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We're back, baby. It's so great. It's so great to see football on tv. So great to see the score bug. So great to hear the music. So great to bet the over, which I'm probably going to lose, but I'm going to take it anyways because it's unpatriotic to take the under on the hall of Fame game. I'm excited. I'm super excited. We made it, guys.

Yeah. It's, the minute the calendar turns to August is just like, okay, this is, this is now a football month that we are now in football months. Like, we've made it. I do, I don't want to wish away the summer, but the summer. Bye bye, Hank. Back to work. It's football season where the game is about to kick off. So I will, oh, there's a face. So I will wait.

We got a couple more weeks.

We don't have a couple more weeks. We have grit week and then football. Pft. I will let you know the moment that I think the Bears are all the way back. So while we're recording, I know that.

They'Re back, big cat. In fact, I'm surprised that we haven't talked about this yet. But they're back because they have an athlete at the Olympics.

True. They do.

Watching Simone Biles.

Yeah.

I don't see any packers players in attendance watching Simone Biles.

No. Jonathan Owens. Just hanging out watching, watching Simone Biles. Yeah.

For life.

You're right. Oh, Caleb Williams actually wearing a full jersey. I like that. Just seeing that. But yeah, Tyson Bagen is going to play hall like 18. Well, he had to do 18. Skin and Allen. What are you going to.

Wait, but that wasn't Scott. That was his number in college, right?

No, that was not his number because Keenan Allen, he did the right thing. There was a report today that Caleb Williams told people to clean up his lockers in a Monty tumor. Who cares? Was like, that's, that's not his job. I thought it was being a leader. This is, we're already, we're already in tear down Caleb Williams territory. That's fine. I'm, I'm gonna enjoy the hall of Fame game. I'm gonna enjoy Tyson Bagen. There's some, you know, all time bears going into the hall of Fame this weekend. It's gonna be great. So it's, it's, it's. The hall of Fame game means absolutely nothing. They've completely bastardized it where you don't even get the first stringers playing for a second. But I'm not gonna let anyone yuck my yum today.

The hall of Fame game. It is technically football. That should be the slogan of it. And we've made it. Listen, we, we did a great job pretending to get excited about the Olympics this summer. We got into the Copa Euros, which was an incredible, just waste of time for us to fast forward through the months of June and July. But the whole reason that those sports exist is so that we can get back to the hall of fame game, and we're there now. I'm so thankful. I'm curious to see. I don't, I'm not in front of a tv right now. I'm in Columbus, Ohio. Shout out. Shout out. Scully's. Scully's music. Diner pop punk's playing tonight. Friday should be a great time, but I don't have a tv in front of me. Are any of the players choosing to wear the Guardian caps, the giant things on their homework that Roger Goodell said?

We don't know yet. We don't know yet because there's about to take the field. But, yeah, they're allowed to wear the Guardian cap during the regular season, too. I likened it to John old root. It's going to be a John ol route situation where he wore the batting helmet playing first base. Looks like right now, I. I feel like no one's going to wear the guardian cap. Right. That's just not.

I don't think so. I think Roger Goodell was like, tell you what, in the, in the effort of player safety, I will allow you to wear a giant helmet that makes you look like a clown.

Yeah.

And no one's going to do it. And then Roger Goodell could be like, oh, I gave them the option of wearing the big red clown nose on their face, but they chose not to do it. I guess they don't care about player safety. Let's do 19 games.

Yeah. The only time I could see someone wearing a guardian cap is like, getting concussed in the game somehow passing the test and the doctors being like, you know what? Just put this thing on. You'll be fine.

Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Did you know that Hank Guardian cap. They can wear it. They can wear it now. All right, other NFL news before we talk about the Olympics. We did a bad job on Monday. We had the takeies on Wednesday. Incredible takeies. Shout out to all the winners. It was a lot of fun to tape to do a little year in review. We forgot to mention that Jordan Love got paid and he made a lot of money and Tua got paid. He made a lot of money and now it feels like we're good with quarterbacks for a little bit.

Yeah, that whole class, they got paid. That's, that's the class you want to be in if you're a quarterback in the NFL. Next up is the Brock Purdy discourse. And we're still on Dak. We're still on Dak watch. So we don't know what's going to happen with that. But yeah, tua got paid. McDaniels is, he apparently went to bat for him saying, hey, we need to pay our quarterback. Great job, Mike McDaniel. And yeah, I don't, it's very weird. I know that you have to pay Jordan love, but he's got like eight games under his belt that he played well in and now he's one of the highest paid players in the league. So I guess we'll see how it shakes out.

No, look, for you, he deserves every dollar that he got. Some may say, you know, paying a 32 year old that much money who's only played eight games, kind of crazy. But I'm not going to judge. They got their guy and he's got at least four or five more years left before he's in his late thirties. What were you just talking about, Hank?

What were you just, Misty McMichael looked like a vibe.

Yeah. Mister McMichael. So, yeah, Steve McMichael, obviously he's got ALS, so he's not there in person, but he's in the hall of fame, deserves it. Mongo. But yeah, the, they're bringing out the hall of famers right now. Pft. So that's what we're watching on our tv. Patrick Willis is getting introduced. Everyone's having, everyone's clapping it up. Caleb Williams is in practice. He was in a jersey and pads for practice reps, I believe, because now he's in a t shirt kind of like that. Mister McMichael, she's got a, she's got the orange dress on. She looks good.

So in hall of Fame news, I'm, I'm a little bit upset at the hall of Fame and their sculptor, the guy that does the bus, because they didn't make Peyton Manning's forehead nearly big enough. Yeah, I feel like. I feel like Peyton told them, hey, lower the hairline. A little bit of take it easy on my forehead. It's not realistic. So I've got a. I've got a little bit of a problem with that.

Yes, I'd agree. All right. Only other football news is there's. We're starting with injuries, which suck in training camp. Injuries have started to happen. Justin Herbert is out till at least week one, and DeAndre Hopkins is out for four to six weeks. So I fucking hate sharing training camp injuries. They make me so Madden. There's nothing worse than getting that, chef. They're alert when you're sitting, minding your own business in the middle of August, and you're like, God damn it, we didn't even get to the season.

And Deontay Foreman got airlifted on a helicopter to Roanoke for. For a head injury. But I think he's okay. That that happened during kickoff drills. They were doing a kickoff drill at practice, and I guess he took a shot to the head. But I want to know if you gave Jim Harbaugh truth serum, what he thinks about his quarterback being out for weeks with a foot injury. Um.

Oh, that's a good question. I think I feel like Jim Harper's put. Well, no, he's. He's a football guy through and through. I would say maybe the good news is that you'll see less highlights of Quentin Johnson dropping balls, because that was all of twitter for an entire day. Yeah, yeah. He'll be okay. Justin Herbert will be fine. They're rebuilding something in, I was about to say San Diego laden and Jim Harbaugh. He's going to win. That's all he does. He wins everywhere he goes.

He's going to. He's going to figure out a way to win. But I can imagine him seeing his quarterback with a foot injury and being like, your foot's a long way from your heart, son. You just cut it off. He probably have him do the JJ McCarthy stuff. Just like, take your shoes off and ground yourself every morning. It sounds like you're depressed.

Yeah. Yeah. All right, so other things. Olympics. We have the Olympics going on. Team USA, Steve Curran and all time whoops. I. I feel bad. And Jason Tatum is probably going to quit. The team started. Jason Tatum against South Sudan.

Huge game for Jason.

Yeah. Do you think that was an overcompensation? A little bit, Hank?

No, it's probably just the matchups oh, the matchups.

Yeah, yeah, the matchups. We also had Steve Kerr shout out, Steve Kerr. Cause I am now convinced he's just doing it for us. Jason Tatum played zero minutes in the first game. Joe Ombid played zero minutes in the second game. Thank you, Steve Kerr. You're just giving us stuff to talk about in the middle of August. We do have Max who the reports were that he got arrested in Paris. He did not get arrested in Paris. Yeah, there was a. There was a photoshop going around that he got arrested for eating too many craps. Crepes.

Just pained.

Yeah, he was detained for eating too many crepes. They said they never seen a brat. Yeah, they've never seen a man eat so many crepes. So they had to lock him up. Did not get arrested, but he did give us a video. He's. He will be back with us in flesh for the start of grit week, which starts on Sunday. Oh, Joe. Big, big, big head picture. I'm going to get it right now. Hold on.

The first big head Joe buck picture of the season. I have not seen this video from Max yet, but I'm interested to see what he says, because Hank's spin zone and Max's spin zone for the first game were entirely different on what they have to be right now. You guys just flip flop places. So, Hank, you were saying that at least Jason Tatum got minutes, whereas loser Embiid couldn't even get in at all. And then Max said, yeah, well, I'd rather he be rested than get in and look bad. So how are you guys going to flip flop your excuses?

Let's see what Max has to say.

Okay? Yeah, let's see what Max has to say.

All right, let's talk Team USA. Let's talk Joel Embiid. I'm sure all the people that are listening to this right now have just heard big cat and PFT, and Hank just spew a bunch of bullshit, a bunch of propaganda, anti Joel Embiid propaganda that wants the listener to think that Joel Embiid didn't play today or yesterday or whatever day this would be, because he's not a good player. That's not the case. It's Team USA. They got the best players in the world. They have the ability to give guys rest. As far as matchups go, South Sudan, not the best matchup for Joel Embiid. They're a small team. They like to go run and gun. Joel Embiid is a bigger player. He's not as fast as some of the other guys. So they're giving him an off day. He's going to be in the starting lineup against Puerto Rico. He's still the top three player on this team. Steve Curry said that himself. Sometimes there's matchup things and guys who don't know ball are going to try and criticize Joel Embiid for being a different matchup for this South Sudan team. But that's all part, that's all part of the game plan.

Some people don't know game plan. And I know that the hosts of this show are going to be slandering a man for no reason just because they don't know ball sometimes about game plan. He's going to drop 30 against Puerto Rico.

Oh, memes. So, so back us up, memes. We, we've, for the last two episodes, we've had Max send you videos without us seeing it. So we would see it for the first time as the same time as awls. Is that a fact?

That's a fact.

Okay, so me thinks the lady doth protest too much because Max just went in an entire rant about us slandering Joel beat. And we didn't say one bad thing. Nope. We didn't even address. We basically just said, oh, yeah, he didn't play any minutes. And then he just went into this whole thing about they are going to say he's a bad player and that he's slow and he's fat and it's, it's all matchups. We didn't say anything. Pft.

I didn't even think about Joel Embiid being fat. But Max makes a pretty good point that we should probably talk about that shape.

I actually agree with him for once. Like, the matchup thing is a valid point. My only takeaway from that was just Joel Embiid is slow.

Yeah, Joel Embiid is slow. And speed is actually important. And when you're playing sports.

Yeah.

And listen, South Sudan players are faster than NBA players.

Yes.

Was the takeaway there.

I think Steve Curtis, being a good coach, he knows that Joel Embiid can't match up against South Sudan. Well, yeah. So they're, they're a dynamic group of playmakers over there. So, you know, maybe we'll get them back in against Puerto Rico. I don't know how those matchups look, though.

Yeah, we'll have to, we'll have to dive into the matchups. Hopefully they have a big fat guy that Joel and B can, can play against.

I'm going to wait for AI al Michaels. Tell me what to think. I've been watching his recaps in the morning. It is very creepy.

It's so weird. It's so weird. We also had the women's, our Olympic or, sorry, our gymnastics team dominated again. Simone Biles is the goat. She's incredible. I think KD even said that she thinks, he thinks that Simone Biles could take an alley oop like she dunk on it on a ten foot rim. But yeah, she, like, we just dominate that and I think we're back, we're back in a good spot in the medal count.

Yeah, we're good. We're, we're dominating the silvers. We are the absolute kings of silver right now.

Yeah.

So I don't know if we're dominating the golds, but yeah, the gymnastics team. Awesome. The men's gymnastics, they got a bronze. And they were really happy about that. So I'm happy for the guy that looks like Robbie Fox.

Yeah, good for him. Got engaged and won a bronze. Yeah. No, the china still is leading us in gold. We gotta, we gotta get that. Also. We haven't gotten to the track and field yet. I feel like every day I wake up, China is dominating like air pistols. And what else they've been dominating, I don't even know.

I think it's disgusting that the United States can't win at shooting.

Yeah.

That's our sport.

It should be. It should be something we excel at. Did you also see.

Whoa. First new kickoff.

First new kickoff going right now. Pft. It's crazy. What have they done to our game? Sam Schwartzean has ruined football for all of us. I actually think this will be a good rule. Once we, once we, once we get used to it, there's probably going to be more kickoffs returned and it's going to be more exciting. So I'm excited for it.

When the XFL did it, they used to have the flags that the refs would raise.

Right.

And I don't like introducing like a new prop for the refs to be using, but they got rid of those. So I think the kickoffs gonna be good just so that we can watch. Dumb coaches screwed up and the Bears.

Just covered the kickoff perfectly. So one and o on kickoffs for the Bears, we looked awesome. Got him down at the 26, which I think if you kick it out of the landing zone, where does it go? Goes somewhere. 35. We should probably brush up on 30.

Yeah, I think it's a 30. I think they changed it to 30, but yeah, when we do our. Whose team is this guy on now? Update. We should also do a rules update.

Let's just remind everyone it's still preseason for us. So I use the preseason to get myself warmed up for the season. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna let myself be belittled by any new rules or any new people. I'm. The preseason is. Is there for a reason. We all need our reps. We're getting some right now. Feels good.

It feels great.

So the only. So Katie Ledecky won a bunch. Our gymnastics team won everything. And then did you guys see the craziest there was? I think it was the ping pong final. It was older brother versus younger brother, which was nuts.

That. That's wild.

Yeah.

How.

What do you mean? They were on the scene. They were in the same country. Like, there's multiple participants. All right, I gotta find a fact check this. Talk. Talk amongst yourself. Why? Fact check this.

So you're saying that there's a bracket, basically multiple Olympics, or is this, like.

Yes.

Was it 30 for 30?

Okay.

Two basketball players.

This is the two escobars.

No, no, no. Eastern european.

Alexis and Felix. Lebron Francis. Olympic brothers. So they played. It might not have been for the gold medal match, but they played. And I saw the younger brother lost. Brutal. He was crying as the older brother was celebrating. That's one where you got to root for the younger brother. Right.

Because it's like the heart. The harbor Super bowl.

Yeah. The older brother stood up on the table and, like, cheered and was going nuts. And the younger brother was just crying into his shirt. But I thought that was pretty cool. The brothers are playing.

Like, if I.

They should have played it in their mom's basement. That's the only. That was my only critique.

If the younger brother wins, then that is. That's devastating for the older brother. At least this way, it's the older brother keeps up, because I'm sure that when there were kids, the older brother would win every single time they played.

Right. Although, is ping pong one of those sports that, like, age matters? Probably not, right?

I don't think so.

Table tennis? Yeah.

Oh, there's a lot of running.

Table tennis. That's what we got to call it. Table tennis. I'm not calling it table tennis. Okay. Any other Olympic story, Scotty Shepler had a weird quote where he's just like, we're all, no one's gonna remember us anyway. When they were asking about his Olympic legacy, he said that. Said, no one's gonna remember us anyway.

It's kind of true when it comes to golf. In the Olympics.

Yeah. Yeah.

Name one golf Olympic moment ever.

Xander wearing white sneakers. There's a moment.

Yeah. Electric. Who could forget?

Yeah.

Do we want to talk about boxers and which gender they were assigned at birth?

I don't really care to, but we can if you want to.

I just want to make you uncomfortable. This is why.

This is why you want to talk about it. Go on.

I just knew that. I just knew that you didn't. I do. Why the original?

Do you usually.

Why the original? I'm trying to. The original I got.

Publicly because I don't know enough.

Anything. Yeah.

No, I'm just saying this is why the original Olympics had them. Everyone competing completely nude back in ancient Greece.

That's.

That's when sports were sports.

But what's your take?

My take is that I don't know shit about what's going on right now, so I'm just gonna sit back and not pretend to care about women's boxing at the olympics.

Yeah, I agree. I asked for someone to explain to me, like a five year old, and I had, like, 400 replies in the first two minutes, and every single reply was different facts. I was like, well, this isn't gonna work. I'm out. I'm out on this course.

For my limited reading, it comes down to a big beef between the IOC and then the IBF, which is a boxing governing body that has actual beef with the people on the IOC. It's like a personal dispute as to who ruled her to be having, like, too many. Either it was chromosomes or testosterone to compete. That was the IBF that said that. But they won't say what the test was. Now the IOC says they're full of shit. It's just we stumbled onto a turf war between two sports governing bodies.

Yeah, I like to keep sports fun, and when I saw this pop up, I was like, well, this doesn't seem fun at all. And I'm out. I'm going to watch the Olympics to watch sports that I never watch and kind of care about the US winning. And if they don't win, I will say the Olympics are dumb. That's how I consume the Olympics. Nothing.

I want to hear Hank's take.

Oh, go ahead, Hank.

Do. Do actually want to hear my take that I.

Sure.

No, I know. I agree with the sports fun. This is obviously a sensitive subject for a lot of people. I. From my limited reading, she was born a female and identified as a female. Just because she has some extra testosterone doesn't mean she shouldn't be fighting other females. And she's like nine and six or whatever.

Professional. Yeah, yeah. There was actually there, like, there's that.

When the stories happen in sports, like, I think it's like swimming or track and field with people that were born male and transition way different. And that's when this story came across. It read like that, where I was like, someone that was a man transitioned and now fighting in women's boxing, but it's like, that's not really the case.

Yeah, right.

Which I think we can all agree that if there's a man that is competing, punching women in the face, that's bad.

That's very bad.

But it's. And also, Algeria doesn't seem like the most friendly country towards gender reassignment surgery. So it's probably a case where she was born as a female, always identified as a female. And then there was a ruling by the IBF that she had something extra that we don't know what it was.

The. The best. The best thing that came out of this, though, was this. This Twitter exchange. I'll read to you guys. This woman, Amy Broadhurst, wrote, have a lot of people texting me over. Iman Keyliffe. Personally, I don't think she has done anything to cheat. I think it's the way she was born and that's out of her control. The fact that she has been beating. Beaten by nine females before says it all. Then someone named Ben Hyde replied, what would your reaction have been if you were supposed to fight Keyleth? Amy, I have great respect for your boxing legacy, but you've missed the mark here. Agreed. The way your born is out of your control, but it's a clear advantage and shouldn't be allowed. And then someone replied, amy Broadhurst did fight Iman Keyleth in the 2022 world championship final. She won. So, like, the people just spouting off left and right about shit they don't know about. This guy tried to correct someone who actually fought this woman and then was like, what? What are we doing here? So, yeah, the whole thing is. Yeah, it's. It's. It's been quite, quite the day on online, watching the discourse fly back and forth.

It's a disgrace. The ancient Greeks who embraced very strict traditional gender and sexuality rules.

Correct.

As we all know.

Correct. Oh, I had one last Scotty Sheffer thing for you guys. He was asked in an interview at the Olympics, do you ever go and just look at all your trophies? Would it give you a big head? And he responded, yeah, probably would. I don't think I've ever done that. I think one time this year I took, like, a trophy. I took my green jacket in the plaid jacket, and I think I held, like, the players trophy in one hand, and I had another trophy in the other hand and walked in the living room and said, sup, mayor? To his wife. That's. That's the extent of Scottie Scheffler getting a big head, just wearing his. All the things he's won and just saying what's up to his wife in the. Probably trying to follow. Yeah. And probably trying to fuck, which, like, yeah, good for you, dude. You put on the green jacket and be like, what's up? You feeling it?

The green. Wear the green jacket and only the green jacket.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Anything else? Mike Trout's out for the year. Good job. Pft, drafting.

I'm aware. Dingers only. Well, that means. That means I get a sub for Mike Trout.

Yes.

Because the IR pedophilia list.

Yes.

So I will be making my choice, I believe, tomorrow about that.

Okay, so, yeah. The strategy of drafting half your team already injured is you're nothing unintentionally, because.

Mike Trout had just gotten hurt when I drafted him.

Yeah, he's been hurt for a while.

Yeah. Mike Trout, I forgot about. I'll be honest. But there was another guy that was hurt that just got her.

Yeah, I think John Carlos.

Yeah.

All right. The Bears just gave up an opening drive. That's not good there. They suck. Season's over. Anything else for Olympics? Huey? Did you have any Olympic stories?

No. Basketball is pretty quiet.

I. Our three on three team sucks.

Yeah.

God, they're the worst. They're owing three.

Should get chase Buddinger in there.

Yeah. Who's really good volleyball player. Really good volleyball player.

We got Jimmer playing.

Jimmer was hurt today. We lost the Lithuania. We're owing three.

We would have beaten with Jimmer.

Yeah, but we also. Maybe not because we lost the first two games of Jimmer, so we just.

Yeah, but Jimmer matches up well against Lithuania.

Yeah, we just suck. Okay, let's get to our Mount Rushmore. Very fun. Mount Rushmore. I actually dubbed it in the ad. Coming up, my favorite Mount Rushmore we've done this season because it was very open ended. So let's kick to the Mount Rushmore before we get to our Mount Rushmore. Pardon my take is brought to you by our friends at game time, the exclusive ticketing partner of Barstool Sports. As you know, you can get tickets to Cubs Cardinals this weekend for $40. That's right, with game time the official ticketing partner bar stool sports you shouldn't have to worry when you buy tickets to your next big event. Game time is a fast and easy way to buy tickets to all the sports, music, comedy and theater events near you. They have flash deals for sudden discounts, zone deals for when you're feeling flexible, and their lowest price guarantee means that if you can find the same seats for less anywhere else, game time will credit you 110% of the difference. Game time is the best place for last minute seats with up to 60% off your favorite events. What are you waiting for? I'm going to buy those Cubs Cardinals tickets for $40 right now.

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Okay, here's our Mount Rushmore. Okay, last mount Rushmore before we head out for grit week. Max, you are up first. Yep, and we're doing a very open ended one. Should be a fun one. Dumb things we used to think, so let's not put it on. It doesn't have to be as a kid. It can just be because, like, Hank probably has one from like, last week. He didn't know humans were animals. Dumb things you used to think meatballs, meatballs meatballs are the only food.

Okay. I was. I was thinking of this more as a kid.

I have mostly as kid, but I'm just saying, if you have something, he's like, oh, I I thought this when I was 20. I don't think we should take it away. Yeah, I have. Yeah. Almost all kids stuff. Yeah.

No.

I want.

Seriously, I want to hear the stuff that hank, just recently.

Yeah.

Wait, wasn't true.

Hank, you do.

You can do your own Hank.

Put it. Put a star next to that one, and when you say it, let us know that it was the one that literally just popped in your head. Okay. Okay. Love that.

Okay, so I was thinking as a kid. So the first thing is. The easiest one that everyone thought of is that Santa Claus was real.

Mmhmm.

Okay. Spoiler. If you're riding in the child. I'm sorry that they're crying.

Do you guys remember what grade you were in?

Spoiler next.

I remember specifically the moment, because I was the youngest.

Were you eating meatballs?

I had two older.

I had a big plate of meatballs.

I had two older brothers. And, like, I had an. Like a. Like an uncle that had white hair and kind of looked like Santa Claus. So we. We would, like, look out our window some years and see. And, like, see him go around the. Like, in the backyard to, like, sneak in and put the presents under the. Under the tree. So we would always, like, try and catch Santa Claus. And then one year, I turned to my brother, who I shared a room with, who's, like, five years older than me, and I was like. I was like, hey, do you think we're gonna see Santa tonight? And he's like, dude, Santa is Uncle Charlie.

You didn't know that?

And it was, like, the worst moment of my entire life.

Meatballs.

You're like, who was I throwing snowballs at all those years?

We were actually throwing meatballs?

Yeah, those are ice meatballs. Max's. Max's biography.

Yeah.

His life is meatballs. All right, good pick. I'm so excited for whatever Hank's got in his brain right now.

Me too. All right, so I'm up.

Yup.

Okay, I will go with that. If you dug deep enough, you could reach China.

Yep. Had it on the.

I honestly thought that I could. Every kid, and I was probably.

Is that wrong?

Yeah, it's very wrong, because you can't reach.

Like, you would melt before you reach the center of the earth.

Also, we have not even come close to digging to the center of the earth. Yeah.

So I looked this up a couple months ago. It's actually embarrassing.

Yeah.

How shallow the deepest hole ever dug is.

It's like seven and a half miles.

It's. It's ridiculous. We need to. It's Jurassic park. Let's do that. Let's rebuild Titanic. Do Titanic two, and then let's figure out a fucking way to dig more than just 7 miles and yes, the earth.

Yeah. What if it's a fruity center instead?

We don't know what for.

A big gusher.

What if we're filled with cheese?

Would be cool. Would be cool. Okay, good one. These are all very good that I had that as well. And this one, I feel like, is very relatable that everyone probably had. I don't know if it's specific to a sport, but I was. I thought I was going the NBA.

Yeah, that was.

That was. I was. I. I thought that if I just, you know, was in my driveway shooting hoops, someone would come by and be like, damn, that kid. Yeah, sign him up.

I was like that with baseball. Yeah, I. That was. That was my career. I was gonna be baseball.

Or.

Yeah, I was like, I'll be a baseball player. If not, I'll just do basketball.

I had a really depressing conversation with Titus the other day, because it dawned on me that, like, all of us sitting in this room, Max, maybe because he played college ball.

Yeah, mine was much later.

Yeah, later. Like, my. My realization I wasn't going to the NBA was, like, maybe ten years old. Like, when you look around, you're like, oh, I'm the fifth best player on my team. And there's. How many teams? I asked Titus that, and he's like, yeah, actually, I really struggled with that because I thought I was going the NBA till I was, like, a senior in high school. And like, that's. I was like, damn, that actually probably really, really sucks.

And there's probably a piece of him that going into college was like, well, maybe, yeah, if I work hard enough.

Yeah.

But, like, Mike Conley, Greg Odin. Yeah, we're all going to be in the NBA.

He said he was six'four when he was in 8th grade, and he never grew again, so it's like, it kind of fucked him. But I. Yeah, like, normal kids, I think they all have the same thing where, you know, they're 8910, they're like, damn, I'm doing it. I'm gonna go to the league. And then you have that moment where, like, no, no, I'm not. Yeah, that hurts. Hurts a lot. But I thought that for a while, as always, we all did.

I will go, this is. This is the recent one.

This is a recent one. All right.

Kissing equals sex.

Oh, okay. So you just found that out.

That's not the recent one, but that I thought for a long time.

That's how you thought babies were made.

Great.

Yeah, yeah.

Great one.

Like, whether you say sexual, they're kissing. That's.

I was like, oh, they're naked kissing.

That's it.

Because you would watch a movie and they would. Whatever.

Yes. Yes.

They french kissed.

That's a good one.

And then I will go with, if you fell through a cloud, you'd come out soaking wet.

Mmm.

That's not true.

No.

Yeah, I don't.

I don't know.

I feel like that k. That picture.

And count, like, what if it's raining?

I feel like. Is that not true?

Like, I always thought that if you fell through a cloud.

Same.

Then all the water would just fall, same.

Oh, you thought that you would pierce the cloud and then the cloud.

Water balloon.

Okay.

Basically falling water balloon and some pop.

Yeah, but I think that.

I still think that's true.

No, because if you fly through clouds, the plane doesn't come out wet.

Are you sure?

Yeah, sometimes, right? Yes, I'm.

Only if you're underneath.

Well, if you run. If you run through fog, like really dense fog, you get moist. Right.

I was thinking. I was like. My thing was the water.

I just thought of another one skydiving.

And fell and fell through a cloud that it would just pop.

The entire cloud would expand, then water.

Would just fall everywhere.

Yeah.

I just literally just triggered that. Okay. Yeah. So I'll go with this next pick because I. Your. Your thought.

Can I specify that if you felt through a cloud that it would pop?

Yeah.

Make it make more sense.

Yeah, because I had to double check because I. I guess maybe I still thought. A small part of me thought this was real till right this second. But if you're an elevator and it falls and you jump at the end, you survive.

You can be safe.

Yeah, that's not. That's. That's true.

No, I just looked it up.

It's not true. That's what I'm saying. I thought that as a kid. I haven't thought about it for a long time, but I was like, I got to double check because. Wait, is it true? It's not.

It's not.

You would die.

Yeah. Rip. Great. Grandpa.

That's my pick. I.

Well, he was underneath elevator.

Yeah.

Shouldn't have been there.

Yeah.

Gotta ask. Provocation.

What was he doing? Was he doing at the bottom of that elevator?

Fuck was he doing under that elevator? Yeah.

One place you don't want to be.

I definitely thought that maybe a little bit of thought that till now. Just kind of like. I still think you're wrong about the cloud thing, but this is good. We're learning to learning today. So that's my next pick.

Okay. This is tough. There's a lot of good ones on the board right now.

I used to be all. Yeah, very, very.

Dogs are very personal.

Yeah. They're very personal. Yeah.

Okay. I used to think that when you'd watch a rerun of a show on tv that it was an all new taping of the exact same script.

That's good.

So I thought that. I thought that, like, I'd be watching saved by the bell and I.

Then my live music.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. They're doing the same song, but they're just taping it again for us. Yeah, casting live.

Very dumb.

Yeah, very dumb.

Very dumb. Yeah.

September 1997 Fresh Princes.

Yeah.

The best one.

Very, very good. Okay.

What's your favorite version of the September 1997 Fresh Prince?

Yeah. Max.

If you eat a watermelon seed, it'll grow in your stomach.

Yeah.

Yeah. That one again. That's. That's definitely in the list of. I don't know. I'm not 100% sure on that one.

Yep. And I. I, like, remember this as a kid one time searching for this, that there was a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Yeah, yeah. So you're looking for parents to drive towards the end of the rainbow.

Yeah, yeah. That's good. That's good. Okay. Pft. Back to you.

I'm gonna say. I used to think that they sold marijuana and cocaine at drugstores.

Mmm.

So we'd be driving past.

You're never a drug guy.

No. We'd be driving past the store and I'd be like, dad, why? Why do they sell drugs at that store? Shouldn't they be arrested and be like, no, it's a. It's a different kind of drugstore.

Yeah.

It's legal drugs.

Yeah, Kratom.

It's the drugs that. Yeah, that will be illegal soon. That's what they saw there.

Yeah. Okay, good pick. I have one that's a little bit older than just kid. It's more teenage, but again, I think it's relatable. I think everyone had this moment in their life. I used to think that my parents had no idea when I was hired drunk. And they always knew, always fucking knew. Like, you remember just coming home and being like, I. I played that off perfectly. Yeah, no chances. You played off perfectly because, like, being older and see. And being sober around drunk people, you always know when someone's drunk. Yeah.

I thought that my mom had no idea that I threw up three times in my room one night, and she came in the next day, and she was talking about how it smelled like cologne.

Yeah.

And I was like, I. Yep. She bought it. She, like, she thinks it's the cologne.

Reeking like weed and being like, damn, I'm suave. They had no idea. Get some old spice on this thing. Good, Hank. I'm sure you had it. Or did you. Do you still think your parents didn't know?

Oh, no, they knew because, I mean.

Credit, like, I don't know how you. How. It was like, my parents were, at least as long as I was home safe, they weren't gonna, like, be like, you're drunk. Yeah. In my head, I was like, I'm good.

You know, I just got in trouble so many times that it got to a point where as long as I wasn't super fucked up.

Yeah.

I'd be like, I got away.

Yeah.

I'm not talking about, like, there's been super fucked up time. I'm talking about, like, that middle zone where it's like, you're fucked up, and you think that you're pulling it off. You're never.

What you learn is that your parents just don't want to deal with it.

Yeah. They just want you to get home safely.

Yeah, that's it. Okay. You're home. I don't want to make a thing.

It was as long as I never got caught in the act. I got caught, like, throwing up a couple times, and that was always a big problem. I would always try and make an excuse and say it was somebody else.

Always, there was someone else.

I threw up in my room, and I, like, took a shower at, like, 04:00 in the morning, and my dad came up and was like, why is there puke in your room? And I was like, it wasn't me.

Someone else.

Literally the only person there.

Someone else's beer. Yeah.

One time, my parents found a empty case of natural light in my room, and I just stared at it, and I tried to think of a lie, and after about, like, 5 seconds, I just looked at most. I got. I got nothing.

Yeah. Yeah.

You just.

I just blame it on a friend, and they'd be like, why are you carrying these beers? Oh, it's someone else's. What? What? That makes it and then you think of your head like, I got fucking. Wow. What a. What a what? I'm like, what's the guy's name? And catch me if you can. Frank Abigail. I'm Frank Abingdon.

That's what Michael Irvin did with the cops. He was like, this isn't. It's not my pipe. I'm. I'm holding it for a friend who recently asked me to help him quit smoking.

Yes.

So I took it from him, and then I put it under my seat.

I got caught with a fan in the kitchen one time because I was smoking weed, and I, like, coughed, and I was like, I think if I fan out the air where I just coughed out the window, it'll be fine. And then my parents were like, why is there a fan in the kitchen? And then I just was so high. Just looked at them.

I was like, the worst one I got was I got caught with the. I don't know if you guys used to do this back in the day. The paper towel roll splutter. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no. I'm not even talking about. Are you talking about, like, the dryer sheets? Yeah, I'm talking about making a bowl out of the paper towel bowl. I would do the top little tinfoil. Punch the holes into the tin foil, and then you put your hand over it, you smoke it, and then you let your hand off. They just found a huge paper towel roll with a hole on top with. With tin foil. And they're like, what?

They have any idea?

It's like, no, it's, uh, science project or some shit.

I was an apple guy.

You're an apple guy?

Apple guy.

We used to go to the store can. You can soda can, like, crunch it up. Yeah. We go to the store, we would buy, like, a 20 ounce plastic bottle, some bic ballpoint pens, and then nestle crunch bar. Because it had tinfoil.

Yeah.

And so we were like, macGyver.

Yeah.

Like, you just. You put me in a store, and I'll figure out how to make a bone.

I use pop tarts.

Someone told me that.

Bible.

Bible paper you could smoke.

That's crazy. That's crazy.

We should make a gravity bong.

No, that worst feeling in the old school.

We should make. Oh, yeah.

After a gravity bong, there's no worse feeling than being so high after a gravity.

And there's nothing you could do about it.

Panic. It's panic.

We could turn the bed of my El Camino into a giant gravity bomb.

I'm down.

Be sick.

A bathtub gravity bomb.

That's what it was when I got with the fan.

Here's what we do. We fill up the El Camino with water, like one of those Philly dumpsters that they hang out in, and. And then we get, like, a giant recycling bin, and we put a hole in the top of it.

I love it.

Press it down. Biggest hits out of it.

Love it.

I used to, like, hide, obviously, like, vodka and water bottles. And that's how we could kind of, like, you know, bring it in and out, in and out of the house. And one time, my mom replaced the booze with, like, laundry detergent or, like, bubble some, like, dish soap, like, clear dish soap. And I drank the whole thing, and I legit burped a bubble. Was like, I think she got you. Yeah, she got me bad.

Yeah.

And then the other worst one, this was. This was. This is by far the worst of, like, I thought I got away with it. I would have this, you know, the. The spoof with the dryer sheets in it in my bathroom that didn't have windows. And I did this one time because I thought it would work. Turn the shower. Hot towel on the door. And then there was a ventilator. So I was like, all the smokes going up there. I'll smoke, like, a little. A little bowl before blow in the thing, and then I'll be in the shower for, like, 20 minutes. So by the time I'm out, the, you know, condensation has washed it out. That vent went straight to my basement. So I walked out into, like, my dining room. My parents were just like, what were you doing? I was like, oh, what's up, guys? They're like, you know that vent goes to the basement? Oh.

That'S so good.

That was great. Little tangent.

I think it's. I think an awl sent me this one. So shout out that guy. The. The Mount Rushmore topic I can't remember. I'm pretty sure. So I apologize. That person. Shout out you. You know who you are. All right, so you have two picks.

All right, I will go with. Girls pee from their butt.

Yep.

Okay.

And this was the recent one. That blind drive signs meant that a blind person lived there.

Mmm.

I learned that in my twenties.

Wait, where it says, like, blind.

Blind drive.

What about blind.

Oh, yeah, that's not.

I'm thinking blind pedestrian. Blind pedestrian crossing means that there is a blind person, but blind drive means that you just can't see the driveway.

I always thought that meant that a.

Blind person lives there and they drive there.

All right. I have one more. This one's very dominant. It comes from something you're told as a kid than I just assumed. I thought my balls. My testicles were play doh. So when my parents told me, don't eat playdough, I thought they were trying to be like, hey, don't eat play doh. Cause your balls will just get bigger because it will just go right to your balls. I thought my balls were play doh.

That would ride.

You just don't know what they are when you're a little kid and you start like, that first time, way before puberty, and you, like, so touching me like, this is weird.

Mm hmm.

Like, oh, must be play doh. That's why they tell me not to eat play doh.

That's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one. This is my last pick.

Yeah.

Okay. Last pick. I will go. I I honestly used to think that every adult was smart.

Yeah.

I thought if you were grown up.

Yeah.

You knew what was going on.

Yeah. They kind of lied to you.

Like, you understood it.

Yeah.

And then you grow up and you're.

Like, we're all done.

No, we're all really fucking dumb.

Yeah. Yeah. You don't know.

I was probably smarter when I was a kid than I am now.

I was definitely more intellectually curious.

Yeah.

I was definitely asked better questions.

Yep.

And, like, had a more. A mind that was, like, trying to figure things out instead of just being like, oh, that's what it is. Yeah.

But if an adult said something, it's like, yeah, no, they're right there. An adult.

Yeah. Because most grown up told me either our bullshit, like, those. They'll. They'll answer something just because they don't want to be wrong with little kid or I. They just say it is what it is. Or.

Yeah. Or they're very confident and not smart at all. Yeah, those are ones that you want to watch out for.

I need a new. I need a new fact. Because, like, my kids always say when I. When I tell them plans, I try to tell them the plans so they know what's coming, and they'll be like, we know that already. So then I was like, well, how about this? Did you know the peregrine falcons, the fastest animal? And that blew their mind? But I don't have a second one.

Another fun, like an animal fact or.

Any fact in general. That's the extent of my knowledge.

You can always go, I don't have anything.

I'm confident.

Did you know that Detroit's further east than Atlanta?

Yeah. Okay, that one's good. Yeah. Human head weights, eight pounds.

Yeah, going to.

Okay. All right, Max, your last one, teachers lived at school. Yeah.

Good pick.

Great one.

Also, big guy you go with, did you know that Clay Thompson's last game with the warriors, he went over ten?

Yeah, true.

Yeah, but that's a good pickbacks. Had that on my list. I thought about that one.

Yeah. Also, nothing worse. When you, the once a year you called your teacher mom.

Yeah, I thought about that. I thought about. So when I thought of teacher lived at school, I thought about that as well. And I was like, I don't know how to do that.

All right. What other ones I had, I thought, cuz this is like when technology was, you know, before the Internet, everything. I thought my game Boy controlled the airplane. Yeah. That's why they told you to turn it off. Mm hmm. So I thought like they're like, turn it off because if you hit left here when you're playing, you know, Tetris, it's gonna go, the plane's gonna go left.

Yeah.

I also thought a million dollars was the most amount of money you could have.

You max out.

Like when you get a million dollars, you're set for life. When. Yeah. Nothing else, like no one will ever. You're just. You retire, if you have a million dollars, boom, you're done. You retire at the age of seven.

I thought that. I thought I was an elf when I was a kid.

Who.

I thought, cuz I pointy ears, I saw myself the mirror one time was like, fuck small, I might be an elf.

That's tough.

I used to think you actually won the money when you get a pop up on your computer.

Yeah, yeah. Scams. Yep.

I also, in that same vein, thought there was no correlation between what I was downloading on Limewire and my computers crashing.

Yep. Yep.

Oh, I mean, yeah, you could have, you could have a long conversation about songs that you thought were other band songs.

Yeah.

I thought dispatch wrote crazy game of poker.

Oh.

I mean, every 50 cent song was a soulja boy. Every song was.

Any others backs that you had?

Duct tape was duck do you seek like it was ducks made out.

Yucks. Oh, that's interesting.

I swear it's called duct tape.

Yeah.

The only reason that kids had glasses was because they didn't eat enough carrots.

Yes, carrots are big times. The night vision. Yeah.

Also off of vision, if you said if you sit too close to the tv, you'll go blind.

Oh, the other one, the. If someone slaps you in the. In the back when you're making a face, you're stuck with that face for the rest of your life.

Mm hmm.

That was a big one.

If you take a shower during a lightning storm, you'll get electrocuted.

Yeah.

I thought chocolate milk came from brown cows.

Okay. Through 17. Yeah.

I was up north driving past a brown cow, and I pointed to my cousin. I said, you know, chocolate milk comes from those. And he said, what the fuck are you talking about? I said, okay, I'm sorry. I should have known that.

I should have known that.

Where did you think strawberry milk came from?

I knew that was artificial.

Okay.

I thought the truck. The brown was in the cow.

Yeah.

You know, and got mixed.

I don't know.

Okay.

I used to think I was gonna be 6ft tall, because sometimes you go to a doctor and they're like, okay, you're. You're projected to grow this tall thought would be 6ft tall. I used to think OJ was innocent. I swore OJ was innocent up and down.

Yeah.

I was. I was so happy when they found him not guilty.

I. When. When video games, like, first started getting good, like, so this is when a PlayStation come out. PlayStation was like, late nineties, right? I thought that I would. Because, like, my. My parents, like, you can't play video games during the week. I thought that I was pulling it off when, like, my mom would walk in the room and I was playing like, two k or Madden, and I was like, it's not a video game. I'm watching the game.

I'm watching sports.

Yeah. I thought the graphics were so good and they were so bad. Looking back. Yeah. I was just like, yeah, I got this. She has no idea that these aren't real. Oh, man. So stupid. Just so stupid.

I used to think that if you. If you found the tootsie pop that had the native american shooting a star, you could take it to the gas station. They give you a new one. They give you a free tootsie pop.

Yes. Yes. Hank. What? Any more. Any more recent? I mean, there's definitely some recent, hank.

I would like you to keep a running list, though, of just things that you find out.

Yeah.

Just like things that. That upend small parts of your world.

There's a couple that we have on this Mount Rushmore that I'm still a little 50 50 on elevator crowds.

I think if you jumped high enough.

You might still get 6ft.

Yeah, maybe. I say the chewing I don't want, I get.

What if you swallow it? It stays there forever. That's one that I was seven years.

That was what I was told. Seven years.

Regardless, I still might think that's true.

Yeah. And Hank just swallows all his gum, which is one of the most underrated, not talked about enough stories on. Pardon my take, that every time Hank chews a piece of gummy, swallows it.

I would get, like, the. The cv's bags of gumballs.

That's crazy.

Eat them like, they were just.

That's crazy.

Even to this day, you swallow all your gum.

Yeah. That's fucking.

It is nuts.

Crazy.

I. When I was in, like, I don't know how old I was, but whenever you get, like, your first boners as a kid, I thought that meant that I had AIDS.

Yeah.

I thought it was like, oh, I'm sick.

Yeah.

I'm. I don't know. I'm gonna die.

Yeah. Yeah. That was a crazy time. Okay, good, good. Mount Rushmore. That was a fun one. Some good tangents. Before we get to our interview with Matt Damon and Casey Affleck, we're going to talk about their new movie, the Instigators. It's a hilarious Apple original film starring Matt Damon and Casey Affleck about two amateur criminals who are in way over their heads from the director of mister and misses Smith and the Bourne identity. The instigator centers on Rory, an ex marine in the need of cash who reluctantly teams up with an unpredictable ex con named Cobby to pull a simple 15 minutes job robbing the mayor of Boston. Sounds easy, right? Well, when every step of the plan goes haywire, Rory and Cobb find themselves in the midst of a statewide manhunt, running from the police and the criminal underworld alike. With nowhere left to go, the pair turn to the only person they know qualified to handle a crisis, Rory's therapist, played by Hong Chowdez. And you want. You don't want to miss the action packed comedic thrill ride that is the instigators. Rated R. Stream the new film August 9, only on Apple TV.

We're going to talk about it. The movie with them. It's going to. It's. I watched it. We got a preview. It's a great movie. Apple TV has been crushing it. So go watch the instigators on August 9. Only on Apple TV. Okay. We now welcome on two very special guests. It is Matt Damon and Casey Affleck. They have a new movie out called the Instigators. You can watch it on Apple TV. It is an awesome movie. We got a screener. We felt special for it. I guess my first question, though, is, you guys been doing a bunch of interviews today. Is this background like a knuckleball that's thrown at you where you're like, these two idiots are now interviewing us. I don't know how we got this interview, but we're happy to do that.

Everybody's got draftkings behind them so far today. Good.

Every outlet we had, your pr, one of your pr people were like, you guys have the most time with them. We don't know how that happened. And we're just like, oh, shit, we're.

Going to change that, actually.

Yeah, I guess we suck. Yeah. Yeah.

So you've been doing a lot of interviews today. That's. It's always interesting doing these because you were obviously promoting the movie. What's the dumbest question that you've been asked so far? And we'll make sure not to ask that question.

And mostly it's been the answers that are done. The questions have been pretty good, but I don't want to put you guys, make you feel weird or anything, but the last guy that interviewed us was an olympic fencer competing in his third olympics this summer. And just the sweetest guy. Great questions. Really smart, killer athlete. So now we got you and, you know, but come on, you guys got.

40 minutes over here.

Listen, that's not a real sport, let's be honest. Fencing. We're doing fencing.

I don't think you tell him that.

Oh, I would. As long as he didn't have his little. Fencing.

It's not even a real sword.

Yeah, right.

Like a little electronic thing.

It's what? It's one of the oldest sports. It's a great sport. Didn't you see Princess Bride? You didn't like that?

No, Princess Bride was great. That was real sore.

Swords. Yeah, when they start using real swords and fencing, I'll start watching.

Yeah, they used to. Apparently, he was just telling us that, like, we were. He was talking about the equipment, and he said, too many people used to die, so that's why they. They put the thing at the end of the sword.

Now, also, that's saying boxing's not a real sport because they don't use real fists. Like, they got something cushy thing.

Although the fit. That fencing story you just said, matt, that feels like every fencing guy says that to be like, actually, we used to be really tough. Like, you don't realize, like, it was so tough, people died. So I feel like you got duped there. All right, so the movie, though, is awesome. And my first question about the movie is, you guys obviously have done so many things in your career. Is there something specific when you work together and with Ben, where you're like, this is just so much more fun because we're. We're hanging with our friends, and, like, the familiarity of it is just brings you back to early days. Do you have that feeling when you. When you do a movie together?

For sure, yeah. Yeah. But also, it's not only the familiarity. It's, like, the work process. Like, when you go way back with someone, you don't waste any time on diplomacy, which takes up a lot of your day. When you're in an artistic endeavor with a whole group of people, a lot of times you're protecting everybody's feelings, and you're, well, what's the best way I can say this? And when you're with your old friend, you're just like, dude, that sucks, man. We got to do something else. Like, you know, figure it out. Like, and you kind of get to the root of the problem faster. And so much of filmmaking is just problem solving, and so the quicker you can get to. All right, what's the problem? How can we fix it? The more fun it is because you move faster, you're more efficient. Like, there's a better kind of creative momentum. But because you have that foundation, it's like, you know, the problem with doing that with people you don't know is people's feelings get hurt or they feel like there isn't that underlying respect or, you know, when that stuff's just a given. If you've known someone your whole life, it's just like, well, obviously, I love and respect you, but, like, you know, we're lighting money on fire in production right now.

Like, we got to figure this out.

Yeah. Right now, no feelings get hurt. I like that.

It's a fair point. You got the underlying relationship, and you don't have to worry about pretending to be nice or at least just being nice and wasting time doing that. I have a dumb question about just being on a movie set. In general, it does. Ever get boring?

Yeah.

Like, when you're filming a movie, because, like, how much of your day is actually spent doing the work?

Very little. Yeah. And it depends what you think of the work. The time. There's a. There's an old saying. It's. It. What they call is it between action and cut is a take. Right? So there's this old tongue twister saying. It's not the take that takes the time to take the take. It's the time between the take that takes the time to take the take. It's all that time.

I just got hypnotized.

Yeah.

Action. When you're, like, setting things up or thinking about what you want to do next, that's real good time spent sometimes, but it takes up most of the day. And if you added up all the seconds that were spent while the camera was actually rolling, I don't know, what would it be, an hour? You know what I mean? Maybe a couple more during on a ten hour day or something. So most of the time is downtime, and a lot of that time is when other people are doing what they need to do. Like, you do your bit and then they got to move all the equipment and do stuff, and so you got to wait the same way. It's probably boring for the, for the crew. Sometimes when you're, you know, need on take ten of some scene that you're doing and they've heard it a million times and they don't want to, but. So you learn to be patient. You learn to occupy yourself with other things or to, like, use that time to think about what you're going to do next.

Yeah.

Yeah. And I imagine having your friends around, people that you've known a long time, makes, makes all that time a little bit better.

It makes it easy goes on wordle. You try to, like, spend the time, like, catching up with your buddy, and that's over there doing like tetris 6 hours a day.

Wait, what, what is the game you're playing, matt? Is it wordle? Does it take you 6 hours to do wordle?

It does not take me 6 hours to do wordle. No. I usually like, if it's a slow day, if I know it's like a boring day. Like, entrances and exits. Like, sometimes I'll bring my phone and catch up on emails and do stuff and like, ben and I are also, you know, we have this studio, artist equity, and we're. And so that's, that's a bit. It takes a lot of time. Even when I'm not there in the office, there's a lot of stuff that needs to get done, and it's angry birds.

So this movie is great. But when you guys were creating this and coming up with the idea, were you like, hey, we know we can play the hits here because people are going to love us. Back in Boston, you got the heist. It's, it's, you know, a comedy as well. There's got to be a party where you're, like, not playing the hits. But if you guys, if someone said a mad lib like Matt Damon, Casey Affleck, Ben Affleck are doing a heist movie in Boston. And it's funny. It's like, yeah, I'm in. I'm 100% in. I'll watch that all day. Did that go through your thought process, like, we know this is going to be a hit?

No. I wish we'd talk to you back when we were. Yeah, we would have for confidence. No, we. Case wrote the script with Chuck McClain, who's a Boston guy, and there was a lot of work. Once we started figuring out who was going to be in it, there was a lot more work to do. So case and Chuck came back to New York, and we worked with the director. We were locked in a room for three months trying to figure it out. But what we really knew we wanted to do was a movie that was fun and moved fast. Like, had a momentum to it, and that was just really entertaining. That was kind of our, like, midnight run is. Is like the kind of North Star for us for movies like this. It's kind of a perfect movie because it actually has some. Some kind of emotional heft at the end, too. It's like, it really sneaks up on you, but it's really fun throughout the whole movie, and you're, like, with the characters, even when they're bickering and arguing, and. And so that's what we were trying to kind of, like, model the movie on.

And that's kind of really all we were thinking.

It never felt like a layup. It felt like with a clear lane. You know, it was. We. We really wanted to be good, and I actually don't think that everyone's gonna, like, if you made a stinker, people let us know. It's not like, ah, you know, that could just go anyway. Not these days. Like, you gotta make a good movie. People find out about it really quick. Everyone's on social media, and they go, this movie sucks. And nobody goes. So we knew that we had to do something good and doesn't matter who's in it. Just got lucky that we had, like, our director, Doug Liman, but someone great in every single part, like, you know, really experienced comedians and great actors and so kind of supported us.

Do you guys, when you guys are doing movies, I'll start with you, Casey. Like, if you are embarking on a project, how quickly can you tell, like, this is a hit, or this might not be. This might not turn out exactly how I want it to be.

I don't do that. That well. Even when the movie's done. It's hard for me to see exactly. Like, I just get too close to things. So sometimes the movie's over. I'm like, when I see the first cut of a movie, I'm like, oh, man, we didn't do it. It missed. And then people really like it. And then years later, you watch it again and you're like, that was really good. It's pretty good. It takes me a minute and some distance to be able to see a thing that I've been in clearly. And when you're on set and when you're reading it before you get to set, it's just a shot in the dark. I mean, your only guide is like, who are the other people involved? Do I want to work with them? Do I respect them? Do I, like, is this going to be something I can learn on? Is there something I think I can contribute? Whether it turns out is to be good, it's just, there's too many factors. It's out of your control. You can put together, assemble the best people in the planet and still make something that just doesn't work.

So you got to go in focused on the process and letting go of the results in some way.

Yeah.

You talked about some of the great actors that are in this film, and one of my favorites is in here, Paul Walter Hauser. Great actor. Right?

So he's amazing.

So as you're writing this movie, do you envision him in this role or when he was cast in this role, were you like, okay, this is perfect. Had you worked with him before? It just. I'm enthralled with everything that he does. So good.

First thing I'd seen was Blackbird, and it was right when. Before they were casting it. And I was like, that guy's amazing. I said, that is a great performance. Didn't know him. Didn't know anything else about him.

I didn't. I didn't know him. I mean, I'd seen him in jewel and.

That's right.

Yeah. And blackbird and I. But, no, I mean, he just, he's also one of those guys, you know, we've been doing it for a long time and, like, we kind of know how the magic trick's done. And when you see somebody up close who's just a baller, it's just, it's just undeniable. Like, from the second he walked on set and started working, you're like, God, that guy is so freaking good. He really is one of the best actors out there. So, yeah, I'm, you know, we're trying to do something else with him at artists equity now, a project that he wrote. Actually, I want to do as much as I can with him just because I think. I just think he's incredible.

Can I picture.

Can I pitch it to two projects for him that I think you would knock out of the park?

Well, tell him one would be okay.

No, you can. You can steal this. Steal my ip. One would be him playing Andy Reid in the Andy Reid story.

Oh, that's a great idea.

I think. Crush that. And then confederacy dunces. If that movie ever gets made, he needs to play Ignatius.

The Kmart. Hoffman was looking at that for a really long time and got close, I think, a few times. I remember talking to him about it 20 years ago.

I read a few scripts of that and never, never quite as good as the book. But that's a good.

That's a good call to really good calls. And in fact, I'll text Paul when I get home tonight and I'll tell him.

Let him know, I wish I could buy stock and somebody winning best actor at some point. Like, if there was a market out there, I put a lot of money on that guy.

That's a good call. Yeah. That's a very good call.

We should do that. We should create a stock market for. For.

There was something called the Hollywood Exchange for a while. I don't know if you could bet on them being movies you bet on.

Or something, or was HSX.

No. You buy stock in actors and movies and then it goes up and down based on. Not sure what.

But I think that's the hard.

I like that. Yeah, we'll figure out the market for that. I had a question for you. Did you not get invited to do a roast at Tom Brady's thing?

No, I did. I did. That's why I did the voiceover at the beginning, because I couldn't go to LA because I was in New York and I had to go to the Met ball the next.

Oh, what happens?

Is that true? Are you a met gala guy over a Tom Brady guy?

Don't judge him, guys. He likes fashion.

Here's the key to a happy marriage. I would rather be happy than. Right. Okay.

Yeah.

So.

But it is Tom Brady.

It is Tom Brady. And Tom understood. I texted. I texted with him. He invited me to go out. And then. And then it was good that I was able to. There was a. There was a nice little video package they did at the beginning. And so I went to a studio here in New York and did a voiceover for that.

I wasn't invited, if you're curious.

Yeah.

Did you. Did you help Ben?

I was invited to go.

I wasn't invited to roast.

Okay. Yeah. Did. How do you think your brother did?

I actually didn't see it.

Okay, that's good. So you could just say he did well. You could just be like, great job.

I'm sure he did really good.

Yeah, I did.

I'm pretty good at a roast, though. I really kind of roasted matt at his wedding.

Trust me.

You did. What did you say? He killed me.

He did, like, 30 straight minutes of stand up like he was Dave Chappelle or something.

That was my one shot, and I took it.

He just destroyed me in front of, like, my family and friends. It was incredible.

Yeah, you're allowed to do that at a wedding. You're allowed to just, like, you know, just be like, here are you wedding.

Like, we. This was 15 years ago or something, but my wife and I had already been together for ten years, and we had been married for, like, eight of those years, and so it was like, we never. We had run to the courthouse when we got married, and so we never got to have a wedding. So, like, ten years after we met, we decided to do a big wedding. And so it was. So it was kind of a more fun affair. Cause it wasn't like, ah, is it gonna work out? Like, we were already married for a long time, and we just had a big, fun weekend with our friends, and until Casey.

Yeah, you. That was smart of you. Casey, you can't. What's the worst can happen? They're just gonna go back to being married, which they've done for eight years before.

Like, I was very nice about Lucy.

Yeah.

All right, so we're taping this a couple months before it comes out. Do you guys want to give us a prediction on the Celtics season? So, that way, you can either look really smart or really bad.

Yes.

Yes. I'll give you my prediction. Well, my hope is obviously probably what all our hope is, but my prediction is. I mean, ports thing is probably coming back after game four. Did a horn just go outside? Like, shut up, man.

I was inside.

Look, I think we're the best team left. I think we're the deepest team. And if we can stay injury free and if he can come back, I feel like we really should win this thing, and I'm. And I'm hoping that we do. I will be. I will be gutted if we don't, especially after that. You know, we're. We're taping this just that just before game two in the Eastern Conference finals. I didn't love how close the game was at home the other night, but it was a. It was, we definitely stole one back from them. And so it feels like one of those fated years at the moment. But I'm, you know, it'll be. I'll be gutted if we don't win it.

Okay. And Casey, well, you got the wolves or something funny. If you were just like, yeah, wolves in five. No problem.

I want to ask you guys a question. Did you guys see dynasty?

Yes.

Yeah.

You did. Did you feel like it was fair?

No.

No.

Not at all. We ripped it apart. It was, it was a, it was basically Robert Kraft being like, I need more credit for everything that's happened, which is a crazy thing to think about because if you're an owner of a sports team, you are a billionaire, you own the team. You're never going to get as much credit as the quarterback and the coach. But all these guys, they want this credit of being like, I did more than everyone realizes. And in doing that, he ends up kind of looking bad. And he makes like, I think they slanted it so hard against Belichick that everyone who has watched the Patriots the last 20 years are like, this is not how it happened. Like, this is the best coach of all time. What are they talking about? So I think it actually hurt him.

And you think that that agenda came from, from Robert Kraft?

I think Robert Kraft wants to get into the hall of Fame, and I think he kind of overplayed his hand here because they don't let a lot of owners in. Like Jerry Jones just got in, I don't know, like five, six years ago.

How would Robert Kraft not get into the hall of Fame if any other owner is in the hall of Fame?

Well, Matt, I don't know if, you know, the Patriots have been involved in some controversies with the NFL, so that might be why.

Those are fake controversies.

He'll get in. But I think he was trying to basically put out like a documentary, saying, this is all I did. And in watching it, we're just like, what is going on here?

It's hard to do that with a documentary, too, to have an audience watch it and understand exactly what the agenda is as you're watching it, sometimes you go back, you're like, oh, well, it turns out his production company was involved. Yada, yada, yada. As you're watching this, when you see the interviews with Coach Belichick and he looks like he'd be, he'd rather be anywhere else than in that chair answering these questions.

He always looks like that in an.

Interview, but that's a fair point. But I felt like it was, especially in this one. And you. You understand that they shot it during the season while he was an employee of Robert Kraft, who was, like, telling him, hey, go sit for this interview. Because I actually think Belichick would not have sat for any interview with anyone if it was just his own choice.

Right.

But he was kind of made to do it. So, yeah, it kind of ended up, I think, being, like, a little bit more sympathetic towards Belichick and. And that point of view than they wanted it to be.

Yeah. Cause everyone was.

To me about that, like, one of the details was that him and ernie figured out, like, saw that Drew Bledsoe was getting nervous, getting, like, skittish feet in the pocket. Like, I never, ever knew that. And that never came out. Like, remember that year when it was going down? Everyone's like, who's he gonna play this week? Like, oh, my God. He's putting the kid back in. Like. Cause Bledsoe was, like, the guy in doing the $100 million contract and all that stuff. I never realized that they actually saw something. They were like. Cause Bledsoe played in that era where, I mean, he took punishment. Like, and how does that not get to you, the accumulation of all those hits. Like, you start thinking about that you're coming off of an injury, and that it was actually a calculated decision. They were like, well, the 22 year old kid's cool with it.

Yeah, let's leave him.

Yeah. That I thought was really cool. I'd never known that.

I'll say. It was so well done. It's like 100% of rotten tomatoes watching it. You just sit down and you watch from beginning to end. It's like one of the best sports talks, I think. It leaves people with the impression that that is how it was, that. You know what I mean? I haven't talked to a lot of people that are like, I don't know. Like, I think we got manipulated a little bit. I think, you know, the kind of take that you have is not the take that I hear most of the time. Most of most people just go like, wow. It was interesting to learn that Belichick was, like, x, y, and z, instead of saying, I think this might have been. Here's another question, though, just real quick. I know you guys know so much about this, like, what's going to happen to Aaron Rodgers?

What do you mean? He's probably going to probably get injured again.

He's going to get injured, and then he's going to run for vice president and he's going to become vice president of the United States.

You think he'll get, huh?

Yeah.

I'm a Bears fan, so Aaron Rodgers has tortured my entire life, so I hate him. I've been trying to get him put in jail for a very long time.

And about this draft choice as a Bears fan.

Yeah, he's gonna be incredible. He's eccentric, he's cool. Paint his fingernails. That's not a problem, right?

I don't see why that would be a problem. No. I'm just wondering if you think it'll be. It's that number one. It's that it's really tough. Like, do you get Peyton Manning or do you get, you know. Yeah, Mitch.

You didn't have to say Mitch. Mitch was the second pick, so that.

Was the second pick. But, but, but Mahomes was in that draft.

Yes, he was. He was.

That's gotta hurt.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, we, you know, you guys got Drake Mesa. Hank, our producer, is a big Patriots fan. He was actually in the documentary because he went to jail for Tom Brady. He didn't like the documentary. He thought it was too slanted. So I don't know, maybe it's. Yeah, he thought it was just too much hate on Bill Belichick and not giving speaker two. I did.

I like Belichick's thing at the roast where he said, you know, it's brave of you to do a roast for a couple hours, like, rather than, like, in a ten part Apple series.

Right.

That was really funny.

Yeah, yeah. Have you. So, so going off of that, Hank, our producer, he admitted a couple weeks ago that he is, like, for the first time in his life, he's like, has to come to grips with the fact that he might just be a loser this year in football. Have you guys had that thought where you're like, oh, this is different now? We're losers again?

If Hank is grew up with patriots.

If Hank is an old school patriots fan and he's anywhere near our age, then he's not.

He's 30.

He's always known as joyous fucking idea. Being a Patriots fan was a certain kind of hell for. And it's true. And maybe this is why we have a different perspective on the Robert Kraft thing. Until Robert Kraft bought the team.

It.

Was brutal going out to Foxborough to watch them play. It was brutal watching them play on tv. Like, it just was, it was heartbreaking. Constantly. In fact, his dad used to always say, bet against the Patriots. No matter what, just bet against the Patriots. If you want to make money gambling, the only sure thing to do is bet against the Patriots when we were kids. So I'm comfortable with knowing that they're going to. You know, they're going to go through that kind of predictable next state.

Got to rebuild. You got to rebuild properly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hank is young enough where he's only known joy in his life as a Boston sports fan. So across the.

That's amazing to me. Like, because. Because our formative years were so different. Like, between the. I mean, we had. We had the Celtics in the eighties, which was huge. That was all I had within. That's what we had. But every other team was just. Would break your heart every year. The Patriots, less so, because they just were never good. They were. It was like, excruciating watching them play.

Yeah.

Yeah. So if you were to rank your. Your favorite, like, top three Boston sports memories, what would they be?

Memories.

Ooh, yeah.

Slow memories, being there, or just moments? And since.

I guess that's really tough. Your three favorite championships.

All right, well, 2004.

I have to start with zero four. Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, I went to the parade.

I was seven, four seven.

I drove up from New York and got to Boston, and we were all going to the parade. We had my nephews, we had everybody. My oldest daughter and I literally ran up to Boylston street before we were going to go meet them at the river to watch the duck boats go out by myself and stood on Boylston street and just cried. I was in my thirties as the duck boats went by. Like, that's how profound that was for. I didn't think we would. It's that thing that you couldn't believe. It's like the dog catching the car and then eating it in front of you. Like, you just couldn't believe.

Matt and I, in 2004, we went to game two stadium. It was game three, game three. It was the moment the curse got broken. They didn't lose. That was the end of losing, because then they won that game. They won the next three games, and then they swept Cincinnati, and we finally won.

That's how bad it was. We wore Red Sox hats into Yankee Stadium, and we thought, all right, we'll see what happens. And as we walked in, everyone was like, oh, like, it's so cute that you wore your hat. Like, they just so didn't care. Like, it was so not a rivalry to them. They were so sure they were gonna win. Oh, it was just awful.

Casey, they're gonna cook you in the comments to this video. They meant to say cardinals swept the Cardinals.

Yeah.

You meant to say, we got you back.

Sorry. Sorry.

Cooked.

Mistake. Yeah, I've been cooked before. Good.

Yeah. So wait, who's in. So those championships, but who's your Mount Rushmore?

Known that because it was Jon Hamm's team.

Yeah. Who's your Mount Rushmore? Of Boston athletes.

Oh, that's a great question. That's a great question. I mean, obviously, Tom, for football, there's zero doubt about that. No, no. Baseball. So you can. So here's the thing, Poppy. I would go big poppy. I think a lot of people would say Ted Williams. I'm going to say in our life. No, but I'm saying. You're saying Boston all time.

Okay.

Right. Because when you get to basketball, what do you do? Bill Russell.

Right?

Eleven championships player coach. Like, how do you not put Bill Russell on that Mount Rushmore? You never see that again. Right. But then you've also got Larry, you've got Paul Pierce, you've got the big.

I like Paul.

Paul.

I don't think he's on Mount Rush.

No, no, but I'm just saying Red Arbok, when all is said and done, so.

And then.

And then Bobby or that would be. So I would probably go, Tom, Poppy. Bobby or Bill Russell.

Okay.

That's good for.

Yeah, that's a strong four.

So if you're. If you're casting, like, the 28 to three patriots, if you're making a movie, I assume that you guys would be involved in the production of that. That feels like it would be right in your wheelhouse. Who play hope? So who plays what role?

Well, I cast him as Matt Ryan.

Yeah. Good answer. Yeah. Who gets Tommy?

What's that?

Who gets to play Tommy?

Who plays Tom Brady? I don't know. Who plays Tom Brady? Who today, what you want young actor could play Tom.

Jacob Elordi, guys like. Yeah. Tall actor.

Yeah.

I'm not gonna cast it.

Gronk plays itself.

I don't think anybody would believe it if you made it into a movie.

Yeah, it's true.

What. What's the one role that you passed up that you're. You kick yourself constantly. You're like, damn, I really should have taken that role.

You know, it's funny. I really have a more kind of Zen philosophy about this because there's a lot of roles I've passed up that were really great, that turned into great movies, but for one reason or another, I had to pass it up. And I really feel like the right actor gets the part. You know, it just kind of works out. But the biggest one that I ever passed, without a question, I had a chance to be an avatar, but it conflicted with the Bourne ultimatum, with the post production of the Bourne Ultimatum, so I just couldn't do it. And the bummer for me was that I couldn't work with Jim Cameron because he doesn't work that often. And I realized in passing, I was, like, 35 years old. I was like, I'm probably not going to get another chance to work with Jim Cameron. And that sucks, because I really would have loved to work with him. I love his movies. I would have learned a lot, and I probably would have made more money than any actor in history had I taken the part. But I don't. I don't. It doesn't keep me up at night.

I mean, I know why I had to pass. So I'm at peace with.

It sounds like every now and then. It sounds like every now and then you think about how much money that would have been.

I think because it's funny. Because it's like. Because it's not real money. It's hypothetical.

Right.

So it's not like. It's not like that money got taken from me, which would have bankrupted me, by the way. It was. It's just money that I never. It's like, I also could have invested in the.

Yeah.

Apple stock 20 years ago, but I didn't.

Was it 10%? It was 10% of the. Of the. Of the total earnings from the film.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Do you ever go back and look at what the total earnings are?

What are the total earnings right now?

Earnings are total earning. And this is just avatar one.

Avatar one right there.

3 billion. $3 billion is the total earnings.

3 billion, said you.

I'm not good at math. What's.

What's three? What's 300 million? You're good at math, Casey.

Yeah.

Wait, Avatar 200 million.

Oh, no.

And Avatar two is 2.3 billion.

Oh, and think about that.

I doubt he would have given me the same deal on the second one. He was like, dude, come on.

And you would. You would have that money. And you also definitely would have been doing this interview with us. Us two shitheads right now. Been like, I don't have press.

You would have owned draft.

I would have owned Bartholomew sports.

Yeah, it would be great.

Right.

So, wait, what was the answer for you, Casey? Is there one that you look back, you're like, I kind of wish. Not like a huge regret, but, like, man, I had that in front of me, and it would have been cool if I did that.

No, no, really? I. I mean, no, I don't really. There haven't been a ton that have been, like, people not begging me to do some movie that could be great, and it isn't great. I mean, you know, and I don't think it is. It's. I mostly, like, see things I want, and I just really try hard to get them, and then I usually don't get them, and then some of them I do, and then I do those. There are very few that I pass on that have ended up being, you know, trying to think huge, hugely successful, or super cool movies. Yeah.

No way. You would have passed on Avatar, right?

No, he's not that dumb.

I wouldn't not to do it, in fact, because I was hoping they'd come to me next.

They're like, all right. Ben said no. Matt said no. Okay, see, there you are. All right, so this movie, though, is. Is very good. I. People need to go see it. It's. It's very funny. Was it a cool. Having a moment where you're like, we're back in Boston filming this, the. You know, the three of us together, you know, 20, whatever, five years since good will hunting. Have you had that pinch yourself moment where it's like, you never thought in a million years when we did good will hunting, this is where we'd be right now.

Yeah, I. Like, my dream was to. My dream childhood dream kind of ended with good will hunting coming out, you know, and I remember that experience, and afterwards going, well, what do I do now? Like, that was. That was it. That was all I ever wanted, was to make a great movie and be in it. And so, like, the fact that we're still able to do this. Like, we love this job. We love it. It's so fun making movies and having people like them, and. And if people like them, if enough people like them, then you get to do another one. And it's really hard to string together a career because there's no tenure or anything. You know, it's just, what's your next thing? And so most careers kind of die on the vine or fizzle out or for whatever reason. It's very hard to sustain a career. And so the fact that we're still both working 25 years after that movie is great, and that is like a. That is the pipe dream, really. Yeah. So we're just trying not to screw it up.

Yeah, yeah. He's got to be very cool.

Done a good job. Not screw it up.

Yeah. You guys are very humble. Yeah, you got, you guys both realize you're really fucking good actors.

Thanks, man.

Yeah.

I don't know. I feel like maybe this is why it's good that we don't have, like, a ton of success. Because I'd be just walking around being like, yeah, I'm just gonna make another hit. It's not gonna be a big deal. Like, whatever.

That's, by the way, that, like, you can't think that way in the movie because it's like, that's like, that's like poison. Like, if you think this is going to be a hit, it's not. Like the one time I was like, this is going to be a hit was that movie the great wall that I did that. Not a hit. And it was like. And I feel I figured it out, like, a month into shooting, and we had, like, four months to go. And I was just like. I came to realize that as the definition of a professional actor, still get up every day and be like. And you're on a ship that, you know, isn't seaworthy. And you're like, I'm gonna do everything that's asked him. I'm gonna do. I'm gonna work my ass off today for 14 hours. Like that. You know, that's a. That's a. That's a feeling that I don't wanna.

I had the. I had that experience of being in the one that was, like, just didn't land the great wall on the same movie. That also was my, like, this is the thing I've always waited for, which was the assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford that Brad Pitt was in. It was like a studio movie with Brad Pitt. I was the lead. It was one of the most beautiful scripts I'd ever read with a great director. And then it came out and nobody liked it. And it was like. Just felt like the biggest disappointment for a minute. And I thought, I love this movie. What do I care? There's no one, like, you have to divorce yourself from those responses. And then ten years later, it was like, you know, people really loved that movie just for whatever reason. Like, it's not in the. It wasn't in the moment. It was bad timing, and then people found it. And so those kinds of ups and downs, like, you have to just roll, roll with all of them if you want to keep working.

That's the weird thing, too, about, like, what became way more common knowledge in the last 30 years is the box office. And I think because of the explosion of, like, Marvel and all the IP movies, like, everybody started paying attention to the business side of things. Like, that wasn't a thing when we were growing up. Like, if I'd go see Robert De Niro in a movie, I didn't know how it did at the box office, I wouldn't even know what that meant. And it's not really an accurate barometer of how good a movie is. It just means that a bunch of people went to see it. And so to try, it's like people make that thing of, they try to quantify a movie by how much money it makes, and it is one yardstick by which to take a measurement, but it's really not the only thing. And it's never a measure of if something's going to last and sustain. And, you know, like Ben's movie the town just got relicensed on by Warner Brothers a few years ago for like $35,000,000.15 years later, it's worth that much to one of these streamers because people are still watching the movie.

And, like, that's a work of a movie that really works, you know what I mean? It lasts. And I always thought, like, when they do the Academy Awards, the real best way to do it, if you take all the money and the marketing, all that stuff out, is to do the awards like 20 years after the movies come out. So this, you'd be voting on the movies that were out in 2004 and every. And then you. It would be so easy to go like, well, what made it like, there's no. No spin. There's no. It's like, I still watch that movie. I still love that movie. Like, that was the best movie of 2004. It would be, I think, probably a more accurate gage of whether a movie really works.

You could revoke.

Yeah, yeah, maybe we start that, guys. Maybe instead that's the new. We'll do a revo stock exchange. We do a revoke.

I like that.

Are there any sports stories that you guys think you wish would be made into movies?

Oh, the net was 1995 south african rugby team that nobody thought could win the World cup. And it was like a story of racists coming together, too. And like, post apartheid South Africa. I think that's such a great story.

I don't think that's gonna work.

What about.

No, if somebody did. If somebody did it right, it would be my favorite movie ever.

We just.

We need somebody to step up and do that.

I'd like to see a movie on the time Joe Pa shit his pants during a game. Just throw that out there. Like, people would be like, oh, we're doing a Joe Paterno movie every, like, ooh, that's heavy. It's like, no, no, no. It's. It's just the time he shit his pants against Ohio State. That's the whole movie. Yeah, exactly.

Or do. Do a movie about how. How frequently Joe Missoula watches the town. That's where the 35 million came from, by the way. It's just Joe Missoula watches it every single day.

Yeah, he does. We had him on. He said that. All right, so I had one last question. Question roback question. Rhoback.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase cues. If polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com. thank you guys so much. The movie is awesome. My last question. Matt, I've heard you say it and talk about it, but, Casey, I don't know if I've ever seen you talk about it. What do you think about your brother's back tattoo?

Looks like it hurts.

Classy, right? It's classy.

By the way, we both had a tattoo on our back that we got when we were really, really young. That was way better. It was simple, elegant, meaningful. Yeah, the other thing. But I like the guy. The tattoo artist who does that is very, very talented. A really nice, sweet guy. I think he just got talked into doing something that, you know.

Yeah. What if we just made the entire back a tattoo? And he's like, yeah, I guess.

Was he sedated for that? Like Jack Prescott?

Was he.

Did they. Did they knock him out for the tattoo?

They probably did.

We're gonna live that down.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you, guys. We really appreciate it. I didn't even bring up the time my wife saw you, Matt and Dumbo. That's my whole Matt Damon story. She just saw you at dinner. So that's it? Yeah, that's the whole thing. I got. We used to live in dumbo, so she's like, oh, I saw Matt Damon. That's the whole story, though. There's nothing special.

We didn't talk.

No, she just. No, she just texted me. She's like, I just walked past Matt Damon.

Wow, pretty good story. Yeah, it'll be a better story if we actually say something to each other.

She just saw you just. Just text me. I saw Matt Damon's like, oh, okay, cool.

I said a little bit real quick, what is the rat at the end of the departed symbolize? We've. We've talked about this for years.

I mean, it's probably. If Marty hasn't come out and said it, I mean, the whole movie is about rats, and, you know, it's probably right. Yeah. I mean. I mean, the writer had in the script, in the original script, I lived in an old brownstone in, like, back bay. And that was the idea of me, of me kind of climbing the social ladder. And now I find myself in this old brownstone, but there's still a rat. That rat comes across, and it's his past. It's the thing, you know, it's meant to symbolize all that stuff.

Got it, but went.

But Marty wanted to. Wanted to see the state house, you know, to kind of, you know, and he's looking out at the gold, which meant that I was in kind of a more modern building. And so people kind of. Some people bristled at the rat. They're like, what's a rat doing in that building? It looks a little incongruous. And so.

Yeah, it's a rat.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you guys so much. We really appreciate. It was great to have you guys on and everyone go watch the instigators. It's an awesome movie.

Thanks, guys. Love your show.

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I am?

Your fyre fest. I have.

That's the problem with vacations. There's not really. There's not any bad things to talk about.

Yeah. And you're.

You need a vacation from your vacation.

So you got back today at two. You landed at two.

Then it. So I tried in traffic. When I landed, I had to sit in traffic for 2 hours.

Thursday's out, and then tomorrow you'll be in the office. Yeah.

In the afternoon.

Oh, really? Why? What are you doing in the morning?

Well, we have the week off, and then big cats, you know, but saying to go to bed, everyone's finding, go play golf. And since technically this is a week off, we are here right now. We're going to be here all night. I've been here all day. We're going on a work trip Saturday. No big deal. We're golfing. You and I are golfing.

Yeah. Hank's holding me hostage. I'm golfing tomorrow, in the morning.

You excited?

Have fun. Those greens are fast.

I'm not. I'm going to play about nine holes. What is that? Is that a slap in the member's face?

I think so.

Really?

I don't know.

I told you.

I was saying all you call it. Set it up. Let's set it up. There's a week off. You're like, I gotta go do the act. It's like, okay, all right.

Maybe I'll be late to the act. Maybe I'll play twelve holes.

Whatever you want.

No, I'm not an 18 hole.

No, I know.

I'm not an 18.

I'm excited, you know, play some golf with my friends.

Yeah. So what's your father fest?

I sat sin traffic. 2 hours of traffic.

Oh, my God.

Are you okay?

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's. That's it. I had a great week.

Are you gonna cry?

I love vacation.

Yeah, it was good.

Refreshed.

Feel refreshed. Yeah. Traffic is. I wouldn't wish that. I'm.

I mean, I lost. I also lost about Rushmore to a fucking. Someone picking celery for a snack. Yeah.

Celery and peanut butter.

Yeah.

And you know that.

Yeah. You're. You're.

Well, I'm with Hank because we've got a meatball merchant named Max, and he's just stacking wins because he keeps picking.

The fattiest foods well, and we're done with food drafts for the rest of the summer, so we'll see how Max can hold up without having to just go meatballs on every draft. It has been a stunning, like Max had on fire in the Mount Rushmore season. Yeah.

I mean, I've been, I did spend a lot of time reflecting and trying to, you know, revisit some, some game plan and strategy things because, like, the snack draft, I, that went great for me. I left that draft being like, great draft.

And celery dead last.

Celery lost his celery. Celery. Yeah, that, yeah.

Whooped you.

That really is. Has put my brain in a pretzel.

Yeah. Okay. Pft, your fire fest, I've had a pretty good week.

It's been a nice little vacation here. But I think the joint fire fest is that the takeies have stirred up a lot of controversy, and there are some people who are very upset. Tom Fernelli, very upset for not being nominated for Italian of the year. He's got a lot to work on with his italianness this year, and I hope he puts forth a better showing. But then the big controversy is from the lib of the year award. And Jerry is really going through right now because Jerry, he keeps alternating back and forth between, like, okay, I appreciate the reward, saying, like, oh, no, please take it away from me. Everyone, please stop calling me the lib of the year. He texted me in big cat this morning asking us if we would rescind the award and take it away from him. We reminded him that there is a cash prize that goes along with the award.

Correct.

So he says that he's okay with, with keeping it for now. He did a quick 180 on that one, but he's really struggling with everyone calling him the lib of the year online. So please, everyone, if we could stop, stop calling Jerry. Liberty, you're online. And don't remind him that he won the lib of the year award no matter what.

Here's a good. So, yeah, he was quickly backtracked when we told him the cash prize. You'd have to give that back. And we said that the cash prize is up to, it could be up to $20,000, depending on how many times people call him live of the year. But I agree with PFT. Please stop calling live of the year online. Instead, buy a Jerry live of the year shirt that's now in the store so you can do it in real life, which would be better.

Yep. Yep. And yeah, just no matter what, stop calling him that. All the time, like, stop saying that to him every single minute that you're online.

He said that he's going to delete Twitter, but that's also because there was a picture of him eating a corn dog, getting a corn dog shoved down his throat. So he's having a tough time. He's having a tough go of it. He also has a picture going, floating around with a Hillary Clinton trading card on his forehead. So it's been a tough week. But he did win live here, so congrats.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, he should be, I guess, be proud of whatever award that you get. He's more of a participation trophy kind of guy, though, I guess. So he wants everyone to have live of the year.

Yeah, the. There's actually in the. In the new Twitter, there's the explorer. And one of the top ones I have right now is lib of the year award controversy, and it's got the. The AI summary says Jersey Jerry, a prominent figure, was awarded Lib of the year, titled by the popular podcast Pardon my take a. The announcement made by Nick Adams led to a flurry of reactions on social media. While many congratulated Jerry, he expressed discomfort with the overwhelming attention and requested a reduction in the frequency of mentions. The situation sparked a mix of support, humor, and criticism from various users, highlighting the complexities of public recognition in the digital era. Perfect.

I love it. It's perfect. Also, how come nobody told me I look like I'm in hell right now?

Well, you just change your lighting, so. How could we tell you that?

It looks like you were on a play stage before.

Yeah. You changed your lighting. You were.

Anything.

Well, something changed, you know, look different.

Helping room.

I'm at. I'm at Scully's right now, and I think they're getting ready for. For soundcheck right now. Here we go. That's better. Now I'm in heaven. Yeah, heaven. Hell.

It changed. You were looking not like that. And then something changed with the lighting. All right, my fire fest. I got an easy one. I. My son pissed on me. That was all I. So that was fun. You pissed intentionally. We were playing which ward? We were playing swords, and he pissed across the toilet all over my leg, so. But that's the gate that. Listen, when you get in the. In between the lines and you're playing swords with your son, you got to expect that to happen some. From time to time.

Sword fight.

I literally.

Fights are dangerous.

We started the sword fight, and then all of a sudden, I was like, why is my whole entire leg feel wet and I looked down, and he was just peeing all over me.

So I think that means he won the sword fight.

Easily. Easily. Total Alpha move. Total Alpha move. But, yeah, you got to be able. You got to play swords with your kid. Come on. It's fun. It's just like, you know, because usually I do win, but this one, he's changed the game, and it in credit to me. I didn't pee on him.

I was gonna say, I feel like you're thinking.

Thought crossed my mind. Thought crossed my mind, but I figured, you know what? Let's just. Let's. Let's play it. Let's play this right way, chalk it up to a loss, move on, play another game. All right, Hughie, you want to finish this off? Yeah.

My fyre fest is doing laundry.

Oh.

Specifically mine. So I have. So the apartment I'm in right now, the. The type of. I don't have a washer dryer in my place. It's a. It's four stories down and in a different place, so I have to share that laundry room with three other units.

And how many machines.

It's just one washer, one dryer.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

And it's in a different hall. It's in it. So it's like, a four stories down in different elevator? No, but it's a different set of staircases. It's, like, in the back, so it's, like, darker and, like, there's no. There's no windows out there. It's just one light at the bottom, one light at the top.

Sounds like a basement.

Yeah. Yeah.

Essentially what I'm going into. And there's spiders all the way up and down the wall.

Okay.

It's just.

It.

I'm afraid to go down there.

And.

So you have no clean laundry.

So I I'm running low on clean laundry now because it's been two weeks. It's, you know, running low out of everything, so I bought new clothes, bought just, you know, essential stuff. Found some draftking shirts, you know, in the other room in the gambling cave. So that's gonna help. Yeah.

Hughie, you can go to my. My office. Pick whatever you want.

All right. I mean, you shouldn't say that out loud.

Nope, I just did. All right. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it's. Yeah, we got new stuff.

I got.

I had new stuff coming anyway, so it wasn't the end of the world, but I think I have an. I have a new place set on the back end of grit week.

Oh, you're moving?

Yeah, I got a washer and dryer there, and it's my own.

Good.

So I got a whole plan of doing big laundry for one weekend. It's gonna be awesome. Excited.

That's okay.

That your strategy for no clean laundry seems to just be, like, only buy new clothes.

Yeah. That's a total dude's rock moment. Like, I. There were spiders in the hallway, so I just got new clothes, and when he says he bought new clothes, I feel like I bought socks. Okay. Yeah. A lot of the clothes from the gambling case.

Yeah.

A lot of stuff was getting delivered here. Yeah.

Some Amazon stuff. I got some shampoo. I mean, we're rocking and rolling now.

Yeah, I mean, he's just gonna. Huey's gonna be a walking billboard for us. I love it. I love it. Okay, good show, boys. Grit week starts Sunday night. We're traveling. We'll be visiting a bunch of different camps. We're very excited. We also will have a meet and greet that we'll let everyone know about when we get it set, so good show. Grit week cited to get back, all of us together. Let's do numbers. 28, 40, 212. You want to do 56?

I want to do 56.

Yeah. 56. Well, no. Now, what if it's eight? Three.

It's not. It's not gonna be eight. It's gonna be 56. I promise.

99 pulled. 43. Love you guys.

Today is on my taste.

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