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I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil: The 7M TikTok Cult. And I'm Clea gray, former member of 7M Films and Chicana Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shoshana Church. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, I'm Giana Pradenti. And I'm Jamai Jackson-Gadston. We're the host of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Mori to Harry Poer. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you your podcast. I'm Kerry Champion, and this is season 4 of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clarke versus Angel Reece.

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Kay hasn't heard from her sister in seven years.

I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do.

What was that? That was live audio of a woman's night mirror.

Can Kay trust her sister or is history repeating itself?

There's nothing dangerous about what you're doing.

They're just dreams.

Dream Sequence is a new horror thriller from Blumhouse Television, iHeartRadio, and realm. Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Missing in Arizona contains graphic depictions of violence and may not be suitable for all listeners. When I investigate these cases, my first task is to earn the trust of victims, loved ones, and law enforcement. I have to prove that I'm not some blood-sucking parasite just here for a few days to extract trauma, microwave it, and pop out watery entertainment trash. So many people hate the media, and I get it. I've been on both sides, interviewer, interviewee. I've seen media repeatedly get things wrong. And when you read or watch or hear something false reported as fact, of course you're going to lose trust. Many years ago, I quit grad school and gave up on the idea of a full-time journalism career. I left my apartment in New York and moved to a shack in Oregon. My journey back is bizarre. A 10-year odyssey culminating in season one, Michigan, Alaska. Now I'm free. Here's what I see. I see a news industry self-immolating at the altar of objectivity, leached of value by private equity and big tech, captive to insincere bias accusations as its favorability sinks into the sewer alongside Pennywise, who at this point might be more trusted.

I see media bosses preach free speech, then muzzle employees with opinions, or worse, hire employees who have none, vanilla automaton scribes. I see a bipolar political media, either sycophantic or unnecessarily pugilistic. I see hack profiteers in charge of the entertainment industry, Doltish gatekeepers, breaking the bones of narrative innovation. I see entertainment companies put up pride flags while funding demagogs. I also see thousands of local and regional reporters working hard for little pay because they care about their communities. I hope you see them, too. In the true crime industry, I see predatory sponges who soak up other people's labor and squeeze out uncredited derivative works for clout and cash. In the process, they have, I suppose, created a new genre, Half True Crime. Take Crime Junkie, one of the most popular shows in the world, a show that faced repeated allegations of plagiarism, a show that won best crime podcast at this year's iHeartPodcast Awards. In 2018, Crime Junkie did an episode on Robert Fischer. Here's some of what they said. Robert Fischer was off work on April ninth, 2001. False. And spent the day installing selling attic insulation. False. And got an oil change. False.

That evening, he took his daughter, Brittany, to a church event. False. Police suspect he used gasoline to help burn down his house. False. It took hours for the house to burn down. False. He frequented strip clubs. False. He had a black lab named Blue. False. Who shows up in home videos. False. Mary's forerunner was wiped clean. False. There wasn't a single fingerprint, hair, or fiber on or in it. False. Police found footprints leading from the SUV to a cave. False. Spalunker's searched the cave with robot cameras. False. I understand that I have the luxury of spending years on a single story. I find details others miss. In this case, I don't blame Arizona reporters, the police, or the FBI for making mistakes. They worked hard in 2001, and they're too busy wrangling today's chaos to focus full-time on the past. On the other hand, I have no problem calling out entertainers who can't even get basic facts correct, but go on to Fame and fortune by freeloading off actual journalists. They are toxic copy and pasters who perpetuate myths and pollute case canon. They do tangible harm, and they waste your time. You can't solve mysteries with fake clues.

For example, the footprint's allegedly found leading from Mary's SUV to a cave. Fascinating, if true. But it's not. Why should you care? Well, if I say When police found footprints from the SUV to a cave, but no return tracks, you might think, understandably, that Robert died by suicide in the cave. His body must be in there somewhere. But if I say, No, that's false. Your mind opens up. Maybe he's alive, and maybe you'll help us look for him. The small stuff matters. Details matter. From iHeartRadio and Neon 33, I'm John Walzack, and this is Missing in Arizona. The story of a man who disappeared after allegedly killing his wife and kids, blowing up their suburban home, and escaping into the wilderness. 23 years later, I'm hunting Robert Fischer, and I need your help. The early confused days of this case gave birth to myths that persist today, including the Man in the Woods and the Footprints. The Man in the Woods. We received information from a witness, a citizen, who had observed what he thought to be the vehicle of Mr. Fisher and the dog of Mr. Fisher, and in fact, saw a person that he thought was Mr. Fisher.

This statement about a mystery man in the woods is incorrect. It's based on erroneous early reports. Right now, all indications are that he is alive. We know he was seen yesterday morning at 11:00 by the witness, the original witness, and that he's on the move. Notice This is how a vague sighting got more specific. We know the witness saw Fisher yesterday at 11:00 AM. That's false. Greg, the camper who found the SUV, never saw anyone in the woods. Meanwhile, the Arizona Republic reported that pilots with the State Department of Public Safety or DPS, also saw the man in the woods near a cave. A man was spotted on the ground between the truck and the cave. He appeared aware that the police helicopter was overhead. It was unclear whether the man was armed or how long he had been in the area. This is false. The pilots didn't see anyone. My goal here is not to humiliate law enforcement. In fact, debunking this myth makes them look better. Early on, they were heavily criticized for flying over the SUV before reaching it on the ground, possibly alerting Fisher that they found him, giving him time to run.

But since the man in the woods is myth, not fact, this is moot. I'm also not trying to slam the Arizona Republic. Reporters covering breaking news do their best to determine which rumors are true. Sometimes they make mistakes. It's okay to admit that, to fix it. The problem is that the original false version often lives on no matter what. This is also true of the footprints. The grid search covered approximately 500 yards in a one-mile square, trying to locate any footprint. Everyone scans dirt and snow, looking for tracks. In fact, a helicopter search of the area spotted footprints where Fisher's car and dog were found on Friday. A track that has been found leaving the area where the truck was. Wait, they did find footprints? Yes, they did. A mile or so south of the truck. A mile from the SUV, not leading from the SUV to a cave. Going down into the reservation area.

The tracks went down, but there was no tracks coming back out. The size of the boot trim.

Size 13. I don't know if it's him. It's not.

Something about his physical appearance that nobody ever mentions. It's He had small feet.

John Rodin, a Fisher family friend. He had size 8 feet.

Unusual.

Really?

Yeah.

You cannot change your feet size that much.

Marybeth Rodin, John's wife. How sure are you that it was size 8? Is that a guess?

I'm pretty sure.

If it wasn't size 8, it was size 9, which is still small.

It was not size 13.

No, it was not even size 10.

Little bitty feet. When they found the forerunner, they found a set of size 13 prints leading away from it.

Those were not his feet. No way. I have a long list of questions, and this was one that I just didn't think anybody would remember his shoes size.

No, he did because it was weird.

We went hunting, we shared a tent with him, and it was like, Wow, you got small feet.

So the rodents say Robert wore an 8 a nine shoe. In addition, the sneakers police found in his work locker were a 9.5. Neither is even close to a 13. In the end, myth. Police found Robert Fisher's footprints leading from Mary's forerunner to a cave. Verdict. Police did find prints, size 13, a mile away, likely left by someone scavenging for elk antlers. Myth. The Arizona DPS pilots and Greg, the camper, saw the man in the woods, Probably Robert Fisher. Verdict. False. A few weeks after the search ends, Hela County Detective Brian Havy boards a helicopter in Payson. Then we flew at night time over the entire area looking for campfires. Close your eyes. You're in a helicopter, flying under a blanket of stars, trying to spot flickering dots in a vast obsidian forest.

Nights up there can be rather cool.

Maybe he would have a campfire that we could pinpoint. And we GPS-located five to seven of them. And then we followed up on foot and patrol vehicles. What area did you search? Virtually all the woods within three or four miles, five house. Of the forerunner. And none of those leads panned out? No. On May 11, 2001, police finally tracked down Greg, the camper, who located Mary's forerunner 22 days earlier. Greg left Arizona before they could meet him in person, so they interview him by phone at his brother's house in Oregon. They find him highly suspicious. Why did he flee so quickly? Why did he disappear for weeks? Did he help Robert escape? Four days later, they get copies of security tapes from cameras at the gas station where Greg used a pay phone to call his friends who in turn called the police. There's no sign of Greg or Robert on the tapes. May 28th, Memorial Day. A blazing summer begins. June 23rd, 28-year-old Hanehansor joins a flight simulator club in Phoenix. Soon, he'll pilot a plane into the Pentagon. July 10th, a Phoenix FBI agent pens a memo, Warning of the possibility of a coordinated effort by Osama bin Laden to send students to the US to attend civil aviation schools.

July 19th. The Maricopa County Attorney's Office releases an indictment charging Robert Fischer with murder and arson. The longer he evades authorities, the more he melts into state lore. A homicidal phantom, wandering the wilderness alongside the likes of the Muggie on Monster, Arizona's Bigfoot. His SUV may have been found, but triple murder suspect, Robert Fischer, has never ever been located. With that in mind, Hela County authorities are planning a second all-out manhunt for Fisher in hopes of finding him, dead or alive. Robert Fisher is the primary suspect in the murder of his wife and two children men, whose bodies were found in their burning Scottsdale home last April. Scottsdale police say the home was rigged to explode in order to hide the homicides. Even though Fisher hasn't been seen since the incident, Scottsdale police believe believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. We have to base our investigations on fact. We have no evidence to show that Robert Fisher is dead. He may or may not be living somewhere in that area. Nothing would please us more than to find the body. The search is scheduled for August and is being billed as a, quote, training exercise, but it will no doubt focus on the numerous caves found in the area where Fischer's SUV was discovered.

But the search never takes place. The County Sheriff cancels it, saying, We've turned up no new leads. We're satisfied that the chances he's up there are slim to none. August 11th. Nearly seven million people watch America's Most Wanted, which features a four-minute segment on Fisher. It generates 52 new leads. August 18th, 5:49 PM. A man calls the TV tip line from Pietro's Italian restaurant in Chester, Virginia, just south of Richmond. This is Robert Fisher, he says. You'll never catch me. I'm glad I killed the bitch. The call is brief. It isn't recorded. Scottsdale Detective John Kirkum tells the media, Some things were said in the call that led us to believe it was Robert Fisher. Police in Virginia find no proof the collar was actually Fisher. For a time, they stake out the restaurant to no avail. September 10th, 2001. The Arizona Republic runs a quick update. Officials now concede he, meaning Fisher, may be dead. 9/11. We just had a plane crash into Alpha 4 of the World Trade Center, transmit a second alarm and start relocating companies into the area. Yeah, hi. How do you think she found a owner from the 21.

Yeah. You guys should call a Manhattan dispatch and let them know I have never seen so much smoke coming through a building as I see from the World Trade Center by the waterfront here. It's unbelievable. They have to be on the news stations. They only gave a second alarm? This is like a long sea on it. It You should go to a fifth instantly. You can see the side of that building. It looks like numerous floors exploded out. It's insane right now. Somebody asked for every available ambulance that they could possibly get over there. This is going to be the event of the century. Only a month after America's Most Wanted elevates Fischer to national prominence, 9/11 wipes him away. He falls into a fugitive sweet spot. The post-9/11 pre-social media, pre-smartphone Donut Hole. Federal resources and public attention turn to terrorism. On October 25th, as the US bombs the Taliban in Afghanistan, Detective Kirkham tells the Arizona Republic that Fisher is likely alive believe, I don't believe that he's up in the woods. I don't believe that he committed suicide. He was not intent on taking his own life. His intent was to take care of his problem and move on with his life.

No remorse, no regret. He's probably living in another state and working at some menial job. I think that we'll probably find him. It may be tomorrow. It may be years down the road. It depends on us finding the mistake he made that we haven't picked up on yet or on him making a mistake.

For decades, the Mafia had New York City in a stranglehold, with law enforcement seemingly powerless to intervene.

It uses terror to extort people.

But the murder of Carmen Galante marked the beginning of the end, sparking a chain of events that would ultimately dismantle the most powerful crime organization in American history.

It sent the message to them that we can prosecute these people.

Discover how a group of young prosecutors took on the Mafia, and with the help of law enforcement, brought down its most powerful figures.

These bosses on the commission had no idea what was coming their way from the federal government.

From Wolf Entertainment and iHeartPodcast, this is Law and Order Criminal Justice System. Listen to Law and Order Criminal Justice System on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Jess Cossabetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea gray, former member of 7M Films and Chicana Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA Bayes Shoshana Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful in-depth interviews with former members and new chilling first-hand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more than an exploration. It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, I'm Gianna Prudenti. And I'm Jemai Jackson-Gadston. We're the host of Let's Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeartPodcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions, like, How do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed?

Or, Can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes. Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts who do, like Resume Specialist, Morgan Sanner. The only The difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about that quote. What is it? Like, you miss 100% of the shots you never take. Yeah, rejection is scary, but it's better than you rejecting yourself. Together, we'll share what it really takes to thrive in the early years of your career without sacrificing your sanity or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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We think of Franklin as the doddering dude flying a kite in no rain, but those experiments are the most important scientific discoveries of the time.

I'm Evan Ratliff. Last season, we tackled the ingenuity of Elon Musk with biographer Walter Isaacson. This time, we're diving into the story of Benjamin Franklin, another genius who's desperate to be dusted off from history.

His media empire makes him the most successful, self-made businessperson in America. I mean, he was never early to bet and early rise type person. He's enormously famous. Women start wearing their hair in what was called the coiffeur à la Franklin.

And who's more relevant now than ever.

The only other person who could have possibly been the first president would have been Benjamin Franklin. But he's too old and wants Washington to do it.

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I was the first agent assigned.

Robert Caldwell.

Scottsdale came to the FBI to help find him because they had probable cause to believe he fled the state. So therefore, the FBI now has jurisdiction to assist them. If a fugitive fled the state, it's called on awful flight to avoid prosecution. So they came to us, sat down with their detectives. We went through everything, developed a ton of leads, came up with some investigative strategies, and went to work.

Caldwell starts digging into Fisher's past, including his childhood.

Nothing came up that was ever like he was a trouble kid or did drugs or...

Killed animals.

No, nothing at all.

Caldwell immediately knows that the case is cooler than cool. It's ice cold. Publicity is key. On April 4, 2002, days before the first anniversary of the murders, he and Detective Kirkum, host a one hour public chat on FBI. Gov. Two months later, the bureau deploys its most valuable PR weapon. Fisher is still very much a priority with the FBI. He's on the 10 Most Wanted list, right along with the likes of Osama bin Laden, Eric Rudolf. There is Robert William Fischer. At the time, Eric Rudolf, the Olympic Park bomber, is hiding in the forested mountains of North Carolina. Bin Laden is on the run in Afghanistan or Pakistan. His last known location was the Tora Bora Cave complex. Rudolf is arrested in 2003. Bin Laden dies in 2011. Only Fischer remains free.

42-year-old Robert Fischer is a fugitive.

He is a phantom. He is a hunting figure in the history of Arizona. On August 7, 2002, the Arizona Republic runs a poll on its website. What do you think happened to Robert Fischer? Escaped and is living in the US, 80%, killed himself after the murders, 9%, still in Arizona, 7%, died of exposure while on the run shortly after the murders, 4%. The next few years speed by. The US invades Iraq. Facebook launches. Hurricane Katrina hits New Orleans. Kanye, the Killers, and Taylor Swift break into pop culture. Nothing much happens with Fisher case. In April 2006, at the five-year mark, Detective Kirkham tells the Republic, No one believes he's dead in a cave. We would have found some trace of his body by now. Three months later, Kirkham, only 47, dies of a stroke. Summer 2006, multiple serial killers stalked the Phoenix Metro, including the Baseline killer and the serial shooter. I was heavily involved in that investigation. Scottsdale Lieutenant, Lockerbie. These guys running around Phoenix just shooting at people and killing them. The serial shooter, not to be confused with the Phoenix serial street shooter, the Phoenix freeway shooter, or the Scottsdale spree shooter, different cases, ends up being two men, meth old roommates who kill eight people, including one in Scottsdale.

Police arrest them on August 3, 2006. A month later, they identify and arrest the baseline killer. With the help of Steven Pitt, a forensic psychiatrist who himself is murdered, in 2018 by the Scottsdale spree shooter. I don't want to give you the wrong idea. Despite a few high-profile crimes, Scottsdale is, for the most part, incredibly safe. In 2023, with a population of 245,000, it had one homicide. It's very much a Metropolitan area, just a suburb of Phoenix. Here we are in Phoenix, Arizona. Yeah, this is a cool place.

Excuse me. Scottsdale, Arizona. Pardon me.

For a while, the Fisher case is in limbo. So police are busy chasing serial killers. But... By 2007, I take it over and I meet Bob Caldwell, immerse myself, start talking to the family members. Including Mary's dad, Bill Cooper. Two years later, in December 2009, Bill dies. April 23, 2011, The Arizona Republic. Headline, FBI manhunt still on for Robert Fischer. Suspect in murders in '01 likely is alive. Agent Caldwell says, All our evidence has been that he's the guy who wouldn't go kill himself. He took a lot of belongings from the home, clothing, guns, like he was moving himself out. None of that stuff was found in the vehicle. He's out there hunting, fishing, chewing tobacco with a sore back. In the lobby of the FBI's Phoenix office, a wanted poster of Fisher, hangs directly above Osama bin Laden. Nine days later, Navy Seals kill bin Laden in Pakistan. In April 2012, the Pace and Roundup reports that the FBI, quote, believes Fisher may be living in the Blue Ridge Reservoir area as a hermit or squatting in a trailer, cabin, or an old home in the woods. Fisher walks with an exaggerated, upright walk, has a bad back, probably has long hair, and is homeless-looking.

In 2014, Hugh Lockerbie, then a detective, tells the Arizona Republic, Fisher is likely living somewhere out West, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana, Arizona, even Canada. Anywhere where he can hunt, fish, keep a low profile. In 2016, at the 15-year mark, the FBI releases age-progress images of Fisher. There's no reason to believe he's dead, they say. Bob Caldwell later retires, but he remains deeply invested in this case and retains a strong personal animosity towards Fisher.

He thinks he's a real man's man when he's not. He's not a lady's man. He's a failure of life. He's a bully to women. I don't think he's got the guts to come forward. He's a piece of shit. If he is alive, he needs to be brought to justice. I don't care if there's somebody else out there that's like, Well, he's good to me, whatever. No, there's a bigger picture here. Now, he's going to get his justice one day. It's going to be up there or down there, whichever. But it's going to happen one day. But he needs to get his justice here first.

In Scottsdale, Hugh Lockerbie is promoted from Detective to Lieutenant. He began his career as a Patrol officer, whose beat included the Fisher house. In fact, he was working the night of the murders. I wonder how close I was to Fisher.

I wish I could retrace my steps. How close did I drive by his house?

How close did I drive by the bank?

Did I pass him when he was leaving town?

On November 3, 2021, the FBI removes Fisher from its 10 Most Wanted List. According to the Associated Press, he's only the 11th person since 1950, removed before apprehension, death, or dismissal of charges. And that, more or less, brings us to today. The current investigators are Scottsdale Detective John Heinzelman and FBI Special Agent Taylor Hannah. Can you tell me the FBI's official position on whether or not Robert Fischer is alive or dead?

There is no official position. My background is in science. Previous to this, I was working on my PhD in biology, so I approach this case very scientifically. There are a hundred thousand pet theories, hypotheses out there of what happened to Fisher. And so I really wanted to approach this case with none of those. I wanted re examine all the facts and the actual evidence and see what we could do with that. What I did not want to do is come on and create any theories or hypotheses based on just my assumptions. I would say the bureau has no stance. I think we are open to the fact that he could be dead or alive, and that obviously we are going to try to find him either way.

So Fischer was on the 10 Most Wanted list from 2002 to 2021. Can you talk about the criteria for how somebody gets included on the list and why he was removed?

Sure. So the criteria typically is just how beneficial is going to be to that case. There are a lot of really bad people out there. There are a lot of people that have done crimes very similar to Robert Fischer. It happens every day in America, sadly, and not all of them on the top 10 list. He was initially added to get his picture out there, to get the story out there in hopes someone would see him after 20 years. All those tips didn't lead to the resolution of his case yet or to finding him. Opposed to taking up one of those spots that could be used for another case, that's why we decided to take him off the top 10.

Agent Hannah and Detective Heinzelman still leads almost every week.

Maybe there's somebody out there that knows him or helped him along the way. Even 20 years ago, that says, Well, he called me and I gave him a ride, or I picked him up where the forerunner was and I drove him to Flagstaff or whatever it is. But I always thought that law enforcement was going to figure that out. They were going to catch him, so I didn't want to come forward. And now I'm finally saying, Okay, I'm older. I'm going to come forward. I'm going to talk.

Investigators ask me to emphasize this point. If you know something, please speak If you had an affair with Robert Fischer, if you helped him escape, if you know him today and you're worried about legal culpability, you're not the target. Fischer is. Please come forward to law enforcement or to me. In the meantime, Scott Neil and the FBI are always looking for ways to develop new leads. For example, we geographically cluster all the tips at one point to see if there were any hotspots.

And there was one identified. There was a time frame where people unrelated were reporting someone that matched his description in a certain area, and that was one that really got our attention. We sent agents prior to me coming to the case to interview all those people and obviously to search. This was a fisherman that was transient through that area, so it's still hard. But again, you find Fisher, you call.

What area? Here, just call that number right there.

I will make sure that they get your information.

That's right. I actually do not remember just because I've gone through so many. I just remember it's town we're all fishermen, so they knew all the people coming and going. This was a new individual that came through town that resembled Robert Fischer, and there were multiple reports seemingly unrelated.

Was it in the US?

It was. It was in the US.

As far as physical evidence, what might exist today and what could it tell us? Investigators don't know for sure what Fischer took with him and what burned in the fire. None of his belongings were ever located. They think he took a 38 revolver, camping supplies, clothing, and...

A bike that he did use pretty frequently was missing, and we would have found remnants of the bike. Up next.

That is Robert Fisher's mountain bike that he gave me.

For decades, the Mafia had New York City in a stranglehold, with law enforcement seemingly powerless to intervene.

It uses terror to extort people.

But the murder of Carmen Galante marked the beginning of the end, sparking a chain of events that would ultimately dismantle the most powerful crime organization in American history.

It sent the message to them that we can prosecute these people.

Discover how a group of young prosecutors took on the Mafia, and with the help of law enforcement, brought down its most powerful figures.

These bosses on the commission had no idea what was coming their way from the federal government.

From Wolf Entertainment and iHeart Podcasts, this This is Law and Order Criminal Justice System. Listen to Law and Order Criminal Justice System on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Jess Cossavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil: The 7M TikTok Cult. And I'm Clea gray, former member of 7M Films and Chicana Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA Bay Chicana Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high control groups and interview dancers, church members and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful in-depth interviews with former members and new chilling first-hand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive me for I have I Have Followed will be more than an exploration. It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, I'm Giana Pradenti. And I'm Jemai Jackson-Gadston. We're the host of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeartPodcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions.

Like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed. Or, Can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes. Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts who do, like Resume Specialist, Morgan Sanner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about that quote. What is it? You miss 100% of the shots you never take. Yeah, rejection is scary, but it's better than you rejecting yourself. Together, we'll share what it really takes to thrive in the early years of your career without sacrificing your sanity or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. In 1982, Atari players had one thing on their minds: sword Quest. This wasn't just a new game. Atari promised 150 grand in prizes to four finalists, but the prizes disappeared. What started as a video game promotion became one of the most controversial moments in '80s pop culture.

I just don't believe they exist. It would be my reaction, shock and awe. That sword was amazing. It was so beautiful.

I'm Jamie Loftis. Join me this spring for The Legend of sword Quest, a podcast about the fall of Atari and the disappearing sword Quest prizes. We'll follow the quest for lost treasure across four gates.

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For updates, visit neon33. Com or follow me on Twitter @johnwalzack, J-O-N-W-A-L-C-Z-A-K. Thanks for listening. Jim Rodin knew the entire Fisher family. He was Robert's friend and Brittany's youth pastor. His brother John and sister-in-law Marybeth are the couple you heard earlier who remembered Robert's shoe size. Jim, John, and Robert went hunting together. They also went camping with their wives and kids. Brittany was even at Jim's house two days before the murders for a sleepover with friends supervised by Jim's wife. So I was surprised to hear that.

Scottsdale PD never interviewed me. Really? Never interviewed me. That was the weirdest thing. It's like, I knew his daughter. I spoke at the memorial. Did the FBI interview him? No, never interviewed me. He's never been interviewed. Never been interviewed.

Jim met Robert in the '90s. At the time, many people called him Bob. What did Jim call him?

Not Bob. It's Robert. I toy with people's names just to poke him around. I'm Pastor Cupcake. And my wife, after this whole thing went down, she was half convinced that we were going to hear him outside our window whispering, Hey, Pastor Cupcake. Like he'd be on the lamb and maybe come to our house and say, Pastor Cupcake. So there It was that silly relationship. What was that sense of humor like? Eating all the cupcakes that Mary made and him calling me Pastor Cupcake. He got a kick out of that. Lying in a tent, and I'm a little bit of a youngest child shock jockey, and I think I was mimicking a gangbanger hunting. We're going to sleep, and I'm just talking inner-city talk without the F-bomb word. But he was rolling. He just thought, Gangsta's going hunting. And I had him rolling it because he loved that good old boy, Americana, military, red neck, outdoorsmen, Copenhagen, tobacco, fishing, Cabela's. You got it. Bass Pro Shop, though it wasn't there at the time. Had his own little fishing boat and pickup truck. He was a gym rat, and he would ride that mountain bike.

The missing bike.

Every day, he was putting miles on that mountain bike. I happened to own that mountain bike. About a year before this whole thing went down, he gave me that mountain bike as a gift, which I was stunned. But I had a mountain bike stolen. My first year of marriage, it was a brand new specialized Stump Jumper comp. Left it behind at my parents house. They were broken into. Got a phone call. Bike's gone. I used the insurance money to pay my seminary bill. Robert knew that story, and this is probably five years later. He invited me over to the house one night, and he said, Hey, I want to give you something. I want to give you this. And I'm like, Whoa. I remember when he bought that bike and just going, That is a nice mountain bike. Never said anything to him, but he knew the story of me losing my mountain bike. And so he gave me that bike, and that was probably a year or a year and a half.

Before the murders.

Somewhere around 1999. At the time, it was just like, no way. I feel really loved by this guy. I've invested in his life, spiritually, and is encouraging him in the ways the in his marriage. And this seemed to be him just saying, Hey, thanks. Peace. You still have the bike? I do.

We go to his garage.

That is Robert Fisher's mountain bike that he gave me.

It's in pretty good shape.

Yeah, aluminum. That was the top of the wine specialized mountain bike, and that was probably a $2,800 bike.

About $5,400 today. So this is the bike that the FBI thinks is missing?

Probably. But he gave it to me a year before he did this thing.

You still ride it?

Yeah.

We head back inside and speak of salvation. Can Robert Fischer be redeemed in the eyes of his God?

Absolutely, eternally, forgiven and redeemed. Absolutely. That is the scriptures, and that is the Jesus that we proclaim. As far as a debt to society, that's a different set of ethics. It's the Ted Bundy story. Ted Bundy claims to have fully confessed, repented with remorse, and received Jesus as personal Lord and savior. But the next day, he's going to the electric chair. And I'm fine with that set of ethics. Isaiah 53, Surely he has borne our griefs and the pain that we've taken on from other people sinning against us, but also our personal expressions of sin and sinfulness. He carried that to the cross as God incarnates It. If there's not hope for a murderer, there's not hope for anyone. You can be forgiven eternally, but there will be consequences. The best story is that you go man up, turn yourself in, let the judges sort that out, cast your soul upon the grace God. Let him sort out your soul and your crimes. The Lord is merciful and forgiving for the repentant soul.

Do you feel like it's possible for him to be redeemed if he lives an alternative life and never comes forth and pays for that to society?

No, because that's the secret. Nothing ever gets better festering in the darkness. That's evidence of an unrepentant heart. A repentant heart pulls it out into the light. They want to live before God and man, even if they've got to pay the price. I did this, I'll repay. What does restitution look like? I I can't make restitution, but I'm going to have to be taken out. So capital punishment is...

If he surfaced today, would you be willing to meet with a council?

100%. I've known that, and I go, I'd visit him. I'd visit pretty much anyone in prison. Absolutely.

If he's out there, will you speak to him spiritually about where he stands now and what he has to do to find redemption?

The simple path forward is 1 John 1:9. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. When we bring ourselves out into the light and we confess, and which means say the same thing about it that God says about it. Amolegao is the Greek. Just say, admit it. It's It's wrong. It's detestable. It's an infinite, eternal violation of God's goodness and Holiness. And I stand condemned. No matter what the law, the courts do to you, to find forgiveness before a righteous and loving judge. Running in this lifetime, that gets you nothing. Just slight delay in judgment day, which relative to eternity, it's like that's spit in the ocean. So come clean before it's too late. Confess your sin. Come out into the light. Face up to what you did. Find redemption before the Lord. I would certainly visit him, say, Man, tell me all about it. I don't hate you as an image bearer. We've all done terrible things. This is extreme. But in terms of needing a redeemer, a savior, we're on equal ground before the foot of the cross.

Jim and I know this message isn't for everyone. It's for an audience of one. Robert, if you're listening, if you believe in God, if you believe in Hell, if you don't want to go to Hell.

Come forward. Come into the light.

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