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On today's part of my take, we have an awesome, awesome, awesome interview with the legend himself, John Elway. I Reaper.Yes.Which it's about goddamn time, because it's such a good nickname. He had the slim reaper, he had the tarantula, and he was like, no, I want to be called the servant instead. Because he didn't feel he was worthy of the nickname. No, this is a slim reaper. We have slim Reaper, Kevin Durant in these Olympics.Yes. And he. Yeah, he was. He was incredible. I mean, he does play well on super teams.Yeah, it's true.Fact.It's true.So, Hank, any other. Any other comments from vacation? Cause this had to have, you know, you're on vacation, you deserve your vacation to then see this happened. You're like, God damn it, I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna have to do, like, ten minutes of my job today. That's gotta be brutal.Yeah, I did listen to the podcast earlier. Friday's podcast. I got 1 minute in before I turn it off.So why. Why we say we were nice?I think. I think you started by well again. Cuz it's like, I talked to guys behind the scenes. Oh, family's gonna.Start of a vacation.They're all gonna get together for the first time and I don't know how long. Do you mind if I take Wednesday off?Like, yeah, the long.No problem. Do what you gotta do.Like, don't worry.I listen to podcasts, and it's like, well, hanks on here. He fucking took a vacation.I mean, the Lockwoods, to start their vacation on Wednesdays. Yeah.Going even earlier.Plan their vacation around the vacation you plan that you're not even taking.You should have gone earlier, Hank. You should take in two weeks.Yeah, I might just not. You know, I might just stay out here.Well, the good news is, you are going to make it back next week for us to golf, which I didn't.Plan, for the record.Well, you did.Well, I am planning it now.But you set it all up. No, you said, do you want to play golf? And I said, sure.Oh, on Friday.Yeah.I think you're talking about the great week.Well, yeah, you. This is your.You planned this vacation week, big cat.I know. And I had circumstances that made me not take a vacation. I. But I planned this vacation week. Right.And then I was like, hey. Like, I know we planned this vacation week. My family's That would be like having Aaron Rodgers.Yeah.Or Miss Hilarious cow gets to, like, the torch.Yeah. Very, very bizarre. I guess. I guess because he is, like, always wins the French open.Yeah, that's it. That's it.Yeah.He's french national hero.I guess he is kind of like part of french history.Yeah.Just wins the French Open. I think that maybe that's what it was like.Vietnam gets the Olympics. We have Sylvester Stallone.Yeah.The torch for his work in Rambo.Yeah, that's. It was, Yankees game this weekend.No.The dude jumped into the stands, caught the ball, and as he's falling, the right fielder, as he's falling into the crowd. He bumps his glove on a Yankee fan. The ball drops and it's a home run. Who is fucking wild?That is wild. Have the Mets done anything? Memes?The Mets trade for Jesse Winker.Okay.From the nationals. And then they also got a pitcher.Who got lit up today, Ryan Stanek. Yeah, yeah, yeah.Awesome. Riley pimped one.Yeah. And I think the, oh, Max had his moment where he thought he was getting Mike Trout, which was fun.Yeah.If Phillies Jeff Passon tweeted that the Phillies traded, like, their top two prospects to the Angels for help and it was, I think, just a picture they got.Yeah, it's Mike trout. I don't know if he would want to play in Philly. I little fact finding tour.Just do an l lager review.I'll do a beer review of.I just I've got nothing. So I just really kind of dropped back and tried to find a scene, get outside, try to make a play, and I looked for the first down marker and they kind of stayed back and I said, all right, I'm going to turn this thing up and see how far I can get.And then I said, all right, well, I think they think I'm going down low. So I put the big old six inch vertical on them and went right over.Do you remember, like, being in air, being like, whoa.I do, because I got discombobulated, because I got spun around. And the one thing I do remember is I looked to our sideline and our whole sideline was going nuts. And so the adrenaline rush that came from that was. I still get chills when I was.One of the coolest plays ever.Yeah, a lot of people think it was for a touchdown, not it was just for a first down. We ended up scoring on that drive, but obviously with where that game ended up, it was a pivotal, pivotal play.You should get, like, you should get residual checks, too, because I feel like the NFL uses it in every highlight package for the next 20 years.That would be nice if they had those. Unfortunately, they don't have those yet.It was a great game. I remember those two Super Bowls and one of the key parts of your offensive line, good friend of ours, Mark Schlarith, comes on the show a lot. He was actually my little league baseball coach.Oh, really?Yes, because he was in DC, then he went out to Colorado. So you signed this. A good free agent guard coming out from Washington, Super bowl champion comes out there. You're probably excited to have a great player on your offensive line, but was there a small party that was like, why does this guy just piss on himself?Stinks.This guy just smells.I was just thrilled he wasn't a center. Yeah, because I'd had to put my hand underneath him. But, yeah, I mean, that was, that was, you know, that's probably why he got the name stink, too, because of the fact that, you know, he would do that. But, yeah, it was always amazing to me that he would. He would do that.Weirdest segue ever. But we're saying the word stink. I read that you also, the only sport you ever quit was wrestling in 8th grade, because you wrestled against a kid who smelled really bad.He smelled really bad.So how bad didWhen did that stop?That stopped the next year because it didn't work very good. We just get mad about it, so. And, you know, and then you got tv worrying about how much time they're taking because they want the game to fit in a three hour window. Right. So I remember standing in Kansas City one time for like three minutes just waiting for them to, you know, and soon as the referee says, be quiet, they're going. They get louder.Yeah.Right. So that was in, I think, for one year and then kind of got. Got out of that.So, yeah, that was quite a. Yeah. Big rule change.Yeah.I can't imagine that didn't work.I went back. So it was always, Kansas City was always a tough, tough place to go. It was always very loud, same as it is now.This might be a tough question, but how mad were you that you had to present the Lombardi trophy to the Chiefs this year?You know, I wasn't mad. The thing is, I really was pulling for Johnny lynch, who's a good buddy as a gym with the Niners. And then Kyle, obviously, was running around our practices all the time when he was younger and when Mike was with Broncos. And so, you know, just the infinity for those guys. And, you know, and they've been there, you know, before and lost one. And so I was really pulling for them. It was such a tight game. But, you know, you look at Kansas City, Andy Reed and Patrick. I think, you know, to me, Andy Reed is kind of one of the unsung heroes as far as a head coach, and the credit that he gets being a head coach because he's had a tremendous amount of success everywhere he's been. And I think we see that with Kansas City now, especially with Patrick and what he's done with Patrick. Yeah. Really taking advantage of what he does best.Yeah. It was a Raiders fans worst nightmare. It was in the Raiders stadium and it was the Chiefs, who they are rivals with. And then you were there. It was basically every, every bad thing that ever happened to the Raiders. Just all in one spot. Watch it all.Yeah, exactly.I mentioned you're a living legend, which you are. I think the craziest part is you are part of two of the most iconic moments, drive in football history that. So much so that they're just called the play and the drive. So I wanted to talk about both of them, the play, the band on the field. Have you gotten to a point now where you can be like, that actually was pretty funny.We're talking about the play, just Stanford, actually. People didn't realize it was my last college game, and a lot of people didn't realize even played in that Buffalo, you know, they opened it up and had that red gun, I think they call it. We're throwing it all over the place.We were a little bit with Dan, we were a little bit more conservative and run the ball and throw it when we needed to, but we were winning football games, and you can't argue when you're winning football games and then able to get to those three out of four years. We got to the Super Bowls and unfortunately didn't win them, but we're able.To get there in that draft. Obviously, the famous, you're going to maybe go play baseball if the Colts do take you, but if they decide to keep you, was there ever a moment that you were nervous that, like, maybe I'm bluffing? Like, because you, you love, you love football, and if they just say, hey, we're willing to burn a pick here, were you willing to be like, I'm done with football. I'm going to play baseball?Well, my plan was really to go play baseball for a year because I had signed with the Yankees after my sophomore year. During my junior and senior year, I played minor league baseball up in Oneonta, New York for the Yankees. And so I was in a contract with the Yankees. And so my plan was to go play baseball for a year, then my name would have gone back in the draft the next year.Got it right.So they lose. So the Colts would have lost the rights to me the next year. My name would have gone back into the draft. So that was the worst scenario. But I wanted to play football.Right.And, you know, and so I thought there was going to be a trade done before the draft. And, you know, I really thought I was going to the Raiders, really that night before it was through Chicago. And so, and then I think with Al Davis at the time was, I think sooner was in a lawsuit with, with the NFL, and him and Pete Rozelle didn't get along very well. So rumor has it that Pete kind of got involved, got to, got ahold of finks in, in Chicago and said, you can't let this go through. And then that trade fell through, and so then the Colts kind of got stuck and ended up taking me.And so, yeah, when they said your name did you know that you were like, they were already back channeling that you're, you're not going to be, or.Were you like, shit, they did take, no, we can't. I knew it by then.Right.It wasn't back then when we got drafted, we'd have, we'd go. We were done. We rented a suite with all the guys that were gonna get drafted and watched the draft and, you know, kind of all got together and did it that way. And so I was in constant contact with my agent all the time. And so I knew once we got close to the draft that the Colts were gonna take me.So.Yeah. And you turned out to be correct because they moved. The Colts moved, right.They moved the next year.So you were, you were kind of vindicated.That's what I kept trying to say. It's nothing against Baltimore. I had never been to Baltimore. It really was nothing against Baltimore, but.It was, the franchise was coming.Franchise where they were. And, you know, they'd drafted schliester a couple years before, and so it was just, you know, didn't feel like it was a great, and having the leverage with baseball, you know, and really, my dad was one that was, that led this whole charge. He was smart enough to do it at 22. I was not the one that was going to lead that charge, but he wanted to get me in a situation that was going to allow me, you know, to be the best player that I could be with a good organization that thought I had a chance with.And then years later, you get, you get Peyton Manning from the Colts to Denver, you're like, they must hate you in Indianapolis.Yeah. Well, fortunately that, yeah, they let him go, so they were more mad at the organization that allowed us to get him.Yeah.Was there ever any thought of playing both?No. No, I didn't. You know, I spent so much time at, you know, Athenae, and I was, I was a better football player than I was a baseball player just because of the, you know, the amount of time I spent at it. You know, I always went to college roommates. Both of them had really good major league careers, you know, so I think I could add a good major league career, but I don't know that it would have been at the level that I had with when playing football.Yeah. Because the story goes that George Steinbrenner said that he would, you were going to be the starting right fielder by like, 85, right?Yeah.And that's pretty cool.Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but like I said, I really wanted to play football. I loved playing the quarterback position and felt I was a better quarterback than I was an outfielder. And so.Well, thank you for playing football because it would have just wouldn't hit the same la, baseball player like for maybe guys our size was not a full lunch.That's not a full.Can't eat a lunchable for lunch.I never once had a lunch.Never launched. Never. That's all I get.Correct.That's like a warm up snack. You eat the lunchables and then you go to the bagel bites.Yeah, I'm sticking. Lunchable. I don't put, I'll even put the cheese and cracker in, in parentheses.But you should just get cheese and crackers because lunchables come with a drink.But like, the lunch, the lunchable ones.Are the, my qualm is not with withdeze. The fact that there's so many things in a lunchable. It's just the fact that we're taking lunch as a snack. It's funny, it's ridiculous, but we're gonna let Max do it.But lunchables, if it weren't for the name. It is the quintessential snack. Like, the name is what's. It's stopping it. Like, it's literally the sizes of snack. It's like you eat it after school.Wait, like you have, can a snack have a dessert?Do all lunchables have desserts?Yeah, I think they do.Yeah. I mean, well, half of mine are desserts anyway.No, but I mean, like, there's a dessert that goes along with his snack. There's like, after you're done with your.Snack, you know, what was the dessert in them?There's like, there do, there would be right here.We can't see it, Max.We can't see.Oh, shit.It was the Andes bar. The men, just like, they.There were ones that didn't have.Yeah, I used to not have one dessert. It would be like the meat and cheese and crackers.That was, that's it. That's that. That was it.Those are the ones I used to have also.I didn't know they put just the cheese. Just the meat, cheese and cracker.Yeah. This is what, this is the one I'm talking about. Pft. That's basically, that's a snack, but I.Think that's leaving out a part of the tray.No, it's not.Yeah, because there's usually. There was usually.Look at it.I think there was both. There was some that didn't have.lot of these were, like, the ideal snacks. Like, I would rarely have them in my own house, but every time, right. Somewhere else's, it would be like.Right.This is what I wanted as a kid.Yeah. This is what I wish my parents were.Yes.Yes.Yeah, that's his simple as, like, it gets as a kid. It's like. Like, do they allow toy guns? Can you watch tv and snacks? That's what I want my parents to be.What? Video game system.Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay, good. Mount Rushmore, boys. Okay, that is our show. Take ease. On Wednesday, we can't remember if we already taped numbers or not, so we're gonna do one right now. And if we did do it, you'll get two numbers this time.So, everyone be cool between now and Wednesday, because we will be ordering. We'll be. Will be awarding the AWL award.Yeah.To some podcast listeners so much. Like, right before Christmas, when you try to make your parents think that you're doing a lot of good stuff to get presents and toys. Just be cool this week, everyone.Compliments are fine.Everyone give memes a compliment.Yes, give everyone a compliment. Yeah, say something nice about all of us. But yeah, so if we have double numbers. You're not hallucinating. There'll just be another numbers with Max and Hank right after these. But let's try to get one of us to get it right now without Max here. So, numbers.8773-2099 pug.Actually, can I change mine?Yes.56.Yes.Yeah. 56.Would you rather have 20?No, I'll take 56.21. This officially counts. Even if we did other numbers, everyone agrees.Yes.Yes. Okay, counts. 71.Love you guys.Change his clothes. Yeah. You being this like a bitch. I know when you know they are no good for me. Cause you're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in and you're out. You're up and you're down. You're always. It's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break out, we kiss, we make out. You really wanna say no? You really wanna go yes. And you know you're in your out. You're up, in your down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in your out. You're up and you're down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in the. You cold? You're yes and you're no? You're in your out. You're acting your dad? You're wrong. When it's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break up, we kiss, we make up. You don't really want to say no. You don't really want to go. Call the doctor, got a case of kicking. Change your mind like a girl.Change your clothes.Cause you're hot and you cold? You're yes but you know you're in your house.

Reaper.

Yes.

Which it's about goddamn time, because it's such a good nickname. He had the slim reaper, he had the tarantula, and he was like, no, I want to be called the servant instead. Because he didn't feel he was worthy of the nickname. No, this is a slim reaper. We have slim Reaper, Kevin Durant in these Olympics.

Yes. And he. Yeah, he was. He was incredible. I mean, he does play well on super teams.

Yeah, it's true.

Fact.

It's true.

So, Hank, any other. Any other comments from vacation? Cause this had to have, you know, you're on vacation, you deserve your vacation to then see this happened. You're like, God damn it, I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna have to do, like, ten minutes of my job today. That's gotta be brutal.

Yeah, I did listen to the podcast earlier. Friday's podcast. I got 1 minute in before I turn it off.

So why. Why we say we were nice?

I think. I think you started by well again. Cuz it's like, I talked to guys behind the scenes. Oh, family's gonna.

Start of a vacation.

They're all gonna get together for the first time and I don't know how long. Do you mind if I take Wednesday off?

Like, yeah, the long.

No problem. Do what you gotta do.

Like, don't worry.

I listen to podcasts, and it's like, well, hanks on here. He fucking took a vacation.

I mean, the Lockwoods, to start their vacation on Wednesdays. Yeah.

Going even earlier.

Plan their vacation around the vacation you plan that you're not even taking.

You should have gone earlier, Hank. You should take in two weeks.

Yeah, I might just not. You know, I might just stay out here.

Well, the good news is, you are going to make it back next week for us to golf, which I didn't.

Plan, for the record.

Well, you did.

Well, I am planning it now.

But you set it all up. No, you said, do you want to play golf? And I said, sure.

Oh, on Friday.

Yeah.

I think you're talking about the great week.

Well, yeah, you. This is your.

You planned this vacation week, big cat.

I know. And I had circumstances that made me not take a vacation. I. But I planned this vacation week. Right.

And then I was like, hey. Like, I know we planned this vacation week. My family's That would be like having Aaron Rodgers.Yeah.Or Miss Hilarious cow gets to, like, the torch.Yeah. Very, very bizarre. I guess. I guess because he is, like, always wins the French open.Yeah, that's it. That's it.Yeah.He's french national hero.I guess he is kind of like part of french history.Yeah.Just wins the French Open. I think that maybe that's what it was like.Vietnam gets the Olympics. We have Sylvester Stallone.Yeah.The torch for his work in Rambo.Yeah, that's. It was, Yankees game this weekend.No.The dude jumped into the stands, caught the ball, and as he's falling, the right fielder, as he's falling into the crowd. He bumps his glove on a Yankee fan. The ball drops and it's a home run. Who is fucking wild?That is wild. Have the Mets done anything? Memes?The Mets trade for Jesse Winker.Okay.From the nationals. And then they also got a pitcher.Who got lit up today, Ryan Stanek. Yeah, yeah, yeah.Awesome. Riley pimped one.Yeah. And I think the, oh, Max had his moment where he thought he was getting Mike Trout, which was fun.Yeah.If Phillies Jeff Passon tweeted that the Phillies traded, like, their top two prospects to the Angels for help and it was, I think, just a picture they got.Yeah, it's Mike trout. I don't know if he would want to play in Philly. I little fact finding tour.Just do an l lager review.I'll do a beer review of.I just I've got nothing. So I just really kind of dropped back and tried to find a scene, get outside, try to make a play, and I looked for the first down marker and they kind of stayed back and I said, all right, I'm going to turn this thing up and see how far I can get.And then I said, all right, well, I think they think I'm going down low. So I put the big old six inch vertical on them and went right over.Do you remember, like, being in air, being like, whoa.I do, because I got discombobulated, because I got spun around. And the one thing I do remember is I looked to our sideline and our whole sideline was going nuts. And so the adrenaline rush that came from that was. I still get chills when I was.One of the coolest plays ever.Yeah, a lot of people think it was for a touchdown, not it was just for a first down. We ended up scoring on that drive, but obviously with where that game ended up, it was a pivotal, pivotal play.You should get, like, you should get residual checks, too, because I feel like the NFL uses it in every highlight package for the next 20 years.That would be nice if they had those. Unfortunately, they don't have those yet.It was a great game. I remember those two Super Bowls and one of the key parts of your offensive line, good friend of ours, Mark Schlarith, comes on the show a lot. He was actually my little league baseball coach.Oh, really?Yes, because he was in DC, then he went out to Colorado. So you signed this. A good free agent guard coming out from Washington, Super bowl champion comes out there. You're probably excited to have a great player on your offensive line, but was there a small party that was like, why does this guy just piss on himself?Stinks.This guy just smells.I was just thrilled he wasn't a center. Yeah, because I'd had to put my hand underneath him. But, yeah, I mean, that was, that was, you know, that's probably why he got the name stink, too, because of the fact that, you know, he would do that. But, yeah, it was always amazing to me that he would. He would do that.Weirdest segue ever. But we're saying the word stink. I read that you also, the only sport you ever quit was wrestling in 8th grade, because you wrestled against a kid who smelled really bad.He smelled really bad.So how bad didWhen did that stop?That stopped the next year because it didn't work very good. We just get mad about it, so. And, you know, and then you got tv worrying about how much time they're taking because they want the game to fit in a three hour window. Right. So I remember standing in Kansas City one time for like three minutes just waiting for them to, you know, and soon as the referee says, be quiet, they're going. They get louder.Yeah.Right. So that was in, I think, for one year and then kind of got. Got out of that.So, yeah, that was quite a. Yeah. Big rule change.Yeah.I can't imagine that didn't work.I went back. So it was always, Kansas City was always a tough, tough place to go. It was always very loud, same as it is now.This might be a tough question, but how mad were you that you had to present the Lombardi trophy to the Chiefs this year?You know, I wasn't mad. The thing is, I really was pulling for Johnny lynch, who's a good buddy as a gym with the Niners. And then Kyle, obviously, was running around our practices all the time when he was younger and when Mike was with Broncos. And so, you know, just the infinity for those guys. And, you know, and they've been there, you know, before and lost one. And so I was really pulling for them. It was such a tight game. But, you know, you look at Kansas City, Andy Reed and Patrick. I think, you know, to me, Andy Reed is kind of one of the unsung heroes as far as a head coach, and the credit that he gets being a head coach because he's had a tremendous amount of success everywhere he's been. And I think we see that with Kansas City now, especially with Patrick and what he's done with Patrick. Yeah. Really taking advantage of what he does best.Yeah. It was a Raiders fans worst nightmare. It was in the Raiders stadium and it was the Chiefs, who they are rivals with. And then you were there. It was basically every, every bad thing that ever happened to the Raiders. Just all in one spot. Watch it all.Yeah, exactly.I mentioned you're a living legend, which you are. I think the craziest part is you are part of two of the most iconic moments, drive in football history that. So much so that they're just called the play and the drive. So I wanted to talk about both of them, the play, the band on the field. Have you gotten to a point now where you can be like, that actually was pretty funny.We're talking about the play, just Stanford, actually. People didn't realize it was my last college game, and a lot of people didn't realize even played in that Buffalo, you know, they opened it up and had that red gun, I think they call it. We're throwing it all over the place.We were a little bit with Dan, we were a little bit more conservative and run the ball and throw it when we needed to, but we were winning football games, and you can't argue when you're winning football games and then able to get to those three out of four years. We got to the Super Bowls and unfortunately didn't win them, but we're able.To get there in that draft. Obviously, the famous, you're going to maybe go play baseball if the Colts do take you, but if they decide to keep you, was there ever a moment that you were nervous that, like, maybe I'm bluffing? Like, because you, you love, you love football, and if they just say, hey, we're willing to burn a pick here, were you willing to be like, I'm done with football. I'm going to play baseball?Well, my plan was really to go play baseball for a year because I had signed with the Yankees after my sophomore year. During my junior and senior year, I played minor league baseball up in Oneonta, New York for the Yankees. And so I was in a contract with the Yankees. And so my plan was to go play baseball for a year, then my name would have gone back in the draft the next year.Got it right.So they lose. So the Colts would have lost the rights to me the next year. My name would have gone back into the draft. So that was the worst scenario. But I wanted to play football.Right.And, you know, and so I thought there was going to be a trade done before the draft. And, you know, I really thought I was going to the Raiders, really that night before it was through Chicago. And so, and then I think with Al Davis at the time was, I think sooner was in a lawsuit with, with the NFL, and him and Pete Rozelle didn't get along very well. So rumor has it that Pete kind of got involved, got to, got ahold of finks in, in Chicago and said, you can't let this go through. And then that trade fell through, and so then the Colts kind of got stuck and ended up taking me.And so, yeah, when they said your name did you know that you were like, they were already back channeling that you're, you're not going to be, or.Were you like, shit, they did take, no, we can't. I knew it by then.Right.It wasn't back then when we got drafted, we'd have, we'd go. We were done. We rented a suite with all the guys that were gonna get drafted and watched the draft and, you know, kind of all got together and did it that way. And so I was in constant contact with my agent all the time. And so I knew once we got close to the draft that the Colts were gonna take me.So.Yeah. And you turned out to be correct because they moved. The Colts moved, right.They moved the next year.So you were, you were kind of vindicated.That's what I kept trying to say. It's nothing against Baltimore. I had never been to Baltimore. It really was nothing against Baltimore, but.It was, the franchise was coming.Franchise where they were. And, you know, they'd drafted schliester a couple years before, and so it was just, you know, didn't feel like it was a great, and having the leverage with baseball, you know, and really, my dad was one that was, that led this whole charge. He was smart enough to do it at 22. I was not the one that was going to lead that charge, but he wanted to get me in a situation that was going to allow me, you know, to be the best player that I could be with a good organization that thought I had a chance with.And then years later, you get, you get Peyton Manning from the Colts to Denver, you're like, they must hate you in Indianapolis.Yeah. Well, fortunately that, yeah, they let him go, so they were more mad at the organization that allowed us to get him.Yeah.Was there ever any thought of playing both?No. No, I didn't. You know, I spent so much time at, you know, Athenae, and I was, I was a better football player than I was a baseball player just because of the, you know, the amount of time I spent at it. You know, I always went to college roommates. Both of them had really good major league careers, you know, so I think I could add a good major league career, but I don't know that it would have been at the level that I had with when playing football.Yeah. Because the story goes that George Steinbrenner said that he would, you were going to be the starting right fielder by like, 85, right?Yeah.And that's pretty cool.Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but like I said, I really wanted to play football. I loved playing the quarterback position and felt I was a better quarterback than I was an outfielder. And so.Well, thank you for playing football because it would have just wouldn't hit the same la, baseball player like for maybe guys our size was not a full lunch.That's not a full.Can't eat a lunchable for lunch.I never once had a lunch.Never launched. Never. That's all I get.Correct.That's like a warm up snack. You eat the lunchables and then you go to the bagel bites.Yeah, I'm sticking. Lunchable. I don't put, I'll even put the cheese and cracker in, in parentheses.But you should just get cheese and crackers because lunchables come with a drink.But like, the lunch, the lunchable ones.Are the, my qualm is not with withdeze. The fact that there's so many things in a lunchable. It's just the fact that we're taking lunch as a snack. It's funny, it's ridiculous, but we're gonna let Max do it.But lunchables, if it weren't for the name. It is the quintessential snack. Like, the name is what's. It's stopping it. Like, it's literally the sizes of snack. It's like you eat it after school.Wait, like you have, can a snack have a dessert?Do all lunchables have desserts?Yeah, I think they do.Yeah. I mean, well, half of mine are desserts anyway.No, but I mean, like, there's a dessert that goes along with his snack. There's like, after you're done with your.Snack, you know, what was the dessert in them?There's like, there do, there would be right here.We can't see it, Max.We can't see.Oh, shit.It was the Andes bar. The men, just like, they.There were ones that didn't have.Yeah, I used to not have one dessert. It would be like the meat and cheese and crackers.That was, that's it. That's that. That was it.Those are the ones I used to have also.I didn't know they put just the cheese. Just the meat, cheese and cracker.Yeah. This is what, this is the one I'm talking about. Pft. That's basically, that's a snack, but I.Think that's leaving out a part of the tray.No, it's not.Yeah, because there's usually. There was usually.Look at it.I think there was both. There was some that didn't have.lot of these were, like, the ideal snacks. Like, I would rarely have them in my own house, but every time, right. Somewhere else's, it would be like.Right.This is what I wanted as a kid.Yeah. This is what I wish my parents were.Yes.Yes.Yeah, that's his simple as, like, it gets as a kid. It's like. Like, do they allow toy guns? Can you watch tv and snacks? That's what I want my parents to be.What? Video game system.Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay, good. Mount Rushmore, boys. Okay, that is our show. Take ease. On Wednesday, we can't remember if we already taped numbers or not, so we're gonna do one right now. And if we did do it, you'll get two numbers this time.So, everyone be cool between now and Wednesday, because we will be ordering. We'll be. Will be awarding the AWL award.Yeah.To some podcast listeners so much. Like, right before Christmas, when you try to make your parents think that you're doing a lot of good stuff to get presents and toys. Just be cool this week, everyone.Compliments are fine.Everyone give memes a compliment.Yes, give everyone a compliment. Yeah, say something nice about all of us. But yeah, so if we have double numbers. You're not hallucinating. There'll just be another numbers with Max and Hank right after these. But let's try to get one of us to get it right now without Max here. So, numbers.8773-2099 pug.Actually, can I change mine?Yes.56.Yes.Yeah. 56.Would you rather have 20?No, I'll take 56.21. This officially counts. Even if we did other numbers, everyone agrees.Yes.Yes. Okay, counts. 71.Love you guys.Change his clothes. Yeah. You being this like a bitch. I know when you know they are no good for me. Cause you're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in and you're out. You're up and you're down. You're always. It's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break out, we kiss, we make out. You really wanna say no? You really wanna go yes. And you know you're in your out. You're up, in your down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in your out. You're up and you're down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in the. You cold? You're yes and you're no? You're in your out. You're acting your dad? You're wrong. When it's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break up, we kiss, we make up. You don't really want to say no. You don't really want to go. Call the doctor, got a case of kicking. Change your mind like a girl.Change your clothes.Cause you're hot and you cold? You're yes but you know you're in your house.

That would be like having Aaron Rodgers.

Yeah.

Or Miss Hilarious cow gets to, like, the torch.

Yeah. Very, very bizarre. I guess. I guess because he is, like, always wins the French open.

Yeah, that's it. That's it.

Yeah.

He's french national hero.

I guess he is kind of like part of french history.

Yeah.

Just wins the French Open. I think that maybe that's what it was like.

Vietnam gets the Olympics. We have Sylvester Stallone.

Yeah.

The torch for his work in Rambo.

Yeah, that's. It was, Yankees game this weekend.No.The dude jumped into the stands, caught the ball, and as he's falling, the right fielder, as he's falling into the crowd. He bumps his glove on a Yankee fan. The ball drops and it's a home run. Who is fucking wild?That is wild. Have the Mets done anything? Memes?The Mets trade for Jesse Winker.Okay.From the nationals. And then they also got a pitcher.Who got lit up today, Ryan Stanek. Yeah, yeah, yeah.Awesome. Riley pimped one.Yeah. And I think the, oh, Max had his moment where he thought he was getting Mike Trout, which was fun.Yeah.If Phillies Jeff Passon tweeted that the Phillies traded, like, their top two prospects to the Angels for help and it was, I think, just a picture they got.Yeah, it's Mike trout. I don't know if he would want to play in Philly. I little fact finding tour.Just do an l lager review.I'll do a beer review of.I just I've got nothing. So I just really kind of dropped back and tried to find a scene, get outside, try to make a play, and I looked for the first down marker and they kind of stayed back and I said, all right, I'm going to turn this thing up and see how far I can get.And then I said, all right, well, I think they think I'm going down low. So I put the big old six inch vertical on them and went right over.Do you remember, like, being in air, being like, whoa.I do, because I got discombobulated, because I got spun around. And the one thing I do remember is I looked to our sideline and our whole sideline was going nuts. And so the adrenaline rush that came from that was. I still get chills when I was.One of the coolest plays ever.Yeah, a lot of people think it was for a touchdown, not it was just for a first down. We ended up scoring on that drive, but obviously with where that game ended up, it was a pivotal, pivotal play.You should get, like, you should get residual checks, too, because I feel like the NFL uses it in every highlight package for the next 20 years.That would be nice if they had those. Unfortunately, they don't have those yet.It was a great game. I remember those two Super Bowls and one of the key parts of your offensive line, good friend of ours, Mark Schlarith, comes on the show a lot. He was actually my little league baseball coach.Oh, really?Yes, because he was in DC, then he went out to Colorado. So you signed this. A good free agent guard coming out from Washington, Super bowl champion comes out there. You're probably excited to have a great player on your offensive line, but was there a small party that was like, why does this guy just piss on himself?Stinks.This guy just smells.I was just thrilled he wasn't a center. Yeah, because I'd had to put my hand underneath him. But, yeah, I mean, that was, that was, you know, that's probably why he got the name stink, too, because of the fact that, you know, he would do that. But, yeah, it was always amazing to me that he would. He would do that.Weirdest segue ever. But we're saying the word stink. I read that you also, the only sport you ever quit was wrestling in 8th grade, because you wrestled against a kid who smelled really bad.He smelled really bad.So how bad didWhen did that stop?That stopped the next year because it didn't work very good. We just get mad about it, so. And, you know, and then you got tv worrying about how much time they're taking because they want the game to fit in a three hour window. Right. So I remember standing in Kansas City one time for like three minutes just waiting for them to, you know, and soon as the referee says, be quiet, they're going. They get louder.Yeah.Right. So that was in, I think, for one year and then kind of got. Got out of that.So, yeah, that was quite a. Yeah. Big rule change.Yeah.I can't imagine that didn't work.I went back. So it was always, Kansas City was always a tough, tough place to go. It was always very loud, same as it is now.This might be a tough question, but how mad were you that you had to present the Lombardi trophy to the Chiefs this year?You know, I wasn't mad. The thing is, I really was pulling for Johnny lynch, who's a good buddy as a gym with the Niners. And then Kyle, obviously, was running around our practices all the time when he was younger and when Mike was with Broncos. And so, you know, just the infinity for those guys. And, you know, and they've been there, you know, before and lost one. And so I was really pulling for them. It was such a tight game. But, you know, you look at Kansas City, Andy Reed and Patrick. I think, you know, to me, Andy Reed is kind of one of the unsung heroes as far as a head coach, and the credit that he gets being a head coach because he's had a tremendous amount of success everywhere he's been. And I think we see that with Kansas City now, especially with Patrick and what he's done with Patrick. Yeah. Really taking advantage of what he does best.Yeah. It was a Raiders fans worst nightmare. It was in the Raiders stadium and it was the Chiefs, who they are rivals with. And then you were there. It was basically every, every bad thing that ever happened to the Raiders. Just all in one spot. Watch it all.Yeah, exactly.I mentioned you're a living legend, which you are. I think the craziest part is you are part of two of the most iconic moments, drive in football history that. So much so that they're just called the play and the drive. So I wanted to talk about both of them, the play, the band on the field. Have you gotten to a point now where you can be like, that actually was pretty funny.We're talking about the play, just Stanford, actually. People didn't realize it was my last college game, and a lot of people didn't realize even played in that Buffalo, you know, they opened it up and had that red gun, I think they call it. We're throwing it all over the place.We were a little bit with Dan, we were a little bit more conservative and run the ball and throw it when we needed to, but we were winning football games, and you can't argue when you're winning football games and then able to get to those three out of four years. We got to the Super Bowls and unfortunately didn't win them, but we're able.To get there in that draft. Obviously, the famous, you're going to maybe go play baseball if the Colts do take you, but if they decide to keep you, was there ever a moment that you were nervous that, like, maybe I'm bluffing? Like, because you, you love, you love football, and if they just say, hey, we're willing to burn a pick here, were you willing to be like, I'm done with football. I'm going to play baseball?Well, my plan was really to go play baseball for a year because I had signed with the Yankees after my sophomore year. During my junior and senior year, I played minor league baseball up in Oneonta, New York for the Yankees. And so I was in a contract with the Yankees. And so my plan was to go play baseball for a year, then my name would have gone back in the draft the next year.Got it right.So they lose. So the Colts would have lost the rights to me the next year. My name would have gone back into the draft. So that was the worst scenario. But I wanted to play football.Right.And, you know, and so I thought there was going to be a trade done before the draft. And, you know, I really thought I was going to the Raiders, really that night before it was through Chicago. And so, and then I think with Al Davis at the time was, I think sooner was in a lawsuit with, with the NFL, and him and Pete Rozelle didn't get along very well. So rumor has it that Pete kind of got involved, got to, got ahold of finks in, in Chicago and said, you can't let this go through. And then that trade fell through, and so then the Colts kind of got stuck and ended up taking me.And so, yeah, when they said your name did you know that you were like, they were already back channeling that you're, you're not going to be, or.Were you like, shit, they did take, no, we can't. I knew it by then.Right.It wasn't back then when we got drafted, we'd have, we'd go. We were done. We rented a suite with all the guys that were gonna get drafted and watched the draft and, you know, kind of all got together and did it that way. And so I was in constant contact with my agent all the time. And so I knew once we got close to the draft that the Colts were gonna take me.So.Yeah. And you turned out to be correct because they moved. The Colts moved, right.They moved the next year.So you were, you were kind of vindicated.That's what I kept trying to say. It's nothing against Baltimore. I had never been to Baltimore. It really was nothing against Baltimore, but.It was, the franchise was coming.Franchise where they were. And, you know, they'd drafted schliester a couple years before, and so it was just, you know, didn't feel like it was a great, and having the leverage with baseball, you know, and really, my dad was one that was, that led this whole charge. He was smart enough to do it at 22. I was not the one that was going to lead that charge, but he wanted to get me in a situation that was going to allow me, you know, to be the best player that I could be with a good organization that thought I had a chance with.And then years later, you get, you get Peyton Manning from the Colts to Denver, you're like, they must hate you in Indianapolis.Yeah. Well, fortunately that, yeah, they let him go, so they were more mad at the organization that allowed us to get him.Yeah.Was there ever any thought of playing both?No. No, I didn't. You know, I spent so much time at, you know, Athenae, and I was, I was a better football player than I was a baseball player just because of the, you know, the amount of time I spent at it. You know, I always went to college roommates. Both of them had really good major league careers, you know, so I think I could add a good major league career, but I don't know that it would have been at the level that I had with when playing football.Yeah. Because the story goes that George Steinbrenner said that he would, you were going to be the starting right fielder by like, 85, right?Yeah.And that's pretty cool.Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but like I said, I really wanted to play football. I loved playing the quarterback position and felt I was a better quarterback than I was an outfielder. And so.Well, thank you for playing football because it would have just wouldn't hit the same la, baseball player like for maybe guys our size was not a full lunch.That's not a full.Can't eat a lunchable for lunch.I never once had a lunch.Never launched. Never. That's all I get.Correct.That's like a warm up snack. You eat the lunchables and then you go to the bagel bites.Yeah, I'm sticking. Lunchable. I don't put, I'll even put the cheese and cracker in, in parentheses.But you should just get cheese and crackers because lunchables come with a drink.But like, the lunch, the lunchable ones.Are the, my qualm is not with withdeze. The fact that there's so many things in a lunchable. It's just the fact that we're taking lunch as a snack. It's funny, it's ridiculous, but we're gonna let Max do it.But lunchables, if it weren't for the name. It is the quintessential snack. Like, the name is what's. It's stopping it. Like, it's literally the sizes of snack. It's like you eat it after school.Wait, like you have, can a snack have a dessert?Do all lunchables have desserts?Yeah, I think they do.Yeah. I mean, well, half of mine are desserts anyway.No, but I mean, like, there's a dessert that goes along with his snack. There's like, after you're done with your.Snack, you know, what was the dessert in them?There's like, there do, there would be right here.We can't see it, Max.We can't see.Oh, shit.It was the Andes bar. The men, just like, they.There were ones that didn't have.Yeah, I used to not have one dessert. It would be like the meat and cheese and crackers.That was, that's it. That's that. That was it.Those are the ones I used to have also.I didn't know they put just the cheese. Just the meat, cheese and cracker.Yeah. This is what, this is the one I'm talking about. Pft. That's basically, that's a snack, but I.Think that's leaving out a part of the tray.No, it's not.Yeah, because there's usually. There was usually.Look at it.I think there was both. There was some that didn't have.lot of these were, like, the ideal snacks. Like, I would rarely have them in my own house, but every time, right. Somewhere else's, it would be like.Right.This is what I wanted as a kid.Yeah. This is what I wish my parents were.Yes.Yes.Yeah, that's his simple as, like, it gets as a kid. It's like. Like, do they allow toy guns? Can you watch tv and snacks? That's what I want my parents to be.What? Video game system.Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay, good. Mount Rushmore, boys. Okay, that is our show. Take ease. On Wednesday, we can't remember if we already taped numbers or not, so we're gonna do one right now. And if we did do it, you'll get two numbers this time.So, everyone be cool between now and Wednesday, because we will be ordering. We'll be. Will be awarding the AWL award.Yeah.To some podcast listeners so much. Like, right before Christmas, when you try to make your parents think that you're doing a lot of good stuff to get presents and toys. Just be cool this week, everyone.Compliments are fine.Everyone give memes a compliment.Yes, give everyone a compliment. Yeah, say something nice about all of us. But yeah, so if we have double numbers. You're not hallucinating. There'll just be another numbers with Max and Hank right after these. But let's try to get one of us to get it right now without Max here. So, numbers.8773-2099 pug.Actually, can I change mine?Yes.56.Yes.Yeah. 56.Would you rather have 20?No, I'll take 56.21. This officially counts. Even if we did other numbers, everyone agrees.Yes.Yes. Okay, counts. 71.Love you guys.Change his clothes. Yeah. You being this like a bitch. I know when you know they are no good for me. Cause you're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in and you're out. You're up and you're down. You're always. It's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break out, we kiss, we make out. You really wanna say no? You really wanna go yes. And you know you're in your out. You're up, in your down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in your out. You're up and you're down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in the. You cold? You're yes and you're no? You're in your out. You're acting your dad? You're wrong. When it's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break up, we kiss, we make up. You don't really want to say no. You don't really want to go. Call the doctor, got a case of kicking. Change your mind like a girl.Change your clothes.Cause you're hot and you cold? You're yes but you know you're in your house.

Yankees game this weekend.

No.

The dude jumped into the stands, caught the ball, and as he's falling, the right fielder, as he's falling into the crowd. He bumps his glove on a Yankee fan. The ball drops and it's a home run. Who is fucking wild?

That is wild. Have the Mets done anything? Memes?

The Mets trade for Jesse Winker.

Okay.

From the nationals. And then they also got a pitcher.

Who got lit up today, Ryan Stanek. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Awesome. Riley pimped one.

Yeah. And I think the, oh, Max had his moment where he thought he was getting Mike Trout, which was fun.

Yeah.

If Phillies Jeff Passon tweeted that the Phillies traded, like, their top two prospects to the Angels for help and it was, I think, just a picture they got.

Yeah, it's Mike trout. I don't know if he would want to play in Philly. I little fact finding tour.Just do an l lager review.I'll do a beer review of.I just I've got nothing. So I just really kind of dropped back and tried to find a scene, get outside, try to make a play, and I looked for the first down marker and they kind of stayed back and I said, all right, I'm going to turn this thing up and see how far I can get.And then I said, all right, well, I think they think I'm going down low. So I put the big old six inch vertical on them and went right over.Do you remember, like, being in air, being like, whoa.I do, because I got discombobulated, because I got spun around. And the one thing I do remember is I looked to our sideline and our whole sideline was going nuts. And so the adrenaline rush that came from that was. I still get chills when I was.One of the coolest plays ever.Yeah, a lot of people think it was for a touchdown, not it was just for a first down. We ended up scoring on that drive, but obviously with where that game ended up, it was a pivotal, pivotal play.You should get, like, you should get residual checks, too, because I feel like the NFL uses it in every highlight package for the next 20 years.That would be nice if they had those. Unfortunately, they don't have those yet.It was a great game. I remember those two Super Bowls and one of the key parts of your offensive line, good friend of ours, Mark Schlarith, comes on the show a lot. He was actually my little league baseball coach.Oh, really?Yes, because he was in DC, then he went out to Colorado. So you signed this. A good free agent guard coming out from Washington, Super bowl champion comes out there. You're probably excited to have a great player on your offensive line, but was there a small party that was like, why does this guy just piss on himself?Stinks.This guy just smells.I was just thrilled he wasn't a center. Yeah, because I'd had to put my hand underneath him. But, yeah, I mean, that was, that was, you know, that's probably why he got the name stink, too, because of the fact that, you know, he would do that. But, yeah, it was always amazing to me that he would. He would do that.Weirdest segue ever. But we're saying the word stink. I read that you also, the only sport you ever quit was wrestling in 8th grade, because you wrestled against a kid who smelled really bad.He smelled really bad.So how bad didWhen did that stop?That stopped the next year because it didn't work very good. We just get mad about it, so. And, you know, and then you got tv worrying about how much time they're taking because they want the game to fit in a three hour window. Right. So I remember standing in Kansas City one time for like three minutes just waiting for them to, you know, and soon as the referee says, be quiet, they're going. They get louder.Yeah.Right. So that was in, I think, for one year and then kind of got. Got out of that.So, yeah, that was quite a. Yeah. Big rule change.Yeah.I can't imagine that didn't work.I went back. So it was always, Kansas City was always a tough, tough place to go. It was always very loud, same as it is now.This might be a tough question, but how mad were you that you had to present the Lombardi trophy to the Chiefs this year?You know, I wasn't mad. The thing is, I really was pulling for Johnny lynch, who's a good buddy as a gym with the Niners. And then Kyle, obviously, was running around our practices all the time when he was younger and when Mike was with Broncos. And so, you know, just the infinity for those guys. And, you know, and they've been there, you know, before and lost one. And so I was really pulling for them. It was such a tight game. But, you know, you look at Kansas City, Andy Reed and Patrick. I think, you know, to me, Andy Reed is kind of one of the unsung heroes as far as a head coach, and the credit that he gets being a head coach because he's had a tremendous amount of success everywhere he's been. And I think we see that with Kansas City now, especially with Patrick and what he's done with Patrick. Yeah. Really taking advantage of what he does best.Yeah. It was a Raiders fans worst nightmare. It was in the Raiders stadium and it was the Chiefs, who they are rivals with. And then you were there. It was basically every, every bad thing that ever happened to the Raiders. Just all in one spot. Watch it all.Yeah, exactly.I mentioned you're a living legend, which you are. I think the craziest part is you are part of two of the most iconic moments, drive in football history that. So much so that they're just called the play and the drive. So I wanted to talk about both of them, the play, the band on the field. Have you gotten to a point now where you can be like, that actually was pretty funny.We're talking about the play, just Stanford, actually. People didn't realize it was my last college game, and a lot of people didn't realize even played in that Buffalo, you know, they opened it up and had that red gun, I think they call it. We're throwing it all over the place.We were a little bit with Dan, we were a little bit more conservative and run the ball and throw it when we needed to, but we were winning football games, and you can't argue when you're winning football games and then able to get to those three out of four years. We got to the Super Bowls and unfortunately didn't win them, but we're able.To get there in that draft. Obviously, the famous, you're going to maybe go play baseball if the Colts do take you, but if they decide to keep you, was there ever a moment that you were nervous that, like, maybe I'm bluffing? Like, because you, you love, you love football, and if they just say, hey, we're willing to burn a pick here, were you willing to be like, I'm done with football. I'm going to play baseball?Well, my plan was really to go play baseball for a year because I had signed with the Yankees after my sophomore year. During my junior and senior year, I played minor league baseball up in Oneonta, New York for the Yankees. And so I was in a contract with the Yankees. And so my plan was to go play baseball for a year, then my name would have gone back in the draft the next year.Got it right.So they lose. So the Colts would have lost the rights to me the next year. My name would have gone back into the draft. So that was the worst scenario. But I wanted to play football.Right.And, you know, and so I thought there was going to be a trade done before the draft. And, you know, I really thought I was going to the Raiders, really that night before it was through Chicago. And so, and then I think with Al Davis at the time was, I think sooner was in a lawsuit with, with the NFL, and him and Pete Rozelle didn't get along very well. So rumor has it that Pete kind of got involved, got to, got ahold of finks in, in Chicago and said, you can't let this go through. And then that trade fell through, and so then the Colts kind of got stuck and ended up taking me.And so, yeah, when they said your name did you know that you were like, they were already back channeling that you're, you're not going to be, or.Were you like, shit, they did take, no, we can't. I knew it by then.Right.It wasn't back then when we got drafted, we'd have, we'd go. We were done. We rented a suite with all the guys that were gonna get drafted and watched the draft and, you know, kind of all got together and did it that way. And so I was in constant contact with my agent all the time. And so I knew once we got close to the draft that the Colts were gonna take me.So.Yeah. And you turned out to be correct because they moved. The Colts moved, right.They moved the next year.So you were, you were kind of vindicated.That's what I kept trying to say. It's nothing against Baltimore. I had never been to Baltimore. It really was nothing against Baltimore, but.It was, the franchise was coming.Franchise where they were. And, you know, they'd drafted schliester a couple years before, and so it was just, you know, didn't feel like it was a great, and having the leverage with baseball, you know, and really, my dad was one that was, that led this whole charge. He was smart enough to do it at 22. I was not the one that was going to lead that charge, but he wanted to get me in a situation that was going to allow me, you know, to be the best player that I could be with a good organization that thought I had a chance with.And then years later, you get, you get Peyton Manning from the Colts to Denver, you're like, they must hate you in Indianapolis.Yeah. Well, fortunately that, yeah, they let him go, so they were more mad at the organization that allowed us to get him.Yeah.Was there ever any thought of playing both?No. No, I didn't. You know, I spent so much time at, you know, Athenae, and I was, I was a better football player than I was a baseball player just because of the, you know, the amount of time I spent at it. You know, I always went to college roommates. Both of them had really good major league careers, you know, so I think I could add a good major league career, but I don't know that it would have been at the level that I had with when playing football.Yeah. Because the story goes that George Steinbrenner said that he would, you were going to be the starting right fielder by like, 85, right?Yeah.And that's pretty cool.Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but like I said, I really wanted to play football. I loved playing the quarterback position and felt I was a better quarterback than I was an outfielder. And so.Well, thank you for playing football because it would have just wouldn't hit the same la, baseball player like for maybe guys our size was not a full lunch.That's not a full.Can't eat a lunchable for lunch.I never once had a lunch.Never launched. Never. That's all I get.Correct.That's like a warm up snack. You eat the lunchables and then you go to the bagel bites.Yeah, I'm sticking. Lunchable. I don't put, I'll even put the cheese and cracker in, in parentheses.But you should just get cheese and crackers because lunchables come with a drink.But like, the lunch, the lunchable ones.Are the, my qualm is not with withdeze. The fact that there's so many things in a lunchable. It's just the fact that we're taking lunch as a snack. It's funny, it's ridiculous, but we're gonna let Max do it.But lunchables, if it weren't for the name. It is the quintessential snack. Like, the name is what's. It's stopping it. Like, it's literally the sizes of snack. It's like you eat it after school.Wait, like you have, can a snack have a dessert?Do all lunchables have desserts?Yeah, I think they do.Yeah. I mean, well, half of mine are desserts anyway.No, but I mean, like, there's a dessert that goes along with his snack. There's like, after you're done with your.Snack, you know, what was the dessert in them?There's like, there do, there would be right here.We can't see it, Max.We can't see.Oh, shit.It was the Andes bar. The men, just like, they.There were ones that didn't have.Yeah, I used to not have one dessert. It would be like the meat and cheese and crackers.That was, that's it. That's that. That was it.Those are the ones I used to have also.I didn't know they put just the cheese. Just the meat, cheese and cracker.Yeah. This is what, this is the one I'm talking about. Pft. That's basically, that's a snack, but I.Think that's leaving out a part of the tray.No, it's not.Yeah, because there's usually. There was usually.Look at it.I think there was both. There was some that didn't have.lot of these were, like, the ideal snacks. Like, I would rarely have them in my own house, but every time, right. Somewhere else's, it would be like.Right.This is what I wanted as a kid.Yeah. This is what I wish my parents were.Yes.Yes.Yeah, that's his simple as, like, it gets as a kid. It's like. Like, do they allow toy guns? Can you watch tv and snacks? That's what I want my parents to be.What? Video game system.Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay, good. Mount Rushmore, boys. Okay, that is our show. Take ease. On Wednesday, we can't remember if we already taped numbers or not, so we're gonna do one right now. And if we did do it, you'll get two numbers this time.So, everyone be cool between now and Wednesday, because we will be ordering. We'll be. Will be awarding the AWL award.Yeah.To some podcast listeners so much. Like, right before Christmas, when you try to make your parents think that you're doing a lot of good stuff to get presents and toys. Just be cool this week, everyone.Compliments are fine.Everyone give memes a compliment.Yes, give everyone a compliment. Yeah, say something nice about all of us. But yeah, so if we have double numbers. You're not hallucinating. There'll just be another numbers with Max and Hank right after these. But let's try to get one of us to get it right now without Max here. So, numbers.8773-2099 pug.Actually, can I change mine?Yes.56.Yes.Yeah. 56.Would you rather have 20?No, I'll take 56.21. This officially counts. Even if we did other numbers, everyone agrees.Yes.Yes. Okay, counts. 71.Love you guys.Change his clothes. Yeah. You being this like a bitch. I know when you know they are no good for me. Cause you're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in and you're out. You're up and you're down. You're always. It's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break out, we kiss, we make out. You really wanna say no? You really wanna go yes. And you know you're in your out. You're up, in your down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in your out. You're up and you're down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in the. You cold? You're yes and you're no? You're in your out. You're acting your dad? You're wrong. When it's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break up, we kiss, we make up. You don't really want to say no. You don't really want to go. Call the doctor, got a case of kicking. Change your mind like a girl.Change your clothes.Cause you're hot and you cold? You're yes but you know you're in your house.

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I just I've got nothing. So I just really kind of dropped back and tried to find a scene, get outside, try to make a play, and I looked for the first down marker and they kind of stayed back and I said, all right, I'm going to turn this thing up and see how far I can get.And then I said, all right, well, I think they think I'm going down low. So I put the big old six inch vertical on them and went right over.Do you remember, like, being in air, being like, whoa.I do, because I got discombobulated, because I got spun around. And the one thing I do remember is I looked to our sideline and our whole sideline was going nuts. And so the adrenaline rush that came from that was. I still get chills when I was.One of the coolest plays ever.Yeah, a lot of people think it was for a touchdown, not it was just for a first down. We ended up scoring on that drive, but obviously with where that game ended up, it was a pivotal, pivotal play.You should get, like, you should get residual checks, too, because I feel like the NFL uses it in every highlight package for the next 20 years.That would be nice if they had those. Unfortunately, they don't have those yet.It was a great game. I remember those two Super Bowls and one of the key parts of your offensive line, good friend of ours, Mark Schlarith, comes on the show a lot. He was actually my little league baseball coach.Oh, really?Yes, because he was in DC, then he went out to Colorado. So you signed this. A good free agent guard coming out from Washington, Super bowl champion comes out there. You're probably excited to have a great player on your offensive line, but was there a small party that was like, why does this guy just piss on himself?Stinks.This guy just smells.I was just thrilled he wasn't a center. Yeah, because I'd had to put my hand underneath him. But, yeah, I mean, that was, that was, you know, that's probably why he got the name stink, too, because of the fact that, you know, he would do that. But, yeah, it was always amazing to me that he would. He would do that.Weirdest segue ever. But we're saying the word stink. I read that you also, the only sport you ever quit was wrestling in 8th grade, because you wrestled against a kid who smelled really bad.He smelled really bad.So how bad didWhen did that stop?That stopped the next year because it didn't work very good. We just get mad about it, so. And, you know, and then you got tv worrying about how much time they're taking because they want the game to fit in a three hour window. Right. So I remember standing in Kansas City one time for like three minutes just waiting for them to, you know, and soon as the referee says, be quiet, they're going. They get louder.Yeah.Right. So that was in, I think, for one year and then kind of got. Got out of that.So, yeah, that was quite a. Yeah. Big rule change.Yeah.I can't imagine that didn't work.I went back. So it was always, Kansas City was always a tough, tough place to go. It was always very loud, same as it is now.This might be a tough question, but how mad were you that you had to present the Lombardi trophy to the Chiefs this year?You know, I wasn't mad. The thing is, I really was pulling for Johnny lynch, who's a good buddy as a gym with the Niners. And then Kyle, obviously, was running around our practices all the time when he was younger and when Mike was with Broncos. And so, you know, just the infinity for those guys. And, you know, and they've been there, you know, before and lost one. And so I was really pulling for them. It was such a tight game. But, you know, you look at Kansas City, Andy Reed and Patrick. I think, you know, to me, Andy Reed is kind of one of the unsung heroes as far as a head coach, and the credit that he gets being a head coach because he's had a tremendous amount of success everywhere he's been. And I think we see that with Kansas City now, especially with Patrick and what he's done with Patrick. Yeah. Really taking advantage of what he does best.Yeah. It was a Raiders fans worst nightmare. It was in the Raiders stadium and it was the Chiefs, who they are rivals with. And then you were there. It was basically every, every bad thing that ever happened to the Raiders. Just all in one spot. Watch it all.Yeah, exactly.I mentioned you're a living legend, which you are. I think the craziest part is you are part of two of the most iconic moments, drive in football history that. So much so that they're just called the play and the drive. So I wanted to talk about both of them, the play, the band on the field. Have you gotten to a point now where you can be like, that actually was pretty funny.We're talking about the play, just Stanford, actually. People didn't realize it was my last college game, and a lot of people didn't realize even played in that Buffalo, you know, they opened it up and had that red gun, I think they call it. We're throwing it all over the place.We were a little bit with Dan, we were a little bit more conservative and run the ball and throw it when we needed to, but we were winning football games, and you can't argue when you're winning football games and then able to get to those three out of four years. We got to the Super Bowls and unfortunately didn't win them, but we're able.To get there in that draft. Obviously, the famous, you're going to maybe go play baseball if the Colts do take you, but if they decide to keep you, was there ever a moment that you were nervous that, like, maybe I'm bluffing? Like, because you, you love, you love football, and if they just say, hey, we're willing to burn a pick here, were you willing to be like, I'm done with football. I'm going to play baseball?Well, my plan was really to go play baseball for a year because I had signed with the Yankees after my sophomore year. During my junior and senior year, I played minor league baseball up in Oneonta, New York for the Yankees. And so I was in a contract with the Yankees. And so my plan was to go play baseball for a year, then my name would have gone back in the draft the next year.Got it right.So they lose. So the Colts would have lost the rights to me the next year. My name would have gone back into the draft. So that was the worst scenario. But I wanted to play football.Right.And, you know, and so I thought there was going to be a trade done before the draft. And, you know, I really thought I was going to the Raiders, really that night before it was through Chicago. And so, and then I think with Al Davis at the time was, I think sooner was in a lawsuit with, with the NFL, and him and Pete Rozelle didn't get along very well. So rumor has it that Pete kind of got involved, got to, got ahold of finks in, in Chicago and said, you can't let this go through. And then that trade fell through, and so then the Colts kind of got stuck and ended up taking me.And so, yeah, when they said your name did you know that you were like, they were already back channeling that you're, you're not going to be, or.Were you like, shit, they did take, no, we can't. I knew it by then.Right.It wasn't back then when we got drafted, we'd have, we'd go. We were done. We rented a suite with all the guys that were gonna get drafted and watched the draft and, you know, kind of all got together and did it that way. And so I was in constant contact with my agent all the time. And so I knew once we got close to the draft that the Colts were gonna take me.So.Yeah. And you turned out to be correct because they moved. The Colts moved, right.They moved the next year.So you were, you were kind of vindicated.That's what I kept trying to say. It's nothing against Baltimore. I had never been to Baltimore. It really was nothing against Baltimore, but.It was, the franchise was coming.Franchise where they were. And, you know, they'd drafted schliester a couple years before, and so it was just, you know, didn't feel like it was a great, and having the leverage with baseball, you know, and really, my dad was one that was, that led this whole charge. He was smart enough to do it at 22. I was not the one that was going to lead that charge, but he wanted to get me in a situation that was going to allow me, you know, to be the best player that I could be with a good organization that thought I had a chance with.And then years later, you get, you get Peyton Manning from the Colts to Denver, you're like, they must hate you in Indianapolis.Yeah. Well, fortunately that, yeah, they let him go, so they were more mad at the organization that allowed us to get him.Yeah.Was there ever any thought of playing both?No. No, I didn't. You know, I spent so much time at, you know, Athenae, and I was, I was a better football player than I was a baseball player just because of the, you know, the amount of time I spent at it. You know, I always went to college roommates. Both of them had really good major league careers, you know, so I think I could add a good major league career, but I don't know that it would have been at the level that I had with when playing football.Yeah. Because the story goes that George Steinbrenner said that he would, you were going to be the starting right fielder by like, 85, right?Yeah.And that's pretty cool.Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but like I said, I really wanted to play football. I loved playing the quarterback position and felt I was a better quarterback than I was an outfielder. And so.Well, thank you for playing football because it would have just wouldn't hit the same la, baseball player like for maybe guys our size was not a full lunch.That's not a full.Can't eat a lunchable for lunch.I never once had a lunch.Never launched. Never. That's all I get.Correct.That's like a warm up snack. You eat the lunchables and then you go to the bagel bites.Yeah, I'm sticking. Lunchable. I don't put, I'll even put the cheese and cracker in, in parentheses.But you should just get cheese and crackers because lunchables come with a drink.But like, the lunch, the lunchable ones.Are the, my qualm is not with withdeze. The fact that there's so many things in a lunchable. It's just the fact that we're taking lunch as a snack. It's funny, it's ridiculous, but we're gonna let Max do it.But lunchables, if it weren't for the name. It is the quintessential snack. Like, the name is what's. It's stopping it. Like, it's literally the sizes of snack. It's like you eat it after school.Wait, like you have, can a snack have a dessert?Do all lunchables have desserts?Yeah, I think they do.Yeah. I mean, well, half of mine are desserts anyway.No, but I mean, like, there's a dessert that goes along with his snack. There's like, after you're done with your.Snack, you know, what was the dessert in them?There's like, there do, there would be right here.We can't see it, Max.We can't see.Oh, shit.It was the Andes bar. The men, just like, they.There were ones that didn't have.Yeah, I used to not have one dessert. It would be like the meat and cheese and crackers.That was, that's it. That's that. That was it.Those are the ones I used to have also.I didn't know they put just the cheese. Just the meat, cheese and cracker.Yeah. This is what, this is the one I'm talking about. Pft. That's basically, that's a snack, but I.Think that's leaving out a part of the tray.No, it's not.Yeah, because there's usually. There was usually.Look at it.I think there was both. There was some that didn't have.lot of these were, like, the ideal snacks. Like, I would rarely have them in my own house, but every time, right. Somewhere else's, it would be like.Right.This is what I wanted as a kid.Yeah. This is what I wish my parents were.Yes.Yes.Yeah, that's his simple as, like, it gets as a kid. It's like. Like, do they allow toy guns? Can you watch tv and snacks? That's what I want my parents to be.What? Video game system.Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay, good. Mount Rushmore, boys. Okay, that is our show. Take ease. On Wednesday, we can't remember if we already taped numbers or not, so we're gonna do one right now. And if we did do it, you'll get two numbers this time.So, everyone be cool between now and Wednesday, because we will be ordering. We'll be. Will be awarding the AWL award.Yeah.To some podcast listeners so much. Like, right before Christmas, when you try to make your parents think that you're doing a lot of good stuff to get presents and toys. Just be cool this week, everyone.Compliments are fine.Everyone give memes a compliment.Yes, give everyone a compliment. Yeah, say something nice about all of us. But yeah, so if we have double numbers. You're not hallucinating. There'll just be another numbers with Max and Hank right after these. But let's try to get one of us to get it right now without Max here. So, numbers.8773-2099 pug.Actually, can I change mine?Yes.56.Yes.Yeah. 56.Would you rather have 20?No, I'll take 56.21. This officially counts. Even if we did other numbers, everyone agrees.Yes.Yes. Okay, counts. 71.Love you guys.Change his clothes. Yeah. You being this like a bitch. I know when you know they are no good for me. Cause you're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in and you're out. You're up and you're down. You're always. It's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break out, we kiss, we make out. You really wanna say no? You really wanna go yes. And you know you're in your out. You're up, in your down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in your out. You're up and you're down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in the. You cold? You're yes and you're no? You're in your out. You're acting your dad? You're wrong. When it's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break up, we kiss, we make up. You don't really want to say no. You don't really want to go. Call the doctor, got a case of kicking. Change your mind like a girl.Change your clothes.Cause you're hot and you cold? You're yes but you know you're in your house.

I've got nothing. So I just really kind of dropped back and tried to find a scene, get outside, try to make a play, and I looked for the first down marker and they kind of stayed back and I said, all right, I'm going to turn this thing up and see how far I can get.

And then I said, all right, well, I think they think I'm going down low. So I put the big old six inch vertical on them and went right over.

Do you remember, like, being in air, being like, whoa.

I do, because I got discombobulated, because I got spun around. And the one thing I do remember is I looked to our sideline and our whole sideline was going nuts. And so the adrenaline rush that came from that was. I still get chills when I was.

One of the coolest plays ever.

Yeah, a lot of people think it was for a touchdown, not it was just for a first down. We ended up scoring on that drive, but obviously with where that game ended up, it was a pivotal, pivotal play.

You should get, like, you should get residual checks, too, because I feel like the NFL uses it in every highlight package for the next 20 years.

That would be nice if they had those. Unfortunately, they don't have those yet.

It was a great game. I remember those two Super Bowls and one of the key parts of your offensive line, good friend of ours, Mark Schlarith, comes on the show a lot. He was actually my little league baseball coach.

Oh, really?

Yes, because he was in DC, then he went out to Colorado. So you signed this. A good free agent guard coming out from Washington, Super bowl champion comes out there. You're probably excited to have a great player on your offensive line, but was there a small party that was like, why does this guy just piss on himself?

Stinks.

This guy just smells.

I was just thrilled he wasn't a center. Yeah, because I'd had to put my hand underneath him. But, yeah, I mean, that was, that was, you know, that's probably why he got the name stink, too, because of the fact that, you know, he would do that. But, yeah, it was always amazing to me that he would. He would do that.

Weirdest segue ever. But we're saying the word stink. I read that you also, the only sport you ever quit was wrestling in 8th grade, because you wrestled against a kid who smelled really bad.

He smelled really bad.

So how bad didWhen did that stop?That stopped the next year because it didn't work very good. We just get mad about it, so. And, you know, and then you got tv worrying about how much time they're taking because they want the game to fit in a three hour window. Right. So I remember standing in Kansas City one time for like three minutes just waiting for them to, you know, and soon as the referee says, be quiet, they're going. They get louder.Yeah.Right. So that was in, I think, for one year and then kind of got. Got out of that.So, yeah, that was quite a. Yeah. Big rule change.Yeah.I can't imagine that didn't work.I went back. So it was always, Kansas City was always a tough, tough place to go. It was always very loud, same as it is now.This might be a tough question, but how mad were you that you had to present the Lombardi trophy to the Chiefs this year?You know, I wasn't mad. The thing is, I really was pulling for Johnny lynch, who's a good buddy as a gym with the Niners. And then Kyle, obviously, was running around our practices all the time when he was younger and when Mike was with Broncos. And so, you know, just the infinity for those guys. And, you know, and they've been there, you know, before and lost one. And so I was really pulling for them. It was such a tight game. But, you know, you look at Kansas City, Andy Reed and Patrick. I think, you know, to me, Andy Reed is kind of one of the unsung heroes as far as a head coach, and the credit that he gets being a head coach because he's had a tremendous amount of success everywhere he's been. And I think we see that with Kansas City now, especially with Patrick and what he's done with Patrick. Yeah. Really taking advantage of what he does best.Yeah. It was a Raiders fans worst nightmare. It was in the Raiders stadium and it was the Chiefs, who they are rivals with. And then you were there. It was basically every, every bad thing that ever happened to the Raiders. Just all in one spot. Watch it all.Yeah, exactly.I mentioned you're a living legend, which you are. I think the craziest part is you are part of two of the most iconic moments, drive in football history that. So much so that they're just called the play and the drive. So I wanted to talk about both of them, the play, the band on the field. Have you gotten to a point now where you can be like, that actually was pretty funny.We're talking about the play, just Stanford, actually. People didn't realize it was my last college game, and a lot of people didn't realize even played in that Buffalo, you know, they opened it up and had that red gun, I think they call it. We're throwing it all over the place.We were a little bit with Dan, we were a little bit more conservative and run the ball and throw it when we needed to, but we were winning football games, and you can't argue when you're winning football games and then able to get to those three out of four years. We got to the Super Bowls and unfortunately didn't win them, but we're able.To get there in that draft. Obviously, the famous, you're going to maybe go play baseball if the Colts do take you, but if they decide to keep you, was there ever a moment that you were nervous that, like, maybe I'm bluffing? Like, because you, you love, you love football, and if they just say, hey, we're willing to burn a pick here, were you willing to be like, I'm done with football. I'm going to play baseball?Well, my plan was really to go play baseball for a year because I had signed with the Yankees after my sophomore year. During my junior and senior year, I played minor league baseball up in Oneonta, New York for the Yankees. And so I was in a contract with the Yankees. And so my plan was to go play baseball for a year, then my name would have gone back in the draft the next year.Got it right.So they lose. So the Colts would have lost the rights to me the next year. My name would have gone back into the draft. So that was the worst scenario. But I wanted to play football.Right.And, you know, and so I thought there was going to be a trade done before the draft. And, you know, I really thought I was going to the Raiders, really that night before it was through Chicago. And so, and then I think with Al Davis at the time was, I think sooner was in a lawsuit with, with the NFL, and him and Pete Rozelle didn't get along very well. So rumor has it that Pete kind of got involved, got to, got ahold of finks in, in Chicago and said, you can't let this go through. And then that trade fell through, and so then the Colts kind of got stuck and ended up taking me.And so, yeah, when they said your name did you know that you were like, they were already back channeling that you're, you're not going to be, or.Were you like, shit, they did take, no, we can't. I knew it by then.Right.It wasn't back then when we got drafted, we'd have, we'd go. We were done. We rented a suite with all the guys that were gonna get drafted and watched the draft and, you know, kind of all got together and did it that way. And so I was in constant contact with my agent all the time. And so I knew once we got close to the draft that the Colts were gonna take me.So.Yeah. And you turned out to be correct because they moved. The Colts moved, right.They moved the next year.So you were, you were kind of vindicated.That's what I kept trying to say. It's nothing against Baltimore. I had never been to Baltimore. It really was nothing against Baltimore, but.It was, the franchise was coming.Franchise where they were. And, you know, they'd drafted schliester a couple years before, and so it was just, you know, didn't feel like it was a great, and having the leverage with baseball, you know, and really, my dad was one that was, that led this whole charge. He was smart enough to do it at 22. I was not the one that was going to lead that charge, but he wanted to get me in a situation that was going to allow me, you know, to be the best player that I could be with a good organization that thought I had a chance with.And then years later, you get, you get Peyton Manning from the Colts to Denver, you're like, they must hate you in Indianapolis.Yeah. Well, fortunately that, yeah, they let him go, so they were more mad at the organization that allowed us to get him.Yeah.Was there ever any thought of playing both?No. No, I didn't. You know, I spent so much time at, you know, Athenae, and I was, I was a better football player than I was a baseball player just because of the, you know, the amount of time I spent at it. You know, I always went to college roommates. Both of them had really good major league careers, you know, so I think I could add a good major league career, but I don't know that it would have been at the level that I had with when playing football.Yeah. Because the story goes that George Steinbrenner said that he would, you were going to be the starting right fielder by like, 85, right?Yeah.And that's pretty cool.Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but like I said, I really wanted to play football. I loved playing the quarterback position and felt I was a better quarterback than I was an outfielder. And so.Well, thank you for playing football because it would have just wouldn't hit the same la, baseball player like for maybe guys our size was not a full lunch.That's not a full.Can't eat a lunchable for lunch.I never once had a lunch.Never launched. Never. That's all I get.Correct.That's like a warm up snack. You eat the lunchables and then you go to the bagel bites.Yeah, I'm sticking. Lunchable. I don't put, I'll even put the cheese and cracker in, in parentheses.But you should just get cheese and crackers because lunchables come with a drink.But like, the lunch, the lunchable ones.Are the, my qualm is not with withdeze. The fact that there's so many things in a lunchable. It's just the fact that we're taking lunch as a snack. It's funny, it's ridiculous, but we're gonna let Max do it.But lunchables, if it weren't for the name. It is the quintessential snack. Like, the name is what's. It's stopping it. Like, it's literally the sizes of snack. It's like you eat it after school.Wait, like you have, can a snack have a dessert?Do all lunchables have desserts?Yeah, I think they do.Yeah. I mean, well, half of mine are desserts anyway.No, but I mean, like, there's a dessert that goes along with his snack. There's like, after you're done with your.Snack, you know, what was the dessert in them?There's like, there do, there would be right here.We can't see it, Max.We can't see.Oh, shit.It was the Andes bar. The men, just like, they.There were ones that didn't have.Yeah, I used to not have one dessert. It would be like the meat and cheese and crackers.That was, that's it. That's that. That was it.Those are the ones I used to have also.I didn't know they put just the cheese. Just the meat, cheese and cracker.Yeah. This is what, this is the one I'm talking about. Pft. That's basically, that's a snack, but I.Think that's leaving out a part of the tray.No, it's not.Yeah, because there's usually. There was usually.Look at it.I think there was both. There was some that didn't have.lot of these were, like, the ideal snacks. Like, I would rarely have them in my own house, but every time, right. Somewhere else's, it would be like.Right.This is what I wanted as a kid.Yeah. This is what I wish my parents were.Yes.Yes.Yeah, that's his simple as, like, it gets as a kid. It's like. Like, do they allow toy guns? Can you watch tv and snacks? That's what I want my parents to be.What? Video game system.Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay, good. Mount Rushmore, boys. Okay, that is our show. Take ease. On Wednesday, we can't remember if we already taped numbers or not, so we're gonna do one right now. And if we did do it, you'll get two numbers this time.So, everyone be cool between now and Wednesday, because we will be ordering. We'll be. Will be awarding the AWL award.Yeah.To some podcast listeners so much. Like, right before Christmas, when you try to make your parents think that you're doing a lot of good stuff to get presents and toys. Just be cool this week, everyone.Compliments are fine.Everyone give memes a compliment.Yes, give everyone a compliment. Yeah, say something nice about all of us. But yeah, so if we have double numbers. You're not hallucinating. There'll just be another numbers with Max and Hank right after these. But let's try to get one of us to get it right now without Max here. So, numbers.8773-2099 pug.Actually, can I change mine?Yes.56.Yes.Yeah. 56.Would you rather have 20?No, I'll take 56.21. This officially counts. Even if we did other numbers, everyone agrees.Yes.Yes. Okay, counts. 71.Love you guys.Change his clothes. Yeah. You being this like a bitch. I know when you know they are no good for me. Cause you're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in and you're out. You're up and you're down. You're always. It's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break out, we kiss, we make out. You really wanna say no? You really wanna go yes. And you know you're in your out. You're up, in your down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in your out. You're up and you're down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in the. You cold? You're yes and you're no? You're in your out. You're acting your dad? You're wrong. When it's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break up, we kiss, we make up. You don't really want to say no. You don't really want to go. Call the doctor, got a case of kicking. Change your mind like a girl.Change your clothes.Cause you're hot and you cold? You're yes but you know you're in your house.

When did that stop?

That stopped the next year because it didn't work very good. We just get mad about it, so. And, you know, and then you got tv worrying about how much time they're taking because they want the game to fit in a three hour window. Right. So I remember standing in Kansas City one time for like three minutes just waiting for them to, you know, and soon as the referee says, be quiet, they're going. They get louder.

Yeah.

Right. So that was in, I think, for one year and then kind of got. Got out of that.

So, yeah, that was quite a. Yeah. Big rule change.

Yeah.

I can't imagine that didn't work.

I went back. So it was always, Kansas City was always a tough, tough place to go. It was always very loud, same as it is now.

This might be a tough question, but how mad were you that you had to present the Lombardi trophy to the Chiefs this year?

You know, I wasn't mad. The thing is, I really was pulling for Johnny lynch, who's a good buddy as a gym with the Niners. And then Kyle, obviously, was running around our practices all the time when he was younger and when Mike was with Broncos. And so, you know, just the infinity for those guys. And, you know, and they've been there, you know, before and lost one. And so I was really pulling for them. It was such a tight game. But, you know, you look at Kansas City, Andy Reed and Patrick. I think, you know, to me, Andy Reed is kind of one of the unsung heroes as far as a head coach, and the credit that he gets being a head coach because he's had a tremendous amount of success everywhere he's been. And I think we see that with Kansas City now, especially with Patrick and what he's done with Patrick. Yeah. Really taking advantage of what he does best.

Yeah. It was a Raiders fans worst nightmare. It was in the Raiders stadium and it was the Chiefs, who they are rivals with. And then you were there. It was basically every, every bad thing that ever happened to the Raiders. Just all in one spot. Watch it all.

Yeah, exactly.

I mentioned you're a living legend, which you are. I think the craziest part is you are part of two of the most iconic moments, drive in football history that. So much so that they're just called the play and the drive. So I wanted to talk about both of them, the play, the band on the field. Have you gotten to a point now where you can be like, that actually was pretty funny.

We're talking about the play, just Stanford, actually. People didn't realize it was my last college game, and a lot of people didn't realize even played in that Buffalo, you know, they opened it up and had that red gun, I think they call it. We're throwing it all over the place.We were a little bit with Dan, we were a little bit more conservative and run the ball and throw it when we needed to, but we were winning football games, and you can't argue when you're winning football games and then able to get to those three out of four years. We got to the Super Bowls and unfortunately didn't win them, but we're able.To get there in that draft. Obviously, the famous, you're going to maybe go play baseball if the Colts do take you, but if they decide to keep you, was there ever a moment that you were nervous that, like, maybe I'm bluffing? Like, because you, you love, you love football, and if they just say, hey, we're willing to burn a pick here, were you willing to be like, I'm done with football. I'm going to play baseball?Well, my plan was really to go play baseball for a year because I had signed with the Yankees after my sophomore year. During my junior and senior year, I played minor league baseball up in Oneonta, New York for the Yankees. And so I was in a contract with the Yankees. And so my plan was to go play baseball for a year, then my name would have gone back in the draft the next year.Got it right.So they lose. So the Colts would have lost the rights to me the next year. My name would have gone back into the draft. So that was the worst scenario. But I wanted to play football.Right.And, you know, and so I thought there was going to be a trade done before the draft. And, you know, I really thought I was going to the Raiders, really that night before it was through Chicago. And so, and then I think with Al Davis at the time was, I think sooner was in a lawsuit with, with the NFL, and him and Pete Rozelle didn't get along very well. So rumor has it that Pete kind of got involved, got to, got ahold of finks in, in Chicago and said, you can't let this go through. And then that trade fell through, and so then the Colts kind of got stuck and ended up taking me.And so, yeah, when they said your name did you know that you were like, they were already back channeling that you're, you're not going to be, or.Were you like, shit, they did take, no, we can't. I knew it by then.Right.It wasn't back then when we got drafted, we'd have, we'd go. We were done. We rented a suite with all the guys that were gonna get drafted and watched the draft and, you know, kind of all got together and did it that way. And so I was in constant contact with my agent all the time. And so I knew once we got close to the draft that the Colts were gonna take me.So.Yeah. And you turned out to be correct because they moved. The Colts moved, right.They moved the next year.So you were, you were kind of vindicated.That's what I kept trying to say. It's nothing against Baltimore. I had never been to Baltimore. It really was nothing against Baltimore, but.It was, the franchise was coming.Franchise where they were. And, you know, they'd drafted schliester a couple years before, and so it was just, you know, didn't feel like it was a great, and having the leverage with baseball, you know, and really, my dad was one that was, that led this whole charge. He was smart enough to do it at 22. I was not the one that was going to lead that charge, but he wanted to get me in a situation that was going to allow me, you know, to be the best player that I could be with a good organization that thought I had a chance with.And then years later, you get, you get Peyton Manning from the Colts to Denver, you're like, they must hate you in Indianapolis.Yeah. Well, fortunately that, yeah, they let him go, so they were more mad at the organization that allowed us to get him.Yeah.Was there ever any thought of playing both?No. No, I didn't. You know, I spent so much time at, you know, Athenae, and I was, I was a better football player than I was a baseball player just because of the, you know, the amount of time I spent at it. You know, I always went to college roommates. Both of them had really good major league careers, you know, so I think I could add a good major league career, but I don't know that it would have been at the level that I had with when playing football.Yeah. Because the story goes that George Steinbrenner said that he would, you were going to be the starting right fielder by like, 85, right?Yeah.And that's pretty cool.Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but like I said, I really wanted to play football. I loved playing the quarterback position and felt I was a better quarterback than I was an outfielder. And so.Well, thank you for playing football because it would have just wouldn't hit the same la, baseball player like for maybe guys our size was not a full lunch.That's not a full.Can't eat a lunchable for lunch.I never once had a lunch.Never launched. Never. That's all I get.Correct.That's like a warm up snack. You eat the lunchables and then you go to the bagel bites.Yeah, I'm sticking. Lunchable. I don't put, I'll even put the cheese and cracker in, in parentheses.But you should just get cheese and crackers because lunchables come with a drink.But like, the lunch, the lunchable ones.Are the, my qualm is not with withdeze. The fact that there's so many things in a lunchable. It's just the fact that we're taking lunch as a snack. It's funny, it's ridiculous, but we're gonna let Max do it.But lunchables, if it weren't for the name. It is the quintessential snack. Like, the name is what's. It's stopping it. Like, it's literally the sizes of snack. It's like you eat it after school.Wait, like you have, can a snack have a dessert?Do all lunchables have desserts?Yeah, I think they do.Yeah. I mean, well, half of mine are desserts anyway.No, but I mean, like, there's a dessert that goes along with his snack. There's like, after you're done with your.Snack, you know, what was the dessert in them?There's like, there do, there would be right here.We can't see it, Max.We can't see.Oh, shit.It was the Andes bar. The men, just like, they.There were ones that didn't have.Yeah, I used to not have one dessert. It would be like the meat and cheese and crackers.That was, that's it. That's that. That was it.Those are the ones I used to have also.I didn't know they put just the cheese. Just the meat, cheese and cracker.Yeah. This is what, this is the one I'm talking about. Pft. That's basically, that's a snack, but I.Think that's leaving out a part of the tray.No, it's not.Yeah, because there's usually. There was usually.Look at it.I think there was both. There was some that didn't have.lot of these were, like, the ideal snacks. Like, I would rarely have them in my own house, but every time, right. Somewhere else's, it would be like.Right.This is what I wanted as a kid.Yeah. This is what I wish my parents were.Yes.Yes.Yeah, that's his simple as, like, it gets as a kid. It's like. Like, do they allow toy guns? Can you watch tv and snacks? That's what I want my parents to be.What? Video game system.Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay, good. Mount Rushmore, boys. Okay, that is our show. Take ease. On Wednesday, we can't remember if we already taped numbers or not, so we're gonna do one right now. And if we did do it, you'll get two numbers this time.So, everyone be cool between now and Wednesday, because we will be ordering. We'll be. Will be awarding the AWL award.Yeah.To some podcast listeners so much. Like, right before Christmas, when you try to make your parents think that you're doing a lot of good stuff to get presents and toys. Just be cool this week, everyone.Compliments are fine.Everyone give memes a compliment.Yes, give everyone a compliment. Yeah, say something nice about all of us. But yeah, so if we have double numbers. You're not hallucinating. There'll just be another numbers with Max and Hank right after these. But let's try to get one of us to get it right now without Max here. So, numbers.8773-2099 pug.Actually, can I change mine?Yes.56.Yes.Yeah. 56.Would you rather have 20?No, I'll take 56.21. This officially counts. Even if we did other numbers, everyone agrees.Yes.Yes. Okay, counts. 71.Love you guys.Change his clothes. Yeah. You being this like a bitch. I know when you know they are no good for me. Cause you're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in and you're out. You're up and you're down. You're always. It's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break out, we kiss, we make out. You really wanna say no? You really wanna go yes. And you know you're in your out. You're up, in your down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in your out. You're up and you're down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in the. You cold? You're yes and you're no? You're in your out. You're acting your dad? You're wrong. When it's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break up, we kiss, we make up. You don't really want to say no. You don't really want to go. Call the doctor, got a case of kicking. Change your mind like a girl.Change your clothes.Cause you're hot and you cold? You're yes but you know you're in your house.

Buffalo, you know, they opened it up and had that red gun, I think they call it. We're throwing it all over the place.

We were a little bit with Dan, we were a little bit more conservative and run the ball and throw it when we needed to, but we were winning football games, and you can't argue when you're winning football games and then able to get to those three out of four years. We got to the Super Bowls and unfortunately didn't win them, but we're able.

To get there in that draft. Obviously, the famous, you're going to maybe go play baseball if the Colts do take you, but if they decide to keep you, was there ever a moment that you were nervous that, like, maybe I'm bluffing? Like, because you, you love, you love football, and if they just say, hey, we're willing to burn a pick here, were you willing to be like, I'm done with football. I'm going to play baseball?

Well, my plan was really to go play baseball for a year because I had signed with the Yankees after my sophomore year. During my junior and senior year, I played minor league baseball up in Oneonta, New York for the Yankees. And so I was in a contract with the Yankees. And so my plan was to go play baseball for a year, then my name would have gone back in the draft the next year.

Got it right.

So they lose. So the Colts would have lost the rights to me the next year. My name would have gone back into the draft. So that was the worst scenario. But I wanted to play football.

Right.

And, you know, and so I thought there was going to be a trade done before the draft. And, you know, I really thought I was going to the Raiders, really that night before it was through Chicago. And so, and then I think with Al Davis at the time was, I think sooner was in a lawsuit with, with the NFL, and him and Pete Rozelle didn't get along very well. So rumor has it that Pete kind of got involved, got to, got ahold of finks in, in Chicago and said, you can't let this go through. And then that trade fell through, and so then the Colts kind of got stuck and ended up taking me.

And so, yeah, when they said your name did you know that you were like, they were already back channeling that you're, you're not going to be, or.

Were you like, shit, they did take, no, we can't. I knew it by then.

Right.

It wasn't back then when we got drafted, we'd have, we'd go. We were done. We rented a suite with all the guys that were gonna get drafted and watched the draft and, you know, kind of all got together and did it that way. And so I was in constant contact with my agent all the time. And so I knew once we got close to the draft that the Colts were gonna take me.

So.

Yeah. And you turned out to be correct because they moved. The Colts moved, right.

They moved the next year.

So you were, you were kind of vindicated.

That's what I kept trying to say. It's nothing against Baltimore. I had never been to Baltimore. It really was nothing against Baltimore, but.

It was, the franchise was coming.

Franchise where they were. And, you know, they'd drafted schliester a couple years before, and so it was just, you know, didn't feel like it was a great, and having the leverage with baseball, you know, and really, my dad was one that was, that led this whole charge. He was smart enough to do it at 22. I was not the one that was going to lead that charge, but he wanted to get me in a situation that was going to allow me, you know, to be the best player that I could be with a good organization that thought I had a chance with.

And then years later, you get, you get Peyton Manning from the Colts to Denver, you're like, they must hate you in Indianapolis.

Yeah. Well, fortunately that, yeah, they let him go, so they were more mad at the organization that allowed us to get him.

Yeah.

Was there ever any thought of playing both?

No. No, I didn't. You know, I spent so much time at, you know, Athenae, and I was, I was a better football player than I was a baseball player just because of the, you know, the amount of time I spent at it. You know, I always went to college roommates. Both of them had really good major league careers, you know, so I think I could add a good major league career, but I don't know that it would have been at the level that I had with when playing football.

Yeah. Because the story goes that George Steinbrenner said that he would, you were going to be the starting right fielder by like, 85, right?

Yeah.

And that's pretty cool.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but like I said, I really wanted to play football. I loved playing the quarterback position and felt I was a better quarterback than I was an outfielder. And so.

Well, thank you for playing football because it would have just wouldn't hit the same la, baseball player like for maybe guys our size was not a full lunch.That's not a full.Can't eat a lunchable for lunch.I never once had a lunch.Never launched. Never. That's all I get.Correct.That's like a warm up snack. You eat the lunchables and then you go to the bagel bites.Yeah, I'm sticking. Lunchable. I don't put, I'll even put the cheese and cracker in, in parentheses.But you should just get cheese and crackers because lunchables come with a drink.But like, the lunch, the lunchable ones.Are the, my qualm is not with withdeze. The fact that there's so many things in a lunchable. It's just the fact that we're taking lunch as a snack. It's funny, it's ridiculous, but we're gonna let Max do it.But lunchables, if it weren't for the name. It is the quintessential snack. Like, the name is what's. It's stopping it. Like, it's literally the sizes of snack. It's like you eat it after school.Wait, like you have, can a snack have a dessert?Do all lunchables have desserts?Yeah, I think they do.Yeah. I mean, well, half of mine are desserts anyway.No, but I mean, like, there's a dessert that goes along with his snack. There's like, after you're done with your.Snack, you know, what was the dessert in them?There's like, there do, there would be right here.We can't see it, Max.We can't see.Oh, shit.It was the Andes bar. The men, just like, they.There were ones that didn't have.Yeah, I used to not have one dessert. It would be like the meat and cheese and crackers.That was, that's it. That's that. That was it.Those are the ones I used to have also.I didn't know they put just the cheese. Just the meat, cheese and cracker.Yeah. This is what, this is the one I'm talking about. Pft. That's basically, that's a snack, but I.Think that's leaving out a part of the tray.No, it's not.Yeah, because there's usually. There was usually.Look at it.I think there was both. There was some that didn't have.lot of these were, like, the ideal snacks. Like, I would rarely have them in my own house, but every time, right. Somewhere else's, it would be like.Right.This is what I wanted as a kid.Yeah. This is what I wish my parents were.Yes.Yes.Yeah, that's his simple as, like, it gets as a kid. It's like. Like, do they allow toy guns? Can you watch tv and snacks? That's what I want my parents to be.What? Video game system.Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay, good. Mount Rushmore, boys. Okay, that is our show. Take ease. On Wednesday, we can't remember if we already taped numbers or not, so we're gonna do one right now. And if we did do it, you'll get two numbers this time.So, everyone be cool between now and Wednesday, because we will be ordering. We'll be. Will be awarding the AWL award.Yeah.To some podcast listeners so much. Like, right before Christmas, when you try to make your parents think that you're doing a lot of good stuff to get presents and toys. Just be cool this week, everyone.Compliments are fine.Everyone give memes a compliment.Yes, give everyone a compliment. Yeah, say something nice about all of us. But yeah, so if we have double numbers. You're not hallucinating. There'll just be another numbers with Max and Hank right after these. But let's try to get one of us to get it right now without Max here. So, numbers.8773-2099 pug.Actually, can I change mine?Yes.56.Yes.Yeah. 56.Would you rather have 20?No, I'll take 56.21. This officially counts. Even if we did other numbers, everyone agrees.Yes.Yes. Okay, counts. 71.Love you guys.Change his clothes. Yeah. You being this like a bitch. I know when you know they are no good for me. Cause you're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in and you're out. You're up and you're down. You're always. It's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break out, we kiss, we make out. You really wanna say no? You really wanna go yes. And you know you're in your out. You're up, in your down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in your out. You're up and you're down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in the. You cold? You're yes and you're no? You're in your out. You're acting your dad? You're wrong. When it's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break up, we kiss, we make up. You don't really want to say no. You don't really want to go. Call the doctor, got a case of kicking. Change your mind like a girl.Change your clothes.Cause you're hot and you cold? You're yes but you know you're in your house.

for maybe guys our size was not a full lunch.

That's not a full.

Can't eat a lunchable for lunch.

I never once had a lunch.

Never launched. Never. That's all I get.

Correct.

That's like a warm up snack. You eat the lunchables and then you go to the bagel bites.

Yeah, I'm sticking. Lunchable. I don't put, I'll even put the cheese and cracker in, in parentheses.

But you should just get cheese and crackers because lunchables come with a drink.

But like, the lunch, the lunchable ones.

Are the, my qualm is not with withdeze. The fact that there's so many things in a lunchable. It's just the fact that we're taking lunch as a snack. It's funny, it's ridiculous, but we're gonna let Max do it.

But lunchables, if it weren't for the name. It is the quintessential snack. Like, the name is what's. It's stopping it. Like, it's literally the sizes of snack. It's like you eat it after school.

Wait, like you have, can a snack have a dessert?

Do all lunchables have desserts?

Yeah, I think they do.

Yeah. I mean, well, half of mine are desserts anyway.

No, but I mean, like, there's a dessert that goes along with his snack. There's like, after you're done with your.

Snack, you know, what was the dessert in them?

There's like, there do, there would be right here.

We can't see it, Max.

We can't see.

Oh, shit.

It was the Andes bar. The men, just like, they.

There were ones that didn't have.

Yeah, I used to not have one dessert. It would be like the meat and cheese and crackers.

That was, that's it. That's that. That was it.

Those are the ones I used to have also.

I didn't know they put just the cheese. Just the meat, cheese and cracker.

Yeah. This is what, this is the one I'm talking about. Pft. That's basically, that's a snack, but I.

Think that's leaving out a part of the tray.

No, it's not.

Yeah, because there's usually. There was usually.

Look at it.

I think there was both. There was some that didn't have.lot of these were, like, the ideal snacks. Like, I would rarely have them in my own house, but every time, right. Somewhere else's, it would be like.Right.This is what I wanted as a kid.Yeah. This is what I wish my parents were.Yes.Yes.Yeah, that's his simple as, like, it gets as a kid. It's like. Like, do they allow toy guns? Can you watch tv and snacks? That's what I want my parents to be.What? Video game system.Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay, good. Mount Rushmore, boys. Okay, that is our show. Take ease. On Wednesday, we can't remember if we already taped numbers or not, so we're gonna do one right now. And if we did do it, you'll get two numbers this time.So, everyone be cool between now and Wednesday, because we will be ordering. We'll be. Will be awarding the AWL award.Yeah.To some podcast listeners so much. Like, right before Christmas, when you try to make your parents think that you're doing a lot of good stuff to get presents and toys. Just be cool this week, everyone.Compliments are fine.Everyone give memes a compliment.Yes, give everyone a compliment. Yeah, say something nice about all of us. But yeah, so if we have double numbers. You're not hallucinating. There'll just be another numbers with Max and Hank right after these. But let's try to get one of us to get it right now without Max here. So, numbers.8773-2099 pug.Actually, can I change mine?Yes.56.Yes.Yeah. 56.Would you rather have 20?No, I'll take 56.21. This officially counts. Even if we did other numbers, everyone agrees.Yes.Yes. Okay, counts. 71.Love you guys.Change his clothes. Yeah. You being this like a bitch. I know when you know they are no good for me. Cause you're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in and you're out. You're up and you're down. You're always. It's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break out, we kiss, we make out. You really wanna say no? You really wanna go yes. And you know you're in your out. You're up, in your down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in your out. You're up and you're down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in the. You cold? You're yes and you're no? You're in your out. You're acting your dad? You're wrong. When it's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break up, we kiss, we make up. You don't really want to say no. You don't really want to go. Call the doctor, got a case of kicking. Change your mind like a girl.Change your clothes.Cause you're hot and you cold? You're yes but you know you're in your house.

lot of these were, like, the ideal snacks. Like, I would rarely have them in my own house, but every time, right. Somewhere else's, it would be like.

Right.

This is what I wanted as a kid.

Yeah. This is what I wish my parents were.

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah, that's his simple as, like, it gets as a kid. It's like. Like, do they allow toy guns? Can you watch tv and snacks? That's what I want my parents to be.

What? Video game system.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay, good. Mount Rushmore, boys. Okay, that is our show. Take ease. On Wednesday, we can't remember if we already taped numbers or not, so we're gonna do one right now. And if we did do it, you'll get two numbers this time.

So, everyone be cool between now and Wednesday, because we will be ordering. We'll be. Will be awarding the AWL award.

Yeah.

To some podcast listeners so much. Like, right before Christmas, when you try to make your parents think that you're doing a lot of good stuff to get presents and toys. Just be cool this week, everyone.

Compliments are fine.

Everyone give memes a compliment.

Yes, give everyone a compliment. Yeah, say something nice about all of us. But yeah, so if we have double numbers. You're not hallucinating. There'll just be another numbers with Max and Hank right after these. But let's try to get one of us to get it right now without Max here. So, numbers.

8773-2099 pug.

Actually, can I change mine?

Yes.

56.

Yes.

Yeah. 56.

Would you rather have 20?

No, I'll take 56.

21. This officially counts. Even if we did other numbers, everyone agrees.

Yes.

Yes. Okay, counts. 71.

Love you guys.

Change his clothes. Yeah. You being this like a bitch. I know when you know they are no good for me. Cause you're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in and you're out. You're up and you're down. You're always. It's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break out, we kiss, we make out. You really wanna say no? You really wanna go yes. And you know you're in your out. You're up, in your down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in your out. You're up and you're down. You're hot then you're cold. You're yes then you know you're in the. You cold? You're yes and you're no? You're in your out. You're acting your dad? You're wrong. When it's white, it's black and it's white. We fight, we break up, we kiss, we make up. You don't really want to say no. You don't really want to go. Call the doctor, got a case of kicking. Change your mind like a girl.

Change your clothes.

Cause you're hot and you cold? You're yes but you know you're in your house.