP Media, this is Beyond All Repair, a podcast about an unsolved murder that will leave you questioning everything.Wow, it just gets more interesting.Beyond All Repair. All episodes are out now. Listen and follow wherever you get your podcasts. From PRX.

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records the government has kept from the public for years. This is episode 2, I Have Questions. You can't just walk into the archive at Quantico. First, you have to get onto the base. You have to get registered. You have to provide all kinds of information, like your boss's cell phone number, and whether you've been convicted of a felony. You have to put your finger on a little pad that takes a digital fingerprint. You get photographed, and then you get a QR code. You take the QR code 's just building the universe before we winnow it? All right. Bye.There did seem to be a few promising developments, like how after we filed one of our lawsuits, we'd ended up in a different, much shorter, foya line, a line for people who sue. We got as close as number six in that line. And once we would get to the number one spot, US Command or SENTCOM, would start processing our documents. But then one day, Parker called to tell me, We have actually moved backwards in the queue.Oh, no.Backwards in line. I didn't even know that was possible. It was because of another news story involving the military, the US military's withdrawal from Afghanistan, and all the chaos that resulted. Crowds of people storming the airport, literally trying to jump onto military planes. What appeared to have happened was after the withdrawal from Afghanistan, a bunch of news organizations had sued for documents about the withdrawal. Their requests were more urgent because they involved something that was happening right now. So they were able to jump us in line.There better be nothing. Oh, that stinks.I found myself starting to check the news on my phone every morning with an entirely new perspective, quickly scanning for any military news that could lead other reporters to file fouias that would push us even further back. Any conflict that the military would claim was diverting their attention from our We started to despair.Because by this measure, I mean, we're never going to get stuff. Something is always going to come up. I mean, also, whatRaymond looked everywhere. He even ventured onto the dark web.That's where you go to buy opioids, engage in human trafficking, ship large suspicious packages in shipping carts over. I don't know.He downloaded secret browsers, got a special hard drive.For an extra layer of security.Did some academic research.I learned from an old master's thesis on hacktivism.On a track down specialist who he thought could help.I messaged one guy who described himself as a data hoarder.A data hoarder?Yeah. Apparently, this is a thing, and I still found nothing.But then, after weeks of trying to find the hacked emails from the defense lawyers on the Haditha case, Raymond called me up with some news. He'd been poking around on a website called DDoS Secrets. It's a massive repository for leaked documents. He tried searching for the emails using all the obvious search terms. Haditha, the name of the hacked law firm, the name of the Marine they defended. Sadly, he'd come up empty.I tried one more thing.Raymond remembered reading that the hackers had a weekly ritual of releasing document dumps on Fridays. They even had a special hashtag for it. They called it Fuck FBI Friday, like a hacker's taco Tuesday. And so, Raymond typed in, Fuck FBI Friday, hit Enter, and boom.Tens of thousands of emails, court documents, and other associated files that were part of this major email leak.Whoa. Okay, that's crazy. Tens? Wait, how many?Well, so in total, there's more than 30,000 files?Thousands and thousands of emails. Most of them were completely unimportant work messages, not newsworthy at all. But amidst all this humdrum, we found an email attachment, a single document that would become our Rosetta Stone, a key that would unlock everything. It was a list of statements given by Marines to investigators on the Haditha case, basically an index. It listed the rank of the Marines who'd given the statements, the dates they were interviewed. And amazingly, it listed their names, the names that had been redacted in the official files the government gave us. They were just there, out in the open. Most of these guys had never talked to a reporter before, never told their story to the public. But that was about to change. Next time on In the Dark, we're going to tell you about November 19th, 2005, from the perspective of the Marines who were there, from their own statements given to investigators years ago. And... Hi.Hey, there. My name's Parker. I'm working on a project about the American War.From the Marines themselves. That's next time on In the Dark. If you want to listen to episode three right now, ad free, you can do that by subscribing to The New Yorker. Subscribers will get access to all of our remaining episodes ad free a week early. Go to newyorker. Com/dark to subscribe and listen now. In the Dark is reported and produced by me, Madelyne Baron, managing producer, Samara Freemark, producers Natalie Jablonsky and Raymond Tungakar, and reporter, Parker Jesko. In the Dark is edited by Katherine Winter and Willing Davidson. This episode was fact-checked by Lucy Croning and Lynéa Feldman-Emerson. A special thanks to our Foyer team at Lovie & Lovie. Original music by Allison Leighton-Brown. Sound Design and Mix by John DeLore. Additional music by Chris Julen and Gary Meister. Our theme is by Gary Meister. Our art is by Emiliano Ponzi. Art Direction by Nicholas Conrad and Aviva Mikhalov. Legal Review by Fabio Bertoni. In the Dark was created by American Public Media and is produced by The New Yorker. Our managing editor is Julia Rothschild. The head of global audio for CondeNast is Chris Banon. The editor of The New Yorker is David Remnick.If you have comments or story tips, you can send them to us at inthedark@newyorker. Com. Make sure to follow In the Dark wherever you get your podcasts.Did you kill Marlene Johnson?I think you're one of the first people to have actually asked.From WBUR and ZSP Media, this is Beyond All Repair, a podcast about an unsolved murder that will leave you questioning everything.Wow, it just gets more interesting.Beyond All Repair. All episodes are out now. Listen and follow wherever you get your podcasts. From PRX.

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's just building the universe before we winnow it? All right. Bye.

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There did seem to be a few promising developments, like how after we filed one of our lawsuits, we'd ended up in a different, much shorter, foya line, a line for people who sue. We got as close as number six in that line. And once we would get to the number one spot, US Command or SENTCOM, would start processing our documents. But then one day, Parker called to tell me, We have actually moved backwards in the queue.

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Oh, no.

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Backwards in line. I didn't even know that was possible. It was because of another news story involving the military, the US military's withdrawal from Afghanistan, and all the chaos that resulted. Crowds of people storming the airport, literally trying to jump onto military planes. What appeared to have happened was after the withdrawal from Afghanistan, a bunch of news organizations had sued for documents about the withdrawal. Their requests were more urgent because they involved something that was happening right now. So they were able to jump us in line.

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There better be nothing. Oh, that stinks.

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I found myself starting to check the news on my phone every morning with an entirely new perspective, quickly scanning for any military news that could lead other reporters to file fouias that would push us even further back. Any conflict that the military would claim was diverting their attention from our We started to despair.

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Because by this measure, I mean, we're never going to get stuff. Something is always going to come up. I mean, also, whatRaymond looked everywhere. He even ventured onto the dark web.That's where you go to buy opioids, engage in human trafficking, ship large suspicious packages in shipping carts over. I don't know.He downloaded secret browsers, got a special hard drive.For an extra layer of security.Did some academic research.I learned from an old master's thesis on hacktivism.On a track down specialist who he thought could help.I messaged one guy who described himself as a data hoarder.A data hoarder?Yeah. Apparently, this is a thing, and I still found nothing.But then, after weeks of trying to find the hacked emails from the defense lawyers on the Haditha case, Raymond called me up with some news. He'd been poking around on a website called DDoS Secrets. It's a massive repository for leaked documents. He tried searching for the emails using all the obvious search terms. Haditha, the name of the hacked law firm, the name of the Marine they defended. Sadly, he'd come up empty.I tried one more thing.Raymond remembered reading that the hackers had a weekly ritual of releasing document dumps on Fridays. They even had a special hashtag for it. They called it Fuck FBI Friday, like a hacker's taco Tuesday. And so, Raymond typed in, Fuck FBI Friday, hit Enter, and boom.Tens of thousands of emails, court documents, and other associated files that were part of this major email leak.Whoa. Okay, that's crazy. Tens? Wait, how many?Well, so in total, there's more than 30,000 files?Thousands and thousands of emails. Most of them were completely unimportant work messages, not newsworthy at all. But amidst all this humdrum, we found an email attachment, a single document that would become our Rosetta Stone, a key that would unlock everything. It was a list of statements given by Marines to investigators on the Haditha case, basically an index. It listed the rank of the Marines who'd given the statements, the dates they were interviewed. And amazingly, it listed their names, the names that had been redacted in the official files the government gave us. They were just there, out in the open. Most of these guys had never talked to a reporter before, never told their story to the public. But that was about to change. Next time on In the Dark, we're going to tell you about November 19th, 2005, from the perspective of the Marines who were there, from their own statements given to investigators years ago. And... Hi.Hey, there. My name's Parker. I'm working on a project about the American War.From the Marines themselves. That's next time on In the Dark. If you want to listen to episode three right now, ad free, you can do that by subscribing to The New Yorker. Subscribers will get access to all of our remaining episodes ad free a week early. Go to newyorker. Com/dark to subscribe and listen now. In the Dark is reported and produced by me, Madelyne Baron, managing producer, Samara Freemark, producers Natalie Jablonsky and Raymond Tungakar, and reporter, Parker Jesko. In the Dark is edited by Katherine Winter and Willing Davidson. This episode was fact-checked by Lucy Croning and Lynéa Feldman-Emerson. A special thanks to our Foyer team at Lovie & Lovie. Original music by Allison Leighton-Brown. Sound Design and Mix by John DeLore. Additional music by Chris Julen and Gary Meister. Our theme is by Gary Meister. Our art is by Emiliano Ponzi. Art Direction by Nicholas Conrad and Aviva Mikhalov. Legal Review by Fabio Bertoni. In the Dark was created by American Public Media and is produced by The New Yorker. Our managing editor is Julia Rothschild. The head of global audio for CondeNast is Chris Banon. The editor of The New Yorker is David Remnick.If you have comments or story tips, you can send them to us at inthedark@newyorker. Com. Make sure to follow In the Dark wherever you get your podcasts.Did you kill Marlene Johnson?I think you're one of the first people to have actually asked.From WBUR and ZSP Media, this is Beyond All Repair, a podcast about an unsolved murder that will leave you questioning everything.Wow, it just gets more interesting.Beyond All Repair. All episodes are out now. Listen and follow wherever you get your podcasts. From PRX.

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Raymond looked everywhere. He even ventured onto the dark web.

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That's where you go to buy opioids, engage in human trafficking, ship large suspicious packages in shipping carts over. I don't know.

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He downloaded secret browsers, got a special hard drive.

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For an extra layer of security.

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Did some academic research.

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I learned from an old master's thesis on hacktivism.

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On a track down specialist who he thought could help.

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I messaged one guy who described himself as a data hoarder.

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A data hoarder?

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Yeah. Apparently, this is a thing, and I still found nothing.

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But then, after weeks of trying to find the hacked emails from the defense lawyers on the Haditha case, Raymond called me up with some news. He'd been poking around on a website called DDoS Secrets. It's a massive repository for leaked documents. He tried searching for the emails using all the obvious search terms. Haditha, the name of the hacked law firm, the name of the Marine they defended. Sadly, he'd come up empty.

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I tried one more thing.

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Raymond remembered reading that the hackers had a weekly ritual of releasing document dumps on Fridays. They even had a special hashtag for it. They called it Fuck FBI Friday, like a hacker's taco Tuesday. And so, Raymond typed in, Fuck FBI Friday, hit Enter, and boom.

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Tens of thousands of emails, court documents, and other associated files that were part of this major email leak.

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Whoa. Okay, that's crazy. Tens? Wait, how many?

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Well, so in total, there's more than 30,000 files?

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Thousands and thousands of emails. Most of them were completely unimportant work messages, not newsworthy at all. But amidst all this humdrum, we found an email attachment, a single document that would become our Rosetta Stone, a key that would unlock everything. It was a list of statements given by Marines to investigators on the Haditha case, basically an index. It listed the rank of the Marines who'd given the statements, the dates they were interviewed. And amazingly, it listed their names, the names that had been redacted in the official files the government gave us. They were just there, out in the open. Most of these guys had never talked to a reporter before, never told their story to the public. But that was about to change. Next time on In the Dark, we're going to tell you about November 19th, 2005, from the perspective of the Marines who were there, from their own statements given to investigators years ago. And... Hi.

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Hey, there. My name's Parker. I'm working on a project about the American War.

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From the Marines themselves. That's next time on In the Dark. If you want to listen to episode three right now, ad free, you can do that by subscribing to The New Yorker. Subscribers will get access to all of our remaining episodes ad free a week early. Go to newyorker. Com/dark to subscribe and listen now. In the Dark is reported and produced by me, Madelyne Baron, managing producer, Samara Freemark, producers Natalie Jablonsky and Raymond Tungakar, and reporter, Parker Jesko. In the Dark is edited by Katherine Winter and Willing Davidson. This episode was fact-checked by Lucy Croning and Lynéa Feldman-Emerson. A special thanks to our Foyer team at Lovie & Lovie. Original music by Allison Leighton-Brown. Sound Design and Mix by John DeLore. Additional music by Chris Julen and Gary Meister. Our theme is by Gary Meister. Our art is by Emiliano Ponzi. Art Direction by Nicholas Conrad and Aviva Mikhalov. Legal Review by Fabio Bertoni. In the Dark was created by American Public Media and is produced by The New Yorker. Our managing editor is Julia Rothschild. The head of global audio for CondeNast is Chris Banon. The editor of The New Yorker is David Remnick.

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If you have comments or story tips, you can send them to us at inthedark@newyorker. Com. Make sure to follow In the Dark wherever you get your podcasts.

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Did you kill Marlene Johnson?

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I think you're one of the first people to have actually asked.

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From WBUR and ZSP Media, this is Beyond All Repair, a podcast about an unsolved murder that will leave you questioning everything.

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Wow, it just gets more interesting.

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Beyond All Repair. All episodes are out now. Listen and follow wherever you get your podcasts. From PRX.