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You may know Jackson Pollack, the painter famous for his iconic drip paintings. But what do you know about his wife, artist Lee Krasner? On Death of an Artist, Krasner and Pollack, the story of the artist who reset the market for American abstract painting, just maybe not the one you're thinking of. Listen to Death of an Artist, Krasner and Pollock on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Before we get to this episode, I want to let you know that you can binge the entire season right now, ad-free, by becoming a Pushkin+ subscriber. Sign up for Pushkin+ on the Lost Hills Apple podcast show page or visit pushkin. Fm/plus. Now, on to the episode. We're taking a break from the Mytherese Richardson story for one episode, so we can go a little deeper into the context around her arrest and release. We've already heard how a few weeks after Maitrise's disappearance, the Sheriff's Department held a press conference at Los Hills Station, and one of the big questions people had for them was why Mitrice hadn't been driven back to her car. The deputies had arrested her on Pacific Coast Highway and impounded her car more than 10 miles away from the station.

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Didn't they owe her safe passage back once they released her? Especially given the hour, it was past midnight, and the fact that her purse and her phone were found it in her car.

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If she had asked, sure.

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But let me think, that's an interesting question. We did that before. We've been asked to do that, and we've done it. And then we've been disciplined for doing it. This is the Sheriff's spokesman. He says, We've been disciplined for doing it. He doesn't mention who the deputies drove back to their car. But there was one world famous celebrity who had a world famous meltdown when he was arrested, and a Los Hills deputy drove him back to his car. It was the actor Mel Gibson. Gibson was arrested by a Lost Hills deputy in 2006, three years before Mitreese's arrest. The story has entered celebrity lore. Just one more example of a powerful person acting atrociously. He became uncooperative, profane, threatening. This is Harvey Levin, a legal journalist and the founder of TMZ, appearing on CBS News after he broke the story.

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At times, Violent banging himself against the car inside the car, tried to escape.

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Levin obtained the arresting deputy's notes, which say the handcuffed actor also began a barrage of anti-Semitic remarks.

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The Jews are responsible for all the wars, asking the deputy, Was he Jewish?

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This story is incredibly instructive because it shows the night and day difference between how law enforcement treated a celebrity and Malibu VIP like Gibson and Mitreis Richardson, who had no ties to the area. At the time of Maitrise's disappearance, there was disgust and outrage that she would have been released without a safe ride. She was in the midst of a mental health crisis that should have apparent to anyone who talked to her. Here's a lawyer for her family at a press conference in a clip from NBC, LA.

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If Maitrise Richardson's name was Spears or Lohan, they would never let her walk out by herself.

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They would have escorted her home.

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We've talked a lot about what happened to Mytrice Richardson when she was arrested in Malibu. Now, let's look at what happens if you're Mel Gibson and you're arrested in Malibu. Sport A spoiler alert. A life was ruined, but not his life. I'm Dana Goodier, and this is Lost Hills. This special episode is called Get Jim. Do you think that the celebrity Do the police in Malibu basically think that they shouldn't be policed?

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Oh, I definitely think there's an expectation.

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This is retired Sheriff's Deputy, James Mee. I met him at his home in Calabasas. He was in the midst of a kitchen remodel, so we sat in some folding chairs in his garage to escape the sound of banging hammers. For most of his career, Deputy Mee was a DUI Specialist at Los Hills Station. His beat was Pacific Coast Highway.

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I'm in the thousands for drunk drivers. Deputies get good at certain things, and I just developed a neck for that.

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The celebrity population of Malibu is very specific. Sometimes they need extra security, and they hire local deputies, and alliance forms, and understanding. And just like Hollywood, Malibu runs on the currency of favors. Deputy Me said that one famous music producer would offer desirable concert tickets to Los Hills deputies.

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And you'd get the tickets and you'd go there, and you'd be front row center at a thing that was all sold out because he had influence, and he could use his influence. And it It was well known that he could do that, and deputies would take him up on it. But the problem was, is there's a payback. There's an expectation.

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The producer, Deputy Me, said, expected the deputies to help out his friends share another prominent Malibu resident.

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She was in the news because she had retaining walls put up around her perimeter for privacy that exceeded the limit, the code. And And she was in the city council meetings trying to get a variance or an extension. And one of the deputies showed up in uniform with a gun belt, and the city council was shocked that a deputy in uniform was making a speech to support Cher's thing.

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The deputy was later disciplined. Patrolling in Malibu, you never knew who you'd pull over. He once stopped a famous '80s heartthrob.

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And the minute that I pulled them over, he starts shooting off deputies' names that are friends of his. And all the deputies' names are the Malibu groupie guys that hang out with the rich and famous. But he had an expectation that he was going to get out of the ticket.

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Mies says dealing with celebrities was actually a risk for the deputies.

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These people, they're notable people. They're public figures, okay? And This is why you don't want to get bad press with a public figure, okay? Is that then they're going to talk to the public about how crappy, how bad the cops are. So now you pull over a private person who's got no status, and they're ready for a fight. They're ready to file a complaint because it's public information that the Sheriff deputies are jerks and creeps.

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Around 2005, James Mee stopped a speeder on PCH. He was amazed when he realized he was in the driver's seat. It was Mel Gibson. Deputy Mee had been a huge Mel Gibson fan, even before his career as a cop. But he says watching Gibson movies was practically part of the coursework at the Sheriff's Academy.

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They'd have to do something with us. And so the lazy instructors would just put on a video to entertain us for 30 minutes. Something police-related is what they called it. It was always bits and pieces of lethal weapon one, lethal weapon two. When I pulled them over and I got star-struck. I loved him. I liked him. I liked his acting.

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As a DUI specialist, Deputy Me knew that speeding is a sign of a potential drunk driver, and Gibson was going fast.

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Pretty significant. I recall he was somewhere around 70 and a 45, and I knew where he lived. He wasn't that far from home.

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He didn't want to be the guy who arrested Mel Gibson.

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And so I really evaluated it, and I walked up to the car, and in my brain, I'm thinking he's drunk, but I handed him his license and said, Slow down, sir. Just slow down, because I knew he didn't have that far to go. And I literally He literally stood in the street after he drove off and prayed that he wasn't going to crash.

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About a week later, Deputy Me was at home watching TV when a public service announcement came on.

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This patrol car, Sheriff's Patrol car, drives into the scene and the camera zooms in on the side of the patrol car on the Sheriff's insignia, and the door opens and the Deputy Sheriff stands, gets out of the car and stands at the driver's door and looks into camera. And guess who that Deputy Sheriff was? Mel Gibson. And my jaw dropped. Please join me in supporting the LA Sheriff Star Organization. Your gifts provide educational opportunities for the children of our fallen deputies. Please give back to those who give so much. I went, Holy shit. I was floored. I went, God, I almost arrested him. What a scene would that have been? Had I arrested him? He's got to be the Sheriff's buddy.

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That was still in his head when about six months later, he pulled Gibson over a second time, again for speeding.

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And the second time, he was in a fancy Lexus, a tan-colored Lexus. I pulled him over in This time, same thing, speeding, not too far from where I had pulled him over the first time. This time, he's on a cell phone when I walk up, and he's ignoring me, and he's talking, talking, talking. Then at one point, he He says, Hold on, whoever he was talking to. And he goes, Yeah, Deputy, what can I do for you? And I said, Sir, I'd like to see your driver's license.

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This time, Deputy Me couldn't deny that Gibson's behavior was suspicious.

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Eye contact avoidance is a big indicator of a drunk driver. The first time, his head was on the nod, his eyelids were droopy, he was avoiding me. And all symptomology of a drunk driver. The second time, that playing with the phone got me a little nervous, but when he was talking, he wasn't slurting his speech. He was alert.

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So once again, he let it slide.

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So I figured, Okay, I'll let this one go. And I gave him back his license, told him to slow down again.

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Then came July 28, 2006.

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So the third time, of course, that was the straw that broke the camel's back. So that's when everything went down.

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It's after midnight. Deputy Mee's patrolling near Moon Shadows, a Malibu restaurant right on Pacific Coast Highway.

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I'm just cruising by, and all of a sudden, my radar just picks them up 87 miles an hour. And my heart dropped because that's hyper speed to me, what I call. That guy's either drunk or stupid or both. And I don't care if he's the President of the United States, he's at least getting a ticket.

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It's only once he's pulled him over that Deputy Me recognizes the car, the same tan-colored Lexus he pulled over months before. Then what happened when you got to the window of the car?

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I asked him for his driver's license, being professionally, and he was frozen He had a frozen stare out the windshield. His hands were tightly gripping the steering wheel. He says very slowly, I don't have it. I knew that drinking or drugs was involved, and I was going to investigate that. I was going to do my job. It was it. I just said, Mr. Gibson, I know who you are. I'm going to have you step out of the car. I completely forgot about his connection to the sheriff. I completely forgot about the commercial, and I just went into my, be a professional and do your job.

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Deputy Me explains that he'd like to take Gibson back to the station to give him a breathalizer, or if he prefers, a blood alcohol test.

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I had a speech that I had to memorize because technically, it's not an arrest until I'm able to prove that you were, in fact, drunk. And getting a blood alcohol test. Until that point, you're detained. You're not technically arrested, but it amounts to being the same thing in the eyes of a citizen who's going to potentially be put in handcuffs and stuck in the back of the patrol car. To them, you're arrested. And so I would give a speech to try to lessen that effect, and I was very effective with it. With Mel Gibson, it didn't work.

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The speech sets Gibson off.

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That's when his whole attitude changing was he flamed out.

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Gibson suddenly becomes belligerent. He starts swearing, repeatedly saying, My life is fucked. The two men are standing beside the patrol car. When Deputy Mead directs Gibson to get inside, Gibson says, I'm not going to get in your car, and bolts back to his Lexus. Deputy Mead manages to stop Gibson, cuff him, and put him in the back of the patrol car, and he arranges for the Lexus to be towed.

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I was driving him back to the station, and I thought, Okay, I better let the station know in advance that a notable person was coming in because he was starting to act the way he acted, ultimately acted.

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On the ride back Back to Lost Hill Station, Gibson repeatedly threatens Deputy Me, saying he owns Malibu and would get even with him. Then he starts to rant about, quote, fucking Jews. Blaming them for, quote, all the wars in the world. At one point, he asks Deputy Me, Are you a Jew? As it happened, Deputy Me says he was one of only two or three Jewish deputies at Los Hills Station. We'll be right back.

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Can you hear me now? I'm Dr. Lauri Santos, and I'm devoting the new season of my podcast, The Happiness Lab, to topics that are dear to my heart, with people dear to my heart, with my mom. Wait a minute. Let me put the TV on. I'll be finding out why I personally struggle so badly with perfectionism, stress, and even sitting still and doing nothing. But I feel like I'm bad at boredom because you're bad at boredom. Yeah, no, I didn't do well with doing nothing. And once I find out why these When things affect me so badly, I'm hoping to do something about it. So join me on my journey wherever you get your podcasts. When Deputy Me gets Mel Gibson to Los Till Station at 2:15 AM. Other deputies are waiting with a video camera.

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He threatened me numerous times on tape. I'm going to get you. I'm going to make you remember the day that you did this to me. I'm going to spend all of my money. I don't care how much it's going to take.

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Gibson is out of control, allegedly turning to a female deputy and shouting, What do you think you're looking at, sugar tits? Gibson denies saying this. He's booked and given a breathalizer test. His results show a level of 0.12, four points higher than the legal limit. As the morning shift filters in, Mee is tasked with briefing his colleagues about the situation.

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In Everybody, Hey, what's all the hoop law? Who's this guy? I was shocked because this is just another arrest to me. But to everybody else, they're just getting gitty. Like, nobody's business. People are going in and gocking at them, and everybody there is going, Oh, this is big. Oh, this is going to be real big. And I'm like, I just arrested. He just got arrested for drunk driving. That's all it is.

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A little after nine o'clock that morning, Gibson is released without signing the notice to appear citation or providing his palm print for the booking slip. After all, he is a VIP. And the VIP treatment continues when a deputy offers to drive him back to the tow yard where his Lexus is impounded, the same tow yard where my Threese's car would be impounded three years later. Deputy Me says driving Gibson back to his car was really unusual, and it was done to spare Gibson embarrassment.

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We're not a taxi company, and you get yourself arrested. You're on your own. We're going to release you.

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But it's not against the rules to drive someone back to their car.

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It's discouraged, but no, there's no rules that say that you can't do it.

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Why do you think Mel Gibson was driven back to his car?

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Because in order for Mel Gibson to get a ride home, he would be let out the jail door, be escorted to the front of station, and then he'd have to go to the lobby where he could pick up a phone, a pay phone. He would have to go through the gauntlet of all the reporters and stuff. To prevent that from happening, it was better to just get him out of there to get the media to the leave, so to speak.

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Meanwhile, Deputy Mee has been working on his report of the arrest. His superiors want it right away, and there's a lot of pressure. He's not allowed to finish it later. He has to finish it now. He produces an eight-page driving under the influence report detailing everything from the combat of arrest to the threats and anti-Semitic slurs. He hands it to his sergeant.

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And he looks at it and he goes, Oh, no, you're going to have to change this report. There are too many inflammatory things on this thing. You don't have to have this stuff in this report. Take this stuff out of the report. And I said, No, he did it. He deserves it. That's the way the report is going. And he says, Wait here.

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The sergeant calls a lieutenant who calls the station captain who calls the chief.

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Okay, you're being ordered to change this report. And I said, I can't do it. And she says, Why can't you do it?

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Deputy Me is thinking about those threats Gibson made, that Gibson's going to spend every penny he has to ruin him. He's worried Gibson will contest his arrest in court, and he wants as much evidence as possible to support his case. He can't let Gibson and destroy him.

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And I said, Because this guy is going to fight it. This guy is going to fight it. He swore he was going to get even with me, and he deserves everything he got on this report. This is my only way to protect myself. And if you take that out of the report and I have to put it in a second report, it's going to look like an afterthought, and I'm going to be made to look like a fool on stand, and I'm not going to do it.

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But he has no choice.

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They made me do it. I have to start all over again. They said, You're going to write a generic report that the media is going to get, and you're going to write another report with all the scathing stuff, and that's going to be put in the watch commander's office so nobody has access to it.

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Deputy Me reluctantly discards the original eight-page report and creates two new reports. One, a sanitized version of events, leaves out anything inflammatory. The other, a supplemental report report, tells what actually happened. The supplemental report, along with a three quarters full bottle of tequila, which Deputy Me confiscated from Gibson's car, goes into the safe in the watch commander's office, with the intention that its details will remain hidden from the public forever. Here's another contrast to Mitrice's case. Here, documentation and evidence that would have embarrassed Gibson were secreted away in order to protect In Maitrise's case, when her parents and supporters were clamoring to see video of her leaving the station, they were repeatedly told no such video existed. Eventually, they learned it had been in the desk drawer of the station captain the whole time. That was to protect the Sheriff's Department from embarrassment. At 07:00 PM that night, TMZ publishes a story based on the sanitized version. By then, Deputy Mia is at home, trying to get some rest. But his phone rings, and it's Harvey Levin from TMZ.

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I get a phone call, wakes me up, and it's, Hi, Harvey Levin with TMZ. And I never even heard a TMZ. And is it true that you're the guy that arrested Mel Gibson? And I'm like, Dude, how did you get my phone number?

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Two hours later, TMZ posts a news story, this one containing all the scandalous details, which includes a patently false statement from the Sheriff's Department that the actor was arrested without incident and that there was absolutely no favoritism shown. And it goes viral all over TV and the Internet.

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Mel Gibson was pulled over early Friday morning. But it's what the star who first became famous as Mad Max allegedly did next, that has Hollywood talking.

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Levin somehow got his hands on the original eight-page report.

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This is a case of a big movie star who behaved really badly and was exposed, but maybe not because the Sheriff's Department came to his rescue and tried to censor information from the public and then lied to the media about it. This was a classic, clumsy cover His source, he says, is outside the Sheriff's Department.

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But that doesn't stop everyone from blaming Deputy Me.

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Everybody was convinced that I had given my report to TMZ, and they had paid me millions of dollars for it.

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Deputy Me says he had nothing to do with it, and he told his supervisors about his conversation with Levin. He insists he didn't disclose the inflammatory parts of the arrest.

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I come on shift, and they go, Internal Criminal Affairs is here, and they've got sergeants out in front of your house right now, and they're going to bust your door down a few. I'm going to give you a chance to go open up your door. And they took my kids' computers out of the house. They took everything.

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It was only the beginning.

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So everything that happened to me, it was all... I know it came from the sheriff. There's no doubt. It was Get Jim.

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After arresting Mel Gibson, James Mee's life was never the same.

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You may know Jackson Pollack, the painter famous for his iconic drip paintings. But what do you know about his wife, artist Lee Krasner? On Death of an Artist, Krasner and Pollack, the story of the artist who reset the market for American abstract painting, just maybe not the one you're thinking of. Listen to Death of an Artist, Krasner and Pollock on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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I guess I must have been a little overwrought. That's what happens. Too much pressure, too much work. You do things that go against good judgment. That's it. A few drinks later, and I was in the back of a police car wailing.

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That's Mel Gibson doing an interview with Diane Sawyer about three months after he was arrested in Malibu. He's on a career rescuing apology tour. He blames his outrageous behavior on alcoholism.

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Officer James Mead. Did you know him? Did you know he was Jewish?

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No, I don't think so. I don't think so.

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I find out later. But that's all. Why would you have asked him that? I don't know. You see, it's all... I didn't know if he was or wasn't. I mean, I said horrible things to him, and he was pretty patient.

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For a time, Gibson faced some repercussions in Hollywood. But for Deputy Me, being the guy who arrested Gibson completely derailed his life.

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I was kicked out of Malibu. I was transferred out of Malibu.

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What was the explanation they gave for you for why you were being kicked out of Malibu?

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They said it was paparazzi, that they were worried, the city officials were worried that the paparazzi were going to be staking me out, stalking me, and trying to bait me into another incident is what they said, because they said it's only going to be for a couple of weeks until things calm down. And of course, it never happened. And what I later learned was Malibu didn't want me back. The Malibu officials, they didn't want me back because they thought I embarrassed the city. There was some issue about that. So I never got to go back. You embarrassed the city by being the victim of a rant? By creating all this hoopla. By creating all this hoopla.

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Didn't Mel Gibson embarrassed Sheriff's the city?

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Well, he had a lot of influence, I guess, is my take on it.

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Gibson's friendship with then Sheriff Lee Baca is well documented. At a 2002 event for a Sheriff's Department charity, Gibson said, All my friends are cops. Bacca, in return, praised Gibson as a wonderful man.

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He has to run for election, and he has to campaign for campaign dollars. And it was obvious that he was hitting up people for campaign donations. Frequently, he would be in Malibu, and then I'd come on shift and be on the briefing board, a warning that he's attending a party. Everybody, be careful, behave yourselves out there, don't do anything stupid, that stuff.

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Would Mel Gibson sometimes be at these parties or hosting these parties?

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Well, Mel Gibson was a claimed to Fame campaign donator to Baca. He bragged about it.

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After Gibson's arrest, the LA County district attorney launched an official investigation into the leak of the original eight-page report. The Sheriff's Department also launched its own internal investigation. Both inquiries put Deputy Me in the crosshairs. From that point forward, Deputy Me says he was retaliated against relentlessly in the petty, bureaucratic, death by a thousand cuts way that is the specialty of the Sheriff's Department when it turns on one of its own. He'd apply for promotions but get passed over. He'd be hit with negative performance reviews. And dinged for tiny violations of protocol or policy.

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The minute that I arrested Mel Gibson, I went from... I had 13 years of outstanding evaluations, and then the day that I arrested Mel Gibson, I couldn't fill out a car inspection slip right without getting written up for it.

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What do you attribute that to?

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What do I attribute that to? Supervision. I was being targeted by the supervision by the Sheriff.

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In 2010, Deputy Mea filed a lawsuit against LA County for damages related to religious discrimination, harassment, and a work environment as a result of the Mill gives an arrest.

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I didn't care about money. In fact, I even told the attorney, I don't care what you get, and I don't care what you do with the money. The only thing I was trying to do was force all the inevitable, which they were trying to fire me over the incident.

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Eventually, Deputy Mead did get fired after a car he followed crashed into a gas station. The Department said he'd violated their policy on pursuits, turning off his red and blue lights at the wrong time.

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The chief had his opportunity now to fire me. They fired me for those reasons, and they said, Oh, it had nothing to do with Mel Gibson. But nobody in the department, in the history of the department, even if I was guilty of all of those sins, nobody in the department has ever been fired for any of the stuff that happened there. They wanted me gone, and now they had their opportunity. And thank God, I had a Union attorney that said he wasn't going to let that happen, and he fought for me. So That's why. I fought for myself, too.

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The DA never charged Deputy Me or anyone else in the Gibson leak to TMZ. The Office of Independent Review, a civilian oversight body, found that three Sheriff's Department employees had showed Gibson preferential treatment in violation of policy surrounding his release. One of the central incidents was the decision to drive Gibson back to his car at the tow lot on PCH. Deputy Mee settled his lawsuit with the Sheriff's Department for $50,000 in damages, and in 2015, he got his job back. At that point, he wasn't sure he wanted He retired in 2022.

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I was burned out. The only thing I wanted to do was survive. I knew in my head, at least it was in my head, that the longer I could stay at the station, or not the station, but stay with the Sheriff's Department, the more people I pissed off.

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When Matrice was arrested in 2009, James Me was long gone from Los Tell Station. But I asked him about the incident anyway, because the contrast to the Mel Gibson arrest was just so stark. This really makes me wonder what would have happened if you had been one of the deputies who responded at Joffreys.

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Yeah, that would have never happened. In my opinion, knowing the circumstances that I know would have never happened. They had a situation. They had to diffuse it, and the best thing to do was get her out of there. The concern probably would have been if they gave her a ticket and said, Don't drive the car. She would have driven the car. But it was a misdemeanor arrest to begin with. Knowing the circumstances, not only would I have issued the ticket, but based on her condition, if I thought it wasn't safe for her to drive, I'd have driven her home.

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We can't know what Deputy Mee would have done, but one thing is for sure. If Maitrise had been driven back to her car to the same tow yard where Gibson was driven, it would have saved her life. Next time on Lost Hills.

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When we picked up the skull, a spinal cord came up with it, including other bones. And we laid that down on the body bag. And that's when some idiot at the command post on the corner side said, Oh, I'll put it back.

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Can you hear me now? I'm Dr. Larry Santos, and I'm devoting the new season of my podcast, The Happiness Lab, to topics that are dear to my heart, with people dear to my heart, like my mom. Wait a minute. Let me put the TV on. I'll be finding out why I personally struggle so badly with perfectionism, stress, and even sitting still and doing nothing. But I feel like I'm bad at boredom because you're bad at boredom. Yeah. No, I didn't do well with doing nothing. And once I find out why these things affect me so badly, I'm hoping to do something about it. So join me on my journey wherever you get your podcasts.