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This.

This is the sign when people say that on the news. I was like, ah, now we're fine. America's still fine. Today was the first day where I was like, we might be in some trouble.

We used to be a country, a proper country where men could gather around on the 4 July and eat 70 hot dogs and have the whole world rejoice. It was a positive force for America. I love the 4 July. I love the hot dog eating contest. I haven't missed it going back to the kobayashi years when it became an event. And now major league eating. I don't know which side to take here. Am I taking Joey? I want to take Joey's side because I like Joey Chestnut and he is a goddamn american hero. But major league eating is saying that he was doing a sponsorship deal with impossible meets, which, yes, that's a little weird to begin with for Joey to be doing that sponsorship, but they're paying him. I'm not going to judge him for taking the bag. And there was a sponsorship that conflicted with the Nathan's hot dog eating. Some people were saying he was going to try to eat vegan hot dogs. I know Joey, Jess, not pretty well.

That's crazy.

And I'm sure that Joey would not want any sort of competitive imbalance that would go along with eating a vegan hot dog.

So I saw that rumor going around. If Joey Chestnut tried to eat the vegan hot dogs on the 4 July, I would 100% be on the side of major league eating. Don't ever let him eat another hot dog again in his life. I don't think that ever was on the table. I also. I don't know about impossible meats. Are they, are there bugs in the hot dogs? Because I will not eat the bugs. So I want to make sure that I have all my facts right before I take a stand here. I will not eat the bugs.

I don't know if there's bugs. I don't think that there's bugs in them. I okay, my knowledge, it's just, it's fake meat. It's like soy.

I will not eat the bugs. Here's the thing. One Joey chest not being. Not being there is means that, like, 4 July is basically canceled. Now. People who are arguing he should never do an impossible meets brand sponsorship, I understand. I felt a little betrayed as well. But at the end of the day, Joey Chestnut is, like, at the top of the list of guys that I root for to be really rich because he's a legend, he's an american hero. He's one of the greatest athletes I've ever seen in my entire life. I think. I think my lucky stars that I was put on this earth at the same time as Joey Chestnut. Joey Chestnut's not rich as far as I can tell because the dude is still, like, going to Schenectady, New York in the middle of May to down 100 oysters for five grand. Like, I'm pretty sure that he just needs the sponsorships he gets. So I'm hoping it's like a live situation where Joey Chestnut is just getting the bag from impossible meets and I tip my cap to them because I'll never, ever pocket watch or judge someone who's going to get their money.

I'm just really sad overall. Like, overall, the whole situation has saddened me and shook me way more than I thought it would. I was thinking about this from the moment it was announced because then I got on my flight until we were able to talk about it here. It's been just rattling my whole, like my wife was like, what's wrong? I was just like, I don't want to talk about it right now. Joey Chestnut's not going to compete in the 4 July. I was, I was that upset.

Yeah, I'm fine with Joey getting paid. Get paid by any means necessary. I can't, I can't imagine that the, the career span of a competitive eater goes into your like fifties and sixties. I feel like it's a young man's game. So get the bag when you can. He's, he's also the best to ever do something that everybody that has ever lived does. Yes, we've all eaten every person here. Everybody eats. Joey Chestnut is the best person, the best eater of all time in the history of the world. He needs to be rich for that fact. So yes, get the bag. I don't know if it's a live situation. There are some similarities there, like kingdom of Saudi Arabia and PETA Handshake. Don't eat pork. I get that. But I don't think that there is a, I don't think that there's like a compet, a competitive league that's forming, that's trying to draw players away. I think if anything, and our friend TJ pointed this out, TJ Hitchens, uh, he might be putting us all over. This might be a work. Yeah, that's why I want to talk to Joey about it. Because impossible meets does some sort of co branding with Nathan's.

So there's already a business relationship there. I don't know if this is him turning heel and then he's going to come back like stone cold. I don't know what, what's going to happen, but I do know that my 4 July is going to be significantly worse.

And I know people want to take. Hank, I'll get to you in a sec. I know people want to take stands and I understand that. And I get it because my initial reaction was like, how could they ban him? And then when I realized it was impossible burgers and there could potentially be bugs at stake here. That's not american. Like eating bug burgers, eating bug dogs on, on 4 July is not american. Which I'm upset that Joey took that type of money. But at the end of the day, I think this whole story just bummed me out more than anything. It's like one of those ones where I'm just sad about ever how everything why can't we get to the table and figure out, why can't America and Joey Chestnut shake hands on July 4? Like, this is putting the world to pick a side between Joey Chestnut and the country we love. It's impossible. No pun intended.

Well, because Joey is a very unique creation of the country that we love. Joey Chestnut would not exist in any other country. But because of the good old USA and the stars and stripes, we have the best person to ever eat food that lives within our borders, and we all get to watch them and root for them on tv. And it is, it's actually sad because this is an example of human greatness that we're all going to miss out on the 4 July because of some sort of business dispute. And so we're really, we're the losers here.

And I'm hoping we can get Joey on the show at some point in the next week or so. I would love to maybe figure out a way to see how many barstool employees Joey thinks he could challenge on the 4 July. Kobe. Pretty fun. Well, or Kobayashi. But, like, Joey, what's the number of people you think that you could beat on the 4 July? And he just took on like 15 of us.

Kobayashi did retire from eating.

He did. But you can always, there's, if we've learned anything, everyone's got a price. What?

I mean, we can cut it. Big cat. We were talking to them last year, like we had doing their return match.

I know, but Kobayashi retired since then.

Oh, he retired again.

I think he retired again. We were talking about, we were going to do a rough and rowdy Joey Chestnut Kobayashi mashup, where, like, it would be like in between fight ten and eleven, they come out and eat a shitload of dogs, and then we go right back to fighting.

Yeah, we, we discussed that with Joey when he was on the podcast.

Yeah, yeah, no, then there was serious, there was, there was serious negotiations for four months, then it went nowhere. But, but it was like it was happening.

Yeah, I, I'm just sad. I also, I love whenever a story like this happens where, like, from the outside people be like, are you guys really leading the podcast with hot dog eating like losers? No, we're not losers. And I'll show you how serious this is in the press release for major league eating. Major league eating said in a statement, for nearly two decades, we have worked under the same basic hot dog exclusivity provisions. I love that there were hot dog exclusivity provisions. I didn't know that.

Yeah. And then Joey issued a statement 4 hours ago Joey. Joey posted this online. I was gutted to learn from the media that after 19 years I'm banned from the Nathan's July 4 hot dog eating contest. I love competing that event. I love celebrating America with my fans all over this great country. On the fourth, I've been training to defend my title. First of all, kind of a rat move that he learned about this from the media. He found out the same way we all found out. He goes on, he says to set the record straight, I do not have a contract with Mle or Nathan's and they're looking to change the rules from past years as it relates to other partners I could work with. This is apparently the basis on which I'm being banned and it doesn't impact the July 4 event. Sadly, this is the decision Nathan's and major league eating are making and it will deprive the great fans of the holiday's usual joy and entertainment to my fans. I love you and I appreciate you. Rest, rest assured that you'll see me eat again soon. Stay hungry.

It's. I feel like John Madden died all over again. That's how I feel right now.

Yeah. It's a turducken of sadness.

I'm grieving. I actually have had a, I don't know what to say. I just. You can't have this. You can't have 4 July without Joey Chestnut. So we'll try our best to figure out a way to get Joey Chestnut into the 4 July, whether it's through Nathan, Nathan's or not. But I don't know how, how we can't. I guess this is like, now I understand why countries go to war. Like, how can you not? We're sitting back and being like, how can major league eating and Joey Chestnut not sit down and figure this whole thing out? Yeah, they should be vegan dogs. They should be.

What is, what is the core issue here? Are they afraid that Joey's going to show up wearing an impossible hot dogs hat?

No, I think he just, I think they said that it would be like if, if MJ was like, oh, now I'm wearing adidas. But I don't know. It's not. He was going to compete in Nathan's. He wasn't going to talk about impossible burgers. He was just doing that on the outside. On the outside of the 4 July, which I think he should be allowed to do. I think he should be allowed to get. I wish he didn't do the bug dogs, but I think he should be allowed to get his money.

I think there's soy. Boys. I don't think that there's any insects in those dogs.

Okay, well, I'm not going to eat the bugs. I just want that very clear how.

I will drink the bug.

What?

How rich do you think Joey Chestnut should be in your and your estimate? Like, for up to you, billionaire.

I'm being honest. Joey Chestnut.

What?

What is Joey Chestnut? What does Jeff Bezos do better than Joey Chestnut? Not a lot. What does Elon musk do better than Joey Chestnut? Like, I want Joey Chestnut to be so rich that he can do whatever he wants, and then every 4 July, he just comes in, in his helicopter, maybe even in, like, an inspector gadget suit, just fucking swoops in, eats his 74 hot dogs, wows the crowd, and then swoops out, and he just goes back to his awesome life. That's what he deserves.

The amount that he trains is crazy, too. Like, he is. He is literally an athlete. He is as good at his sport as anybody has ever been at their sport.

He is. Yeah.

He's Jesse Owens, Michael Jordan. Shohei Ohtani, secretary of.

Minus the steroids secretary.

It's heart.

Yeah.

All rolled into one. That's what Joey is.

How rich do you think he should be, Hank?

No, I was just curious. You brought that up a couple times. But he's one event a year. I don't know how.

Like, it's not one of them a year, but it.

But it. But. But that. My point is, like, he should. He has one event a year. He should be able to go get his money outside of that, because the other. The oyster eating competition isn't paying. He goes and eats like, you know, you see him, and he's. He's in. He's in Bakersfield, California, eating cake flavored tampons for seven grand. It's like, the guy deserves more than that. He deserves Hank. By the way, I thought you had a flight tonight. Why are you at home?

I did have a flight tonight, but I am. I'm back in Chicago, and I'm feeling it.

What happened? Nice. Nice drop there. What happened?

I was going to save it for Fyre fest because it just. You know, they talk about golf. Like, don't compound mistakes. You know, don't let one bad shot become two bad shots, et cetera, et cetera. My real life version of that was at the end of my last trip, which was a couple months ago. My suitcase, I realized, broke. Like, when I put it down the handle and I couldn't pull it up and I had to fucking like push my suitcase, like basically lean down and push it and roll it in the airport all the way to my car, which was a brutal experience. Completely forgot about it. And then today I packed up my suitcase. I'm waiting for my elevator. I go to pull up the handle, it's broken. And I started like jamming the suitcase, trying to open it. I put my backpack down, really fucking got in there and started jamming it. Finally opened it. Get on the elevator, get in the uber, sit in the uber for like an hour and ten minutes because of traffic. Get out. Gives my suitcase. I walk inside, I'm like, oh, shit. Realize I forgot my backpack, run out, like, hope I can catch my uber, catch him.

I'm like, I left my backpack. He's like, no, you didn't. I was like, I just opened the back. Not in there, not in the back. Left it at my house. And it had, it had all the shit I needed. Like, I was debating whether or not I could just not have anything. My backpack, but it had my laptop, my mic, a bunch of, the bunch of shirts I needed. Like, it had a bunch of stuff that I needed. So then I had to.

Marijuana turner.

No, no, no. Marijuana don't travel. Your gun, my gun, your full tool set that you. It was more my laptop and mic.

Wait, this is so much worse than I thought. You had your backpack on and you.

Put it down because my suitcase was broken. Yeah, cuz I was like, I was doing it as my elevator was coming up, so, like, I finally opened it as my elevator got up, and I just, like, I just got right on. And then it was an hour and a half to get back, so I just went to rosemont, illinois, got my hair cut in about some old woman, did it in like ten minutes, ate a depressing subway.

So you did compound a mistake with the mistake.

Well, I was like, I'm not going to sit in trouble. I just sat in track for an hour and a half. I don't want to sit in traffic for 2 hours now. Like, I need to just, like, I need to go eat and, and I needed to get a haircut, which I was going to do tomorrow, which then I don't have time to do tomorrow. So I was like, I need to get a haircut somewhere. And I just found the closest place. So, yeah, I'm home. And I missed awful.

Are you flying out tomorrow?

I'm flying out first thing in the morning.

Oh, my God.

Set your alarm.

Well, I know, Hank, so you also had. So that, that's bad news. Also, you had bad news with Celtics, which I don't. Should we have you read the injury? And then do you want an apology for Max? What do you want? Max, famously, on. On Sunday night, said, oh, Christops is hurt again. Let's go.

Context.

I spent that uber up there when I thought I had my backpack. I'm thinking, I'm just getting on the flight. I'm like, we're cursed. We're cursed.

We're cursed.

Recurse. Like, is there a chance we're cursed? This is bad. I've never spent. There is nothing like being a sports fan and going across the various sports Twitter doctors and kind of choosing the one that you like. That sounds the best. Because there was conflicting reports all over the place with, like, oh, this is bad. He might never play again. Oh, you know, they can tape it up and he can be fine. I don't know what to believe. He's listed as questionable for game three, and it's like, I think Max cursed us.

Wait, so what? Read that. Read the injury report.

Hank, this is trying to make me sound dumb.

No, I just want you to read the injury report, and I want Max to apologize to you.

Max, are you getting shams, too? So, who knows? Celtics Christophs Porzingis suffered a torn medial retinaculum, allowing dislocation of the post terrier to biolus tendon.

Mm hmm.

That's pretty good.

Yeah, I I read this. I don't know if he has a sprained ankle or he's never gonna walk again.

All right, so I got a report.

Like, people in the last 150 years to get this injury.

Yeah, it's not good. It's not good when the Twitter doctors are putting, like, parentheses, very rare, on the injury report, and when there's body that you didn't even know existed. Not usually good.

Our friend Sam Decker said, I didn't even know you could tear the. Whatever. Hey, say it again, Hank.

Torn medial retinaculum.

Yeah. He said, I didn't even know you.

Could tear that retinaculum.

So I reached out directly to pro football doc, because I wanted to get the report to pass the news along to Max, because Max really wanted an update on this. He said, porzingis. No bueno. You can quote me on this, is what he said. No bueno. Out for finals? Not exactly, but the comparison is Kurt Schilling.

That's a good. That's good.

Kurt Schilling won a World Series that year.

Yeah. And he won the game.

I have a doctor shout out. Doctor Dan who told me that the closest thing that he could find that is a little more common was when von Miller dislocated his peroneal tendons on the other side of your ankle in training camp in 2020. He missed the entire season. But that's how rare it is the rest of the game. That's how rare it is that he was, like, the closest thing you could comp is someone in football tearing the other side of their ankle, which is kind of similar, but not really similar, because no one ever has done this. So what do you think, Hank?

I literally don't know what to think. They already did the injury report for tomorrow. He lists as questionable. My gut tells me he's not going to play tomorrow. And then maybe, depending what happens tomorrow, like, I don't know. It seems he said after game two that he would die on the floor. And the only. Basically the only way he's not going to play is if the Celtics medical staff literally refused to allow it. I tried to get some intel on, like, if our medical staff are dogs or not. Uh.

And how seriously do you take that hippocratic oath?

Well, yeah, like, our. Like, are.

Yeah.

Like, are they dogs? Are they just gonna be like, let's fucking go in a championship, or are they gonna just like. You know, the book says sit, but he.

He looked like he couldn't move after he heard it.

I know.

Like, we watched it, and we're like, this looks weird.

He's not moving well, and it's such a rare injury. I don't know if there's a book on this injury. That's what I'm saying. Like, it's. It would be such a rare blackjack and that there's no book on it.

But he's walking around fine. He's moody, doesn't have a brace on. Like, tape exists. They got shit for that. Like, I. That, you know, it's scary. I don't want to say that. I want him to risk never being able to play again.

It's good thing you didn't say that.

But he said he would die on the floor, and if he wants to play, he should be allowed to make that decision as an adult.

I think you guys can win this series without him.

I do, too, but, like, I don't like. Even. I just don't. I don't like it.

Poor Zingas, you guys have won 76% of your games. Without poor zingas, you've won 86%.

No other way around. You think? Right?

Yeah. No.

With Pershingus 76, they've won 76% of.

Their games with Christophs Porzingis. They've won 86% of their games without.

Is that true?

Yeah.

You're looking at the stat.

I'm looking at the set. That's. That's the regular season and the playoffs this year.

So there you go. You're fine.

And Kurt Schilling, anchor chilling, I think.

You'Re fine, Max, you, how's it going online for you? Because you wish this into existence.

I did not wish this into existence.

You celebrated it.

I did not sell. I did not celebrate the injury. I celebrated the circumstance of the situation.

Why'd you go run up a fucking tree like a cat?

I was scared and I was hiding because I didn't want to speak with you, Henry.

That's why I tried to climb up on the roof, is because I was afraid, okay?

I climbed a ladder, and then I.

Realized crying, it was too high.

I was. I'm scared of ladders. Okay?

That's where you went. We. What? What did you say? You're. You're the. You celebrated this. What was that circumstance?

Not the injury.

The circumstance of this situation.

The circumstance of me forgetting to update the herder injured board. And it became relevant again when it was. When it would have been irrelevant.

Got it.

But I didn't actually want him to get hurt. I just, I was like, oh, that's a discussion. Because at the end of the game, you. No one really thought he was that hurt. Fact or fiction?

I thought Henry.

Henry. Fact or fiction?

Fiction.

If he, like, went down and, like, tore his foot in, into two, I wouldn't have said that. But it was like, oh, yeah, he got a little dinged up. That's.

Or he was injured, quite literally. That's what you thought?

Yeah.

Which he celebrated the circumstance of the situation. You want to put him in jail for that? Yeah, put him in jail for that.

I think Max kind of, I kind.

Of agree with him.

I don't think that he celebrated the injury. I think he celebrated the hurt.

But the question is, deep down, he celebrated the injury.

No, Matt, Max just shook his head. Max agreed. He said, yeah, he celebrated the hurt, and it turned. It turned into an injury. And then that. That explains. Max is running away in shame. Trying to climb up a tree to get away from Hank is because he knew deep down that he might have had something to do with it.

The optics are bad. The optics are bad. I'm willing to agree to that.

The optics, were you stuck in the tunnel on a ladder being like, help?

Well, I knew. I knew that. It was going to look. Look that way, but deep down, that I know in my. In my head that I was not truly celebrating his injury. I was celebrating the circumstance that you're.

Talking about Sunday night. But now you also know deep down in your head that you're happy that he's injured. That's where, like. Like, you and Roan piss me off, because you're both scumbags, and you know your scumbags, and we know your scumbags, but when push comes to shove, you're like, no, no, no. It's great.

Well, let's see what. I mean. Let's see what happens in game three.

Okay? How's it. How's it online for you right now, Max?

I don't give a shit. I mean, Celtics fans are always going to be up my ass. I mean, it's Boston. Boston's a fucking trash ass town. Trash ass people and can't fucking make flights and get shitty haircuts.

Not the haircut.

I take the haircut back. It actually.

Well, you know, Hank is thinking about it because he keeps looking and doing the move where he's just like you. You can tell if you're watching this right now. Hank has checked himself out about 17 times.

I mean, it's a big day tomorrow, and I had to go to a fucking 50 year old woman giving me a fade, and I did it.

Did you get. Did you get your haircut to impress Tom?

Duh, duh, duh.

So talk to me about your decision making, about where you got your hair cut. You just picked a random stop and got off and then looked for a woman to cut your hair?

Well, also, my phone was dying. You had, like, you're 30.

You're about to be 31.

I wasn't trying to compound a mistake with another mistake.

You're gonna be 31 and two tomorrow. Tomorrow and tomorrow. Tomorrow.

Yeah.

Tomorrow Eve.

Yeah.

No, it all worked out. It's all good. But, yeah, I just. I just googled haircuts nearby, and I went to one that was close, and it was. It was a 50 year old woman. She cut my hair in 20 minutes, so my phone charged, like, 5%. I think it's all right.

Yeah, it's fine. All right, last thing. So, wait, Hank, are you. You think Chris stops is not going to play tomorrow or today?

My gut says no.

Okay. And, Max, what. What kind of celebration do you have planned for when he doesn't play?

Zero. I want him to play. And karma also may have also already gotten me because I could have broken part of my hand and saw that.

Why would it be karma if you were just celebrating the circumstance of the situation?

Well, the optics. The optics of the karma.

Got it. Wait, but so wouldn't then. The optics. Wouldn't the karma retribution just be, like, a superficial injury, not an actual injury?

Well, it could be, like, it hurts right now, but it might not be a real injury.

Okay, so I think that if it's not a real injury.

Look, yeah.

Then you actually are innocent. But if it's a real injury, then you're guilty. That's.

I'm willing to accept that.

Okay. That, um, I had one last thing for us. Uh, I teased it to you guys on the text chain. Our guy, pug. Our guy, Pug.

Beast.

Um, is he, though?

I think so.

Beast. He might be a pussy. This is my text exchange with Pug earlier today. I was laughing so hard. Pug, text me. So for context, I have season tickets to the Cubs, who suck. Blew another game tonight. They're fucking trash right now. Pug texted me at 240 today. So, hey, do you know of anywhere employees can get discounts on Cubs tickets? Was trying to hit a game this weekend, and I replied to the text that he asked, and I said, I'm pretty sure I know game time has a code. We talk about the ad all the time. Game time has great last minute deals, zone deals, flash deals. Get them all. And I said, you could also ask memes or Hank, because game time, our wonderful sponsor, gives us allotted amount of tickets every month. I said, maybe I would get free tickets with game time. And he said, will do. Appreciate it. This is at 240. End of conversation, 511 pm. He texts me, my bad. I'm a giant pussy. Are your tickets available this weekend?

There's more to this story that you don't know about.

What? What?

Has been asking us about your tickets all week. And I have told him so many times, just ask. Just ask. He has told us that if he's not, he's going on vacation, he's not going to be here. All you have to do is ask him if the tickets are available. And he's like, yeah, but, like, I don't know. Like, I don't want to, like, make it look like I like that I.

Need that I needed tickets.

Like, that's a bad look. I'm like, dude, he literally tells us, ask if you want to go to the game. And he was like, well, I thought if I asked him this way, that maybe he would have just, like, on his own, just given me the tickets. So that's when he showed me what he sent to you and me looks at him and goes, type this word for word. Say, I'm a pussy.

Pussy.

Are your tickets available this weekend? Pug writes it out. He writes it out. He then gives me the phone and then goes, you have to click send. Also, not to mention, he has two friends coming this weekend, and you gave.

Him two tickets, and he's like, two tickets.

He's like, I don't really know what to do with the two tickets.

Wait, so now you can't, because I sent them to you, pug, did you get them? Yes, I sent you the Saturday tickets. So now what are you going to do? You have. I sent you. I have two tickets. I'll figure it out. I'll figure it out.

I I don't know. I was just trying to put feelers out.

You're just trying to collect as many tickets as you can get.

The initial text was like, I was just hoping deep down you would say, like, oh, I have tickets.

Yeah, I have three.

Here you go, pug. Net. And this is crazy, because, like, I'm happy to give you tickets. Like, Max says, I tell you guys all the time, like, it just asked. Like, there's days that I am using them, or the. Or my friend who I cone with is using them. But, pug, you now have two tickets that are, like, good tickets, and you have three people. What are you going to do? Are you going to sell my tickets and then.

No, no, no, I would never do.

That in that section and just try, because expensive, pug.

Yeah.

Or this is now a thing. We can probably do a game time.

Yeah, we could do a game. Pug, I'm gonna give you right now. I'm gonna tell you right now. You are. You are free and clear to sell my tickets. To buy three more tickets.

Now I feel bad again.

No, you don't feel. I'm telling you, you're free and clear to do it if you would like to do that. Or I'll just buy you three tickets.

Or just buy.

Sell. Yes.

All the three tickets.

What are you afraid of? Why were you scared?

I felt like it would be very.

Like, thought it'd be rude.

Just be like, hey, you got tickets.

Can I have them? Like, I just felt like that was.

I actually can understand that. I can understand that. It probably would have been better if you do. Yeah, if you just seen me. Yeah, if you'd see me this morning, you're just like, hey, I got some buddies in town. Because then that actually would have been an easier conversation. Like, I have buddies in town. I'd be like, how many? You'd be like to be like, well, I only have two tickets.

Yeah, I think that was the plan.

And I just.

The timeline never lined up. I probably could have done. It was all week. It was all week. He was terrified to have the conversation never lined up.

And I just.

It was a bad hug.

I offer the tickets all the time.

I know.

I don't know you. You over so much. You thought that it didn't.

He thought that that didn't apply to him. Was. He was like, do you think that applies to me, too? I'm like, yes. You literally work for, like, you work directly for him.

Like, you do.

I love you.

It's not like a random, like, intern going through the office being like, hey, big cat, can I have your cubs tickets? You see him, like, every single day, and you work directly for it.

We plug. We. I mean, we now have to figure out this ticket situation because you have two tickets and three people, and they're in a nice section. So it's like, you can't. I'll buy you another seat.

It's also cubs cardinals.

Like, I'm appreciative of a Saturday Cubs Cardinals game is a very expensive ticket.

I'm a pussy, pug.

I love you, Pug. You guys believe this?

No, I believe it, but I.

Everyone here has asked for tickets except Pug. Just been like, hey, can I use the tickets? Like, yeah, no problem.

Yeah, it's.

It's a learning lesson. Next time, I'm just going direct. Direct to you, and just next time.

I want you to come up to me and say, hey, fuck face, give me your tickets. I'll respect that.

Will do. Will do.

Also, this whole. This whole show, while you guys are doing the rest of the show and we were on mute, just look over me. He's like, this is gonna be bad, this.

No, it's not bad. It's just funny. Yeah. To get a text from him being like, hey, I'm a pussy. I actually was wondering if I could have your tickets.

Yeah, I overthought it.

Oh, Pug, I love you. All right, I'm gonna go on game time.

I need you to. I need you to just be brutally honest from now on, because I feel like you're holding back on us.

All right, that's fine.

What if I was holding back on us and he's just a fucking monster.

Yeah, he's just real asshole. This could be his. His joker vacation.

Yeah, he just starts shoving us around just being like, listen, assholes, I'm Pug. Get the fuck out of my way.

Fuck you guys, actually, Pug.

Yeah, there you go, Pug. All right, Pug. I'm gonna buy you another seat. Game time. Shout out. Game time. We're gonna buy you a seat, and we'll get. We'll get all three boys in there. You.

Sorry.

Okay, I think let's kick it to ourselves. We got Dan Hurley talk. We got Michael Collins, we got Kevin love. We got. Pardon your take. Contentious pardon, your take. So let's kick it back to ourselves in studio. Today is Wednesday, June 12, and Dan Hurley is staying in storrs, Connecticut.

All is right with the world. Great job by Dan Hurley. Getting paid so much money.

Yes.

They're upping his contract right now. Smart move on his part. Not signing a contract. Contract after Kentucky.

Yup.

Waiting. So they're retooling. He turned down the offer from. From Los Angeles. I don't know if he ever really wanted the job. I feel like he. He might have just played this perfectly, used the job to get more money, stay at home.

Dan Hurley might be so back to back national titles. Obviously the new face of college basketball coaching. And then to turn down Kentucky and the Lakers in the same three month span. That's on. That's a historic run.

It's great.

He's. That's a historic run to turn down those two entities in that amount of time for that much money. He's just flexing on everyone. And it might just simply be that his wife does not want to leave the northeast.

Yeah, she's. She's a ride or die. She's like Los Angeles, Dan. You know, you can't even get a good cup of piss out there. Yeah, you're not gonna be able to find your drinks. You're not gonna have fun. The weather's gonna be too nice. His vibe is just northeast. Bad weather. A little bit pissed off all the time. I would not like to see him in LA. I think he fits in Connecticut. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener. And now Lebron. Back to the drawing board. I was saying it's a bad look for podcasters getting turned down by Dan Hurley, your guy that you wanted.

LeBron does kind of get like, the Lakers get embarrassed here a little bit. This is Coach K. Did it 20 years ago. But you don't turn down the Lakers.

Are the Lakers in trouble?

The Lakers might be in trouble.

They're getting brawny.

I also always say it's actually the head.

Yeah, but Ronnie's not going to be able to be developed.

Yeah.

I think JJ Reddick's going to be able to develop Ronnie.

Someone needs to develop this boy. They need to get him. They need to get their hands on him and figure out how to develop him.

They need to hire a special coach just for Bronny, just for development. Tom Creen, coach K. Yeah.

Already in the building.

Tom Creen did a great job. Anthony Edwards.

Yeah, just get him.

Just have him hang out.

Yeah. It's. It's actually the headline right now on ESPN. It says Lakers are embarrassed now, but they can, they recover after Hurley's rejection and it just bears repeating. But Rob Polinka just is Rob Lowe. Every single time I see a picture. Yeah, look, Rob Lowe.

Just like him.

I don't understand. Those aren't the same guy.

They have the show about the Clippers. Like, they got to do it. They did the, you know, the Showtime Lakers. They have to be doing something with Rob Lowe as Polinka. That's.

What would they do?

Just punk.

Fab five. He was on the Fab five team, but he was.

Yeah, but it wasn't around for Kobe and Shaq.

Yeah.

Actually, the bubble, you know, it would.

It would. Roaring series ever.

Yeah, the bubble series. That'd be. That'd be trash. Even. Any movie that comes out that even mentions Covid, I'm like, no, don't want to see it. Don't want to relive that in my brain.

Yeah.

It'd be very funny if they did an episode of punk and it was Rob Lowe playing Rob Polenka, and he's interviewing JJ Reddick, being like, hey, you want the Lakers job? Then JJ's like, yes. And Rob Lowe's like, you've been punked.

I like that.

I'm not actually the guy.

Yeah, and we got you.

We got you.

But also, you're going to get hired because we don't have any other options.

Yeah, but still. Yeah, this was our idea for punk. But now it turns out that nobody else can coach this team. It's a big day for. They're supposed to be the Lakers guys, right? Supposed to be the Lakers, right. You're supposed to get any coach you want, any free agent you want.

Yes. Yeah. You should be able to just essentially. I mean, it's the Lakers and the Yankees.

Yeah.

Every. Every player coach, successful person is just a future Laker or Yankee. They don't know it yet. If they. If the Lakers or Yankees decide it, that, then it is done.

You will be mine one day.

Yeah. Right. Oh, yes. You don't have a say in. It's not non consensual. They just. And now Dan Hurley has bucked the trend and he's having. He's having a hell of a run. And did you see, also, he is getting free wings for life from J. Timothy's tavern somewhere in Connecticut. They offered free wings for life if he stays.

That's great. That's a great deal. That's. You don't even need to do the contract anymore.

It would be funny if he just stopped coaching and just got fat and just ate free wings every single day. This is.

That's my job.

Yeah.

If anybody offers me free wings for life, I might just quit, I might retire. You don't have to worry about buying food anymore.

Yeah.

Major expense free wings for life. Yeah. That's the best retirement plan.

So I'm happy for college basketball, though. This is good for college basketball. This is good for having, like, this. The hard nosed, old school throwback coach. One person in this room, though, it really sucks for. And that would be our guy, Maxwell.

Well, he's not in this room.

Yeah, I guess he's not in this room.

I knew he wasn't leaving.

You knew it.

I never. I never got my hopes up for him to leave once.

Yeah.

It even when he. Even. I was on the golf course yesterday and I was told that, and I was like, yep, that's fine. I knew that was. I knew he was staying. There's no chance that he was golfing yesterday.

Yep.

On a work day.

Yep.

Billy kill. Still work. Believe it.

By the way, for work, you either die a max or you live long enough to become a hank.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, you've now become a Hank.

I'm Hank.

Did you have a good day?

Great day.

Great.

Monday.

I had a question, too. So you. I agree with you that you never fully believed it. You were kind of consistent with that. You're like, he's going to stay. This is. I don't want to get my hopes up. I did see, though, when it all went down yesterday, Alex Caravan, who's going to the NBA, tweeted about Dan Hurley coming back to UConn. What? Why would he care? He's. He's in the NBA, Max.

Well, yeah, he came back.

What?

No, you told me he was going to the NBA.

You. You know, you told us he came back. You. You actually sent us the. The tweet. That's saying he was testing the waters for the NBA. And you said Max was right. Looking for crashes.

Wrong. Here there you go.

Oh, wow. And I said, while maintaining his college eligibility, and you said, no, he's gone. You can't write a letter like he wrote and come back. But he's back.

Whatever.

So I guess congrats to Yukon on winning another championship. Probably waltzing through the big east.

It is. I mean, to go three in a row would be, hasn't been done since John wooden.

Yeah.

Never be done again.

It'd be incredible, especially in this era.

Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, you guys, that sucks for you, Max. Even though you never got your hopes up, it also sucks for Billy. We can't really trust him as a reporter anymore.

Well, I'm not, I'm not ready to write Billy's report off just yet.

Okay.

Because Billy told us that, well, he told the world that Dan Hurley was going to go to the Lakers. He confirmed that by getting shushed by Dan Hurley's son.

Yeah.

And then when the report came out that he was staying big at, you hit up Billy pretty much right away and just asked him, hey, what's going on with this report? Billy, we thought that we could trust you on this one. And Billy said, I need to talk to Andrew. I need to make sure that this is actually official. Official. It could still happen. So we don't know. We don't know if Dan Hurley staying at UConn, per Billy.

Billy has to talk to Andrew and see if he gets shushed again.

Yeah, yeah. So he said, he said, I don't believe it. The son was nodding his head while shushing.

They were having mimosas.

Yeah.

Said, if you drink a mimosa at 10:00 a.m. that's man who doesn't have a hard decision to make.

Billy also said, right, but wouldn't that be staying in Yukon was not also true?

Like, you know what?

It sounds like me.

Mimosas can be a, like a great time or like the worst time ever. You need a mimosa.

Yeah.

There's no true. Someone drinking mimosa could be in any state of mind.

I think it's pretty obvious what happened. Dan Hurley drinking a mimosa, probably the morning of his interview, he just got a great vacation with his family.

Yes.

Angeles. And he was like, oh, fuck it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna hit the bottomless mimosa bar before this interview with the Lakers. I don't give a shit if they offer me the job. Let's have a good time.

Yeah.

And paid more regardless.

Yeah.

So champagne and orange juice.

Champagne. Orange juice. Yeah.

Automobiles. A guy screwdriver. Screwdriver over all the Bloody Mary. Saw that shit.

Let me put you on some game, big cat.

Yeah.

Do a screwdriver with some champagne in it.

No, I don't like champagne. That's the whole reason I don't like mimosa carbonation.

Yeah, the bubbles are.

I don't like champagne.

But a little taste, you know, it's.

No, I'm telling you, I do not like champagne.

Not a little taste.

Okay.

Watermelon mimosa. Pretty good too.

Oh, that sounds good.

Yeah.

So yellow watermelon.

What about a watermelon screwdriver?

Yeah, you can do that.

Okay.

And then add some champagne too.

No, I don't like the champagne.

You know, there's yellow watermelons.

Pft.

Yes, yellow watermelons. Not for me.

We had that on the golf course yesterday.

Not for me.

It was a little weird. Hank also, when we got there, because we were doing for pause Chicago, we were doing their golf outing. I wasn't golfing because I had to work. But I went for the first hour.

Or so, and we represented in your.

Hank showed up an hour late and then was like, where the hell's the food? And it looked like he was the pied piper. There was about ten of us following him around the entire private club while he was looking for the food. He's like, where the food? You got burgers, you got hot. Is yelling at random people. And then he found it.

Tea time was at 1130. Big Cat told everyone to get.

No, whoa, whoa.

I did not. I did. I did not say I followed directions. Sort of.

At 930, we had two and a half hours.

I followed directions. Did you get food directions?

Yeah, we had lunch. We played. We hit the range for an hour. Like we had all the time in the world.

Great spread.

But you got food.

Got food.

Okay, that's.

We were the first ones to eat.

And the first on the range.

We should tell people just in case there. There might be some people listening, like, hey, maybe this show is a little bit different right now. You might notice a change in our voice or takes. It is 941.

Yeah.

On Tuesday morning, which is early. Hank, does your brain work this early? Are you fully awake yet?

No, I already worked out this morning.

Oh, shit.

Did you eat?

I haven't ate.

Oh, God.

You gotta eat.

I know. It's taco Tuesday down the street.

Damn. Yeah, I'm going on. I'm going on a mini three day vacation. So we'll zoom zoom show on Thursday. Although we've already done the interview. Appreciate the boys letting me do a Zoom show. It's. You know what it was. I was trying to remember why I'm going away today. And then it dawned on me that it's because my kids are out of school, but their camp hasn't started yet. My wife was like, we're doing something. I'm not dealing with this while you go to work. I was like, that's fair.

Yeah.

Completely fair.

Yeah. You forget that kids get out of school, and then that's, like, the worst time for parents when you're a kid.

They just.

Summer vacation was the best.

It just flex. They're just like, I don't got school today.

What would happen if you just, like, let them stay at home? Like, okay, don't. Don't break anything by themselves. Yeah. Very big problem if you came home.

Yeah.

Like, 3 hours. Let them at home for 3 hours.

I mean, they probably would just be crying at the door, being like, we got scared. Where'd you go?

Yeah, I did. They got to learn something.

A five and a three year old. They play well together, but we, like, it's just pre fighting when they're playing well together. It's pre fight.

Yeah.

It's the pre fight dance. It always leads to a fight.

Yeah.

So. But wait, what were you talking about with the. Billy.

Oh, Billy.

Yeah.

So Billy's report. So I'm drinking mimosas. To me, that's. That screams guy that's on free vacation. Yep. Doesn't care about interview.

Yeah. He basically, I'm gonna take the. I'm gonna take the visit so I can get the steak.

Yeah.

And. And get to see the facilities.

We all like. We like being mimosa and dined.

Correct.

Everybody likes that. Billy said to big cat's question, so we think maybe still lakers. Billy said, yeah, to be honest, I know what I saw. I think him staying is B's, or they were straight up clowning me.

So Billy's essentially saying, I don't. I hear that you're staying at UConn. I don't agree with you.

Yes. I don't agree that. That Dan Hurley is staying at UConn, even though the reports out there, it could happen. I'm just saying it hasn't been confirmed yet by Billy.

I don't agree with your decision.

Yeah, my interpretation is correct.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Billy got. Turns out.

You must be going.

Turns out getting shushed. Shushed is not confirmation of your report.

Also. God.

We didn't report it because he told us not to.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Turns out a Saturday morning with your family in Venice beach, you're probably gonna be drinking or Santa Monica, you're probably gonna be having a most, that's, like, one of the top mimosa spots in the world.

It's wonderful for mimosas. And we don't know. Billy might have been having mimosas, too.

He probably might have a lot of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was, that was a big news story then. We obviously had the Panthers up to nothing on the Oilers. We have, the Panthers are just a hockey machine. Their defense is so good. Just strangles the Oilers to death. They played, like, great, great team defense, and now the Oilers are in a must. I think they're a must win game three, can't lose game four.

I think. I think they're all must wins.

Okay.

I think that the Panthers, they have so many ways to beat you. It got a little chippy, which I think could be good for the, for the Oilers.

Oh, I think it was desperate, by the way. Like, we're going to play your level, your your style, and the Panthers like, okay, fine, go ahead, play our style. We'll still beat you.

The nut shot at the end was. Yeah, that that was desperation right there. That was frustration. But it got a little chippy. There were some elbows to jaws, the leg hit on loose arena.

Yeah. And that was, that was bad.

That was pretty dirty.

Dirty.

Probably deserving. So I saw some people saying, like, the league's getting soft for giving gay misconduct for that. To me, even as a casual, I was like, yeah, you can't do that in a hockey game.

Yeah.

Try to take his knee out. The Panthers, they, they are a wagon. I feel like they are. The Oilers are going to win game three at home, though.

They need the tits.

They need the tits.

They need the tits, cuz. Cuz the Panthers have the little kid.

Mm hmm.

The little kid behind the glass flexing. Baby Gronk's cousin.

Is that really baby Gronk's cousin? Sure feels like it.

They, at some point, we're all related.

Yeah, it's true. Going way Pangea I the Panthers do look like a machine.

They're a machine.

They have an answer for everybody except for McDavid, who sometimes looks like he has to do it all himself when he's doing his little, like, back and forth spins, getting the entire defense to chase him and then finding a guy in front of the net who misses a shot. I was thinking about this last night. If you're McDavid and you're so good at hockey, do you get frustrated with your teammates for not being as good as you?

Definitely.

I think you would, right?

Definitely.

I played with a couple guys like that back in the day that just. They were so mad at the rest of their team. Like, why can't you just do the things that I do?

Right. And you're just everyone's. When he's moving, the way he moves, and you make a perfect pass and, you know, someone's not able to bury it, that would be frustrating.

It would be like, just be me.

Just be as good as me.

Why can't. Why can't you be like me? It's not that hard to do. I do it every day, bro.

Yeah. Be brilliant with this.

They did get a goal on Bob, though.

They got one goal.

They kind of shot it through him.

Yeah.

Bob saved it, and then the puck just kind of made its way through his body somehow.

Bob's really good, too, at always getting his, like, his mask off or the goal comes. Comes off, and they have to stop the play. Yeah. Anytime it feels like the Oilers have a little bit of momentum.

Yeah.

Which is a savvy move by Bob.

It definitely is.

Yeah.

He tells his defense, like, just run into the goal, please.

Yeah. Whitney and the spitting chicklets. Boys will be there on. Was it Thursday night?

Yeah, Thursday night. Thursday night for the long travel.

Yeah.

The pod is in the building.

Pot is in the building. Longest travel in the history of the Stanley Cup.

I saw that.

Very cool.

The poor, poor journalists.

Oh, my God.

Think about the.

Imagine being a journal.

Yeah.

They get the extra day off, though, so.

Yeah. But you. The flight is just insane. You got to go through custom, and.

They got to go back.

You got to come back. Maybe come back again.

Might not have to. The Panthers playing the way they are.

You get the mileage, though.

Yeah.

The frequent flyers.

Yeah, that's true. But do you get to keep those?

I think so.

I don't know. Sometimes companies don't do that.

They just bow guard them for you.

They'll put. They'll book the flight themselves.

Yeah.

It is tough. It is tough having to make all that travel meals and various hotels that you might not be familiar with. Maybe you get locked out of your hotel room twice.

Yeah.

It's tough living on the road. Hard, hard work.

Hard work. That's why they. And then they have to turn around and do. The draft is coming up, like, right away after.

That's brutal.

It's. I really feel bad for hockey journalists, especially Charles Barkley. Yes.

Hockey journalist Charles Barkley. You could put him on any show. I, when they brought him out after the first period, I was just like, I hope that Charles Barkley does every hockey game.

How many?

Like, he's gonna come on this show next year cuz he's gonna be so bored and like want something to do.

But how? Okay, so good point, Hank, cuz I. Or good comment that I wanted to just throw out there. How many people do you think think that inside the NBA is done forever right now?

A lot.

Way too many.

A lot.

Yeah. The way they tank. Were you one of them?

No.

Oh, okay.

I was here. Yeah, I was a couple months ago.

The way they made this seem, it. I think there's going to be a lot of people like what? There's. They're back on tv.

Yeah.

In the fall.

Yeah.

They still have a whole other year.

Magic Johnson thought it was over.

Yeah.

He tweeted out about. And then he had to delete the tweet once. People were like, hey, it's actually not over this season. Yeah, next year. But you're going to see Charles Barkley in Shaq at a level of not giving a fuck that we didn't think was possible.

Did you guys see the fan yelling at Charles Barkley? I really wish Charles Barkley had punched that.

You should have punched him.

Yeah. Yeah.

Because that dropped an f bomb on the canadian broadcast.

Charles Barkley did.

Yeah.

Oh, wow. Should you be in print jail?

No.

Okay.

Just saying.

How was FCC apply to different countries?

I don't know.

Yeah. I don't. I think the FCC is an American.

Yeah. So it's good. You can say whatever you want on the air in Canada.

Yeah.

Literally any Don Cherry was on it for like 25 years.

Yeah, the, there. Yeah, there was a kid is probably like 19 years old going up to Charles Barkley. Like, you have no rings. You're a bum. And I got, I got mad for Charles Barkley.

Charles Barkley shouldn't have to deal with that.

No. There's also an age if like a guy, a person that clearly watched it went up and kind of was ribbing him, but a kid who's like 18 years old, who just doesn't. You didn't even. You weren't even alive when Charles Barco was playing. That would piss me off.

It was funny when the kid went to the security guard afterwards and was like, that man doesn't have any rings. Yeah, you don't understand. He doesn't have a ring.

Yeah. Charles said, he's like, what if I just punched him? I wish he had.

So Charles, the kid doesn't know that Charles Barkley, back in the day, he would throw guys like that through a window. Yeah, he actually did do that one.

Yeah, he. Absolutely.

He should be allowed to do it again.

Yeah. Okay, what else? Any. Anything else before we do hot seat, cool throne, and then we get some interviews. Did you see. I saw that there. I think someone in the house. What is it? Congress. We're petitioning to have Caitlin Clark on the US Olympic team. That's.

Yeah. Good use of time.

Okay.

I think it was a representative from.

Indiana when I saw. And just like, fuck this. Speaker zero.

Oh, no. The guy from Indiana, he. He issued some sort of statement. He wrote a letter, I think, to the WNBA, asking to protect Caitlin Clark more.

It's crazy. Crazy. And I'm trying to think, is there anything else that we got to talk about before hot seat? Cool. Toronto. Speaker two.

I just want to say that the United States men's national team should fire Greg Berthold on the record.

Speaker one. Why. Why isn't this guy fired? We was. Every other day. It's Berhalter out. Just fucking make up your mind, people.

He was fired in 2022, and then they brought him back.

Actually fired.

Well, not renewed. They did a coaching search, and they're like, we're going to get back to Greg with six g's.

Got it.

We lost five one to Columbia.

Right.

And this is. I've told you guys this because you guys get frustrated with us soccer being back. Is the US soccer team good? They are a good team. They've got very good players. And in the next World cup, they should be competing to reach, like, the quarterfinals. Semifinals.

Right.

They should be one of the best teams in the world. But with Greg, it's not going to happen. It's not. And we know it's not going to happen, but we're still keeping them around. And it's very frustrating. Very frustrating for soccer.

Get him out.

Get Burhalter out. Fire him. I might boycott the us men's national team. Yeah, I'm boycotting Greg. Fuck Greg.

So you're not going to watch?

No, I'm boycotting him. Like, I might not watch Copa America because of Greg. I can't boycott the World cup.

Okay. No. No boycotting in the World cup.

I'll boycott some of the games.

The euros are coming up that we're not playing. Where are we? What are we playing right now? Copa. Copa America? Yeah.

That's the United States version of the euros.

Got it. And we're gonna. We have to win this or perhalters out.

Yeah, I'm saying he must. We have to make it to the finals or else.

I. But we're not gonna watch it.

I'm not gonna watch some of the opening round games, okay?

I just. Every time I fucking see Burr halter, I'm like, what the fuck? This guy's still around. Yeah, he crazy.

All he always done is get into a pissing match where their star players.

Dad, it's crazy.

And then he won't let the star player play because of that.

Get this guy out of.

He stinks.

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My hot seat is the field.

Oh.

At the US Open.

Okay.

The greens. Windham Clark came out yesterday, said their borderline.

What does that mean?

Really, really fast.

Okay.

No rain forecasted. It's going to be like 90 degrees. So they're just going to. They're already super fast. Kind of get faster.

I love it.

And yeah, you're getting the videos of people, you know, throwing the ball in the green and it just rolls.

I love it.

Yeah, I love dropping balls in the rough.

I saw that one. A guy, like, he was standing next to a giant bush and he's like, watch this. This is how tough this course is. They just threw the golf ball into the bush and disappeared. He's like, look at that. It's like, yeah, dude, you just threw a fucking golf ball.

Love it. Yeah, yeah.

He's like, the course has its teeth out this week.

You'll never be able to survive this. Just throwing a ball into the woods.

Yeah.

He's like, don't hit it there.

He's in next to a lake, and he throws in. Look at that. The ball just disappeared. This course isn't playing around.

I'm excited, Hank. You, like. You. You actually rooting for the course. I feel like you're not. You're a fake course guy. You. You want to see the guys go low. Guys like us, we want to super low. We want to see them struggle.

Yeah. I want. I want pain. Not just plus territory. I want the winner to shoot a plus ten.

No, I would like minus five to minus one.

Minus five to minus one. Okay. I. I think will easy might be. That's my pick. See?

Live.

Yeah, I think he's live.

So, Hank, when you said borderline, that sounded like a golf term to me.

No, Windham Clark said borderline. I don't know what that means.

Borderline. What?

I don't.

Borderline between. What's one of the borders like?

Borderline. Even playable.

Oh, okay.

They're already borderline.

Oh. It hasn't baked out yet. Baked out.

And it's 879-09-3929 sheesh.

Gonna love it. And we played there.

We were there last summer around this time, so it's, like, right there. Being able to kind of experience the same conditions, like, same exact hole. It makes it really cool.

Pinehurst number two.

We put.

We ate pizza on the third fairway.

Of Pinehurst number two. Yeah. Holy shit.

Yeah, I did chip onto Riggs's practice green. That was pretty much on Pinehurst number two.

Wow.

Walked on the fairway.

What?

You trespassed.

Did you hit a shot?

I didn't.

Oh, damn.

But, like, if I did, where it would have.

It would have been borderline. It would have been borderline. Yeah. Okay.

My cool throne. I deleted my note. I can't find it. So it's Max.

You never had one.

I did know. I did. I did.

No chance.

I did. I did.

I did.

I'll remember it later.

Your spider ate your note, Max looks.

Like the guy from county crows who apparently dated Jennifer Aniston.

Oh, Adam Dirt.

Did you guys see this picture?

No, I. But I know what he looks like. That dude has dated so many people.

Yeah.

So cool. Thrown. Max.

That dude is an all time boyfriend.

I mean, look. Look at him. Oh, I just sent the picture.

Okay.

This is a podcast.

This is a podcast.

We can put it on to the YouTube show. We can put it on the YouTube.

Okay.

And rumble.

Yeah, and rumble.

Jake's.

Yeah, well, I know what Adam dirt looks like. You think he looks like Max.

That picture you don't think looks like Max?

Not at all. Not even close.

It's just the beard.

Not even close.

You know, if you go through.

I'm sorry, but if Yasin.

If you go through his list of former girlfriends, it's incredible.

Yeah, if you.

He dated Jennifer Aniston. I think he dated Courtney Cox. I mean, dude, friends. He dated Christina Applegate.

Long December. You put that on chicken. I want to hang out. What?

It was.

Oh, you have the real one? So we don't do the one that doesn't look like Max. You're trying to.

He doesn't like Max.

Lighting as Max. That does not look like you.

I like to sing counting crow songs.

Okay, fine. Then it looks like you. Okay.

Counting cronuts. Some people are saying, yeah, the roaring kitty stuff.

Yeah, explain it, Tank.

All right, so roaring kitty. He's a guy from the Internet.

I know that part.

Okay, well, that's all I got.

He's a guy from the Internet who the meme stocks. The game stops. He basically. So he manipulated the stock market, which is a joke because that's what everyone does. So essentially, the big corporate stock market guys who've been making money all these years were like, this is illegal what he's doing. He's artificially pumping up GameStop. He shouldn't be allowed to do this. Everyone was basically like, you're telling on yourself. Because that is. That is what you guys do constantly. And you make money hand over fist for this. And then he came back. So he was gone for what, three or four years? And then he came back, and all he did was tweet one picture, and GameStop went skyrocketed again. I think he's made. If he sold any of his positions, he would have made, like, $700 million.

Apparently, what happened was recently just off, like nothing. He recently just put, like, hundreds of millions of dollars into GameStop.

Yeah.

Himself. So he is, like, a big, big investor in GameStop at the moment. And then he did a live stream last week, and the stock popped at first, and then it went back down. So he. He might have briefly become a billionaire, and then I think he lost a lot of that money.

Yeah, but the normies of the world are saying that it's illegal what he's doing and unfair what he's doing, but he's doing nothing different than what everyone does, including our politicians and anyone who, who's essentially has insider information rigs the stock market.

Yeah, he didn't have insider information. He had, I guess the insider information that he had was understanding the Internet.

Yeah.

And understanding that if he put his case out there repeatedly, people would sympathize with GameStop.

Right.

Go against the people that were shorting the stock.

Right.

And then everybody could make money until it reached an unsustainable peak. And then it takes a nosedive. And then if you don't get out, then you lose your money. So it is risky what people are doing. But, yeah, no, I made a lot.

Of money all the way back down.

And Hank, when they do the other part, that was bullshit. Whenever he would do the picture or it would start popping, they would pause trading and essentially say, it's irregularities. Like we can pause trading. So it's all rigged. This was, remember, this was. What was the, what was the app that people were using to trade on Robin Hood. Robin Hood. This is the Robin Hood controversy because Robin Hood let. Stopped people from being able to trade GameStop. So Robin Hood was part of the institutions essentially saying, you can't rig it like they're rigging it, even though it's always been rigged.

I just had a really dumb thought. I almost said a second ago, you know, would rock if they made a stock market, but for sports teams and, like, whether or not you thought a sports team would win a game or win a championship, that would be cool.

It would be cool.

It would be very cool. Think about it. Think about it. Yeah. What's the future? You mean like a long option?

Yeah, long option.

Yeah.

You put a long option on it.

Yeah, I think we did a, I'm going to say 6.2 out of ten explanation of roaring kitty.

Yeah, pretty much hit it.

I think there's a lot of people who say, you missed this or you're wrong about this, but I think we did a pretty good job of surface level. We kind of nailed it.

He also likes beer. He likes drinking beers.

He kind of looks like PFT, too.

Yeah, I got tagged. I got tagged a lot in that. I was thinking about maybe getting into some stock market shit. Some stocks getting heavy into doing some.

Let's get back in.

A top shot.

No.

Are those horses?

NBA top shot?

No, I'm still in. Still highly leveraged.

I have a NFT.

I think I bought a Marcus smart top shot that's probably worth $2 and I think 200 for.

I was. I was given a. Yeah, I was given. I was given a NFT. That I don't even know how to get.

Yeah, we thought about getting into race horses. The NFT race horses make nfts for us.

Oh, yeah.

He made some money.

Not for us.

Yeah, he made some money.

He just, like, drew elephants and said, this is an NFC.

It was. It was a mammoth, but yeah.

Yeah.

I'm also looking at more of Adam Dirt's. His greatest hits here. Dated Lara Flynn Boyle as well. Wynona Ryder. This dude. This dude's awesome.

How did you say that?

Winona?

Yeah, it's Wynonna.

No, it's not.

It's. It's Winona Ryder.

I've heard that.

I've never heard that.

It's definitely Winona, right?

It's Winona.

Winona Ryder. Yeah.

No, it's Winona Ryder.

No, it's Winona Ryder.

She's the mom and stranger thing.

I know. No rider. What?

You've never heard somebody say Wynonna Ryder?

I don't think so. That's the first time for me.

I, Winona Ryder, I shall always be wine on a be.

Who told you why? No, no rider.

I've just. I've always called her Wynonna.

That's crazy. Yeah, that stopped hanking his tracks.

Anyways, Adam dirt, great work.

Yeah, we have it. I'm sending it to Max.

What? What we.

Official pronunciation from herself.

It's Winona Ryder. From herself.

Yeah, there's a video of her.

Okay, let's hear.

Oh, we're breaking.

McCaffrey is the Madden cover athlete.

Oh, nice.

Yeah, sure.

That makes sense. Max, you want me to clean the deli slicer? Look at Jacob. Always on top of it.

All right, moment of truth.

This is taking forever known a rider how to pronounce Winona Ryder. I mean, Winona. Right. Wait, so that didn't.

Yeah, that was it.

That was her.

She wasn't her. She was laughing at how he pronounced her name. She'd probably thought that was no different.

Than what we've been saying.

Yeah, yeah, but he was. She was, like, laughing at him. Like, that's not it at all.

No, that's. It's Winona.

You guys are kind of simps for by her preferred, probably.

She said, why didn't you watch the.

Video yet she was standing there.

A real man pronounces a woman's name however he sees fit.

Winona. Yeah. I've never heard that. All right, what was your cool throne? Or was that your cool throne? But I know. Wait, who's cool?

That was Hank.

Hank. All right, good job, Hank.

Good job, Hank. My hot seat is Buster only.

Yes. Mine too.

He got his account hacked yesterday. Well, we don't know if it was hacked. Some people are saying it was hacked. I choose to believe that these were all actually buster only tweets. He tweeted, the season is canceled due to Covid. He tweeted out, shohei Ohtani has been banned for life from the MLB in connection to charges with gambling. His trial is on August 28. It is speculated he could get life in prison.

Yep.

He tweeted a couple fake trades. The New York Mets are finalizing a deal that will send Francisco Lindor to the Oakland Athletic, sources tell ESPN.

Speaker one. That one was funny because I was at my son's t ball, and the dad sitting next to me literally said, lindor to the a is crazy.

It would be wild.

It would. I was like, really? And then I looked and saw that it was Buster only just tweeting all over the place.

He also said, I hate mets. Yeah, this is. This is a good use of a hackers time. If you're gonna hack a prominent account like that, at least fuck with people.

Yeah.

Don't just do out like the PlayStation five tweet or any. Any obvious scam.

Yeah.

Like giving away autographed iPads.

Yeah, I wish that. I wish the hacker hadn't done any of the hack tweets first. Just started going, ripping, ripping off news. Yeah, fake news.

Yeah, but this is good. I like this hacker. I don't know who he is or she. Definitely he.

Yeah.

But good job for this guy.

Yeah, definitely he. Because he said, okay, if I get an unlimited prison sentence, who will come and bring panties?

Yeah, well, could be she, could be she.

Yeah, this was. I swear to you, I don't even know who I hacked. Who is this Buster?

Yeah, it's good stuff. I thought for a second when he started doing the fake trades, I thought he might be specifically fucking with his own fantasy league.

Yeah.

Like knowing that some of the guys on his team might trade him Francisco Lindor.

Yeah. How mad do you think. I mean, just imagining Buster only sitting in his house having this happen and just feeling as helpless as possible.

Yeah.

Is a very funny visual.

It's very funny. And I know he doesn't have his account back yet, but he has been able to delete some of the tweets or they've been deleted by somebody.

Okay.

But I hope. I hope this keeps happening to reporters. Oh, Peter King got hacked last.

Yeah, he did.

Peter King got hacked big time.

They put out a crypto king.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was. Everyone's getting hacked.

Dollar sign king.

Yeah. Okay.

Your cool throne then. My cool throne. I've got two. One is Zach Wilson.

Yeah.

Zach Wilson is currently in the mix for the starting job.

What?

In Denver. Which is crazy, because Sean Payton, he compared Bo Nicks to Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. So imagine how good Zach Wilson has to be to be competing to start over a combination of Peyton Manning and Drew Brees.

Yeah.

So think about it. Yeah, I don't. I don't know how much we can trust reports coming out right now, but I guess it's an open. The saddest open competition of all time.

Speaker zero.

I feel like Zach Wilson when he got trade, basically every year, every coach says, hey, you know what I'm going to do for you? I'm going to put out that there's an open cup competition.

Mm hmm.

That's. That's. That's the nicest thing I could do for you. And then you won't get it. But there was a competition there.

There has been competing going on.

Yeah.

What if set? Would it be funny? I think it'd be very funny if Zach Wilson was very good for the broncos. Like, what if he just went out there and lit shit up?

What if he was better than Patrick Mahomes in Patrick Holmes own division? Yeah, that would be very fun.

Be very funny.

I'll be a very funny wrinkle memes.

Don't say anything at all if you think that. Also be funny. Okay. Firm for memes.

Perfect. Perfect.

My other cool throne is Big Dom.

Yes.

Big Dom got a promotion.

Yes.

His old title, senior advisor to the general manager, chief security officer. New title, senior advisor to the general manager slash chief security officer slash game day coaching operations. So I hope he got it. I hope he got a pay raise.

He's basically a coach now.

It sounds like he just does everything for the Eagles.

Yeah.

Build the entire team at a big Dom.

I think this was something so that he could be on the sidelines during games.

Oh, loophole.

Yes.

So he was not allowed to be there.

Yeah. And also, why not just make him a nose tackle?

True. I would love that.

Could have been on the sidelines a long time ago.

I also saw one tweet that said that, so I have no idea if that's actually true.

Okay. That. I know one tweet is enough sourcing. I'm gonna back you up. Absolutely. I'll read one tweet and be like, yep, that's the story. And I'm sticking to it.

Cause he's been on the sidelines for years, right?

Yeah.

Yeah. Correct. But I think that there may have been something about last year that he wasn't. I'm making this up. I'm making this up.

I don't.

I need to stop.

So, if you give him a. Like a. Somewhat of a coaching title, then he's allowed to shove opposing players, right?

No, he's just allowed to be on the sideline. Again, I have no idea what I'm talking about.

This is all off one tweet.

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, shout out, big Dom.

Yeah. Shout out, big Dom. Huge promotion. Okay. My hot seat was also buster, only I'll say hot seat. Wearing red to rodeos. I don't know if you guys saw the party bus. That bull rocks. Very funny. That he jumped over and found the one woman wearing red and then just rag dolled her. She's okay, though. She's alive. Yeah.

I think both the people that got sent to the hospital are okay.

Yeah. So we can laugh about it, but at.

You got to root for the bull.

Oh, always, right. Always.

You have to root for them.

I don't root for the bull as much in a rodeo because I don't think they actually. They don't hurt the bulls in a rodeo, whereas in the bull fighting, I'm rooting for the bull every time. Yeah. When that's a little different.

The matadors are trying to get. I think, in a rodeo, don't they, like, tie a string around the. The bull's nuts to piss it off.

Ah, maybe. Sure. They do tweet about it.

Yeah, I did.

Okay, then. Yeah.

They do something to piss the bull off before it goes out and starts bucking around.

Yeah.

And this bull was just. Everyone was, like, clapping for the bullets. It's running around the ring, like, oh, this is awesome. What a funny moment. Ha ha ha. And then the bull just goes. Full bull and just jumps right over that fence. Yeah. Party busses. He's a legend.

He.

He. When he gets back to his. His boys, he's like, you'll have. You'll never guess what I did.

Mm hmm.

I just fucked everyone up.

Is that running of the bulls? Is that still a thing?

Yeah.

Loner. Yeah.

Yeah. Roofers there, too.

People voluntarily run in the wild with them.

Yeah. Yeah.

The Ryan brothers did it one time.

Me?

Yeah. What? You want to do it?

Rush.

More punishment.

Oh. Grit week. Crit week. Pamplona.

Rushmore punishment. When is Pamplona?

It's mid July.

No, no, we can't do that. Damn it. I was gonna say yes, but timing doesn't work out. So right in the middle, our own.

We get our own bulls.

Just have Alex Caruso come in, chases.

Around the bulls, and then kill them afterwards.

Yeah.

What they do.

Yeah. What, Jake?

What so crazy are.

Yeah. Bull fights. I kill the bulls?

I don't know.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. They just had a little run election.

Over on, and then they lasso him and bring him.

No, I'm pretty sure those guys get killed.

They kill all the bulls in the running of the bulls. I know in bull fights, the goal is to kill the bull. Like, the matador steps to the side and starts stabbing it with shit, and then the bull dies. But I don't know what happens at that actual running. They might take those bulls and then send them to bullfights.

All right, what happens during the run of the bulls in Pamplona? This is from PETA, so I'm assuming it's not great. After provoking a few charges from the exhausted bull, he aims to kill him by stabbing him between the shoulder blades and through the heart with a sword. So I think they kill them. Yeah, I think they run him into the. I think they run him into the coliseum. Whatever. Then they kill him.

Mm hmm.

Yeah. That may aim of the matador is to always kill the bull, and his fight is only considered successful if it ends in the bull's death.

Learn something new every day.

Yeah. My cool throne is Kevin Durant. He's back on Twitter. I just got a chuckle out of this. Some guy said, actually, what we were talking about a couple weeks ago, the only way KD can redeem his legacy is if he returns to the thunder and wins them their first ever championship, LeBron style. Then all his sins will be forgiven. We good, Kevin Durant? And Kevin Durant replied, you ain't God. Go get ready for work.

It's good.

Go get ready for work is a sick burn. Yeah, because you know that guy is getting ready for work when he tweeted it.

Mm hmm.

And he's just like, yeah, go take a show.

If he doesn't have a job, he's even down worse.

Just a great, great burn. So Kevin rants back, and then the guy. Yeah. The guy replied, quiet is better than you. You know, you have him. That's just. That's a lame ass reply. So good job for Kevin Durant. He's back. Or he's cool.

Thrown Jake, my hot seats. The Olympics. Apparently, Paris is pulling the plug on air conditioning in the Olympic village for the athletes what? In an effort to go green. But now some countries are bringing their own portable ac units.

Yeah, you don't fuck with a man's air conditioning.

Apparently this is a thing like in Paris. They just don't rely on AC as much as us.

What if they reinstall the AC? If Caitlin Clark attends?

That could work.

And then every athlete has to talk about how grateful they are for Caitlin Clark attending.

Mm hmm.

That would be good.

Yeah.

Yeah. And my cool throne is Mercedes Lewis. This guy's still hanging around. He resigned with the Bears.

Yeah.

And the fact he's been in the league since I was in middle school.

Yeah.

That's insane.

He's still doing it as a tight.

End, like a physical position.

It is crazy that a guy like him because he. It feels like he has a 12th man on the bench in NBA career going right now where it's like, yeah, he's just going to keep showing up, but he loves being around the boys. Yeah.

You bring him in, have a mentor, just hang out. Good locker room guy.

He needs four more games to play, the most as a titan in NFL history.

So that's probably why he's playing.

Retire after week four.

Yeah.

Mercedes Lewis played in college in for UCLA in 2005. Colorado was definitely not in the Pac twelve. Utah wasn't in the Pac twelve.

So when was his first year?

And now the Pac twelve is gone in the NFL.

Six, 2000. Holy shit.

And this is insane.

Yeah, it's insane. Congrats to him. Okay, let's get to our interviews. Okay. Before we get to Caddy and comedian Michael Collins, a quick word from our friends at Viator. Introducing Viator as a solution to ensure you plan the perfect trip and travel experience. Viator is a tool you can use to plan and book travel experiences around the world. The Viator app and website makes it easy to explore 300,000 plus travel experiences so you can discover what's out there. No matter where you're traveling or what you're interested in, Viator can help you plan better travel experiences. 300,000 plus travel experiences to choose from means you can plan something that everyone you're traveling with will enjoy. Enjoy real traveler reviews to get insider information from people who've already been on the experiences you're considering. Free cancelation helps you plan for the unexpected. Plus, vitor offers 24/7 customer service, so now you'll get support at any hour. If things aren't going as planned, download the viator app now. Use code viator ten for 10% off your first booking in the app. Find the perfect travel experience for you. Do more with Viator. That's Viator ten, the number ten for 10% off your first booking in the app.

Find the perfect travel experience for you. Do more with Viator. Okay, here he is, Caddy Michael Collins. Okay. We now welcome on a very special guest. You can find him on ESPN. He is America's Caddy. That is what he's. He's joined the zoom with it is Michael Collins, golf expert, America's caddy comedian. Michael, thank you for joining us. We appreciate it. We want to do a little us open talk with you, but before we do that, let's just. You just said you golf yesterday on a former US Open course. How. How did you golf and how is the game right now?

The game was fantastic. I played the BMW charity pro am for the corn ferry Tour last week and then went up and played in the Eagles for autism event. That was at Marion, and the game was great in, at the BMW, and the game was not quite as great at Marion because they could hold a US Open on that course this weekend as well. As good as that golf course condition wise, is in, those greens were running like a 13 to a 14 on the stint meter right now. So it's like, it was like, imagine trying to hit a putt in your bathtub and make it stop before it gets to the drain. That's how the greens were running.

Geez.

Wow.

Yeah. That sounds pretty intense. Are you still a caddy? Are you America's golfer now? Because it seems like you're playing a lot, but I don't see on many bags.

Yeah, it's kind of funny how that worked out. Like, I put the jumpsuit on and don't really get to carry bags as much as I. As I used to before, I'll do a fill in if need be. I don't know that I'll go back to Caddy and full time again on tour as I did for a long time. But I kind of. I kind of like the gigs that I got right now.

Yeah.

Which is good and fun. It's not quite as volatile as being a caddy. People thought like, oh, cool, man, you're a caddy. So you got guaranteed this and guarantee. Nah, man, it don't work like that. Like, I got fired on a Thursday after the first round. There's no contracts, there's no guarantees for caddies out there, and you got to pay all your own expenses, airfare, hotel, rental car, food, all of that stuff. So, you know, if you got a guy who's missing four or five cuts in a row, and you got a family at home and bills to pay. It can get a little scary.

Wait, why'd you get fired on a Thursday afternoon after. After a first round? What happened?

I was working for a dude. Me and him almost got in a fight on a golf course. I literally put the bag down and was like, you want to go? Well, I was caddy. So let's just say, you know, of all the people that are caddy for, we're friends now, and. But at the time, it. What seemed like a good connection ended horrifically. So I caddied for Daniel Chopra for, like, three months, maybe, and at one point, we were just not getting along so bad. I put the bag down in the middle of the tournament, was like, do you want to go right here in front of everybody? Like, I got embarrassed. You in front of all these people?

That's crazy. Yeah.

And so then when he. When it. When it got to its worst point ever, we were in Chicago, and he shot six over and then was in the locker room and sent his wife Samantha out because he didn't want to do it face to face. He was scared, and she was like, we're gonna make a change. And I was like, yeah, it's probably a good idea.

Yeah. Working out.

Yeah, you do it.

Good idea.

You've got a very interesting career path to. I was reading up about you and how you got into golf in the first place and how you kind of just networked your way and ended up finding a career in media that you didn't really plan out for at all. But one of the craziest parts that I read about was, when you started caddying, you didn't really know what you were doing. You were just kind of like, you were a good hang for people, right? Which I feel like that's not a bad place to be for a caddy. If you're looking to, like, switch up the vibes a little bit, get somebody who's funny that you like out there, that can bust your balls a little. But when you first stepped onto the golf course as a caddy, you did not know how to rake a bunker properly. And that made me realize, I I don't know how to rake a bunker properly.

No idea.

So you know how many people feel that way? It was Robert Gomez. I was still doing stand up comedy full time, and Robert Gomez called me up and was like, what are you doing next week? What are you talking about? He goes, man, I'm playing like shit. I'm not having fun on the golf course. I need you to come caddy for me just so I can remember to have fun again on the golf course. And I was like, all right, cool. And we get to play. It was in Louisiana on. It was like Nike tour back in the day. It's corn ferry tour now. But we get there, and, of course was underwater. No practice rounds, no pro am. They let us drive a cart around the course on Wednesday and said, you're not allowed to hit a shot. So I literally got the bib on Thursday, and it's for real. And he comes over and takes the head cover off the driver on this par five, and he goes. He looks at me, and I go, hey, don't hit it in the bunker because I don't know how to rake like these pros, okay?

And he gives me this weird look. I'm like, I don't make no sense, and hit you dead in the bunker. And I was like. He comes over and slams the club. And I just told you not to hit in there, dude. And he goes, you can't say that, man.

That's all.

I'm gonna focus now. You tell me what to say. And we start laughing. And when we get down there, I was like, what are you gonna do? And he goes, I'm gonna hit of three wood in the front greenside bunker because it's a par five. I'm gonna get up and down for par. And I was like, bitch, I just told you I can't rake. You're hitting it in two bunkers on the first hole. And I was like, if you hit it in that front bunker, I'm gonna call immigration and tell him, you're illegal.

I'm gonna get you kicked out.

And so he jumps down, and he's posing. Called his shot right in the front bunker. And he looks at me. I put the bet, yo, this dude's not even supposed to be in this country. And he starts laughing, like, get your ass down in that bunker and start raking, boy. And then the other. And we realized Yoda's two other dudes playing with us, and both them and their caddies are like, what the hell's going on? Yeah, it's the first hole. And we're laughing and stuff like that. And after that, other guys were like, hey, man, give me your phone number. When you got a week off from comedy, call me. But I have to admit, I've even when I started playing golf, I've always been good at reading greens. And I think that was. That was like, one of those secret things that also helped me stay being a caddy and employed for so long, because I, for some reason, have always been good at reading green.

So.

So, wait, how do you rake a bunker, though? Because. I don't know.

So, at a green side bunker, what you want to try to do is make the rake marks go towards where the green is, so you don't want to rake parallel to the green. So let's say the green is my head. You don't want the rake lines like this. You want them like this.

Okay.

And the reason why is when you do that, when you rake this way and the ball lands here, so now there isn't sand in between the ball and your club, so it gives it a cleaner lie.

But wait, that's just. You're just helping the people that play behind you.

Yes.

You're paying it forward. Well, what if there was just a real asshole caddy, mind?

Yeah. Well, then the PGA Tour finds out who it was, and that dude gets a pink slit with a little fine in his locker, because the players responsible for that.

Wow.

And we take pride as caddies, too. Like, there's nothing cooler if it's a big crowd and your boy hits it in a bunker and hits it out there to tap in for the par, and you break the hell out that bunker, then you're getting out the bunker. Somebody's always like, hey, man, will you vacuum my house and make the lives look, don't mow my grass. Yeah, okay.

Yeah. So. So what's the. You mentioned the greens or, you know, being able to read a putt. What? This. Us open. We've seen. We've seen what it looks like. It's the turtle shell. It looks like it's impossible. It's baked out. What are these guys going to have to deal with this week at Pinehurst?

So, two things. And I caddied this event before they made the changes, and then I covered the event when. If you remember, the last time we were here, they played both the men's and women's in back to back weeks. And I played Monday after Michelle, we won. So that was Martin Kheimer won the men's. Michelle, we won her only major then the next week. And so, two things they're really going to have to deal with here. One is off the tee. This is because they let it go back to all natural. It's not a lot of big rough off of the tee, but what it is is native areas. And what that means is, like, sometimes you got a perfect lie. Like, it rolls through all this crap and then just sits there and sits up. And other times, like, there's like this gorse grass stuff that it'll sit behind and you're screwed, absolutely screwed. And so that's going to be one of the things you got to deal with off the tee. If you're not in the fairway, then, as you said, those turtle shaped greens, almost every green has a little fall off.

So similar to an open championship, you kind of want to play to the front number, especially if the weather, like what they're looking at right now, perfect, perfect weather and a firm golf course. You can't fly the ball to the flag. You have to land it short and then let it hop up. And when the greens are real firm, like, what you don't see is one of the things we love is amateurs because we can't do it is when you see those dudes hit those wedges and nine irons and they hit and see spin back. Boy, I love seeing that. You're not going to be able to do that on these. Yeah, they're going to take two hops and just stop or even roll out just a little bit. They'll trickle forward like they do it a lot of the open championship.

Oh, wow.

So whose game does this favor in these conditions?

There's no course that doesn't favor Scottie Scheffler. I mean, you name the type of golf course as the ball striker that he is, he has the ability to just, he figures it out and then kind of bores the hell out of everyone to death. Right. So this is also a golf course that, you know, big hitters can do well here because the shorter the club that you have in your hand, especially if you're in the fairway, the more that you can control that spin and the better off that you're going to be able to attack. What the USDA is famous for is putting pole locations on these greens that dare you to hit at them.

Yeah.

The one thing about what the USGA and what the US Open is, sometimes a 15 footer is a great shot. But what the USGA gives you those pins where you're just like, I think I can get to this. This is where caddies earn their money.

Yeah.

When a guy like this fits my shop shape, you know, I'll be able to work this right to that hole. And the caddy got to be like, man, let's, let's work it kind of to the middle of this green. And if it accidentally feeds there.

Cool.

Yeah, you can hit a good shot and get penalized, and you can hit a crappy shot and just barely be okay.

So. So what, as a caddy, what's the one thing that people don't understand about the job of a caddy? Because as far as I understand, it's always, I'm watching. The caddy's there to help, but eventually it's up to the player to make the shot and decide what they want to do. But what's the hard part of being a caddy that people kind of don't really see day to day?

It's that psychologist that you are on the golf course. It's the stuff that they don't show on tv. You know, the old saying back in the day was just the three ups show up, stand up, shut up. That was it. You know what I mean? Caddies were a Bunch of vagabonds and Stuff. There were dudes be passed out in bushes and just stumble up there, and that was it. But it's the money that's out on the PGa Tour right now. There's no such thing as that anymore. Right. So it's the relationship between the player and the caddy. The player and the caddy, because you're with a Guy for 7 hours, 8 hours for the day, not just on the golf course. And so what are you talking about in between shots? And as a caddy, you got to know, like, does my guy have his a game today? And if he has his b game, he knows he has his b game. I know he has his b game. But we got to, like, figure out a way to get the best out of that b game. So some cases, he'll want to hit one club and can I talk him in to a different club at the right moment?

I mean, I would wake up 4 hours before our tee time just for wind forecasts to try it. If we had an afternoon tee time, it was. I was on the course early watching other guys hit shots on holes that I know we're gonna be pivotal for my guy.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

So that part of the game people don't understand. They think it's just you just walk, carry the bag, and keep the clubs clean, and it's not like that at all. And sometimes the hardest part of caddying is wanting to say something to a dude and knowing when not to say something where other caddies or people would jump in there and be like, hey, man, it's gonna be okay.

Don't worry.

We're gonna get through this. And then the dude looks, you like, I'll freaking kill you, man.

Right.

You're like, shut up. And. And sometimes it's like just looking at a dude and not saying nothing. Like, you know what? You're pissed off. Good sitting that. Pissed off. Whatever you need to kick in the ass. I'm not saying nothing.

You're. You're constantly tasked with reading the room and just trying to figure out what. What his vibes are and matching it, whether good or bad. That's very difficult.

Yes. And you're the only. It's you and the player. That's it. That's the only one that's in there that. That really can give. That legally. Can give advice.

Yeah.

Right.

A player in there, and it's the only sport like that. But for me, it was like, it was so much the opposite of doing stand up comedy. So it was like, I get to be the vice president behind the curtain, the only one that got this dude's ear, you know? And then they do the interview, and you hear and be like, oh, that was a great shot. You hit on the par three. Yeah. Seven iron was the right club there. And I get to stand over the side was like, yeah, you want to hit eight iron? Water?

Are you real?

But nowadays, players nowadays are like. Players are so much different now than when I. When I first started caddying. Like, you hear so much more. We and team and stuff. You hear the best players in the world. That's what it's all about. Look what happened to Scottie Scheffler after he brought Ted Scott on the bag. It changed everything. And people are like, really? Did it make that much a difference? What did he shoot the day after he was in jail when Ted Scott wasn't on the bag?

Mm hmm.

There you go.

Right?

Yeah. Makes a difference. Are you a sicko like us? And you like when the USGA puts out the whole locations, and you just stare at the. The map of the holes that morning, and you're like, yeah, I can't wait. Thirteen's got a great hole on it.

Let me put it this way. I might put the pin sheets out on social media when they let them out early.

Yeah.

And when I don't do it during majors, I hear from it.

Oh, yeah.

Like, people hit me up and like, yo, how come you're not putting them pin sheets out, man?

Yeah.

So, yeah, yeah. I'm not gonna lie. I'm a sicko, too. I got problems.

Yeah. Like, I like that. What's the. What's the best piece of advice? And then maybe the the worst advice that you've given as a caddy?

Ooh.

Um.

Best piece of advice. I think the best piece of advice one time I gave was, uh, I was caddying for Omar Uresti, and he had been a little uptight, like, going into a tournament in Vegas, and the first round, I could tell he was uptight. And it was kind of a. It was a pro am back in the day, and I said, give me the scorecard. He goes, why? And I go, I'm going to keep score today. Don't worry about it. You don't worry about keeping score. Just entertain this dude, whoever's with us, and play. And then at the end of the round, he was like, what did we shoot? And I was like, that's right. That's right. And we ended up shooting seven under that day. And when I told him, he was like, what? He didn't even realize that we shot seven under.

Wow.

And the worst advice I ever gave was caddying for John Emorgan. It still bothers me to this day. We were in a Monday qualifier to get into Miami and play Doral, and I had a bad read on our second to last hole, and he didn't necessarily see the same thing that I saw, and so. But he went with my read, and it was wrong. And it, to this day, bothers me. Cause I feel like it cost us a chance to get into that tournament, and if we would have got in, we would have. We would have done some damage together on the PGA Tour.

Yeah.

Or we would have both got arrested and ended up, like, in jail, and it would have ended horribly. But who knows?

That's still fun, though.

Yeah.

Would you think it'd be hard to be John Daley's Caddy because he's driving around in the car? He gets the use of the car. You have to carry the bag and walk.

Plus, gotta carry the bag, though, if. When you're on the PGA Tour Championship, here's the cool thing about being on PGA Tour champions. You can put the bag on the back of the cart.

Well, that's.

Yeah, you ride with the bag all day. I don't care.

I'll go.

I'll get the yardage for you all day.

Tell you what.

Club to pull off the back.

Yeah. But basically, if you're counting for John Daley, you're just, like, giving him instead of shot selection, club selection, like, cigarette selection, like, let's go the. This feels like a marble red.

Yeah.

Right here.

That envy, like, hey, man, finish this Diet Coke, because I'm not putting it back in the bag, bro.

Yeah. Cokes get heavy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've known John forever. He is a really good friend of mine. I love that dude to death. And I I can happily say that I've driven him back to his bus on a few late afternoons and late evenings because I didn't want him to have the drive.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We've.

We've had some good times together, man. He's. He's good people. But that's the one thing I always love to tell people about John Daley, too. That, like, not only is he a great dude to be around, like, when he's a good friend of yours, like, if this shit hits the fan, he coming. And if you want to know who your real friends are, it ain't about when it's perfect, right? It ain't about the sunny days and hanging out and having good times. But it's like, if it hits the fan, you want to find out who your friends are, who coming when it hits the fan.

Yeah. Yeah.

He's one of those dudes. He's coming.

Yeah. All right, so, in terms of this US open, is there anyone besides Scotty Scheffler that you've looked at? And you're like, hey, this guy is playing really well, or this matches up well with Pinehurst? Just because I agree with you, no one can really touch Scotty right now. But if you're trying to find other options, there's got to be a couple guys out there, because it does. It feels like, you know, peak Tiger woods, where when Tiger was, you know, even money against the field, or minus 120 for everybody. Yeah.

Now it's all prop vet, right? That's it.

Right.

All you got is prop bets now because Scotty Scheffler messes it up for everybody.

Yeah.

It's tough, too, especially with the guys coming from live that we haven't seen a whole lot. You wonder, like, how much a guy like John Rahm like, this is one of those show me opportunities for John Rahm, I think. I mean, this is one of those golf course that there's never a wrong time to hit it long and straight. Right? And so, Colin Morikawa is someone whose game is trending in a really good direction. I thought he might have a little drop off him and xander after, especially after the PGA Championship.

Yeah.

But it doesn't. It doesn't seem like he's dropped off a lot. And, look, we. You guys know, like, golf is cyclical. Everything is waves. Except for Scottie Scheffler. It seems like right now, right? But it seems like when dudes, when really top golfers start playing well, they play well for a while. Three to six months, it's like, oh, it's all like donkey Kong. This dude's never going to miss. And then after like three or six months, they start missing all the time and you're like, damn, that dude just fell off. And then it's the next guy and I feel like kind of Kyle Morocco is riding a wave right now where this is a spot that might set up pretty good for him. His putter scares me a little bit, you know? And that's where Scottie, just because his ball striking is good, so good, he doesn't have to be a great putter. Yeah, but it's funny with Scotty, like when. When it's really on the line and he has that twelve footer to save par. Must make to keep that two shot bang, dead center. Perfect speed. And he's got that little fist, the little scotty fist pump.

We call it vanilla bitch.

This punk.

Like, I don't want to be showing too hard.

I want to show up my competition here. You know, I'll just beat them every week.

Yeah, I don't want to be, you know, mean. I don't, you know, as a Christian, pride is one of the seven.

Want.

To be showing off too hard.

Yeah, yeah.

But that's his game. Like, is hardcore like that. So I don't know, man.

What, what about the mentality of going into an event like the US Open where you know that they are specifically making the course difficult to the point where it could be a guys minus one to win it or plus one to win it? Is that like the psychology of going into a tournament like that where you know the course is going to be so much harder than everything else? What? How does that work for the player?

That's where the caddies and the caddies earn their money then, too. Yeah, because there's many times. Listen, and you guys been around enough athletes to understand this, too. They're going to tell you in the beginning, no, man, it's cool. It's laid back. I'm going to be chill. Like we're just playing ping pong. I don't even care if I win. And as soon as the game starts, that's out the window. You can kiss my ass is on now. I thought we was gonna be chill and that's as a great. If you're a really good caddy, you're reminding your guy that all the time at the US Open, bogeys won't kill us. And the other thing you're telling your dude is a. Everybody else is effing up, too, bruh. Yeah, take it easy. We ain't the only ones, because that's what happens. Golfers, they get in their own bubble so hard sometimes and so deep that they're like, I'm the only guy out here screwing this up. This is bullcrap. And then as a caddy, you got to be like, come here, come here. Look at the scoreboard. You see your name still up there? You know why our names still up there?

Because we ain't the only one. Effort up.

Relax.

We got this.

So who do you think. Who are the best caddies in the game right now? Do you have, like, a top five?

No, but here's the thing. Here's why it's hard to do that. We've jokingly made a. Like, I had a joke with one of the caddies because every time I'd see him, I was like, hey, man, you still in the top 50 of caddies? He was like, not this week. I fell out. Right. When you're a caddy on the PGA Tour, what makes you a great caddy is being able to give the player you're caddying for what that player needs. Now, if, let's say, xander Shafle's caddy, went to Caddy for someone else, which he's. I mean, he's not going to do that, right?

Because they're.

They're good friends, too, but he can't catty the same for Xander that he's caddying for somebody else. Like, Ted Scott is not doing the same stuff for Scottie that he did for Bubba Watson because they don't need the same things. So, like, who are some of the best caddies out there? So, I mean, you look at, like, bones, right? When he was caddying for Justin Thomas, he wasn't doing the same stuff for Justin Thomas that he did for Phil Mickelson. Would Phil Mickelson have been the golfer that he was without bone? Without bones? I'm going to say, hell no. No. There's no way. But does that make bones, like, one of the best caddies out on tour? You know, even though he's not working right now? I. I don't know. Because every caddy has to give something different depending on what that player needs. So I think that's if you want to see what great caddies are, it's like, in the moment. In the moment. Did this guy say exactly what his player needed him to say. Like, you look at a guy like Michael Greller and Jordan Spieth, would Jordan be the player that he is without Michael Greller being the caddy that he was for Jordan?

I would venture to say absolutely not. It's why they have stayed together for so long. So it's like, there are all the caddies on the PGA Tour. The reason that they're out there is because of how good they are in the moments that they're needed most.

Yeah.

And they mess up, just like players do. On greatest lines, Mark Wilson won the Honda one year after his caddy accidentally got him a two stroke penalty. And his caddy was so shook up. I mean, Chris Jones is in. Name is Caddy, nickname is crispy. And crispy after the round was just inconsolable. And Mark, then during the round, looked at him and said, hey, man, I'm going to mess up a lot more than you. It's okay. We're going to get through this. And that was on a Thursday, and they won that tournament that week, and it was one of the coolest things ever.

Yeah. That is very cool. This has been awesome. Michael, I have a couple last questions. One of the last questions, a row back question. Rhoback.com comma promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Cusps, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, great golf attire. I was wearing roback polo yesterday when we were out. Roebuck.com promo code take. Does Tiger woods have any chance of finishing top 20?

This might be the US Open course that he does. Are we saying. Are you saying that to me? Like, are you saying there's a chance?

Yeah.

Then, yeah. Okay.

We want it to be in the mix.

Exactly. You're saying it in that sense. Is there a chance? Yes, because this is probably, of all the US Open venues, this might be the easiest of the walks.

Okay.

And that's what it takes for Tiger. Now, that's part of the issue. It ain't the course, it's the walks. Yeah, and this and the stances. So when he misses a fairway at Pinehurst, like, he's gonna be a native area, but he's not gonna have some jacked up stance like he would. Like he would have at the PGA championship, like he did at the Masters. Like, that's the problem. Now, it's also a sand based course, so if they get really bad weather and the course gets soft, then of course it's going to be an issue. But this week, too, the temperature looks like it's going to be a hot.

Mm hmm.

Great for tiger woods in his back.

Yeah.

So if he keeps it in play, like fairways and greens. Yeah, he can hit the shots.

So tiger woods could win the US Open.

No, take it easy, bro. Relax. I didn't say that. Now, there you go.

Maybe not.

Now you're being media. Now you may see. Wow. Don't do that.

Shocking. Come on and say.

That's a bold claim. This is good for the headline. Yeah.

Tiger woods can win the US over this year. No, no. Didn't any what I said, man.

What about.

What about Max Homo? Can max homo win the US open this year? Great Caddy Joe's a great Caddy Joe's a great man.

Griner, man. Joe, grind another one. That's the thing, like, so him and Max has such an amazing team together. You know what? Yeah, I. Yeah, I know a lot of people thought, like, la was the spot for him and stuff, but winning a home game in golf is impossible.

Yeah.

Just too much like that kind of internal pressure that you put on yourself with all the people that you know are there for you. But somewhere like Pinehurst, if ain't that many cousins and nephews coming out from California be like, hey, you want to walk around 20 miles past children of the corn in the middle of nowhere? Nah, we good. We'll stay here in LA. So, um, if Max's putter is good, that's what it'll be for him this week.

Yeah. Okay, last question. Who do you have to win? Not named Scotty Shelford. You have a pick. Can't do Scotty. So you're saying Scotty. It's just Scotty, man.

Yeah. Listen, went back in the day when it was like that, too, with Tiger, and you would be like, tiger or the field? How many people were like, oh, it's the field.

Yeah. No, you're right. You're right.

Yeah, it's dead, man. It's how. I don't know how you pick against Scotty. And the other thing about this year, now, because of what happened at the PGA, what are we gonna say if Scottie wins the Masters, the US Open in the open Championship? And the reason that he didn't win the PGA was because of what happened on Friday.

Well, the officers pants got destroyed. I don't know if you saw the picture. It was. It was an ugly ankles, all right?

Ankles.

Yeah.

That's the playbook. How to beat Scotty Shuffler. Just get him arrested.

Yeah.

Mayberry. RFD hit him up before the round.

Yeah, that's gonna be what happens. Like, going into the open championship. Somebody's gonna make a call to TSA over there and be like, yo, this dude's bringing in paraphernalia.

Yeah.

Yeah, he went hunting before. You know, that means might not want to let him in. Searching.

Good.

Yeah, yeah, he's from Texas, has a gun. Maybe check him out.

Do a double check. Do a double check. All right. Well, Michael, this has been awesome, man. We really appreciate it. You do great stuff, and we're excited to watch some golf this weekend.

Hey, I'm really excited. Thanks, you guys, for having me on, man. I've been wanting to be on y'all show for a while, dude. So this. This means a lot for me to be able to come on and hang out with you guys. So anytime, bro, anytime.

We got. We got to get you in person, play around with you.

Yeah, you could get. You could get in our head. You could tell us. Psychology of the golf game.

Yeah, you could do everything. Actually. That'd be funny. You did everything wrong. Like, you tried to fuck us up the most.

Yeah, it might make us good.

That is not a problem. Do that. You know, you can do that on an interview Saturday or even like, when Sirius XM used to make me do pre round interviews and I was like, I'm not doing that. But you asked the guy the wrong question and you're in his head, and then the next time he sees you, he's like, I ain't talking to you ever again. So getting in golfers heads is easy.

Yeah.

The problem.

Yeah.

Love it.

All right, well, thanks so much, man. Appreciate it, and we'll hopefully see you soon.

Absolutely.

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And now for something completely different. Okay, we now welcome on very special guest, recurring guest. It is 16 year NBA pro Kevin love. Kevin, let's start with that. 16 years. That weird to say out loud because you've, you've done the gray hair. I'm graying as well. 16 years. That's a crazy amount of time. Is it weird to be like, holy shit, this has been 16 years.

It is. And I can remember, man, it was because Kobe came into the league at 17, I believe that his parents actually had to sign his contract at the time because, you know, he wasn't legally obligated to do so. So I remember when he was 34, 35 years old, you know, he looked at me and was like, caleb, I've been in the league half my life. And that always stuck with me. Like, you saw LeBron had just done that, that you had seen in football, that Tom Brady had done it. So that had always stuck with me. So when I hear that I've been in the league 16 years, I came in at 19, got drafted 19 back in 2008. It's wild. Like going into year 17. I'm signed through that with the Heat, and I can hope to continue to keep going. But that goal for me has always been to say, be able to say, I've played half my life in the NBA, that is, but I'm getting old. That gray hair is really, I mean, people, you know, message me. There'll be guys that, you know, on the other side now, which is funny coming in from people like Richard Jefferson, who doesn't have any hair, but he's like, man, those grays really come out on tv.

It, like, really, really sticks out and ages you.

Yeah.

You should do, like, a little makeover this offseason. Just remind people, like, you're still young. Maybe go full bleach, like Eminem.

Ooh. Full bleach would be good. But I always thought, like, you know, I always saw. Remember there's, like, the touch of gray where, like, the guy that's young and hungry has, like, the full black jet hair, and then the older dude has the full gray hair, then they merge them. I feel like there's something there that could be had. Maybe you guys can.

Yeah.

Oh, in the right direction.

You can go. Polly walnuts, just get the wings on either side.

Yeah, that would look.

Yeah, yeah. Very strong.

I'm going gray, and I do, from time to time, will touch it up, but I respect you for not, like you're, you know, representation matters. So seeing you out there running around on the court with gray hair, it. Yeah, someday I want to grow up and do that.

The few, the proud. No question.

Yes. Wait, so, wait, you're not going to retire, right? We can officially. You're officially not going to retire?

I hope not. No. Bam. Actually, bam. In a bio in our Boston series, our only series, had said something in the media about, oh, you know, Kevin said he doesn't have much time left and that he could be on his way out. So that kind of led to a lot of questions of me possibly retiring, but I'm a, you know, to. The wheels fall off. I'm gonna make this thing go as long as I possibly can. So, 16 heading into 17. For a kid from Lake Osmigo, Oregon, not too bad.

Yeah, pretty good. What was it like being in year 16 in Miami? Because I think a lot of people think Miami, great time, kind of an easy lifestyle, but playing for the Heat, they do, like, weigh ins and stuff, right? They have. They have, like, a lot of structure around their program. It was that. Is that easy for you to translate into and to kind of fit in there as an older guy that's established yourself in the league?

It really did. And it was, you know, it was easy to fit in in terms of it being very refreshing for somebody like me. Coach Bo grew up in Portland, Oregon. He's somebody that I've, you know, watched and admired from afar, somebody that, back in 2008, they had the second pick. I ended up being the fifth pick that, you know, I was kind of hoping that there was a way I could play myself into that. It ended up being, you know, Michael Beasley. And then it was OJ Mayo, the third pick, fourth pick, rust, and then myself. But I'd always looked at the heat as a team that, you know, I potentially like to play for. They have just that ethos of. They talk about culture all the time, but just championship type mentality, attention to detail, you know, coming every game, trying to work. No matter who's in, who's out, you know, we're gonna give ourselves an opportunity in preparation to win. So as far as, like, falling in love with the game again, there's been different stages in my career where I felt that has happened. When I first got to Miami last year, I really did feel that I loved not only being in the city, being around the fans, you know, having my family out there with me, but, you know, playing for such a story franchise that only has one thing on their mind, and that's to win games and to win championships.

That was, you know, just refreshing. Being around that every single day and especially having that full year from training camp all the way on through the playoffs this year was. Was definitely special.

Yeah. So you mentioned your. The one playoff series this year, obviously, last year was you guys went deep all the way to the NBA Finals. But the Celtics, the battles that have happened, you know, that team, well, they're in the finals now. What. What is it about the Celtics that they do so well or different versus everyone else that has them on the cusp of winning an NBA title?

Well, they turned, and this is no disrespect to those two guys because they meant so much to them. But, you know, Drew Holiday and Derek White, you had Marcus Smart and Robert Williams turn into those two guys. I mean, excuse me, poor Zingas. And then you have. And then you have Derek White and Drew holiday as their x factors. Those two guys being your x factors is. It's just, they do everything right all the time. I mean, game two was unbelievable to watch Drew operate. Obviously, I'm a fan of his being a UCLA guy, a guy that I played against, you know, a lot in my career, and also growing up, having watched him cable hall guy in Los Angeles. So to see him go eleven for 14 and have 26 and eleven in game two was, it just shows you how deep that their team is. I think that he is. Drew has continued to be overlooked, not just in this series, but throughout his entire career as well. Like, he could have been a perennial all star, a guy that could have asked for more, but he's certainly gone throughout his career in the right way.

And Derek White is somebody who just continues to impress. He lit us up in the first round and, you know, when other guys, you know, weren't having great games or they weren't shooting well or Porzingis went out in our series that, you know, he was able to step up and play extremely well. But back to, you know, Marcus Martin, Robert Williams becoming Drew and poor Zingis, they just unlocked so much for them. When you have a guy that's seven three and that can stretch the floor and then call out Brown and Tatum to operate how they want, it's just impossible to guard and they just throw so many different type of looks at you and it's. It's tough. It's why they've been the best team all year with the best record.

Yeah, well, you guys. You guys showed the roadmap of how to beat the Celtics. You just don't miss threes, just hit every three point shot. Do you think that the Mavericks should try that?

They should probably try that. I mean, what game one, I think they were. What did they shoot? Six for 26 and then maybe seven for 27 in game two? Maybe I have that flip flop, but they haven't been shooting the ball well from three. I mean, it's. Everybody knows that this game three is going to be the series, but they're a team that they would talk about, Missoula talks about playing the math game. They're going to get their threes up. They're going to continue to put guys on the island. And then on defense, they're going to switch one through five and try to force you to not get those threes. They're going to try to funnel you towards the who. Funny towards Porford, funny towards poor Zingis. They're going to switch. They have a big lineup. You know, it's tough to get a lot of shots off of them because they're crashing from the three point line. And you have to hope that you're going to get transition threes and easy transition shots against them because they find so many ways to punish you on both sides of the ball. But if you don't generate enough threes and make enough threes, you won't beat them.

Yeah.

Do role players actually play better at home?

Yeah, I think. I mean, Jaden Hardy was the only one that really did anything for Dallas in game one. I think he had, what, 13 points. And in game two, they just, there wasn't really, you know, much help from that side. But then it's funny, you talk about role players. Six man, like, you have Porzingis that comes out, hits his first few shots, ends up getting 20 points in limited minutes. I mean, that's. It just shows you how good of a team that Boston is. But they play. They play well at home. I think Dallas will certainly do the same. I think they'll shoot better. I think they'll get more from their x factors. They were well balanced in game two. Throughout their starting lineup. I think everybody scored double figures, but, you know, they're going to need more to beat this team. Game one was certainly ugly. Game two was, you know, better in terms of, you know, closer score. And they gave them. It was a lot more competitive game. But game three, there's certain things that need to happen, as we talked about, but my boy Kyrie Irving really has to step up in game three.

I was going to ask that because you obviously know Kyrie very well. A title with him, like, what do you think it's as easy as, like, he had two bad games and he can just flip the switch and like, he, you know, he's got a. Cause.

He.

He does have to play better. You know, going into this series, the Celtics are the better team overall. If Luca and Kyrie can play out of their mind, they have a fighter's chance. But right now, Kyrie just hasn't played well.

He hasn't played well. And what was he, six for 19 and then seven for 18 in game two? You know, it's.

It's.

It's not only about hitting shots. He needs to, you know, when they come to double him or they switch off onto him, he has to continue to create. Like, I was waiting in all the series leading up to the finals, you always saw he kind of just let the game come to him in the first half, and the second half, he exploded. And then. So I was just sitting there the first two games waiting for it, waiting for it, waiting for it. And, yeah, he did have two bad games. Obviously, he has the history there in Boston. I know he wants to prove himself, and I don't care what he says. He doesn't care. Or maybe he likes those guys on that team, but he doesn't care for the city, obviously, to, you know, like we said, tomorrow, game three is, is, is the series. They have to win that one. But in order for that to happen, Kyrie has to be himself. And he just wasn't in those first two games. It's as simple as that. His shot making and his, you know, leadership this year has taken us such a huge stride and really taking that team to the next level.

But it has to be that Batman and Robin with, with him and Luca. And Luca has, again, more than done his part, and he's been excellent in these playoffs. And, yeah, he needs. He needs Kyrie to be his wingman.

Yeah.

Luca might be the best player in the world right now. Do you have a top five?

A top five in the world?

Yeah.

Top five in the world.

Very important.

Yeah. Joker is. But I'm always, like, all things considered, right? So I think, you know, Joker is up there, certainly. Luca, Sga, embiid, Giannis. Giannis. I mean, like, in that health plays a factor, too. So, like, Joel, when he's at, in peak form and he's feeling good, like, if he was healthy throughout the playoffs, I believe that they do beat the Knicks. But then the Knicks, it's like they have guys banged up. Randall's out. So everyone gets with teams as well. Everybody gets. I mean, look at us. Jimmy was out. Terry Rozier was out. So, you know, I think that that health plays, you know, a big part in all that, but top, top five. Yeah, I'd probably say those guys.

Good answers depend.

Yeah. And, I mean, maybe not in that order, but it's. It's pretty close.

Yeah.

It's definitely those five, though.

What? Yeah, go ahead.

Did you watch the, the end of the Timberwolves Maverick series when Rudy Gobert was trying to play defense on, on loop Luca, and you were like, I did that against Steph Curry?

I did. I didn't say exactly that when Rudy was guarding him, but I don't know, I was kind of torn on how I felt about, you know, if I wanted the Timberwolves to win or not, because I do like the way, how the, you know, the way that their team is built. Anthony Edwards, how can you not enjoy watching him and love watching him play? And as a competitor, you know, they're playing different ways. I like how Nasree and Jay McDaniels, all those guys play, but, yeah, I think you get put on that island by somebody like Luca. It's like I said, I just, you know, we've gone over that play in 2016 probably 200 times within the film sessions, the scout reports the walkthroughs. So, you know, when I switched out onto Steph during that possession, I kind of just try to keep my feet down, force him into a tough shot, and listen, he just missed the shot. Everybody said, oh, it's this great stop. He kept his feet down, but he just missed the shot.

Yeah.

No, you locked him.

You locked him up.

Come on.

Yeah, I locked his ass up. But at the end of the day, like, what do you. If you're Rudy Gobert on any guard trying to switch out, he was on an island. I don't know what they were, what they were doing, where the help was, why they switched off, but I think, I don't know if it was McDaniels or who it was that they got in the switch. And when you slow it down, you had kind of seen his face just like. Like, oh, man. Shit, here we go again.

Yeah.

And that was it.

Yeah. All right, so in terms of, like, the Mavericks in that locker room right now, because you obviously, famously, you were on a team that was down two games. You were down three one in the series against the Warriors. I know there's a whole. We can't panic, but what is it actually, like? Is there. Is there a nervous energy of, like, we're. We're up against it right now for sure.

And I think. I think that's also healthy. Right. It's important to you. You want to feel like, all right, our backs up against the wall. And, you know, I've been on teams where not only 16, but even, you know, last year, when everybody counted us out and we made that finals run, our backs were against the wall, and we felt like that. We felt like, you know, it's just going to be us. We have to step up. We have to play better. But we can also, especially at home, you know, play into our crowd. We're going to need them. It does matter. Home court advantage does matter, but everybody has to play their best. And I think in some ways, you also have to play like, there's. There's nothing to lose. At the same time, you have to play free because, you know, you can't go out there and be shooting under 30% from three and expect to win. So you have to be loose. You have to be free. And I think, speaking of Kyrie Irving, too, I think he has to, you know, because he's done it all year, but been a real leader for this team, and he's going to have to come out tomorrow and show them the way because he's.

He's won a championship. He knows what it takes. He's played extremely well in the finals a few times, and I think he's going to be the one that's going to have to set the tone for him. But I do think there's, you know, the healthy emotions and the appropriate fear of, hey, if we don't win this game, you know, this is probably it. So I think the Celtics also know and Missoula also know, like, hey, we're gonna, this is gonna be their haymaker tomorrow that they're gonna throw and we have to withstand that. But I know that Jason kiddo, have him. Have him ready for tomorrow.

And on the reverse side, I mean, you've been in series where you're up 20. Do you find yourself having, like, we aren't playing with the same urgency? Because it does feel like that's the path here for the Mavs. They obviously have to win games three and then you're hoping that game four is tight and you can, you know, go from there because there always does feel that psychology of game three going back home. Other teams up two o, maybe they're not playing with this type of focus and energy that they should have.

Yeah, I think it's, you know, some people's natural instinct is to relax or to think it comes. I shouldn't say easy, but, you know, our route here to, you know, potentially winning a game three, which could be a series and championship deciding game, you know, just to pull it back a little bit, is probably all that, you know, a team like Dallas needs to, you know, use their crowd, to use the city, to use everybody, you know, stepping up and playing well to their advantage. But I do believe that there is something certainly to that. When you, when you talk about, you know, the psychology of the game, you see that happen a lot. Guys just. It's a natural instinct just to relax. All right, we're up, too. Oh, we have some breathing room, but I do believe that, you know, Tatum Brown or for the guys that have been there a while are going to make sure that that isn't the case. But until you actually get out there, lace them up and toss the ball up, you just never know.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's going to be interesting. And you were talking about Kyrese leadership ability that he has this year or seems to have. He seems like he's kind of matured a whole lot this season. We were saying that actually he, he needs to get back to the, like the wild Kyrie, like, did it completely.

At least for this series. Yeah, just go unhinged. Bring the sage out. Just. Yeah, you know, bring the, bring the walking stick in. Like, if you do that and change that dynamic, say the earth is flat again, I think we might have a 40 point game out of Kyrie.

Yeah, I like that. He absolutely should. But when you were playing with him, he might have been just a different guy because you, you know, you mature as you get older. That's kind of human nature. Was he, is he a vocal leader? Do you know about him being like a very vocal presence in the locker room at shoot around? Or did he, like, keep to himself most often?

Most often he kept to himself. But I think to his point, he knew when, when he spoke up or when he spoke up that, which wasn't often that guys were going to listen because, you know, he kind of of, you know, would catch you off guard when he did that. So you wanted to, you know, kind of hang on his every word because you knew that it must have really been important to him for him to say something. But I think he always, at least when he was around us, led by example, and was one of those guys that was just incredible to play with and to watch. I tell everybody all the time, I've never seen a better, first of all, people talk about handel, talk about game. I think everybody says it now, but we looked at him and said, man, if he was six five or six six, he'd be, you know, Kobe, and he already is, you know, so skilled. He has a crazy post up game handle shot selection, best under the rim finisher that I've ever seen. And in a five on five type of situation or scenario in practice, I've never seen anybody better.

I've never seen anybody better than Kyrie Irving.

Yeah. What? So question about coaching during the finals or the playoffs in general, has there been a specific moment where one of your coaches gave you guys a adjustment that, like, unlocked everything? Because I never know. I see it. You see adjustments throughout the series, but I never know how much it's overrated or it's underrated. If the coaching in a series game to game really does get a team like, oh, that once they made this switch, it just changed everything.

Yeah. And I think now when you have all these advanced analytics and you have numbers that tell a story, there certainly are more adjustments to be made. But, you know, it's such a, you know, a small ball and switching type of league now that you have to find ways to, you know, take advantage of that, you know, as well as, you know, understand what, where and what the other team, where they're getting their best, you know, where they're functioning at their best and where they're getting their most points per possession, you know, depending on where we're sending a guy, are we sending help? Are we going to double team them? Are we going to trap them? Are we going to send the low man? I mean, there's so many different things depending on the matchup that dictates what those, you know, different changes are going to be throughout the course of a game. The course of a series could be a lineup change. There's just so many different decisions that have to be made throughout the course of a seven game series, and I'm sure there's one coming here in game three. What that is, I don't know.

I think Boston obviously, is going to run it back and play the same way, but Jason Kidd is going to find their way to, you know, unlock them on the offensive end, which is, you know, going to be huge for them in game three.

Yeah. I mean, he already tried the. Jalen Brown is the best team or player on the Celtics.

Yeah.

Do you think that was a little desperate? Because it's like, it was gay after game one. And also, those guys, we were. We were joking on. On Sunday, like, it feels like it was maybe like three or four years too late to do that because it. It might have worked four years ago with those two guys, but it feels like they've been through so many wars together and matured so much that they are kind of. Yeah, they don't care anymore and they just want to win.

Okay.

Yeah.

And it's funny, they. I think the. It was posed to drew holiday, like, hey, did you hear what Jason. Jason Kidd had said about Jalen Brown being the best player? He's like, well, he is. Okay, what's the follow up to that? There's no follow up. You know, Tatum after game two was like, man, golly, I need to. He literally said, golly, too. That's not me saying that. He said, you know, he's like, I need to make some shots. But he's like, if. Why is it. Why am I focusing on myself right now making shots where we're winning two basketball games, other guys are playing great, and we, you know, haven't won a championship, what, in 15, six, or however many years it's been Oasis. Why would I care about myself missing shots right now? So, Jay, I mean, JB has been. Dan Brown's been great for them throughout the playoffs, and at times, he really is their best player. So I do think it was. Yeah, maybe a few years too late. There's, you know, too much scar tissue. There's too many layers to be peeled back, you know, after so many tough losses for them, whether you're in the finals, Eastern Conference finals, that.

No, they don't. They don't care. They don't give a shit.

Yeah.

Yeah. Probably smart on their part, like they've dealt with this enough. If you say at the start of a season, maybe it gets in the guy's head, but they're like, this is too important right now. We're in the NBA Finals. This is what we work for. Those mind game Jason kids gonna need to like spill a couple more gatorades, I think, like step up, step.

Smart, man.

Yeah, smart.

That's a great adjustment. I've never seen that before.

Yeah, it was really good. Got to ask you about Bill Walton. So you guys have the UCLA connection. Bill was, we can't call him a friend of ours. We had him on the show one time, but he's such a unique dude and an interesting person that he's a guy that will leave a mark on you whenever you meet him. I'm assuming you got to spend a fair amount of time with Bill and just curious to know from your perspective, like any, any great Bill Walton stories or anything that's going to stick with you about getting to hanging out with.

Him, just the type of person he was. I think that I was very fortunate to have been around him and got to spend time around coach Wooden and Bill Walton at the same time, which for a 17 year old was incredibly special, I think at the time. You know, I like to say it wasn't lost on me, but looking back and really understanding who they were and what they meant to the game of basketball, obviously coach Wood in the overall game, but certainly the college basketball game. But Bill just everywhere. I mean, he was a force, force in nature, somebody who was bigger than the game itself, made people feel a certain way, not only about him, but about life. Every time you were around him, you just felt like what life is supposed to be about, like the goodness of him and him. But I can remember the first time that I spoke to him was when I was 16 years old. I was getting recruited by UCLA. Coach Ben Hallen was, you know, he wanted me to take a call and, you know, it was about a 30 minutes call because Bill likes to speak and he just told me probably two minutes about UCLA basketball, a couple minutes about, you know, coach wooden and the tradition of excellence.

But then he spoke about pet sounds, the Grateful dead, the beach boys in that era for about 25 minutes. And I was like, man, what, Matt? That guy was special. But he was just somebody who, again, I watched growing up, I watched the Boston Celtics outlet drills. I watched him on that 86 team being a six man. They always said playing when he wanted to, leaned on stories about him from Kevin McHale my first year in Minnesota, obviously, furthering the big man tradition at UCLA was a huge thing for me. Me going there in 0708 and seeing his photo everywhere, hearing all the stories. And it's funny, I know I'm a little bit all over the map here, but Bill was. He's just a very special guy that meant so much to the league, and he will be solely missed, for sure.

Yeah. All right. So, Kevin, this has been awesome. We love having you on. I had one last question for you. It's a robot question. Jck.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Cusps, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, robecam. Promo code take go right now. So the Olympics coming up. Yeah. Are you waiting to see if you make the team?

I'm not going to make the team this time.

We need to stand up for Kevin Love, like people are doing for Caitlin Clark. Be like this bullshit if you want.

To grow the game. You have love in the Olympics.

Yeah, this is bullshit. But you did win a gold medal in 2012 in London. How awesome is it playing on the Olympic team? Just being like, we're fucking. We're so much better than everyone.

It's pretty awesome. I mean, I'm late, but, you know, and a lot of these teams that you play against, especially now, the world game across the board has gotten so much better. And you see of those players that we mentioned earlier in the top five, whether four, four out of the five, non american. So it's amazing to see where the game has gone, even since 2012 with the Olympics in 2010, with the world championships, where the game has grown to. And also crazy, when I look at those photos and you look to your left, you look to your right and you're like, okay, it's Kobe Young, Kevin Durant, LeBron, Carmelo, Russell Westbrook. Yeah, it's just like. It's pretty wild to see, you know, just how good that team was. But now you look in 2024, what that team is going to look like if Embiid does indeed play, you know, in the starting five and throughout their entire team, who they're going to put on the floor is really going to be, you know, special to watch. And even though. So I didn't get picked for the team, I will still tune in and make sure that I'm checking that out.

Although the women's, I don't know if Kelly Clarkson on the team, I might not watch.

Yeah.

Everyone say we're all boycotting. Yeah, boycotting.

Do you agree that if Jason Tatum was from Eastern Europe, that he would be in a top five.

That he would be in the top five.

Yeah. A lot of people are having the.

Conversation if he was from eastern Europe.

Is it anti american bias?

Hank is just mad. Hank is mad because Jason Tatum is the 6th best guy or 7th best player in the league, and he gets upset that people don't put him as the third best player.

This is a lie. They're gas.

There's levels to this.

There's a lot of chatter that, yeah, if, you know, best player, best team, should he be in the top five?

Plays defense, unlike Luca. That's got to mean something.

No, I think. Listen, it's. Yeah, it's tough to say. I feel like this league is so. It's so much based on, like, your scoring output now, all the rules. Everything is pretty much, you know, manufactured in order for guys to score. So I think you look at a guy like Luca who's averaging, you know, he's averaging 30 then 313-233-3435 points a game, you know, and, yeah, he's. They basically put him on the, you know, weak side block to play defense, so he just kind of has to tag guys in the. But he gets to save all his energy for offense. His offense is his defense. But. No, I get what you mean. Like Missoula, he does a great job of making sure that everybody that comes in, you, you have to. You have to guard your man, and if you switch, you have to. You have to, you know, make it hard for the next guy. I think Tatum does a really good job of that, but. But, yeah, it's. I think it's hard for a lot of people to put him in their top five. And is that fair? I don't know, but if he ends up winning a championship, I don't really think you'll give a shit.

We need. We need it. We need you. Yeah, you won't either. We need this. We need the maps to least win one game, because it sucks that we're two games into the NBA Finals and we're doing like, where's Jason Tatum ranked? But that's what Hank does to us.

Shut up.

I have never cared about the rank gaslights.

No guy.

I'm a results guy. I just want to win.

Kevin. Kevin.

I got two games in. They have to win. And Hank's like, hey, I know a guest we should have on.

It's.

It's Kevin love.

Yeah. Yeah. He is our producer. Yeah.

When it comes to the Olympics. What was that like for you? Did you have to stay in the same Olympic village as, like, every other athlete? Or was there a special section for multimillionaire superstar basketball players?

The ladder. There was a special section for us, you know, kind of in the epicenter of London at the time. So we, we didn't, we didn't stay in the Olympic village, which was upsetting because it was, I mean, it's like you're, you're, you know, back in a college type atmosphere, and you're in, you're in the dorms, and you just get to be around every other country, every other athlete, and, you know, kind of break bread with them. But we, we visited. But we USAB, we kind of had our spot off to the side and took a little bit tougher route logistically to get to where we needed to be. But again, staying in the village would have been an experience.

Yeah. All right. Well, Kevin, thank you as always, man. We appreciate it. When the heat come to town next year in Chicago, you got to come in, come by and check out the new office, maybe would love to run us through some drills, but appreciate it, and we'll talk to you soon, man.

All right, gentlemen, appreciate you.

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Okay, let's wrap up the show with.

Pardon your take breaking moose.

What's breaking moose?

Aaron Rodgers is not attending minicamp, and it is not excused, per Robert Sala. So he's going to get fined. He said Rogers had a previous engagement, an event that is important to him.

Wait, mini camp? No one goes to minicamp.

It's not excused.

It's not excuse.

He's at an event.

Who cares?

The Ayahuasca Olympics.

Hmm. He's probably doing some politics stuff.

Maybe. Maybe at the speed.

So it's not opening. Why would he. Why would. Why would Robert stop? Why wouldn't he just say it's excuse, not make it a hole? Like you're just basically asking for it to be a headline for no reason?

Yeah.

Good job, memes. Way to figure it out. Yeah. This is nothing burger.

Nothing burger, nothing. He's been to all voluntary otas, unexcused.

Right, so. But that's our point. If it's a nothing burger, why wouldn't you just make it a nothing burger?

Yeah, and he should have just said it's excuse, and then you give float the Florios of the world the headline. Oh, the Florios.

Right, right.

What does that mean? Florios. How many Florios are there?

So many.

Flores. Okay, name your top three florios right now based on the two I saw. So, Florios one.

Okay. Matt Miller. He's an NFL scout. Wait, Florio is the number one Florio?

Florio's number one. And still. Okay, still.

Yeah.

Matt Miller I just saw. I think he works for ESPN and Diane.

Or see me.

Diane is the number three Florio. Yeah. Wow.

Sounds like a little anti italian bias there. Matt Miller include rich somini in there.

Through Matt Miller in there.

Average is fine.

So.

Wow.

Diana is the damn number three Florio.

Brutal. Okay, then we got a lot of florios out there. A lot of Florios also. Max, what's this Ben Simmons Jason Tatum thing you keep retweeting.

I did. People. People kept tagging me in it, and I just wanted to tell them to stop tagging.

Okay, so what is it?

It was just a. It was just, like, a stat line that said that Ben Simmons had better stats than Jason Tatum does in these playoffs.

In what way?

Or in the finals.

Ben Simmons was in the finals?

No, no, just like, in his career.

Compared to these finals, playing, like, regular season career.

Tatum is just playing like Ben Simmons in these five.

He's averaging almost a triple double.

So did Simmons in the regular season.

Yeah, but that.

What happened in the playoffs.

I told people to stop tagging me.

Do you think that this is a good. I don't want to stop tagging you.

Yes, I did. I wanted to stop.

That's all.

How much people hate.

I agree.

Just not. But, like, even I'm reading the first question that means sent memes hands pixies, and he goes, hey, PMT boys and mavs. Max, my take is that Jason Tatum is the NBA equivalent of Brock Purdy. Like, that is just you have to reach so hard as a hater to come to that conclusion.

You really do. I respect it, though.

Same with Ben Simmons.

I respect it. He's. He's a system guard or system number three.

It's okay. But, Hank, you are partially to blame for this now. Yes, you are. Because the Jason Tatum discourse sucks, because people try to put him in this top three, top five range. He's not. But there's a big difference. Like, I think the best is an awesome leader of the team.

That's the best team in the NBA, and then potentially wins the NBA championship. Yeah, those conversations deserve to be had. Luca doesn't play defense.

Jason Tatum is awesome. Jason Tatum plays knots. It not on the same level is Luca and Jokic and, like, giannis. It's just not the same. But that.

I don't really care about the individual. The problem is, I just want the Celtics to win.

But the problem is whenever.

No, but it's crazy how much people like Jason.

Oh, wait, wait.

That's not true. Because every time I've seen. When I said Luca was better than Tatum, you're like, you're a fucking Tatum hater. You got mad at me for that?

Yeah.

Okay, so then it's not true that, like, that's my point, is that you get. When I see.

We'll just diminish them. They give him like, oh, he's not a fucking top five, top ten. Like, Shea has been good for one.

Year, but when I say. That's not true. When I say that.

Top five level.

No, but he's been. He's not. It's not just. This is the first year that he's ever been good at basketball as a top five player. He was really good the year before. Wasn't really good the year before.

And actually, I would not say was a top five player.

No, he wasn't. But Tatum is not. Tatum is not a top five player either. He's like, seven, which is fine, which is awesome. But that's.

It's close enough where the conversation could be had.

No, I think there's levels to it that it's very different putting Shia in.

There and just being like, oh, yeah, he's 100% top five. Good year.

Wait, I didn't say Shay was. It was. Was in the top five right now.

Got it.

I also. You. You pretending like you don't get triggered anytime anyone says anything even remotely bad about Tatum is a fucking.

I don't mind people saying this, Max.

You're right. You go, Max loves it. Because he knows I'm right once.

You're a liar for I am open to criticism. I'm open to discord. No, once you throw Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons.

For the record, I didn't want people to tag me in that.

But you're. You. You're being completely disingenuous. No, no, I'm not. You're pretending.

Hank. Hank's saying I am completely open to.

Open to criticism. It's ridiculous.

I take more criticism than anyone else.

Yeah, open to it.

I'm super open to it.

Bring it on.

I think you invite on me every day.

You invite criticism.

I exist. Yes, that's the issue.

Yeah, that's it. Also, the stat comparison is. It's very funny because it's comparing Tatum's finals, of which we have a sample size of two games. Well, no, he falls warriors or no 2024 finals. It's. It's just this year's finals and it's being compared to Simmons entire rookie year and also only outside of the restricted area. So they just cut, they kept throwing like little cab.

Yeah, yeah. I defended Tatum's game two performance when people were saying he was trash. You, you're be. You are disingenuous. You are. That's not true. You are. Because you. Anytime I would say the Tatum, I'm gonna open that upper, upper level, you'd be like, you fucking just hate him.

So rest is still unwritten belonging him.

Six seven is not an insult.

I never said it was.

Yes, you have.

But I think a conversation could be made for Colin. Foul five.

So the. The fact is his game too. If you're just basing beat is in the average player or not. And like did the Stanley average winning share. Jason Matter played a winning game compared to average guys. Good game compared to like what you would expect from staying healthy should matter.

Sure, but the guys on your team matter. The Celtics have an awesome team. Tatum is an awesome player. He's not the same as the top three or four guys in the league.

You're making people hate Jason Tatum.

Yes, that's my point. He has made it.

I'm reacting to.

In the level of the best player in the league. He's just not. But that's okay. It doesn't matter. It doesn't mean that he's bad. He's really fucking good. He's going to have a career where he's like the fifth to 7th best player for a decade plus. It's going to be a Hall of Fame career.

You said five.

Six to 7th best player for a decade plus. It's crazy. Any time you are speaker two.

Anytime somebody hates on Jason Tatum, they're really hating on Hank. And you're, you're, you're becoming an avatar of everybody that is a pain in the ass to root for Hank.

Yeah, whatever.

I don't.

I'm just, I'm just defending my guy, which I respect. What is your guys thoughts on if college football did a March madness style bracket with 68 instead of their playoffs, you'd have so much football and hit on so many overs.

Ollie from Canada, are somebody the regular season?

Yeah, that'd be the regular season. No, football wouldn't work.

What do you think is the perfect number of teams for, for college football playoffs? I kind of like twelve.

I think 16 get four extra games.

Yeah, I kind of like twelve.

Well, I think. I think they need to get rid of. They need to get rid of the conference championship because that feels like it should just be. The top two are automatically in. Like, the conference championship should actually be the third and the fourth best team playing to get into the college football playoffs, not the first and second. That would get like Michigan and Ohio State, though, are going to be playing for the same Michigan Ohio State play for a conference championship. They're both already going to be in the playoff.

Yeah.

So it's like an added game. That doesn't really. I know it's the home, home field advantages at stake, but I would. The only thing I would like to see is like, I would like. I'm always in favor of as many ways for teams to play their way in.

Yeah.

Less to the voters.

It would be weird, though, if it was a conference championship and was the third and the fourth best.

You just didn't call it a conference championship game. You just called it a play in game. In game. Yeah.

Yeah.

So you know what I mean? Like, I like being able to play as many games on the field as possible so it's not a judge judged, like, oh, this team's resume versus this team's resume. Just play it out.

Yeah. Maybe get Florida State to play against the second place team in the big ten and Florida State can beat them. Then they're in 16 teams. 1612 to 16 is good, but I hope they don't expand it any further than that.

No, no. I think that that's the limit because once you get past 1260, it's teams that are. Have some big flaws that, that would really. I don't think, like, deserve to play for a national title.

Hey, big cat. Pft. Hank and my brother Max from Philly not enough. People are talking about how Luca doesn't play defense and that if Jason Tatum was. Wait, Europe, then everyone would be glazing him as hard as.

Wait, I thought memes set it up for you.

Yeah, this is a good one.

Oh, interesting.

If Jason Tatum was european, if he was, if he was Slovak, what would happen?

You didn't even read the Brock purdy one.

You didn't read the bro.

Yeah, I stopped at first since it was so stupid.

Yeah, right, but you just said that.

Brock Purdy has good players around. Yeah, he's a good player. Yeah, but he has good players around him, which makes him a better player.

But remember, Hank's open to criticism. You just won't finish the question. What?

You just started screaming.

No, you. You started.

You said, I'm disingenuous. No, you said, that's a bold, that's a. Those are fighting words.

You are.

I'm not. I'm genuine as fuck.

Okay.

Brock Purdy was almost the mvp.

True.

Take that as a compliment.

Yeah. Would you say that Brock Purdy is one of the top three QB's at any point?

It's. It's the. No, I would not.

Oh, interesting.

And the fact that, like, it's.

He's had nothing but success.

Brock Purdy has not had nothing but success.

He was a six round pick.

He was a six round.

Oh, well, that's a draft. Draft order now.

Well, yeah.

Be nothing but success. He would have been successful in college. Would have been successful. You know, he would have got drafted higher.

How far. How successful was Jason Tatum in college?

He scored a lot. He was good.

Brock Purdy scored a lot.

Drafted three awl, Robbie from mass. Which will happen first, the process being completed, or max during the lottery ball?

Oh, that's a good question. The problem is the process we've talked about. This will never be complete. They can keep it going forever.

It's always up for debate. Yeah.

Yeah.

It's really the butterfly effect.

Unless they win, then. Then it's complete.

Then it's complete.

Yeah, but that's not gonna happen.

Yeah.

Our last one. What's up, Maddie? My theories of Tennessee Titans draft Matt Leinart, not Vince Young. The Titans would have won at least one Super Bowl 0304. USC wins the natty back to back. Oh five. The Titans hire norm Chow. USC makes it back the natty no. Five, but narrowly lose to Texas. The tits owner, Bud Adam, being a Texas guy, drafts young with third overall. The tits end up drafting Lindell White in the second, and Lineheart went 10th. Overall. Now, you cannot tell me if we had almost three peat. National champ, OC Heisman QB backup power back two years later, draft CJ two k that the tits wouldn't have at.

Least one, one Super bowl, some all time fan fiction.

These are also the years Titans had Bullock, KVB and Pft's boy Albert Hainsworth on defense. Interested to hear your thoughts.

So basically you're saying, like, just keep USC together.

Yeah.

There you have the Eagles. They're like, the Eagles.

No, the next.

The Eagles, too, but nix with Georgia.

Yeah, but, yeah, next with Nova.

I don't. I don't mind this level of cope because then you can just look back and say, yeah, we basically, basically won a Super bowl.

Yeah.

But also, Vince Young was very, very good his rookie year.

Yeah. He showed some promise.

Yeah.

And did he win rookie of the year?

He did.

Yeah.

And now he's reduced to playing pro ams on the golf tour.

Yeah. Doing interviews.

Wasn't he on Madden cover?

He was.

Yes, he was.

Wow.

Hey, do feel like we didn't end this. This thing?

No, we're good. We got two games left. I just can't wait for him to drop, like, 240 pieces and wins, and then it's like, so.

And what happens if he doesn't and.

We win the championship? That he's still the leader of a championship team.

Hank, have you thought about what has to happen if you. If the Celtics win?

Yes. Someone reminded me that.

Yeah, you have to shave your head.

Okay, great. Yeah, I'll get to it.

Good. Wait, when? What do you mean you'll get to it?

I mean, we just don't like. I'll get to it.

You're just never gonna do it eventually. When's. When's that? You told Derek White you would do.

It, and I will.

And we'll have Derek white back on and be like, where? Why isn't your head shaved? If he's. What's your answer?

If he's here, if he comes back in here.

No, no. You'll be on set.

That you would do it. It.

I will do it.

I.

That's my word. Oh, I know. I give you my word that I will shave my head if the cell is won a championship.

So when he comes back on the show, you'll make sure that your head shaved for him.

I will do it.

Are you saying that you're not going to do it now?

I will do it.

So are you. But when Derek White is back on the show after the Celtics win the title, and he's like, hey, where's my guy?

Hank still doesn't have a perm. I'm like, I have at least two years. I don't know when. When that bet was from, but you've given me a two year window to shave my head all time to once. Once you get the perm, that's when the window closed. That's a statue of patience. Means when we have to pay off our bet.

Get the permit off the perm. Get the perm, people. I'm going to perm. I'm willing to do the permit anytime, all right?

He's always been willing to do the best thing.

Like, I will shave my head.

Always will.

I will definitely shave my head.

Memes told me was happening in the live stream. When I got the tattoo, I was ready to do both. Don't know what happened to the perm person.

Yeah, but don't. But. But once you close the perm bet, then that's the window that I have to shave my head.

This. No, Hank, you're being. Now you're being disingenuous.

He's being. He's being very genuine as fuck all day. You're the.

You're the leader of the show, Hank.

You are the host of part of my take.

You're the host.

You're being genuine, Hank.

No, I'm being genuine.

I don't think it's a word.

It is. And Hank's being. It. It's literally. Just look at Hank right now. Disingenuous.

Wait, you don't think disingenuous is a word?

Genuine?

Oh, no. Genuine. Definitely not.

Yeah, but that's fine.

Genuine. Genuine. Yeah, he's being a genuine.

Genuine winona rider.

It is Wynonna Judd. That's where I learned Winona.

But that doesn't. It's Winona Ryder.

She's gonna. She's gonna take whatever I call her.

Disingenuous.

I'm a man of my word. What bet have I not paid up?

Wait, we need to go back and look at. At the actual transcript of that, because I'm pr. Did you say that there was, like, a time frame when you shave your head?

Oh, yeah. Right after.

No, as you guys were saying it, I knew.

Stop it.

Like, you in the back, your head did the perm bet.

Well, it's like you guys have set the example. You guys are the leaders of the show.

And why not, son?

I don't know. I could. I could find something. Okay, but pft. Like, I'm willing. Fact or fiction? Like, there's not. There's like, a perm hurts.

Per hurts.

If there's. If there's a perm. If there's a perm capable person that's in the building right now, I'll get a perm right now. It's never been. I've never tried to stop the perm. I've actually.

All right, let's finish up numbers.

I will shave my head if the Celtics win a championship and for Derek.

White when he comes back on next season. No.

Do you think that maybe you don't have a choice? Like, again?

Like, you can talk to you? If you're upset with me, get upset with him.

All right?

So if you're upset with me, look in the mirror.

Worst case scenario, when was the perm? That was the Eagles. That's October, November, December, January, February, March, April, May, June, 8 months.

Okay, great. Middle of this, I look at the transcript.

Hank said, yeah, I'll shave my head when we win.

When you said, when we win.

All right. Numbers.

818.

23.

Did you say 20?

I said 20.

I'll do 15.

Yeah, you paused on it. I don't know what was going on there.

Yeah, that's all me.

You ever got 89?

No.

Do you want to switch?

I just said that.

No, you did.

No, you don't want to switch.

88.

21. 44.

Love you guys.

Talking away today is a day to find you shine away I'm coming for your love of me take me out.

Better to be safe.

Take me, I be gone just play my worries. You all think I come to remember shining on you anyway take on me take me up, I begun we're up all night. We're up all night to get lucky we're up all night to get lucky. We're up nice to get lucky.

We're up night to get.