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Summer 2023. I'm in Phoenix when I get a text from a law enforcement source. I received some photos of a hideout about one to 2 miles from where Fisher's dog was found. I'm sending them to you. The gps coordinates are with the photos.

This kind of lead makes me salivate. An excuse to leave the city, go to the mountains, hike in a forest, and search for a mysterious shack. Yes, please. I open google maps, put in the coordinates, and soon. We are 16 miles north of where Mary Fisher's forerunner was found.

Not as close as my source said, but still, it's better than boiling in a concrete metropolis with 1.7 million people during the hottest month in any american city in history. Chris and I drive 90 miles north to Payson, a mountain town of 17,000. I need caffeine and sugar, so we stop at my favorite Arizona cafe, common grounds coffee. I get an iced coffee and one of the best cinnamon rolls I've ever had. Passing payson, we bump our way down dirt roads until my phone tells me we're close to the cryptic cabin, about a mile away, jittery with anticipation, and from caffeine, we park, exit, and hike into the woods.

We're in a ponderosa pine forest is partly cloudy and high. Seventies, low eighties, very breezy and pretty. We're probably 1011, 12 miles off any kind of paved road, and we're about to hike a mile to the coordinates that we have for this little shack or cabin that somebody found. There's all this equipment and old stuff in there, so, I mean, what are the odds Robert Fisher was there? It's low.

But who knows? If I find a pistol with the right serial number or some old wintergreen chewing tobacco tins, maybe we'll pay more attention to it. I don't think this will take as long as it seems. Famous last words. Well, wait.

Tutorial on the bear spray so Chris and I went to sporting a goods store yesterday and bought frontiersman bear attack deterrent. Bear attacks on humans are rare, but in June 2023, right before our hike, a black bear killed a man as he drank coffee near Prescott, Arizona, dragging him 75ft down an embankment. And this isn't even the first time we've had to worry about bears in season one missing in Alaska. While on a boat off the coast of a remote island searching for a missing plane, we spotted a brown bear on a nearby beach. So, yeah, I take bears seriously.

Oh, my God, Chris. It's a bear. Just kidding. So we're kind of switchbacking down this very steep embankment, what looks like a dried out creek bed. It's getting thicker.

The woods, pine needles everywhere. It's pretty cloudy now. It's cool. It's breezy. The little rock outcroppings.

Look at what we're doing. 11:51 a.m. on a Tuesday, and we're looking for some mysterious shock in the woods in Arizona.

From iHeartRadio and Neon 33, I'm John Wolzak, and this is missing in Arizona. The story of a man who disappeared after allegedly killing his wife and kids, blowing up their suburban home, and escaping into the wilderness. 23 years later. I'm hunting Robert Fisher, and I need your help.

Robert Fisher is nowhere, everywhere, all at once. There are so many leads and sightings of him, they require their own episode. Some are intriguing, some are absurd. I want to lay them all out and let you decide what to make of them. So join me on a tour of the world.

From a bunker in Scottsdale to a Walmart in Payson, Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Australia, even a sighting at FBI headquarters. Until we find Fisher, he is every lead. He is the wilderness cabin burglar, the gold panning hermit, the mysterious man in the canyon. As you listen, think of how exhausting this has been for law enforcement. Thousands of leads, few investigators.

Schrodinger's fugitive alive and dead. The nosy neighborhood. The nosy neighbor is the woman who heard Robert and Mary fighting the night of April 9, 2001. She didnt respond to my emails, calls, texts, or letters and didnt answer the door when I showed up at her house in episode three, I shared emails her son sent me. I bleeped certain things and said, id reveal them later.

This is the first reveal. A fascinating new lead. Heres what her son said day after the Fisher house blew up. She saw him, Robert Fisher, driving his wifes vehicle down Miller towards McDowell near the Fisher house and turn east, which he never drove. Till that event.

Robert rarely drove Mary's forerunner and told the cops about him and where he was heading and was ignored. This is a bombshell claim. According to her son, the nosy neighbor saw Robert Fisher in Scottsdale a day after the murders. Unfortunately, I can't verify or debunk it without speaking to her, and she doesn't want to talk? The bunker.

On the morning of April 12, 2001, two days after the house explodes, an employee of the Mesa, Arizona, fire department finds an anonymous handwritten letter left overnight between the locked doors of station number one, Robert Fisher, where the three family died in the fire, McDowell and Scottsdale Road. He has a trapdoor bomb shelter under his house. He may be over under his house. Look for three by three door under carpet. Good luck.

Police find no sign of a bunker under Fisher's house. Rye Barr. Let me introduce you now to Brianna Whitney, the true crime queen of Arizona. Brianna is a reporter for Arizona's family, a group of three tv stations in Phoenix, and host of the popular podcast true crime Arizona. In 2022, she made a documentary called finding Robert Fisher.

Briana is skilled and tireless. Unlike so many people in this industry. She does original research. We meet in Phoenix and hit it off. In your career covering crime in Arizona, is there one case that sticks out as the greatest unsolved case in state history?

Is it Robert Fisher? It's Robert Fisher. I can say that without a doubt it is Robert Fisher. It is probably the most well known true crime case in Arizona. It just sticks with people.

And I think for that reason, that, for one thing, people, Arizonans, investigators, detectives, people involved, nobody can agree on whether they believe he's dead or alive right now. Yes, no doubt. 100%. This is the most notable, most intriguing, high profile missing person case that Arizona has. So there are five leads that you investigated that I just thought, wow, Briana did such a good job.

I'm not going to duplicate her work. Thank you. Let's start with the ry bar lead. Ah, the infamous rye bar lead. I didn't even know what Rye was when I started this investigation.

Because you could drive down the highway, blink, and you've already gone through it. Rye is a tiny town of 31 people an hour north of Scottsdale, just south of Payson. On April 10, 2001, the day the Fisher house explodes, a man and woman enter a bar in Rye around 06:45 p.m. it's cold outside. Nasty.

The woman appears upset. She goes to the bathroom. The man orders a shot of Johnnie Walker red whiskey. He pays cash, about $5, plus a $1 tip. When the bartender realizes she forgot her cell phone in the bathroom, she goes to get it and sees the man's companion vomiting in a stall.

The bartender snags her phone and returns to the bar. Moments later, the man's companion exits the bathroom. The man speaks, speaks to her briefly, then gets her club soda. The woman takes a tiny sip, then they leave. Theyre only in the bar for about ten minutes.

The man is 38 or 39. The bartender says, 6ft tall, 100 9200 pounds, with crew cut hair, wearing a brown fedora style hat. The woman is 28 or 29, five 2125 to 130 pounds, with brown eyes and long straight black hair in black pants and a black jacket. When the bartender sees a photo of Robert Fisher, she says, quote, that's the guy I saw. This is perhaps the most famous of all the Fisher case leads.

I don't buy it. The idea that Fisher successfully pulls off a triple murder, sets his home to explode, then just pops into a bar on the way out of town in a fedora is frankly absurd. Also, there's a part of this story that's never been reported. It supports my opinion. I found it in a police file around 10:00 p.m.

that night, 3 hours after the couple leaves the bar, the woman shows up at a house across the street where a friend of the bartender lives. The woman asks to use a phone to call her brother in Payson. She says her boyfriend left her and drove away instead of her brother. She calls the Gila county sheriff's office, trying to get a ride home. It's unclear what they tell her.

The woman departs on foot down a road carrying a blanket. The bartenders friend describes her as 355254, 100 pounds, brown hair, brown eyes, in a black suit jacket and black pants. If you believe this lead, you have to believe that a fedora wearing Robert Fisher left his girlfriend in rye and she later called the police asking for a ride, but was never identified. The grocery stores the problem with trying to find Robert Fisher is everyone looks like Robert Fisher. He's generic, no crazy tattoos, no eye patch.

A vanilla everyman. Right after the murders, a witness claims to see Fisher at a Walmart in Payson. I went to Walmart and went through about 10 hours of tapes. Gila county detective Brian Havey, after doing that, found out that their clocks were screwed up on their security cameras and that they hadn't replaced the tape. So I watched all that for nothing.

Almost immediately, another lead comes in. Scottsdale police tell three tv that there has been an unconfirmed sighting of Fisher reportedly seen at this grocery store in Payson Basha's, an Arizona grocery chain. Havey goes to Basha's and watches security tapes. He sees a man who could be Fisher. Interestingly, the man is with someone, but whatever videos I saw were so miserable that they were basically useless.

How much detail so grainy that you couldn't make out any details whatsoever. So, I mean, you could have had Robert Fisher on film, and it's so low quality. Or we could have had Deputy Rodney Kronk, who was identified as Robert Fisher on multiple occasions, driving his dodge truck or a county vehicle. It was almost a spot on match. Really?

Yeah. And he was with Gila county? Yeah. What was that like for him? Well, we teased him quite a bit about it, but the only thing he lacked was the golden.

Other than that, he looked just like Robert Fisher, the tow truck driver. I got information that a tow truck driver possibly pulled Fisher out of a ditch. Scottsdale detective TJ Duran. The reason why he believed it was Fisher, because it's the same truck that we eventually found, and he had a dog with him. So we believe that he was up on a rim area, probably driving around, trying to stay out of sight.

Do you remember specifically where that was? I believe it was up near Blue Ridge Reservoir, which is directly north of Payson in 2016. The Arizona Republic says this lead is, quote, the last known confirmed sighting of Fisher. That's not true. It's never been confirmed.

All we know is that a tow truck driver claims he pulled a man matching Fisher's description with a dog matching blue and an suv matching Mary's out of a ditch. What makes you think that lead in particular is a reliable lead, since it came after all the publicity, and it driver didn't speak up beforehand. I don't know if he just saw it at the time. It was like, whatever. But, I mean, he described Robert the dog, the forerunner.

Former FBI agent Bob Caldwell. I mean, he didn't do a tow slip, so he didn't take notes and write down the vehicle. And all he did was give him cash for thanking him, for pulling him out. The tow truck driver claims this happened a few days after the murders, but he doesn't report it until after the forerunner is located a week later. It is a long ways away from where young in the car was found to where he was pulled.

Scottsdale Lieutenant Hugh Lockerbie. I can't discount it. It was documented early on in the investigation by, you know, we had a deputy sheriff by the name of Gil Marino follow up on it for TJ, and that was documented in the report. And the guy described a silver forerunner with a dog in it. And the guy said he was from the valley.

But what doesn't make sense is when you look at what he told the sheriff deputy, and then TJ. And TJ's report was, after he pulled them out, comes out to the 87. The tow truck driver goes left, which would be back south on 87. And the four runner makes it right and goes north on 87. Well, that's in the mountain areas up there.

You don't get too young by just getting on a separate road. You'd have to take, like, I don't even know how you get there through forest roads. So if you take a right, you have to go all the way up to the 40 to Winslow or Holbrook or whatever, and then come all the way back down the backside of the Mogiana rent. It would be so far around, it take you hours and hours, or you would have to have gone right, like he did, like he described, and then after a little bit time, u turn and come back down south, because that's the quickest route. It just doesn't make any sense of why he went all the way up there and gets pulled out.

Did he get, like, he doesn't want to get exposed now, did that really even happen? I don't think it did. Neither does Gila county detective Brian havey. I've been to blue Ridge hundreds of times. There's so many people in and out of Blue Ridge reservoir road that I suspect that if Robert was stuck in a ditch there, somebody else would have pulled him out of the ditch instead of a tow truck.

Yeah, tow truck's not gonna go there without a call. They're not just gonna be driving around. No. Did he tell you anything that wasn't public? Who?

The tow truck driver? I don't think so, no. I'd love to speak to the driver to gage his trustworthiness, but unfortunately, guys dead.

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August 2023. Okay, so just to give you an idea, we're kind of on the side of a very steep embankment that goes down, maybe. What do you think that is? Like, 500ft. Very slippery slope.

Very steep. Lots of fallen trees, burned trees, rocks everywhere. Very slippery. We have boots, and this is not very safe. Hiking to the mystery cabin, we realize the terrain is much more severe than it appears on topo maps.

This is at least a 45 degree angle. Yeah, I think more start to feel it on my old, decrepit. Oh, there goes the rock. It's also getting darker and cloudier. It almost feels like a good storm.

This area has a colorful history. In 1927, a plane carrying a lion crashed in a canyon 20 miles south of here. Yes, a lion. Specifically, Leo the lion, the famous MGM mascot. There's still parts of the plane out there.

Gila county detective Brian Havey. Anybody that's been in this area as long as I have, have been to the side of the crash. What's left? Parts of the airplane that they never hauled out of there. I had a piece of the rear tail rudder for years and years, and finally it disappeared.

Or I gave it to somebody. Both Leo and the pilot survived. The pilot hiked out to get help. A week later, a group from Payson made it to the wrecked plane. Leo was still in his cage.

They fed him a slaughtered calf. And do you remember from the topo map, there's this. And then over there, it goes into like a longer canyon. And I think it's like, right where this hits that longer canyon. So I do think if we just cut kind of diagonal down, I think we should.

Let me just put my phone away and let's just cut down. And then we're so close. The baby blue truck. Around 05:00 p.m. on April 19, 2001, a tipster calls the police saying Robert Fisher is driving a baby blue Ford truck south towards Payson.

Officers speed north, but cant find it. They get a report that it exited onto a side road. An hour later, they call off the search. By chance, this is almost the exact moment that Greg, the camper, finds Mary's suv in the woods 40 miles east of Payson. This lead was first reported by the Payson roundup.

The hitchhiker. Four days later, after a hectic weekend in the wilderness, Detective TJ Duran returns to his desk in Scottsdale. When I came into work, I got a call and a woman and her husband. It was either two days or the day before we found that truck. They're driving south on Young Road from 260 atop the rim.

You go south on this forest road, and that's your young road. And you start heading south towards Young. She says her and her husband were driving down the road and a guy is walking. Now. She's in the passenger seat.

So the guy's on the outside of the road. As they're driving down the road, this guy walks by him. And you can't drive fast on that road. Cause you'll slide everywhere. And her and her husband said, that's Robert Fisher.

And I believe they saw him. I think he walked out of there. Did they say when that was? I can't remember if they told me it was two days before, five days before. But when they saw the news and saw that the truck had been found.

Now, of course I was upset, thinking, why didn't you call us that day? Now that happens in everything, you know, they might not have thought it was him. Was it him? How do you filter out people, though, that are just looking for attention? Just by talking to her on the phone, I knew she was telling the truth.

It was instinct. I could hear it. And the inflection, her voice. Wouldn't Fisher have tried to stay off the road to the side? I mean, he got away to that point.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that he would be just strolling on the side of the road after the crimes, knowing people are probably looking for him. Right? Right. But you're up north, you're in the country. You're thinking that most people you see up there on the rim area camping.

How long have they been camping? Have they even seen the news? Have they even read a newspaper? So he still has some time. I respect Detective Juran, but we disagree on this lead.

I'm very skeptical of it. The pawn shop April man who looks like Robert Fisher enters a phoenix pawn shop wearing green camo pants, a striped t shirt, and military style boots that are scuffed but not muddy. He's scruffy and unshaven and appears to have been sleeping in his clothes. He browses the gun section, says nothing, then exits quickly after seeing a sign requiring photo id. He drives east in a Toyota pickup truck, plate 295 Flb.

The manager is 80% to 90% sure the guy was fisher. Unfortunately, the shops security camera was off. Police check the bar next door. They find footage of the truck, but the angle is bad. They cant see the driver, the old Ford.

Two days later, a friend of the fisher sees a Robert lookalike driving an older Ford pickup truck in Scottsdale. She tells her husband, who calls the cops. I speak to him by phone. He doesnt want his name used. He and his wife knew the fishers for 16 years.

They lived in the same apartment complex in Phoenix in the eighties. The wife gets a partial plate, four sh. Police find 179 possible matches. None of the names ring a bell. Malicious gap.

On April 29, two people turkey hunting near malicious gap in the Tonto National Forest are sitting in camp, taking a break, reading, when a man calls out from the woods. He emerges, bearded and dirty in tattered and torn camo clothes, carrying a sawed off shotgun. He asks for directions to malicious gap, where he claims he's meeting his brother. When he hears an atv approaching, he gets nervous, says goodbye, and runs into the woods. The next day, the couple returns home to Montana.

They dont report the sighting until July 9, when police ask why they think it was Fisher, they say they saw a photo of him and, quote, knew it was the same man. Oak flat. On May 1, someone sees a fisher look alike at the oak flat campground near Superior, Arizona. Thats it. Thats all I have on that one, the pyramids.

On May 2, a woman named Joyce Wilson calls the Scottsdale Police Department. Three years earlier, she says she and her husband were hiking in the Superstition mountains 40 miles east of Phoenix when they came across a remote campsite and a man who looked just like Robert Fisher. A year later, Joyce saw the man again in the distance. By the time she reached his campsite, he was gone. Instead, she found piles of rocks in the shape of pyramids all over the campsite.

She saw bones in a fire pit. She took photos. Keep in mind, this was before the murders, but Joyce believes the man was Fisher. She gives police directions to the campsite so they can search it. It's unclear if they do.

Tortilla Flat May 3 the Arizona Republic false fisher sightings tips surge across state Robert Fisher has become Arizona's version of Elvis, spotted in convenience stores and campgrounds all over the state. Someone sees him checking into a motel with bloody arms. Someone sees him building a rock wall on a remote road. Someone sees him at a fortified campsite near Tortilla Flat, 30 miles east of Phoenix. That afternoon, detective Duran flies over the area.

No campsite, no fissure. In the next two decades, police are flooded with ten to 20,000 leads. Only ten to 20.001% are deemed promising. June 7, 2003. Around 06:50 a.m.

a man with a shaved head and sunglasses drives by fishers old house in a white extended cab pickup with temporary paper plates. A neighbor panics. She calls 911. Police investigate the lead. They dont think its fisher.

Probably a guy cruising around looking for a used car for sale, they say. Canada, February 2004. Thousands of tips have come in over the years. And yesterday, cops in White Rock, Canada, thought they may have nabbed the phantom fugitive at this home in British Columbia, Canada. Tip was huge.

Breanna Whitney, the host of true crime, Arizona investigators got a tip that there was somebody that looked like Robert Fisher living in White Rock, Canada. White Rock, British Columbia, is a small city a mile and a half north of the us border. Here's what happens. A teenage boy with divorced parents thinks his mom's new boyfriend is strange. He and his dad start googling fugitives.

They come across an image of Robert Fisher. He kind of looks like the mom's new boyfriend. So the boy and his dad call canadian police, and they went in, guns a blazing, to this house, to the point where they showed up like a SWAT team with guns, everything. And if you think it's Robert Fisher, then, yeah, you're dealing with probably one of the most dangerous fugitives in the world. So you go in with all precautions.

They took this man into custody. And what's interesting about this man is that he had a lot of characteristics that match Robert. When you look at Robert from the outside, he looks like the everyday man. There isn't anything that's super identifiable that you could say, yeah, that's for sure him. But there are a couple things you don't really see that do match up.

One of those, he was missing a tooth where he had, I think, had a crown. This guy in Canada had the same tooth missing. Robert had also undergone back surgery. So he had a back scar. This man also had a back scar.

So those are things that are kind of odd to match up if you're not talking about the same person. So they bring this man into the police station, and this is where it gets kind of strange. Robert Fisher's long time next door neighbor was living in Washington at the time. She's talking about the son of the nosy neighbor, the man who told me that his mom saw Robert in Scottsdale the day after the murders. The odd son.

By 2004, he's living in Seattle. They end up agreeing that they're going to bring this longtime neighbor up to the police station and act like they're putting him through the custody protocols and in the same room as everybody else who's being taken into custody, which would include this man that could or could not be Robert Fisher. And so I've talked to the neighbor several times on the phone, and he told me that when he got into the room, the man kind of did, like, a survey of the room, you know, if you're looking at your new surroundings and said that when the two of them locked eyes, that the man looked stunned. And the neighbor says he is 100% sure that's Robert Fisher. And he didn't live next to Robert for just a year.

He lived next to him for, like, ten years, like, it was a long time neighborhood. So the neighbor told him, yeah, this is definitely Robert. But they took that man's fingerprints, and not only did it not match Robert, but it matched some other person's identity, meaning there was no way that this could be Robert. Do you by chance have a photo? I actually have a whole Robert Fisher album on my phone for you of everything that I took.

So this is the man. Oh, wow. From Canada, huh? Which I can see it for sure. However, I think the Mexico tip looks more similar.

We'll get to that in a minute. So this is the front. Here's the back scar. Wow. Which, you know, is interesting.

And here's the missing tooth. Wow. I definitely see he has a resemblance to him, for sure. Sergio and I, Brianna's cameraman, thought that this looked like he could be Robert Fisher's brother. I see that.

I see aspects of his face in this man. And when you combine that with the missing tooth and the back scar, I see it. But he's not somebody. I see immediately, having looked at every single photo of Robert Fisher, and I think that's Robert Fisher. Agreed.

That's how I feel. But when I was interviewing John Heinzelman, the current detective, he was like, you know, this is something where you can't look at him and say, yes, it's for sure him, or, yes, it's for sure not. And so you have to go through everything to fully identify whether it is or isn't. There is an uncanny resemblance concerning the two individuals. But today, disappointed Scottsdale cop, saying, despite a strong physical resemblance, fingerprint test show that the man colored in Canada, unfortunately, is not their guy.

People, of course, are asking you, well, could he have changed his fingerprints? Can you talk about that? So fingerprinting is obviously a big part of forensics, and each individual person has their own set of unique fingerprints. You and I, we don't have the same fingerprints as any other person in the world. And they still look at fingerprints almost like a tree trunk.

So, you know, when you're looking at tree trunks, you're counting how old the tree is by the rings in the stump or the trunk. That's similar to fingerprints. You're looking at whorls and arches and unique imprints that they give. So the only way you can change your fingertips or prints is to obliterate them or burn them off so that if your finger pushed down, it doesn't create an actual print. That's hard to do, or you'd have to cut your fingers off.

There is no other way to alter your fingerprints. And with the Canada tip, it's not like that person didn't have a fingerprint. His unique fingerprint matched the identity of somebody else. So that's how you know for sure that it wasn't Robert Fisher.

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So moving on to the Mexico lead. Mexico lead. That one was just like, oh, crazy. Tell me about that. Because I had started this investigation when I first started true crime Arizona, I had made contact with the detectives in it, TJ Duran, Hugh Lockerbie, John Heinzelman, and I really respect all the work that all three of them do.

So they would give me a little bit more information than maybe what was out there and when I knew I was doing a documentary, I told them I wanted to go down certain leads. And I knew about the Canada one. That one was pretty well reported. But the Mexico tip was nothing. And they told me, well, there was this crazy Mexico tip with these pictures.

I'm like, what Mexico tip? What pictures? And when I interviewed Hugh Lockerbie, he brought the pictures with him. So there was this man that was in a small mexican town a little south of the border because it was on a gulf town. And this man had taken some pictures with tourists who were there visiting mom and daughter, maybe some other people.

And because this wasn't too long after the Fisher family home explosion, his picture was everywhere. And so when this mom and daughter got home from their vacation, they were looking through their pictures, and they saw they had taken pictures of this man. And then it's like something clicked. And they said, oh, my gosh, this looks like Robert Fisher. Maybe we should report this to the FBI.

And they did. So Scottsdale police, FBI, they end up going down there, finding this man who I think worked in the area. All of that interviewed him and deemed that it was not Robert Fisher, that it was somebody who worked in the area. He did not match the prints and everything else. But these pictures are wild to the point that when investigators got the lead, they said, we need to get there right now.

This is concerning because this is possibly truly Robert Fisher. Didn't Fisher's family say the same thing about the photos? Yeah. So Robert Fisher's sister hadn't seen the pictures before we did our documentary, and they were new. They hadn't been out there before.

And she told me that when she saw the pictures, her heart stopped. She really thought that could have been her brother. And when we're talking family, too, I mean, yeah, you're looking at these, and the people closest to Robert thought this could have been him. That's a very credible tip. But obviously it wasn't.

But, yeah. To hear that his own sister, who saw those pictures for the first time, thought, wow, this really could be my brother, is pretty wild. Can we look at those photos? Yeah. This is the mom and daughter.

So we have this guy. They're a little blurry, but some of them look better than others. Here's this one. I thought this was the best one. The mouth is similar.

The face is similar. I definitely see the resemblance 100%. Can you talk about the bodega tip? Yeah. Somebody had called in and said that they were taking pictures of themselves at a bodega in Guatemala in 2009, just taking a normal picture outside a bodega.

And this man's captured in the background. And these people told investigators that when he saw himself in the background, he came up and said, get me out of this. I don't want to be in your background. I don't want to be in your picture. Which put these people on high alert, like, okay, no worries.

We were just taking our own picture. We weren't trying to take a picture of anybody. So they found that very suspect, and when they got back, they also reported their pictures to the FBI. And so he's kind of in the background, this man, and a couple of them looks kind of nondescript. That's a thing with that tip.

We don't know. Could that have been Robert Fisher? Yeah, it could have, but there was never any confirmation. They never could find the person that was in the pictures. So when you did this, you got a bunch of leads.

One of the leads that you got was about a man who came out of the woods and attacked someone. Can you tell me about that lead and your process in investigating it? Yeah, I was in the middle of recording a podcast for a complete, completely different story. So this was a longtime homicide detective in the valley who's very experienced on very high profile cases. And I just mentioned to him that we were doing the Robert Fisher investigation, and he said, oh, my gosh.

I have a tip. Said what? He said, yeah. So I used to own this house up in show low, 40 miles east of where police found Mary's forerunner. And this man that used to live there was attacked by a man that came out of the woods asking for money and food.

And it was right around the time that Fisher decided, and I don't think they ever caught that person. And immediately, my journalism senses are like, wow. Because especially with a case like this, you get so many tips that it's easy to say, oh, this is just not credible, or, oh, there's nothing to that. But this is coming from somebody who does investigations like this and had for a long time. So I'm thinking, wow, I've got to track this down.

This is a crazy tip. So I tracked down the house. Then I went back, looked at, like, the county assessor's website to figure out who owned it. Figured that part out. He had since died, but it was easy to go back and find old information.

So once I had his name, I figured, okay, now I'm trying to figure out if there's a police report who took it. I believe it ended up being the Navajo county sheriff's office. And I put in a Freedom of Information act request, which is known as a FOIA, to get the police report from that day. I got it back, and it described this entire interaction. This guy comes out of the woods.

He's asking the homeowner for money. The homeowner says he'll allow him to work around the house or work on his property for money. The guy says no and then ends up hitting him. And there's an assault that goes down. And then before officers can get there, the man is gone.

They never found him. And that's what the report says, which is very Robert Fischer. And then it goes on to say, the man's tall, he's slender. That also could be Robert Fisher. It did say he was likely in his twenties, which would not have fit Robert.

But you never really know with those things. There was quite a bit that did fit it. Where we were able to rule this tip out completely was the date this happened, I believe, eight months before the Fisher family home exploded. And that's how we were able to say, okay, no, this was not Robert. He had not disappeared at that point.

And the detective just got the months off just a little bit. So we know that that's not Robert. Finland. My mom called me Britney Fisher's teacher, Miss Honey. And she says, so they think they found Robert Fisher in Finland and it was her finnish sources that thought that they had found it.

It wasn't necessarily the FBI. It was rumor, remail going around in Finland, specifically Helsinki. And then my mom said, yeah, he would blend in there perfectly. But then he would have to learn Finnish, so then he would stand out. So then we thought, probably not.

But who knows? Australia in late 2001 or early 2002, a doctor who knew Fisher is on vacation in Australia when he sees a man who looks just like, yes, you guessed it, Fisher. I contact the doctor, but he never responds. Instead, I speak to a colleague who worked with both men. He requests anonymity because we all believe that he's still alive.

And if he was capable of doing this to his family and he truly trying to hide and if he was starting to be pinned down or something like that, would he retaliate at the people that gave inside information to how he could be found? There was that fear. Yes, definitely. We meet at a donut shop which by chance started renovations today of all days. It's loud, cacophonous.

We're at a tiny table in the corner as workers hammer and saw behind us. I expect to be buzzed at a cafe, but not like this. However, I don't want to scare off the source. And the doughnuts in vietnamese iced coffee are great. Shout out to Bosa donuts.

So we proceed with the interview. What did he say he saw in Australia? Him and his wife and I think his kids, they were on vacation in Australia, and they were in a. In an open area. It was like an open marketplace.

Walkways and stuff like that. And said, I saw this guy. We had eye contact. He goes, I know it was Robert Fisher. He goes, I immediately grabbed my family and we took off.

And we went in a building and called the police. And the police showed up. They explained the situation. The police actually contacted the FBI. The FBI helped the australian police, kind of put them in hiding, moved them out of their hotel room, put them in a different hotel room in hiding.

And then they were down there and found the person. And it was not him. Oof. Probably the worst audio of any interview I have ever done. I'm sorry.

Anyway, to make a long story short, the man in Australia was not Fisher. The medical magazine, there was a publication, a medical publication that I saw that they had taken a picture of a healthcare worker in a hospital in Canada. And that picture looked exactly like Robert Fisher. And I contacted the FBI about that, and they went up there, and they found that person, interviewed him, determined he was not Robert Fisher. The sheepherders cabin before the murders, this coworker told Robert about a secret spot in northern Arizona.

There was like an old sheepherder's cabin there. Can you tell me about that cabin? Was it abandoned? Yes, it had been abandoned for probably 30, 40 years. It was very small.

Probably smaller than this little section that we're in. Yep. Very, very tiny. But it was. It was about 1015 miles north of Williams, 45 miles south of the Grand Canyon.

Today, you can't even get there. It's all cordoned off in private land and stuff like that, so. But back then, it was very. I wouldn't say easy to get to. You had to kind of know where it was to get there.

And a lot of people typically didn't go there unless it was like hunting season. People would. You would see more people at that time of year, but this happened in the spring, and hunting season in Arizona is mostly in the fall. So you told the police about this. Do you know if they want to go check it?

Yep. And they didn't find anything? They didn't find anything there. The canyon man. A few weeks after Fisher vanishes, Scottsdale detective TJ Duran gets a call from a sheriff's deputy in Coconino county, north of Phoenix.

Hey, I had an interesting incident occurred. They were doing a search and rescue in a canyon. So where Robert Fisher's truck was found, if you walk up young road to 260, you're now on top of the rim, the muggy on rim just west of that is a lake called Willow Springs Lake. Behind that lake, it's dammed. Behind that dam is a canyon.

At first it starts out to be a small canyon, then it grows. And I've hiked it a couple of times. They had a search and rescue and there were two incidents where they were on a cliff doing a rescue and he looked out over the canyon and he saw a man. Now, was it Robert Fisher? Who knows?

But he resembled them. And once he saw the search and rescues, he turned around and beat feet. Another incident occurred where in that canyon you can fish the stream there. And supposedly a guy was down there. I don't know if he was fishing or hunting.

And some guy approached him and got mad at him that he was in his area. So the guy got kind of creeped out and left. And then, of course, when somebody mentioned Robert Fisher and showed him a picture, he says that looks like the guy that confronted me. Could it be possible he was up there for a little while before he left the area? Sure, it's possible, but I do not believe that he's living out in the country as a grizzly Adams.

I'm just not buying it. The gold panning hermit. There was a guy, a hermit living up outside of Prescott, former FBI agent Bob Caldwell. And he was panning for gold. And they said he looked like fisher.

As soon as I got the call, I called some law enforcement up there that I know. They actually went out, found the guy. He's living in a little lean to tent, panning for gold. It wasn't Robert, the fossil Creek burglar. For many years, police keep an eye on car and cabin break ins in the Arizona wilderness.

We had one guy that was doing burglaries. Once again, Gila county detective Brian Havey at the Fossil Creek trailhead that had a camp up there hidden in the woods 18 miles northwest of Payson. And it took us almost six months to find his little man cave out in the woods. This was sometime in the early two thousands. He had firearms and weapons and canned goods and stuff.

They catch the burglar. It's not Robert Fisher. The Utah mountain man. From 2007 to 13, a mysterious man breaks into dozens of cabins in the Utah mountains. By winter, he steals supplies, defaces religious icons and leaves little notes that, depending on his mood, are either menacing or polite.

By summer, as hikers flood in, he hides in the woods with guns, radios, batteries and dehydrated food. The longer he evades authorities, the more his legend grows. He morphs into a folk hero. In 2012, hes caught on camera in camo, toting a rifle and shuffling around in purple snowshoes. He kind of looks like Robert Fisher.

The FBI considers the possibility that he might be Fisher, but in 2013, police catch him. His name is Troy James Knapp. My sources here were outside magazine and the Associated Press. The buddhist compound investigating this case. I repeatedly hear rumors linking Robert Fisher to a remote buddhist compound.

Specifically that residents of the compound saw Fisher a week before the murders, not far from where police find Mary's suv, maybe stashing supplies or scoping out an escape route. Or that the Buddhist helped Fisher flee, which is laughable. I picture robed monks running through the woods with a gun toting conservative fugitive. It's absurd but intriguing. And I have to exhaust every lead before every lead exhausts me.

So I search and search for months. No luck. Then I find Woody Klein. Thank you for playing where in the world is Carmen Sandiego with me? I appreciate it.

Woody is a lifelong resident of Gila county and a member of the board of supervisors. Well, Gila county goes from about 2800ft to over 7000ft, pushing 8000ft. So you've got all the lower desert type country right up into the pines, so you got grasslands in between and literally you can change climates in about 2 hours. In Gino county it's cool. But a lot of people do have that perspective that we're all desert.

We're not, you know, winter times, we'll get snow down to the 3000, 504,000 foot mark, which puts snow on the saguaros in the desert, even on the higher elevations, it's not uncommon to have two or 3ft of snow. Woody is, and I say this sincerely, thank God, familiar with the buddhist compound. In fact, he now owns part of it. I bought the cattle part of it. They had 150 acres right there and I had the cattle and I had a camp and trails right there next to them.

So I was going through there quite a bit and talking to them and whatnot. Do you know the name of the ranch by chance? It's the Ellenwood ranch. Ellenwood? Yeah, Ellinwod.

The Ellenwood ranch is 14 miles west as the crow flies of where police find Mary's forerunner. It appears to have been owned in 2001 by a Brooklyn born woman whose followers believe she's a reincarnated 17th century saint who lived in a cave in the mid two thousands. Woody takes three members of law enforcement to the compound to ask about Robert Fisher. We honestly didn't spend more than about 15 minutes in there with those folks. I went to the buddhist colony.

I talked to those people there. Former FBI agent Bob Caldwell. He wasn't there. They never had contact with him at all. He's not the kind of person they would allow in there anyway.

I went over there as well. Gila County Detective Brian Havey. So you went and investigated that lead. What do you remember that virtually every male subject that was at the buddhist camp fit Robert Fisher's description by their haircut, skin color, so on and so forth. So it could have been easily a mistaken identity.

But they had seen nobody. And anybody that walks into the buddhist camp is recognized and talked to. And so had he been there, they would have definitely known about it. Colorado. On October 11, 2014, police in commerce City, Colorado, northeast of Denver, get a tip that Fisher is hiding in a local townhouse.

When they respond, two men flee. One appears to reach for a weapon. So an officer shoots at him and misses. Police catch and fingerprint the men. Neither is Fisher.

This lead was first reported by the Arizona Republic, the traffic stop. Sometime in the late 2010s. We had a traffic stop out in the West Valley, Scottsdale detective John Heinzelman by a Maricopa county sheriff's deputy, where he made a traffic stop, and he said, oh, this is him. And we rallied. I remember coming to this building from home, like, get in here right now.

They've got him all to turn around to say, okay, it's not the FBI encounter. While in Arizona, I interview a Fisher family friend who requests anonymity. A few years ago, while touring FBI headquarters in DC, she turned a corner and ran into Robert Fisher. And I literally screamed. I mean, it was like, ah.

And my husband goes, look, we're at the FBI museum. You didn't think he'd be here? And I go, this is ridiculous. It was like a full size poster of him. It just freaked me out.

Okay, yes, that was a red herring. I'm sorry. It was just too good to pass up. She wasn't traumatized, I promise. We laughed about it together.

This story is so deeply sad. It's an act of defiance to make space for levity. Speaking of the FBI, I get why they removed Fisher from the ten most wanted list, but I hope they put him back on it. In the meantime, Special Agent Taylor Hanna and Scottsdale Detective John Heinzelman. The current investigators are busy.

They get leads almost every week. Me and John typically vet them together. Sometimes they come via the FBI. Sometimes they come through Scottsdale. Peteye.

There's really no good formula to vet tips that come in. And it's anywhere from on the one side to say, I'm a psychic in Boise, Idaho, and I had this vision that I saw him, or all the way up to, he's this guy. I think one that I had was, he's a pastor in a small church in Wisconsin. And here's his name, and here he is. So those are kind of things that, like, I'll talk to folks about what's an actionable lead or what's something that I can follow up on a homeless guy in the streets of Los Angeles.

There's not much that we can really go out and do, but if it's he's living under this name and he's in this community, then we have something that we can work up and determine. Okay, is this person. Does he just look like him? Or is it something that we need to go with even further? Let's say Robert Fisher is alive.

Can you imagine interviewing him? Oh, my gosh. That would be my number one interview I could ever ask for. Once more, Brianna Whitney, the host of true crime Arizona. I have so many questions, obviously, me and everybody else, but, no, I can't imagine.

And honestly, I am quite sure that if he was found alive, he wouldn't say a word. I think the same thing. I feel like if they somehow found him, he would say nothing. He would wait for an attorney, there would be a trial, and he would not be one of these guys that would speak. I think he would sit there in silence with a smirk on his face.

That's what I think, too. I think he's way too conceited to give away any sort of how he's been living or what happened. And, you know, one of the things I ask people is how intelligent he was. And everybody has told me the same thing, which is like, he was kind of smart. Like, not Einstein, not super high q.

But if Robert Fisher pulled this off and is alive, this was one of the greatest escapes in the history of american crime. And that takes a degree of intelligence. I was gonna say, yeah, if he pulled this off and he's still alive, then he's smarter than everybody thinks. You can't be mediocre and pull this off. Summer 2023.

Chris and I are still hiking to the cryptic cabin, the hideaway shack, a tipster told us about 16 miles north of where police found Mary's forerunner. But I don't think this is safe. I think we should turn around. Well, that's unfortunate. That's better.

Than what? Breaking your leg and tumbling down 500ft again? For everybody listening at home. Yeah. We have no cell service.

It's just me and Chris. We're in hiking boots, but we're on the side of this very steep hill. More than 45 degree angle, probably 50 or 60 degrees. You're one slippery rock away from tumbling down 500 600ft and spraining your ankle or breaking your leg. There's no clear path for us to get to these coordinates.

I mean, I think it would take us safely, probably another few hours. And we're not even that far as the crow flies. It's also getting darker, and it looks like it could thunderstorm. And we've still got a hike a mile and a half. We should go.

Can you lead us out? We tried. So we don't make it to the cabin, but I review photos of it. It's petite and made of logs. To get in, you crouch down and crawl through a small door.

Inside, there's dirt covered detritus, a rake, a saw, a frying pan, a cooler, white mugs, a Folger's coffee container. No sign of a pistol or when. Wintergreen tobacco tin. As we come to a close, I want to review all the leads we covered in this episode.

Nosy neighbor. The bunker. Rye bar. A hitchhiker. Payson Walmart.

Payson bashes. Colorado. Tow truck driver. Pawn shop. Old Ford traffic stop.

Oak flat. Tortilla flat. The baby blue truck. Mexico. Canada.

Finland. Australia. No more singing. Guatemala. Malicious gap.

The pyramids. The medical magazine. The 2003 neighbor league. The buddhist compound. The gold panning hermit.

The canyon man. The mountain man. The sheepherder's cabin. Fossil Creek burglar. FBI headquarters.

Even this damn shack. Ah, so many leads.

We didn't start the fire, but we're looking for the man who did. Going up a rocky hill with my henley choking my neck so that the mic doesn't slide too far down. Only the best audio for our loyal fans want to capture this in all its glory. So if I tumble down a hillside and they find this, they'll be very sad, but at least they'll have an ending. Next time on missing in Arizona, her husband would call and leave Friday messages for Robert.

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