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It was great. It was an iconic back nine. And then to see how it unfolded with Rory looking over his shoulder at Bryson the entire time. Bryson mugging for the camera. And also Bryson going back to when he played injured on Saturday. He had the hip. He said he was playing at about 80% this weekend. But they had, you had like drone cameras through the treetops. Seeing Bryson getting his leg worked on. It was. It was a very, very good weekend to golf.

It was. It was like the perfect Pinehurst was incredible because it was a great test. We talked about it being borderline. There were moments where it was borderline, maybe over the line. Guys hitting shots within like 10ft of the hole and then having it roll all the way back down. But more than anything, it was just what you want in a major Sunday. And it was a guy, Bryson, who, going into Sunday, it was like, he's definitely going to win. He's got three shot lead. No one can figure out this golf course. And then you have the flip where there was that moment where Bryson went to six under, Rory went to eight under, like, holy shit, this is going to happen. And then they, they get back together, tied at six under and going down the stretch and Rory missing two putts within five, 5ft, four.

I think they were. Yeah, the first one was about two and a half, I think. Yeah, second one was like three and a half.

It. Listen, I know there was a lot said about afterwards because Rory skipped media. He. Here's. Here's one dramatic reading from a reporter on site. This is from Steve Reid, AP. He said Rory McElroy threw his clubs in the back of a tournament sponsored Lexus.

Oh, my God.

Backed out of the parking lot and spun his tires a little. Getting out of the parking lot. Yeah, he did not talk. Spun his tires a little. Would that not be how a car goes?

That's how a car moves. Six minutes after DeChambeau makes winning putt, Rory spins tires on way out of town. And if you saw the video, it was worse than that description. They also squeaked a little bit. Oh, yeah. And then the camera, whoever was filming it, did a nice little touch because as the car drives away going probably 10 miles an hour, the camera guy goes, whoa. Like he almost got hit by it.

Yeah.

And it was scenes of Scottie Scheffler before the PGA Championship. I thought that maybe there's some bystanders that might have been in trouble there. And then we had people watching Rory and his progress to his private jet and then flight tracker systems tracking Rory's private jet and seeing that he was in the air, I believe, before Bryson's acceptance speech. So he was. He was a poor sport.

It was. It was a poor sport. We also had a. This is another. We had video of it, and Jay Busby said, roy McElroy, leaving the clubhouse, he got into his car and drove off.

Yeah, well, the tire is spun.

Yeah. Usually when you get in your car, you drive off. Yeah. Poor sport. If you note, the majority of the poor sport claims are coming from the media itself, who Rory didn't talk to, I propose. So I have no problem with this. I understand you wanted. I would like to hear from him. We will hear from him at some point. I was thinking about it, the way Rory lost that tournament and the putts that he missed and the ten years that it's been since he won a major. And Bryson, who will get to having, like, an about face where he's the people's champ out there on the course, which, if you said that four years ago, you'd be no fucking way.

I'd be like, the people suck.

Yeah. Yeah, right. The people have been lead poisoned.

Yes.

Uh, all of that. And you put it into a bottle, and you say, rory, we want you to stick around and drink this bottle while reporters say what was going through your head on 18. That is actually worse than any torture that you could ever come up with. Like, ever. I. So, as much as you want to claim poor sport, I think that every athlete should get one a year where they can just say, I'm not doing this, and this. You. You. And if you. If you don't use it, you lose it. So you don't get carryover, but you get one a year where you can just be like, nope. No mas. I can't do it because I would if I were Rory, and I had to sit there and have Bryson come up to me and, like, that was an incredible fight. You put up. You know what? Oh, you played so great. I wish two of us could have won this and then go sit and have some reporter say, rory, talk me through what happened with that putt that you missed. I'd kill myself.

Yeah, well, I would.

I would. You can't do that. You got to get in your lexus, your. Your. Your tournament sponsored Lexus, and spin those tires and get the fuck out of dodge.

Can you imagine if on this show. Cause we are members of the media.

Yeah.

On this show, if. If one of us was, like, a real, real big winner, and then we made the person who was a big loser sit while the big winner talked about how big of a winner they were. And we did that for, like, 30 minutes and then asked the loser to give us comment on that.

Right.

How terrible. We would never do something like that. Like that because we care too much for the people that we work with. But for some reason, golf media wants that to happen, and it could never be us.

And. And the loser then just doesn't show up for the next show.

Yeah. No, that would be right. We're not going to get into that territory.

Right.

That's not how we operate.

Right. That's not how we operate.

We operate with a little bit more class. And it's also very funny that it goes back to, like, the Marshawn Lynch Super bowl days or Cam Newton when he skipped the press conference afterwards. The media gets so mad. So Matt. And then they have all their articles about how this person didn't give them anything to write about.

Right.

And he actually. Rory gave everybody so much more stuff to write about.

Right.

So much more stuff to talk about by not answering questions than he did if he had stuck around and just given, like, deadpan answers of credit to Bryson. He played really, really well. Of course, I'm disappointed, very upset that I missed those putts, you know?

Yeah.

One of those things. Golf's a hard game. That's what Rory would have said. I just did his press conference right there.

Yeah.

Golf is a hard game. It's tough to get this close credit to Bryson. He played really, really well. I'm very happy for him and happy for golf. That's what he would have said. Ok, that's the press conference. But the fact that Rory sped away like Rasheed rice in the parking lot and could have murdered people on his way out, that gives. That gives the reporters way more stuff to talk about and way more of a storyline.

And they get. And more than anything, it gives him a soapbox and a moral high ground to be like, you didn't let us do our job. But you're right that the story is that Rory. And it's. Again, it's a ridiculous story because I really do think that there should just be a one there. Maybe there's someone has to judge it and. And you, like, it's almost going to the booth in Toronto or, you know, the NFL when they do a replay, we just have someone who's watching every sporting event and they just get to judge, like, all right. That was actually such a painful loss. They shouldn't have to talk because you can't have a more painful loss than what he had. Yeah.

What are we missing out on by not hearing Rory talk? I want to know. Rick Riley is probably mad at Rory because how is he going to make puns about, about Rory after the game or after the match when he didn't hear him talk right words. He's. He. Tell you what, Rick Riley, I will give you your lead.

Yeah. Rory. Hey.

Rory can't find the hole from within 4ft twice. Boy, I feel sorry for his ex. Ex wife.

Ex wife. Yeah.

There you go.

Wreck two negatives. Make a positive about the collapse. Oh, what do you say? Yeah. Poor Rory.

Golf is the cruelest game.

It will pants you in front of the whole schoolyard, then steal your lunch money.

Oh, sounds a little personal, Rick.

Wait, so Rick's talking about personal like.

A game of golf?

Like 15 year old Roy McRoy's penis?

Wait, but that's actually not right, because a pancing with the full balls flopping out is so funny. This wasn't funny. This was tragic. Like, if you. Yeah, if you had. If you pants Rory and his in his dick and balls flopped out for everyone to see. That's one of the funniest moments of all time. Like, if you really pants someone and you get the boxers, too.

Yeah, it's happened to me.

That's fucking hilarious. I got. You can't. You can't tell me differently.

Wait, Jake, you've been pants? Yeah, we talked, like, all balls.

We're playing pickup ball, me and my friends at home.

Uh huh.

It just happened.

We were in transition.

Yeah.

Damn.

Oh, you were in transition? So no balls, no penis there, no bowls.

Transition on the basketball.

Okay, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. Yeah, no, so, pft. You're exactly right that when the story now, for all the reporters being like, you didn't let us do our job, we don't have a story to write about now. You're gonna write about this story, how you didn't get to talk to Rory, and on top of that, Rory is going to talk to someone, probably do, like, you know, a profile or, or just, you know, some, one of these insider guys is going to reach out to him in three days, and there's going to be a long story about how, how disappointed he is, and we're going to get even more content out of it. Like, four days from now, we're going to get a Rory story that we can talk about.

He'll be like, I'm I'm sorry that I left this earlier.

Yeah, right.

I was in a very emotional state, and then he'll do, like, that whole thing. Or he could just answer reporter's text message, like Brooks. Yeah, actually, should we text Brooks? I got to see what Rory's. What his reaction about Rory leaving early was.

All right, I'm gonna text him. I'll say, Woody, we're doing the show right now. We're looking for comment on what Rory would have thought.

Yeah.

All right, Hank, give us your thoughts while I text this, because you're the big golfer. And also, congratulations on your Bryson win.

Yeah, Bryson been riding him every major this year. Two top fives, one today. Felt like he was gonna lose all day once he went down to he couldn't hit up, drive straight. I was kind of worried about him just switching driver, like they said. He never swung this driver before until the first tee shot, which was a little alarming.

Stay woke on that. We've got a theory with Smiley.

Yeah, I actually like this theory. A lot of that will be. His next YouTube video is gonna be such a banger.

Yes.

Whatever it is, it's just gonna be like, I think I won the US Open.

He won the US Open for the content, but it was.

I mean, he was hitting it out of the shit every single hole. Still making birdies. Unbelievable win. And, I mean, Rory is fun to root against. He's kind of like. I have never necessarily been a huge Rory fan.

Yeah.

And in sports, it's always fun. Maybe I'm just a hater, but, yeah, I always. As much as I like rooting for the people I like to root for, I love rooting against people, too. Like Lebron. Rory's not as bad, but, like, it's. It's. It's kind of fun to watch someone choke.

Yeah. And this was an ultimate live versus PGA showdown.

Yeah.

And your live boys came up big.

You are a live head.

Wait, I thought we were told that when a live guy won a major, we would get all the other live guys on the green waiting for him.

Well, Brooks did tweet right away.

Oh, yeah. Actually rallied.

Yeah, it's actually a great tweet. Said, welcome to the club, two time us open champ.

That's very nice of him. I was gonna say, I saw. I saw Dustin Johnson wearing the four aces polo.

Oh, nice.

Playing earlier this week. So that reminded me to ask Hank who the four aces are.

Four aces are. Dustin Johnson, Patrick Reed, Pat Perez.

Mmm. It's a guy who. His dad owns something, right?

No, I think they had a trade.

I'm looking at now.

Yeah, it's not a guy who's. Is it?

Matthew something.

No, you're thinking Matthew Wolf.

Oh, man. Hank.

Is he good?

Pat Perez. Patrick Reed.

When I say the name, you'll be.

Like, yeah, I know him.

Is it Patrick? No, I don't know.

Harold Warner the third.

Oh, yeah. Bryson. So that he has done the full JJ Watt rehabilitation where he was. He. The crowd was going crazy for him and he is. We're going to get into it more with Smiley on why he's been able to. Bryson has changed who he is. Like the. The revisionist history. I know there's a few hardcore Bryson fans and they should take the victory lap right now, but it's not like, oh, we were all wrong about Bryson. I think Bryson realized that he was really annoying and he's adapted and done a really good job about it. Like, he. It was fun watching him play golf. We had this take for the master. So this isn't just because he won. We said that we were kind of slowly becoming Bryson fans. Thankfully, Brooks, they've squashed the beef, but he is fun to watch.

I think it's because he has. He has a fan base now.

Yeah.

And when he's happy, when he has people behind him, he becomes more likable. It's when he doesn't have a built in fan base that he's trying so very hard to be the cool guy and to be the guy that's like, you know, breaking all the rules, doing all the weird shit. That's the part of Bryson that makes you be like, this guy's really, really strange. But when he's actually having fun, Bryson seems like a good dude. And I'll give him credit. I watch his YouTube videos a lot. I've seen a lot of them. He's pretty good. They're pretty entertaining. Yeah, they're engaging. He was like interacting with the fans a bunch this weekend. And when he's not fighting with the fans, when they're on his side, he's a very interesting guy to observe. And I kind of like him. I think he's good for golf.

Well, his game is fun. He smashes the ball. He makes crazy shots.

He screams at his ball.

He screams at the ball. He was interacting with the crowd unlike any other competing, contending player that I can ever remember. And it's interesting and it's fun and it's unique, and he has completely change. And I found myself, I did bet on him because I got in hanks hole. No big deal. He would never do that for me. I found myself rooting for him because he's interesting. And I think there's, it's the classic story arc that we, you know, you, guy gets torn down and then he builds himself back up and you root for, it's kind of like you were just saying, hank, that you root against rory. I found myself rooting against rory. I think I'll root for rory the next time because this was so tragic.

Even after he threw his clubs in the company, the tour sponsored vehicle, and spun off and spun on.

Spun, I I think, like this. Yeah, that's how you take the shit. And then you, when you, when you then have to climb back on top of the mountain, the story becomes. It's just a deeper, more interesting story. Bryson is an interesting story now that has, like, chapters and layers to it. Yeah. There's some weird things that are still being, you know, ironed out where he's like, hey, I went to SMU because of Payne Stewart. And they're like. But I also found out Payne Stewart went there after I'd already shown up. Whatever. Bryson is trying his best, and I think he's actually enjoying playing golf and enjoying interacting with the fans. And I found myself being, like, thoroughly entertained. And that's what sports are about.

He had a couple awesome shots on 18. The one where the tree was in his backswing and everybody watching that was like, he's going to hit the tree. Yeah, he's absolutely. It was like when Hank and you were behind. By the way, one of my favorite parts of that video.

I know.

So in the video that we put out the John Daley challenge, Hank was back.

Watch it.

Hank was about to take a shot. Most of the comments were, how can Hank be so bad at golf when he plays so much?

Yeah.

Also, people complaining about Snickers ice cream bars and those people. I love. I love you for watching, but holy fuck, you need to get your head checked. No, but that was the biggest issue of your life.

But I love, I love the fact that they care. So.

Yeah, no, I do, too.

Honest. Honestly.

Yeah, it does. But. But also, I just imagined someone typing out, like, this whole thing is bullshit. It was Snickers ice cream.

Yeah.

And, like, stomping off to bed.

Yeah.

I actually love that.

I respect it.

Yeah.

Respect. But, yeah. So, so on this one sequence in the John Daley Challenge video, Hank has a tree in his backswing. Big cat as a good teammate. I'm not going to say whether or not Hank would do the same thing for big, but big cat sees that, gets out, fights the tree off beat.

For Hank, out of beat the shit.

Out of the tree. Hank has a beautiful back swing. No tree in the area. Big cat steps up, takes his shot from the same area. Hank does not repay the favor. The tree assaults big cat. It was like Angel Reese against Caitlin Clark. Big cat gets bodied by this tree. And then big cat screams at Hank for not fighting off the tree, which is a fair complaint. And then big cat's like, I can't believe I just. I would kill any tree for my guys. Then me and big cat drive off in our golf cart, and big cat immediately drives me into a tree.

Yeah, I spun off. He went right into a tree.

It was awesome. Yeah, but, yeah, but I would fight.

Any tree for anyone. I didn't see that tree. You also were kind of leaning a little out.

Yeah. You were manspreaded.

I was manspread, but so.

So Bryson, a lot of snickers. Bryson has the ice cream bar. Bryson's got the tree in his backswing. Nobody thinks he can get the ball out because it's, like, buried. And Bryson was in the native area the entire weekend. It was crazy. He was just like, fuck it, I'll hit into the bush. So he gets out, gets to the bunker, and then hits one of the greatest bunker shots that you'll ever see under the circumstances. And then drains the putt. The ending of that tournament was what golf should be about. Because not only do you have Bryson doing all this cool shit, but you've also got the multicam. You've got the picture in picture of Rory watching on a what I have to assume is a tiny tv in the very sad back room where they sign their golf. And you can see him. He's rooting so hard against Bryson, but he can't outwardly be like, come on, miss it, because he's a golfer, and you have to be a good sport. So you get to see the putt, you get to see the heartbreak all in one. It was just awesome tv.

The whole thing was incredible. We also had. Did you see that? We had a, like, who's. Who's better to the fans contest going down the stretch. I did see there was a guy who was in a wheelchair, and it was like, rory gave him a ball and then Bryson Cape and signed his hat. And, like, all the media, like, rory, incredible move, giving him a ball and then, quote, treat him like, well, actually, Bryson signed his hat, and it was just. They were competing in everything.

I wonder, I was curious if he asked Bryson sign his hat or price, and was just like, I think he just signed chair sign, was see you later.

Like, credit to Bryson, it, by all accounts, he was awesome to the fans. Stayed late, took all these pictures that.

Was walking around the trophy, said he wanted all the fans.

Yes, the trophy. I love that. Like, they, you could say it's cheesy and that he's trying to get goodwill. I don't care. He's giving people moment that they'll remember forever and that's all that matters.

Open trope.

It's, it was, it was an awesome, awesome weekend. And then we also had Patrick Cantley, who I gotta find. Is there any fan out there?

No, everybody was really, it was like, I will, I will tolerate either Rory or Bryson winning. I'll enjoy either one of those two. Patrick, just get out. Get the fuck out.

He has, Andrews is a good friend. His wiggle on putz makes me want to punch a hole in my tv. He just stands there and wiggles a hundred times.

And this is, I have resting anger face. So I, I don't, you know, oh.

He'S got bitch face.

He's got, he's got resting anger.

Yes.

Like, I, I see him and I'm like, that's what people think when they see me. Like, he just always looks miserable.

He's also kind of got it like a dumpy, dumpy ass. He does.

Yeah.

His body's like kind of dumpy.

Okay.

I don't know. Yeah, he could definitely tighten it up.

He looks like a really cheap pair.

Not to get personal. Yeah, he's dumpy. He's Humpty Dumpty.

Yeah.

Yeah. It was awesome. I inch and shout out, the course was incredible. Oh, yeah, Borderline. Sometimes over the line.

It was borderline, borderline. And Rory hit that one shot on the back nine. That. It was an awesome shot. And then just rolled probably like 40 yards off the green. Yeah, it was like, okay, the course isn't fucking around right now. I like to see that the course baked out a little bit. I've got a stat from Rory and his putting specifically.

Uh oh.

So this season he was 496 for 496 putting inside 3ft this season before he missed that one putt and then he missed the other one. I would assume he's probably a similar statistic from like three and a half, four and a half feet.

I would have made it.

Yeah, I would have made it. Because in a situation like that, what you have to do both. I would have made the first 1 second one.

Looks hard.

You don't know. No, but you don't miss the second one unless you miss the first one.

Yeah.

Because then the first one's in your head. But I would have concentrated.

I also would just ask if it's good. Maybe they would say yes.

That's gimme rain.

Yeah, that's it right there. The. Yeah, it was a great tournament. Great fun. Bryson, I think we're trying to get him on the show. I mean, it is crazy. We found myself rooting for him. Yeah, but he's done. He's done all the right things where he.

If he has a lingering beef with you guys, I would. I would respect it.

Oh, yeah. I would, too.

But that would honestly make me like him more.

But Brooke, squash the beef. We squash the beef when Brooke squash the beef. And then it took us a while to come around to actually liking him, which happened a few months ago. We. Oh, you're. Are you team? Are you trying to. We're team.

Of course.

I want you to had beef with you guys. I'd respect it.

We're wrong.

Well, hold on a second. We're.

What do you mean by you?

You guys? We are.

If we are wound. No, I'm saying. But, like, there was. There was the shows when all that stuff was happening. I don't think I was speaking on them at all.

But we're. So. You were. So you're saying right now that you're always been a Bryson over a Brooks guy?

No, he can have beef with me. It's. It's us. It's us. But I'm saying, like.

But that was very. I was not you guys.

Like, I wasn't. You guys are the two co hosts. I wasn't speaking.

We're three co host. You. If you're. If. Listen.

I wasn't speaking on those shows. Like, I'm sure he listened to those podcasts back in the day. It was probably like, damn, these guys are fucking roasting me. Fuck them. I don't think I was involved in those roastings, even though I felt the same way.

Why?

We never do a show where you didn't talk, Hank, so you're just basically.

Always slide out the back door, Bill. Wasn't me.

No, no, I'm with it.

Do you stand behind everything we've said about Bryson as a podcast?

Yes.

You stand behind everything we've said as a podcast?

Yes.

Okay. Yeah. No, I'm legitimately excited to watch Bryson. That was fun. He has. He's turned it. He's turned it. He's done the impossible. The USA chance rocked. And then you had a couple of the loser golf media people. And, like, the one guy one of the guys who took the live money, and you're chaining USA.

Well, to be fair to Bryson, he. He did apologize for 911.

Oh, yeah.

That's actually. Bryson's been on a real hot streak since he apologized for 911.

Yeah.

Maybe that's all it took.

Yeah, it was his.

He.

He took all the ownership.

That was all time. Hilarious clip.

Yeah. Sorry. And one last big loser we should just mention is member when Zach Johnson didn't put Bryson on the Ryder cup team.

Yep. Yep.

That was fun.

I just watched full swing in the last two weeks, and that. That shit's infuriating.

Yeah. Crazy.

Infuriating.

Crazy. Okay. Should we talk a little basketball?

I'm bummed out that we only have. We've only got one more major. This feels like we should have two.

Yeah. I don't like that the PGA changed and jumped ahead.

I don't like it, either.

It was always nice that they gave us one at the end.

Also, a finish like this, I think, needs to put some pressure and momentum on the merger happening, because the fact that we get to see these guys clash and drama like this only happening four times a year.

Oh, there's so unfortunate. There is. There's. What is it?

There's an outline. Now. They have an outline. So. So before, like, a year ago, almost to the date, a year ago, they had the framework, and now, as per. Like, a week ago, not only do they have the framework, but they've got an outline.

What's next?

Well, I think they're. I think they're gonna.

Rough draft.

Yeah, rough draft.

They're waiting till Tuesday to announce details because they don't want to take away from the tournament. So we'll see.

Okay. We'll see. How I loved. I love getting an outline done in school and just been like, yeah, I got an outline.

It's basically done. I think next is actually a verbal agreement on the outline.

Yeah.

Then you move to rough.

Seriously, the fact that we get to see guys like this compete four times a year.

Like, we need that. We need that year round.

Well, I mean, you get to see it all the time if. If you have the CW network.

No, but Rory versus Bryson guy.

Yeah, but you can always be like, all right, well, Bryson shot.

Bryson versus Harold Varner.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

All this shit format.

What team is Bryson on?

Prices on the crushers.

Okay.

Is that. What's.

That's a great name.

Wait, what is the. What is Brooks team?

Smash.

Smash.

Yeah. Totally different team, different name.

Crushers.

And so who else is on Bryson's team.

Hank Bryson.

Yep.

No, I have no.

That was a guy. I thought that was a guy. Yeah.

I don't know anyone else.

This was. This was such a bittersweet weekend for Greg Norman, too.

Oh, yeah.

Because Greg is probably happy with the whole live thing. He still consider himself very much part of that.

And then he's getting booted, though.

But then. Yeah, but maybe not. We don't know yet.

He's out with outline.

He's still swimming around. Yeah. The outline.

How I might not address Greg Norman.

It might just be written by Greg Norman. Yeah, but Greg Norman probably partially happy because the live one, but also Greg Norman started trend because Rory melted down.

Right.

They're like.

This is exactly like when Greg Norman did.

Right.

When that gets brought up.

Yeah. Yeah. I should talk some basketball, some hoop.

We're running out of time.

Oh, we are. Let's talk some who.

How much time do we have?

We don't. As much tape left.

So we haven't been together since. Or we didn't. Last time recorded was Thursday night. So swap three nothing. The first 30 minutes were just for that. For the. Hank heads out there.

Rave reviews from that episode.

Yeah. Yeah. From your parents were very upset. I didn't really understand. I'll defend you for a second, Hank. I didn't understand some of the criticism because you. You were literally a Tom Brady's retirement. And he mentioned you. Imagine if we didn't talk about that on the show.

Yeah.

Be insane. That would be insane.

But was a Hank lazing.

It was a Hank lazing, which, you know, you deserved. It was your birthday, everything. Then Friday happened, and the Celtics are still up three one. I still think they're going to win this series probably tonight, but holy fuck, did they get smoked.

Yeah.

Bad.

35 points in the first half was shocking. Shocking.

They were they down 50 at one point?

It got close.

They might have been down 50 at one point.

Yeah, it was like. It was like $90. Yeah, I think it was like 90 to 40 or something. I don't know if it was 50 exactly, but it was those. That was. That was a real scoreboard. At one point. They missed a bunch of layups. They missed every single shot. They gave themselves a cushion, though.

Yeah.

Like, that game's not going to matter.

When it's all said and done unless they. They keep winning.

Right. But that's not going to happen either.

Okay. So what. What are your nerves? So I saw Dave tweeted this. He said, I'm 0% nervous about the Celtics, but if they lose on Monday night, I will be very nervous. So the question then. So if you went by that, how nervous are you that they will lose tomorrow night?

I think. I think they're going to win tonight. I. But they built a 30 cushion. Even if they lose game five, obviously, then it will be real nerves, you know, losing some sleep, thinking about it a lot, but I still think they would win game six. And even if they lose game six, they have a home game. They have two home games to win a championship.

It sounds like you might be. You're nervous about being nervous, right? Like, you're not nervous yet.

You're pre nervous.

But I'm not nervous yet. If they lose Monday night, then I would. I'd be nervous.

So you don't.

I'd be a little nervous. I'm 0% nervous.

Right.

If they lose money, I would not be like Dave said he would be all the way nervous. I would get pretty nervous.

Okay.

But not even up three, two, it's like.

But here's my question then. What? How nervous are you that they're going to lose tomorrow night?

I'm.

Tonight. Zero. 0%. You 0% chance the Mavs are going to win?

15%.

Okay, so then you're 15% nervous. Oh, you're 15% to the way to being pretty nervous.

Yeah. Because then they lose game. If they lose game five, then what percent nervous are you?

50, 40?

I don't think you should be nervous.

I'm not, but you are.

You're 15% nervous.

Well, every game, you know, you get nervous for every single game. You can't take these things lightly. You got to go out there and execute. So it's like, you can't.

No, don't bring humble hank back.

You got no. Well, no, but you got to be.

You gotta get respect.

It was your opponent.

It was really.

It was a whopping. They got absolutely destroyed.

They were never down 50. They were down 40 plus.

And the fact that it was that bad would make me a little bit nervous.

I'm looking real hoop.

Heads up.

Aberration.

They were playing. I actually said it in the moment. It was kind of cool that a bunch of guys that were never gonna play in the NBA finals got a decent amount of minutes. Yeah, I scored a bucket in the NBA Finals.

Be great, Joel. And beat stats.

Who are some of those guys out there? You had the one guy who looked like Jalen Brown.

O'Shea brissette.

No. Twelve. I don't know. He looked like Jalen Brown. You had a number twelve. Yeah, number twelve. He kind of moves like Jim. He's like a. He's basically a body double. Then you had. Did you have a small Charlie villain wave out there?

Yeah.

Like from Arkansas. Crazy. Oh, I remember, yeah.

First round pick.

I liked him. Yeah. And the Mavs had yet just. It was. It was crazy.

Yeah.

I mean, I was at a bar where they were playing, you know, they did the music in between during commercials and then game sound. When the game was on third quarter, they just, they stopped playing the game sound like it was just music. It was. It was over. I bet him, I was like, 18 and a half, you know, Pritchard and the bench are gonna fight back and make this thing, like, respectable, and it just went the complete opposite.

The fact that it was that bad, do you think that there's any, any part of anybody on the Celtics roster that was like, I really want to close this out at home?

No, but I think it's. When it's that bad, it's easy to just forget about it.

Yeah.

No, it's easier to just completely forget about and move on that if it was, you know, a close loss that maybe they were winning and should have won, but then they blew it, and that would creep in more, I think, than just getting your doors blown off because it was.

It was a combo. The Celtics played bad. The Mavs played great. They were hitting every.

And they were playing defense.

Right. They were playing defense and all the role players were hitting shots. Okay, so you're not, you're. You're 15% nervous about tonight. What about Kristoff's? Because that would be the only thing that would make you nervous because they kind of were saying that he could play. I feel like if he plays, it's going to be Kevin Durant in the finals kind of thing. Like, he's just going to get hurt.

Yeah. I kind of read the game for questionable, and I feel like he's probably not going to play game five. That seemed like a situation where they were going to just. He's questionable to play and they were going to put him in, like, if they were up and they're going to.

Win a championship to get him on the court.

Yeah.

I don't think he's going to contribute anything meaningful if he does get on the court.

No, I don't. I don't think so.

Everything I've read, it seems like if he gets on a court and tries to run up and down, he's just going to get hurt again.

Yeah. And Tillman was saying in practice, like, he is not 100% which is probably not the smartest thing for a player to say about his own teammate. But yeah, he was like, he looks, he looks rough.

Let me ask you this. Now, he was also questionable before game three. And then they, they ruled him out. Right. So if the games had been flip flopped, if game three was a massive blowout, then game four was like game three. Would you be nervous?

More nervous.

More nervous than it is, because right now it feels like gentleman sweep.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, three. Oh, when you have a 30 cushion though, I mean, there's no way. There's just no way they have two home games, nor skate.

You know, way. But if. Here's how time lazy say no way.

So time works. It's not a three oh lead. You have a three one lead.

Yeah.

Right.

Could be three two in 24 hours. Yeah.

And then it would forget about three. Oh, it was almost never three.

Oh, yeah. Then you just start the series at three two.

I don't know what their record is when you combine the playoffs, but they've lost twelve games. They're not. If they, if they go one, one, four, that would be insane. Oh, and four, are you upset at all? That would, that would, that would.

They got bounced out of the 80 wins, 20 loss club.

Yeah.

What do you think about Joel Embiid finally being in attendance for a Celtics loss there in the finals?

He did great. He was fantastic on the analyst desk.

Max was here.

He was really, really good. It was good to see him out there. Had some really, really funny points and interesting analysis, and he was tampering.

And the good news is he has time. Like this is something he could do every final. Yeah.

I'm happy for him.

I have something positive for you, Hank. I know they have nothing to do.

With each other, but what, June 17 is like a historical date for the Celtics. Okay, I thought.

What, you want to go? No, no, go ahead.

No, no, no, no.

I want to know. History said historical.

I had to look at there, there's. I forget what it is.

Okay. Alright. You look it up and I'll tell you what.

I'm six one seven is Boston area code.

Okay. So what I was gonna say is, they have nothing to.

That rocks.

Yeah, that rocks. Did they win on other six one seven days?

I think so. I think that's when they beat the Lakers.

They played the Lakers a few times.

Well, they history them. Okay, I'll look it up.

That's like the most common NBA finals matchup win.

Hank told me, when Hank told me, his reason was six one seven is the Boston area code. My first thought was like, you fucking piece of shit. Like, that's the most mass hole thing that's gonna happen. But then I was like, no, that, yeah, I can. I can see a guy with his shirt off with a big six one seven tattoo across his chest, maybe on his neck, maybe fresh out of jail for robbing a bank. He's like, the fucking Celtics dude.

It's gonna 17617, kid. I'm over seven, eight, one guy, but Sean grand. This was from him. 617 was the date the Celtics won their last championship in 2008.

Got it.

Three of the icons we've lost in the year since. Bill Russell, number six. John Havlicek, 17. Sam Jones, 24. Game five will be played in. What about Bill Walton on 617? 24 was Bill's.

Bill Walton's number for the Celtic.

He was, he eight, I think Bill. Which is pouring.

Okay. I'm trying to do the numerology.

He was number five, game five. Oh, shit. Hey, let's go over 0% chance. What I was gonna say was Hank to it. Another positive thing for you. They have nothing to do with each other, but in my dumb brain, they have everything to do with each other. The fact that the Panthers then lost eight to one in the exact same setup made me feel like both teams are just gonna like, listen, I'm not a gambling expert, but. Panthers Celtics moneyline parlay, game five. Feels like it could potentially happen.

Yeah, that's not a bad idea. It does stink of, like, the league needing more games, but.

But even those games were such blowouts that you can't blame refs. And it was more like, these teams are up 30, and they know they can go home, and they know they're better. And the minute the game, like, the Mavs jumped on the Celtics, the Oilers jumped on the Panthers. Ten minutes in, and you're like, I don't really want it. Let's just go home. Yeah, go home and win this at home. I know that's not how it works.

But at some point, it does work like that.

Yes.

In third quarter, you tell me that Joe Joe Missoula was like, no, let's try to win this game.

Yeah.

He was like, fuck it. Let's just take it home.

Panthers. The same way the. I also have the greatest gambling system ever. I saw. I turned on the game. Shania Twain was doing a free concert outside, and I bet the Oilers, because I said, anytime Shania Twain does a free concert, bet the home team. It's one and O lifetime.

Okay. Anything special about about Shania.

I love her.

Yeah, she's good.

Yeah, she's the best.

She is really good.

Don't impress me much.

Any man of mine.

Yeah.

Didn't she forget how to sing because she got dumped?

I don't know.

I think she did. I think that it, like, took her voice away. Heartbreak took her voice away.

I feel like a woman.

Can I confess something? Because I feel like I need to be transparent when. When talking to our listeners about any sport that we've watched on tv. I watched about maybe 15 seconds of the game on Friday, not because I wanted to skip it.

Okay.

And I did watch a bunch of highlights.

Very good of you.

Hand up. I planned on being home to watch the game. Very important game. Game five. Or, excuse me, game four. I got my car back from the shop, and guess what she starts. Oh, I felt like. I felt like. No, no, no. I was. I was running some errands. The lights work. Yeah, lights work. Now the turn signal just goes. It works. But the lever just shifts back and forth. So I always have one signal on. You can never tell which one it's gonna be, but. So I was trying to get home for the game. I take my car on some errands. So I've got to go to Home Depot, get some stuff, whatever. I tried to start it leaving Home Depot, and it didn't start again. So then my car was busted, and now I'm like, what the fuck do I do? And then I fixed it myself. I went. I got gas at a gas station, and I brought it back. It was out of gas.

Nice.

So I feel like I am becoming a car guy, but in that time where I had to bike to the gas station by the gas tank, bike back, fill the car up, then drive to a real gas station to get the tank all the way filled. By the time I got back, it was past halftime, and I just couldn't watch the full game. So hand up. I will admit that.

Yeah.

But I did see the highlights, and it wasn't.

Yeah.

I looked at the box score.

Yeah.

Heavily.

It wasn't every. You didn't miss anything. It was that much of a blowout. And it was like you could just.

Tell the summer league game for the fourth.

Yeah. No, it was. They. I have never seen that. Where. It wasn't even. It was at the end of the third quarter. Yeah. They were pulling everyone and. Who. Who do we have? MVP. Right now?

Probably J. Brown.

Yeah. Okay.

I did see that. That Luca.

It's still. It's still, though. It's still, if Tatum goes off, off, he could, he could still win it.

Also, that Luca does have the highest plus minus of any player in the series. Isn't that crazy?

Yeah, well, he's been really good. And then mean game three, he was bad and he got bad fouls, but he's scoring. I mean, every first half, he's, he's like almost 20 points.

Yeah.

And he played defense on Friday. He did. He moved his feet. Yeah, I think Wendy will.

And he hands up like he.

Yeah, Wendy woke up. Woke a monster in that respect. You also should not feel nervous because Curry has to play in front of the Boston crowd.

Mm hmm.

And he's not to. While doing that. Do we want to do who's back in the week? Yeah. Or anything else?

There might be one other thing we should do.

Oh, what? What?

Maybe a special guest.

Oh, you talking about Max? We're gonna do it after.

We're gonna do Max more stuff to.

Talk about, and then he'll do more.

Stuff for him to listen to.

Yeah. Like, I was gonna bring up the fact that if. I'm not gonna do this for who's back of the week, but who's back of the week could have been the Baltimore Orioles, because the Philadelphia Phillies finally played a real team and the Orioles kicked the shit out of them. Yeah, but that, yeah, Max is actually listening. He got, he couldn't get his flight back because he's like, rory. He just took his ball and went home. But we told him, take notes, and after the interviews, we'll have him do Max's minute, where he can correct anything that we say that's wrong. But I saw a report saying that he was crying after Thursday's show.

Max was crying. He was crying during Thursday show.

Crying during Thursday's show. And so we'll get any corrections to that. Listen, Orioles kick the shit out of the Philly.

They beat the shit out of him.

It was fucked.

They got throttled.

They throttled them.

And also the, apparently the Philadelphia water dogs didn't have a good showing this weekend either.

Our team sucks.

I think we should fire Max.

I watched both. We lost an open from both games.

Not from the podcast, from. From whatever role he has with water dogs.

Yeah, he's, he's a big time loser.

Max has been fired from the Philadelphia.

Water Dogs Saturday's game. We scored with like a second left. And it was so thrilling. And then they went. I went to take a piss, and overtime started, and we had already lost. I came back and they were celebrating, like, how did this happen. They showed the replay. They just got the fucking face off and went. I didn't know you were allowed to do that.

I'll tell you how it happened, Max.

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Hank. But, yes, do go.

I'm gonna do bleachers. I wasn't playing on wearing Doug's.

It's the best. The best.

What if I catch a home run, throw it back?

Well, you got to get there early if you want to get a good split, because there's guys that get there the minute they open.

We go handle their seats.

But, yeah, you go hamper mode on their big time. All right, Hank.

I was back as Bill Belichick.

Yeah.

Yes. Oh, Bill.

Wow. Bill.

Wild Bill Summer. A bill TMZ came out with a report that confirmed what I think a lot of people already kind of knew or speculating about.

Did you know?

Yeah, I know.

Why didn't you tell us?

I did.

Why don't you tell us on the show? Why did you tell the listeners?

Not gonna talk about the coach's personal business?

I don't know if I found out when Hank found out, and, yeah, I was. I was expecting Hank to bring it up at some point.

Wow. You knew?

That's not my business to put out.

It from the listeners. That's.

I hear she's a lovely lady.

Well, I actually read some stuff about her. Can I share? Would you have it?

No. Okay.

TMZ article. Oh, you went through instagram. Do you follow her?

I do now.

Okay, good. Good. According to one of Hudson's. What's her name? Jordan Hudson.

Jordan Hudson.

According to one of Hudson's former cheerleading teammates, Hudson first met the 72 year old on a flight from Boston area bound for Florida way back in 2021 and bonded over a philosophy project the student athlete had been working on. We're told they swapped contact information after landing and stayed friendly through the ensuing months, discussing her schoolwork and the x's and O's of her cheerleading routines. They bonded over her homework.

Philosophy. Homework.

Yeah, her homework. Bill helped her with her homework.

Yeah, yeah.

Listen. Eight.

Yeah.

How old is she?

He loves studying film. He loves being prepared. That's like his entire mo.

I'm not judging. I'm just saying it's beautiful that they bonded over her homework.

I think Plato was the original guy that said, do your job right.

Right.

What is. What is the film room if not but a cave?

There it is.

That's all you know, is the. The dancing flickers of light in front of you, showing your tight end, laying a block on a weak side linebacker.

That becomes your reality.

Yes.

You have no idea about the outside world. It goes on to say Belichick was spotted rooting her on at a cheerleading competition in March.

Mm hmm.

I did homework and cheerleading competition.

I did hear Bill might have maybe missed a couple team events to go to a cheerleading practice, but he didn't.

Miss his girlfriend's cheerleading practice.

It's very important. Yeah.

Okay. And then finally, we're told Hudson, an entrepreneur and philosopher.

That's good. That's a good combo.

Has even begun helping Belichick with his business endeavors.

That's good.

Beautiful. I know. Just reading from the article. I'm not saying. I'm not editorializing any of this. I'm just reading the words from the article.

Probably start doing a podcast or something.

It's beautiful. Sounds good. An entrepreneur, philosopher, and they bought over homework in her cheerleading practice.

Entrepreneur, philosopher, and cheerleader. Cheerleader all rolled into one. Sounds like. Sounds like quite a catch for triple threat.

Triple threat.

And how old is he?

72, but age is just enough.

71?

No, it says 72 right here.

It's not. It's probably not, like even a physical thing. They probably were just attracted to each other's minds at first. Well, she was probably. She probably thought he was hot.

Homework?

Yeah.

Anytime you can bond over homework.

Do you think. Do you think she got good grades on that homework?

Do you never ask? You never asked someone for help, you know, on your. On a flight, on homework?

No.

Yeah, just whatever they're working on.

I've never asked anybody for help on a flight.

On.

No, I'm always in control in a flight. Usually I'm in the exit row, and I have not had a single fatality under my watch.

Do you think she was like. Like pounding? What's wrong? I just can't figure out my homework.

What is life. Let me take a look at that.

Listen, Belichick just live his life. I'm not judging at all. It's just. You can't tell me those sentences weren't at least a little funny.

Oh, no, it's very funny.

I bonded over homework and cheerleader.

I imagined him, like, looking over at her, at her book, not even at her. He doesn't even realize who she is. He just looks over. He's like, what is that, Nietzsche? And then they lock eyes, and then they're like, oh, my God.

Love it.

First sight.

You think. Do you think they have a big calendar in their kitchen? It, like, says, like, oh, Jordan's cheerleading practice today.

I don't know.

Homework. She got schoolwork. School project coming up.

What's name? Jordan Hudson.

Jordan with an o at the end, though. Two o's.

Oh, that's. That's red flag.

Hank follows any.

Any name that has a weird misspelling like that or ends in an I.

Do you think red you up from.

School today, Jordan Hudson? Let's see. What. What kind of entrepreneur is she?

Philosopher entrepreneur. It actually says right now, philosopher, entrepreneur, glamorous girl scout.

Aren't all entrepreneurs just the same? Is not just a blanket statement.

What?

Entrepreneur?

What do you mean? Is it blanket statement?

Like, it doesn't need to be a type of entrepreneur.

Now you're getting philosophical.

Yeah. Now you're getting real.

Would love this conversation.

Like anyone, that.

If you.

Anything is not.

If you start a business, you're an entrepreneur. I want to know what her business is.

Right.

I think she.

She might just have the entrepreneurial spirit.

Mm hmm.

That could very much be what happened here.

Always on a. It was on a. Let's see. More recently, Bill was seen in March at one of her competitions and is reported to have accompanied her on a business trip to Croatia. So she's doing business deals in Croatia.

Yeah. That's legit. Yeah. Yeah. I'm happy for Bill. He seems like he's very happy, does he not? Very happy. Yeah. So we should be supportive.

She was almost Miss Main. Oh, that's pretty good. That's not a bad state.

And she.

But she was murder.

But almost. She competed in Miss Main. Miss Main participant.

Okay, so what? Finalist for Miss Main.

She was. She was a competitor in Miss Main.

Okay. Okay.

She was the cO. Main event.

Co main event. Yeah. What are you gonna say?

I think she looks like an outstanding young woman.

Yeah, me too.

She's a birder to a birder.

Oh, she birds.

What is that?

You don't know bird. You don't know wing.

She just looks at birds.

Yeah.

Listens to birds.

No, no. It's more about Hank.

Doesn't know what it is either.

Oh, yes, it is.

It's your bird watching, not bird listening.

No, but you listen. I had it. I had a science, but that's not the main event.

The main event is watching.

And he would just take us out. He was just out in the woods, big.

All right, ready?

This is what you're gonna hear. And boop, boop, boop, boop, boo.

Yeah. What was that?

He was a bird fanatic.

What was that bird?

I wish I was more into birds and could tell you.

Right. You know what we're gonna get? Let's get a birder on the show.

Yeah.

For the summer. That's a perfect summer guest.

You know what?

I want a birder in, in, in studio. We'll do. I want to interview a birder. And then we'll have PMTV will go listen to some birds.

Go birds.

Yeah, go birds.

So, Hank, you just said that your.

Bird max would love this thing.

Your bird teacher was.

My science teacher was a bird, but.

He was a birder. But he was saying that this is the sound and that's how you identify them by the sound. But the only reason you're figuring out what sound is so that you can look at that bird, it's like, oh, that's a whippoorwill. I've never seen a whippoorwill. Where is it? It's about watching the birds. It's not about listening.

Well, we'll find out.

Combination? I think it's a combination.

Do you check it off. Do you check it off your little bird list? If you're in the woods and you hear goldfinch, it has. Yep. Just heard that when look at the.

But it has to be at least somewhat about hearing it.

I almost saw a goldfinch.

Go hear them.

Find out. Interact. Yeah, we'll find out. You want to hear him talk? We'll find out. Hey, none of us are experts. You're kind of sounding like, yeah, you're judgment. Yeah, you are.

I'm not being judgmental.

Sound like you're an expert. We all talk to an expert.

Okay.

It has to be at least a little bit of sound.

Oh, yeah, you use the sound, but the point of using the sound is he's an expert. I'm an expert. Wait, a birder?

Yeah, I guess so.

In her instagram.

All right, that's good.

Okay. All right. Pft.

She sounds very nice.

Very nice. I'm happy for coach.

Yep.

And his philosopher girlfriend.

Me too.

Good luck on all homework.

My. Who's back the week is Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, arguments. Yeah, I don't think that we should do a full discussion on this because it sucks.

And also, it was just a regular foul.

It sucks. It was. It was a flagrant one.

Yeah, but she went for the ball and hit her head. I know. Like, whatever.

If you want to. If you want to hear what Caitlin Clark has to say about. She said it was just normal, hard foul.

She. You could see where she tries to hit the ball, misses the ball, and then hits her with her elbow on her head. That play happens all the time in basketball.

Yeah.

So.

So get ready. You know what? We haven't even gotten to the Monday takes because there's a lot of people out there that are. They're writing their columns, so. Over writing their columns right now about this and what. What Caitlin Clark and Angel Reeves means to America.

And then there was the other side being like, Caitlin Clark has a responsibility to stand up and. And speak out against people who are speaking on her, but everyone just shut.

The fuck up to see the article.

That I'm happy she'd make the Olympic team at this point. Yeah, we get a break now. We get a break. I want to break.

Like, the WNBA loses, like, $20 million a year.

I think it's more now, too.

They had. Yeah, they report private planes. Yeah, they came out with the report, and it's, like, gotten worse year over year.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Yeah. I need a break. I need a break. I need a timeout. I'm asking for a timeout.

My other. Who's back of the week? Plug. God. The dozen.

Oh, yes.

And tournaments this week. So I'm competing in the dozen on the experts. Big cats competing on the yak. Hank, you're. You're still competing? You're still on that team? Okay. I didn't know that you were still on the team.

Actually, the second highest score on the team.

The defending champion team.

Yeah.

Amazing.

Has your team won?

We were in the finals the last two years.

Ooh.

How about that?

Nice.

This feels like the year. This feels like. Keep talking. Hey, I hope they ask a question about birds and you don't know it.

Jake's on a team.

Jake's on Team XYZ.

We play tonight.

Who do you play?

740 eastern time.

We play the booze ponytail.

Okay. The real, real mental giants.

Yeah.

The booze ponies.

When it plays big cat in the act.

Yeah.

Okay, and who do you play?

Pick at the winner.

Okay, so you have a by.

Yeah. Yeah. We were the second ranked team.

We're playing macro dosing.

You have by. Yeah. Wow. You're one of the top four teams. Yeah. Fuck, yeah.

That's really. You guys said when the top four.

Records this year we have a buy or the top 14.

So that must mean surely that top four records. Yeah, you did have one of the top four records they had. Or did you just get the league to write you guys?

Well, I don't know how the divisions work in conference.

That's true.

It gets confusing, but yeah. The winner of macro dosing versus the experts plays against Hank and the Hankatz.

Nice.

So I'm really looking forward to that.

Hank is the second leading scorer.

Mm hmm.

He's been. Kirk holds up. Hank. Hank holds up. Rico.

Hank. Hank. Hank is a trivia God. Pretty much captain the team to a buy.

Yeah, I've been to a chair. Yeah, I'm excited.

You've been to a championship.

I want to change in my first year.

What?

Yeah, me.

Oh, Dante. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. You have.

Hank just kept showing up. He's like, I can't believe I'm still here.

All right, I have two whose backs. The first is british people complaining about normal temperatures. So I don't know if you saw, but in England, this maybe was over the weekend or the next couple days, they're gonna reach a high of 26 degrees celsius, and it's gonna stay that hot for 48 hours. 26 degrees celsius is Hank, guess 96. 78. And I. So I was like, this can't be real.

I was gonna say 28. That seems low. But if they're complaining already, it's got to be.

Apparently all of England doesn't have air conditioning. I didn't realize that. That's the big complaint, that they just don't have air conditioning.

Yeah.

Which.

Go on fucking Amazon and buy some air. Buy an air conditioning unit. 1278 degrees is almost. That's like maybe four degrees hotter than my perfect weather.

Yeah, 78 degrees is wonderful degrees. Outside.

It's perfect degrees.

It is almost perfect. It does stink, though. If you get above, like 75 inside your own apartment, that's bad.

Of course. Just go outside where it's beautiful out.

It does feel for some reason. 78 degrees outside feels awesome. 78 degrees inside feels like you're in hell.

Correct.

What's the difference?

But just I. Well, cuz there's probably a breeze.

You get the breeze.

So just open your window.

Yeah, you can open the window and open your window. The breeze in.

I mean, this is 78 degrees. You can't. And maybe we have some british awls. You can explain to me that I also saw some people saying, well, all of our houses are old and. And we don't have AC.

Get a new house?

Yeah. I don't know. Fucking move to America.

Yeah. How old are we talking about here?

I don't know, dude. Go. You know what? Go into a pool.

Do. They don't have pools in England.

Yeah, they probably don't.

They definitely don't.

They definitely don't have pools. They have fountains. They have a lot of fountains that.

You can go look at.

Yeah, right.

But you don't have a pool that you take your shirt off and your pasty white body gets just fried to a crisp.

78 degrees is crazy. And then my other who's back is Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter who? It was reported the other day that Jimmy Carter is no longer awake every day. Grandson says, okay, isn't that just dead?

So he's back. No, not every. He's not awake every day, but he's not.

Not awake the days that he's just not awake. Is he dead?

I'll put it this way. Every time Nick Cassiano's hits a home run, I am terrified that Jimmy Carter news is about to happen.

I'm not. There's no terrified left. He's not awake every day. The guy just let him die.

He's been in hospice for, like, a year and a half.

I actually would be pissed if I.

Was his wife that, like, you die and then it's like, did you not even love me?

You're supposed to die right away after your. Your longtime wife dies. She died, like, 16 months ago, and he's just been not awake every day since.

Yeah, big t made a great point. He said that Jimmy Carter started to come back to life once he stopped building houses when he was, like, 98 years old. Yeah, it's like, once you take a break, then it's like, oh, yeah, maybe I'm not about to die. Maybe I was just working out in the sun, putting roofs on apartments all day.

Yeah, this. It's. Dude, he. Their pictures of him. He actually could probably run for president with the way everything's been going.

I mean, right now, the picture of.

Not awake every day, no problem.

Him, his wife, and the bidens together is wearing all time pictures.

This one picture of him in a wheelchair. He's not awake in that. Come on, we got to let Jimmy go. We got to let Jimmy go. This is cruel.

Jimmy Carter, don't we.

Here's an idea, grandson. Don't wake him up next time he's not awake for a day, don't wake him up the next day.

Let him go.

Yeah, don't. Don't be like, hey, hey, pop, pop. Wake up. No, no, just let him sleep forever. That's what it's called.

Jimmy Carter on the hap. Jimmy Carter was president?

Yeah.

Much, much, much better person.

Yeah.

Outstanding person. Way better person.

I don't know, but just having a report being like, dudes not awake every day.

Mm hmm.

That's fucking crazy.

He's like the guy from inception. Like when they just go and sleep all day in the little den, anything.

The matrix.

Don't think an inception.

I think he's thinking the major den. Plug them in. You.

He's an avatar.

Are you thinking Avatar or the Matrix?

No, Avatar was what they called you in the Matrix.

Right. So which one are you thinking of? I've never seen the Matrix. What? Yo, judge. I've never, Hank, everyone has one. I've said, I know, I know.

I know what happens.

Red pill, blue pill, and, well, now you don't. You don't because you'd eat the bugs.

I have, I have a general understanding of what happens. We have never seen it.

I heard a nasty rumor that big cat eats bugs.

I will never eat them.

I heard there were people saying, every line. There were people saying online that you're.

Call me bug, bug, cat.

Yeah, barstool.

But I'll never eat the bugs. We also forgot last week you'd eat the bug.

I know. I never said, I said I drink the bugs in the Cicada Malort shot.

That's what they want you to do. First step, Jake, who's back, is retiring.

On live television because that is what Charles Barkley announced late Friday night. There was a lot of speculation about the future of NBA on TNT, inside the NBA. We have one more year, and after that, it's over. He is going to be off of television no matter what happens.

I don't buy it. I don't buy it. I don't buy it.

He's too good.

That's just what you say at the end of the year.

He's just doing, he's, he said a million different things. He's like, well, maybe I'll just hire everyone and we'll have a new, we'll bring it over here. Maybe I'll retire. Maybe he's just, I love Charles Barkley. I love, love, love Charles Barkley. I don't buy it.

Charles Barkley could talk about anything on tv and I would watch. It doesn't matter what it could be. He could do a recap show for summer House.

He don't buy.

You could do baseball.

He doesn't prep.

He watches.

I don't yeah, there's no way he preps, right?

No, that's, I'm saying but that's what.

Makes him so electric.

Right? But he wants, I think he watches.

And he probably like writes down on a piece of paper like terrible.

Yeah, he do what he do what? Did he do it when he went. Did he do it when he did the hockey game?

No, he was on the NBA tv post game show.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

Did you guys see the difference between the hockey desk that ESPN has for the hockey desk for the Stanley Cup Finals and then the NBA desk? No, NBA Finals. It's fucking hilarious. They put, they ran out of money for the hockey one. I'm gonna. Can you pull it up?

Yeah. Memes, let me take a look at this desk.

Memes, look at this. Pete Blackburn pointed it out and it's very funny. I just sent it to you. Memes or Jake, do any send it to you. You're not gonna be able to Google Desk and then find it. I texted you.

Dm it to who?

This is good stuff. This is good stuff right now. Cut this.

This is. Yeah. Waiting to see a desk.

We really need someone here to help this out.

Who am I dming it to?

Who usually does this?

Who am I dming?

Oh, Max is butter. Where is Max? Max not here.

His, he's crying cuz his fillies got fucking dog walked by the Orioles.

Bad Max would. Yeah, this is really bad for him.

Look at this. Look at these two tests.

Oh yeah, well, we can't see the front of the desk in the hockey. We just see the top. Oh yeah, it's a bad desk.

It's so good. The difference is very, very star.

They got the trophy there.

Yeah. Shout out people accurate for finding that. Noticing that. Unbelievable. I mean that. I don't even think they brought that desk. That's just, that's Edmonton desk.

Yeah, that was there. That's built into the stadium.

Yeah. The boys were whooping it up. Biz manhandled the guy at the game. I don't know if you saw that.

I did see that. Yeah.

Holy shit.

He looked like he was full of energy.

Yeah, but yeah, Jake, I don't buy it. I just, I mean I'm not, that's not, I just, I saw it.

I would love for it to continue.

And I just think Charles just kind of saying whatever right now.

I think that he, in the moment, he's like, yeah, I'm rich, I don't want to work my whole life. I'll just be done in a year and then he'll go off the air for maybe a little bit. Then he'll get offered a giant contract to talk about anything and be like, yeah, you know what? It's kind of fun just talking on camera.

Also, just play this out for a second. Right. NBC got NBA. Is that right?

I think that's what.

Okay, so TNT no longer hope beams just playing biz, just beating this guy up.

The guy's just grabbing look like.

He looks like Mike McDaniels. So, Charles Barkley, NBC's got NBA. Charles Barkley's out of a job. NBA. NBC's wants Charles Barkley to do inside the NBA on NBC. Who. Who is like Charles Barkley bidding? Who they bidding against? No one. Well, now they're bidding against Charles Barkley retirement.

Yeah, that's.

That's it. Charles Barkley can't leave if NBC has all the rights to the NBA. And that's where the show is gonna be. And they'll be like, hey, Charles, we're gonna pay you $10 million a year. He could be like, no. Like, they know that he has to either do that or not. But now he's like, oh, I'm going to retire now. You have to bid against me. Just not working anymore.

I would love to see them do a little cross pollination with their football desk and have it be Tony Dungy and Charles Barkley at the same time on a desk. Charles trying to talk to Tony about big women in San Antonio, is watching Tony Dungey just cry in shame.

Yeah, that would be good. It'd be a great buddy copy.

Yeah.

Okay, let's get some interviews. We got smiley Kaufman. We got Mike Florio, and then we're going to finish with Max's minute and a quick Monday reading before we get.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. He was there at Pinehurst number two for the US Open. On the call on the NBC coverage, it is Smiley Kaufman. He also has a podcast. You can go check it out right now. It's called the Smiley show. For more golf takes Smiley. First of all, thank you for joining us. You're driving right now from Pinehurst to Charlotte. So we appreciate you joining us.

Yes. What's up, boys? Thank you for having me on. And that was some epic tv. I must say. It was pretty fun. And to be a part of something like that, I guess I kind of now know what it feels like to be a Chicago Bears fan there for Rory. Not like. Yeah, it was a tough scene, man. It was just hard to watch. But epic theater for golf, man.

Yes. Yeah. Are you okay?

Were you in the parking lot when Rory peeled out and mowed down several spectators? It looked like it was a violent, gruesome scene there after the. After the tournament was over.

Yeah, it looked like shooter McGavin leaving after he lost the Tour championship to happy Gilmore. Yeah, I mean, it sucks, man. The guy was right there. He hadn't won in ten years at a major. He was just right there for the taking. And, God, it's just so hard to win majors. But I feel like that was the most agonizing way for him to ever lose one again because he hasn't necessarily been super close. Besides the St. Andrews open championship, where he had 18 two putts in one round. So it's. I just feel Ferrari. But mad Bryson hit an epic bunker shot on 18, and the guy is just the content king for being I mean, looking at this guy, he's unbelievable.

Yeah. Yeah. So, so I know we won't. We want to talk about Bryson because he is the winner, but I think most times when you have collapse like that, the loser gets talked about a good deal because it's. It's a little bit more interesting in the moment. So Rory is eight under going to the 14th. And what happened in the end? Missing two putts, you know, 4ft and in, like, how. How does that happen, I guess, is really, like, like, how does that happen? And is that one of the most painful, we know some of the most painful major losses, you know, Greg Norman, van de Velde, all those things. But this one feels like it might be up there in the Mount Rushmore of painful chokes just because of where he was four holes earlier and how he had been playing and the ten years that you mentioned. And to have it go down like that, it is. That is an epic, epic, like, loss for Rory.

100%. I mean, the only other one I can think of a recent memory that we still talk about that I actually was a part of was the final round in 2016 at the Masters where Jordan had, you know, he had a four shot lead heading the back nine. It makes it seven at number twelve.

And.

And Danny Willett goes on to win. That one was agonizing to watch. It was agonizing, I'm sure, for Jordan and then Rory today. But, dude, I can't think of any other golf event that was that entertaining over the last decade besides maybe the Jordan masters one. It was just. And how does it happen? How do you miss those putts? 16 was, I felt like, inexcusable. That one, to me, was an easy two putt. I don't know what happened on the. On his three footer that he missed because he typically doesn't. He's really good inside of 3ft. He's not somebody I was worried about. I was actually walking away and I was like, oh, my God, he missed. It just didn't even come into my mind that missing that putt was a possibility. And then 18 was a actually a really interesting putt on 18 because I got behind and looked at it, I saw, like, inside left center, and I'd heard from Max, who you guys obviously have on all the time. He had told JT that he hit that putt in the practice round and said, it's a really weird putt because if you get it started too far out on the left, the grain keeps it there.

But if you start it inside the hole, it, like, breaks off the planet, and that's exactly what happened. So it was a. It was a really tough putt that he had. But, I mean, after Bryson hit in the bunker, I felt like we were going to, you know, the aggregate scorecard or that. Not scorecard, playoff. Aggregate to hole playoff. And Bryce had just got up there and just hit an unreal shot.

So. Yeah, and you said it, I think, on the broadcast, which made it such great theater going down the stretch, that it felt like match play because of the way Pinehurst is. Is set up, that, like, Rory was looking back and seeing where Bryson would end up before he would tee off on some holes. How was that. How was that all breaking down? I even. I even heard it might not have been you, but someone said that Rory hit, like, kind of went fast on one of the greens to put in so that you get the roar right before Bryson had to take a difficult shot. Like, how was that all set up from your point of view?

It started on the 9th hole, exactly what you just said. And Bryson had hit it long left at eight, was going to have a really difficult up and down. And Rory and Bryson kind of looked at each other and. And Bryson, I thought, was going to go, but Rory was not about to let Bryson hit a chip shot first. He wanted to make the putt to let him know that he just made birdie. And then Bryson hit an incredible chip and ends up getting up and down. And that's when I was like, oh, boy, we're in for some. Some good stuff on the back nine. And then it just seemed like a back and forth of roars on the back nine, which I think, going into the day, we wanted for Bryson and Rory to be in the same group, but it worked out way better this way because each person was waiting on each other. Rory pretty much watched every single shot that Bryson hit on that back nine outside of a couple, because he. He would look back and saw exactly what he was doing, was doing, and he knew where he stood.

And that's. It makes it that much. That much more heart wrenching that he knew what he had to do and just wasn't able to get it done.

It also sounds like maybe the wrong strategy, too, by Rory, because it got in his own head. Like, he was feeling all the pressure in the world if he's missing two of those putts. And maybe he shouldn't have been paying that close attention to what Bryson was doing, but he's, like, timing out his shots to make sure that he can get the roar before Bryson, I don't know. That seems like it's. It's not a usual strategy to take, so I'm not. It ended up not being that effective. But when it comes to Bryson strategy, it seemed like his. His way of breaking down this golf course was just basically, like, hit the fuck out of the ball and hope that you get a great lie in the native areas. Like, don't be afraid of the native areas and just hope that you luck out and it doesn't land up, like, in a bush. And it worked out pretty well for him. But do you think. Do you think he was just kind of taking a reckless strategy towards the whole thing where he was like, I'm just going to hit it long and hope that the lie turns out well for me?

Yeah, no, totally. You're right. I mean, there was definitely a element of luck involved this week at Pioneer summer two. The native areas, man. Like, for the most part, all week, guys were able to hit out of it and kind of get it up near the green. I think Bryson only had to pitch out one time that I can remember. So there was a huge element of luck. I think there needs to probably be, like, have more of that, like, crazy grass out there, because there wasn't maybe enough of a penalty for some of the shots that Bryson was hitting today because Rory drove the absolute crap out of it today. And, yeah, I mean, Bryson hits the shit out of it. Yeah. And so does Rory. They both had averaged, like, 340 yards off the tee, which is just insane to think about. But, yeah, I mean, Bryson, he's epic, man. Like, he's. He's fun to watch in person. He's fun to watch on tv, and he just wears his emotions on his sleeve. And I don't think we've had a golfer like that that I can think of in a long time that is just built for tv.

He's just box office Bryson, man.

He. You know what he is. And I've seen some people were making this. I'm not taking credit for this, but people were saying that he's the second coming of Phil, where when Phil was at his height, Phil was very. You know, he was emotional. He would. He would wear it on his sleeve. His interviews were interesting. It's like he is like the. The 2024 YouTube version of Phil Mickelson.

Yeah. It's a good point you make. And in some. Some ways, yes, they are similar. And I think that Bryson's goofier.

Yeah.

And Phil, I think, is much more of, like, a know it all. If you will?

Yeah.

I think it's the best way to kind of describe Phil, but he's. Phil was, like, expert in mind games and. And being able to kind of get not only in his own head, but in other people's heads and. And how he kind of worked his way around a golf course and how he treated the media. Bryson's been interesting, man, like, we need to have, like, a 30 for 30 on how somebody can leave the PGA Tour. And I would say that majority of the people were over Bryson, but they enjoyed watching him play golf. But as. As, like, the person. And the person to, like, actually root for. I think he was. Had more. It was probably closer to 50 50, whether people rooted for him or not. And so it's wild to me now. He goes to the live golf tour, and somehow he's become this unbelievably well liked guy, and 90% of the dudes that have gone to the live golf tour have become not well liked. So it's just wild how this is, like, totally turned in his direction. I think you got to point to his content, all the stuff that he's done off the golf course.

His social channels are just insane. He's leaning into his audience and. And then the tv, too. He's just. He's just fun to watch.

I also think it might be one of the cases where he's the one guy where less is more. You don't have to watch him every single week. He becomes a lot more palatable and interesting, where it's like, it's work to hit. Like, overexposure might be a thing for him, and he can find his own audience online, which that's, you know, people are opting into that. But if he was there on your tv every single Sunday, you'd be like, maybe I don't love this guy. So maybe live was. He's the only one who's kind of one on live.

They don't have. They don't have microphones on the course that can pick up you complaining to a rules official about ants being right. Like, getting broadcast up, getting hit.

Member when he got hit by the.

That rope was everyone else. That was a very violent rope.

Yeah, he stared at the rocket. Put that rope there. Yeah.

So.

But I had one question about Bryson in his game today, because it was. It looked like it was. He was going to lose it. And it was like, I thought going into today, there was. With the way the course was playing, if he shoots, you know, even par, he should win. And that's about, I think he shot plus one today. But what happened with his driver? So his driver caved in in practice, and then he had to use another driver. So you obviously, you know, you, you're a professional. You were professional golfer. You know, all these guys. Is it that different when you're like, I need to now use a different driver? And how long does it take to get comfortable with it? Because it clearly he didn't have the same accuracy on his driver today.

Yeah, I heard that he said that he can't. He couldn't turn over the driver today. And then, like, I think the, on the front line, he was leaving everything out to the right, and then he was overcorrecting on the back nine. But, yeah, it's a big deal not to have your gamer. You know, he was driving that driver so well, and I heard he flattened his face, which is, most of the time, guys crack the face, and that's when they change out to new drivers. When I hear flat in the face, I actually think about his, his driver. It's called, like, bulge and roll, and nobody else has whatever the heck that even means. It's basically, it's a curvature of the face. And it's the best way to explain it is it's like an autocorrect. So if you hit it in the heel, it starts further left. You hit in the toe and starts further right. And I think his flattened to where it was less of a curve. And I guess he noticed it on the range pre round and changed out his heads and then went out to the course with something that he probably had.

Maybe. Maybe he had used that head before, but most likely not. So it was definitely probably a, an uneasy feeling, especially with Rory getting off to a good start birdieing one. But it's just, you couldn't make up today, man. Like, the storylines today from start to finish were just epic.

Yeah, I feel like the content game helped him out with that, too, because he does a lot of wacky shit like that where he's like, I see if I can break par using a set of rented clubs that I just got, like, five minutes before. And so now, I mean, if we really want to stay woke on it, maybe there were some cameras going behind the scenes, and we're gonna see, like, the entire. He's like, oh, no, my drivers broken. Can I win the US open on day. Us open on day four with a.

Brand new new driver Beast challenge.

It's a mister beast challenge, and it's a driver that he's been practicing with for, like, six months and he knows inside and out, but he's acting like this is. I'm just very woke on, Bryce. And I do. I have kind of, like. I'm happy for Bryson's fans today, for the people like Diehard Bryson, content guys. Good for them. He's, he's creative, he does some fun stuff and he is more likable. I do think big cat's right, actually, I was thinking that earlier that, like, you don't get to see Bryson all the time, so you don't get inundated with all the, all the real corny stuff that he does.

Right.

But you do get to see him and he looks like he's happy and it's easy to root for a guy who's, who's genuinely happy. I'm mad at Rory, though. I'm pissed off. I think that all amateur golfers, all people that golfer fun should be really angry with Rory today because he just made the length of a gimme putt so much longer because now if it's inside Rory range, you're going to have to putt that out. I've never missed a putt inside 4ft before because they say, just pick it up. And I'm like, yes, I will pick that up now. You don't get those gimmes anymore. So that's a. I'm upset with Rory. I think we all have a right to be upset with him after his performance today.

Well said. Well said. You know what's kind of crazy about Rory today, too, is, is we're going to remember the Miss putts at 16. We're going to remember the miss putt at 18. But what we're going to forget is how well he putted today. He made everything today. He made every important putt he had to make all the way up until the 16th hole. But history doesn't, unfortunately, isn't going to be kind to him on that. And it's, it's got to be just such a tough, tough feeling. Driving away from the golf course, apparently peeling out.

I have speeding.

Yeah, it was mad through his clubs. So. All right, so talking about the putting, you're there. Can you explain to us in, in layman's terms, you know, our listeners who've never played piners, us open course, obviously, neither have we.

No, we pretty much did.

We pretty much did. We played mid pines once. But, like, the greens putting also, I love the fact that if you hit it in the wrong spot, the ball just rolls forever. What, what does that look like when you're standing there. And how, just how difficult is it for the guys who are the best in the world at golf? Speaker zero.

You know, it's just scary. It's just, you know, it's an upside down salad bowl is basically what most of the greens look like. And when you get the firmness and the speed in which these greens played, like this week, they're just, they're just daunting. Even standing from the fairway, looking at the green, it looks like you have nowhere to hit it. And I think you saw some of the best iron players in the world make shaky swings because they literally have a hula hoop that they're trying to land the golf ball in to keep it, to get it close to the hole. Most of the time we saw guys bail out to the place to where you could maybe get it up and down. But when you get on the greens, you can make some putts if you got below the hole. The problem is when they stick to the flag sticks on the corners of the green, you can't get below the hole. So you have all these, you know, big breaking pots, lag pots that are really difficult. And some of the ones coming down the stretch, it looks like when you get that back hole locations on some of these greens, it looks like you're about to putt it over a cliff.

And so most of the time it looks you, you end up coming up short on most of your big wag putts from about 40ft, because you know, if you hammer it, you're gonna have to go hit a 40 yard wedge shot on some of them. So rightfully, some of these guys are leaving, you know, these putts four or 5ft short and giving themselves, you know, putts, they have to make for par. In which I thought today, a lot of the guys really handled those, those tricky wag putts really well. And even the one on 16, it was a good putt that where he hit the first one and just had a brain lapse on the second one. I can't explain what happened.

What's the, what's the shortest putt you've ever missed?

I missed a putt from probably six inches away. And I'll tell you what happened. You know, if you're ever playing in the morning when it's dewy and the golf ball collects kind of some sand or collects a little bit of dew on it, and a lot of times players will mark, clean the golf ball and tap in when, you know, there's some moisture sand on the ball. And so I go to tap it in not realizing that it was on it, and I hit it maybe an inch in front of me. It didn't even sound. It didn't even feel like I made impact. That's how much water and sand was on the golf ball. So, for me, something around the six inches range.

Damn.

Yeah, I do. It's very funny that you bring up the stat about. About Rory's putting actually being very good today. Like anybody will ever remember that. That's a bit like in real life. Besides that, how was the play, Miss Lincoln? Like, he had. He had a great day by all objective measures, but then the only thing people remember is those two putts. Do you think is there.

Go ahead. Not to cut you off. I'm just thinking about, like, Russell Wilson, the interception he threw on the two yard line. Like, all we remember is that we don't remember hardly the amazing pass down the sideline to get them into that position to where they had a chance to go and win the game like that. That, to me, is like, a pretty similar scenario where then it's like, all right, Russell gets down to the two. They don't hand it off. That's all we ever remember and talk about.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a good comparison. Do you think that there's any chance that. That Rory can look back on this, I don't know, maybe a month, two months from now and think, like, maybe. Maybe it was a good thing? Maybe it showed me that I can compete? Like, does he get any confidence back whatsoever by being that close to winning another major?

Oh, man. It's like. That's a good question.

Good question.

When it's been ten years since you've won a major and you let one slip away like, this happened today. Because it did slip away.

It.

You know, I think, yes, he'll remain confident in his game. I think this one's going to sting for a really long time, and it won't surprise me to see him pull out of the travelers this next week. I doubt we'll see him there. I'd be shocked if we see him there. And fifth major. There you go. The Keegan Bradley invitational. And, man, I think we won't see him until maybe the Irish Open or the Scottish Open three or so weeks from now. You know, he skipped out on media, so next time we'll really get to ask him. The question is three weeks from now, and we'll see. The open championship is his last shot this year, but the US Open, that's six straight top tens that he's had at us Open. And it's just. We keep saying it's a matter of time, but, you know, you need some luck to win major championships. You know, you have to have the opportunities. And he just didn't take advantage of his opportunities. It was his time to win today and he just didn't get it done.

Yeah. Yeah. So, last question about Bryson. That shot he made out of the bunker in 18, can you tell us. Can you explain to us how difficult that shot was? Because that was as much as it was Rory choking. Bryson felt like, you know, his teeth shot on 18 was bad. He's in this really tough spot. Then he goes to the bunker and then he makes an incredible, incredible shot to save par on 18 and win it outright. Like, what? What did that shot look like from where you were standing and how difficult that was?

I was probably 15 yards away from him, so I had the best view in the house and I. As soon as he hit into that. That greenside bunker, I said to my yardage guy, I was like, hey, let's get ready for a playoff with no chance. He's getting this up and down. And as soon as he walked into the bunker, there was a. I could tell that there was a lot more sand than maybe some of the other bunkers on the course, which I thought made the shot even more difficult because more sand, it's harder to, you know, because that's how much closer you got to hit it to the golf ball because the further back you take it, the shorter it's going to go. And I actually tweeted out, I said, if it was me hitting in there in that moment, I would have sent it over the clubhouse. I mean, a 55 yard bunker shot is one of the more difficult shots in the game. And Bryson probably hit a. I'd say a gap wedge is probably what he used, which is, you know, somewhere around that 50 to 52 degrees and full swing.

You know, probably that club entered maybe an inch behind the golf ball and it's a full swing. So the fact that he went in there full swing and bringing in, literally launching it over the clubhouse and having the nerve to pull the shot off and get it inside of 5ft was unbelievable. It really was an unbelievable shot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm watching it again. It was crazy.

The shot that he hit, I forget which par three it was. He had an eight iron, like 215 yards. That was insane. Just screaming at the ball in the air. That was one of the most impressive golf shots I've ever seen in my life.

It's. You know, his iron game is weird because his lofts are similar. It's like, if his eight iron is like a normal six iron. But it's really fun to say when he has 215 yards and he hits an eight iron. It's epic, like, to say that out loud, that somebody's hitting an eight iron from that far away. So all week, I would get the sign of, you know, because we get the. The flash of, you know, if it's a nine iron, they flash me a four, then eight iron, they flash me a three. And some of the times I'd be like, are you serious? Like, is that right? And just. Just epic. Yeah. I mean, who doesn't like seeing. Seeing that on tv? I don't know. It's. The guy's unbelievable.

Yeah.

So, wait, what are. What's the deal with his irons? He's got different lofts. So, like, his a is actually a six iron.

Yeah. It's all because of how hard he hits it. And his. All the shit he does is really weird. It's like seven iron link shafts. He's got these jumbo grips. The lie angle is really weird. And the. What he's trying to do is to get the correct apex height. And when he explains that, you kind of understand what he's talking about. So, like, I'm going to give you what I know about it, which is he's just trying to match the flight in which. The window that he typically wants a nine and eight iron to fly. And once he gets that waft correctly, because he hits so much, I guess, up on the golf ball, that's how they settle in on what their nine iron or eight iron loft actually is. Yeah, it's really odd because most guys are, you know, a typical set as you know, what 42 degrees is. Like, a nine iron, I think. And I think his is, you know, closer to shit. My math, my brain is fried right now. So I don't even want to try to figure out what his loss are, but just know that they're two irons off of what anybody else is.

Yeah, he's like the. The Terrence Howard of golf. It sounds like he just reinvented math.

Yeah. What?

It's something that you all should consider, though. Like, you know, you should probably do it, too, because, like, when you get to a tee box, you can just be like, hey, what are you hitting?

Yeah.

And they'll say, I'm hitting seven iron. And then you. Oh, well, I'm hitting nine iron. Yeah, but you're really hitting a seven iron.

So it's kind of a flex in their head. So what I'll do is I'll take my six iron, and I'll just right one little, like, curve on it. So that's an eight. Now that's my eight.

Smiley. This has been awesome. I had a couple last questions. The first was this course. This was such a fun weekend of golf. And the US Open is usually this way because it's such a great test, and they make it so difficult. And it's, you know, if you look at the leaderboard, there was what? There was, like seven. Seven guys under par, and, like, it's just fun golf to see that test. Do you think that they should do that more often with some of these tournaments? Because I. Birdies are fun. Eagles are fun. But I think this type of golf is just so much more, like, exciting. Watching guys have to struggle and knowing, like, hey, here's the deal. You have to hit the perfect shot to get a birdie, and if you make a little mistake, you're getting a bogey. And that's how it should work.

Yeah.

No.

The US Open, I think, is the one week of the year that fans get to root for the golf course. We root for, struggle, and it's totally opposite than what we saw, the PGA Championship at Valhalla, which was, by the numbers, the easiest golf course ever on a major championship, with Xander winning, I believe, at 21 under par, I think was the final. So it's just total opposite where the PGA Championship was all about, how well could you execute? Could you be able to just hit the shot that that's called in front of you? Which is not a whole lot of thinking involved versus US Open, where there's a whole lot of thinking involved in, and there's so much to take in, and there's all luck involved. Involved with Pinehurst number two. And, yeah, I think there's a time and place for it. Like, last week at the memorial, like, was a US Open type of setup. And I think a guy like Scotty shepherd, why he didn't have a good week this week was. I think he was worn out for playing back to back us Open type of setups. So there's. There's times and places for it, but guys don't like playing US Open style setups every week.

And I think the fans like watching putz going for birdie for the most part on most weeks. But the US Open's different, man. Like, as long as the golf course, you know, doesn't get out of hand, I think. And it didn't this week it made for some incredible theater and it. You really could tell that the guys on top of the leaderboard were the guys executing at the highest level.

What is out of hand? We were having this debate on Thursday, what actually, we know borderline, but what is over the line? Because it's all. It's such a funny concept to me, being like, no, this golf course is like, too mean.

Well, it starts with weather. You know, you got to start with weather. If it's. If it's blowing, like, if it's. If it was blowing 20 miles an hour day, it would have been out of hand. It would have been ridiculous because it was only a five to seven mile an hour breeze. Totally fine. A lot of times hole locations, too. You know, there's just certain things with core setup that can be just dumb to players where they just get annoyed with like, what. What is. What is the USGA trying to get out of this? Where I feel like today was a perfect setup. I thought it could have been a little bit harder to like. I think they could have maybe made it a little bit trickier than they did, but I don't know. It. I think it ended up working out okay. I mean, it was. I'm still just in awe of what I witnessed.

Same, same.

Yeah, it was shocking. Yeah, it was also just when the back nine started, you knew that something special. What was going to happen. Did you get that feeling like, do you know that in the moment that this is going to be an iconic finish of a US open?

Yup. I think it all started on nine. Great. And then ten with Rory making a put in the Patrick, making it right after and then Bryson burning ten. But really, 13 is where I was like, this is going to be so sick down the stretch because Rory gets up and down from behind the green, makes bird, he gets the eight under and Bryson just makes bogey at twelve. And Rory's over his tee shot at 14, about to hit. And I known that Bryson's three wood was already in the air and it was on a good line. I was like, oh, boy, there's about to be a roar. And of course it lands short of the green, bounces up, goes 25ft and now Rory has to step off the ball and I'm like, we're about to have this epic back and forth where they're going to have to wait on each other to hit because one doesn't want to be hitting while the other hits an epic shot and then on the. In their downswing has a roar that screws him up. So you knew there was going to be this waiting and it turned out to be a chess game down the stretch.

And it just was epic. Absolutely.

It was. It was so awesome. And that shot. Yeah, that was when it really did feel like it started when he went, when he drove the green on the par four. All right, so I have one last question for you, smiley, and thank you so much, by the way. This has been awesome. Really cool to talk to someone who is right there. Yeah, we're definitely going to have you back on, so. Because I think you guys have the. The open right as well. Yeah. Okay.

Got the open championship.

Great. So we'll. You'll be back on for that. So the last question, rowback question. Rhoback.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Cusps, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Great, great polos. If you're a golfer and you listen to this right now. Roback.com promo code. Now, you made the bears comment at the beginning, and I didn't want to do this, but I'm gonna have to do this. Did you see Alabama's new golf facility? Because there is no one who's ever going to go golfing at LSU ever again. It's the craziest, coolest golf facility that they made for their team. I think JT had had, like, built the course, and it is incredible. So that sucks for you and your LSU Tigers, who I do like, but that sucks for you. Did you see it?

No. Yeah, I've been, you know, I live in Birmingham, so I'm. I've been up to date on everything they're doing in Alabama. JT's kept me in the loop as well. It's sick. Yeah, I mean, it's. They really need to need a facility there because the golf course is there, you know, in Tuscaloosa. I wouldn't call, you know, first class as far as any of the other forces compared. You know, the LSU is coming out of me. It's bad. They really did. They really did need to get a golf course in which they can kind of go and practice do, you know, hit all different kinds of shots and it looks sweet. I'm very jealous. And I'll probably end up going there a time or two, hopefully. Hopefully maybe with JT or Trey Mullinax or some of those boys. But, yeah, it's sick. And heck, I mean, shoot, when you come down to Baton Rouge, like you do once or twice a year for a football game, we'll have to head out there and I got to fix your posture, man. Your golf swing posture is something I've never seen.

Did you. Wait, smiley, did you not see the 28 I shot at shark tooth in the front nine on.

Oh, you're down to Panama City.

Yeah, it was. I shot a 28 on the front nine.

Yeah. Did I. Did I see that you birdied 17 to like, kind of finish with like a 54 on the back or something?

Yeah, I ended with an 83, so it kind of got away from me. But it's 28 on the front nine is pretty insane. I was eight under. Going to go to the hot dogs. Yeah.

I mean, that's not bad.

20.

Eight's pretty good out there on the front.

I played like seven holes. It was so hot. It was so goddamn hot. I played like seven holes and quit.

What was poor noise, like breaking. Did you, like, break par? Is that what it was?

He shot. Yeah, he shot four under Shinnecock, but he had unlimited Mulligans. So he just sat there and they just fed him balls over and over. He shot like a thousand shots.

He won the US Open.

The US.

Yeah.

That was his goal, is to try to beat the winning score just by taking as many shots because they thought that he would just run out of time.

Yeah, there.

There aren't enough mulligans in the day for him to complete it. But he brought like five guys out there that were feeding a balls, shagging all the way. So, yeah, he dominated that course.

My next question is, is how many golf balls it would take for four. No. To get up and down from where Bryson was in the bunker at 18.

Oh, I don't know. Well, he's got a bad shoulder now.

He's got a bad.

Can't do that.

He does have a bad.

Probably dislocated.

He doesn't have a bad swing. He just has a bad shoulder. So. But, yeah, we. We got it. We gotta play. And I would love for some tips and you can fix my swing. I have your number now. Maybe I'll facetime you while I'm on the simulator and you can. You can give me some tips.

Hell yeah. Hell yeah, man. This has been great. And anytime you want to have me on, love to do it. But, yeah, definitely look forward to potentially seeing it out at Baton Rouge. Like, we bump into each other every year with the canes and walk on folks over there at LSU, it's a good time.

They're the best. Finally.

You guys also dodged a bullet. I guess not you guys, but the USGA did because there were some people that were very much looking forward to Monday golf. And then, you know, people started to correct them and say, like, hey, actually, just a two hole playoff now, but if it had gone to a playoff, people would have been really pissed off that we didn't have a full Monday of golf. Why did they change that rule? Can we bring that back? I love the. I love the extra day of golf.

I am so pumped. That's not a thing. One of my. One of my biggest things, now that I'm not playing and I'm just in media for the most part, I don't really care who wins. I just care that they finish on time, that there's no playoff, so that I get to go. So sorry for being selfish on that, but a playoff would have been super epic, and I would have just ended up flying home tomorrow. But, yeah, I don't know. It would have been fun to have a playoff, especially with Bryson and Rory or, like, you know, Liv versus PGA Tour battle. Like, now they're looking each other in the eye for. I don't even know what holes they would have been. I should know the answer to this because I was actually kind of freaking out, figuring out what hole I would need you to report to because I was, like, on one, but I was like, maybe it's 17. So I was, like, kind of walking around in circles like a dog, trying to figure out where I was going. And then Bryson, of course, makes the pot. So it's like, all right, I'm going home.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, I understand from your point of view, you want to get home. But that one, that year that we got it with Tiger and Rocko, I would put that day up there with any NCAA tournament, any day after the Super bowl, for, like, the least productive day of work across America. Like, nobody did anything. We were just all watching golf, and it was awesome.

Yeah, that's a great point. Monday morning meeting. So there have been a lot of cancelations.

Yeah. Yeah.

All right, well, smiley, safe flight. Thanks again for doing this. This was awesome, man. And we'll talk to you before the open. Yeah.

It's coach. Always a go Tigers.

Go Tigers. All right. Thanks, Smiley.

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How we doing?

Hi.

It's great to see your fucking face.

Great to be with you. Great to be seen. I'm just checking out all your different sponsorships. You guys have hoard yourself out to.

Oh, yeah. We're Wayne's world.

Would you like to sponsor us?

Don't roll your eyes, Hank. Fuck you, Hank. I saw you rolling your eyes.

All right, let's do it. All right, here we go.

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Mike.

Mike has always been to be sent.

Rolling his eyes again. Cut the Hank.

Oh, I've read it. I've read it front to back your.

Eyes to be sentimental for a second. Mike has done a lot for PFT and I in our careers and. And Hank. And so without Mike Florio in our lives, we probably wouldn't be all the way sitting here. We'd probably still.

Yeah, you would be you.

We're pretty incredible.

You would have ceased and desisted. If you had ceased and desisted me in like, year one, I don't know that it ever gets here. So domino effect. Yeah, you. You kind of created part of my take.

Yeah. So, yeah, you. You are a big part of our lives. But we wanted Mike on because we are at the point of the calendar where teams are about to go on break until training camp. And we have been talking about basketball and baseball and hockey and golf, and we just want to talk some ball. We want to talk about football, the sport we love, because we know there's not going to be any football news for the next, like, month or so until training camps open. So we wanted Mike on to talk a little ball. And, Mike, I want to start with probably your favorite topic, and we'll have memes make sure that his mic is on for this. Is there a problem in New York with Aaron Rodgers and the Jets?

I don't think there's a problem. And I know that memes had some issue with something that I said last week because I saw the tweet and I had to send it to you, big cat, to get an interpretation like most people of my generation do. Hey, son, what is this all about? I didn't get it. Here's the issue with Aaron Rodgers, and I think this is more about the jets and Aaron Rodgers. They fucked this up so bad last week. All they had to do was excuse his absence. That's all they had to do. And I think what happened was some lawyer on the payroll for the jets said, well, if we don't fine him, then that will become a precedent that gets used against us if other players miss mandatory minicamp and we won't be able to enforce the fines against them. There's a point we have to tell the lawyer, shit down and shut up, or sit down and shut up, as the case may be, because they just should have excused it. And I think the jets would say it still would have been a big story. Think about the difference between the story.

If Robert Salla says last Tuesday, Aaron Rodgers isn't here, and it's an unexcused absence versus Aaron Rodgers isn't here, and it's excused, and we've known about it, and it's no big deal, I think that it's 10% of the story that it was last week at most if they just would have excused the absence. So I put this on them. They've known. Now, look, he's known for 20 years when mandatory minicamp typically is middle of June. So whatever Ayahuasca retreat he's on. He should have tried to schedule it around this, but once they knew that he wasn't going to be there, they needed to handle it differently, and they made it into a bigger thing than it needed to be. And that's my. That's my take.

Okay. So no problem.

So there's not a problem. It sounds like. Like Sala, according to your theory, they knew this was going to happen. And then Salah was like, we have to say it's unexcused and the fine is, like, minimal. What is it, like, a couple grand or something like that?

50 grand total. 50 grand total for the two days he missed.

50 grand. I guess that's a little bit more than I thought that it was, but they could adjust.

Make it 35 million a year. I'm. Yeah, 50 grand is nothing, but I.

Saw your report that now the jets are entering phase me in their off season. There's phase one, phase two, phase three, and then there's phase me. So what is phase me? And does Aaron Rodgers missing mandatory minicamp delay his start of faze me?

Well, and that's what was funny about the press conferences last week, both of them with Salah, because we've been led to believe the New York media is this rough and tumble bunch that asks, asks a series of tough questions and takes no prisoners, and they tiptoe on eggshells around Aaron Rogers. And when Salah was questioned twice last week, number one, they never asked him, where is Aaron? If he's not here, where is he? Just where is he? Two press conferences, back to back days, he was never asked that question. And on Wednesday, he went from explaining his view on this period of time, from the end of the off season program to start a training camp, and he calls it faze me. What do you do when you're left to your own devices? What do you do when you could either be going to the beach and drinking all day or going to the gym and properly hydrating and being ready to go when training camp starts, and when you think about, and this is the issue that I have with Aaron Rodgers, when he made that speech in January about what this season needs to be about, it needs to be about winning.

Not some of the time, not most of the time, all of the time. And any bullshit unrelated to winning needs to be out of the building. He hasn't lived that. And I know he'll make whatever excuse he needs to make. But, dude, beyond missing the two days of mandatory minicamp, which are the centerpiece of the offseason program. It would be helpful if the guy who's the leader of the team is there as they're being sent off for 40 days of we hope you don't fuck everything up by getting out of shape, getting arrested, having this happen, having that. We want you to be focused on football and ready to go when we come back. It's one thing to have the coach say it. It's another thing to have Aaron Rodgers say it. And that was the missed opportunity more than anything else last week, that he wasn't there to send that message to his teammates. And there'll never be a bright line. Whatever they do this year, there will never be a bright line back to that. But still having him there, the way he's tried to take over that team and the way that they worship him, what a message.

If he stands up in the last meeting and says, guys, this is about winning. And the next 40 days lays the foundation for everything we're going to do the rest of the the year. Let's do it right. Let's think about each other. Let's not think about ourselves. And for him to not even be there, you know, good luck getting that message across the 90 guys.

Okay. That. I mean, I like that answer. Memes. Do you feel okay with that answer? That Aaron Rodgers is selfish phase means started a little early for him, and there's a problem in New York. Do you feel okay with this? Memes?

I felt okay with everything up until.

Aaron Rodgers needed to do a rah rah speech to get 90 guys going. Okay. Okay.

Imagine that. Imagine the power of that speech, though, memes.

Yeah, that would have been incredible.

Yeah, no, they're.

They're adult professional athletes that they're fine. Okay, so, memes, last part of this questioning is florio still the number one Florio? Because you had it last week, your rankings were the top three Florios in media right now are. Mike Florio number one, Matt Miller number two. Diana Rossini number three. Does Florio keep his crown? I think Diana moved up. Oh, wow. Diana's the number one floor.

Would she do?

She was tweeting about Aaron Rodgers a lot last week.

Okay, Mike, how do you feel about that? No longer being the number one Florio?

I'll work extra hard. I'll. I'll spend all of phase me devoted to reclaiming my crown by the time training camp starts.

I love the idea of faze me. Anytime Hank takes a vacation, he's just gonna rebrand.

It is. I'm on.

I'm on phase me, right? Yeah, I'm working on that. Yeah. So it has been. It's been kind of a weird story you mentioned. Maybe you haven't thought about this angle of it, though. Aaron said he wants all the bullshit out of the building. Aaron Rodgers isn't in the building right now. Maybe he is, Lee.

He's living his message well, and that is essential. Aaron Rodgers, it's the kind of word games he played when he said, yeah, I've been immunized back in 2021, not to go down that rabbit hole. But he said, and when he was pressed about it back in the OTAs, when he was available to the media, they said, how does this mesh with your message from January? And he said, we're not in the building yet. We're not in the season yet, which is very hypocritical, which tells me he's absolutely ready to enter politics. I think it's inevitable that he's going to get into politics. And he's already perfected the artist of saying one thing and doing the exact opposite and not even flinching because he did that whole rant about no bullshit in the building, and now he's already able to do whatever he wants to do and act like it doesn't apply to him. And I think that's the biggest problem I have with it, because he wagged a finger at all of his teammates. And what's it been with him this offseason, memes? It's been one fucking distraction after another. He's going to run for VP.

And this is the story that I think the New York media whiffed on.

On.

This guy was thinking about quitting on the jets, ghosting the jets, and running for vice president of the United States. He was considering that. That's what the implication would have been. He would have said, see you later. Have fun with Tyrod Taylor or Zach Wilson if they hadn't traded him, I'm out. He at least consider that? And I think it just makes it harder to stomach what he said back in January, the way he's conducted himself the last four months.

This is why Mike is the best, because memes just put Diana Rossini at number one. Florio, I'm already working. He literally just got right back to work.

I think you're number one again.

I don't really like how you talk about Aaron Rodgers. I'm a converted Aaron Rodgers fan now that he's out of my life, and I'm rooting for him to have nothing but happiness with the jets and means. All right, so topic two, I had the. Someone in this room was at Tom Brady's retirement. It was an incredible night, as he reported. But what's it like right now in New England with the way that Robert Kraft has contorted himself? No. How do you.

Comported.

Comported himself in the last year or so with how he dealt with Belichick, the documentary. What. What's. What's going on in New England? Mike Winhorse meme.

That documentary was strange, especially because if you watch those episodes at the very end, the message that came up on the screen, and I can't remember it exactly, but it was craft fingerprints all over this thing.

Yeah.

And they had an explanation for it, and that's our story, and we're sticking to it. It was just kind of a strange thing. But the overwhelming sense was this documentary on Apple TV was just a way to set the record straight or spin the narrative a different way. And Chris Sims made a great point last week when we were talking about.

First one ever.

Okay, you said that, not me. I love Chris. Makes a lot of great.

I like Chris as well. I'm giving speaker one.

His point was, because Brady got up and said about Belichick, it wasn't me. It wasn't you. It was us. Well, okay, fine. If you're going to do this whole shebang for Brady, when does Belichick get his? They need to do the exact same thing for him. If it's equal. If Tom's right, they need to do the exact same thing for Belichick at some point that they did for Brady.

Okay, Hank, you feel okay about.

I agree with that?

Yeah.

Bring bill back.

Wow. Build a massage down time stamp. All right, we're good.

All right. You have any beef with Florio right now? No, we're in the beef.

I had no beaver Flora.

Okay.

I love Mike.

Oh, yeah.

Well, last time it was a little dicey. It was a whole fan fiction thing.

Well, yeah, but that's really love to stir shit.

Well, I just want to make sure the air is cleared here.

You know?

Exactly.

I'll toss you a softball. Here's a softball question for you, Mike. Why was Malcolm Butler bench during the Super bowl?

Hell, I don't know. I mean, I don't. I really don't know. But it sounds like, as it was said during the Apple TV documentary, it was something personal, unrelated to football. I remember sitting in the press box and we had all the PFT writers in a row, and Michael David Smith said, why is Malcolm Butler not in the game? I'll never forget that. It was so freaking weird. And when you consider that it was a shootout, at some point you just say, go. You can't do any worse than the guys we have out there. Go. Get out on the field and try to at least stop them once so we can outscore. The whole thing was weird. And who knows if we ever get the truth? Maybe Belichick. Belichick, he's writing a book, although I don't think it's a book about his time in New England. I think it's just like a football book. But maybe at some point Belichick will tell everybody what he was thinking when he did that.

So there's something else that you're working on. And you tweeted out, you alleged, you kind of danced around a little bit, but I'd like you to expand on it if you could. Your tweet was. There's a small army of reporters who cover the NFL on a constant basis. Meanwhile, hardly anyone is paying attention to a lawsuit against the NFL that could cost the league billions and revolutionize the way games are made available to fans. What does that mean? And are you threatening to take football off tv?

No. No. I mean, I'm trying. Look, hey, I'm one of the only ones that is out there looking for any bits and pieces I can get about this massive Sunday ticket trial from a case that was filed nine years ago. The judge originally threw the case out. They appealed it. The case got reinstated. It's been hanging around and hanging around, and it finally started trial on June 5. And I'm trying to shine the light on what this could be. And I'm trying to get people to at least be somewhat optimistic that at the end of the day, Sunday ticket could be a lot cheaper than it's been. And, you know, from the moment I first became aware of Sunday ticket, I thought there was something weird about this. Why can't we just buy the teams we want? You're in Pittsburgh and you're a Bears fan. You just want the Bears games. Why don't I have to spend $400 or whatever the price is any given year to buy the whole fucking package? Why can't I just get the games I want? Why can't I just get the weekends I want? If I'm a Bears fan in Pittsburgh and the Bears are on Monday night Football, I don't need that weekend.

I don't want that weekend. There's no flexibility. And it's always felt weird to me, and the NFL has always just kind of pressed forward and made as much money as they could from it. But this case is about what the NFL allegedly has done to protect the deals with CB's and Fox and without getting too deep into the weeds. It's as simple as this. They required allegedly. But I think the evidence has proved this. They've required DirecTV to charge a certain price so people don't get it and they just watch whatever CB's or Fox has to offer. So if you drop it and ESPN, according to evidence that was introduced last week, wanted to charge $70 for the whole season and give you a team by team option. Apple TV. I saw this reporting back when they were negotiating the current deal with YouTube. Apple TV just wanted to include it in whatever it costs now per month to have Apple TV like $6.99 a month or whatever. They just wanted to give it to you as part of the base package. So the NFL allegedly, but the evidence is proving this out. Wanted to keep it at a certain number.

They call it a premium product because they want to protect and preserve the CB's and Fox relationship so they can get a shitload of money from CB's and Fox and a shitload of money from whoever has Sunday ticket and they've done it for 30 years and the chickens have come home to roost and this all might blow up in their faces and they're looking at supposedly $7 billion in damages for what we all paid. And it's a nationwide class action. It's what we all paid versus what we all should have been paying all along, at least during whatever window this covers. And it's ten, 1112 years. And under the antitrust laws, 7 billion gets tripled. So worst case scenario for the NFL is $21 billion. And as a practical matter, they're going to have to revolutionize the way they make the games available. So if you want to watch the commanders in Chicago, you can do it one week at a time. You can do it one team at a time. You don't have to buy the whole damn thing. So this is good for fans. And I'm sure the NFL is pissed that I've been covering it the way.

I have, of course.

But this is something fans should be happy about because if the NFL loses, and I've said this, we should be rooting for the NFL to lose this because it will make it easier for all the fans to have cheaper choices and broader selections to watch out of market games on Sundays.

I like that. And if they lose $21 billion, is there a chance maybe we get a second Super Bowl.

I don't think it's going to be 21 billion. That's just the absolute worst case scenario. But keep this in mind. They will appeal it and they will appeal it and they will take it all the way to the US Supreme Court. And I don't want to get into the political realm here, but the way the court is currently constituted, they'd probably be confident at the end of the day they'll win.

Wow.

So they'll just buy their time and play it out. And it may take five, six, seven more years, but I think they're confident if it eventually gets to the Supreme Court, they'll win.

Roger Goodell flies Clarence Thomas out to Canton, Ohio, puts it in the hall of Fame.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like this.

Yeah.

This could be good. It could be good for sports. Or instead of the second Super bowl, they could do Richard Mendenhall's idea and they could do the race bowl and have that played before the Super Bowl. I think that, all I know is.

Samuel Alito is going to be flying an NFL flag upside down.

I like that. Speaker two. Okay, next question. Trevor Lawrence just signed a massive new deal which. Okay, I, you know, I think he was injured last year. I think he's a good quarterback. It makes sense. You have to do it if you're the Jaguars. But like all of these new deals for quarterbacks, the question just immediately becomes who's next and what's the price? And I would assume Dak is on that list. Brock Purdy might be on that list. To us to so Caleb Williams, I'm ready to give him his long term deal right now. So what, who is next and what are the prices going to look like?

You mentioned Purdy and one of the things I hope doesn't happen this year when we're watching 49 ers games, I hope there aren't these graphics that are playing up the idea that Purdy is the cheapest starting quarterback in the NFL because the 49 ers can't do anything about it. By rule, if you're drafted undrafted, it's two years. If you're drafted, it's three years. You've got to wait three years before you're even eligible to have a second contract. So that applies to Caleb Williams, applies to Brock Purdy. And that's the time that we've said in the past with other guys, the Texans. Now with CJ Stroud, you've got two more years before he's even eligible for another contract. Spend on Stefan Diggs, Daniel Hunter and Joe Mixon because you can't pay the guy who's the most important player on your team for two more seasons. So Purdy gets set aside in a different category and he's got to wait at least a year, and then we'll see what the 49 ers do next year. Dak, I think, goes into a different category as well. I wrote this yesterday. Dax leverage doesn't come from whatever the market is.

Dax leverage comes from his contract and the cap number this year of 55.4 million and the cap charge next year of 54.5 million. If he leaves, they need to redo his deal and engineer these cap charges, or they're looking at 110 million over the next two years. That's going to be in Dak Prescott's name, because most of these contracts, they give you a lot of money early and they kick the can down the road, and at some point, you've got to deal with a giant freaking cap charge. And that's where the Cowboys are. And that's where Dax leverage is, because he can just sit back and say, like one of my all time favorite movies, goodfellas, oh, you had a fire. Fuck you, pay me. All business is bad. Fuck you, pay me. He could just sit back and say, fuck you, pay me. And that's where his leverage comes from. And the Cowboys know it. And it's keeping them from getting cd lamp sign and it's getting. It's keeping them from even thinking about Michael Parsons. They're in a mess. And it's all because of Dax contracts. And it's all because they waited too long to do his contract after he was eligible.

After his third year, they made him play under his fourth year of his rookie deal. They franchise tagged him a year, and then they finally realized we got a problem here. And now they've got an even bigger problem. So he's separate as well. The deeper question that you raised, though, as it relates to Trevor Lawrence, I said this about him, and I said this about Jared Goff, and I've said this about others in the past. Who are these teams bidding against when they make these gigantic market level offers? Who else is going to take this guy away from you and pay that much money? And maybe that would happen, maybe if the Lions had said, hey, Jared, we're going to let you become a free agent, and you can see what else is out there or not out there. Trevor, it's different. He had two years left, but that's the real thing with Tua and the Dolphins, because I think Tua wants to get something that starts with a five, not a four. And I don't think the Dolphins want to pay something that starts with a five. And you have to wonder, will they just say Tua?

Go ahead, because ask yourself that question. If two is available to anyone who wants him, what are they going to pay him? What's he going to get on the open market? And I feel like one of these days one of these teams is going to draw that line in the sand. The Vikings kind of did it with Kirk Cousins. They dared him to go get better than whatever they were willing to pay, and he did. And I can see the Dolphins doing that with Tua. Unless Tua comes down from wanting to be in this upper echelon of NFL quarterbacks.

I had one other question about the contracts. Is Patrick Mahomes contract like all of a sudden the best contract that's ever been signed for a team?

Oh, absolutely. Twelve years. And what they did last year, what they did last year, when Joe Burrow got his contract, they moved some of the money around so the cash flow for two or three years from a homes would be just a little better than Burroughs. And they're going to have to do that again. And they're going to have to do it again. And when you sign a twelve year contract, you're hoping that the team will do that as needed. They could fold their arms and say, too bad, you're under contract. The guy that I think should be making an issue here, and I mentioned this to Brandon Bean at the scouting combine, and I think he wasn't happy that I mentioned it, Josh Allen is getting screwed because Josh Allen doesn't have any devices in his contract that would force them to pay him more. He's at 45 as well. I mean, the two best quarterbacks in the NFL are at 45 million per year and now we've got guys at 55 million per year. At some point, Josh Allen needs to be saying to the bills, we got to do something about this because all due respect to Trevor Lawrence, he's not Josh Allen.

And if other guys get close to that, it just becomes more skewed and more warped. But that's what happens all the time. That's why I've been arguing for years that somebody needs to get a contract at the quarterback position that pays him a percentage of the salary cap. So as the cap goes up, his number goes up and you never get in this spot where you feel like the guy's getting screwed. He's always getting a specific 18%. 17.5675 however, they would negotiate it, but it's the same percentage of the total cap every year. And then you feel like the guy's being treated fairly and his contract will increase as the market goes.

That also sounds like a lot of math. That would be tough if I was a GM. I'd be like, that's. I have to do too much math for that track. Can I just. Just give me a number and I'll pay that. But to big cat's point, it's, everybody says you have to, you have to pay these guys. So, like, when it's Trevor Lawrence. Yeah. You kind of have to pay them because you're, you're afraid of just not having Trevor Lawrence, right? You're afraid of what, what the open market looks like. You're afraid of. Of being single again out there. And so it's like, I'd rather take Trevor Lawrence and just kind of, I know that I have to take my medicine on his contract than to have to start all over again because I feel like the fan base would get pretty frustrated if that were the case.

There's three types of teams in the NFL. Teams that have franchise quarterbacks, teams that don't, and teams that have a guy that they're not sure yet whether or not he's going to be one. And the Jaguars are betting that Lawrence is going to be one. One. And when he becomes one, they've got a damn good contract. That's what that 55 is. Because one of the things I've been preaching all off season, it's amazing how many teams don't pay attention to this. The longer you wait, the more expensive it gets. The Vikings waited too long with Justin Jefferson and it got a lot more expensive. The Cowboys are waiting with Dak and CD Lamb and Michael Parsons, and it's only getting more expensive. It never gets cheaper unless the guy literally gets hit by a bus or wakes up one day and can't play anymore. That's the only way it gets cheaper. Teams I don't think are smart to bet on the guy all of a sudden falling apart. You bet on him being good and the earlier you make that bet, the better off you're going to be. That's what was brilliant about what the Jaguars did.

Because if they had waited around for Dak to get his or tua to get his, or the next guy after that to get his, Jordan love is the one. We haven't talked about that Jordan love's gonna get paid based on half a season, but he's going to get paid. You wait as other guys get their deals done, it only makes the price higher. I think they could have gotten Trevor Lawrence for less if they'd have done it before Jared Goff got 53. So it was smart for the Jaguars to realize, hey, this is our guy. We're willing to go all in with them. Let's just, let's stop the bleeding, because it's only going to get more expensive.

Yeah, I actually think that there are four kinds of quarterbacks. There's the guy that's number one, there's our guy that's number two, and then there's. Is he the guy that's three and then not the guy that's four? And I would rather be in situation one, two or four than is he the guy?

I think you're right. I think you're right. Now, the Dolphins are kind of in two or three, and that's the problem when you have a large chunk of the fan base that are card carrying members of two and on. They want Tua to get a market level contract. And I know that tuas people are making comps statistically between Tua and the other guys who have the top contract. So there's a belief there that he deserves that. Then you got other people in the Dolphins fan base who are like, wait a minute, we can find 20 guys to do what this guy does. Now, I don't know who's right or who's wrong, but he's very polarizing. And to your point, you just have to be right. And once you know he's your guy, maybe he's not the guy. But if he's the best you're going to do, that's when you need to get that deal done. Because whatever he becomes, if he keeps playing well, it's going to keep getting more expensive. And I don't understand that. I don't know why tiers haven't developed where you have the best of the best, you have the middle and you have.

But it's all, we've seen this in recent years, okay, hey, I'm good enough and I'm eligible for a new contract. So I want to be the highest paid player in NFL history. And I'd like to think teams are going to push back a little more on that, but so far, most of them have.

You mentioned doing a contract that was proportional to the, you know, salary cap and then changing it or year over year? Do you think a team would ever, maybe the Dolphins with Tua would do almost like flash pricing where it's like, all right, here's our schedule. We're going to pay you Joe Burrow money for all games we think are going to be above 80 degrees. And then any game I think that's going to be below 40 degrees, you get Gardner Minshew money.

Yeah, there's a coke machine at one point.

Sorry.

I know you got the Pepsi cans on there.

Maybe we're Pepsi. It was Pepsi.

And I'm Pepsi, too. I've had Pepsi stock for 25 years, and I'm healthy. And only Pepsi, hashtag team Pepsi.

Of course you have Pepsi stock.

There was a soda machine that the price went up and down based upon how hot it was. There's some into that.

Okay, so I think this might be the new, I think the Dolphins should sit him down and be like, look, they scheduled us in New England, in Buffalo in December. You're going to have to take a pay cut that year.

I'll say this. Five years ago, the Rams were on the verge of making Jared Goff one of the highest paid players in football. And I was saying very loudly and very clearly, why are you doing that? Sean McVeigh is the guy running the offense. Goff had chances in Super Bowl 53 against the Patriots. You had Brandon Cooks wide open on the exact same play once in the first half, and he threw it to, I don't know if it was Alan Robinson or someone else. Instead, it wasn't Alan Robinson. It was Robert woods running across underneath. Cooks was open, and golf missed him. They did the same play in the second half. Hooks was wide open. Golf saw him too late, threw it late. Jason McCaugherty ran over and broke it up. If you make that throw, maybe the Rams win that game. And my point was, why are you going to be in a position where you're held hostage by this guy as your quarterback and pay him all that money when you could find somebody else? And the Rams were kind of hostile about it, and they were stubborn about it, and they paid him all that money.

And then two seasons later, what did they do? They gave up an extra first round pick in the Matthew Stafford trade to get golf off their books. And look, I think Jared Goff has done very well with the Detroit Lions.

Also, our friend you beat, Matt Stafford, beat Matt Stafford. He won that trade.

I think that the best thing that ever happened to him was the Rams kind of throwing him out the front door because it pushed him to a higher level of achievement. But that's the broader point. As I said earlier, who are you bidding against? What are your alternatives? And at some point, you just need to have confidence. And I think that's what the Vikings were doing this year with Kirk cousins. I really. I don't know this, but I don't think they really wanted him to come back back. I think they made an offer that wasn't so low, it was insulting. And they said, hey, go ahead, see what's out there and cross your fingers and hope that somebody else pays him enough that he leaves so they could reset. Because if you keep him, how long is he going to be there anyway? They reset with JJ McCarthy, and they see what happens. And you have a great play caller, a great play designer in Kevin O'Connell, a great quarterback whisperer. Maybe McCarthy becomes the guy they haven't had, really, since Fran Tarkin. And so you have to have the willingness, and I think to your point, son, Internet son, when you're in category two, but you're really kind of in category three.

Yeah.

You gotta be willing to slip into category three and say, this isn't our guy, and we're gonna go all the way to category four and move on.

No, but what usually happens, you're in category three. Is he the guy territory? And then you say, he. Yeah, you know, he's our guy. So you, like, will him into category two.

But if you go from three to.

Two, willing to say, fuck it, he's.

In category, you go back and forth from three to two. You should be in four. Yes. Justin Fields, Mitch Trubisky. Yes.

If you have that, spend the whole.

Time going back and forth between three and two.

Me and big cat are experts on guyism. We're guys sexual, and we've been through this song and dance before. We know what it is. Now with Kirk Cousins, him going to Atlanta. Atlanta just got slapped with maybe just the most moderate tampering penalty of all time, considering how long this investigation took. What happened with Kirk Cousins and Atlanta? Were they talking before the window? Were they talking numbers during the window? Were they not allowed to be? I don't understand how there was this big tampering investigation, and then they're like, you know what? Wasn't that bad.

There's two important background points. Number one, tampering happens all the time. The only people that get in trouble are the ones who are stupid enough to get caught. Everyone tampers. When you go to the scouting combine every year it's open season. The teams are there, the agents are there. There's no digital trail on anyone's phone because everyone's meeting with each other face to face, and you can talk openly and freely. And when you leave Indianapolis, the teams and the agents have an idea of who's going to be pursuing the top free agents. So the tampering happens. And the other side of it is Rich McKay, who's got an executive level job with the Falcons. He kind of got pushed out but up into a higher position during this most recent turnover of the coaching staff. He's very influential in league circles. He's the chair of the competition committee. He's tight with Roger Goodell. They had a fake crowd noise thing eight or nine years ago that they only got hit with a fifth round pick, $350,000 fine, but that's a parking ticket for a multibillion dollar business. A fifth round pick, that's the currency that gets the team's attention.

That's all they lost for deliberately pumping in fake crowd noise and getting caught doing it. So that's the background of this, I think what happened here was, and this is just my, you can call it fan fiction if you want. Really don't care. I've had enough to drink tonight that I really am not going to get dragged down by that. But I think after following this carefully, they pigeonholed it into, well, okay, these three guys that the Falcons talked to, it was after they reached agreement and it dealt with travel arrangements and other logistics. I just don't buy that. I think that they were talking to these guys during that negotiating window when they weren't allowed to. Kirk Cousins admitted four different ways they had tampered with him during his introductory press conference right after he signed his contract, and even before Kirk Cousins blurted out all the different ways they had tampered with him. I was suspicious about the Falcons getting to the point where they're comfortable guaranteeing $100 million to a guy that all we saw was him on a tennis court throwing a football. How do you get to the point where you're willing to commit nine figures to a 35 year old quarterback who blew out an achilles, and all you have by way of evidence to feel good about it is what you saw on a basketball court a few weeks before.

And anything they would have done to get more information about his health before they made that commitment was tampering, necessarily and positively, because I was sniffing around all that before this happened, because it's like something's not right here. They're talking to somebody they shouldn't be talking to. They're getting information they shouldn't be getting. And here's why it's important. Cousins had to make a decision because the Vikings were going to move on to Sam Darnold. So Cousins needs to know. Falcons, are you with me? Are you paying me? Because otherwise I'm taking this offer in Minnesota. That's what makes it troubling. If the Vikings really wanted him, he needed to make a decision. The Vikings needed to know so they could pivot to another guy if they wanted to. And I think, I think that if the Falcons didn't tamper even before the window opened and didn't get the information they needed about his health, they're just stupid.

Yeah.

How would you commit $100 million to a guy and not know well anything about his health?

Well, they drafted Michael Pennix after signing him to that, so they could be stupid.

That, that's entirely, it's, that's an excellent point. It's entirely possible that they are just stupid.

Yeah. Or they think they have the greatest medical staff in the world where they're like, we'll take Kirk cousins with an achilles, and then Michael panics with every leg injury ever. Yeah.

Maybe they drafted Pennix just to get his ligaments for Kirk.

Oh.

How long do you guys think that cousins will be with Atlanta? What's your over on?

Two years.

Two years sounds about right to me because that's, that's when the guaranteed money runs out. Right. And then you have a first round pick and eventually you're going to want to see what that guy can.

And I feel like it's like maybe, maybe wins the NFC south this year, goes to a playoff game, then next year maybe like a slow start, and then that's it.

Here's the key, though. Next year his compensation is only $27 million. So you could trade him. I know he's got a no trade clause, but if you want to move on to Michael Pennix junior.

Yeah.

He wants to play, wants to make him a starter. He'll wave his trade.

Yeah.

People, people get so caught up by the no trade clause. Hey, what's my choice? I'm going to get dicked around here in Atlanta or I'm going to go somewhere else where they want me and the money is the same. I'll go there, wherever it is. Miami. I mean, that's, that's, that's back to Tua.

Yeah.

I'm going to pay to a 55 if maybe next year I can get cousins for 27 and he can come in and run this offense to perfection. Mike McDaniel was a Kyle Shanahan protege. Shanahan has wanted cousins for years. Really? Ever since they split ways in Washington. Shanahan's been plotting this path to get back to Kirk Cousins until he got Brock Purdy. So there could be the Dolphins, there could be other teams that want Cousins next year. I think it could be as short as one year with Cousins in Atlanta.

I mean, it'd be very interesting if Kirk's not good to go for the start of the season and they put Pennix in there and Pennix is really, really good, and then you've just got Kirk Cousins on your bench for 100 million guaranteed. That's kind of what I'm rooting for. I think that'd be very funny to see there's some other, other rookie quarterbacks out there. Three people in this room drafted a rookie quarterback. So can you give us your initial power rankings of the top three quarterbacks taken in the draft?

I love Caleb Williams.

Yep.

I think he, we spent time with him at the scouting combine, and I was just blown away. You know, when a kid that young just gets it, it loses out of everything about him. We love talking to him. We loved it, and I was trying.

To love that you loved it.

I was trying to get him to say he won't play for the Bears and he only wants to play for the Vikings. I really tried to do that.

Never.

And Jaden Daniels. Hey, son, when we, I don't know how many guys we interviewed at the combine, defensive players from the SEC, we tried to ask most of them as long as we could remember, who's the toughest guy you faced in college? And all those guys said Jaden Daniels to a man who was Jayden Daniels? Pretty good because he's there and then he's gone.

Yeah.

And he could be more talented at the end of the day than Caleb Williams. They could both end up being great. The difference between this year and 2021, we had Trevor Lawrence and five guys who've been traded for day three picks in three years, which is just amazing. These guys are ready to go.

Yeah.

Now Drake May, Drake May, I think, may take some time.

Heavy ball.

There's a chance we could go four out of five.

Whoa.

These guys end up being good quarterbacks by the time it's all said and done. Who do you think for three years ago when it was one out of.

Five, who's, who's the odd man out?

Six.

There's six. I forgot there was six.

Yeah. So, so just go ahead, go down that list. Who's the odd man out?

I, Bo Nicks.

I wonder what's going to happen with Knicks. And I wonder because we're getting weird signals from Sean Payton about whether it's going to be him or Jared Stidham or maybe even Zach Wilson. And I don't know if this is just make the kid earn it. But, you know, people are wondering how much of what happened last year was Russell Wilson. How much is it Sean Payton is the game passing him by? He's dealing with a lot of that.

He got Lasik, though, about it. He got. Wait, did he get Lasik after he drives removed? So did he have the cataracts when he was evaluating Bo Nicks?

I don't know. I don't know. It's a great question. I look at it the other way. If I was one of these guys, I would want to be in Minnesota because look at what Kevin O'Connell did last year.

Wait, who, what team you root for.

That's fine.

Okay. All right.

I'm capable being objective.

Okay. So am I. I'm not, but I don't do it. But I am.

Let's compare and contrast.

Okay?

If Caleb Williams comes in and kicks ass and is great.

Yes.

And, and has 4500 passing yards this year and the Bears go to the playoffs, Shane Waldron's gone next year.

Okay, that's fine.

And you got to go get a new offensive coordinator and hope it works the following year. Same, same thing in Washington. If it works.

Come on, who cares?

But you're being mean right now. It feels like you're being very mean and.

No, you're being like, oh, big and.

PFT have never had happiness. You should not be happy.

Even though 400 yard passing game last seven times.

That's okay.

Yeah. Then what happened? Okay, so I understand what you're saying, but what if Caleb Williams is so good that Matt Eberfluss gets another job up? Well, that would be crazy.

Really. What. What I would hope for if I were you. And I, and I. I feel bad saying this because Matt Eberfluss has a completely different demeanor. It's amazing how a guy changes when the best guy in the draft falls into your lap because the Panthers made a shitty trade last year and gave you that pick. But Eberfluss, like, he's got the goatee.

And he's got the hair. No, he got funked up. He got fucked up.

He's, he's, he's the man now. Yeah, but I'd almost want if I were you, at some level, I'd be hoping that it struggles just enough so the bears could hire somebody who is Jim Harbaugh, an offensive guru, and you attach him to Caleb Williams hip for ten years. Look at what happened with Drew Brees and Sean Payton. You. That's what you want. You want continuity, you want consistency? Look at the Texas Bobby slow. It's going to be gone sooner than later. And CJ Stroud is going to have to figure it out with a new coordinator. And that's a big deal. Guy brings in a new playbook, he's got new calls, he's got new attitudes, got new approach. How much of that's going to problem?

I would love to have. Like this is a problem. If you tell me the Caleb Williams throws for 35 touchdowns and yards and bears go to the playoffs, and then we. Shane Waldron. Sign me the fuck up.

You know what the best problem to have is? No problem. Okay?

Everyone's got a problem. Everyone's got a problem. All right, so this is fired me up. Just talking ball with Mike. I got the football in my hand. I got one last question for you, Mike. Rowback question. Rho B a c k. Promo code, take 20% off your first purchase cues. It's polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback calm promo code take. It's actually a question in a comment. I'll start with the comment. Was writing this headline maybe one of the lowest points of your career in terms of. Holy shit, we need football back? Mike Florio published this today. Actually, today, Sunday, Father's day. He's working on father's day. Us Olympic swimming trials set attendance record at Lucas Oil Stadium. That's your NFL tie in that. It happened at the cold stadium. Speaker one.

Listen, listen. Lucas Oil Stadium is in the top quartile of the upper quartile of all stadiums, as Jim Mercier would say. And don't you accuse me of pandering to my corporate overlords when all I got to do is look around at.

All right, that's fine. But I just saw that headline. I was like, we're talking about a swimming record in a football.

Was the roof open? Did you open the roof for it? That's the big question.

I have to keep.

That's a good time. Yes. All right. You got to keep the cock happy. All right, now give us. We've talked a lot of facts that Mike Florio knows. Let's go. Opinions that Mike Florio is thinking. Give us a team you think is going to surprise us when we get back to football. What team you got?

Oh, you like Ross?

You think Ross or Justin Fields? I just think that bringing Arthur Smith in there, and it's funny how many Steelers fans lose their shit. Because Arthur Smith, oh, he stunk as a head coach. Yeah, but he was good enough as a coordinator to become a head coach.

True.

Now he's a coordinator again. So he's not your head coach. He's running the offense. I feel like there was just enough shit that went down late last year with Mike Tomlin maybe considering his options. And enough of that trickled up to Art Rooney II, the guy who runs the team, to realize, we gotta do something about our offense. So in comes Arthur Smith, they blow up the quarterback depth chart. They've still got a great defense. And look at what they've managed to do. Tomlin's superpower is to take a room full of guys that you would individually look at them and say, okay, and slap them all together and make it into a playoff team. And I know other coaches who will. And this isn't just Antonio Brown. There are others that fall into this bucket, guys who played for Tomlin that go elsewhere. And they're like, this guy's a fucking pain in the ass. I had no idea. This guy's a fucking pain in the ass. How does Mike Tomlin do it? He knows how to speak to the better angels of all these players and get the most out of them. You bring in Russell Wilson, who's on his last chance, this is it for him if he blows it now.

He took a team friendly deal, Mike. I read that headline.

No, he didn't take a team friendly deal. Yeah, that's what, 39 million this year.

Schefter said he took a team friendly.

Yeah, it's no team friendly deal.

I know.

This is his last chance. He's got to hold off Justin Fields and he's got to play well this year. Because after this year, he's gone. He's free agent Fields. After this year, he's gone. He's a free agent. In a weird sort of way, it's like the old Seinfeld episode where Lloyd Braun and Costanza were trying to sell computers and the winner gets a water pick and the loser gets fired. One of these guys is getting the starting job in 2025 and one of them is getting fired. And I think what's going to happen once those Steelers fans start seeing what Justin Fields can do on the ground and if he's running circles around guys playing second string in the preseason, they're going to fall in love with him. So Russ had better get it done because if he struggles at all, the Steelers fans are going to be chanting for Justin Fields. And I think Tomlin knows how to handle all that. But I think when you see the odds out there, I think we had the draftkings odds on PFT live recently. It's stunning how little people believe in the Steelers based upon where the odds currently are.

Okay. Yeah. And Justin Fields, one of the best play, one of the best games, even played as a pro. I was there Monday night football against the Steelers at Hines Field.

So they know and people forget. That's also where Russ did his little pantomime huddle thing, where he's pretending to call plays when. That was at Hines Field. Yeah. So he's got experience running visual drills on that field.

Whoa.

Because he did. He. I think that might have been where he did the fake ass bumps to.

For some reason I thought that was at Lambo, but then Lambo was the game that he came back. Remember when he got healed so bad fast?

Miracle.

Yeah, it was a miracle. But then he sucked because he clearly still had a broken thumb.

Yeah. Oh, Mike, I got a topic just to get you wound up on real quick, because I'm sure that Chiefs fans love you. How do you feel about the Chiefs offseason this year, most specifically dealing with legal issues?

Well, I know this, they must really love Rasheed rice because you know how this goes. If you're good enough, they'll twist themselves. And not just the Chiefs. Any team at any level in any sport will twist themselves into knots to excuse bad behavior. If you're borderline or scrub, you're gone. You're the guy we're going to make the example out of. And they really do believe in Rasheed rice. And one of the things I learned when I was poking around on some of these edges with the, we all know about the street racing incident, eight felony charges that are pending. There could be more because he's yet to be charged with leaving the scene of an accident involving injuries. So he's got legal issues and I'll be surprised if he's playing week one. He's either going to be on the commissioner's exempt list or he will have pled guilty to one or more of these felonies and he'll be suspended under the personal conduct policy. They love him because he came in last year and he figured out the offense quickly, faster than Tyree kill did. He had a better first year in Kansas City in the Andy Reid offense than Tyree kill did.

So they see a ceiling for him that is just going to potentially explode. That's why they're dealing with it. And the other thing, too, is, and we've seen players like this over the years. When they go back home and run with guys that they've known their whole life, they get influenced in a certain way. You know, it's the whole Aaron Hernandez thing. If he'd have been drafted by the Seahawks or the Rams or the Chargers and away from New England, who knows what the alternate universe might be. But to be around those guys in Dallas like Rice was. I think the Chiefs believe if they can, can use everything they have to get him pointed in the right direction, keep him away from the guys in Dallas that have gotten him into trouble, that he'll break a certain way. But eight felonies, we've seen the video. I don't know how he gets out of this without a major problem with the NFL. So he's going to miss some time to start the season, I believe. But the Chiefs are tolerating it because they know what he can do. And look, I picked the Chiefs to win the last two Super Bowls, and it really isn't a stretch.

I mean, really now. And the thing I love about the Chiefs, because I remember growing up in the seventies, and the Steelers would kick the shit out of everybody and then another team would come along, kick the shit out everybody. The Chiefs make every game they're in. Interesting. The playoff games, there's never a blowout. Every Super bowl, they got to come from behind. It's like going to. It's like going to a Batman movie. You know, Batman ain't going to get killed, but it's. You're going to have moments where you're like, well, what's going to happen to Batman? That's what happens with the chief. So it's never boring. It's always exciting. And how, I mean, even with everything that's happened this offseason, does anybody really think they're just going to go away this year?

I don't know.

You're going to win again.

Yeah, they're going to win it.

Do you want to pick them to win again right now?

No, but I probably will by September.

I just did. I picked them to win again.

All right, well, Mike, everyone, please do go by Mike's book. He is one of our favorite guests. Like I said, he. You can't tell this history of. Pardon my take without Mike Florio. It was great. Just talking ball. Yeah.

You ever read, if you were starting to read my Christmas book, but I never heard from you again, so I assume you didn't finish it.

No, I did. I read a couple pages.

I read.

I got the gist of it. I got the gist of it.

I read it and. And then Blake took it from me and he started eating it. And he loved Blake.

He, like, is awesome. He wanted a dog so bad, he loved another one.

He looked very happy while he was eating it.

It.

So he loved your book.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's probably better on the way in than the way out.

Yeah. Yeah, I got the gist of it. It's a book.

All right.

Yeah. But, Mike, you are the best, and welcome to faze me. We'll talk to you maybe in August.

Thanks.

What's after phase means? Is it phase you? Phase we.

I don't know.

Phase?

I don't know. I have no idea.

Okay, well, enjoy. Faze me.

All right, Mike, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to end on such a low note. I don't have anything witty to. To say, so what the fuck? All I can say is goodbye and I love you, Hank.

Hank is. Hank just did the wrap it up thing where he's like, Mike is talking too much. He did that. Get fired up at Hank again?

No, that's fine. I'm fine now.

No. Okay. All right. Well, Mike, you're the best. All right, love you.

Love you. Bye, Mike.

Bye.

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Okay, we're running long, so let's. We'll put Monday reading to next Monday because it can wait. Max has been here the entire time. Now. Max missed his flight because he was so sad about Thursday's show. So he missed the show today, but he's been listening the whole time. He's been taking notes for Max's minute. So, Max. Hello? What did we get wrong?

Hello? Not everything was not much that was actually wrong. I just have some notes of things that I would like to say.

Okay, you're like Luca Brazzy right now. Okay, why are you. Why are you not able to speak?

Can speak. Okay, I'm literally speaking.

By the way, shout out Big Dom for sending us these big doms.

The best.

Great big Dom said, it's a care package. And I texted Big Dom a picture of it and said, thank you so much. And he just replied, my pythons. And I fucking. I love it.

I hate how much I love.

My brother was so excited when I showed him that. That response that it just said, my pythons.

My pythons.

Okay, ready?

Yes.

Loser winner thing. Mean loser tried to show up. Loser hates Philadelphia airport. The Philly airport is dead to the loser. Wait, thanks, rushing.

What was this?

He's referring to himself as loser.

Okay, you are the loser.

The loser minute.

Can you. Can is a loser in the room with you right now?

I'm the loser. Oh, that was when you were doing, like, the whole metaphor thing of, like, there's a loser and the loser didn't show up.

God.

Oh, you mean like Bryson and Rory?

Yeah. So you're Rory.

Yeah, yeah, he's Rory.

I'm Rory. Correct.

The hundreds of millions of dollars in the major championships.

All right, you're. You're the one who said it.

What?

You sound like inferring that I was the loser.

So what do you think?

No, you just heard. You inferred yourself.

Yeah, we never said anything about what.

They said was up for a interpretation. And you interpret UK.

We were talking. We're doing the show, and you were literally writing. I think they're talking about me because they mentioned a loser.

I distinctly did not mention your name. I was saying that we would never do something like that on this show.

I hate you guys. Okay, can I continue?

Over one.

Hank's wrestling anger face is so much worse than Bryson's.

Yeah, it wasn't. We're talking about Bryson. So over two.

Over two.

We're talking about Patrick Cantlay.

Yeah, we're talking about Patrick Cantley.

Okay.

Yeah, actually, yeah. No, Patrick Hanley and Hank. Kind of. Kind of similar in that respect.

I'm gonna pull up his face. Right.

You're not. You do not have a dumpy body like he does.

No. Soon, though.

What?

I'm trying to get a fat ass.

You are BBL Hank for.

Yeah.

Dunking lower body.

How fat are we talking?

I mean, just anything that's, like, not inverted would be nice.

You know, permission to look when you get it. Yeah. Okay.

You get caked up on a side.

He's peaches.

That's gonna look real good with a shaved head.

Yeah. Yeah. You're gonna look like Sigourney Weaver in alien.

Mmm.

Hot.

Hot. You didn't see that movie?

No.

Okay, Max over to Tatum went 15.

Five, and three on four of ten shooting. He is now shooting 36% from the field and 29% from three this series. I just, like, thought that we should have talked. We should talk about that.

Okay. That's actually a good addition. One. One for three. Yeah. Yeah. One for three. Similar to Tatum shooting.

Yep.

Would you say that you're having a good show then?

What?

Would you say you're having a good show right now?

You went one for three.

No, I'm having a bad show.

Okay, good.

You're smart.

You're learning.

The Kristops. Get him on the court. To win a championship was such a dumb statement. Put him on the court for no reason.

I don't know why, but in the moment, I was like, yeah, that makes sense.

They just tried him out there at the innovative. What were you thinking, Hank? Like, in, like, the third quarter, they would get him out there, like, they're.

Up, you know, 1520, and then he.

Checks in for the last, like, 30 seconds.

Yeah, something like that.

Oh, no, they wouldn't do that.

We'll see. There's still time.

Okay. Joel Embiid, very talented man. Not tampering. Men are allowed to roll their eyes.

Or allow to roll their eyes. I don't know about that.

Bankrolls.

I think that's more of a woman's thing.

That's what.

Rolling your eyes. I don't know if men are allowed to roll their eyes.

Men roll their eyes.

Yeah. I don't think so.

Like, it's not. It's not illegal.

I think it should be. Okay.

All right, fine.

Orioles would have had to sweep the series if you were to consider it a throttling. You don't know throttling?

Okay, well, they throttled them because they lost one game in extra innings, and they beat them six to two and eight to. They throttled them.

They would. That means nothing.

And also games, they lost one. Yeah, they throttle them.

A throttling would be a sweep in.

The games that they beat them. They throttled them.

No, the game yesterday was not a throttling. It was a one run, but it was a one run game.

And then they.

They throttled a bunch of insurance runs.

The insurance runs.

Yeah, it's Ronaldo.

They really had a one lead, and then all the other runs were just insurance.

Right.

Yesterday was a good game.

Throttled today what?

I don't know. Water dogs.

Water.

Don't have a face off guy. Which is crazy.

Is that just.

What about choose every face off guys? No, he's. He's just a score score guy. He's got scores.

So is our new coach is not doing face offs.

I think the one. They just don't do face offs because they're. I think their face off guy got hurt and they just choose not to.

Do face offs because that's how we lose.

Everyone on Saturday was they just won face off in overtime and scored 2 seconds later.

Yes. That guy had three goals just off of the face. Off the face off guy.

Yeah.

So crazy. Should we get a new face off guy? Should we wait for our face off guy to get healthy? Healthy?

I don't know. We need it. We need a face off guy. This I learned a lot about lacks weekend. It was kind of fun.

Okay.

Go birds. We were just talking about birds.

Okay.

I talked to Jack Mac. He said there's no bugs in the impossible meat. That was something I wanted to come back to.

Oh, okay.

Got it.

It's so right.

There were bugs.

Yeah, no bugs. Okay. All right.

And lastly, lastly, I would like to ask Hank if game five is must win.

Oh.

Hank or Max?

You, you.

You may officially be having a great show. Yes, it's a must win.

Yeah. When you said earlier that you weren't nervous at all, then you lied.

Yeah, you lied. A must win. You have to be nervous about a must win.

I told you I was a little nervous. I'm 50%.

No, you're way more than 15.

If it's a must, Moss wins or not. Not 15%, but it's at home.

It's six one seven.

Is it a must win?

Six wins.

A must win.

Six one seven.

If it's a must win, you have to be nervous.

I told you guys I was a little nervous.

Not must win nervous. You sound more like can't lose nervous.

But every game is a must win.

Don't do that. No.

Every single game.

No, this last game wasn't a must.

Yeah. You're up.

Three nothing.

Friday night was not a must win.

But now it's. Now it's three one.

You should have made. You should have made Friday night a must win.

Sounds like you didn't take Friday night as a must win.

No, I didn't. And I learned from my mistakes.

So now every game's a must.

Yes.

Okay, so you are nervous.

A little bit. Yeah.

Sounds like you're a lot nervous.

A lot nervous.

If you're making muscle mass wins.

Yeah.

You're up three one. You're basically up. Well, no, you were up three nothing.

Great job, Max.

Thank you.

I muted myself. I'm sorry.

All right, good show, boys. Good show. It's great being back in studio.

Oh, Max, do you have any comment about the. The guy on the eagles that was caught on camera after banging an OnlyFans model, and then she videotaped him running naked down the hotel room hallway?

He was probably sleepwalking.

Okay, that's fair.

It was more sleep running.

Yeah, it was a very funny. Is a very funny video.

Sounds like you're not locked in on your birds.

It was a Terrell. Terrell Lewis.

T Lou.

T Lou likes the onlyfans ladies. Allegedly. And then the OnlyFans lady tagged him and a bunch of coaches from the eagles on Twitter.

Big Dom will take care of that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, numbers. 820.

18.

I'm not gonna. You have to do one. You're on the show. You have to do one.

Six or 17.

All right, fine. 56. But this is Mickey Mouse. If I went, oh, it's not.

It's a real ball.

What? Six or seven?

He's trying to take six. One. Seven.

Yeah, but you can't. You can't do two numbers.

All right, 17.

That's a panic move.

No, I just want to sneak one in there. You never know.

Almost worked.

Sneak in two numbers. Okay, Shane.

21.

99.

Poke pugs at the headphones up.

Yeah. Pug.

Holy pug.

Hug the plug.

Pug. What? Uh, real quick. Anything you want to apologize for? What?

You're getting hit up for tickets?

No, no, no. Not that. I don't care that I didn't end with Pug.

Yeah, yeah. I got caught up in them. I was too focused on the ad.

You did a whole ad, and I was like, who did this?

I know.

He just never said pug.

I dropped an immediate apology, though. Pug.

Okay. Terms apply. Terms. All right, memes, what was your number?

Three?

Max, have you ever gotten this?

No.

So I'm actually kind of rooting for Max to get this because he said he doesn't want it to count. So you're saying it won't count?

No, you will. You said it. Count it. I said it'd be Mickey Mouse.

Okay, so it will be Mickey Mouse.

Yeah.

24.

Love you guys.

As if it was 20.

You would not have reacted that way if it was funny.

I know, I know.

We would just cut your screen off.

Yeah.

You wouldn't have come back if it was 20.

Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know what say?

I say it anyway.

Today is another day to find you. Shine it away.

I'll be coming for your love of me.

Shine away.

I'll be coming for your love of kick on me. Take me only like the same. Say after me. Take on me. Take on me. Take me

easily.

You all think that shying away. I'll be coming for you anyway you. Shine away. I'm coming to you anyway.

Me. I.