Welcome to NerdWallet's Smart Money podcast. I'm Sean Piles.

And I'm Anna Hale-Hosky.

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Last week, the CEO of the fast food chain Wendy's announced in a call to investors that it would begin to adopt a, quote, search pricing strategy to set menu prices beginning in 2025.

That's right. Those who use ride share services like Uber and Lyft might recognize search pricing as what happens at rush hour. You pay a lot more due to high demand. This sounds like your basic supply and demand strategy, but people aren't quite used to it when it comes to their burgers and fries.

Yeah, Sean, the announcement sparked quite a bit of a hem, frosty response by outraged consumers. But soon we found out that a lot of media outlets actually got it wrong. Wendy's wasn't going to apply search pricing to its menu items. It would actually be implementing dynamic pricing.

Today, Sean and I will dive into what Wendy's means by We'll also talk about where you might already see dynamic pricing, whether you realize it or not, and how AI fits into all of this. That's coming up right after the break.

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Listeners, Wendy's is refuting the claim that it was planning to implement surge pricing at all. Anna, you had an email exchange with a representative from Wendy's. What did you learn?

I did, Sean. I got a statement last week that explicitly stated that Wendy's never actually used the term surge pricing, and the company has no plan no chance to implement that strategy at all. In a previous email, the company explained a little bit more about what it plans to do. They said that Wendy's will be utilizing tech, namely more frequent menu changes, to offer discounts and value offers to our customers. Wendy says it plans to roll out digital menu boards in some US restaurants. The plan here is to use AI-enabled technology to identify how to drive traffic by lowering prices or offering deals during slower hours of the day. The company also said the AI technology will provide some selling suggestions based on factors like weather. The statement said, An example of leveraging this technology could be a suggestion of a cool frost on a warm summer day.

The thing that you want a robot to tell you that you need instead of just knowing it yourself. Of course. Okay, so instead of raising prices during periods of high demand like Uber and Lyft do, Wendy's says it's actually going to be lowering prices to bring customers in during slower periods of time. So that A digital menu board allows Wendy's to be more nimble with its prices and offer deals to customers to sell more burgers and Frosties.

That's right, Sean. But this concept of changing prices via a digital menu isn't exactly new. Why Wendy's wants to say it loudly is so people know deals are coming soon, well, at least starting in 2025 at certain locations. But dynamic pricing is certainly not new, and Wendy's isn't the first eatery to try it. The ever-changing digital menu is something you've probably already seen.

Yeah, remember during the pandemic when restaurants started switching over to QR code menus for sanitary reasons? Well, restaurants also noticed they could change up the prices and menu items pretty easily, too. After all, it's the click of a button, not a reprint. So there are practical and financial reasons that some restaurants have held on to the QR code menu model, even if we don't all love it.

I'm ambivalent about it. Sometimes I'm fine with it, and there's a convenience factor to pulling out my phone and finding what I need. But at the same time, why do I have to pull out my phone to do everything anymore?

Well, it's because we're living in 2024 and our rectangular screens control our lives, obviously. But I do totally get that. Sometimes it feels like companies are shoving technology into every product for the sake of a gimmick or so called innovation, even if the changes aren't substantive or even wanted by consumers.

Exactly. I feel like, did we need to reinvent this wheel? But that being said, there's certainly a benefit for businesses. Dynamic pricing is based on supply and demand, so you can, like Wendy said, lower prices at certain times to draw customers in with deals. It's the happy hour approach. Businesses can also adjust prices depending on the cost of supplies, which, as we know, have been fluctuating throughout the last couple of years, first due to shortages and then inflation.

But at some point, can it turn into price gouging? That's part of what has gotten Ticketmaster into hot water with the Department of Justice and Congress. Since 2011, Ticketmaster has utilized dynamic pricing to adjust prices for tickets based on demand. Well, as we all remember, it sent prices for Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, Bruce Springsteen, and other concerts skyrocketing, which left consumers fuming, overpaying, or both.

I'd like to note, Sean, that while Ticketmaster is primarily to blame for this, artists have the option to turn off dynamic pricing for ticket sales, and many do not, like Taylor Swift, Bruce Springsteen, Coldplay, Harry styles, and Paul McCartney.

That is right. Some of your favorite pop artists are not immune to the draw of dynamic pricing.

Imagine that. And many industries have never been immune to using this method to increase pricing or offer discounts depending on demand. Hotel bookings, airlines, electricity, gas, and toll roads have been using dynamic pricing for a long time, just usually by a different name. Airbnbs, ski areas, and both Disneyland and Disney World also tend to be higher during peak seasons when demand increases. Tax software, too.

And those tend to be more seasonal. But there's also a whole subset of dynamic pricing called surge pricing. As we mentioned, that's what Wendy's was being accused of before it set the record straight. Surge pricing is based on real-time supply and demand, and it means that prices go up when there is high demand.

I think for me, the most visible examples are ride share services like Uber and Lyft. There's nothing like trying to get home at midnight and seeing the cost of your ride jacked up to twice the normal cost.

I have spent far too much money on rides late at night just so I can get home as quickly and as safely as possible. Although there are fewer things that make me feel like more of a sucker as a consumer.

Yep. As we said, dynamic pricing isn't new, but the impact on consumers varies by tolerance and likely what you're purchasing. So Now, a dollar or two may be negligible for most consumers who aren't particularly price sensitive. But when you're talking about bigger ticket items, $100 more for that last minute flight might be more than you're willing to spend.

I think no matter what your financial tolerance is, seeing prices seesaw from one day or week to the next can be really jarring, not to mention frustrating. So, Anna, if it's safe to say that more companies and industries are using dynamic pricing, then the logical next question is Why? Why now?

Well, artificial intelligence is playing a big part in enabling businesses to roll out price shifts. Algorithms can plug in existing and real-time data to make pricing recommendations. That includes volume of buyers as well as other factors like the weather for a venue with a big outdoor space or for a sports bar if there's a big game on.

E-commerce and digital menus make it easy for those price changes to even happen automatically. You might see price changes fluctuate quickly on Amazon, for example, which has been using algorithms and AI to make pricing decisions based on consumer interests for quite some time.

That's right, Sean. For consumers, dynamic pricing can be a valuable way to save money when demand is lower for what they want. But by the same token, they may also pay more when demand is high.

Yeah. The tech may be new, but good old-fashioned comparison shopping is still the best way for consumers to take advantage of dynamic pricing and avoid surges when possible.

I I think so, Sean.

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