My mother's nickname was the Still Magnolia. I can count on one hand the number of arguments I ever won.

Chip Carter, the second son of former First Lady Rosalind Carter and President, Jimmy Carter.

We had arguments about everything you can possibly imagine. My mother always took the side with the weak children and helped us no matter what the consensus was. My father took the opposite side so that we could know that there's more than one answer for it.

Did your mom ever take your side and you knew she actually did not believe-I'm so sorry. -i'm so sorry. Absolutely.

She would always tell me afterwards, dad was right. But she studied issues and knew what she believed. And a lot of it was based on her faith.

One of those issues she more than believed in mental health and caregiving.

There are only four kinds of people in the world: those who have been caregivers, those who currently are caregivers, those who will be caregivers, and those who will need caregiving.

Roslyn Carter lived all four, alongside her mother, caring for her father as he battled cancer, later receiving care herself from family, friends, and husband, Jimmy, including Chipp, driving that six-hour round trip to Plains two or three times a week, often alone. And he did that for six years.

In the last year, it was hard to stand in front of the front door and you have to open it and go in and immerse in that stuff. And you'd have to talk yourself into it. But it was difficult emotionally for me.

Were you your mom's saver?

Yes, but I'm not sure my other siblings would not say the same thing. She was always there. So yeah, I always felt like she was on my side and she would help me do stuff. We always gelled. And I could pretty much say everything to her anything when I was growing up.

That started their shared view on the world, including their work together on humanitarian missions.

We like being around people more than other folks in my family. Actually, we had to become friends with my parents, which is something I wasn't sure anybody ever did before that. As I get older and they're not around, I'm going to be so happy that I did that.

Msnbc anchor Richard Louis who joins us now. Richard to hear Chip talking about his parents, being able to actually be friends with them, and also talking about what he did as a caregiver, making this trip to help his mother. Six hours a trip multiple times a week. What other challenges and rewards did he talk about in terms of being that all-important caregiver?

You know, Ellison, he focused on the rewards a lot when I sat down with him on Sunday. He said, It got to be a very long trip so many times. And I'd stand at that front door wondering what I'm going to do next. But I remembered the hug. As soon as I would walk in, mom, whether she remembered me because of her Alzheimer's dementia, could remember him. During that hug, she'd look at me go, Chip.

And.

He said, I realized only within maybe recent months, years, they're my best friends. He said, How weird is that to say my parents are my best friends, former president, first lady? But that was true. And he said he lost one of his best friends, one that he could call, unlike necessarily his father, he was intimately, about anything, anytime, and not just recently, but throughout the years, through the '80s and '90s, when times were tough for him, really amazing. Did he.

Say anything about how his father, President Carter, is doing? He is in hospice care.

He was saying that at the moment right now for his dad, he saw them in ways that he hadn't seen before because they were the primary caregivers of each other. Mrs. Carter was the primary caregiver of the former president and the former president of the primary caregiver of the first lady. She's gone now. And part of that change that he feels like he's going through is I'm now.

The guy.

Along with my family, to take care of my dad. Recently, he said he had a hug and a kiss with his dad. It was probably, he said he could count on her one hand that they had such a close moment. That's very interesting, Allison, because on top of that, it's the first Christmas, and 73 years he's been alive, they're not all going to be together. That change fits very interestingly into her focus on butterflies. Change and metamorphizing. And he is going through that change, he realized. Something is ahead, something that is difficult right now, but he still remains positive.

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