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Brian Kelly is on the hot seat.

Oh, my God. It's a yearly tradition.

He hates week one.

Brian Kelly has lost three straight week Week 1s at LSU.

He's going to start playing in Week 0. He's going to volunteer the Tiger. He's like, Hey, we'll go to Hawaii.

The standalone games have not been nice to Brian Kelly. He's trying to find the guy who did this. He's the hot dog meme, basically saying afterwards, This is the first time since I've been here at LSU that I'm angry at my football team. That's the football team you put together, buddy. That's the football team you coach.

That's his football team.

That is your football team.

Maybe he was angry before, but it wasn't his football team yet. So year one, they lose that opening game Florida State, right? Yeah. With the weird shit that happened at the end with the extra point. Maybe he was mad, but it was at Coach O's football team that he happened to be coaching at the time. But Brian Kelly, his face was turning redder by the second on the sideline. He looked like Tom Coughlin in that game, but it was indoors in Las Vegas, not in zero-degrees weather in Green Bay.

Yeah, it's a tradition unlike any other. Brian Kelly getting upset week one of the college football season. I would say we can go winners and losers the whole football weekend, But I think the number one winner by far and away, not even close, is the Notre Dame Fighting Irish because they got to watch their team win on Saturday night in a game that Brian Kelly would have probably lost. I said afterwards, Brian Kelly actually caused the SEC two wins this weekend because LSU, who he coaches now, and the fact that he left Notre Dame, Texas A&M would have beaten him if he was still at Notre Dame because he doesn't win big games. But Notre Dame won a game that was the biggest win of the weekend, probably If you look at their schedule, they don't have a ton of tough tests after this. They're in the driver's seat.

They might be ranked number one at the end of the season, and then they'll get the fifth spot in the house. Yes.

Then they got to watch Brian Kelly, and what was the big three things that Notre Dame fans tried to warn LSU fans? They were like, Hey, he can't win the big one. Check.

Practice safety.

Not practice safety. He can't win the big one. Check. He likes to blame everyone else but himself. Double check. And he's just a jerk.

Now, in his defense, I know, I guess this is an indictment on Brian Kelly. I won't go to his defense. He should have had a word with his players before the game that it's against the rules to act like you're shooting your opponent with a shotgun after a score of a shutdown. The kids can't know That's what I'm saying. He got the penalty. The penalty is so bad.

Running on like... He basically looked like he was scarred from last year's defense and being like, We got to just keep USC off the field and preventing themselves from winning the game.

Yeah. The targeting at the end was pretty egregious.

Well, he said afterwards, he's like, Our team feels like we have to be able to get over the pump. There's this vibe that we've won a game when we're up. It's like, Dude, you're the coach. That's your vibe.

Yeah, it was not a great show. It wasn't a bad showing from LSU. They weren't terrible.

No, Nussmaier was good.

Nussmaier was good. But then Brian Kelly threw Nussmaier on the bus later and said their quarterback played a lot better. Miller Moss is very good.

No, he was incredible. I I think he told you, 35 to 1. I think he did. Down to 22.

I think he did play better than Nussmaier, but their quarterback wasn't the reason why they lost the game. No.

They lost the game because they had penalty after penalty. At the end of the game, they were playing scared because Brian Kelly can't win the big one. I think he's like 4 and 13 against top 10 teams. In big ones? Yeah, against top 10 teams.

He hasn't beaten a ranked opponent in a long time, right?

He beat Clemson in I want to say. Or no, he was already at LSU. He beat Clemson in the DJU game, which we can now say. Clemson was four, but it was the backup. It wasn't Trevor Lawrence. I feel bad for... I love LSU fans. I love LSU. Every time we've gone there, this is basically a repeat from last year, by the way, word for word. Every time we've gone there, they've been the best people, the most hospitable people, just so much fun. They deserve better than Brian Kelly. The guy's a shithead.

Yeah, with Brian Kelly, if you're an LSU fan, you're like, Well, he better win. We'll love him if he wins. But with him, he gets no grace period if he loses. No. They're like, Well, you can't be an asshole and lose. You can be an asshole and win. We love nick Saban when he was here. We're okay with that, but you can't combine the two because especially as a complete fish out of water in the SEC, they'll be like, He's not supposed to be SEC. He ain't supposed to be SEC, Paul.

No. The guy who... His name is escaping me.

I think that's going to be... I'm going to stand on that take. Jerry DiNardo.

He's Jerry DiNardo.

That's my official take on Brian Kelly. You can put this on a quote card. He ain't supposed to be SEC. No.

Lsu did it with Jerry DiNardo, who was, I think he's a New Yorker and hired him and it was like, Dude, what are you doing here? You don't know our culture. They need to bring nick Saban out of retirement. Imagine that.

Yeah, I think he'd do it.

That would be fucking sick.

I think nick Saban, he probably really enjoyed not having to work on Saturday in the for the first time in a long time. He enjoys. There was one moment- Well, he did work. Yeah, he, but not coaching a football team. He was on game day, and he seemed a little bit more relaxed. He talked about how he does miss it a little bit already. But you can see that the pressure of the NIL era was not... He just hates that. He's like, I don't want to deal with the salary cap.

And he would have dominated because he's next semen. By the way, I should have paused this for a second. Hank, are you okay with us talking about college football right now? Yeah. Yeah. Are you sure? Yes. I know that you hate college football and you don't want to be bothered by it.

That's not true. I like college football.

What's your favorite part?

You're sitting on Kent State, Pittsburgh on Saturday morning.

Well, yeah, people get mad. People got mad at me for saying I was doing anything but watching college football Saturday. I just said, I'm not locking in my entire 12 hours of a day on Saturday. The only day we're not in the office to watch a random ass week one game when There's only three good ones.

You didn't have to watch Kent State in Pittsburgh. You could have watched another game.

I actually did. There was a punt return in the second quarter that I tweeted at you. It was awesome. It was sick.

There are lots of good games.

Yeah. I actually have no problem with your take, Hank, because people should just do whatever makes them happy. That's really the end of it. I am happy. My happiness comes from watching 12 Hours of Football and watching Kent State, Pittsburgh. Your happiness is from golfing. You should do what makes you happy.

We do 12 hours of football on Sunday.

Yeah, but that's the beauty of it. You do 12 hours Saturday and Sunday.

What if somebody had- I'm like a 20 hours total.

What if somebody had that take, though? Like, Oh, I'm not allowed to do anything else on Sunday. You have to gear your entire Sunday around watching the Panthers and the Patriots.

People do do that. College football fans do that.

Yeah. I have no problem with it. You got no problem with them, but they have a problem with you.

I have no problem with them.

You had college football fans at your neck.

At my neck. I didn't even think it was that controversial of a take, but a lot of people said, Thank you.

It sounds like you were triggered a little bit, though. Because you would have tweeted out if you weren't triggered by something.

I mean, a response, I wouldn't say I was triggered. It didn't upset me. I literally sent the tweet and then went about my day.

It all started because he said he was going to think about wearing a bucket hat on the golf course. Then someone was like, Dude, how could you miss College Football Week 1? He was like, What am I going to watch? Ken State, Pittsburgh? Yeah. Did you at least watch your Washington Huskies beat Weber State?

I checked the score.

Weber State? Yeah. That was late night. It was late night. It was late night. That's what you got to get used to.

How many points did they give up? Three.

Yeah.

That's a Belichick defense.

All right. So are we okay to keep talking about college football? Of course, please. Okay. All right. So yeah, Brian Kelly was the biggest loser, and Notre Dame fans are the biggest winner because Notre Dame is basically going to the playoff. I'm fine with saying right now, they're in the playoff.

Yeah, we can pencil them in. Yeah, that was actually- They don't really play anyone.

That was. And Marcus Freeman did take a shot at me in his post-game press conference talking about analytics. It was the next day saying, We need to have a further conversation. I don't think the conversation we had popped up, the go for two down 14. But I will say, Marcus Freeman, the Notre Dame fans have to be so happy that Brian Kelly left, even though it was weird when he left. He just basically turned his back on the whole team. Marcus Freeman is a dude. I watched that video of him bringing the team out from the tunnel. That's a guy you want to go to war with. That's a game that Brian Kelly doesn't win that Marcus Freeman did. Notre Dame played like they pushed the envelope. They went for some fourth downs. Notre Dame is, yeah, they're in the driver's seat.

It's a hard stadium to win in, too, especially week one. That's your first game of the season. You go to Kyle Field, you got the Yell leaders being all weird. They probably had a hell of a pep rally the night before where they said all the really strange cult-like activity stuff that they do.

I was told Connor Wegman was good, and he was not. I'll give him... He's just a kid, but he looked like shit. I keep thinking about do breaking moves, but you're just biting your fingernails.

Well, see, Hank and I have an right now. Actually, all of us do, which is we're not looking at our phones to see what the polls are for Mount Rushmore season. Hank was so affected by the season. I don't know what to do not having a phone in my hand. I guess I'll read a book. Yeah, he was reading the book.

So Hank started to read a book. So they don't want you to know.

What don't they want you to know?

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Of stuff.A lot of stuff. Okay, other college football. So we're free to continue. Please.

I like watching the college football kick off now. It's like a little treat where it's-Oh, the actual kick-off. I was like, Oh, it's an old kick-off. I remember this. Old school. And college football is smart. But the one thing I don't like is the two-minute warning, which is not a two-minute warning in college football. They call it a two-minute time out. And then in the booth, they're like, Yeah, we're not supposed to call this a two-minute warning. We have to call it a two-minute time. I'm like, Guess what? Everyone's calling it two-minute warning. That's what it is.

I do have a college football observation. Oh, give it to us. Wisconsin's QB is way too old to to be playing.

Tyler Van Dyke? Yeah. Well, what about Miami's-He's just not good. Who, Tyler Van Dyke? Yeah. So you did watch college football? Yeah. You just happened to watch that game? Yeah. Max is a real sicko, rooting against Wisconsin. I never said that. I texted him because I knew PFT was at pop punk, and I knew Max was watching. Yeah, what do you mean he's too old? There's so many old quarterbacks.

Yeah, but he's just old enough where he's clearly not good enough. He's just holding on in Causton, Wisconsin. Oh, damn.

Do you know that we don't usually get good quarterbacks?

I don't think he's good.

Okay. But we don't get quarterbacks.

What about Graham Ertz?

Didn't go well.

No, did not.

So that was-You disagree?

I was watching that game and I It's like, This guy is bad. And then they were like, He's 27 years old.

The fake field goal was sick.

The fake field goal was sick. He's 23 years old, so I don't really know why that one-I got my eye on him. There was a tight end on Miami who's in his ninth year of Yeah, that's too much, too. Dylan Gabriel is on Oregon. He's 23 years old, but it's just my guy.

I haven't watched any Oregon yet. I'll let you know.

I think Hank's saying-You only watch. Hank doesn't like watching.

How did you only watch one game?

I watched Colorado, too. I watched Colorado, too.

Hank doesn't like watching an old quarterback who's bad.

Yeah, it was a bad game.

Meams just got something to say.

Yeah, Meams. How old's Washington's quarterback?

Good question, Meams.

Kam rising is like 25.

I have no problem. I'm just meaning he's not good. How old is- I don't know.

Worry about your own team, buddy.

Sorry, I won't. No more college observations from me.

Well, you only came with one that my team stinks. I know we're transitioning.

It's not great. I didn't know that.

I wish we weren't doing the air raid. I wish we were I was actually texting my friends during the game. I was like, Dude, old Wisconsin football, we just won this game 27 to seven, and it would have been so boring, and I would have been so happy. Instead, we're trying to do this air raid, and it doesn't work. It's the truth. Run the ball up the middle, and the game takes 2 hours and 30 minutes. We win 27-7. We throw nine passes, and that's in and out.

He means how old is Washington's?

23. Will Rogers. Oh, yeah. Will Rogers from? The U. Mississippi State.

Close. He's been around the block.

There was a tight end on Miami who scored a countdown in the swamp, who was in his ninth year of college football.

I think Hank's whole gripe with this is that it's depressed Pressing watching an old quarterback who's also bad. Yeah. Which is true.

Will Rogers isn't great.

35 to 3.

Okay. Fcs? Do you know what that is?

Scoreboard. Hank just tell him scoreboard.

You know what FCS is? What?

One double A? Okay.

I don't like this new college football, Hank. You only watched one fucking game, and it was my game. We're going through things. Listen, we're going to beat South Dakota State, and then we're going to lose by 30 to Bama. All right. I'm telling you right now, that's what's going to happen. I've made my terms with it. Any other thoughts from that game? It feels very directed that you just... We're working on some things.

Colorado Travis Hunter stud.

Yeah, there it is. That that countdown catch that he had.

Travis Hunter is unbelievable.

I don't know how he caught that ball in the corner of the end zone where he reached across the other guy at the last and dragged it in.

He's going to be the number one pick, obviously.

Probably not.

Really?

Probably quarterback. I might have to bet Tyler Van Dyke to win the high, but now that Hank's doing this.

You get some pretty juicy odds on that.

Yeah, I don't even know if they have him on the board.

Probably a billion to one. If you do that, yeah, a 1,800 gambler number should pop.

They should hack your phone. They're going to be like, Are you sure you meant to do this?

For your own good, sir.

All right, other- They have to have a nuclear submarine I have to have two people that share the same bank account turn the key on that one. Hank, let me give you a quick 30-second explanation of what's going on right now. I'm having a crisis, okay? Because I believe in Luke Fickle, and I think he's a very good coach. They decided to do an air rate offense. It doesn't really make sense for Wisconsin when all we should do is run the ball down your throat and beat everyone on our level and then lose to Ohio State and Penn State. I was happy with that. That was a good life. Going 9:00 in 3:00 and three and 10 and two and playing boring football, but just fullback, fucking down your dick, you're not going to be able to stop it. It was a good life. Now I don't have a good life because now we try to throw the ball, and we don't throw the ball well, and we're going to win six or seven games, and I don't have a good life anymore.

Yeah, you're at the mercy of... What's his name? Van Keichel? Van Keichel? I don't know why.

You're thinking about Van Geichel?

You're just so...

Yeah, that's the- You're just You were offended by my quarterback.

Yeah, I was just like, This guy is horrible. Where did he come in? They're like, You know he's a seventh-year transfer.

He's not a seventh-year transfer. He's not a seventh-year transfer. All right, other Losers this weekend. Billy Napier.

Billy Napier, big time.

Sun Belt Billy.

He coached at Louisiana, right? Yeah. He ain't cutting it. He ain't supposed to be SAC either.

That's another situation where they got rid of Dan Mullen, who went to some New Year's 6 bowl games, and now Billy Napier. I think I saw that he is seven and five at the swamp. And if you take FCS teams out, he's five and five.

Listen, Dan Mullen, his wife, kissed players on the lips. Big deal. He won football games. He's a guy that looks so happy to be on TV. He loves being with his big old head. Billy Napier had trouble during the game. He had trouble after the game. He couldn't get the top off his water bottle, which was a bad look. You should at least have the forearm strength to remove a bottle cap. Hank's doing it now, and he's got tiny little arms. It's that easy, Billy. He does. He's probably on the hot seat. He was on the hot seat before the season started. He's fired. Then we looked at when Andy Staples was on the show, we saw their last, what, seven games? Yeah. He's fired. Billy Napier, unfortunately, has been prefired by me. To do that against a team where you're competing the same recruits that you're trying to get are on the sideline watching that game and to just get your shit pushed in by an instate rival. Conversely, the U might be back.

The U is... Kam Ward is electric. He was electric last year. He's awesome. The U, yeah, it does feel like they're another team where a week one win on the road in the SEC, they now are in the driver's seat where their schedule is not super tough. Florida State looks like shit. They're 0-2 now. Dju, that's gotten his bet. Florida and Florida State game, by the way, will be the most depressing game this year. Florida State looks like shit. Virginia Tech, the dark horse in the ACC, lost to Vanderbilt. Nc State struggled on Thursday night. Miami, maybe they're This game is Georgia Tech. If they played Georgia Tech because Georgia Tech is 2-0. But Miami was another big winner from the weekend, the U might be back.

The U, I think, is back. I think right now, they're in a pole position to win that conference. And credit, by the way, to Bill O'Brien. Yes. Bill O'Brien Brian, Boston College. Did you see his polo shirt tonight? No. Big K, you got to look up a picture.

Did he have sweat stains all over the place?

He had sweat stains, but they weren't the normal sweat stains that are limited to your armpits that usually go down to the chest area. These pit stains went down the side of his arm in the polo shirt to the very end of it. It's hot in Florida. It's very hot down there. It's muggy. He's not a Southeast boy. But it's... Bill O'Brien called a hell of a game. Yeah.

Florida State is a complete disaster. They've looked so bad through. I mean, they have a bye week next week. Thank God for them and their fans. Did you see also there's a fan online who now has to delete his account? He did delete his account.

That was going to be by who's back.

3, 2, 1, no. Said, If Florida State loses to BC this weekend, I'll eat dog shit out of a red solo cup with a spoon and post a video of me doing it. Book it. He's now gone from this world.

Coward. Coward. Deleted his account. You got to follow... Listen, Listen, they're not going to win any more games until this guy eats the dog shit out. That's how it works.

Billy Napier was a big loser. Florida State, in general, was a big loser. Then Dabo, poor Dabo, said before the game, it's not about the scoreboard, it's how hard you play. Then after the game, after they got absolutely crushed by Georgia, who looks like back to peak Georgia, where it's like, now that Saban's not there, their only loss was to nick Saban. There's a roll over people. Davos said after the game, one of the positives from the game was that the tigers matched up well with the Bulldogs in terms of pure talent. The scoreboard doesn't show that, but we matched up well. Some details really cost us.

I'll give you one detail. Quarterback.

Or the scoreboard.

Scoreboard is a detail. Yeah, that's a minor detail. That's a pretty big...

When you score six points.

Clemson was a great team. They were a great team in college football. Yes. Then they just became a not-so-great team. It felt like overnight, but the overnight was just when Trevor Lawrence went to the NFL. Since then, they haven't been able to find out who's throwing the ball for him, so they're going to stink for a while.

Yeah, Deshawn Watson and Trevor Lawrence were all-world Out of this World quarterbacks, and they haven't been able to replicate that.

They haven't gotten anyone that's nearly as good as in back there.

Did you also see Roddy White? Yeah. Said that he's like, Clemset has too many white guys out there, and then people got mad at him. But I think when he was talking about was there was possession where it was like 10 out of 11 guys on the field.

That is too many white guys.

That's too many white guys. You can't have that many white guys out on the field.

And play against Georgia? Yeah.

Georgia? No, you cannot.

I mean, listen, I'm all for equality. I think it's a meritocracy on the football field. You can't have 10 out of 11 guys.

It's a lot of white guys.

We won't be able to beat Georgia. A lot of white guys.

But yeah, Dabo, he's going through it.

That reminds me that quote from the Air Force coach back in 2002, where they asked him what he need to do better. He's like, We need to recruit more Black players because they run very, very well. That was his answer after the game.

There you go, buddy. Yeah. Penn State was a big winner. Penn State looks awesome.

Is Drew Aller good?

Drew Aller looked sick. He looked like the guy that everyone thought he was going to be last year.

Well, if you listen to our preview with Brandon Walker and Tom Ferneli, they correctly pointed out that Penn State's new offensive coordinator will make up a lot of ground for them, and it did look like that. They were running some plays that had guys running wide open.

Yeah, Trey Wallace was great. It was fun to watch it. It was not an offense that you were watching last year with Penn State.

Yeah, big win for Penn State.

Winter, Tennessee.

Winter, Tennessee.

Nico is legit. Nico is as advertised by Tom Fernand and Brandon Walker.

Yes, Nico is awesome. Winner, the Idaho coach, Coach Eck. I loved him. He just basically... So Idaho was... I think they were down seven in the fourth quarter to Oregon. He had an entire binder of plays. He had a guy hand him a binder, and it was There had to be like 3,000 pages in there. And he just kept on having these trick plays that would work. And it was so much fun to watch because it just doesn't have... It was like watching a 16-seed versus one, and you're like, This is just this is insane. How are they still in this game.

Yeah, I wasn't able to catch any of that game. But every time I looked at the scoreboard, I was like, Is Oregon in trouble? Is Oregon going to lose this game? And I went back, I watched some of those plays, and they were just absolutely emptying the tank against them. It was like they knew they couldn't line up and beat them playing normal football, but they're like, We're going to try to just smoke and mirrors our way to a win. And it would have been an all-time smoke and mirrors win.

Yeah, it was incredible. I'm trying to think any other winners or losers. I mean, the big losers was really They just Brian Kelly, Billy Napier.

Dabo. Dabo. Dabo. Poor Dabo. I said there should be some football guy preacher that should get in touch with Dabo Sweeni and tell him, You know who used the transfer portal? Jesus Christ, when he went into that tomb. So you can get in there for three days a year, Dabo. Well, three days a year is good enough. And you can just get in, get out, and just transform into a new team.

I feel like he's also at this point where he really should take a hard look and just be like, Should I just retire? Because if he If he walked away after this year, he would be a Clemson legend, and it would never be like it got bad. But if you stay on too long and it keeps going like this... And again, Clemson still is winning. They won 10 games last year, I think. So it's not that they aren't still a good football team. It's just remarkable how far they've fallen off from the superpowers that they were in five years ago.

They need a good quarterback. If they got a good quarterback and maybe didn't have 10 out of 11 white players on the field at one time, which is weird that Roddy's last name is white. It's true. He said that.

So he gets a pass.

Yeah, he gets a pass on that. He's allowed to use that word, the W word. But if you just take that roster and you put a good quarterback on it, a very good college quarterback, then Clemson would be fine. Yeah. They might not be Georgia, but they'd be fine. No.

Georgia, those first games when you have to play a Georgia or LSU, LSU should just not play week one anymore. They're tough because it's Clemson could still win the ACC, could still go to the playoff. There's a zero % chance Clemson is winning the national title this year. No. Because you saw what it looks like when it's the best team. There's a few teams that have that level of talent, and it was just Clemson was never... They were never in that game. I know that it was a 6-6 at half, but it still was just not... You just saw the line of scrimage. You're like, This is going to end quickly. They're going to... As soon as the dam breaks, there's just nothing they can do about it.

What's the spread for Tennessee, NC State?

I think probably seven.

Yeah, because it's on the road. But NC State didn't look great. No. And Niko looks so good that I feel like Tennessee is going to compete the SEC. Yeah. I feel like they'll be right there. No, absolutely.

Also, shout out to Big Ten went 17 and one. No big deal.

Yeah. Usc.

17 and one.

And Washington. Yeah.

The only loss was Minnesota to North Carolina. Yeah. When P. J. Fleck pretended he had Justin Tucker, what were you going to say?

No, no, it was close.

Yeah, it was close. He lost by two.

I watched that one.

Oh, you did? What did you think?

You went to see his kicker is fucking- Insane. Has a bomb.

Crazy. Then P. J. Fleck was just deciding that... I don't know why he thought his kicker after he had missed a 30-yarder. He's like, No, we're good with a 47-yarder here, and was never close. But yeah, Big Ten, 17-1. It's just weird seeing 17-1. Yeah, that's a lot. So many fucking- So there's 18.

What? The Big 18.

Yeah. I mean, we haven't had 10 teams in forever. I know. We've been the Big Ten. I know.

So I like the-We got the pack 12 when it's a two-pack. Yeah.

All right. Any other college football thoughts? Anything else, Hank, you want to just keep twisting the knife?

Say something about the Big 12, Hank?

Everyone's team won.

Yeah.

That's what he was going to say.

Quin yours. It was on Sunday Conversation.

I watched that. Hank. Not the Big 12. Not the Big 12. My friend, Texas. Oh, fuck.

Shit.

I need some analysis from you about the Big 12 before we can take it.

I got nothing. Oklahoma.

Oh, no. Hank, RCC, too.

Name five Big 12 teams.

Let's go. Kansas State.

Yes.

Oklahoma State. Yes.

Get hot, Hank. Get hot. Get hot.

Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Kansas.

Yes. You've taken all the Kansas. You got no Kansas left.

Kansas State.

No, he said, We're not in He's not in Texas anymore, Hank.

This is making me feel better about his analysis. Texas Tech? Wisconsin. Okay, yeah. This guy doesn't watch college ball. Texas Tech? Yes.

That's four, right?

Yeah, I said five.

You watch one of the games.

Colorado. Yeah. Bang. Wow.

Any more? Any others? Slip one in.

Nope.

He talked about one of the other games.

Nothing. Nothing.

Nothing. No. Nothing.

Oh, Iowa has an offense.

Iowa State. Iowa State, there you go. Yeah, Iowa's offense, it didn't show up until the second half, but it did show up. The first half was very funny. Started exactly how an Iowa game always does. It's like punt, punt, fumble, interception, miss field goal, punt, field goal.

Then they're like, We figured it out. The iPads came in handy for them at halftime.

Is it Arizona or the Big 12?

Yes, Hank. Good job. Recently, Big 12 team.

Good job. Arizona State? Yeah. There we go. We're cooking.

You just got to find the pairs and just hammer it. Yeah, think of Pac-12 rechecks. You got this.

That's good for now. Okay.

I think that's more than enough. That was your Big 12 recap.

That was your Big 12 recap by Hank. Name some Big 12 teams. I think you should actually... Well, no, because I don't want you to have to study it.

But let's-Oh, he won't.

Yeah, you probably won't. Maybe tomorrow, can you name all the Big 12 teams? Yeah. We should have done the Mount Rush for a Big 12 team. Just let Hank fly on it. All right. Anything else from this weekend before we do Who's Back?

Now, I'm looking forward to next weekend.

Yes.

Texas, Michigan.

Texas, Michigan. I'll be there. The college football show will be there.

You know who the captain is going to be for Michigan? The honorary captain. Who? Derek Cheater. Oh. Michigan legend. Yeah.

I did watch the Connor Stallions doc.

What do you think? It was interesting. What did you think?

I ended up being like, I love Connor Stalian's because he just seems like... He's essentially just every fan ever who's like, I'll do anything for my team to win. And then he actually did do anything for his team to win. But yeah, they definitely cheated. I think everyone cheated, but they definitely did, too. And Harbaugh didn't know.

They cheated the most.

They tried to implicate Harbaugh by having a scene where Connor Stalian showed off the game ball that Harbaugh gave him. But look at this. Look at this.

See this right here?

See this right here? This is a game ball presented to Max Delente from Big Dom. Max, have you ever met Big Dom in your life?

In spirit?

That's my guy. Exactly. I rest my case.

How did I get back there, by the way?

That was on my desk. I rest my case, Harbaugh did not know. Just because you get a game ball doesn't mean you know the guy. Also the pictures with them together, but whatever.

He was on the staff. Yeah.

Don't downplay my relationship with Big Dom. That was an artful gift.

You haven't met him.

You have not met him. I'm defending our guy Harbaugh. There was a great story in the Connor Stallions' Doc where Connor Stallions, after everything he went through, he went to the Ohio State, Michigan game. He said that after when everyone was on the field, he was on the field, he was wearing a ski mask, and he went up to Michael Barrett, one of their linebackers, and he was just like... He He had his full ski mask on, and he was just like, Great game, Mike B. Michael Barrett was like, Are you fucking kidding me? Is that him? He pulled down his ski mask for a second, and Michael Barrett went crazy.

How did he get down there?

I don't know. But he was like, he became Everything that he was... The internet was pretending like he's everywhere, it felt like at the end of the season, he's like, Yeah, you know what? I'm just going to be everywhere.

O'cotter Stanley is like, Okay, say what you want about cheating and all that stuff. But the man had a plan. He had a course of action, and followed through on it, and he worked very hard at his goal, and he accomplished his goal.

He showed a little bit of his manifesto, but he said he's still saving it for when he's going to be Michigan's coach.

Because he's going to reuse it. Yeah.

Well, he used some of it, but no one's ever seen a lot of the things that he's done.

Do you think Harba was having secret meetings with Connor? Connor Stalians was- Harba didn't know him.

Never met him. Never in the same room.

He was given the info to other guys, and then other guys would kick it up and take credit for it like it was their idea. Correct. And then be like, Hey, what do you think about this insight, Coach? Don't you like this insight? Then he'd pat them on the head and be like, Great job, Assistant Coach. I appreciate that. Then they never gave credit to Connor Stalians.

I didn't realize, too, it was great that he started his coaching at Navy because he was in the Naval Academy His first game that he ever was on the sideline was against Ohio State, Navy versus Ohio State. He love that. They were competitive. I love that.

He was doing the signals. I'm going to watch that tonight.

It's very good. I enjoyed it just because it's one of the best college football stories that we'll ever have ever. It was so much fun. Living through it was so much fun. It was made for memes.

It's an AI... If you think about quantum computing over the next 20 years, if you took whatever AI they have then and then just focused on the craziest message board that you've ever been on, that's essentially what Connor Stalian is. Correct. And he made it all happen.

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My who's back in the week is Scottie Scheffler.

Yes.

He won golf's biggest event of the year, which is done at the worst time of the year when no one cares about golf.

Was that the ending?

That Because he won like $26 million winning just that one.

But this weekend was the tournament? It's over. They did on Labor Day weekend?

Fedex Cup, yeah. You remember the trophy?

I remember the trophy. Who could forget the trophy, PFT? But why did they I don't know.

There's big breaks in between some of the majors. They draw it out for this long and then do it on a weekend. That's a holiday weekend when college football is back, and it should end it on Monday, if anything.

Do it the weekend before.

Yeah.

When will people realize you can't compete with football?

No.

Well, I guess Hank can with golf and bucket hats, but everyone else cannot compete with football. You can't.

Yeah, and just the way it's set up where it's… Scottie Scheffler had a three-stroke lead to start the whole week, and it was like, Colin Cormur-Cauer had a better score than him over the three days, but because of the early lead, it didn't matter.

So what did he win by?

I don't know what he won by.

Two or three, but he was…

He won 25 million, so he's won like 60 something million dollars.

62 million, I think.

So his caddie has made 6.2 million for being on the man's bag. That's a lot of money for being on a man's bag. That's crazy.

That's crazy.

Max Homa had a good tweet about it because PGA Tour communications sent this out on August 29th, which was Friday, right? I believe. They said, Scottie Scheffler cards a 6 under 65 and holds a seven-stroke lead after the first round of the Tour Championship. Scheffler is the first player to hold a lead of seven strokes or more after 18 holes of a tour event on record. Then Max Homa said, The Chiefs score two touch downs in the first quarter and lead by 30. A new record. Yeah. It's a weird format. Yeah.

He won by four strokes. I see what you're saying, too. He, Murkawa, played better this weekend.

I also think it should somehow come down a match play.

Yeah, but Scottie did deserve the lead because he played better. That was his whole thing when he was like, Is this really to decide the champion if I have to play again for something I've already won, basically? I get that he should get the lead. Yeah, they should figure that out and play it a different time. Okay, good. Who's back, Hank? Thanks. Golf, college football week one.

Yeah, great who's back. Now, we'll move on to real sports.

The air rate offense is back.

My who's back of the week is Joey Chesnut. Yes, that's fine. A real athlete, Joey Chesnut, is back, baby. He ate 83 hot dogs in 10 minutes. 83 hot dogs with no dunking. He could sip the water. He competed against Kobiashi. It was never really a competition after the first two minutes. He got a lead. He kept the lead. Kobayashi ended up with what? 66 dogs?

Yeah, it was something like that. He just dominated.

Which is still a good... That's a large amount of hot dogs. It's a good day of dogs. For a man to eat in 10 minutes. Correct. Probably the second best. That bout by Kobayashi would put him as being one of the top five of all time. And then Chesnudge is 83 hot dogs in his fucking face. 83 hot dogs. He got a lead. He didn't look at the scoreboard, didn't slow down, kept building the lead. It God damn, it was impressive. Now, it didn't have the same pageantry, at least for me, as the fourth of July Hot Dog Eating Contest. I like it because it's on the fourth of July. I like it because everyone's waving American flags. I like it because it's outside. So this was in a dome. And just like in the NFL, if you eat indoors, I'm sure that's a little bit easier staying out of the sun. I feel a little bit bad for Kobayashi, though.

Why?

Because imagine eating 66 hot dogs and feeling like you didn't accomplish what you were trying to do. You got a bag.

You got a bag.

But yeah. Okay, money aside, eating 66 hot dogs and losing has got to be an all-time bad feeling.

Yeah, I think I would normally agree with you if it were on the fourth of July, the guy who- You don't get bags for fourth of July. Yeah. Fourth of July, if you're the guy who finishes third and you're in Coney Island or on Coney Island, you had 50 hot dogs, you came third, no one even remembers you, you're standing there hot, sweating.

Kobyash got a bag. Got a I'm saying money aside, though. It stinks that you ate 66 hot dogs and you're just a loser. Yeah, that does stink. But 83, that's so many fucking hot dogs. It's unreal.

He probably drink after.

Where can he go from there? Eighty-four, dude. What's amazing about Joe is he continues to push himself. Yeah.

He's the greatest of all time.

You would need somebody that would come along and put away 90 dogs or 100 dogs to prove to him that he could even eat more, to even believe that it was possible to eat more. But every time he sits down on a dinner plate, he's Fuck it. There's no iron sharpening iron for Joey Chet. He is the iron.

Yes. Okay. My who's back of the week is, we should have talked about this with college football, Kirk Herb Street's dog.

Yeah. He's back. He was back. He was in the booth.

Starting some controversy.

Max, what do you think?

A close personal friend of mine.

Yeah, you did meet him. The dog. I don't know how I want to say what I want to say. I like Ben a lot. I love Ben. Ben's That's very cute. I do think this got us in trouble before. Yeah, you know what? I'll pass.

I love Ben. Nothing to say. I love Ben. Yeah. I love that. Max and I got to see ESPN.

Espn people. Yeah, it's the same thing. Espn, no one...

If you had a kid that was a little baby that you would bring on the set.

What if I brought my kids to tape every show. I've heard this tape before.

You guys would be like, This would be annoying.

Who said that? I like Ben a lot. I just wish... I want Ben to be as happy as possible. I don't know if he's sitting under a desk at a football game, loud noises. That might suck for him. But Herbie's a friend, so I'm not going to say anything bad about Ben.

He's an emotional support pet.

Yeah, I'm not going to say anything bad about Ben. I like Ben. I don't like that Herbie has to defend himself online against dog haters. That's sickening.

What did Herbie say?

Ben was a controversial figure because he kept on going into shots during a little high broadcast. So people were like, enough already. Not me.

He was the most… Yeah, he was right there in between Reese and himself, right?

He had to almost push over.

I think credit to Reece. Reece handled that like a pro. It was the worst controversy involving a Booth and a Lincoln that I've ever seen.

Yeah. That was a little bit of stress, but I like it.

Yeah, but I was trying to get there. I got in the vicinity of it.

Yeah, you got around there. I like Ben. I like Ben.

I love Ben. I love Ben. I want to see more of Ben.

I would, too. I would like to see more of Ben. I would. You agree, Hank? Yeah. We like Ben. He's a good boy.

Hank's on none of Ben.

I think Ben's a very good boy.

Hank didn't see any. Hank only watched tape on Tyler Van Dyke. That's it. That's it. He watched every second of Wisconsin, nothing else. Should have at least come over and watch it with me. Oh, well, Herbie- Fuck it.

I didn't know they were on. I was sitting there.

Yeah, you had to defend him.

Herbie's got 30 tweets about Ben.

Yes, I told you. That's why I brought it up because Ben was controversial this weekend.

I like the way this tweet starts. Dogs should be playing with other dogs. Yeah. That was the- There's a lot of that.

Yeah. Like, Hey, this dog should not be be on a private jet, or this dog should not be at a loud stadium. I'm more- What if you got a second dog that he brought up into the booth so that Ben would have a friend?

Yeah. Now we've got two dogs.

I like Ben a lot. I'm happy that Herbie gets to be with Ben. Is there a place Ben could be during the broadcast that he doesn't have to feel. I feel like Ben probably feels like he's getting in the way. I don't want that for Ben. Would you guys agree?

He was just big-bodying Reece, though.

He literally just walked in the middle of the live shot to start the It was so funny. It was funny seeing his tail. He's a happy dog. I like Ben.

I love Ben. I love Ben. I give Ben 13 out of 10. Very good dog. Yeah.

This might be worse than the Taylor Swift stuff.

I haven't said anything besides I love Ben.

Is he really Herb Street's dog? I need to see video evidence of Herbie booping him. I want to see F on in.

I love Ben. Ben's a great dog. That's nothing to a dog with Ben, the dog. Ben does nothing wrong. He's literally done nothing wrong. I'm just saying, is there a place he can sleep comfortably and not... That floor didn't look comfortable for him.

He should have a bed.

Right. Let's get Ben to bed. But yeah, I had to mention because when I saw Herbie He was like 30 tweets deep.

Yeah.

Going after the Ben hater.

You know you're down bad when you're retweeting Florio. He did? Yeah. What did he say? Florio said, This is awesome. Take your dogs wherever you can whenever you can. Fact. I agree. I I agree.

I disagree with that take, but I love Ben. I disagree with that take. There are some places dogs shouldn't be because it's not fun for the dog. Chocolate Facker. Yeah, Chocolate Facker. Fireworks Show.

Yeah, agreed with that.

There's definitely places where dogs can just be like... They could still be dogs and just be home. Yeah, like a mortar exhibit.

At war. At war. Yeah. Well, one of them got the guy from Isis. Grape Vineyard. He died like a dog.

He did die like a dog. Grape Vineyard.

Yep, good point.

That could fuck a dog up.

Raisin Packaging Plant. Yep.

Avocados, onions.

Yep.

Chicken Bone place.

Dog Dogfighting Ring.

Dog Fighting Ring. Thank you. Michael Vicks Backyard. There you go, Hank.

Bad news, Kinnles.

These are places dogs should not be.

So Floriotek. Around Max.

Around Max.

No, I'm pro-Ben over here.

What have I said a hundred times?

You've been in some word that I can't think of right now about Ben. What? Insinuating.

I have not insinuated anything. I said I like Ben.

I think Max doesn't like Ben.

This is bullshit.

I love Ben. No, because this is classic projection.

I said I love Ben more than you.

All we've said on this podcast is how much we like Ben and love Ben. Then you're projecting your own thoughts about Ben when you're saying that we're insinuating something.

I just love Ben. I want more content from Ben.

Look, you can't even be happy when he says You're lying.

I can tell you're lying. You guys are lying. Wait, you want more content from Ben? Yeah. I think whatever is going on with Ben right now is perfect.

Yeah, you want to push Ben to the limit? He's 10 years old, dude. You're going to make this dog do everything?

I want Ben to do whatever Ben wants to do.

You want Ben to travel more and fly more?

God, you're putting the mileage on Ben.

Load management. I don't like you guys.

Okay, let's get to our interview with Dan O'Law.

Max wants to abuse Ben.

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Yeah. I thought we were going to talk about Tyler Van Dyke and Phil Longo.

Oh, no. That's going to be- All right. So let's go Mahomes.

In order. I'll try to give them to you. Don't hold me to the order that well.

Mahomes number 10.

Mahomes 10.

Mahomes, we're going to go Mahomes. We'll go Mahomes, one. Allen, two.

Burrow, three.

Okay. Lamar, four.

Okay.

Five has got to be Stroud, six. And I'm assuming, obviously, Trent Williams and Ayuk are there. It would be Purdy. Whoa. Seven would be Stafford.

Okay. You have to do that. Legally, you have to do that.

Yeah, I'm bound by Eight would be... Man, I'm going to forget somebody that's not going to go over well with some humans.

That's why we're doing this, with some humans.

I'd probably say Jordan Love.

Oh, wow.

Nine, Tua, 10, Rogers.

Okay, so no Jalen Hertz. No Dack.

Yeah. I would put the Trevor Lawrence's, Hertz's Dack, her cousin's- Herbert. Herbert. Those guys are right in that next group. It's why this whole offseason, I've been saying to mainly ESPN producers, Stop asking me for top five and top 10. So thanks for that. Because there's so many good ones. But Hertz is right there, man. But here's the reality with Jalen, because everyone, my wife from Philly, so she gets mad at it. This is third offensive coordinator in three years. Most times, guys take some time to acclimate to that. So I just want to see exactly what he is in Kelen's offense.

So about that, because we always say that as a cliché, but how difficult is it actually to go from a different offensive coordinator year to year? Is it, Okay, this is a tough training camp, OTAs, whatever, but we're ready to go week one? Or is it like, Hey, this is two guys speaking a different language that basically have to learn, get fluent on the fly when the regular season starts?

Yeah, totally. It's not necessarily completely different languages, system to system to system. At times it is. But I think with the style that they ran in '22, that Jalen ran with Shane Steiken was so unique to them in the way that they were relatively simple with their formations, but they were very dynamic in the way that they operated the quarterback run stuff and some of his reads and their past games and their RPOs. So So that was very unique to them. That wasn't necessarily like the Lafleur-Shanehán tree that there's probably a ton of similarities in. And then last year, it goes to Brian Johnson, who maybe carried over some terminology, but it wasn't nearly as effective. And also, they were terrible versus blitz and whatnot. So how different was their terminology, their protections, and the flow of a game? How does he want to start games? How does he handle third downs when we're 0 for 4 to start the game? How does he handle the philosophy of, We just got a turnover, a takeaway, or we just got a huge play? And so he's gone through one guy in '22, and another guy in '23, and another guy in me for now with Kelen.

And it's just, how is Kelen going to call his stuff? Because Kelen stuff comes from Scott Linehan, really terminology-wise. And he had a little bit of Joe Lombardi and Jim Bob Cooter. So there's a ton of different verbiage that Jalen has had to handle now. And to your point, now it's just getting a feel for the type of play calls that are coming into your headset. Situationally, it's a completely different world in that regard.

So among these offensive coordinators, which ones have the craziest play calls? Like the longest to remember, longest to say out loud, and which ones have simplified it down to a point where it's just a couple of words?

Yeah, the longer ones are the guys that come from the traditional West Coast philosophies. So anybody that usually has an attachment to a Kyle, a Mike Shanahan, a Gary Kubiak, a Sean McVay. Those are the wordy ones. In many ways, that's why Sean... Remember years ago when the hole, it became the thing where Sean was keeping the headset as long as he can, calling the plays into Jared Goff, and they were at the line of scrimmage. In many ways, it was because the play calls were so long and they were trying to get information from the defense. So Jared, he would just instead of calling 18 to 20-word plays, Sean took it and shrunk it down to maybe a one or two-word code, they would get to the line of scrimmage. Jared could say, double to the offense, and then one word to the receiver, and another word to the other receiver, and another word to the offensive line. And he didn't have to memorize it. Sean was telling him it. He's also telling them what the defenses were. So I think Sean shrunk that down a little bit in those situations. But anybody that's attached to those old-school offensive systems, those are the wordy ones.

The people that have expedited it are usually the ones that want to play with tempo. So Shane Steiken has done that. Like I just said, McVay has done that a little bit. I think most coaches have the ability to do it. It doesn't mean that they do it all the time. But anybody that's attached to that stuff, man, it's just words on words on words.

So a team that kept their offensive coordinator, the Detroit Lions, who got a lot of buzz, your Detroit Lions. I had a question about them, though, because they were incredible year last year, really tough football team, Dan Campbell Mold. Are you nervous at all about the Lions losing. I always like to go into the season and think, who did they lose? And is that person an under-the-radar impactful guy? And Josh Reynolds was that guy for me, where it's like, he went to the Broncos. They now need James and Williams to finally take that big step to be that second receiver. Are you worried at all about their offense, losing a guy like Josh Reynolds, who maybe not be like, get all the headlines, but he's one of those guys who will get those big plays and be a dependable receiver when you need a big play in the fourth quarter?

Yeah, it's also different roles and different styles. Josh is a big body guy that was a little bit more of a big part of these play-action past-centric offenses, which Ben Johnson, their play call runs. It's like they want to work the middle of the field, and more often than not, you want to have either a big-bodied person working the middle field or a person who's got great toughness, like Amon Ra, in understanding the feel. Jamison is not this big frame dude, and he's a little bit more of a burner. So just replacing the comfort level of seeing as a quarterback, and you're throwing the ball off the middle of the field, having a bigger frame person, it just feels more confident throwing the ball into that traffic window. So I think there's a lot of confidence in Jamieson for me. Jamieson has got to become certainly a little bit more of a complete guy and not just that vertical person. But I always go back to this, is their offensive line really awesome? Yes. And if the offensive line continues to be great, it always elevates everybody else. Harbaugh said it this offseason, that's the only position that's not dependent on someone else, and that's true.

So I think that when Detroit's offensive line plays to the level that we're accustomed to now, they dominate. And so Jared plays better, and Amman Ra is better, and Laporte is better. And so I don't think there's a regression in Detroit. The only thing that I have a question on in Detroit is, the fourth down and going for it last year was such a hot thing, and it felt like every time they went for it, it worked, obviously, but the NFC title game. But are they going to be that aggressive again? Because last year, I don't want to minimize as Coach Kemp, like Dan, but when you're the hunter, it's a little bit, I feel like, more freeing to go forward in those situations. Now they're the hunted, so you don't want them to tighten up. So are they going to be as aggressive? And then also, will there's a success rate on fourth down be as remarkable as it was last year? I think that's more for me than replacing Reynolds type of thing.

I think it will be. I don't think that Dan is going to change the way that he calls things there. I think he's going to be just as aggressive. He's calling plays on third down knowing that he's going to go for it on fourth down, too. And second down, that might even have an impact on what he calls on second down. So there are some people at home that are hearing like, Josh Reynolds, dependable guy you can go to in the fourth quarter of a big game, and he'll get you that catch. And they're like, I don't know if that's necessarily 100% true all the time. Sure. But you've had an interesting take on what's going on in Pittsburgh recently. So it was supposed to be a quarterback competition, right? Justin Fields Russie. Justin Russie. Justin Russie. Justin Russie.

Justin Russie.

I feel like you're firmly in the camp of... I don't know if you're saying this was not a true quarterback competition, or if you're saying that Justin Fields should have won the quarterback competition. But it sounds like you're saying that it shouldn't just be taken for granted that Russ should be the starter based on how he played.

Yeah. I think, one, Russ didn't play as bad last year. People made it sound like Russ It was absolutely horrific last year. I thought he played top 12 football or something like that. It was nothing glamorous. He was fine. And just watching this preseason and really only the game that Russ played, it was a tough watch. And I don't get to watch practices or whatnot. It was a tough watch. So I go back to when they made the move for both guys, it was like, Hey, Russ is in the pole position, but if it's a true competition. Then on August seventh, I think Coach Tomlin in a press said, No, this is a true competition, and the games are going to matter more than practices. So if you just watch the games and you take away the snapped fumbles for Justin or fumbled snaps, those are going to happen. I don't know if any quarterback was a complete failure in the NFL because he couldn't get a snap. So it's like people like, Oh, my gosh, we can't get snaps. And then the Sacks, the two that happened the week, the preseason third game weren't on him.

And so Russ is going to take Sacks, too. So it's like, if you're Pittsburgh, and I think Tomlin's amazing. I'm shirt. Come on. Standard is standard.

Love that.

Standard is the standard. So are you, with Russ, playing fine at 35 or 36, really going to contend against Cincinnati and Baltimore in the division? Really? No. So my thing was, if it really was a little bit of a competition, and I think that Coach Tomlin said it was, are they somewhat similar past game players? Sure. So it's like, why not? Not just say, you know what? The only real chance we have is if we strike Lightning at Abata with Justin, and all of a sudden, he puts it a little bit more together in the past game. We give him a little bit more confidence. We're a much better team than he's had in Chicago. And you did what Philadelphia did in '22 with Jalen and quarterback run. That's what I envisioned I would do. But it just seems like they're going to go with a little bit more of what they think is going to be consistency from Russ. I just don't think they're going to get it.

Yeah. I mean, Justin Fields, in his defense, I saw it after Cut Day. I think Ryan Polls has maybe five guys or six guys left from the Ryan Pace era. So that tells you what he was playing with. And that was only a couple of years ago. So it's like he was not dealt the best hand when he was here. This might hurt me, your answer here, but I would like to know, what is the team that is getting a ton of hype that you're not fully bought in on? And then the reverse, a team that is no one's really talking about, that you're like, this team is going to be a lot better than people realize.

Yeah, I'm not going to say the bears. I do think the bears are going to be a really, really good football team. People are saying I will say this, can they win the division? It's like, holy smokes, guys. Let's just let them get off to a decent start in playing really important games and have a shot in December rather than, are they going to win the division? So I do think that talk has gotten a little strategy. I've been known to strut some conversations myself. So a team that's probably getting talked about too much that may not be as good as people are saying, it's going to be like, I will say this. I San Francisco is amazing. I love Kyle. And we actually had Mccaffry on for the mad and reveal thing. And I asked him, I don't think he was happy with the question, but I was like, all right, dude, two years ago, NFC champion Championship Game, heartbreak. Last year, Super Bowl, heartbreak. What do you got to do to finally get it done? And he was like, score more points than the other team. And so I just think it's a real thing with, can they get back and be the NFC champ or in the NFC Championship game and try to replicate what's happened over the last two years?

As much as I love San Francisco and give, I just don't know if I'm banking on That happening again. Their offensive line without Trent goes to bottom five in the lead. And so that team, I'm a little bit hesitant on right now just to see what happens with them. And the team that people probably aren't talking about enough. I'm super high in Atlanta, dude. I really am, man. I think they're going to be so good. I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but the starting quarterback last year got cut from the Cardinals. Desmond got cut. So This was the team that was in it last year, essentially. I think the offensive line is going to be great. Kirk is Kirk. Drake London, I think, is a superstar in the making. I think that defense is going to be so good under Rahim. I think that's a team that That no question, can win their division. And certainly, if Zack Robinson, who's their play car or comes in the range, is any good, I think they're going to be really good.

I like that. I have not talked about the Falcons.

I put a bet on them to win that division. I think I agree with you. But to be clear, when you say Kirk is Kirk. What's Kirk is Kirk? Do you mean that? Is that a good thing? Because now I'm hearing it as a good thing.

Yeah. I think Kirk is like... So Kirk is going to probably throw for like 4,000 yards, 30 touch downs, 12 picks. He's going to have a bunch of big-time performances. Again, their weapons are really good. I'm saying Kirk is Kirk is in a way where you can bank on the quarterback play that you're going to get from him. And if they get good quarterback play with their young talent, I just think they're going to be a really good solid football team.

Yeah, that's a good one, the Falcons. I tend to agree with you on the 49ers. It's not that they're not great because they are. It's like a vibes thing, like with how close they've been and then all the guys with the contract things. Will the vibes be a little bit off?

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Who else in the NFC? If it's not Falcons, 49ers, just name them. But who else are you high on in the NFC?

I think Philadelphia is going to be really good. I know the conversation with Jalen and nick Seriani, and you hear reports of they don't like each other. Then you hear reports that they're totally fine. I don't know. It's probably somewhere in the middle. But I do think that they're loaded on offense, specifically. I think their young talent on defense has got to step up, Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter, specifically. But I think they will. So expect them to be really good. I expect the Rams to be really good. I think the Rams would have the best offensive line in football, maybe. The interior of their offensive line is freakishly big and dominant. And I think it's going to be almost I don't want to say the Denver Broncos back end of Payton Man, but I think they're going to run the heck out of the ball and just like, Hey, staff, make five or six throws a game instead of 45 throws a game. So I expect them to be really good. I think Tampa Bay is going to be a good football team. I favor Atlanta in the division, but I do think Tampa Bay is going to be really good.

I think Seattle has got to... This is a little bit to the point of... I was having this conversation with someone the other day, and they're like, What do you expect? I'm like, I can tell you the teams that I don't think are going to be good more so than the teams I think aren't going to be good or are going to be... In the NFC, who's going to be bad? Who do we think is going to struggle? I still think Carolina is going to struggle a little bit. I think the Giants are going to struggle still. That's about it. I think everyone else is going to be a good, solid football team. Arizona is a little bit unknown, but I think they'll be good, too.

It is crazy how the NFC has... The talk has been the AFC because it's got Mahomes, Burro, Allen, Lamar. The NFC has got, it seems like, some really solid football teams this year that's going to be a really tough way to get out of there.

What about the Bills?

I think the Bills are going to be really good, too. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

I was just going to say, dovetailing off the 49ers take, the Bills might be in that camp, too, where we like the Bills. They've been a fun team. They've been right there for the last several seasons, and now they had some contract issues. They've got new guys in, and the vibes might be off. We have a theory that coaches, sometimes they just carry the weight from these bad vibes around with them. It just becomes a part of them. And McDermott has been through some pretty tough ones. And it feels like if you have to try to reinvent yourself every single year and get over those bad vibes, eventually they're going to catch up to you and you're just going to be like, maybe this window is over. But I hope that's not the case in Buffalo. What do you think about them?

Yeah. Sometimes the message just falls on deaf ears at some point and it's blah, Blah, blah, blah. So I still think Buffalo is going to be a really good football team. Obviously, the Milano injury is massive. I think they're trying to replicate what happened in Kansas City post-Tyrique with a bunch of good people around the quarterback. Defenses are playing us a certain way. Josh is going to have to play a little bit of a catch and throw type of offense, and he's going to have to have the discipline to do that, but the talent to carry when it's necessary. I had someone say this to me this offseason about Buffalo, and they said they knew for a year or two that this year was going to be the maybe retool rebuild year, just contractually. And they were setting themselves up to be aware of that. And then next year, so the 25 year, was going to be the year that they felt they could really go all in again, financially and whatnot. And so I think if that's true, organizationally, they're aware and ready for maybe not being the team that wins 13 games or something or wins the division and probably still has a chance to get into the plus.

I think it's a little bit unknown because you got to see how some of the draft picks like Cole Bishop pans out or whatnot, like Keion Coleman. I still think they're going to be a playoff football team. I still think they're the team to beat in the AFC East. But if what that person said is true, they're ready for maybe not the highs and getting gearing into 25.

That was always the shame with what has happened, and we're obviously very biased for Josh Allen, with the Bills and the Chiefs, is that the Chiefs were able to restart their, quote, unquote, rebuild. You're never rebuilding when you have Patrick Mahomes a couple of years before the Bills. And the Bills were all in, and they had this older roster, and they weren't able to beat the Chiefs. So it's like the Chiefs not only beat them to the rebuild, but they're already in a different place. We were talking about it yesterday. I mean, the Chiefs have a chance to make history. And be the first team to ever win three Super Bowl in a row. What do you think? It's never happened. Do you think like, Hey, this team is just that good, and Patrick Holmes is that good, and they've rebuilt so well on the fly, and even getting rid of really good players like Sneed. I mean, is it crazy to say the Chiefs are going to maybe do this, which is nuts?

Oh, not crazy at all. They're better this year than they were last year. And that's with all due respect to Ligerius. Ligerius is great, but I And to your point, in comparison to the Buffalo thing is, it feels like every Chief's draft pick is hit. I don't care if it's the first round or the sixth round. So they've been rebuilding this secondary with some four, fifth, sixth round picks that they've just hit on, that they've developed. And I don't really expect the defense to take that much of a hit or that much of a drop off, and their offense is going to be significantly better, specifically just speed and catching the football. So they're the favorite. If you told me them are the field, I'm taking them. I think the two things that are in the conversation, if it doesn't happen, obviously, they got to figure out left tackle. That's going to be a part of it. But one, there's more teams and more ridiculously good quarterbacks now than there were two years ago and last year. And you just have to hope that you catch Patrick on a B or C day, and you're one of the teams that has the quarterback that if you catch him on a B day and you get your guys a game, you could beat him.

Now, there's just not a lot, but there's more than there has been. If the Jets catch him on a B day and Rodgers is on, they can catch him. The same with Buffalo, the same with Sency, the same with Baltimore, the same with Houston. And that's probably in the AFC, I would think. One of those five teams, you got to hope that you catch up on an AFC Championship game Day, like two years ago or three years ago, excuse me, when Cincinnati went. Patrick did not play good. In the second half, he was terrible. They caught him on a B or C day, and Joe had a good enough game, and they go instead of Kansas City.

Yeah. I think the Browns almost caught him in the playoffs a few years ago, right? The Browns had a really good game.

The Chad Hennie game.

Yeah, the Chad Hennie game.

That was with Baker, right? Yeah. Chad Hennie had to go in for Patrick and led that long drive, and I think he converts fourth and one to Tariq, and the rest is history.

That is the thing, too. I don't know if it's very reminiscent of the Patriots, where it's like, I don't think it's luck because they're just coached so well, but they do always have those big plays to fumble last year with the Ravens, where it's like, that's the play of the game. That's where they knock it out on the goal line. The Chiefs always find a way to make those big plays.

Yeah. It's like Tiger Woods back in the day. Well, We're going in the Sunday's round against Tiger at a major Championship, and he's one stroke back. You're going to lose. It's just that feeling of you're going to hit a ball out of bounds on 15 or 16, and he's going to make par. And it's the It's almost like teams are going to have to, at some point, get over that mental block of, oh, it's Patrick in the play. I remember it was, well, they got to go on the road, and they obviously went and accomplished that. So, yeah, it's just really a mental thing for those teams. And Cincinnati is the only one that really feels like they've done it and their quarterback has done it.

Yeah. So let's talk rookie quarterbacks. We are heavily invested in this rookie quarterback class on this show. Yeah, you are. Can you just give us a rundown? What can we expect? What is the ceiling and what is the floor on the first-round rookie quarterbacks?

Yeah. I won't touch JJ, obviously, because he's not playing this season for Minnesota. But I mean, Caleb is remarkably talented. Caleb is as talented physically as a quarterback that's come into the league, both in the ability to throw the ball and athleticism as many of them. The names that when you just say physical talent are Andrew Locke and Lamar Jackson. I'm not saying to do it in Kansas City because I've made a promise that I'm not going to do that type of stuff. But he's got that type of physical gift, that combo of, Oh, you were born to throw, and you throw it differently than a lot of other human beings on the planet, but you move differently than a lot of other people as well. So I think that if they can stay healthy, especially Keenan, Keenan's got to stay healthy because I think he's a really big deal when it comes to a super physically talented quarterback. If you have a guy that can get open quickly and be a possession person, it helps you play a little bit more boring. It helps you get the body your hands quickly because he's capable of doing stuff with it that is consistent consistency.

Rome's got to obviously play a top 10 pick. So I think physical talent is remarkable. The thing with Caleb that is like, one, and every young talented dude goes to this, he's going to have to learn what he can and can't do and when he should and shouldn't. At USC, he had to hit or run every play because his defense was god awful. There might be games when you just don't have it and your defense is balling, and you might have to take a couple more check or sacks will matter. And so is he able to figure out that balance of when to go chase the splashy play and when to be like, No, this is the NFL, and I'm on the road versus Jordan Love. And it's God awful weather. And really, the most important thing is me not hurting our football team rather than chasing points. But I still think he's got a chance to have a really good season. Jaden, I'm a huge fan of. I think Jaden, the number one quality throwing the ball in the NFL is where you could throw it. And can you throw it away from other defenders?

I think Jaden does it better than anybody in the class. And I think his experience at LSU in really learning, he had to handle a lot of motion, a lot of formation, a lot of protection. That bodes well for him in the NFL. I want to see what Cliff does with their offense. Cliff's offense is a little bit more standstill-centric. Hey, dude, just go get open or get to space. That's contrary to what Jaden did at LSU. But I still think he throws it remarkably clean and has a complete control and understanding of windows opening and closing. That's, again, big part of what they did at LSU. He's got to learn to stay healthy in this league and when he takes some shots and when he's not supposed to. But I just think he's so good in the pocket as well. And his pace and feel in the pocket of Washington's offensive line is solid. I think they're going to be pretty darn good on offense. Drake may... Development so far has been awesome for I've always said the Jordan love model. I wouldn't play him this year. I think New England's offensive line. I think rookies need three things.

Plus scheme and play collar. Alex Van Pelt is there. Don't know a ton about him. I know his scheme is a little bit Lafleur as in Stefanskies. I think it's his first time in a long time call and play. So that's to be seen. They need plus offensive line plus skill. They don't have plus offensive line or plus skill players. So I want to play him, but not in meaningful games, maybe at the end of November or December. But I do think he's shown development with his mechanics that you're super excited about. Pennex, I don't expect to play. But the brief time we saw him, he looked ready. He looked like he belonged. And then Bo Nicks, really, I remember when Brock started playing in San Francisco and you were like, you saw that the right way, or Man, that ball came out quickly, or, yeah, that's where the ball is supposed to go versus that defense. And like, Bo had a little bit of that in preseason. Now, it was vanilla stuff and whatnot, and they're not nearly as talented on the perimeter. But I am intrigued a little bit more than I thought I would be by Bo in Denver as well.

So I think all of them got a chance to get off the decent starts. Yeah.

Is it a possibility, however remote, that Kirk Cousins comes back and he tries to play and he's clearly not fully recovered? Because that's a serious injury for somebody that's his age, right? And maybe he struggles right off the bat, and maybe they put Pennex in. And if Pennex doesn't struggle, then you've got Kirk Cousins on a brand new contract, two years guaranteed at least, and they just to go with Pennex because he looks good?

So I think the chances of him coming back and maybe the injury impacting, I would say a lot of different styled quarterbacks, maybe. Kirk's a statue. Kirk's going to put his back foot in the ground. He's going to see the defense. He's going to cut it loose. So I don't think the movement element is that big a deal for him. So I have no idea how long it takes or what it feels like. I've never done that, thank God. So I would expect him to be the version of himself. And now if he struggles and whatnot, then it obviously could become noisy because the expectations, I think, are relatively high. And Michael is older and played a ton of snaps. But I just don't expect Kirk to struggle. I don't know the last time Kirk didn't play well. And I don't think the Achilles is going to be the reason why that he didn't play well, really over a consistent period of time. Hypothetically, something happens. Kirk isn't playing well. Michael's got to play and plays really good. Yeah, you're playing the young kid. There's no question about it. And then you're just figuring out the cousin situation after that.

So this is an interesting season because I think we have a lot of really good coaches that are not on the hot seat, so to speak, but they're in the category of they got to win a playoff game. Like Mike McDaniel, Mike Tomlin, Mike McCarthy. I guess it's all the Mikes. All the Mikes. Do you think that there is Something like something to that? If the Dolphins don't win a playoff game, they have a great offense all year, and then they just do the same thing where they have a no-show in a cold weather environment, what starts to become the vibe with something like that where it's like, you know you have a good coach, but you got to win a playoff game at some point?

Yeah. I don't think there's any chance that Mike McDaniel is in jeopardy at all. Right. I get your point. I just think with the way the team is built right now, the makeup of the team personnel-wise, what they've done with Tua, what he's done with Tua. I think also sometimes, last year, they were the one seed, and then they just got the Baltimore Raven syndrome of injuries. Remember that two or three-year stretch where the Ravens were awesome, and then all it felt like, oh, my gosh, the whole team got hurt. That's what happened with Miami. I think Miami's situation is tough this year just because they got to wait until about halfway through the season until everyone gets healthy. Jalen Phillips and Chubb and some of their offensive line pieces. And they're back. I don't know, you guys have checked it Their last eight or 10 games are absolutely brutal. If they're not firing on all cylinders, their final eight could be a nugget. Their schedule is that hard. They go to Buffalo, to New York. I think they're up in maybe Balt. Their last eight games are brutal. So I just don't think Mike's at risk because of everything that's happened for that organization.

Mccarthy, we all know, they're going to have to play well and win a A meaningful playoff game versus a good team for it to matter. I go back to the two years ago win versus the Bucks. The Bucs were terrible that year. Anybody was going to beat them. Mike McDaniel, Mike McCarthy, and who was the other Mike?

Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game since 2016. He just signed a new contract. Again, this is not hot seat. I don't think there's no world that Mike McDaniel gets fired, but it's more preemptive, Hey, you guys got to do something here. The Cowboys got to do something.

Yeah. No, it's fair. The Tomlin one is probably a fair one. You constantly hear that over the past couple of years, too. And that's a little bit why... Let's live in the world where the Steelers and Russ, Russ plays fine. They win. They go Nine, eight, 10, and seven. They don't get in, or they get in and lose. And what do they do next March then? You're going to be picking 20. Are you going to pay Russ $40, $50, $60 million? So what do they do at quarterback So I think that's a little bit attached to the whole Tomlin situation. But I just don't see. I get your point with the whole, it gets really loud conversation out there, but maybe not specifically hot seat stuff. I'm trying to think if there's anybody else that you can put in that category. I think Doug Peterson in Jacksonville is fine.

Yes, Siriani would definitely be in that category.

I think Siriani is mid-October.

Right. I think Sean McDermott, who I like, is in that category where I know there's a transition here, but if it's a transition here and they're resetting, that might be the part of the reset.

Albert Salah, maybe?

Yeah. There's these guys who I think are good coaches, and a lot of teams would want. But it's very interesting because it's actually, when you look at it, it's a Patrick Mahomes problem. Patrick Mahomes ruins everyone else because he sucks up all the wins and the Super Bowl that then you have all these really good coaches. It's like, well, you can't win the big one. Well, no, it's because Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes.

It's the Belichick-Brady thing. I remember when I first got started in TV, I don't know, one of the things that I was super passionate about was trying to get people to understand there were other great coaches outside of Bill Belichick, even though he wins every game. He coaches in, and they only are the only team that's in the same with quarterback. There's other great quarterbacks outside of Tom. And we're in that world with Kansas City and Patrick. It's like, if you're not Andy Reid, let's fire our coach. No, your coach is great. And if you're not Patrick Holmes, you suck. Josh Allen sucks, and Joe Groh sucks, and Lamar... So we are in that world a little bit where you just fall short to those Hall of Famers in a way. But I do think... I don't want to say it's fair. It's just the reality of life in the NFL. It's like if you are good and the expectations constantly rise and you're not meeting those rising expectations, you're going to be moved on from because the patience just isn't a thing in that league.

Yeah, we need to start an updated list of guys that got fired indirectly because of Patrick.

Because of Patrick, yeah, he's killing jobs.

Yeah, because it is. It's true. He is going to get...

If Sean McKermick- I jokingly say it all the time. I always be like, Yo, this is Patrick's fault. This is Mahomes' fault. We can blame Patrick for this. Why is this quarterback going to get drafted in the top five? Because it's Patrick. Everybody wants Patrick.

What we say on our show is when you have a Hall of Fame guy, and it goes back to braided, where their last level of being one of the greatest is they become a thief of joy. So you can go to around the league and like, Oh, yeah, Tom braided was a thief of joy. You ask a 49ers fan, Patrick Mahomes is a thief of joy. He's taking joy away from you.

I'll never say this to him. I'll never say this to him because I'm a huge fan of his. I have a son who can't stand him.

What team is he doing? He hates Patrick. He's an eagle's son. Okay, so that makes sense. He's a thief of joy. He stole the eagle's joy. Yeah.

Hates him. He's like, Oh, Patrick Mahomes. He gets all the breaks. I'm like, No, he's just the best player on the planet, dude. And I would never say it to Patrick, Probably, Where'd you going to get back to him type of thing? But yeah, I got one. He's like, My home sucks. I'm like, Oh, my gosh, dude.

You know what's really sad, though, is at least for me, I think Big Cat might feel the same way. I would I love to be good enough to have Patrick Mahomes steal my joy. I aspire to getting my dreams crushed by Patrick Mahomes. I got a fun thought experiment for you, Dan. So we're talking about the Chiefs and how great Patrick Mahomes is. Andy Reid, obviously great offensive coach. They've got some interesting weapons there. If it was the Super Bowl and you were on the Chiefs right now, Dan Orlowski signed by the Chiefs to be the backup quarterback, and the Chiefs were up, let's say, 50 to 20 at halftime. Patrick Mahomes has uncontrollable diarrhea. He can't come out and play the second half. And they're like, Dan, you got to step in there. You got to be quarterback. Right now, do you think that you could hold off a 30-point lead in the Super Bowl?

Oh, absolutely. We're going to Disney World.

That's easy for sure. You think so? Absolutely. Now, your defense gave up 20 points in the first half.

Right now? Yeah. No, we're fine, dude. I could waste time in and out of the huddle. I could get the ball out of my hands quickly to Travis, probably make one or two throws down the field. I would live in the Ryan Fitzpatrick world. That's what I would live in. Like, Hey, dude, this ball is getting chucked. It might get picked off here or there, but I'm also going to make some big time throws.

What would make all your interceptions deep balls? That way, it's like a punt. They didn't even count.

What would be the points we would have to have?

As a chief's person, what do we got to score?

No, what would we if we were quarterback? To not blow it.

Fifteen? Yeah. If either of you guys were a quarterback, because I saw some of the competitions over the Summer Boys. Well, we're swimmers.

We're swimmers. You can't take that away from us.

I saw the talk. You guys would have to have probably a 40 five-point lead for us to feel good about it.

I think that's a little bit disrespectful. Yeah, because we could just hand it off.

I'm thinking the other team is going to get six possessions naturally, maybe five, and you're going to give them another three or four. They just go 11 in the box. Can we go under center at all with you two, or does it have to be in the guy?

Yeah, I'll go under center. We might trip and fumble, but we could go under center. I'm short enough. I wouldn't have to even bend down. How tall are you? I'm 5'8. Yo, 5'9.

If he is a QB sneak, it would be a weapon. Yeah, it would be. I would just do the push push.

I'll get in that guy's ass. It's a good hypothetical term. Yeah, it's a football term.

Listen, I would go like six points of contact on the ball.

I'd run like Mike Allstott. I would be the only quarterback to ever have a cowboy collar, and I'd have the neck roll.

And then I'd just- And a Q collar. Yeah, just be like, Give me the ball. You need one yard, I'll get you a yard.

You need three yards, I'll get you a yard. Yeah. You would probably look like Field Yates did at the fantasy thing this past weekend. That was tough. He dislocated his shoulder trying to tackle an inflatable dummy.

Yeah. On sand, too. On sand. Yeah. That's I guess on one hand, you could be impressed that he was moving fast enough to land hard enough to dislocate it, but that's a tough look.

All right, so I got a couple last questions for you, Dan. This has been awesome. Give us your conference finals in your Super Bowl. Okay. Afc Championship game, I'm going to go the Kansas City Chiefs, and I'm going to say the New York Jets. Okay. All right, so you're not a Florida. Are you not high on the Bengals at all this I think this is the bounce back here.

I totally am. Okay. No, I totally am.

I just think it feels like everything always goes against the Jets.

And yes, last year was such a disaster.

I'm banking on a little bit of good karma coming their way type of thing. But I think this Cincinnati team is going to be fantastic.

I got to see what happens with Jamal, right? What happens with Jamal. And then the NFC, I'll go Detroit. I'll go Detroit and the Los Angeles Rams. I like that. Repeat. Yeah. Okay. And then Super Bowl? I'll say Kansas City and Detroit. That would be great. I mean, Detroit. What happens? Patrick Holmes steals the point. Should we just not ask you what happens? Would it be better if you didn't say what happened in that Super Bowl?

No, because the great thing about being a TV is the only time that people care is when you're right. So if you say... It's like taking 35 jump shots. Yeah. Eventually, a bunch of them will go in. What happens in the Super Bowl, Kansas City wins. Brutal. Which is incredible. Somehow, some way Patrick has the ball last type of thing like usual and finds a way to make some stupid throw. Yeah. Kelsey makes it play. You mentioned the Rams being the NFC Championship game and their run game.

I painted a picture yesterday. I'm a big visualization guy when it comes to my betting. And I He said Matt Stafford, MVP, is not a bad price because he's never been in the MVP, fully in the MVP discussion. It might be one of those. It's all about narratives. And if the Rams are really good, the one or two seed, he could be the MVP. Do you think he'll throw enough, though? Yeah, I do. And I think their play-action game this year, I expect to be so good because of the offensive line, those two backs that they have, and then just how they're going build their pass game. I think offensively, the chunks are going to be such a big deal. So again, I don't think the majority of their offense is going to be Stafford throwing it for, I don't know, 800 attempts type of thing.

But I do think he's going to put up really big numbers, and yardage, touch down-wise, will be extremely high.

So I don't hate the Stafford MVP conversation. I don't know if being LA minimizes that because it's not like a I guess, a massive NFL market, but I still think they'll throw up plenty with Sean and him.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, the NFL office is like the media office is in Los Angeles. So don't they share? Do they share a building? Are they share some of the facilities with the rims? I think the rims facilities around 1,000 Oakstone, like trailers. Yeah, I thought that they were moving, though, because we were there a couple of years ago. They've been moving for five years.

I don't know if they have yet, though. All right, so the other LA team, I just want to hear you say what you think Harbaugh is going to do because we're very high on Harbaugh. We love Harbaugh. He told us what, Don't bet against us, which inspired me to, in fact, not bet against them. I feel like, I don't know, the chargers, they had a rough season last year. Things were way up in the air for them. But I feel like Harbaugh is going to fix a lot of stuff, even year one. I agree with that. It's just at some point this league talent does matter, and I just don't know how talented they are in the perimeter defensively. Justin's going to be playing hurt, so how much can he manage the pain with the whole plantar fasciitis thing? And I think their offensive line is going to be a good unit, and they'll try to control the ball and get into good situations. But if Lad McConkey is the guy, and it's really the only guy on the perimeter, that is concerning, because at the end of the day, like I said, in their division, the Raiders are going to have a really good defense.

The Chiefs have a really good defense. The Broncos, I think, are going to be solid on defense, especially with Sertan. So I do think the Chargers are a much more competent football team this year at the end of the day, but you got to have guys on the outside to really, really, really matter. And unless Quentin Johnson, their second year kid from TCU, takes that jump and consistently catches the football, they're just not going to be. And so I do think they'll be improved. I don't think they'll be good enough talent-wise on the outside to really, really matter. Yeah. Okay. Last question, rowback question. Rho, B-A-C-K roback. Com, promo code, take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, swimsuits, everything, roback. Com. This has been so much fun, Dan.

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We've done Mount Rushmore season all summer long. What?

I don't know, 20 Mount Rushmores, maybe more.

Felt like it just started. Blind Poles, and we've ended with a tie for third and fourth place between Hank and PFT. Max clinched 10 months ago. I clinched two weeks ago. We don't know who's going to have to- No, PFT almost came in second. Well, if you look at the final standings, Hank and I were pretty close to Big Cat, actually. That's true, but you weren't. Yeah. Well, we weren't at your level. I just want to say congrats to the AWL. You guys did a great job on the poll on Friday. Absolutely master class. Hats off to you guys.

I'm enjoying this duel.

Yeah, so we've never done a duel before.

So we thought the-Oh, it has. No, it actually did. It started. Yeah, it did start.

Yeah, it will probably be in the PMTV. Pft won longest drive. So he is going to go first on the first Mount Rushmore and the third Mount Rushmore. It will not be snake. It will be one and one, back and forth.

The duel is going to work because we've never done a duel before, and we figured the best way to do this, the fairest way to do it, is we're going to have blind polls, truly blind polls.

We're going to put the polls out before the episode's out. If you're listening to this, you've already voted, and it's already been decided. These guys don't know. We're going to show the polling after. When are we going to announce who won? At the end of the show. No, but when are we going to announce to the world who won? At the end of the show. As of tomorrow morning, it's fair game for us to talk about. They'll know. They'll know, and they'll hear us at the end of the show. We're going to pull up the blind polls.

It's basically live.

We're going to do the Mount Rushmore and put the polls up right after.

Now, We're not going to look at it, so we'll be surprised when we look at the results. No internet, pen and paper. Pen and paper. You guys each have a minute when the Mount Rushmore topic has been announced. Max, Memes, and I have discussed. We've come up with three Mount Mount Rushmore that we think are very fair.

Now, did one of you each pick one, or did you pick all three?

We threw out a bunch of different topics, and then we whittled it down, and we figured, let's come up with the topic. Basically, our criteria was we want Mount Rushmores that won't burn other Mount Rushmore. We want Mount Rushmore that will have some good options.

Then we want a Mount Rushmore that will make you think. There's two that I would say are going to be a little bit easier.

Then the third will be somewhat difficult, but you guys will have exactly level playing field on all three of these Mount Rushmore. I love it. This is good stuff.

This is exciting.

This is good stuff. All right, so the first Mount Rushmore, you have one minute. The Mount Rushmore of guitar solos. No, I'm just kidding. That was a joke. I started to write Free Bird. I was thinking if we had just done like so, so sling. Do you just want to do that? The Mount Rushmore of breakfast taco places in Austin. Tyson's. All right. The first Mount Rushmore that you guys will be competing against, the clock is up.

The Mount Rushmore of HBO shows. Pft has first pick here. They're going to have a minute.

Max, would you like to discuss? This is thrilling. They're writing down. I just put up a minute on the computer that everyone can see so everyone knows how much time that they have.

Yep.

Who do you think has the edge in this one? I I actually don't know. I don't know. I think Hank thinks that he has the edge, but he probably will end up not having the edge.

Yeah. I mean, they both have watched a lot of HBO shows.

Everyone has. We picked this one specifically because it is really like... It's going to be tough to see the voting.

I don't think people will be able to figure out who's picking what. It's going to be great. Remember, we really only need like-15 seconds.eight shows that you can think of because there's only eight pics. 15 seconds, not 10 seconds. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Pens down.

Pft, you have the first selection on the Mount Rushmore of HBO shows to start off the Mount Rushmore duel.

I'm going to take the Meathballs of this draft. I'm going to go with the Sopranos. Great pick.

One, one.

Great pick. Max, we can editorialize because it won't affect the voting whatsoever. So we could talk about it. That's a good pick. We could have a free-flowing discussion.

Sopranos is maybe it's in the argument for the best TV show of all time.

I agree. It was a clear one-one. But here's where it gets interesting. It's very funny. It's such a funny show.

There's some really good HBO shows.

I love The Sopranos. One of my favorite shows, I think we can all agree, was heartbreaking when Tony killed Christopher. What's his name?

Who's the guy that got Phil Lietardo got run over by the car, right? Yes, he got squished. Then Bobby got shot in the train store, the Model Train store.

That was tough. All right. Tough to stomach. I think you're a big Janice fan, right?

You guys ruined that show for me.

You ruined it for thousands of AWLs. You guys should be sickened about the things that you've done to people, but for some reason, you enjoy it, and that's all right. Okay.

I didn't get to fully enjoy the Sopranos.

I haven't fully enjoyed the show.

I've seen it a million times.

I don't think it's the sexiest pick, but it really is my favorite show ever made. It's The Wire. Oh, okay. I had The Wire as a round three pick.

Yeah, it's a good pick.

It's a great show.

It might date yourself a little bit, but that's okay. Yeah, it's not the sexiest pick.

You're getting a Jews vote. Yeah. Jason Whitlock is going to vote for you. Okay. He only votes for winners.

Okay, PFT. Your pick is up. I'm going to go Curb your Enthusiasm. Great pick. Easy number two pick for me. Great pick. One of the funniest shows of all time. If we had the live odds right now, PFT would be up 70%. See, there's a That's a show that I think I enjoy more than Curb. It's Eastbound and Down. Oh, great pick. Didn't see that one coming.

I feel like that might have been a reach. Another good pick.

It's a great show. Listen, I love Kenny Power's. Funny stuff. It was a great What? Three Seasons? Was it three Seasons? I think it was more than that. I think-I only watched three because then it started to fall off.

There's some good pics.

All right. I'm going to go Game of Thrones.

I mean, Game of Thrones, it was a cultural phenomenon. You can say what you want about the last season of Game of Thrones. Are you worried at all that people will think that that was Hank's pick?

No, I think they're going to say this is a person that knows TV.

That could have been to the voters, they might think it was Hank's pick. Yeah, and I'm- I can't believe Hank left that. I'm a football guy through and through.

I'm going to go hard knocks. Wow.

Before we started, Hank said that one of his strategies he might use is trying to muddy the water where people... He believes the AWLs will vote for PFT, and he thinks that they'll vote for PFT no matter what.

And if he muddies the waters enough, they'll vote for him, thinking he's PFT.

Having Eastbound and Down, Hard Knocks. And what was your first pick?

The Wire.

The Wire.

I think having The Wire and Hard Knocks has done a pretty good job of that. Eastbound and Down, I don't think so. Why are you money this? Oh, my God. Pft, you got to just go with a banger. All right, so you have Hard Knocks as your third pick. He smile. Look at him smile. Yeah. Look at him smile. Now, see, the problem with this is- You know Game of Thrones is my favorite show.

Yeah, everyone knows that.

It's hard to think of it right off the top of your head because there's a lot of shows that I want to say, are these HBO shows or not?

I can't remember, especially some of the more recent ones out there. So your pick.

It's going to be one of the weird ones. I can't stop it. This is going to be a weird PFT I can't think. Real sex. I'm going to take real sex. Oh, my God. They're both fucking just puking all over themselves. Real sex. It was great. This is I'm the two first in Mount Rushmore.

Now people won't know which one's VFT.

Oh, my God. Real sex. Have you ever watched an episode of Real Sex? I have. I've jerkt off to it. I've jerkt off.

There was that one episode they kept on playing where it was just like, porn stars fucking dildos, and they just showed it all. Yeah, it was awesome. This is enlightening. Yeah. Hank is stunned.

He just got you there because you were going PFT, and then he went full PFT, real sex.

But it was a horrible pick. It was. Have you ever seen real sex, Hank?

No. But if the AWLs are voting for PFT, they'll see real sex, and they'll be like, That's PFT.

I had to do it. They will. He just pissed all over his Mount Rushmore.

No, because they're going to see Game of Thrones and be like, Hank, and then Hank also had the worst pick of all time. No. Here's how they're going to see it.

I know exactly how the graphics are going to look.

They're going to see the Sopranos, and then they're going to see Kerb on there and be like, That team dominated.

Then they're going to try to look to see who had the weirder picks, but they're not really going to care because it's going to be the Sopranos and Kerbian enthusiasm carrying my team to a championship.

Okay, so Hank, you have your last pick. Yeah, you're probably right with that. Ollie G Show.

Wow. You guys. Shane's listening to this.

He's making the graphic right now. Now, I know it's hard because you got to think off your head.

The fact that no one picked succession would have been…

See, that's the one I forgot.

I wasn't 100% sure that it was HBO.

I thought that there was a chance.

That would have been a dynamo I might pick in the third or fourth row.

I thought in the back of my head, there's a chance that this is an Apple Plus show. Yeah, because that would have been recency bias. Everyone voting for it. Casey would have voted for it with a Chinese farm factory. Well, because she was in it.

Yeah.

Entourage also played. Entourage.

Oh, Entourage. Veep is another one. The fact that fucking Eastbound and Down went before Entourage. Yeah. Listen, those are three huge misses.

But it's not so easy to do in one minute when you just have to think about it with no internet and just write everything down.

Banda Brothers would have been a good one. Banda Brothers was a good one.

Banda Brothers was a really good one that was missed. I love Veep. I think it's one of the funniest shows. I thought that could have been a different network. You thought that one might have been different? Yeah. Sex in the City, I also thought about taking just because it was a big show. I never watched it, but I know people did. Mayor of East Town, not really well known. That's a good one, though. White Lotus, The Jinks. I thought Rose did it the entire time.

I still think euphoria could have maybe locked up the Gen Xers. Your first three were so strong. I know. Thank you. They were so strong. Okay.

I feel very good about that. If I'm putting odds on that, I think I got minus. It's me minus 250. I'd agree with that. Yeah, I agree. I think Hank's in trouble. Hank might be in trouble. All right, so Hank is going first in this next Mount Rush war. Again, we're posting these polls live, so at the end, we're going to see who won all of these.

So is that one up?

No, it's going to be up at eight o'clock. This one is going to be very interesting. Very interesting. Very interesting.

Very interesting after what we just saw.

If he's going first and he's trying to muddy the water here, this one is going to be... Hank is going to have to do some thinking with what he wants to do.

You guys would be great hosting Squid Games. You sickos fucking love it.

No, we really... When we thought about which three, we're like... Because we knew HBO would be like, there's so many and there'd be some misses, and there'd be some really good pics. But this one, Hank, you might outsmart yourself.

Probably. We are going to do the second Mount Rushmore, and the Mount Rushmore of Duels is the Mount Rushmore of quarterbacks.

You have one minute. This is going to be great.

I'm going to miss the time of not dueling. I know. I'm obsessed with duels. I've been wanting this moment for so long, and the fact that it's here, and Hank just shit on himself. Next year, we might have to just change Mount Rushmore season where it's like an actual schedule of duels.

We just need to. Yeah, everyone plays everyone twice. We just dueling each other constantly. I'm so excited to see where this goes. Yeah, this is going to be- Hank, having the first pick in this one is great. Very interesting.

That's the content God's just coming through for us. Pft, I think, knows he's got one in the bag so he can maybe get freaky with this one and try to reverse it on Hank.

Ten seconds. Okay. Ten seconds. Hank, you have the first pick.

Five, four, three, two, one. Pens down. We can still keep thinking. Of course. Yeah. We can still keep writing, but now it's go time. Now it's go time. Henry, your first pick on the Mount Rushmore of quarterbacks. Tom braided. Okay. All right. There was a chance.

I can never live with myself. I can never live with myself.

We didn't know, obviously, the order, so we couldn't have even planned that, that Hank would have to go first on that one while also trying to be PFT. Yeah. Okay. I got to go. Hank's going to win this one. I can tell you the way that this draft is going to shake out, his team is going to be stronger top to bottom than mine.

So I'm going to go with the man Tom braided passed, Joe Montana.

Okay. Okay. Congratulations, Hank. Henry. Your pick. Is he Hank only knows time.

Yeah, it's true. I'll rush more of a quarterback.

Matt Cassel. He just went home.

For that one season.

So much time.

Yeah, come on.

Just make your pick. Patrick Mahomes. Oh, my God. It's a good pick. If you passed on that, Hank, I was going to be screaming at memes in the movie thinking that you were going to pass. Because you also just locked up. You just made a huge conglomerate of Mahomes and braided fans have to vote for that side. That was smart because if he got Mahomes, then it becomes like an MJ LeBron thing and you've fucked yourself.

I was debating Mahomes or Montana with my first pick. Mahomes is the pick. Mahomes is the pick. It's the pick for, if you want, people who are probably voting in this poll.

Correct. Yeah. All right. So then I'm going to go with Peyton Manning.

Okay. Good pick. Henry.

Name a quarterback, not name Tom braided or Patrick Mahomes.

We should have put a shot clock on.

Can he do it? Can he do it?

Folks, can he do it?

Can he look on the next phase right now? For people who are listening on podcast right now.

Say your quarterback's name.

This is Billy on the street.

Aaron Oh, interesting.

How many Super Bowl's? Oh, one of his Super Bowl?

Some say the greatest quarterback of all time. Literally no one. I said some. No, but I- I fall in with that some.

You think he's the greatest quarterback of all time, Beams? Right now, yes. No, no, no.

You think he's the greatest quarterback of all time? Yeah. 100% you.

That's what you actually think? Yep. Playing ability. He's a stud. Okay. You want to muddy the waters in the first one?

Oh, no.

Let's muddy the fucking waters.

Joe Flacko, put it on the list.

Oh, shit.

That's tough.

No, Hank, you just-I mean, Hank, you have this.

I got to play defense now.

He's playing defense. You have this. I thought you were going to say Danny Woodhead. That one time he threw a pass. John Elway. Oh, good pick. Good pick, Hank.

All right, you're playing it straight. You're back. That was a good fourth-round pick.

I think we got a one-one battle here. I think we got a one-on-one as well. All right, so I'm going to go Troy Akeman.

Okay. Dan Moreno would have probably played well on the-Yeah, but I just got done talking shit about Aaron Rodgers winning one Super Bowl.

That would have been tough for me.

Big man. Throw him up there. Jameis. If you didn't pick Flacko, I was thinking about doing that to muddy it. I'm just going to hope and pray on that one. All right. So your four, Hank, were Tom braided, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, and John Elway. Your four were Payton Manning. Joe Montana. Joe Montana, Joe Flacko. Troy Akemen. Troy Ackman. That's got to be me.

It has to be you. Yeah, well, we'll see.

The WLs would be doing some nasty work if you didn't win that one. If I had to do one thing over in that, I would have taken Patrick Mahomes over Joe Montana. But I think that Joe Montana does belong on that list ahead of Patrick Mahomes right now. But I think you got Montana in the second.

Yeah, I could get Montana. I don't think Hank's picking Montana. I think he would have. Okay. Because he only- I would have picked Payton Manning. No, he only knows about Montana because Tom braided broke all his records.

All right. This is a tough one. We've made it so that the third is always going to be the tough one.

You guys, again, have equal playing field because- Can't believe I missed entourage.

You both have been present for this Mount Rushmore.

So there's There's no way anyone can have an edge. The last Mount Rushmore and the Mount Rushmore duel is the Mount Rushmore of PMT Mount Rushmore moments. We only got one minute. Give me two minutes. You want two minutes? Give me two minutes.

Yeah, two minutes. Pmt, not PMT moments, PMT Mount Rushmore moments.

So it's basically the Mount Rushmore of Mount Rushmore. What the fuck? Hank. Well, again, you guys have both been present for all of these moments.

And there's only two of you. If there was four- Shut up.

This is a podcast, Hank.

We have to talk during these two minutes Or else people will not listen to the podcast. Some may say this is slanted against Hank because he checked out him Mount Rushmore forever. I also don't know if he took his Adderall today. I don't know.

He had to have on a day like today.

I mean, this is the biggest day in When are you ever going to duel again? Seriously. We have 10 seconds of the first minute.

Take your headphones off. He took his headphones off. We have to talk. All right, the first minute is up. Second minute coming.

So many great moments to come to think of, right? The way that Hank is reacting right now does not make me feel good for his chances. No, he's He's not acting from a place of confidence. No.

He wants to say, Shut up again right now.

Yeah, he does. He's mad.

He's thinking really hard.

Memes just said he has two one-ones. Wow. I'm not going to lie, I don't think I would be good at that.

I think I would be- This is hard. This is a hard one.

I think we need more time.

Yeah, I think we might. I'm okay with going to three minutes.

Three minutes?

Okay, I'm okay with that. We'll go to three minutes. Three minutes. Do you want me to...

I I can't say anything to jog memories. No. Yeah. I mean, there's so many that I don't know if they were Mount Rushmore moments or that there were other moments from the show. I mean, we'll have to just check the tape. It's two minutes are up. We're giving them a third.

We're giving them a third. We're giving them a third minute.

How was your weekend, Max? It was fine. Yeah? No, it was fun.

It was a really good weekend. Good. Good wedding.

Yeah. Don't say fine because someone's listening who got married. Yep, shout out Jane and Mike. It was a great wedding. It was fine.

I just felt like shit today.

That's why I say it was fine. But that's because I had too much fun at the wedding.

I don't know how you... Well, I do know how you do it.

You're in your 20s. Yeah, I have three more this month.

Yeah. I'm exhausted from just watching football. Yeah.

I'm going to the park with my kids.

It was basically on loop. I know that I'm a famous hangover plane guy, but being on a plane hungover is...

If we were doing Mount Rushmore, the last place you want to be hung over, a plane is easily on that list.

All right, we got nine seconds left, boys. Do we need another minute or are we good?

Are we feeling good? I would do another minute if Hank wants another minute.

Do you want another Another minute. It's not easy. Another minute. Give these boys another minute. The listeners got to be... They're waiting. Here, you know what?

We'll cut this minute out. Let's just not talk for the listeners. Okay. He might have 3,1,1. He just said he had three one ones. But he was also...

All right, we'll just keep talking. We also had... We knew this ahead of time. I didn't look any of these up.

So a lot of these are going to be...

I'm going to be...

No, I can think of a couple.

There's a couple of one-ones.

We also just never know what a one one is.

We never can explain that.

No, although Sopranos and Tom braided was a one one. I don't know. I wouldn't have been surprised if Hank picked Game of Thrones one-one.

I'm not a Game of Thrones guy, but so many people- But he was trying to money the waters.

I know.

He was trying to money the waters. Real sex was a crazy answer. Five seconds left, by the way, boys.

Real sex was a crazy answer.

Real sex was insane.

All right, we're done.

What are we doing? Okay. All right, we're doing it. We're doing it.

Pft, you have your first pick on the Mount Rushmore of PMT Mount much more moments.

This could be to decide the duel. Okay.

Right off the bat, I'm going to go with a recent one, debating the color of cheese for four days. Interesting. What do you want that?

Say on the graph. Yeah. I want it to say... I'm shocked. I don't think that was... I wasn't one-one. I'm going to say debating... Hank is shocked. Hank's face is shocked. Screaming at each other about the color of for four days.

Okay. Okay. Shane. I'm shocked. Hank, you're one-one. My one-one in part of my take, Mount Rushmore moments is the pizza topping stuff. That's it. That's the one-one. That's the one-one. Fuck. I forgot about pizza topping stuff.

But they might think because that was such a bad Mount Rushmore for Hank, they might think that that was you. Yeah, mind gave. But that was shocking, P. O.

That was bad. I might have blown that thing.

That was the first thing I thought of.

Hank is in shock still.

Okay? This is great. I'm so deep in my own head right now.

This is great because it's all of our own moments.

It's like our stupidity. Then you have to pick which ones. It's really the human centipede going on right now in podcasting history. We're eating our own ass. I'm going to go with my second This Mount Rushmore duel that we're doing right now. That might have saved him. Who knows?

But people haven't listened. Cakes looking like he's home free.

I'm going to go with a single hornet. I had that on the list. That was one of my one ones.

I had that on the list. Single hornet, I stand by.

The most That's an outrageous answer in the history of Mount Rushmore.

But this also, PFT might be playing a masterful mind game because those are PFT.

The AWLs, they look and say, Pizza topping a single hornet, they're going to think PFT.

But then wait.

No, I just reversed myself first.

You got to just play the game.

Hank's playing it masterfully.

We don't know who's playing it masterfully.

No, Hank has PFT's picks right now. He has both your pics. Shit. No. Hank's going to fucking pull this off.

No, there's still two pics. Hank could easily fuck this up.

I'm not sure if this is Mount Rushmore.

I might get denied on it. All right, that's fine.

Jack Nicklaus. Yeah. It was? Yeah. Good answer. You want to say Billy's pronunciation? Billy mispronouncing Jack.Mimes is challenging that.Nicklaus. Why?

He thinks that it wasn't a Rushmore moment. I think it was. Oh, it wasn't.

Oh, no. He was doing it for Who's Back.

He was doing it a Who's Back or a Hot Tater Cool Throne.

All right, so we'll... Damn, I had that on the list. I think PFT can pick again at the end.

No, he gets to pick again.

No, he gets to pick again right now. That's fine. I was going to say it. I was going to say it if he didn't. Confirmed, Hatsi Coolthor. Okay. Why did you take a piece of topic? I fucked up. Why didn't you take it?

Because I forgot about it. I didn't have the opportunity to look at it. Why did you forget about it?

It's literally the entire Listen, when you're under the bright lights, it's a little bit different.

That's the villain origin story of Hank in Mount Rushmore season.

It's how we got here. That's actually true.

Hank, the pizza topping's draft, you hit it, and that's how we got to this point.

Man. Okay.

Pft's pick. He's got to get a pick. We're I'm going to need a pick.

Hank not taking boob in the Mount Rushmore of Round Things.

That just happened? I think.

A couple of weeks ago.

We've been doing this for nine years, PFT.

Hank's talking shit. Hank's doing a deal.

All PFTs picked are this year's. Yeah, although that could help. Recent AWLs. I will go with Hot Sup coming Through. Was that a Mount Rushmore moment?

I believe it was.

I think it was... Meams, can we check that out?No. Mount Rushmore of Things We Think We're going to Lead At. I'd said it during that, probably. Because we were talking about moving through crowds.

I think one of my pick was moving through crowds.Yup.All right. Okay. So Hot soup Coming Through counts as a Mount Rushmore moment. We've gone to the booth. We found it. So that is your Third pick, PFT, your fourth pick?

Okay, I'm going to go Season 1.

Okay. Scott Van Pelt doing the bracket of Mount Rushmore's to finish off Mount Rushmore. Love that pick. That was a good pick. I had that on my list that I just came up with in my head.

Now, it was the first time we had SVP on the show.

Yes. We went to go meet him in some rented office space in Bristol because he didn't want to bring us anywhere near Homebase. We were on a whiteboard. It was a good pick. Hank, your fourth pick. I will also go Season 1. It might give it away that it's me, but I don't think it should matter.

Jump off a Bridge to Cure a Hangover. Okay, that's a good one. I couldn't think of much else. Would you guys have anything else on the list? I played recently biased to Jack Naclaus. Yeah, Jack Nuclaus, I thought was Mount Rushmore. Jerome Bettis.

Yeah, I thought about that. Taking Jerome Bettis, Hank teamed up with Max, and then Hank leaving town and Max dominating while Hank was gone. Titty Fucking. Titty Fucking. Oh, that's a great one. Yeah, Mister Positions. Mister Positions, Titty Fucking. Yeah, that was both in the same one. The Mount Rushmore of Numbers.

Oh, Mount Rushmore of Draft Positions with Jerry O'Kannell.

That's what it was. That's what it was. When he just didn't understand. I think his third pick was Austin Echler.

Yeah. Oh, man. Okay. Boys, how do we feel? I feel great.

I think I would say Hank is minus 170. I mean, that first pick was- Hank's minus I couldn't believe it.

Yeah, big miss. Big miss with pizza topics.

You didn't even write down pizza topics? I did not.

Just didn't think of it.

It didn't occur to me.

It's all I think about because it literally is the start of grumpy Hank. I know. I'll never forget it. He's never changed from that moment on. Listen, you got to have a short memory in this game. It's before and after Pizza Topping.

If we do a part of my takebook, it would be like volume one would be before Pizza Topping's volume two after.

I'll say this though.

If I win this because of Pizza Topping, it'll be a full circle moment. That's true.

So you'd let go? I think I would.

You would let go.

At that point, the Pizza Topping draft would be the start of the Championship DVD for Hank. Yeah. Or your mindset. So next summer, you wouldn't be grumpy? No. Wow. Because you used it, you reclaimed it.

I don't believe that. You took that back.

Oh, man. Okay.

We couldn't use that as an insult anymore.

It's a good point.

That's true. Memes, what were your one-one picks that you thought about?

Pizza Toppings. Yeah. One single hornet. The draft positions was also just one of the funniest things because you guys just kept picking numbers.

Jerry O'Cono couldn't figure that one out.

I wasn't sure about single hornet because I wasn't sure if I remembered it so well because it happened to my pick or if it was that- The worst- That was the worst pick of all time.

It was the Mount Rush- Before Pizza Toppings, that was the most talked about Mount Rush more pick. It was like, Scarious animals. Yeah, it was scary. It was like animals you'd want in a fight to the death.

Yeah, Single Hornet, just fuck with you.

Oh, yeah.

To be on your side. Yeah, because it can sting you repeatedly. It doesn't lose its stinger. Then if the other person's allergic, guess what? They're done.

You guys letting Billy pick eight pics when you guys only have four. I also thought about doing Hank blowing the Mount Rushmore of taco Bell. Yeah, that thought crossed my head. Or Jake and Billy doing AI taco Bell. Both of them admitting beforehand they'd never had taco Bell, and they just were like, Oh, these are chalupa.

I love it. I forget the one that I couldn't remember, which means it wasn't. But Jake in the old studio in Chicago said something last summer that was legitimately stunning. I can't remember it specifically, but that was the funniest. I couldn't remember it off the top of my head. There were a couple of Jake moments that I also thought about.

One was the Mount Rushmore Blue Things. When he accidentally said a competing blue sponsor. And he wanted to kill himself. Yeah, he did. We initially were like, Jake, oh, my God, I can't believe you did that.

We gave up the joke with Jake after about 30 seconds because it deeply affected him. Yeah, he was so upset. And I also thought about Billy when he would go off script from Jake.

Yes. And they get into such big fights.

I mean, that's just an entire summer, though.

Yeah. Okay. We're going to pause to do the rest of the show. When we come back, we will pull up the polls that will be final by that time, and we'll figure out who won. Good luck, boys. Congrats to Hank. I think Hank is the clear favorite. I'm not feeling too confident in my guys right now.

Okay, boys.

You just listened to the Mount Rushmore duel.

It's been the longest two hours of my life. Longest two hours ever. We've done the voting. I have not seen a single poll. No. Can you go put the cans on. Hank, put the cans on. You're going to want to hear what memes and mems have. We're going to pull up the polls, and then on Wednesday's show, so we do have a show tomorrow as well, on Wednesday's show, the loser will pick out of a hat to see what they have to do.

Hank, it was a pleasure to compete against you.

Any regrets before we go look at the polls? Big regret. Entourage. Entourage, succession. Big regret leaving them off. Succession, didn't know if it was 100% an HBO show or not. Entourage was just a miss. Pure and simple, just a miss. Would have loved I have the internet to look this up. Then obviously, I wish I had taken Single Hornet.

Wait, are you still not saying your regret is pizza topping?

Well, obviously, I regret that, but I didn't even write down pizza topping on my list. I'm still flabbergasted by that because that's all I think about. Yeah, pizza topping. The fact that I didn't think about it to even write down on my list, big fuck up on my part. Then I did have Single Hornet on the list, but I didn't take it because I thought maybe since it's about me. Maybe I thought it was more important than other people would think that it was.

I just got in my head on that one.

Yeah. Okay. Hank, any regrets? No.

You feel confident.

Let's throw on the field. Okay. So poll one, HBO shows. Do we have it, Max? Are we pulling it up? Memes. Pull it up. I'd rather hear it from somebody. Oh, you want to hear it? Okay. No. Hbo shows. Team 1, 79% of the vote. That was PFT. That was PFT. I'm going to say that for the listeners. Team 2? Team 2 got 21% of the vote on that. It means those is math. It's about what I expected for it.

All right, so PFT is up 1-0.

How many of the replies were like, Both these lists were dog shit?

Everybody was just mad about entourage. Yeah, fair. There's a disclaimer. You guys were under a lot of pressure in the duel. The duel is not easy to go right off the rip, not even have a second to think.

You have one minute to think. Okay, This one is going to be interesting. Team 1 is who in this one? Team 1 is Hank. Okay. Team 1, 85% of the voting. Oh, my God. Solid bath. Congratulations, Hank. I would have loved to know what happened if you had Patrick Mahomes in that draft. And then I'm going to guess that in the third one, we're going to see a result that's very similar to the second poll. Oh, no. I think Hank took it home with like 80% of the third Okay. The third poll, who is team one?

Team one is PFT.

And the third poll, team one, 55 %. No way. No way. Oh, my God. No way. What? Hank. Wow. Hank, what? Listen. No way. Are you serious? Serious. How?

He pulled it off. Hank should have won.

Hank thought he had that in the bag. Shout out to the AWLs. Oh, my God, Hank.

You thought you had that in the bag.

How is that possible? I think what Color is Cheese was huge for your BFD.

Because it was so recent, yeah.

Oh, Hank, give us your thoughts. This is justice for the AWLs. They wanted Hank to lose. I'm I'm stunned.

Summer of Hank officially over. Yeah, I'm stunned. That hurts. That hurts a lot.

When I heard 81%, I thought it was over.

Yeah, 10:33. That's insane.

On Monday, September second, the death of the summer of Hank. I mean, this is even worse for pizza toppings now in Hank's memory.

25% or 25,000 votes. Hank got double fucked by pizza toppings.

Oh, my God, Hank. So now you're going to hold pizza toppings against us forever. Yeah, that hurts. That hurts a lot. I don't know what-I can't believe that. I'm shocked. Oh, shit. Pft with the Now I'm seeing it in the graphic form. That was genius what he did. Oh, my God. What? Your third pick, Hank Not Taking Boobs, is the biggest giveaway of any of the graphics. Hank would never take Hank Not Taking Boobs. Yeah. Wow. I don't know if you meant to do that. I didn't. But that's exactly what it is. When you look at the graphic and you look at it, team two has a heavier line, but team one Hank not taking Boobs, is a dead giveaway. You should have taken Hank not taking Boobs. I don't regret anything.

I really have no regrets. You asked me before, PFT1, fair and square. This is going to hurt.

I thought you had it.

I thought you had it.

I thought I had it easy. Hank, are you going to hold me taking Hank not taking boobs against me?

No. I mean, you changed the graphic like three different times.

Oh, no. Do we need another jewel?

Because your pick was Hank not taking boobs in the X draft. Round things draft.

Yeah. But then the graphic was just Hank not taking boobs.

Yeah, it's the start.

But your pick was Hank not taking boobs in the Round things draft.

Oh, I see what you're saying. It does look better just saying Hank without taking boobs.

It's the start of the sentence. Yeah, without the finish.

And you asked them to change it.

Oh, man.

I thought that encapsulated my pick. I'm seeing some of the replies, and people were like, It's clear, PFT's team won.

Wow.

Yeah, I mean, you-He outsmarted you.

You won. You changed the graphic. You did good.

I'm happy for the AWLs because I think-You know what, Hank? They really wanted Hank to lose.

You know what, Hank? Whatever the punishment is that you I have to do, I will volunteer myself to do part of it alongside you.

No, it's all right.

It's all right. I will.

It's all right. You won fair and square. I wouldn't do that for you.

I know you wouldn't, but I would do it for you.

It was a good battle. That hurts.

I'm shocked. I thought I lost.

Man, I want the clip of Hank when PFT didn't take pizza I want the clip of Hank when he just lost. That truly was a great moment, though, because I thought you had won it. Yeah. I thought the only way was somehow the Flacko thing. Hank not taking boob.

I thought the third poll was a win. I thought I lost the Mount Rushmore. People have recency bias, I think. Yeah, that's what I was planning.

I think it's the third pick. Don't you, Max? Third pick. Looking at it now- The graphic The graphic change was big. The graphic change.

The graphic change from what you actually said. Because Hank not taking boob in the round things draft doesn't come off nearly as hard as Hank not taking boobs.

Right. You said Hank not taking boob in the round things draft.

Hank not taking boob in the round things draft.

The only way this could end is more conscious.

Would have also heavily implied that it was me saying Hank not taking pics in the round things draft.

It pops.

It is what it is.

We're arguing about deleting a couple of words.

You did ask them to delete them. Twice. I missed that.

Twice. So Hank-That happened in person? Yeah. Yeah.

Then I think he went over there. You made your pick look better than what you had. You should have just said, Hank not taking boobs, but you said, Hank not taking boobs in the round things Then you saw that on the graphic and changed it to something that looked better.

What were your picks in the last-Is that fact or fiction?

What are your picks in the last Mount Rushmore?

It doesn't matter. It doesn't.

But did you-I'm curious to know, Max, can you tell me what they are?

Memes pull them up. I had pizza toppings, a single hornet, hot soup coming through, and jumping off a bridge to cure a hangover.

Were those the ends of your entire explanation for what your pick was? Yeah, that's what I said. What's your pick?

That was my answer. Okay, well, more controversy.

Hank, I'll do some of the punishment with you. No, it's fine. You won fair and square.

You made sure you changed those graphics, and you won. Wow.

I didn't realize I missed this whole graphic change thing. I think that's fair. I think that's fair to say Hank not taking boobs.

Then why did you say that the first time?

Why did you say that? Why did you say-I did say Hank not taking boobs.

In the round things are after.

Yeah, but I also said Hank not taking boobs.

Yeah, now you did.

Juel, Juel, Juel, Juel, It is what it is.

I regret nothing. I mean, my picks were good. I thought I won.

I didn't. I'll do the punishment. I can read the room, and the room right now is thinking Hank's got a point.

Color of cheese also got changed. Yeah, we said two things.

I didn't even know that.

That wasn't one of the original two.

What color is cheese?

What did it get changed?

But your first one was arguing about...

Yeah, you just changed the answers to things you didn't say.

But the moments are the same.

But our pics, it's the same thing as what happened with a random guy.

Your pick is what you say, not what you want it to look like on the graphic. But it's your pick.

My pick was the what color is cheese debate. So that's why what color is cheese was on there.

Your pick was screaming at each other about the color of cheese.

Okay, again, I can read-No, no, no. I can read the room. No, I have no problem with the results. Shut the fuck up for a second.

You also didn't... Shane said this in the group text.

You didn't answer this in the group text. You just went up to him and had him change it. No, because they asked me. That's why I asked. Because they asked me, Are you fine with this graphic? Did I go up to you or did you say- I said, Are those two correct?

And then you changed the other two. You said, Is this graphic fine? I said, Do these match what your corrections were?

And then you were like, Can we do it to Hank not taking boobs and what color is cheese?

Yeah, I short of the Hank not taking boobs to Hank Not Taking Boobs.

The original correction was the Scott Van Pelt one. This is Philadelphia 2020 all over again. Okay, so like I said, I can read the- What, Max? I can read the room and I- Stop the steal. I can see that Max is saying that Hank might have a point here. I can hear in Memes' voice that he's thinking... Memes also might be upset because I asked him to do one second more work, and that's what he's upset about. I can understand.

I would like to say on the record, I'm siding with you.

You're happy that I won, but you know Hank also has a point. He has a point, but I don't care. So what I would like- After the Tyler Van Dyke shit, I'm out on Hank.

So what I would like to do- Dead to me. No. Hank, shut up. Let me- No, shut up. You got what you wanted.

I'm doing the punishment.

I don't want your sympathy like, I'm going to do one hour of a post. That's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying, Hank. What I'm saying is- It's over. I would be willing to run the duel back on Wednesday. Are we going to duel again? We're going to duel again? I would be willing to run the duel back on Wednesday. A reduel?

A reduel because I acknowledge that this could be looked at as me changing it. I wasn't trying to get away with anything, but what I was trying to do was just say what I said on the show, have the text match the moment that I selected, but I can see how it comes off the other way.

So I would like to offer a reduel. Should we let the listeners decide?

Yeah, we should have them vote.

I need a glove. Well, they're going to vote for a reduel. I need a glove to slap Hank in the face with and challenge him.

Do you accept the redool? I challenge you to a duel. We're never going to get out of Mount Rush for a season.

Yeah, of course, I would accept the redool, but I also don't like-Let's fucking redool.

So, Hank, if you win, do you tie in the redouble, and then we have to do a third redouble?Let's.

Fucking redouble.Best.

Two out of three? Or are we saying if you win the redouble, then it's your win?

Right now, it's one to one Mount Rushmore. Yeah. Or two to one. You're technically up. But If you're taking that one-off the board, then it's one to one.

Okay, so we can take that one-off the board and then do one more Mount Rushmore for everything? That works for me. One more duel? One more duel? Mount Rushmore?

A single duel?

A single duel. For Wednesday's show?

For Wednesday's show.

We would redoule and do the same thing post the poll right away? Yeah.

If we do that, you have to say exactly what you want on the graphic in the moment.

We can't have any... No modifications. So a single reduel? A single redouble. Works for me.Okay. You're going to reduel.PFT.

You're going to reduel?Yeah.All right.

Can we see a handshake?

Any time, anywhere?

Yeah, shake hands, shake hands. Shake hands on the redouble. Wow. I didn't realize that there were so many graphic changes, but I still stand with PFT.

Me too. Me too. So why are we reduel?Memes doesn't. I could I could hear the controversy, and I don't want this to be controversial. I want this to beNo, it's not at all. No, there's no controversy. You won fair and square. May the worst man lose.

You did win fair and square, but you're taking off the board yourself. I did not ask you for a redo. You offered it. I began to feel bad because there were significant changes that were made to the graphic. That is 100% correct.

I don't think I violated the spirit of the rule, but I'm willing to acknowledge that the listeners deserve to have a clean cut, no excuses.

Fair amount Rushmore. Fair amount Rushmore dual conclusion. Yeah. All right, so max memes.

We got to come up with a fucking banger Mount Rushmore.

We got to come up with one that's killer.

It also doesn't allow for any hijinks.Simple answer.The hijinks. Or just whatever you say goes on the graphic. Yeah, or whatever you say goes on the graphic.

Memes is mad. I knew Memes was mad. I didn't realize you went up to Shane. That definitely Shane, do you have anything to say? Shane, do you have anything?

I talked to Memes.

Memes talk to Shane. Oh, that was smart of you.

Well, no, because... Keep your out of direct…

It's like counter stallions.

Yeah, that was smart. No, Memes came up to me with the graphic. He's like, How does this look? And I looked at him and I was-For the changes that you asked. Shane, so you were given orders for memes?

Shane? Hello? Yeah.

Hi, Shane. It's a podcast.

We're doing a podcast.

Well, I didn't know if my mic was unmuted.

I was given orders by multiple people.

Wow. Who?

First, it was, I think, Max. Max told me PFC had some cheese.

The first one was justified, the Scott Van Pelt one.

Okay. Because it got a little wordy, and it was not necessary. The cheese one was what I initially had written was you corrected what you initially said, and you said you wanted it to say, Screaming Screaming at each other about the color of cheese for four days straight.

And then there was another change after that was made. Yeah. To what color is cheese?Correct.Yep. And then the Hank Boob. Just isn't what you said. Yeah. It was the moment, though, was the what color is cheese moment. The Hank Boob's one was, I think, the most-Agrégious.Agrégious. Looking at the graphic, I now see why PFT won that.

It's a clean graphic. It's a clean graphic. We should repost the original graphic and see who won.

That should be the redouble. Who would have won? All right. Wow. Redouble. Tomorrow's show, we're going to have a redouble.

I'm curious if people They're going to be happy about this or mad or what? Yeah, I don't know. If they're mad at anybody, they can be mad at me. No, be mad at me. No, I'd prefer that they're mad at me. I don't want anyone to be mad to Hank. Let's do the Mount Rushmore. We'll do it in the morning, and then we'll post the poll. Why don't we post the poll right before we record the rest of the show and we won't look at our phones again? We'll only be like an hour.

We'll time it up.

It's not like we have to be off our phones for the whole afternoon. Reduel. By the way, the guy is still not...

He's deleted his Instagram and his Twitter and everything else.

The guy who's supposed to eat shit. I will... Dog shit. I will make sure this guy eats his shit. He should eat... I'm not going to rest until he eats his shit. He should have Ben poop in the cup. Yeah, I love Ben. Max didn't say anything. I love Ben. I love Ben. I love Ben. Okay, Reduel. We got to come up with a Great Mount Rushmore, boys. It's got to be awesome. We got to think. When I say we, I got to think. Unless memes are max, you got anything. You're going to say color. Give us a color. A color would actually be pretty good. Should we drop a color on them? You know what?

Awl, just give us some tips.

Give us some tips. Throw some tips to me, Max, in Memes' way. We'll look through them. Okay. Good show, boys. Reduels on. Then we should have the hat ready to go as well.

So the loser has to pick out of the hat. We can just be done with Mount Rushmore. How about we do the hat first? Oh, I love that.

I love, love, love that.

I love that idea, Max. That's a great idea. All right, so we'll have the hat, so we'll be done.

We'll be done with Mount Rushmore season.

Okay. Numbers. 56. 56. 3, Ben. 3, 3, 8. 97, Pug. 40.

If either of you get it right now, the other one's a loser?

Yes. I love that.

Yep, I agree with that. 8 and 40? Okay.

Everyone say their numbers? Great. Ten. Ben? Twenty-one. Fifty-six. Plugged at 97. Fifteen. Fifteen.

Love you guys. See you for the reduel.

Reduel.