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We start in Dallas, where there was little border control at the goal line for Alvin Harris as he scored four times on Sunday. Derek Cardi D had a wet ass pussy. And when I say pussy, I'm talking about his throwing game as the Saints put that whop on Bodak Prescott to the tuna. 44 points. Hey, Teej, heard this one? Hear about this one?

Boom. Tell me about it.

They call him jersey Mike McCarthy because Jerry is gonna need a sub as a head coach sooner than later.

He's not on a roll. Boom.

Saints go marching 44, Cowboys 19.

Up north, where Sam Darnold and the.

Monosota Vikings put the kiss of death on Kyle Shanahan. Justin Thomas Jefferson had so much free.

Room on his 97 yard cutback touchdown, it was like the Louisiana purchase. George Skittle said, taste the rainbow, bitch after scoring a touchdown, leaving Harrison but Kerr Smith to shake his head in disgust.

The Vikings win and the Vikings are two and oh, Vikings 23, the Niners 17 in Baltimore, where the Raiders were down in the fourth quarter when Gardner Minshew said, go, go, Power Rangers, as he hooked up with brock powers in Las Vegas, morphed into an explosion. Explosive offense Daniel Carl Sun Tzu said, the supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without them realizing you're a real football team. Lamar Jackson had a chance at the end with a whoop and a whoop. Whoop and a whoop and a fumble, and the Ravens fall to zero two. The Raiders 26, Ravens 23. We go up to Ral John Maryland as an opening kickoff left the Giants.

With gno kicker to work with. Brian Dabo looked like his brain was in outer space, emerging as the worst challenger since former Washington commander Ronald Reagan's administration.

Too soon.

Boom o rings.

That's the sound the rocket made.

Austin Siebert and Ernie said seven. Seven is the number of the day as the new Washington kicker accounted for.

All 21 points of offense.

Malik it's a beautiful day in the neighbor's hood. Took his sweater and his shoes off.

And got comfortable in the secondary.

But Brian from Family Guy Robinson had.

That dog in him, leaving the Giants linebackers feeling very hatey. Commies 21, giants 18.

And we go to Nashville to our correspondent memes, who did not delete everything off his phone. Memes we go to Nashville, where it was a wonderful day in Mister Aaron Rodgers neighborhood. Calvin Cambridge Ridley found a pair of touchdowns and said, make me like Mike. While Tony Polaroid picture was an outcast in the second half, Will Levis Favre tried to take advantage with a Johnson being out, but Will McDonald said, I'll take a number three sacks. That is. Ooh, Bray. Lynn Allen was getting there. When you masturbate, think about my legs going back and forth and running into the end zone. Jets 24, Titan 17. Thank you, memes. And then we head to New England. The keeper of the lighthouse, Henry Lockwood, was on scene.

Former keeper of the lighthouse. Boom.

Yes. And he didn't keep anything today.

The keeper of the lighthouse was Malcolm Butler, who was there to keep the light and lead the Patriots. Celebrating the ten year anniversary of the.

Greatest play in Super bowl history, Geno.

Jaden Smith said, yeah, I went 33 for 44 with 327 yards and a tuddy to DK Metcalfe breaking boost.

But can we talk about the political.

And economic state of the world right now? Ramadre Lance Stevenson blew through the Seahawks defense into the end zone for six to tie the game up in regulation.

Jake Mike Myers was asked to kick.

Three field goals and said, yeah, baby.

The game winner in overtime. Patriots 20, Seattle Super Seahawks 23. Thanks, Hank. Good job, Hank. A brown boom to the stadium formerly known as Burrow Head, where a big man got in on the scoring as Wanya, Wanya, Wanya Fanta Morris caught a touchdown from Patrick Mahomes to take an early second half lead. The Bengals used a blue shell, finding Andre Yoshiva, Yoshi for short for his second touchdown of the game. But it wouldn't be a Chiefs game if the Zebras didn't get involved as the late DPI led to Taylor Swift's favorite player, Harrison. I like big buckers and I cannot lie, as the Chiefs win a thriller 26 25. It's kind of ironic that she loves Harrison Buckern. I'm not going to say it.

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Out west to Denver, where Tebow Knicks mania has yet to set in as.

A rookie quarterback continued to struggle in his daddy Sean Payton's offense. JD Vance Joseph couldn't stop the steal.

Urs as Darnelli Fertado.

Washington was a man eater after he.

Cooked his defender for a score.

There's no lut shaming in Colorado, as the Broncos used will to make sure their number wasn't zero.

Steelers 13, the Bronco six standing on the corner. James Winston, Cuyahoga. Such a fine sight to see.

It's Deshawn, my lord, heading to Tyrone Port and Jamus Ron and QB sneaks.

No more rough downs. He scored a touchdown. Deshawn Hayes, PMT, but he loved calm down. Browns 18, Jaguars 13. We kind of nailed that one team. That was good.

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Too many games.

Crazy.

Too many games at once. Every week it seemed. I don't know if this is going to continue through the regular season, but at least through the first two weeks, at some point I get lost in football.

Yeah.

I feel like I'm just spinning through a vortex.

Yeah.

And I get the games. I start making like, a melange of games. You ever have, like, dreams where you combine seven different things that happened?

Yes.

Like your work, personal life. I'm out there and I'm thinking, like, Baker Mayfield is getting sacked by, like, Josh Allen Hines from Jaguars. At some point I'm like, what's going on here? I can't straighten it out. I need to get better.

Yeah. We're basically watch these games, and when the tasmanian devil and there's just a cloud of dust and then the witching hour ends were like, wait, what just happened? And actually, we'll start with this game because this is the perfect encapsulation of what we're talking about. So I'd say the theme of this week was we had some pretty big upsets. And Raiders 26, Ravens 23 was the biggest in terms of point spread. And it also was the biggest in terms of, as we were watching all the games, the Ravens were up ten with like 13 minutes left. And we all thought, oh, that game's over. And then we looked up and said, wait, the Raiders are about to win this game. And now the Raiders are one and one, and the Ravens are zero and two.

Yeah, Max Crosby happened.

Max Crosby happened.

And then Brock Bowers got unlocked this week.

As I was gonna say, the Raiders. The Raiders, I think, are the number one team where I don't think they're good, but they have really good players because Gardner Minshew was under attack all day, but he then also reminded himself that he has Devontae Adams and Brock Bowers, who are both very, very good, and they won a game that I think we all thought was over, and. And now the Ravens are sitting here. Oh, and two. And you're like, what the fuck's going on with them? And they have Dallas, Buffalo, and Cincy coming up next three weeks.

Are we sure that the Ravens are good?

They might not be. They're also.

Now, they did have a shitload of penalties. Again, the offensive line is not good for the Ravens right now.

Ten penalties for 109 yards. Again, they were undisciplined. Again, they played sloppy. And I do think the Ravens are always good for one or two of these games a year where they just. They look like they're about to win a game, and then you look up and you say, what. What just happened? But it's significant because it's Owen two, and this is the first time the Ravens started. Oh, two since 2015, which is a long time. And now you're wondering, like, what? I'll read those games again. Dallas at Dallas versus Buffalo at Cincy.

Yeah, it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough.

It might have to be my pinky team.

I think that they're probably a good pinky team to have because you know that they're gonna be in contention. You're gonna stem or the ranks, Lamar fans. It's gonna be you versus Stavros. It's gonna be you versus Jimmy Seafood. There's gonna be a lot of. A lot of no love lost in any of those matchups.

Shout out the Raiders, though.

Shout out the Raiders.

Tough win.

I like that. We called the Alexander Madison baby bump.

Yep.

We told you. We told you about that. He's been holding a baby all week, so it's. That's better, actually, than when you, like a coach tells you, walk around holding a football all week.

So, yeah.

Fumble drawing a baby. You got three points of contact. You're not dropping that thing.

Yes.

Can't hold a baby like a loaf of bread. So Madison got in.

I'm also happy for Antonio Pierce because after the worst punt ever last week, I think everyone had the same thought of, are we sure he's a head coach material? And then to have this win on the road, eight and a half point underdogs down ten with, you know, twelve minutes left. That's impressive. The Raiders are. Are back to being a salty dog. Also of note, this is the first time since 1980 that for survivor, for everyone who does survivor leagues, that the. The biggest favorite in week one and the biggest favorite in week two. Both lost. Yeah.

It's crazy. I got eliminated this week.

Yeah. Bengals last week and then the Ravens this week against the Raiders. So everyone's bracket is busted.

Yeah, it's bad. It was bad for me. I'm in Matt Jones Survivor League right now, and I think, like, half the pool got eliminated in week two.

Yes. Gonna win in week four.

It's okay. But, you know, here's the thing is there are too many leagues that I'm in.

Yeah.

When it comes to fancy football, first touchdown score, other fancy football survivor, there's just too many different ways that you have to compete about watching football.

Yes.

And I can't win them all.

Yeah.

I'm lucky if I win one.

And it's good to have this one just off the books. Yeah.

So I don't even have to worry about. That's one less text that I have to send on Thursdays every year.

Exactly. So, yeah, I'm in agreement with you. That is, it does feel like the survivor league is you don't pay attention to your survivor league picks until, like, week seven. That's when you have to actually start thinking about it. I know that there will be some people like, hey, I map this whole thing out the whole time and I'm really smart about it. Well, that's not us.

No.

We think about it right before kickoff on Thursday night.

Yep.

And then say, oh, who's the biggest spread? Okay, let's use them. And if you did that, you would have been out double.

I think that two years in a row. Not this year, because obviously I just got balanced this year. But the prior two years, I was eliminated by week five for not submitting a pick.

Yeah.

So that's just. It's honestly good that I got eliminated this early. Yeah, I'm happy with that. But, yeah. The credit to the Raiders, I'm told that Antonio Pierce does have an analytics guy.

Oh.

That tells him what to do. And Antonio Pierce just said, no, I'm going to go with my gut. In week one.

It was Deuce Gruden.

It was. It was not deuce Gruden. That'd be a great analytics guy. Just, like, pick up heavier stuff. We were converting everything to kilograms.

Yeah. The. I have a question for you. Pft, Derek Henry. So he started very slow.

Yep.

He was good in the second half.

Yep.

But is that an issue for the ravens in the fact that if you have Derek Henry, the only way that you can effectively use Derek Henry is that you have to keep running Derrick Henry so you can have moments where you're like, hey, this isn't working. But we have to go through the wall and running him in order to get the effective Derrick Henry. And he's clearly not the same as he was, you know, three or four years. No running back is.

He does look better in the Ravens outfit, though. He does. Those colors look awesome on Derrick Henry.

He also had a nasty, nasty, old school Derrick Henry stiff arm. That rocked. But is that. Are you too beholden to Derrick Henry when you know that the only way to use him correctly is you just have to keep going even if it's not working?

See, I think that's exactly why they got him. Because the knock against the Ravens last year in the playoffs was they abandoned the run. So by having Derek Henry on her team, it's almost forcing you, like, hey, remember, you have to keep running the football because if you don't, there's no use in having Derek Henry.

I was just thinking about it because I think the Ravens are going to end up being a playoff team. That's why I kind of don't want him to make my pinky team. Just a reminder, my pinky team is a team that was, has Super bowl aspirations, starts. Oh, and two, I say I'll cut off the tip of my pinky if they win the Super bowl. I'm, contrary to popular belief, I think people think that I'm trying to do it to pick a team that could, that I still think can win the Super bowl. I'm doing it because I think this team cannot win the super bowl, and I think the Ravens could still win the Super bowl. So I. That's why, like, being true to myself, I can't really pick them. But I was thinking about it. Just.

Some people will call you coward for that.

No, because that. The whole thing started with crossing a team off and saying they cannot win the Super bowl if I like, why would I. Why would I pick them if I still think they can win the Super bowl?

You won't, right? You won't do it.

I see what's happening here. I'm going to. I'm going to go back to the Derek Henry talk.

You're not going to do it.

The. I was thinking about it because the Titans were. Their identity was Derek Henry.

Yeah.

The Ravens have more guys than the Titans did.

Yeah.

So is there. This is dumb. I might be wrong.

I know what you're saying. Because they have to spread the ball around. They can't rely on just being like Derek Henry. Focused offense.

Right.

Because they've got Lamar Jackson, who's also great at running the footballers, Isaiah likely and Mark Andrews. They've got good players on offense, and their offense has been good. Not having to just run the ball down your throat the right time. Like, they do more interesting stuff with their running game than the Titans did, which was Titans would just. Here, Derek Henry, you take it. Tractor Cito season. Yeah.

And he wasn't the problem today because, like I said, he did play well in the second half and got it going. It was just a thought. Yeah.

No, it's. I don't think it's a terrible thought to have. I think that the Ravens have. They've got a lot of issues, but I wouldn't look too heavily into Derek Henry being a deep problem with the team just yet. But he might not be the same Derek Henry that we've seen the past. I think that's fair to say.

It just sucks when he starts slow, and it's like. I think he had, like, seven carries for four yards the game, but that's kind of how it goes with it.

I have a question for you, big cat.

Yeah.

Is Justin Tucker washed?

Yes. He is washed compared to peak Justin Tucker, 100%.

Yes. He's no longer Justin Tucker.

He's no longer. Hey, we have a 50 yard field goal. We're gonna make it because we have Justin Tucker.

Yeah. He got out kicked today.

Yeah.

Is actually a Tucker Carlson game.

There are also, like, two or three kickers that you could say off the top of your head that are better than him.

Harrison Bucker, Aubrey from.

From Cowboys is better.

Yep.

McPherson might be, I don't know, miss.

An extra point today.

Yeah.

Yeah. I know what you're saying. Justin Tucker, he used to be automatic. This is crazy to say. This is an insane statement to make. He used to be automatic from 60 and in.

Yeah. It would. Never a problem. Never a problem for him. Yeah. And he. He did miss. What did he miss? A 50 yarder?

Yeah. I think it was another bomb today. So don't get me wrong. I would love to have Justin. Well, actually, no, I wouldn't. My kicker didn't miss a field goal today. Yeah.

That's the thing, that. That sucks for Justin Tucker is that we just compare him to old Justin Tucker.

Yeah.

So it's not that he sucks. He's still a very good kicker. He just. We expect him to make every single kick no matter what.

Yeah.

And now he's missed a few 50 yarders, like, oh, well, he's kind of washed yeah, he's still better than, you know, 90% of the kickers.

This might be a hardball problem. Harbaugh maybe hasn't realized that if he just uses Justin Tucker like a regular kicker, then he's going to be one of the best kickers in the league.

Yeah. By the way, we still don't have a team that's lost to harbor brothers back to back. That is true, according to our research.

And John Harbaugh is now one and one against brothers this year.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Bucks Lions. Bucks 20, Lions 16. That was. That was my gutsy win of the week by the Bucks. Gutsy. I like that win that because that was a Baker Mayfield winter. They had a ton of injuries on defensive back or secondary. They had Vita Vay went out halfway through the game. They got offensive line issues. They just found a way to win that game. And we'll talk about the lines in a sec, but I want to give props to Baker, who I just love watching and rooting for. He got sacked three times in the first quarter by Aidan Hutchinson. Most guys would be like, fuck this. I'm out. And he was just. Big play after big play, that QB draw to for the go ahead touchdown. It was the second team since 1970 to win despite being outgained by 200 plus yards and having a minus five sack differential. I don't know how many times that's happened, but that's a. That on paper, that's a bad game. If you get outgame by 200 and you have a minus five sack differential.

It'S very hard to win those games without the other team straight up giving you those games. And the Lions did make a couple mistakes, but the Bucks, you're right about Baker. Like, when he runs with the football, we forget that Baker's sneaky, elusive.

Yes.

Like, not only is he tough, not only is he going to put his head down, try to run you over, but Baker in the open field, he will make a guy miss every time.

Yeah.

And he's so fun to watch. The way, I think it's because he, like, he carries the ball with almost a straight arm down at his legs right as he's juking you out. Like, right. A lot of other players will tuck it up and run, but he's got the ball dangling out there, too, like he's almost distracting you with it. Gives you the dead, dead leg steps around you and, yeah, the Bucks. You called it the gutsy one of the week.

Yeah, the gutsy winner.

I think this might be Todd Bowles signature win yet.

He won a playoff game.

He wants game.

Won a playoff game.

But I'm going to give Todd Bowles his signature win this week.

Okay.

Signature wins for Todd Bulls. We've all been waiting for one.

It was, it was like they shouldn't have won that game. And if you just look at the box score and the Lions were able to move the ball, and then they just stalled in the red zone. I think they were one for seven in the red zone. And the big issue, there were two big issues for the Lions. Jared didn't play well, and Dan Campbell.

Cost him at the end of the first half.

He's. And I don't even know what was happening at the end of the game when they didn't take any shots to the end zone.

Yeah, that was weird, too. That's very strange.

Dan Campbell, I love that he's, I think he's so disgusted with himself that he can't say the word I. So after the game, he said in the press conference, I asked for improvement. I guess he said, I there. I asked for improvement from last week. We did improve. Their coach cost them. Their head coach cost them this one.

I like that he's making himself either a fan or a member of the media.

It's like a disassociation of their head coach costumes.

I like that a lot. Yeah, I like that a lot. That's, that's a really powerful way of taking accountability. That's. That's way better than saying we.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's way better than saying we. And Dan Cable did cost him a game. Like it was. He had multiple ch. I mean, he did a classic Dan Campbell where he ended up doing a fake punt out of the end zone. That worked. But he also punted, I think, with, like, 1013 minutes left from the 41, which was a little weird. I think it was a fourth and seven, but still, I don't know. Dan Campbell was kind of all over the place.

I think Dan Campbell is the league leader for the last three seasons of people saying, if that doesn't work out, that's a fireable offense.

Yeah.

After it worked out.

Yeah.

You know, somehow it usually works out for Dan. But the end of the first half, they were in complete disarray. They were trying to get the field goal unit onto the field at the same time as the offense was running a play.

Yeah.

So I think they ended up having, like, 20 guys on the 25 men on the 25. That's slightly too many men on the field at any given time. And, yeah, their coach, their coach really sold them short on that one.

Yeah.

So Dan Campbell, not a good job there.

Well, no, Dan Campbell's fine.

It's their head coach, whoever their head coach happened.

Their head coach. Yeah. Fuck that up.

Yeah. But I guess you could say the Bucks have now beaten two outstanding teams. Yeah, I think I have the Bucks number one in my power rankings right now.

Yeah, there you go.

So that's good.

Commanders in the commanders and the Lions.

And also, if you're a Lions fan, just remind yourself that last year you won week one and then you lost week two.

That's a good reminder.

Lost to the Seahawks at home. We have two last year. So this has happened before and your team turned out fine and you improved. Yes.

Because Dan Campbell said you improved. It's just that their head coach did that.

Their head coach did it.

Their head coach screwed that one. Yep. Yeah. It also, this is, this is why you can't do the commercials because then people were clowning on the Applebee's commercial after that first half. End of first half.

Mm hmm.

Is you just gave it to people. But that's their head coach.

That's their head coach.

That's not Dan Campbell.

That's their actor.

Yeah, that's their actor.

That's their actor. Who's different from their head coach.

Just plays a coach on tv.

Yeah, their actor did a great job.

Yeah. Okay, next up I had Saints Cowboys Saints 44, cowboys 19 pft here's my question for you. If we were just going off of two weeks, are the Saints the best team in the NFL?

Yes, they are second best.

They, I think they are the best team in the NFL. If you go off two weeks, I.

Think that the entire NFC south is a lot better than we thought it was going to be.

Yeah, I'd agree with that. But the Saints are so. Their cumulative scores are 91 to 20. They have not had a second where they've been trailing in the first two games. Their defense is nasty. Derek Carr, eleven year bump looks awesome. Alvin Camara looks like old school Alvin Camara. He had 180 yards and four touchdowns.

Their offensive line looked really good today.

Yes, they kept them. So not only that, but Derek Carr, 1st 15 drives of the season, the Saints scored points. Now they took him out of the game against the Panthers and they punched it twice. But the next closest, next best was the 2000. Falcons started their season with seven straight drive scoring points, 15 straight drives scoring points for the Saints. If you had to do a BC's poll, the Saints would be number one.

Yeah, I mean, they, they have looked unstoppable. And two, and it's not the Panthers that they're playing against the Cowboys. And their defensive line is supposed to be really, really good. We saw week one that they can play really well, and the big question was going to be for the offensive line, they held up really well today. And so if you add that into what they're doing with their offense, with Rashid Shahid and Alvin Kamara just getting open all the time, looking like old school. Old school Alvin Kamara, it's, it's tough to imagine a team that you would put ahead of them besides the Buccaneers.

Yeah. Hank, as a Cowboys fan, did you see the. Now I don't really believe it, but it was still funny to think it might be real. Someone tweeted out that a Cowboys fan, Jono Barnes, tweet out a Cowboys fan just airdropped this to my entire section. If we don't fire Mike McCarthy, I'm beating the fuck out of everybody here. Don't think it's real, but still kind of funny just to imagine that a Cowboys fan. I mean, you're a Cowboys fan. That's kind of what you guys get angry about.

Yeah, I mean, I kind of gave up my fandom last year after the playoffs. We, we talked about it, but I think you got to have the conversation.

Yeah, well, this was, in a weird way, spin zone for Cowboys fans. This felt like a playoff loss because usually when the Cowboys get to the playoffs, they have a game where I dak, maybe like on paper, isn't like the main problem, but their defense gets bullied. And if you watch the game, you're like, oh yeah, dak, he didn't play so, so bad. But he also missed some guys and they're offense stalled in the red zone.

Yeah, he didn't play bad. I'll agree with you. But there was one interception that he had.

Yes.

Was like, that's what we were waiting for that that press got and they're.

Off installed in the red zone, which is exactly what happened last year. And then their defense, which was good last year, got bullied against the packers. And so maybe now you just have this conversation right now about Mike McCarthy, but I guess Jerry Jones already settled this by just turning up the heat.

Yeah, he's like, I'm gonna. He's all in. Jerry Jones is all in right now. He's not gonna get rid of Mike McCarthy. He settled in with Dak. He settled in with CD. I feel this is Jerry Jones just nesting. It's nesting for his imminent demise.

Yeah.

So he's just like, I want to keep the guys around me that I'm going to have for the rest of my life. We're going to get to know each other. We're going to be a family. So I. Yeah, I don't, I don't know if Mike McCarthy is going to go anywhere unless they do something crazy this year. I, I've been thinking that he would for the last two seasons, but now I'm falling more into the camp of Jerry Jones. He just wants people that are going to be around.

Well, we talked about it in one of our preseason interviews with someone like Jerry Jones, the, the nineties Jerry Jones. We still think that's the guy. Jerry Jones is like too loyal to his coaches. He kept Jason Garrett for way too long. Yeah. So I think he's going to probably just keep Mike McCarthy for way too long.

Yeah, he probably will. Some might argue he already has.

Yeah, that's true.

I have a fun fact. Did you know that Derek Carr's middle name is literally Dallas?

Oh, I didn't.

Yeah.

That's awesome.

I guess he grew up his like, parents and grandparents were cowboys.

He's DDC.

He's DDC.

That's.

And he looks cool. I think Derek Carr got cool this year.

Yeah, he came on PMT.

He came on PMT. He, he scored a touchdown, did a Michael Jackson end zone celebration.

Yep.

He like, grabbed his crotch, which I never would have imagined that Derek Carr would do. Yeah.

Kids are watching.

Kids are watching at home. Derek, I hope you apologize for that. But yeah, he, he looks cool. He looks fun to watch. He's throwing the ball deep. He's, I mean, he's taking what the defense gives, gives him. But he, having Rashid Shahid out there when he uncorks one, it looks good. Yeah, it looks exciting.

She does. Top team to or top guys name to say.

Great name to say, great name to say. Now, big cat, I have a question for you.

Yeah.

Do you think that the Cowboys are frauds?

No, because they have who they play.

Week one, browns, they beat the Browns week one.

No, I don't think they're fraud yet. I think they're to be determined because you have to be, you have to have a good record and win games decisively to be certified. I don't think you can call anyone a fraud. Week two, I think it needs, you need a little bit of a body of work. You need a month and a half where it's like, oh, we're four and two. And the four wins were by 20. Plus, and the two losses were against good teams. Yeah, those are the fraud teams. So I don't think they're frauds yet. I just think, I don't know if they're good.

I think this loss today might be submitted as evidence down the line for them being frauds.

Yeah.

So they, I don't think we can call them frauds either, but I do think that this would be a big bulletin point if we reach that point where they're four and two.

Yeah, I'd agree with that. I'm, I'm happy for Saints fans because it does feel like they've been since Drew Brees kind of just going in circles. Every year you hear about them being in Capel, they kind of run it back. Dennis Allen is the most forgettable coach in the NFL, but credit to him, he did hire Clint Kubiak, who's done a really good job through two games. But it feels like the Saints are a fun team and like I said, their defense is playing nasty, too, so it's not just their offense has been lights out. They, they've been both sides of the ball. So I'm happy for Saints fan.

It's cool to have an identity. Besides, we're going to let taste hill run through linebackers faces.

Right.

And so that's a nice piece to have.

Right.

That's a great piece to have, but you don't want that to be your thing as an offense.

Yeah. Your only thing. Yeah. And the thing that you have to hope works every single time. And then once a year when he gets hurt, you're like, well, this is going to suck.

Yeah. Now what do we do?

Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, good for, good for the Saints.

Yep.

Happy for the Saints. All right, you want to go to the next game?

Yeah, let's do it.

Commanders have won.

Commanders are one in one.

Commanders 21, Giants 18. I told you at the end of the game, it was actually very mean what you did to the Giants because they had Graham gnow, who got hurt on the opening kickoff. So the Giants didn't play with a kicker, which I love games when a kicker is injured because you just don't know what's going to happen. And, and then the commanders basically went out and said, hey, you don't have a kicker. We're going to kick seven field goals. Right in your face.

Right in your face. We got all the field goals on our side.

Yes.

Seven field goals. Now, I will say the offense was pretty good today outside of what we did in the red zone, which was just take penalty after penalty until it backed us up a little bit. Then we couldn't actually score touchdown. I'd like to see touchdowns, but in a weird way, I like winning a game like this because it's been so long.

Yeah.

Since we've had a field goal kicker who's capable of making three field goals in a game, much less four must, much less five, six or seven field goals.

Yeah.

So having a guy that is that competent is a really good thing for a team. And this is a crazy stat. This is actually insane. Austin, our kicker right now, okay. He is our fifth kicker in the year 2024.

Your fifth kicker?

Week two.

Oh, yeah. Because you. You got rid of Cade York.

We got rid of Cade York. And this. I count that as a front office win for us.

Yes.

It's a front office win because we cut Cade York after one game, which we would never do in the past.

Right.

And we got a guy that can make seven of seven. And I think we also saved on, like, whatever compensation we owed the browns for making that trade because we cut them after one game as opposed to two games.

Right.

So the fact that we were competent enough to address a problem and then bring immediately and then bring in a solution to that problem.

Yep.

That's what you want to see out of your front office.

Yeah.

So I don't. I have no problem with how the offense looked today. I thought we played pretty well. Brian Robinson, he's our first. I think he's our first hundred yard running back in like a season and a half, which is also surprising to say.

Yeah.

But he looked good today. He looked really good.

Jaden Daniels looked like he was. Cause Dan Quinn said it in the middle of the week that they're going to try not to run him as much.

Yeah.

And it looked like he was doing a better job of like, hey, I'm not going to just run right away. Yeah.

And he got the ball downfield better than he did in week one.

Yeah.

He looked good as a quarterback. I was very encouraged with how the offense moved the ball. For the most part. Our defense still stinks, but that's fine. Our defense is probably going to stink.

Yeah.

And that's okay. We, we benefited very much from the Giants having to run fourth down plays whenever they cross midfield.

Well, it's funny you say it that way because they didn't have to do that. So Brian Dable is going to be under a lot of fire in New York this week because Graham Gnaul hurt his hamstring on the opening kickoff. He had a groin injury on Saturday. So he was already like, hey, something's a little off. The Giants went into this game with 52 guys on the roster.

Could have got a kicker.

Could have gotten a kicker. They have a backup kicker. They could have. They could have had. And they didn't, knowing that Graham Gnaul had a groin injury. And they went into this game being like, he'll be fine. Got hurt on the opening kickoff. Brian Dable, what the fuck are you doing?

That's not great. It's not great at all.

I would've, by the way, was the one who was on this. Obviously, I would. Oh, he was all over. He's like, they. I guess they put Gunner ol chaff ski on IR on Thursday, which made it go from 53 to 50.

So they could have brought up.

Could have brought up a kicker.

Now, this is crazy, but, you know, there's another Michael Florio that covers the NFL stolen valor. His name is Michael B. Florio.

Oh, like Michael b. Jordan?

I think so.

That's kind of cool.

And, memes, how has this guy not made your top Florio's list? His name is literally Florio.

I think it's Michael F. Florian.

Michael. Okay, so, yeah, it is. It's like that version of the Michael b. Jordan, but yeah, yeah. Memes, how come this guy hasn't even crossed your radar?

I've seen him on Twitter one time, and then I saw that same clip from Dan Patrick this weekend. That guy's very mad that Michael Florio is also named Michael Florio.

Yeah.

Wait, Michael F. Florio is mad that our Mike Florio is named Mike Florio?

Or Mike Florio?

No, no, no. Big cats, right? Oh, that other guy is also mad that Michael Florio's Michael. Well, fuck the fake Michael Florio. Who? What gives you the right dude? I would understand if our Mike Florio was mad about the other Mike Florio.

Yeah.

But the other Mike Florio being like, that's my name. No, no, that's not your name. Change your name, dude.

No, it does piss me off. I kind of agree with him. Like, Mike walks around calling himself PFT all the time.

Yeah, you got. We got to stand up for our guy.

Yeah, no, I stand with Mike Florio.

Yeah.

Not f. In the Mike Florio versus Mike Florio debate.

Yeah, we do not stand with Mike F. Floor.

They should do a radio show together called Mike and Mike.

That would be fun.

Yeah, be very fun.

Florio on Floria. That's literally means. Hell, yeah.

His constant out of the woodwork Florio interview.

Interviewing Floria.

So Brian Dable. Yeah, he deserves a lot of blame for that. He also deserves a lot of blame. He might be the worst challenger coach. Yeah, he's a very bad challenge.

He does. He does the what Belichick did a lot in his later days, the frustration challenge, where you're not really challenging anything other than you're upset with how the game's going.

You're challenging reality.

Yeah. You're challenging that. You basically are a, like, seven year old turning off the console.

You're throwing a thing.

We're not playing this game anymore.

You're throwing a flag and you're saying, nuh uh.

Yeah.

And it's yes. Huh?

Restart.

It's no, it happened.

You like, hey, let's restart. Ball up top. Restart. Zero. Zero.

Two bad challenges by dable today. And Danny Jones didn't play. He didn't play terrible.

No, he did.

I think we told you that on Friday, which is. Daniel Jones typically plays better against the Commanders. And Malik neighbors is good. Really good.

Yes.

So he's. He did have that one drop at the end of the game that kind of cost you. But he is not the reason why he lost.

Speaker zero. No, Malik neighbors is good. And, I mean, if they had a kicker, they probably would have won this game.

Maybe.

I mean, they. They had. They had to go for it on fourth down. They missed an extra point. Like, they. And they didn't get the two point conversions. So it felt like Brian Dable cost his team the game here by not having a kicker.

He might have.

Yeah.

Do you see Jayden Daniel's handoff today, though?

Yeah, it was pretty sick.

He had the best handoff of the week.

It was pretty sick.

It was sick. He just. He stopped, froze, turned around. Looked like a dance move.

That's awesome.

He's so good at handing the ball off.

He is good at handing the ball.

He's very good at playing quarterback, too.

Yeah. Max, you got anything to say? Did you watch the game?

No, I was flying back.

Oh, wedding. Max.

But another plane.

Daniels. That's a win.

That's a win.

That's a win.

One and one.

I love. I love bragging about how good my quarterback is at handing the ball off.

Mm hmm.

It was a great handoff. You see, you just told herself because you said you didn't watch the game, so you didn't see the handoff. You have no idea it was the handoff.

I think.

I'm so happy for you to point.

Have to see it.

No, it's so sick, though.

Yeah.

Pull it up. Watch the clip. Best handoff I've ever seen. It's so smooth.

I'm so happy for you to have a quarterback that's good at handing it off.

Yeah, so am I.

No, the best handoff ever was the one. I'll give you second best handoff. The best handoff ever was when. Oh, I guess it wasn't a handoff, because when. When Jared Goff did the fake handoff.

Yeah.

And got sacked and. Or. No, no. Sorry. He handed the ball off, and he did it so well that the. The defensive end sacked him, and they're like, that's roughing. I think. Have the ball right now.

I think it's hard to compare those two handoffs because one was, he did such a great job of the play action, and this was just so cool.

No, but it wasn't play action. I was wrong. He did hand it off, and he didn't have the ball, and he did such a good job of pretending he had the ball that they sacked him and then called a roughing the pass.

Got it.

Yeah. That was one of the coolest handoffs ever.

Nobody's talking about this handoff.

It was so good.

Why? Like, it should. If it's this sick of a handoff, it shouldn't be this hard to find. Okay.

The all 20 come out, and you're gonna be like, God damn.

Who's the one who brought it up in the game? That's true.

It was a great hand up.

I think how it. I think how it went down as he shouted it, and then no one responded. Then he shouted it again.

Yep.

And then everyone's like, oh, yeah.

I guarantee, out of all the games in the. In the 01:00 slate, everyone was watching giants commanders.

Oh, they had eyes on it. Yep.

Great sarcasm there, Max.

Great.

That game. Us.

Go get another plane, Max.

Another wedding. Yeah. Mister. Pop your friends.

I got one more.

1737 Matt.

I got a bye week this week, and then I. And then I have the finale.

Finish strong. Rest up.

Yep.

All right.

Watch the game.

Yeah. You want a game? Pft.

Won a game. It feels good to be one in one.

Who do you have next week?

That's actually a great question that I should know the answer.

I know the answer. It's Owen to Bengals. So that. Oh, that's.

Oh, of course. Yeah, I'm going to that game.

Yeah. I was so lazy. Gonna be angry.

I was laser focused on this game. I wasn't looking ahead at all.

The Bengals are gonna be angry Monday night.

It's a Monday night.

Game.

I'm gonna be in Cincinnati.

Yeah.

Get some chili.

Hank, you want to talk about your game? Yeah. Seahawks 23, Patriots 20. We almost had Hank. Almost all in.

Mm hmm.

We were an overtime away from having Hank. Almost all in. That's how close we were. You wouldn't have been all in, but you're in. Almost all in. And we were almost there.

If the Patriots had won the jets of loss, I would have been all the way. All in.

All the way all in. So you were.

But.

But that didn't happen. So now where do we stand?

Kind of the same as last week.

Almost.

You're still almost all in the.

I want to beat the jets. We talked about will you be, will.

You be, will be.

Back to almost all in.

Back to almost all in. So you can't get all in by just beating the jets?

No.

Okay. Got it.

You're almost. Almost all in.

It's an exciting team to watch. It's way more exciting than I was expecting it. Yeah.

I think you should start Drake, May. Why? Maybe not this week on a Thursday.

I thought Jacoby played really well.

Did he? Yeah. He was elusive.

He was quick on his feet. I made some plays.

I just have for you. Listen, you always have a stat. I have a stat for you. Jacoby Brissette. Let me get his final stat.

He was getting the offensive line was.

The problem is not good.

So why would you start a roof, start a rookie QB with a bad offensive line?

I got. So here's the thing with Jacoby Bursetti. He's a good backup quarterback. I don't know if he's a starter. He doesn't really push the ball downfield, so to speak. Jacob Bursett was 15 for 27, 149 yards and a touchdown. No interception. He doesn't make mistakes. How many completions and for how many yards did he have? Two wide receivers, which are usually the guys quarterbacks throw it to.

Well, I know how many yards Hunter Henry had.

He had a lot.

So I'm going to go with seven for 40.

Jacobi said had three completions for 19 yards to wide receivers today. That's why I was saying Star Trek again, not this week. But Jacobi, reset is a really good backup if you want, and your wide receivers aren't like, out of this world good, but if you want to push the ball downfield and give your team.

Chances like that, you also need time in the pocket.

True, true. Good point. Good counterpoint. But three for 19 yards, tough.

So some quarterbacks are just, they're meant to be backup quarterbacks. And that's Jacoby Brissett. He has a hard time flipping the switch over into starter mode because he's still playing. Like, the way that he played today would be a perfect backup quarterback spot start game.

Yeah. Like, don't lose us the game. Yeah, he's a big don't lose us the game guy.

Yeah.

Which I guess if that's, I guess the question of whether you go all in or not. If you go all in, it should be Drake May. That's my point. If it's tank, then Jacob sets. Perfect. That makes sense.

Yeah.

I think that's fair.

Hank, let me ask you this, and.

I think it's still up in the air.

If at the start of the year, you had been told you're going to be one and one through two games, would you take it?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Would you. Would you have rather. Owen, two?

No.

Okay.

I would have rather two and.

Oh, yeah. Because you won the first one.

Because we won the first one. They went forward on fourth and are they. They punted on fourth and one. It was. They're on, like, their own 40 45 area in overtime. I feel like they should just went for it and tried to win the game. That was stupid, because then it's just all the other team has to do is kick a field goal. That would be my only note from the game without Malcolm. If you're going to be in, if you're going to be in overtime, just. Just go for the win.

Yeah.

How do you feel about Malcolm Butler being the next man to touch the bell after you?

I thought he did a great job. It's crazy. It's been ten years.

Yeah.

Let the team onto the field. Picked a good game to do it, too.

Yeah.

Hank, I actually want to give you credit. I think you're dealing with this Patriot season the correct way because you've never really been in this spot where it is a hard dance to do. Wherever. You don't want to tank right away, because then it's like, fuck, this sucks. We're tanking from game one. That's stupid.

You have something to believe, but you.

Also don't want to go all in and then. And then end up with five or six wins and not a good draft pick. So you're in that middle ground right now where you got to feel it out and figure out which way you want to go.

And I was expecting us to look like the Broncos or the Steelers, where it's just ugly games. Not a lot of points, but they're just ugly games.

They're doing.

They're two and. Oh, all right. Broncos, maybe commanders, maybe.

We're one in one.

I know. I'm saying the games are not fun to watch.

Yeah.

And his offense was good today.

Didn't score a touchdown. You kicked a thousand field.

Yeah.

I'm trying so hard to find this handoff.

I guarantee you I am the only person online that cares about this. Honestly. This is. You're not. I'm gonna get it for you on the altar.

Hey, can I. Can I tell you something that would maybe be fun? Your number three overall pick, Drake May. That would be fun, if all the.

Same, we've been having fun. Having fun. I was expecting not fun. I've been entertained and had fun in both games.

Got it. Oh, that's good. Then that's all matters. You're having fun.

That's really what you want.

Yeah. I mean, you almost won that game. Yeah. You should have won that game. There was a bad defensive pass interference call that. I think Tyler Lockett even told whoever your defensive back is, like, that actually was not a penalty, like, on the field. He said it to him. So you could just say, the refs.

And they just had that one, you know, brain fart on the DK Metcalf touchdown.

Yeah, he was wide open. And credit to is, that's not pat the Patriot. It's one of the live action patriots that stand in the end zone and shoot a gun. When you score a touchdown, where they are they the Minutemen?

Think so.

Okay, so one of the minutemen, when DK scored his touchdown, DK almost ran up to him like he was going to use him for a prop, and the guy just turned around and was like, I'm not even gonna look at you.

Way to hold, you know, hold line. Yeah, it was defend the wall and the wall. Yeah. Your defense is good. I mean, Christian Gonzalez is incredible. He did a very good job against DK Metcalf. I know DK had a big day, but a lot of it was not one play, and it wasn't against Christian Gonzalez.

Right.

I don't know. I just. I. For your sake, I'm. You should start Drake May. It's fun when you have a new toy.

Yeah.

And, and Jacobi reset again. Very nice guy like him. Want to have him on the show someday?

He was getting good.

Backup quarterback smoked.

Our offensive line is so bad.

Yeah.

Like, he had no time. I know the wide receiver thing, but he also had no time to throw. If you throw in a rookie quarterback, the risk just goes through the roof.

He did have a really fucked up hand, too. Did you see that?

Yeah, they showed his arm that in the game he had like, I don't know if it was turf burns.

Yeah.

You looked like a flesh wound.

Yeah.

Looked like the start of the zombie disease that. This is us.

Yeah. By the way, we have an update on the handoff. Rashad White takes a handoff from Jayden Daniels and gets into the end zone for the nine yard touchdown. 21 ten. ASU with 45 seconds remaining in the third.

I don't think that's two teams ago that might not be from this year.

I mean, I told you I was going deep trying to find this hand.

Well, it sounds like that was a great handoff, too. It sounds like there's a lot of tape on there. Scouts are. Are buzzing about how good he is.

Oh, no. Jaden Daniels handoff to AJ Carter never seemed to be secured. And it's a lost fumble on ASU's first play at its own 13 yard line. So that's a bad start.

J Carter wasn't ready for it.

That's from December 31, 2019.

AJ Carter has fumble. It is. Everybody knows you guys are going to. Whatever. Listen, I'm. I said it was a good handoff. I'm not going to back down from that.

I said it was good.

Look like he was doing a dance move. It was sick. I did. So there was a point in the afternoon games where I just, like, asked around the room, what do you guys think about Jaden Daniels? Because I feel like he's, he's played well and I just need to have other people say it. Yeah, it might be some.

I thought he played well.

I thought he played well today.

Yeah.

And his chinstrap was buckled.

I thought he played well, by the way. Seahawks might be good.

I think they are. I mean, they're. They're two and.

Oh, yeah, they're two and o. I guess the Broncos and Patriots maybe aren't the best test. They play the Dolphins.

Broncos almost. I mean, Patriots almost beat the Chiefs.

What, essentially.

Oh, yeah, we were. Yeah, that's.

We should have beat the chief.

You basically beat the Chiefs.

Well, the Ravens, if you played the.

Chiefs in a seven game series, that's going seven, maybe not.

Might be four. Oh, sweet Patriots.

The Ravens almost beat the Chiefs. But then the Ravens lost the Raiders. So did the Raiders almost beat the Chiefs?

Yeah.

So the Patriots and the Raiders are two of the best teams in the NFL.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Yeah. I mean, the Patriots beat the Bengals soundly, and the Bengals only lost by one to the or two to the Chiefs. That's. That's huge.

I know.

That's huge.

So you're not thinking the offs yet?

No.

Okay, smart.

What do you think about Jerry O'Connell's video? I love that he's back in his bing bong voice. Did you see the video?

I did see it.

Okay, let's play it for the people. I'm gonna find it, or you want to pull it up? Max, you pull it up. What did you think?

I saw that he did it. I didn't watch it.

Oh, you didn't? Why not? He's. So to set the scene for anyone's listening on the podcast, Jerry's out what looks like some kind of hike with four dogs. Four dogs.

Shirtless, great dogs.

And he's got the arm weights on the two and a half pound arm weights.

Gonna be something about.

No. No.

Blowing it. I don't even. I don't want his obsession with me.

He likes you, Hanky. Look at me. I'm outside. I'm doing my exercises. I'm not inside of a golf simulator. My beautiful dogs, all of them. You got yoffs on the mind. You think your pats are gonna beat Seattle today? I don't think so. I'm taking Seattle plus the under, cuz your team can't score bing bong. Get outside. Hanky. You blew it. Then it cut off.

I mean, he's just talking shit.

Just.

Guys, it's just smack talking.

But Jerry's actually. The most. Half of this show is just an obsession with you. Pft. And this desk has an obsession with you. Yeah.

Don't get. Just let me live.

Yeah. So, I mean, he's just. He's falling in line with the obsession.

With you to the underhit.

No, no. And the Seahawks also didn't cover.

I think. I think it ended up going to three, or it was three. A kick. So he pushed. So. Oh. One and one for Jerry.

I got my three and a half.

Yeah. All right, well, good job, Hank. Thanks.

Just being just existing, that's my first good job existing.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Do you want to quickly just talk about the Apple cup real quick? I know we talk college football on Wednesdays. Yeah. I mean, that's brutal.

And then I woke up this morning and saw the news that they lost.

Yeah. Yeah.

So I've already game. It's always tough.

You. We. When did you find out they lost?

I saw that they lost last night. I didn't see the play until today.

Yeah. So we texted you right away. I text you the minute the play happened. I said, sorry, Hank. And PfT is like, he doesn't even know what we're sorry for.

And he said, I can't. I can't wait to see Google text or Google search to figure out why he's upset.

Right.

Like, hey, Hank, when you see that, we're sorry for you, and you have to find out why, what does that Google search.

It will go through your head.

I honestly didn't even. My phone was dead. And, like, by the time I turned it on, I had, like, those messages got lost in the. In the flood.

Got it, got it.

So I didn't even see the apologies.

So you weren't. Your phone was dead. Were you not. Were you watching Kent State, Tennessee?

Nope.

Damn.

Just living your life.

Living my life.

And the apple cup. That's brutal. Cause that one meant more.

Yeah, it did him. And we were right there at the goal and at the end.

I know.

Because you can't chant Mountain west at Wazoo anymore.

Yeah.

Can't make fun of them for their non conference.

Are you still confident in the coach? Yeah. And his name is what?

How do you think the quarterback played Hank?

I don't know.

You got the coach's name?

I don't.

Jed Heuer. No. Jed Fish. Jed Fish came from Arizona.

That's an easy one.

Yeah. You got that? Now, we're gonna quiz you next week.

Okay.

Stuff. I know how much that apple cup meant to you.

I know. Like I said, it was seeing the play that I couldn't even bring myself to watch the play until today.

Yeah. And Tyler Van Dyke got hurt. Happy. That's brutal.

Have you watched the play?

I did.

You saw the play?

Yeah.

What happened on it?

Oh, they ran to the right, got stuffed.

Yep. He saw it. Confirmed he saw it.

Was there any pitch back or. What kind of play was it?

It's run play.

I don't think you watched the play.

You watch the play?

Option play.

You watch the play?

Option play?

Yeah. Yep.

You.

I mean, I run.

I understand.

An option is a run.

It was so hard for you to watch it. You. Barely.

An option is a run.

Well, yeah, because he probably watched it, like, through his fingers, because he was almost like, I can't look. I can't look. I'm so nervous.

He was essentially Roman Roy in. In succession. When the rocket blows up and he sees a rocket blow up and he just puts it. Puts the phone back in his pocket, and he just goes on about his day.

Yeah.

You saw that. You're just like, I can't deal with this right now?

Pretty much.

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Sam Donald's back.

Sam Donald's arrived.

Sam Donald is our baker Mayfield of this year.

Yeah, it took him seven years.

Yeah.

But he is finally arrived in the NFL. He's not one of the worst quarterbacks in the world, which he was with the jets. He is now, dare I say good. Yeah. He had a 97 yard touchdown pass to Justin Jefferson.

Bomb.

Justin Jefferson did some awesome work with the cutback there. QB's to never have a 97 yard or more touchdown pass in the NFL is from our friend stathole, who has a great blog every Monday recapping all the stats. Patrick Mahomes. These are guys who have never had this that Sam Donald now has. Patrick Mahomes, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Dan Marino, John Elway, Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers, Troy Eggman. Pretty good. Pretty good group of quarterbacks. And they never did what Sam Darnold did today.

And it was incredible. It was a great pass.

It was.

And you can't help but root for Sam either.

Yeah.

I feel like he's, he's one of those guys where through no fault of his own, right. He's been just kind of like run through the dog shit. He was on those hyperdrive jets right when they were turning the offense to.

Hyperdrive, he was poisoned by Adam Gase.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you have to root for a guy like that to come back and. Yeah, he looked good today against his old team. Yeah, it was. I was very happy to see it. The 49 ers did not look great.

Fred.

Fred Warner, by the way, that guy, he is so fun to watch.

Yeah.

As fun of a linebacker as a football player. It's a football player. That guy plays football and he does it very well. I wouldn't smash the panic button yet if I was a 49 ersitive, but, but today I thought about the panic.

But it's not so Brock Purdy was under fire all day. It felt like Brandon iuke has still not got going, which I guess I understand. And Christian McCaffrey is now, is he on the, is he out for four weeks?

At least he's on the IR, so.

Not panic button, because I think the 49 ers could play bad and still tread water for a month because they have so much talent. Yeah, but if you're a super, you're. You're expecting to go back to the Super bowl. It hasn't been the greatest start with the fact that Christian McCaffrey is out for a while and the Vikings defense kind of ate you up a little bit. Brian Flores, he's a good defensive coach. Not a good head coach. Good defensive.

Yeah, they ate you up for sure. Christian McCaffrey being out week one didn't really seem to matter at all. But you think about how good the 49 ers are and how many options they have, and you're like, oh, that won't be a problem not having Christian McCaffrey. But then all you're saying is that you're just going back to the pretty good 49 ers that you had before Christian McCaffrey.

Right.

And then he just makes your offense look entirely different when he's on the field.

Right.

You can't play defense against the 49 ers the same way at all when he's just there.

Right.

His presence makes. It makes a huge difference. Hank, what do you think about Christian McCaffrey? When do you think he's going to come back?

How long do people usually stay on the IR for?

Four weeks is minimum.

And he just went on this week.

Yeah.

So probably. Probably know around week six.

Yeah. You think he's. He's definitely coming back?

Yeah, I don't see why it wouldn't.

Yeah. Okay.

You think he loves football?

Not like a Barry Sanders situation.

Yeah, he's a football. He's from a football family. Football guy through and through.

He is.

He is a football family. Yep. Good point.

Brian Flores. Not. This just popped my head. I want to see how I can phrase this. Do you think there was a part of Brian Flores? Well, we know Brian Flores isn't, like, the nicest guy. Right? I think that's been established.

Correct.

Do you think a part of him was like, man to his concussion means I can't say, see, I told you so, with how bad Tua was playing before the concussion.

Oh, yeah, he probably thought about that. He was definitely rooting against Tua.

Yeah, he probably was, like, telling people, see, I told you so. And then had to delete the text message after Tua got the concussion, because we obviously, that was a horrific concussion.

He was probably upset.

He was playing horrible before the.

Right. So Brian Flores was like, damn, now I can't say, hey, hey, I told to his, to his close friends, he probably would say, hey, I told you so.

He was, he was equally upset with the hit as he was with not being able to take victory laps about two, correct. Yeah. Because, you know, that's actually what the Viking. The Vikings have done a very good job. They've just completely sequestered him from Sam Darnold.

Yeah.

Brian Flores should not be allowed to even look at Sam Darnold.

Right. Cause he'll just eat him a lot.

Don't let him speak to a quarterback ever.

He probably mutters under his breath, like, samdhdem, you're not worth shit, dude.

But I think that might be a mark of a great defensive coordinator.

Yeah.

If you hate quarterbacks that much.

True.

That. You just will do anything to break them down.

Yeah. Yeah. Just.

That's great. Just coach, defense.

Yeah. This game also could have gone very differently if Jordan Mason hadn't fumbled. Was Jordan Mason who fumbled.

I think Jordan Mason fumbled.

He fumbled at the goal line going in. And that, like, the 49 ers, that's why the panic button would be super, because you, you just had some plays not go your way, even though the Vikings deserve this win, because their defense was very good. But, like, that fumble took all the momentum out of that game. Yeah.

How mad do you think fantasy owners are if they drafted Christian McAfee first overall?

Hank, what do you think?

Might be a class action lawsuit?

Yeah, very mad.

But there.

But it's not like he's, it's not like anything else is going on there, right, Hank?

I don't think so.

Okay.

Oh, wait. Maybe it was Brock Purdy who fumbled.

Brock Purdy did fumble, and I think Debo might have recovered it.

Oh, maybe the statute. Statute saying lost was only one from Brock Purdy. And Jordan Mason had a fumble as well. I don't know. Either way, they fumbled on the goal line.

Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Jets 24, titans 17. Memes.

Congrats, memes. One baby.

All the apps still on your phone? All the apps still on my phone. All tvs intact? Yes. Let's go, memes. So how we feeling? Currently feeling great. Beginning of the game, I was. I was in a dark place because it was one of those times. A flat circle. The Patriots are good, and the jets suck.

Yeah.

Because it looked like the Patriots were gonna win. Gonna win. I mean, it was seven nothing. Yeah.

Now, memes, you're a. You're a big tv setup guy, right?

Yes.

Like at your house, you've got it's quite, quite the setup. How many do you have?

Four. Four in the one room, one in the other.

So memes are also a big interactions. Impressions guy on social media. Correct, correct. Have you thought about if the jets lose a big game, sacrificing one of those tvs just to do numbers to buy another one?

Easily smash many times. Well, no, I was going to. If they. If the Titan scored a touchdown and got the two point conversion and you say would have gone for.

You gonna film it?

Probably not. It would just been a full, full kick.

Well, you got to film it. You gotta have like a GoPro going.

Yeah, I'll set one up on, on the ceiling so it captures it. I think I have time to take the phone out and then.

Right.

It just gotta be all one motion. Yeah.

Have you thought about which tv you're gonna sacrifice when it does happen?

The one all the way to the left. Okay. That's the one. That's like the bastard child. You know? You don't like that one. Memes, how are you feeling about Nathaniel Hackett and Robert Salah? First quarter, I wanted every single person fired as the game progressed. I'm okay. Cause there's a chance Robert Salah is just not a good head coach. But he always had the excuse of Zach Wilson as his quarterback. Yeah, there's a very good chance because the jets were kind of sloppy again. Some lot of penalties, just like what was up with. There was multiple times where I feel like Aaron Rodgers. The play clock, they had to call timeouts. I believe that was on Aaron Rogers. Okay.

Okay.

He just forgot about time.

Yep.

Okay.

It'll happen when you're in a darkness retreat.

Yeah. What do you think about my guy Braylon Allen Bradshaw? Braylon Allen's a stud. Having him and Bries hall in the same backfield is, is a problem.

Yeah, it is.

Do you want the craziest whoa stat? Yes. It was such a whoa stat that I actually had to call Jake and tell him the stats. I knew he'd appreciate it. I swear to God, I called him like an hour ago. Braylon Allen is the youngest player to score a touchdown in the NFL in almost 100 years since 1930. 1930 was the last time there was someone as young as him. Braylon Allen today is 20 years old, 200, 239 days in 1930, Arne Herber was 20 years old, 239 days. The exact same age. They're both from Wisconsin. They both are badgers. That was the last time someone as young as him scored a touchdown to the day.

So they tied.

Yeah. Arnie Herbert was a problem. I watched him. He was actually, like, the first one to pass.

Was he really?

Yeah.

So was he quarterback or running back?

He was both.

Okay, so kind of like a dual threat.

Yeah. Like a Justin fields.

I like that.

Yeah.

Yeah. Memes. Braylon Allen. He is very, very explosive. And this is why, this is why running back should be allowed to enter the draft earlier. Because you get guys like that that are ready, and then they get to their second contract by the time they're what, like 24, 25 years old.

I mean, he's young. He's always been young.

Then you can diphdem on a second contract. But, yeah, he's, he's very fun to watch.

He was 17. Was that a woe for you? That was woe.

It's crazy.

Herbert. We might need his blown. We might need you to make an Arnie. Like, Arnie Herbert was a problem. Highlight reel.

What team did he play for?

He played for the packers. So he, he had a crazy story. He played freshman for Wisconsin.

Yeah.

Then went to Regis College in Denver. And Regis college disbanded their football team. And so he moved back. He's from Green Bay. He moved back to Green Bay and was working as, like, a janitor. And then they were just like, he's like, can I try out for the team? And then he was a problem.

And then he was a phenom.

And then he scored right there. Yeah. He's running the ball. He's passing the ball. I saw one where he threw one of the worst passes ever, but it worked.

Look at that back foot.

He's actually known as, like, the predecessor to, like, the Sammy ball. Like, the guys who started, like, really throwing the ball.

This is sick.

Yeah. Arnie. Arnie Herber. Problem. Look at him.

We got field. It's trash.

Bang, dime. Oh, I love the red. Milk man. Yeah. Look like a milk man.

Forms. Used to be newsboy caps and then pajamas rules. And there's.

Oh, yeah, that. Look at that. That was a tight spiral. Yeah.

They're probably saying that's witchcraft. You can't pass the ball.

Arnie Herbert, problem. So, yeah, that 2020 years old, 239 days. That's. Raylen Allen did the exact same thing today. Yeah. I do like how Nathaniel Hackett is kind of figuring out all these guys they actually do have in their offense. Braylon Allen was this week. Next week they'll figure out Mike Williams. One week, they'll figure out every single person they have on the team.

When is Garrett Wilson going to be figured out?

Thursday night. Okay, so Nathaniel Hackett is essentially renting an Airbnb. And, like, you get there, you check in at night, and then the next day, you're like, oh, room. Yes. Oh, shit. They got a back patio. Oh, cool. We can just unlock everything here. Yeah, one. One week at a time, though. Okay.

Can't put too much on his plate.

No GTL for Thursday. You guessed that line.

Oh, where's the game being played? New York.

I'm gonna say it's New York Jersey. In New Jersey. I'm gonna say the New Jersey jets minus three and a half.

I was gonna say four. What is it?

I'm gonna guess four and a half.

Say five. We've covered it all, Max. You want to go five and a half or you want to go two and a half?

I'll go two and a half.

Oh, wow. Okay, we've got it all. I guess we didn't have three. All right, do we have a line? Is anyone looking at it? You? Hank, when you say, should we do GTL, you should. You should look up Gtl so then you can tell us the GTL iPhone stick. Oh, again? Whoa. Jets minus seven.

Seven.

Our advanced stats say you got to hammer the Patriots.

Yeah, I'm gonna hammer the Patriots.

Damn. Wow. Wow. It must braille. And Allen. He's only 20 years old. 239 days, maybe.

Do they know Drake Mace starting? Oh, does Vegas know something?

Push the ball down field.

Yeah.

Will Levis we like.

Yep.

Will Levis needs to, like, maybe go to, like, a Mike Pence conversion therapy, where they're like, sacks are okay.

Well, that's the opposite. But no sacks.

Taking a sack is okay.

No, not Mike Pence.

He did. He did the same thing. Different because it wasn't a pick six, but it was a fumble where he was getting sacked, and he just threw the ball backwards when they were going in on the six yard line. Yeah, it's okay to take a sack. Will love us. Played better today, but it's okay to take a sack and not do. It's actually, Briscoe said he's kind of like Josh Allen. Early Josh Allen, and there is a similarity in that. Just mash all the buttons and hope to play work.

That play was. It was full Josh Allen. Yeah, bad Josh Allen. I think Josh Allen did that exact same play when he was in the playoffs. Was it against the Texans? I believe it was. It was the same game where he threw the bomb downfield to the fullback, right?

Yeah, he.

It was the exact same type of play where he was upside down and then threw the ball underhand to some guy that wasn't standing there.

Yes.

And one of the worst fumbles that you'll ever see. He does. He is a little bit crazy.

Crazy.

I think you're going to get a lot of. He's crazy at. When he throws the ball downfield, sometimes it looks really good coming out of his hands. He's got strong arm. He can look good. He can run, but he needs to be just like, 20% less crazy.

Yeah.

Maybe even 40% less crazy, because the.

Titans defense is good. Yeah, they are. And that's a good defense. And like that.

He's got some weapons, too.

Yeah. They could have won.

Yeah.

Like, the titans are. The titans are the number one. Oh. And two team. That could easily be two. And. Oh, yeah.

Legeri sneed pretty good at defense.

Yeah. Calvin Ridley, great catch. Unbelievable catch.

Just dial back the crazy.

Just turn it down a little bit.

Yeah.

And just remind yourself that, hey, getting sacked is not the worst thing.

Was his offensive coordinator or his head coach that was like, hey, will, what the fuck are you doing?

I think it was. I think was Brian.

Was that Brian Callahan?

Yeah. We like as well.

Him, too.

Yeah. Titans are gonna be. They're not gonna make the playoffs, but I think they will be one of those spoiler teams, tough out teams. You've seen it through two weeks, but just turn down the crazy little.

Yeah. Also, that's the complete correct reaction from your coach when you do something like that.

Oh, 100%. You don't want all we're thinking.

You don't want to nurture that. You don't be like, that's okay.

It'll be better.

Next. No, you want to. You want to correct that problem.

Meaning, yeah, you want to. Yeah, you want to. Basically, they should do. They should do the. I know. It's. It's kind of like a trope. It doesn't actually. I hope it doesn't so happen, but, like, you catch your kid smoking a cigarette, you make him smoke an entire pack of cigarettes. Yeah. They should just have him just keep getting sacked and throwing it backwards, being like, another fumble. Fuck you. What are you doing?

I was going to say, actually, the next time they catch him doing that, he should make him smoke a whole pack of cigarettes.

That, too.

I think that would fix the problem. That's actually the best way to correct.

Any behavior if he was just sitting on the sidelines. Smoke. Like, what happened, will? Why, yes. Why are you smoking this pack of cigarettes? Did another crazy.

I turned the ball over.

Crazy play where I could have easily just taken a sack.

I actually think that would work.

Yeah. Yeah, he should do that. Yeah. Just make or ban Mayo from him. Yeah, if you take away the mayo, maybe he'll stop doing it.

That's cruel.

You just give it as a treat.

Yeah.

He's like, hey, you can't have Mayo this week.

Yeah.

Unless you turn down the crazy.

Instead of those, the things that go around your neck, the collars that prevent concussions, he should just wear an actual shock color.

Yeah.

And so during the game, just buzz them.

You buzz them when you need him to just go down for a sack. Yeah.

That is Mike Pence.

Yeah. Yeah, there it is. We found it. Okay, next game, packers 16, colts ten. Malik Willis did it.

There should be a giant blinking sign that appears on this podcast that whenever I say, this is my favorite game to bet of all time, that you should take the opposite of what I say. And we called it real time, too.

Yeah. I like to pack. They were my mortal. I am a big advisors.

I'm a giant square. I have four equal distance sides. I have four. Six lines of symmetry. However many a square has, that's me. I'm square. When I told you I was going to bet this game heavier than any other game, that was the most obvious sign of all time. That when it's reached me, when that level of confidence has reached me, you should do the exact opposite of what I say.

Here's the thing, but you weren't wrong in the fact that betting against Malik Willis is probably a good idea. The. It just overshadowed that. And I know that I'm in for a war. We're going to get to the Bears game. I'm in for a war next week with the Colts fans because the Bears play the Colts. But Anthony Richardson is just not that good at quarterbacking right now. Right now he could get better. I know that. There were also some drop passes. So I'll say that right, right up front. Like, there were definitely drop passes for Anthony Richardson, but he had two very, very bad interceptions and missing guys. And the packers, like I said on Friday, I thought they were going to just run the ball. They ran the ball 53 times. They basically were like, Malik, here's the game plan. We're going to have you throw it. I think he threw it 14 times. Twelve for 14. We're going to play defense. We're going to let Anthony Richardson make the mistakes, not you make the mistakes. And it was. We give Matt LaFleur a lot of shit. I think he's a phenomenal coach and that this game showed it like, this was a coaching game where Matt LaFleur was like, I know that I got my hand behind my back with Malik Willis, but I have a path, and this is the path.

And they. The packers ran it to perfection.

Yeah. It was, it was ugly for the Indianapolis defense, and their run defense stinks.

Yeah.

This is two games.

That was part of why. Yeah.

Absolutely gashed. And this was, it was ugly. And Josh, anything they did. Fumble on the goal. Got a break on that one.

Yeah.

So, yeah, it was mostly about the packers just owning the clock and then letting Anthony Richardson make the mistakes. He did not play well. Malik Willis played better than I thought that he would, too. I was surprised. So he obviously didn't win the game for the packers, but he had over 100 yards passing for the first time in his career, so that's pretty impressive.

He ran the ball. The Pac had the ball for 40.

Minutes, and the packers have now won twelve straight home openers. That's the longest streak in the NFL and the next longest going into this weekend. I'm not sure what it is now, but the next longest was three going into this weekend.

Yeah.

So now I guess that would be 13 straight home openers that the packers have won.

Yeah.

So tough place to play no matter what time of year.

Yeah. And they looked, I mean, I, normally I'd be mad that the packers won a game like this, but because I prepared. Prepared myself and I was like, I think they're going to win this game because I think Matt LaFleur is going to do a really good job getting them ready. I was ready for it. And again, I. Anthony Richardson. I just don't, I don't see it. What other people see. Maybe, Hank, you're an Anthony Richardson guy. What do you see? And, and I know everyone's going to come after me, be like, Caleb Williams has not looked good through two games. I agree. We're going to get to that. The only difference is Caleb Williams is really good. In college, Anthony Richardson wasn't. So that's where I'm like, I don't know. I don't know where it came from. He's got a great pr team. Anthony Richardson.

The college game that I saw many was the greatest player that's I've ever seen play in person.

Yeah, I know this. That's all for. That's what I've seen to ball out against.

Richardson also had some cool games last year.

Yeah.

Injured.

He's, he's got. Obviously that arm doesn't grow on trees. So I. Again, I feel like I'm repeating myself. I apologize if I am. I understand drafting as a project. It's just not there yet. He should be a favorite on the road.

I would say that Anthony Richardson highlights are up there with almost any other quarterback's highlights.

Yeah.

If you just watch his good plays.

And the low lights are tough.

Low lights are very, very bad.

Yeah, yeah.

No accident.

Still believe in him.

No.

Okay. We had a quick technical issue. Hank just teleported over the couch. We also forgot where we were in our conversation.

Quick in the pocket, took a minute.

Oh, and quick in the pocket.

No accuracy, though.

Yeah, I think I said, I think I was explaining it to someone. He. His deep ball. If he could throw his medium deep ball and his short ball like his sometime deep ball.

Yeah.

It'd be sick.

If he could throw his short ball like his deep ball.

Yeah.

Yeah, I agree. Cuz his deep ball is awesome.

Yeah.

Except when he throws picks on it. Yeah, yeah, he's. Look, I think he's exciting to watch when he plays well, but right now he's got a lot of work to do.

Yeah. Young quarterbacks shouldn't be judged by a few games. He's what, on his fifth game? I'm just saying I don't see it right now.

Maybe it could be the offensive line's fault.

Could be.

Could be the defense fault.

Could be.

Could be the rushing. Indianapolis needs to figure out the run defense.

Yeah. I mean, again, I just walked away from this game being like, this is what I've known it forever. The packers run a model organization. That's what they fucking do. They're annoying that way. They have a guy who by all like visuals, can't play quarterback in the NFL. And they bring him out there and then he wins a game. That's what they do. That's what the packers fucking do.

I think Hank give him. He gave him a nickname prematurely.

What do you say?

Tony Rich.

Tony Rich.

Tony Rich. A little too soon for that. Tony rich today was not Tony rich.

Also shout out Josh Myers for puking on the ball and then still snapping it.

Yeah, that was a great, a great part of the game. Would Malik say, like, I didn't throw the ball because it had puke on it?

Yeah.

Yeah. And not a gamer.

And the. The ref, I guess, went up to Matt Lafleur after the game was like, or maybe after the play and said, hey, if that happens again, do you want us to stop the play? He's like, yeah, I'd appreciate that.

Be fun. Now, is it. Is it a flag if you're if your center pukes on a defensive lineman.

I don't think so, because I would stink. Used to piss on people. Yeah.

I would. I would train my offensive line to do that.

Yeah, it was. That was quite a visual, though. Just puking directly on the ball and then snapping it. Yeah. Then Malik Willis didn't throw the ball. Yeah. Because he had puke on it.

Now, next week, we have a Malik Willis revenge game.

He's playing the Titans.

Playing the Titans. So what? How do we handicap that? Because I feel like we got a good Malik game today. Are we. Are we going to bet on it to happen to two games or I might just keep betting against Malik until I win. I think just double my bet every time.

I think he might be three and one against the spread. I'm pretty.

And the Titans. Titans have snatched two defeats from the jaws of victory.

Yeah. Line there, Hank. Yeah.

But everyone's down on the Titans. Maybe. Maybe I'm just cashing at the right time.

Wait, so you're going to. You're down on the Titan?

I think I might double my bets every week against Malik Willis until I hit one.

Got it. Okay. Yeah.

I mean, like, that's a good.

It will happen eventually.

It has to.

Although, Jordan, love. That was weird when he was questionable and then. Doubt. Doubtful, but it was weird that he was even questionable for a minute.

Yeah, it was really strange.

Yeah.

So then Jordan love could start, and then I'd feel like a real asshole.

Yeah. I was worried about that for you.

I don't think I. Truth be told, big cat, you'll probably agree with this. I think that it's just the packers. Just. If somebody puts on a Packers uniform.

That's what I said.

Then they become good at quarterback.

It's bullshit.

There's some teams where you put on their uniform and you become a bad quarterback. We know several of them. And then there are some teams where it's just. You fit in and it's.

It's. Again, it's. They have a backup quarterback, and they're like, hey, here's what we're going to do. We're going to drop a perfect game plan.

Yeah.

This is how we can win the game and play to our strengths. And then they execute it. And then you walk away saying, how the fuck did they just do that? And everyone tweets you being like, Malik Willis has more wins or touchdown passes and Caleb Williams and shit like that.

Yeah. That's mean.

Yeah. That's bullshit.

And for a while, it was also true that he had more hundred yard passes, games. Yeah, but not anymore.

Not anymore. Wow. You're feeling yourself with the handoff king.

Dude, he handed the fuck out.

Feeling himself with the handoff king.

Jane Daniels is good.

Doesn't score a touchdown, Brown.

Yeah, but guess what? We won, Hank. We scored 21 points. First team in NFL history to win a game when your opponent scores three touchdowns and you don't score a single touchdown.

Do you do offensive? Do false starts come back to the quarterback? Or is that not related?

Depends.

It depends on what kind of false start.

Yeah.

Because they had, like, 27 in the red.

In the red zone.

They did.

Yeah, that's true. And we overcame them.

Yeah. All right, Brown's Jaguars.

You want to see him fail, Hank?

I think you want to see Caleb Williams fail. I want.

No, I want. I want all of your teams to win.

I don't.

I want all of their teams to lose.

I want Caleb.

I've been nothing but nice about.

I want every team in this room to win.

I want Caleb to be good.

I don't. I don't. I was rooting. That's not the case.

I was rooting for Caleb tonight. Right, Hank?

And I just wanted Jaden Daniel to score a touchdown for.

Yeah, for the nature.

So many times.

Yeah.

He was in great situations, and then I was following the game on the plane.

I think I'm the second biggest Caleb fan in this room.

I don't think so. I don't think so.

Why?

I just don't think so. I think Hank.

I have a. My fantasy.

Hank probably is.

I like Caleb Williams.

There's like a mouse in here. He might be. I don't know what else to say on the ground. It's okay. He had a bad game. We're gonna get to it. But it's okay. I can feel the shift. I felt the shift there. I did.

I.

You guys both want your quarterback to be better than the other, and that, of course.

Well, yeah. Yeah. But I'm not rooting against Jaden Daniels like I was. I have never said. You can find one bad thing I've ever said about Jaden Daniels.

I'm not really sure.

I don't think Pft is the vi. Understand the vibe.

Shift. I'm talking about vibes.

But, like, purely, I think there.

Like.

Like, I both are shifting.

I think because his vibes cats. At first, you're on high alert. No, I mean, which is fine.

I said the Malik Willis thing, and then you're like. And also, Malik Willis had more hundred yard passing games before kale booms. That was. You basically turned into a Twitter. A Twitter.

Well, at this. At this point in the podcast, I was also feeling salty about losing my bet so badly because it was a big bet and so losing to Malik Willis.

Yeah.

Then I get mad about Malik Willis.

I've been gracious about it. I bet the packers have been very gracious.

Yeah, I've been very gracious.

I just fucking hate the packers and I know when they're going to win. And that was such a Packers game.

I told you I wanted Caleb Williams to win. How many? Nine Super Bowls.

Yeah.

And then Jaden just gets three.

Yeah.

Feel like that's. That's pretty gracious. Yeah, we're doing a gracious off.

Just saying the vibe shifted there. All right, Brown's Jaguars. Let's talk about the Browns. Jaguars. Brown's defense is back. Trevor Lawrence had 16 yards in the first 35 minutes of the game, and they looked so bad.

Yeah. I've got a sad Jaguar stat for you, courtesy of our good friend uncle chaps. He sent this one over to me. You know how long it's been since Trevor has his last victory as a starter? It's 294 days. It's longer than the drought between his last college victory and his first NFL victory.

Oh, man.

So it's been a while.

Urban Meyer is coach first year.

Yeah, it's been a while for Trevor. The Browns didn't look bad today, and it seems like maybe having their starting tackles back makes a pretty big difference.

Yeah, they didn't look bad until they did look bad and tried to be the Jaguars. They tried to out jaguar the Jaguars. They had the game in hand and then they're like, let's see if we can fuck around and give this game to the Jaguars. There was that moment with two minutes left where they had a third and 36 up 16 to 13. They ended up getting the safety, making it 1813. But that was close. The Browns were close.

They were close. The. The Browns also passed the ball for some reason. When they had the ball and they were up late, they could essentially run out the clock. But then they decided that they were going to get cute with it and try to pass. Did not work for them. It was. It was nice to see Jamis out on the field.

Yes. I guess he's sneak.

He's our designated quarterback sneaker.

Memes had the stat one and, oh, in games that Jameis plays, that's pretty good graphic.

I think we've got a formula there.

That'S pretty good graphic. So are the Browns good or the Jaguars bad?

I think, I think jags bad.

Yeah. I think the Jaguars are bad. I think the Browns defense can still be good against bad quarterbacks.

Yeah. Miles Garrett was making Trevor live in hell today.

Yeah. And Trevor Lawrence did have. He ended up with 220 yards. But yeah, it was, it was ugly for a very long time.

Yeah.

It was very, it was a very ugly game. Weird weather and Deshaun Watson, that one graphic. Oh, man. Do we have that?

The latest allegation?

Graphic, Sean, he literally has, he has like working in a factory, you know, five days since the last time he's had an allegation against.

I have it right here. Deshaun Watson latest.

This was a graphic on the tv.

During, on the broadcast.

Yeah.

I said it's bad when they have a latest allegations. Graphic ready to go?

Yeah.

Latest allegations. Monday accused of sexual assault new lawsuit this week strongly denies allegation of 2020 incident NFL reviewing under personal conduct policy 2022 season served eleven game ban for violating conduct policy faces three active lawsuits alleging sexual misconduct settled 23 claims in 2022 faced no criminal charges. That's a, that's a rough graphic for you to interrupt the football game with.

Yes.

Now I heard that when they restructured his contract, they did something with being able to cut him for like moral issues.

Yeah. So this summer that, that report came out that they took the clause out where if he gets another suspension by the NFL.

Yeah.

He can be cut and not have to pay him as much.

He's on a zero tolerance policy for committing sexual assault.

Yes.

Let that be a lesson.

It's finally enough is enough.

Yeah. After 22 allegations.

Is it 22? I thought it was more.

I forget how many.

I think it might be in the thirties.

Well, I don't know. By the time this podcast comes out, since we learned our lesson last week. Yeah. The Browns didn't look great. Their offense didn't look great. Jerome Ford looked okay at times. But they're not. They're not back where they were last year. They don't look like they did with Flacco.

No, it's just such a. You can't go with a different vibe than Joe Flacco to Deshaun Watson.

Bad vibe. It was also Deshaun Watson's birthday this weekend.

Oh.

Which the Browns pointed out by the. They put out a post on Instagram and on Twitter. It seems mean because, you know, the admin knew exactly. You're walking happen with the comment section. I don't know.

Maybe.

Maybe that's in his contract. You have to wish me a birthday.

I could see him doing that.

I could see that too, because there's no other reason for them to just subject themselves to the worst possible replies. Yeah, it's like, well, I guess, I guess they know it's going to do numbers.

They just stood out there and took it.

It's going to do interactions. Why didn't memes? Why, why isn't that part of our Social Security?

Yeah.

Why didn't we wish him a happy birthday? Okay, we should start wishing Deshaun Watson, please put that into the calendar. Yeah.

For next year.

Make sure you wish him a happy birthday. And the pardon might take socials. I think he has this blocked. That's doesn't matter.

Okay.

Yeah, that's fine. Still wish him a happy birthday.

Means we're getting too close to the truth.

Tell the truth. All right. Last game of the early slate. Chargers 26, Panthers three. This is exactly what we expected to happen. It happened. Jim Harbaugh has completely changed the culture. Now the Panthers are bad. Very, very bad. Worst team in the NFL. Jim Harbaugh has completely changed the culture of the Chargers to the point where Quentin Johnson is catching footballs.

Yeah, crazy, right?

But it actually is, and I know. So I think there's some new, not new listeners, but also new, just people to Jim. Like my love affair with Jim Harbaugh, which has been very long time. I had to have it kind of under wraps when he was the Michigan head coach just because I don't like Michigan. Now that he's back on the NFL, I'm going to be posting every single thing the guy does because I love him to death. But the, like, his backing of Quinton Johnson this summer, I feel like, gave Quentin Johnson the confidence to be like, you know what, I can catch. And that is my job. Let me go do it.

Yeah, you need somebody else to believe in you sometimes.

And that's what happened. And he said it after. He's like, everyone just piles on the guy and he's a good football player and he's going to be a good football player for us. It's like Jim Harbaugh has changed where Quentin Johnson is catching football and now.

Justin Herbert is accepting pregame tap ups from Jim where he just beats the shit out of his shoulder pads and his back. The look that, that Harbaugh gave him after the first week where he's like, no, we're not hugging. This is what I do to quarterbacks for every game. And then week two, it rolls around and Herbert's ready.

He's ready.

He's ready for it. He's ready to contact now.

Yes.

Harbaugh has been so much fun to watch. Now, if you're a Panthers fan, I do have a stat that will make you feel better. I feel like we should give them a little bit of positive try to find something that Panthers fans can be like, mildly okay about.

Yeah.

So this is the stat to make you feel better the week if you're a Panthers fan. Bryce Young had 38% more passing yards in the first half than Trevor Lawrence had. So Bryce had 22 yards passing in the first half. Trevor Lawrence had 16 yards passing in the first half. That's big.

Bryce Young did that, that little hop he did to try to get it over the lineman was so cute.

It was.

I feel bad for Bryce Young. I feel bad for Adam Thielen. It's. They're a tough watch. They're a really, really tough watch. Yeah.

There's not a lot to look forward to about those games.

The Panthers didn't get a first down until their fifth drive of the game. And then when they got the first down, the very next play was a Bryce Young interception.

It's sad. Now, is there something that Carolina Panthers fans could do to do, like a reverse major league to make their owner, David Tepper, move the team out of town? Like, can you tank property values in the stadium area? He's probably looking for a new stadium anyways because owners do when they get a team.

He's just getting restless. He's like, well, this toy isn't working. Yeah, a new one.

It's not, it's not anything about how I'm running the team. It's just the walls that my team is forced to play in. That's what's making us bad. But if I was a Panthers fan, I would, I would strongly consider trying to force to ask him, move the team.

Yeah, this is bad. He said, asked about the, about his confidence, Bryce Young says his confidence is in the Lord. At least he's getting it from somewhere.

That's good.

Yeah, I, I just, they're a tough watch, and that was in God's hands. It's in God's hands. That was the worst match up for them because the Chargers are a man football team now. They ran the ball 44 times. Jim Harbaugh just, I mean, he, yeah, the team is Jim Harbaugh's identity. He's so, so enwrapped in everything that he asked the equipment staff this week to give him Justin Herbert's shoes, whatever sneakers he wears, because there's not a gene in his body. I wouldn't immediately trade for talking about Justin Herbert.

That's amazing.

That was his.

That's amazing. I love it. And I love that he's wearing his shoes now because it probably makes him feel like a quarterback too.

Yeah.

He's like, I'm a real ball.

Yeah, I'm ready to go.

I'm ready to go. So he is keeping the team out east. We talked about this on Thursday. So they're staying in Charlotte this week.

Body clock.

He said bring the board games for the trip. I looked into it. I found out the board game bringing along. It's. I think this was on the Athletic. It's called Chameleon. It can be played by anyone from three to eight players. One player is secretly designated as the chameleon. A code word is also selected. The other players must figure out who the chameleon is before the chameleon figures out the code word. That sounds like a fun game.

Ooh.

So Harbaugh loves it.

Wolf. Yeah. Werewolf. Yeah.

Sounds a little bit like secret wolves.

Right.

So they're going to just be playing chameleon all week, which it should be fun. Just a little boys trip. And Harbaugh was like, I love it. It reminds me of just being back in training camp, doing this road trip. I get it. I get it for him. But also, like, training camp was like three weeks ago.

Yeah, four weeks ago. But he misses it.

He misses training camp.

He misses it so much.

He's a football guy.

Yeah.

Now for Bryce Young, he did. He set a record today. So he threw for 84 yards on 18 completions, which is record low for that completions. Panthers haven't led a game in 272 days. I guess. 273. Now it's a long time without a lead. So I have a question for you, big cat.

Yeah.

Can the Panthers, should the Panthers bench Bryce?

So why would you?

Because he's not very good.

But what's the point? Are you trying to win football games?

Well, that's theory. In theory.

Theory. But I. You would have. If you, if you're just this bad all year.

Yeah.

You'd have the number one pick. Then you can draft a quarterback of your choosing. Yeah, I see what you're saying. I do think they would maybe fuck around and win a couple games with Danny Dalton. I guess the question is what? Cause it. It sucks for Bryce Young. I don't know if he ever would have been a good quarterback, but it doesn't feel like it's ever going to happen. Carolina. I feel like that part is, is kind of done. Because even if he plays the rest of this year, there's no way the Panthers are going to be good enough where they're like. Like, we're going to keep them going forward, especially if they have the number one pick.

Okay, so Canales was brought in to fix Bryce Young.

Right.

Because he's obviously still a very young quarterback. They still probably hope that he can be good.

You can't give up hope. You're too. Yeah.

So they hired a head coach to fix him. He's not playing well right now. Would he play better if he was benched right now and got to sit for a while and watch Andy Dalton? Would that improve the long term prospects for.

I don't know if it would. I don't know. I don't know what. I don't. I don't think anything would improve. Maybe. I guess you could try it, Bryce. But then. But then Andy Dalton, then you come into the problem of Andy Dalton plays better. Everyone in the locker rooms like his guys better.

Yeah.

You try to go back to Bryce Young and everyone in the locker rooms like, what the fuck are you guys doing? Like, these are. We're putting our bodies on the line. You're. You just bench the better quarterback.

And then Bryce Young understands that the better quarterback is 80 Dalton. And then he feels weird about play. I mean, he probably feels weird about his play right now.

Yeah. I mean, it sucks. It's a bummer. I feel bad for him. It's. It's a tough watch. He. He didn't complete a pass over ten air yards, and he only attempted two of them over ten air yards.

Yeah.

So he's just not even.

Was one of those a cute little jump?

It might have been. No, that was kind of a sideways. Yeah.

Sidelines. Yeah.

Tough watch. The last thing is, I think you posted this as well. Pft. But the Harbaugh quote that we got to play for the people.

Yeah.

Is so, so good. I'm gonna play it here. Let's see. I'm gonna find it. Let me get it. Ready for this?

Yeah.

Guys who like. I love guys who like football, and guys who like football, they like me back, and I like them back. And even guys that don't like football, I mean, they try to avoid me because I'm always trying to get them to like football. Football. More. One of the best quotes ever. I have a rowback question for you. Pf roback.com rhoback.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Cusips, polos, hoodies, joggers shorts roback.com promo code take. Let me play it one more time, then I'm gonna ask my question.

Okay.

I love guys who like football, and guys who like football, they like me back, and I like them back. And even guys that don't like football, I mean, they try to avoid me because I'm always trying to get them to like football more without saying too much. I think we should remix this and make it our new intro.

Okay.

What do you think?

I'm in.

Yeah. I mean, it's the perfect quote. He literally made that quote for us.

I like guys.

He described our podcast.

One of my favorite parts about that quote is he said, I love guys who like football.

Yeah.

So you don't even have to love football for Jim Harbaugh to love you, right? You just have to like football.

Right?

If you like football, then he loves you. And then later on in the quote, he almost says, even guys who don't like football, he was almost saying, like, I like those guys, too. But then he stopped himself. He was like, well, no, they probably don't like me because I'm always trying to get them to love football.

Right. Which is so applicable to all of our lives where it's like, people who don't like football. You. You. You know, everyone's been in that. That social setting where it's like, you find someone who doesn't like football. Yeah. And you can get through maybe a few minutes of conversation, then just, boom. Like, wait, so you don't. What do. What do you do on Sundays? Don't watch football.

Then what's your life?

Yeah. What do you do we care about?

What do you love?

We might as well just be from different countries. I don't understand this.

I love guys who like football. There should be a dating app for just guys that like football.

Yeah, it's called. It's called yahoo. Fantasy football.

I like that.

It's called draftkings. DF'S. Which do we. How do we finish? Did I win?

I was close.

Yeah. How'd you finish?

Dead last.

Oh, that's great setup.

I was closest.

Close.

Fuck.

You were. Should we point? Should we remix that and make it an intro?

I'm sure.

Oh, yeah, I like it. Let's go. All right, so that's a. I'm excited about that. And he's our good friend. Fuck. It really is. Like, it's so refreshing that I can just embrace and enjoy everything that Jim Harbaugh does again, because it was like this when he was with the Niners, and then when he went to Michigan, I was like, well, I can't, I got to take a step back here because I got to play them and all that shit. And now it's, we're back.

It's great. I would watch a hard knocks on just Jim Harbaugh. Yeah, just Jim Harbaugh. Like a nature show. Yeah, like a guy in a khaki outfit just following him around like he's a wildlife photographer. For observing Jim and talking about all the things that Jim's doing.

Yeah, I did see a very funny, a Michigan fan. It seemed like online, basically trying to get, it was very clear. Was one of those people that only watches college football. Yeah, they're like, it took Jim Harbaugh two game, two weeks to tie urban Myers wins in the NFL. He was in the NFL for a while and he won a lot of games before that.

Yeah, I like that, though. I love. Because usually it's all the other way around when it's like NFL guys parachuting into college football.

Right.

And then talking about those players and then to see it come the other way. That's nice.

Yes.

We all have.

Like that guy was watching the Chargers game, like, wow, Jim Harbaugh's a pretty good NFL coach.

You know, a lot of times these guys don't translate to the NFL, but Harbaugh does.

So, yeah, Panthers are the biggest bummer. And I don't know what the spread I. Who they play next week? Oh, there. I think they're playing the Raiders. Whose line is it anyway? Where can you find it? Yep, it's in Las Vegas, I believe. I don't. The Panthers are going to get to a point if they keep losing like this, where their spreads are going to get. They're going to be like college football spreads.

Can you imagine? Yeah.

Okay, I'm going to say Raiders minus seven.

I'm going to say Raiders minus seven and a half.

One of you is correct.

Which one? Pick out seven. All right, so probably be seven and a half. Let me see. I'm gonna look up the Panthers schedule real quick.

Let's see where find their win.

Not only find their win, but I want to see how outrageous these games are gonna get.

A nice five and five split next week, too.

Yeah, I like that.

Bengals week four is going to be a pretty, that's gonna be plus like a ten. So they play the chiefs, looks like after thanksgiving. I mean, that's mean. That could be like a 17 points.

That's mean.

Yeah, they play the Eagles at the Eagles Cowboys. That those could, those could be creeping up 1417 points. Then you're gonna be like, I have to bet them.

Oh, shit.

What?

I didn't realize we had the Tony rich caleb williams bowl next weekend.

Yeah, dude, that's what I've been saying. Hello.

I didn't realize that was all leading up to this. Now, now the. Now the feelings make more sense.

I was saying that I'm like, in. It's going to be, no matter what, it's going to be hell for me for 4 hours because it's just going to be hell. It's going to be hell. Where have you been?

Sorry.

That was like a top. That was like a point of conversation.

I didn't realize it was next week.

Yeah, but I'm saying all this stuff knowing there's a chance that Anthony Richardson could beat Kale Williams. And I'm just going to. I will have to deactivate my twitter. Yeah. All right. Let's get to, we'll do a couple ads and then we'll get to the afternoon games and talk Sunday night football.

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Okay, should we talk chiefs Bengals first?

Let's talk about it.

Big cat who so chiefs outlast the Bengals? Bengals looked a lot better. Yep, a lot better.

Joe Burrow looked okay.

Yup, Joe Burrow looked okay. I was like very walked away from that game saying the Bengals that I thought the Bengals might be in trouble. I was teetering on that with the wrist and everything and the water bottle. I do not think the Bengals are in trouble. They just couldn't beat the Chiefs because the Chiefs of just are inevitable. Yeah, they're inevitable million times. It's we had one of the coolest interceptions ever by the Bengals, a one handed grab down the sideline and it was like this incredible play. Cam Taylor Britt. And then like three plays later, Joe Burrow fumbled in the, in the end and everyone stopped playing. And the Chiefs ran in for a touchdown.

Yeah, and Cam Taylor Britt was the guy that was talking shit about Xavier Worthy.

Yes.

And Xavier Worthy didn't beat him. Patrick Holmes had what, like 154 yards passing today.

Yeah.

So they limited him a little bit.

Savior worthy with two for 17. So he was kind of right.

But there's, there's an issue that I've seen creeping up and it showed its head today. Maybe you'll agree with this, that last flag of the game.

Yeah.

A lot of people have Chiefs derangement syndrome when it comes to the refs.

Oh, yeah, a lot.

And it's an issue. So occasionally the Chiefs will get calls. And I think the biggest difference is with the Chiefs of if they get a call that's borderline, they make you pay for it. And they end up winning the game. Usually if they get one thing that goes in their favor, this was a perfectly normal call. And then you see all the people, like, across the NFL media landscape posting still shots of what appears to not be pass interference.

Correct.

It was very clearly past interference.

Yes.

Listen, the Chiefs, we can complain about the Chiefs being thieves of joyous, but it doesn't always have to be. The refs gave a win to the Chiefs.

It's, it's even one. I completely agree with everything you said. It's one more than that because it is the Bengals. Yeah. And listen, we love Joe Burrow. We've spent some time in Cincinnati. Bengals fans, for the most part, are very good people. They also probably lead the league in online, like, screen grabs, posting them constantly. This all started maybe with the Demar Hamline stuff and, like, it's not fair that we're doing a coin flip, all this shit, but Bengals fans and Chiefs fans is a very combustible situation. And then you add a defensive pass interference, which I agree was, it was pass interference. And you have what's going on right now where we have, the minute you have reply, guys quoting the NFL rulebook, you know, you're in too deep. Yes, and we have. And then I don't know if you've seen this. Pft. But, but Bengals fans have now also, and I'm not, I'm not judging Bengals fans cause I would do the same thing. So I just want that on the record, that Bengals fans, you have every right to be upset about this, maybe for like two days, then you got to get on with the season.

They found a holding call or a holding call that was missed on that same play. So they're now screen grabbing that and throwing it under every single reply. But you're absolutely right. The Chiefs are very, very hard to beat. So if they get any call late in the game, whether it's warranted or nothing, everyone's going to be like, this is bullshit. The Chiefs already are really good. Why are we helping them out at all?

Yeah. And if you remember that game last year where Mahomes did not get the call correct, and then after the game, hackers.

Yeah.

And then after the game, he was like, no, I'm not going to blame it on that. I'm not going to complain about that.

I'm going to yell my wide receivers.

Yeah. Like, sometimes, sometimes the shit doesn't go your way. And I get it, too. If you're a Bengals fan because you're furious you played good enough to win, you lose at the last second. So you are. And you can find all the screenshots that you want. If you just look at every play, you can just pause it and it'll be blurry enough and take a picture. Be like, look, our guy got held on that one. You didn't call it. You have to have. So you can't just be like, okay, I admit it, we lost. Great game, Chiefs. You have to fight it for a little bit.

Yeah. You have to.

You have to fight it and you have to be like, well, we didn't really lose. The refs fucked us.

Yeah.

And that, that'll make you go to sleep a little bit better if you can be angry at somebody that's not your own team.

Right.

Or just you don't you want to delay accepting the fact that the Chiefs are just really good when it counts.

Right.

And they just are.

We should note there was that one game where he did complain. He went up, I think it was after, I think he went up to Josh after a game and was like, that was bullshit and you know it. Yeah, he apologized afterwards. Yeah. But that, that was heat of the moment. Bengals fans are in heat of the moment right now. You get a cup, 48 hours go off, say everything you want, you, it's going to make you feel a little bit better. It's not going to change anything. Yes, screen grabbing, but it will make you feel better.

Screen grabbing. The NFL rulebook is a wild movie, right? Especially the one that was going around, which was like, you don't have to call pass interference if the defender is making a normal play of the ball and they're not like trying to move the other guy the way, then you could say that about almost every price interference. You'd be like, I think he was trying to make a play on the ball.

And here's a pathetic fact about all of us, and I'm talking to all the listeners, all of us in this room, and this is just the truth. When you get screwed in a game like this, when you think you get screwed in a game like this, because again, we don't think that they got screwed. That was the right call. When you think you get screwed in a game like this, sometimes the best coping mechanism is to get in a hours long argument with a random person on Twitter.

Yeah.

That's what you do. You just, you go back and forth with someone and you try to, well, actually them and you never get to an actual point that makes any sense whatsoever. And you guys will never see eye to eye, but it's it's kind of. It kind of of brings off the stress. And you're like, hey, you know what? I feel better that I just had a, like, two hour argument with, with fart Sniffer 69, and I don't even know where he is. Yeah.

Then you just get really mad at Fart sniffer.

Yeah. Right.

And you're like this guy online, and then when you block him, then when he makes a good point, you just stop responding to the conversation.

Yeah.

Greeted us and move on. But I. You can see how the Chiefs are just morphing everybody into, like, a conspiracy theorist.

Yes.

When they win these types of games, it's chief to get right, is what it is. And they're just like, this cannot be how the game ended. You must have cheated. I'm gonna get to the bottom of this.

It's kind of like the Super bowl against the Eagles.

Yeah.

Where there's two things can be said, kim. Can. Can exist in the same exact universe where a penalty can be a penalty, and you can also be mad that the game ended on that. Yeah. That's the truth. Like, the Eagles penalty was a penalty, and we all said, well, that was a really underwhelming finished for a Super bowl. This game was a really good game that was hard. Fought back and forth and having it end on a penalty when you. When it felt like the Bengals had the Chiefs on the ropes, that sucks. And guess what, Bengals? I feel like even though you're owing to, and you gotta, you gotta start winning some games, which I think you.

Will, a tough game on Monday.

I think you. You. You proved that. Now that Joe Burrow is back, you guys are the hardest out for the Chiefs. That's a fact. You guys, like, they are the hardest out for the Chiefs. If you ask the Chiefs, if you ask Chiefs fans, if you ask Patrick moms, you ask Andy Reid, you hit him with true serum. You're like, what team do you not want to play? It's the Cincinnati Bengals.

Yeah, I think. I think the Bills could be up there in that argument, but if they haven't, even if you ask the Chiefs, they'd say, we'd much rather play against the Bills.

Right.

Than against the Chiefs. It's not that the Bills are, like head and shoulders better, but I think right now, I would put them easily ahead of the bangles.

Yeah. The Bengals haven't won a game.

Won a game yet. What is going on with T. Higgins?

I don't know.

Do we know is T. H. Yoshi's next up, though? No. Yoshi's he's fun. Yeah, he's good.

Very fun.

But Jamar Chase is in. T Higgins is out. It's exactly the opposite of what we thought it would be like, like two weeks ago.

Yep.

So I don't know what's going on with T Higgins.

I think Jamar Chase and T Higgins, it, from everything I understand, they just flip flop with who's got the headlines this week that they're upset.

That's what I'm saying. Like, it was. It was Jamar Chase until the last week of training camp, and then t Higgins has an injury, and then some people are saying it's not a real injury. And t Higgins had to come out last week and say, I'm not faking it, it's real. And I don't know.

Can Bengals fans explain it to me? Because I've heard conflicting reports. But essentially, like, what I understand is this all just goes back to the fact that Mike Brown is poor by owner, by NFL owners state standards. Yeah, he's poor. He's like, he doesn't have the money to throw at everyone. And this is what ends up happening. He threw all the money at Joe Burrow, which he obviously should have, but now he's got to pay everyone else, and it's difficult.

And Jamar Chase says that he's not going to negotiate this season. He feels like they lied to him.

Oh, no.

In the process.

That's not good.

So. It's not good. It's not good, whatever's happening. And since. And I think it does boil down to the fact that he doesn't like spending money. Money.

Yeah. It.

You forced him. He had his back up against the wall and had to give a massive contract to Joe Burrow.

Yeah.

And so now he doesn't have any money for his receivers.

Yeah. This is why you just should never draft really good players. Cause then you have to pay them.

Yep.

Facts. What a curse. We also have got a little too far with everything that Patrick Mahomes does is the best thing ever because did you. Did you hear that clip that Tony Romo, when Patrick Holmes, he just missed Travis. Kelsey threw it under threw Travis. It went in the dirt. And Tony Romo, I got to find the quote. He basically was like, that's a winning play. He did that intentionally. It was so not intentional. But another Chiefs derangement where Patrick Holmes could have an incompletion and Tony Romeo be like, that was awesome.

Green himself. Dude, I've been watching quarterbacks that throw that in completion for the last 25 years.

There's nothing special.

No.

A lot of guys can, can throw that in completion, but not like Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, he, it was, it was great. I feel like the Bengals are going to be ok. I really do. I watch that game being like, the Bengals are going to be fine. They do have to win a couple of games. It's this, it's a September Bengals. Well, yeah, they, they always get to this point where they're like, now we got to win some games.

They always start owing to. This is the third straight year starting. Okay.

Yeah. I might have to just bet on them to win the Super bowl. It feels like they're probably a good price. Probably good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They started in a bad spot. It's crazy to say that the Pittsburgh Steelers are 20, and the Bengals and the Ravens are owing to both, badly need a win. Who do the Bengals have next week?

Bengals have the commanders. Oh, Monday Night Football.

Then they badly need a win.

It's LSU quarterback party.

Yeah.

And I'm gonna be staring at it, and they play.

So the Bengals have the commanders and Panthers next two weeks.

Yeah. This feels to me like I'm about to get my ass kicked.

So this should be the Bengals should get right ish.

The only good news is that it's not the standalone Monday game.

Yeah.

I feel like we play worse when we have the nation's undivided attention on our shitty team.

Yeah. By the way, update on Dylan Raiola cosplaying as Patrick Holmes. I feel very confident, my position, that it's weird. What do you do this week, he did the exact replica of the run to the end zone to pump up the crowd doing this.

Yeah.

And then he did the jump that Mahomes does where he, like, does a jump squat, and it was weird.

Okay, that's strange. It's strange, but if it works, but.

If it works, I no knock on the guy. He's a really good quarterback. It's weird what he's doing. Do you feel confident in it, Hank? Are you still. Oh, you have to defend it because of the Tatum Kobe stuff.

I don't think it's that weird. Yeah, I think. I think, wait, all right, so you just let me hear. Hear you out, quarterback. Before the game goes up to a student section, gets them pumped up and stretches.

Okay. If a quarterback ran to the end zone and did the. Let's fucking go.

Like every quarterback doesn't every game. Oh, no, you're reaching.

No, I'm Hank. Well, first of all, you don't watch college football, so I can't really.

I mean, you don't even know that. I saw the same highlight you saw on Twitter.

And you don't think that that's weird?

If you put them side by side? I'm sure if you did that with a million other quarterbacks and you add in the.

The hair and the facial hair.

If the hair was. It's a trending hairstyle, I'll agree with you.

If the facial hair and the regular hair weren't. If he had totally different hair, totally different facial hair, didn't wear the same shades and he did the pump up, I would agree with you. Like, that's all right. Whatever. That's fine. It's everything. Max, I feel like you're.

He's a fuck. It's so weird. And you know that it's weird. The look on Hank's face knows that. He knows that it's weird.

Of course he does. He's playing devil's advocate, which I appreciate.

It's. It's what you do if you're an eleven year old in your backyard. There's not a starting. They're just Nebraska. He's a good quarterback. That's the craziest part. Be yourself.

What happens if he gets drafted?

I know.

Like, is he gonna. Is he gonna still act like Patrick Mahomes when he's in the NFL?

No.

That'll be electric video, though. He shaves the head.

Isn't he, like, going is the number one? Yeah. Like.

And he's. And it's not a knock on him as a person. It's just weird. I think it's.

I mean, it's so weird. I'm ready to say it's a knock on him.

It feels like he wants to steal his life.

Yeah, it's weird.

It's weird.

So it was that talented Mister Ripley.

Yeah, that.

The one where he just becomes people again.

Hank has to defend it because of the Jason Tatum, Kobe Bryant.

Yeah.

Just kids. Just kids.

Just kids. Just kids.

I don't think it's that weird.

Can you imagine?

Again, it's like, you want to be the best quarterback in the world. Why not emulate the best quarterback?

You are yourself. You are a starting quarterback for Nebraska. Why don't you just be yourself and be the best quarterback in the world?

That's what he's doing.

No, no, that's not what he's doing.

He's getting the crowd pumped up and stretching.

What if it's just coincidence?

What if it.

What if he doesn't even know that.

He did kind of try to say that. He's like. I said, oh, he had a quote where he's like, yeah, I was playing baseball when I was growing up. Up. Which again, okay. He's like, I didn't really watch football, so I don't. Or what do you say?

No, he said that. He was like, why do you wear number 15? He goes, oh, yeah, I was. Big Tim Tebow fan.

Yeah. Right. Yeah, right. It's like you were.

No, it's Patrick. Like, it's Patrick.

Yeah.

What if he, like, what if he starts dating a girl that looks like Brittany?

It's he. But he was.

Makes his brother act like. Like Jackson. He had memes. There was also a story that he.

Transferred to Nebraska because the colors of the Jersey look more like. Look more like the Chiefs than Georgia does.

Now, is that. Is that true, or is that something you write?

Just a rumor. And there were a lot of people saying it.

Okay.

I like that rumor. He's a good quarterback.

Yeah, he is.

Our haters.

I think it's very funny. It's definitely weird, but it's also fun.

I think it's cool.

You should start doing it, Hank.

You should not.

Mahomes. Fuck that guy.

Yeah.

You should start dressing like Shannon Sharp.

Unclockwood.

That would be cool. Unclockwood would be awesome.

Yeah.

Double on.

That'd be sick. All right, next game. Yeah, we. I'm happy we are in complete agreement that the world has Chiefs derangements.

It is. And it pains me to say that because, like. Yeah, sometimes the Chiefs, they beat teams that I would prefer to beat the Chiefs. I'm not saying I'm a Chiefs hater because I'm not. I respect the Chiefs. I respect greatness in all its forms. When they beat the Bills in the playoffs, sometimes I'm like, yeah, I wish Josh Allen was able to beat this team and go to a Super bowl. That'd be fun. So I'm not a Chiefs. I'm not a Chiefs hater at all. And you're forcing me to have to show every show. You, like, open your eyes. This is weird to complain about that pass interference call.

I also think the Chiefs fans have a little part in this. They have to do their part where they have to kind of morph into Patriots fans and just circle the wagons. Well, no, no. Just admit, like, you're. You're better than everyone and you're not going to bother with. With the peons of the NFL, because that's the best. The one thing that I can't stand is when Chiefs fans are like, well, we had so many bad quarterbacks for yet. No shit. Everyone has had bad quarterbacks. You have the best quarterback. Just, just tell everyone that you're better than them. Yeah, that's it. I would respect that more. Don't get in arguments. Don't say, oh, oh, well, you know, what about this call and this call that went against us? No, just say, we're better than you. Yeah, that's what you need to do, because you're gonna be the villain no matter what. You win enough that you have become the villains. Embrace the villain role and just be the villains. The NFL.

Yeah, it's crazy because there's, there are thousands of unique photoshops of refs wearing what appear to be Kansas City Chiefs gear. Usually it's like one or two. Yeah, there's like, with the ref doing the lambo leap. Yeah, there's that one. But with the Chiefs, it's seriously, I've seen thousands of them that are all different.

Yes, yes. Okay. The Cardinals. Rams we can do quickly. Kyler Murray was sensational.

Yeah, he was really good. Marvin Harrison junior called it on Friday.

Yeah.

Awesome. First quarter for him is the first win over the Rams at home for the Cardinals since 20, 1410 years.

I seriously, I. Kyler was. He played perfect football to start that game.

Yeah.

And he was just hit. He was making the right, like, running at the right time, passing at the right time. Marvin Harrison deep balls. James Connor might be my favorite running back to watch just because of how he runs. It's crazy that he can run that upright and just, like, roll over people.

It is crazy.

It's so much fun when he gets the ball with a head of steam and he's just standing. He looks like a different creature.

Yeah. Out there, they're not used to hitting a guy that's upright.

Like, yeah, he shouldn't be that tall. Like, they don't make running backs like that.

Yeah, it was, it was a fun game. If you're a Cardinals fan, if you're a Rams fan, you're in trouble. You're in trouble. Cooper cup. I don't know if he's actually injured or if he, like, tweaks something. And then Sean McFee smartly was like, don't play for the rest of this game. Yeah, you don't have to hurt yourself anymore. We're already banged up to hell. So he didn't play in the second half. Half. And the Rams are already crushed by injuries.

It feels like 2022 Rams when they had that year where just everyone got hurt at the same time and they were fucked. Yeah.

Your offensive line is not looking great. Two receivers that are injured. I felt bad for the Rams in the second. It looked like McVeigh was just trying to get the game over.

Yeah.

Let's just turn the page on this one.

Yeah. Cause the Cardinals just rolled them and I've said it, but the Cardinals are my fun watch. They're fun.

They're very fun watch.

Tyler Murray when he's healthy is so much fun to watch.

And that loss at the Bills week one looks like maybe the best loss of the year so far.

That was a fun watch.

Great loss.

Yeah, it was a fun game.

And you didn't have to show Marvin Harrison.

Yeah. You. You knew they were going to get him.

Save it for week two.

Yeah. And then speaking of fun watches, the opposite of that was Steelers Broncos. Yeah.

This feel like the sealers are like that every year.

Yeah.

Not a fun watch, but they win.

But then you add in Bo Nicks.

Yeah.

Who has struggled still time. But I. But, yeah, it was. It was. It was tough to watch. Justin Fields was good for a half.

Yeah.

What was his first half? He. I think he had like 100 yards in the first half and then ended with 117. Yeah.

They just ran the ball in the second half. They didn't even really look like they wanted to score at all.

Yeah. And their defense is so good. And you knew going into this game that bone be in trouble. Sean Payton gets the. The double whammy of what the fuck are you doing? Where he kicked a field. A sad field goal because the broncos have never been shut out at home. So that that felt like he was kicking the field goal for that specific reason that one came. Let's see, it was ten minutes left or. Sorry, it was ten minutes left in the fourth quarter, down 13 to nothing. They kicked a field goal.

Yep.

And then I guess because he kicked that first field goal, he did have to kick the second field goal. And then with what? Two minutes, 154 left, he kicked. He kicked it deep. He did not do an onside kick.

Yeah. So he only likes his prize onside kicks.

Yeah.

There's somebody out there online. Jacob Sanderson wrote this up pretty good. I think he said, sean Payton made me suffer today. I'm going to make you suffer with me. So this spells out pretty good. Sean Payton had four possessions that reached or began in the fourth quarter today. Starting down 13 to nothing on possession one. Peyton passed up a fourth and 6th from the 16 with 1045 remaining in favor of field goals. Make it 13 to three in exchange for giving up the ball, as team went from needing two touchdowns to needing two touchdowns. Fortunately for Peyton, he did get the ball back. But this time he chose to punt on fourth and eight from the 33 with 757 remaining, locking himself into a best case scenario of getting the ball back with about five and a half minutes remaining. Down to possessions again, he needed his defense to either stop punting, stop either punting or missing on fourth down. So Peyton decided on the second straight possession that being down ten instead of 13 was worth not having the ball and losing two plus minutes of the game. On possession three, Peyton faced a fourth and five at the eleven with 155 remaining.

Once again, he chose the path of the foot, making it 13 six and forgoing a chance to play, to win regulation and to need only a field goal on his potential next drive. So Sean Payne was playing extend the game until the game ended.

It's crazy.

So extend the game works if. If you end up extending the game enough to win the game, but if you lose all that time by trying to extend the game, you're actually shortening the game.

It felt like Sean Payton has a secret clause in his contract that. Who's Walmart? The Waltons.

The Walton family.

Yeah. The Waltons gave him a special clause in his contract being like, it doesn't matter. Wins and losses. We just need to have the ball with a chance to tie.

Yeah.

And that's how he played the game because they did actually get the ball back with 9 seconds left. People watch the chance to tie.

You know what? If people are watching on tv all the way through the fourth quarter, that's good for business.

Yeah.

That's good ratings.

Some Jerry Reinsdorf shit.

You can sell advertising in the fourth quarter for way more than you sell it for in the first quarter. First quarter.

Yeah. Yeah.

I guess it's smart. They also did a terrible towel knockoff giveaway at the game today, which I feel like teams are oh, for lifetime when they play the Steelers and they try to do their own terrible towel giveaway.

Yeah.

Because what they try to do is they try to drown out out the towels in the stadium with their own home team towels. And you don't piss off the terrible towel. No, you just don't do that. No, it was bad.

Steelers are well ahead of schedule for their eight and nine. Or nine and eight. Yes. Like, I don't. So Rossi is still out.

He was inactive, but also the emergency quarterback again. Again today. Jussie's two and o. Jussie's 20.

Do you stick with Jussie?

I think you got to go rusty.

You think you go Ross?

I think you got to go Rusty at this point, because if you go Jussie again, you're essentially playing a game of Russian, just Justin Roulette, I guess, with him. Because if you put Justin back in, eventually he will have a good game that they win because of him. And if that happens before he has his bad game, then you got to keep going with Justin at that point. You can't switch to rusty right now. Justin has played poorly enough where you can make that switch right now. And then maybe if Russell Wilson struggles, then you put Justin.

Yeah.

So I think you got to go back. And then maybe you go back again.

Yeah. Switch back and forth.

Yeah. And there's also. There's always one play in every Steelers game. It happens every week where they run like an outside stretch play against the Steelers defense, and they don't block TJ Watt.

Yeah. And it's always a four yard loss.

And every week, TJ Watt makes a tackle easily in the backfield. On the running back.

Yeah. And it almost gives him, like, a freebie. That just gets him even more juiced up.

But why does every single team run that play?

I don't know. He's such a monster.

He is a monster.

He's an absolute monster. Yeah. Their defense looks awesome.

I have a Bo Nick stat for you.

Oh, no.

Bo Nicks is eleven of 36 for 212 yards and four picks on passes that are more than five yards downfield. So. More than five yards downfield, eleven for 36. Four interceptions on those. Not very good. And he is like. He's treated like he coaches son.

Yeah.

Sean Payton looks at him like he's his son.

Yeah.

And we knew whatever was in that backpack, we got to know.

Yeah. Famous backpack. All right, last game before we do who's back, we will talk a little Monday night Football as well. The Texans 19, the Bears 13. What would you. Hank, I'll let you decide. What should you like me to do first? You want me to get as negative as I been getting in the last, I don't know, 45 minutes that we've been taping and talking about other games, or you want me to do what is trying to be a reasonable. Stop laughing, memes. Memes, you deleted everything on your phone. I haven't done that. Listen, we all deal with losses poorly here. I think that's. I think that we've learned. If we learn anything from. From this podcast, we all are not great when our teams lose. Would you like me to get really, really dark, really, really negative or the calm? Easy, like it's going to be okay.

Let'S get dark first and then do the calm at the end and then move on.

Okay, so the dark is Caleb Williams is going to get murdered. He's going to get killed behind this offensive line. And I don't know how this offensive line is so, so bad and we just completely ignored it. It's the old Meme, you know, penae, sul blocking. Throw it to literally anyone. Jamar Chase and in completion he is going to get killed. He got, I think there was a stat. He got pressured and he did not play well. I want that on the record. He did not play well. He played well for a half. I thought his first half was very good. It was better. What are you doing? That face, was that face. Well, he. Okay, I thought his first.

I thought he played very well.

Sunday night Football. 1st. 1st start on the road in the NFL. He played well in the first half. He did not play well in the second.

Touchdown.

Yeah, that's fine. Things, those things kind of take some time. Okay, Max, what was the stat? I'm going to find it. 36 pressures on 42 pass attempts for Caleb Williams tonight.

And he was getting hit on every single one of them. He was getting just driven into the. He took some big shots tonight.

Six, six times. He had a some semi clean pocket. He was not, he did not play well in the second half. I do think he looked better in the first half than he did against the titans. Calmer hitting some guys. He missed a lot of guys downfield. I. You could say that's pressure. You can also say that that's just what it is. I don't know. I. I just don't fucking know. Okay? I don't know.

Can't tell you.

It's all fucked up. It's all fucked up right now.

Can tell you something.

What?

Watching the game, I thought that Caleb Williams was like probably the 6th or 7th biggest concern.

Yeah, I appreciate that. So. I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

Being honest.

Name a couple.

Okay. I wish, I wish we had done. I wish. So we taped the first ten games, the recap of the first ten games before Sunday Night Football. If you're, you've probably already tweeted this at me, but everything we said about Brian Dable and his challenges, Matt Iberfleuss is 100 million times worse. Those were two of the dumbest challenges I've ever seen. I don't know. One was what the fuck he was.

Doing one was right in front of him.

Right in front of him.

You could see him on the sideline, watch the play clearly 2ft down. And then he challenged it because he didn't like it. And then later on, challenging what, the interception?

Yeah.

Yeah. There were no. Chose zero chance. Take the flag away from, from him.

Yeah.

He shouldn't have access that he's lost flag privileges.

He has his brain for those two challenges was no different than, like, my five year old's brain when I watch him do something bad and then I'm like, why'd you do that? He's like, I didn't do that. Like, you're, it was a five year old brain to try to convince someone that what you, what just happened did not happen. We all saw it. It, we all watched it happen in slow mo, and then you're like, nah, fuck it. Maybe they'll just look at it and be like, no, it's totally different.

So I, I, listen, every coach kind of has that little bit of, I guess, delusion in them where they want bad things to not be true. I think a lot of people have that.

Yeah.

Natural thing. What separates good coaches from bad coaches is having some sort of system that accounts for that, where you have somebody that's not as emotionally attached to what just happened. Tell you, hey, Matt, that's a bad idea to challenge it. You're going to lose a challenge, and Matt, don't do that. We're going to lose the timeout. They don't have that in place. That's, that's the concerning part to me.

So, yeah, I'm borderline thinking, like, everything's fucked and everything's fucked. Do you want me do the positive? Yeah. Okay. So, boys, it's a second start. The offensive line is historically bad. People aren't talking about the fact that those two interceptions, he actually made incredible plays to extend the play and then had to throw him up hoping something worked. And the Bears defense is elite. The Bears defense showed up tonight where they, time and time again were put in very bad spots, and they kept on answering the bell and kept on making big plays after big plays. And the Texans are a Super bowl contending team that they went in there and they held them to. I think they had one offensive touchdown, right?

Let's see.

Nico Collins.

Collins scored.

I think everything else was field mixing.

Did not score.

Yeah, I think it was all field.

They're all long field goals, too.

Long as we kept them to long.

Field goals, you held them to extremely long distance field goals also. You guys have a good kicker.

Oh, yeah. Caro Santos, I trust 100%. Yeah. And kicking has gotten easy for everyone, but, yeah, I'm in a bad spot right now. I know that. This is exactly what people wanted to hear. Guess what? You got your wish. I'm in a bad spot. I'm in a bad spot because I was. It's. I'm actually, like, worried that even if Caleb Williams. I still believe in Caleb Williams. I don't know if Caleb Williams will survive.

Yeah.

The offensive line is that.

Yeah, the offensive line was bad on. Was it the second to last play, that sack that he took where Daniel Hunter just landed on him, just jumped.

On him like a spider monster time and time again.

It was all night. He was getting killed, and so he's gonna be very, very sore. But.

And also the.

You can run the ball next week.

Yeah, probably. Maybe. Hopefully. The worst part is that I think that Hank is going to be proven exactly correct, that, like, this was a huge mistake having iberfloos come back.

So Hank drafted him, though, and Shane.

Waldron, like, I don't know what the fuck's going on with the calls on this. Like, it felt like every single time, it was either a false start or the call came in late or Caleb didn't get it or everyone was running around. And I don't know if DJ Moore doesn't like Caleb anymore. I'm the. Everything's bad. Okay? Everything's bad. Yeah. What's up with him?

Like, not right. I don't know.

He was tired. Okay. Everyone gets tired on Sunday nights. I'm tired right now. You're. But you're half asleep.

Not as bad as last week. There has been, like, I think, a 75% increase in false starts in illegal formations across the league this year. It's unbearable to watch. Yeah.

Yeah. The. The play calls were getting in late. It seemed like they were up at the line of scrimmage. People were confused. Caleb, like, knew what was supposed to happen, but he could only, like, point and grab people so much until the clock was expiring. It looked a little bit out of sorts. But the good news is this is the Texans. The Texans are very good, and it's not as bad as some of the Bears primetime games have been in recent history.

It was pretty bad. That second half was really tough to watch. I kind of understand why memes cried cry. Can you guys just make me a promise to just don't call him a bust until I say he's a bust? I don't think he's a bust.

I don't think he's.

It's only.

It's only week two.

It's only.

We have to thank you.

It's. We're one in one.

I think. I think you're like, he's, look, he looked bad, but, like, it's only week two and he's a rookie quarterback going.

Against smiling.

Like, like people are listening and I. They just watched that game. Like, Caleb Williams did not look good, but it's week two in the second.

Half, career in the second half, but.

Like, he didn't look like a fucking superstar. He's averaging a half of a touchdown. The offense is averaging a half of a touchdown per game right now. That's not, that's not good, but it's only week two. That's the only thing that you got to say. It's only week two.

It's only week.

You can't judge. You can't judge higher guy by two weeks. Let's not.

He's looked bad for the second half and the whole first game.

No, fat bad.

He looks bad, Max. He was good in the first half.

What, what the finds good? Like, they scored one touchdown in the.

First half, but he looked good in the first.

But like, you, you see, you guys. You guys have a wrong definition of good right now.

But it was compared to last week.

But like, that.

How were his handoffs, Max?

Yeah. Yes.

Care about his handoffs. I wanted to throw the ball. I want him to have time to throw the ball.

Correct.

And, and that is an issue for sure. But, like, let's not. Let's just not sugarcoat it.

That's why I don't care if Drake.

Second half.

He looked very bad in the second half. He looked fine in the first. Like, he didn't look good in the first half. He didn't have a touchdown. You can't say that a guy one in a whole half of football, that's not like a good half of offensive football. So we're looking to have 14 points as an offense.

Max. Max is very upset because we hold Jalen hurts to quite a different standard on the show.

That speaker zero.

No, it's just that you. We hold all quarterbacks to a different standard. But it's a. I understand it's a rookie, but like, he calls Bay to Spade.

I agree. I was judging his first half based.

On the Titans, but, like, that's not what you want to.

I understood whether baby steps. Yeah. I was basically saying compared to the Titans game, he looks like the greatest quarterback ever. Then in the second half he looked almost worse than the Titans game. So we've gone backwards.

I admit to two weeks. I'm not going to sugarcoat and the Colts defense stinks.

I am not sugarcoated at all. Being like killed look awesome. I just thought the first half he looked well.

Pft tried to say that. The 6th most concerning thing. Yeah, it's the first.

No, like the Bears.

No way.

Will be.

My I'll give you my.

What are you most scared about?

I'll give you my offensive line.

Right. My top few, my top future of the bears.

You can't you go fix off of the line very quickly.

Six max fixing quarterback.

Not easy.

Well, coaching.

Hold on.

Coaching. Yes.

Save time means brain is going crazy. Offensive line is my first concern right now because it directly impacts Kale Williams growth and health. That's why. Fair. Fair.

But that's why that the quarterback is the most important thing always.

I just don't know who would have played well behind that line tonight.

That that's fair.

I don't. And I'm not saying that he's good because he's not. In week one, I didn't think the offensive offensive line looked bad, but it didn't look as bad as it did tonight. And I said kill played really bad bet tonight he there were times where I was like, this looks a little bit more comfortable. And then it just all went to shit. So yeah, I'm in a fucking world of hurt. I all my worst fears. It's all happened faster than I ever expected. And it just sucks. Everyone's just, I think I tweeted this fucking sucks. And maybe three minutes later I had 550 replies and they were all nasty. Very nasty.

Very nasty. It is funny because it's like the bus meme where big cats one and one. He's on the sad side of the bus. I'm one and one. I'm on the happy side of the bus. Yeah. It's just about, it's about the fact that it was a primetime game. It was. Primetime games are mean. They're very mean to do to, especially a rookie quarterback, especially a team that has lost a lot of Sunday night football games in a row. It's very mean. And I didn't like the Bears uniform. I hate to fucking for the traffic cone helmets.

The best way I could describe the Bears orange uniforms and they wear them is like, it looks like a seven year olds playing mad. And they're like, let me just do this combo of cool uniforms.

Bright. I like bright colors.

They're just the Bears have a great uniform. Why? Why fuck with it? But, yeah, everything's bad. Everything sucks. Kill does not look good pretty much at all. Offensive line is terrible. Defense is great. So it's Bears football. We're back in the same spot.

First half was okay.

We really needed that. We really needed that. Punt block. Needed a punt block. Need Devin Hessler to come out of retirement. And then we might be cooking.

Maybe Keenan Allen plays next, next week.

Now. It would be nice.

Did you see how many ch.

He had? Like, a lot of chains.

People are saying that Keenan Allen is overweight. I think he just might weigh in wearing all his jewelry. Yeah, I think that adds, like, 15 pounds.

Fuck, man. This fucking sucks. It happened so fast.

It'll be okay.

It's two weeks in the season. I told you this weekend was gonna be shitty. Bookends at bookends of shit. This is a dumb sport to even be a fan of. I just want to talk about football and hang out with Jim Harbaugh.

Yeah.

I want to root for anything. No, I liked it when memes. I should do the memes thing and just delete everything else sounds better. And I also don't like when Max is, like, sitting in, like, he's kind of talking down to us a little bit, which he has every right to do very much. Hank always talks down to us, but we expect it.

Max's. Max is, like, trying to snap us into reality.

Yeah. And it hurts.

You guys are trying to get to a winning place. You're shouting like losers.

This is a hard part. Pft. Where they can just do this to us.

Yeah, we're, you know, for.

I know you're feeling a lot better, which I understand.

Just.

Shane. Dana, those handoffs. Yeah.

Don't patronize me.

Shane Dales has looked better.

Patronized him.

No, Hank, it was one handoff. It wasn't all his handoffs, and you haven't even seen it. So you're talking.

Has we possible to find.

Have.

Literally impossible to find.

Has there have any of the court first round quarterbacks throwing a touchdown pass?

I think bo nix may have thrown one last week.

Did he.

I think he threw. I think he threw one late. Yeah.

Cause this would make me feel a little bit better where it's like, dude, it. Maybe it's just really hard right now for rookies to come into the NFL.

Speaker two. No, he did not throw.

All right. So, no.

No rookie quarterback has thrown a touchdown yet.

Wow. Well, that's good. I think.

No, that's. I think that's good.

We should see if. Dude. What? What? Are you shaking your head about Max?

No. Yeah, I was. I thought that he did, but I was shaking my head.

I wonder.

Oh, he ran one. That's what I'm thinking of. Oh, he ran one.

I wonder if Draftkings can do a bet next week because. Oh, no, you play it Monday night. Yeah, I was gonna say it would have been great if we did a race to first touchdown.

Yeah, I feel like. But you get juicy odds on Jaden.

I don't know. Kill might never throw a touchdown. I honestly think that at this point, it feels like there's a force field and we're never going to get there. Chris Collinsworth even said it. Wherever. Like, they haven't really run any plays in the red zone, so they don't know what to do.

I think. I think it'll happen. It's hard not to overreact to it because he did get his ass kicked tonight.

He has ass kicked.

You got some good defense, like some exploitable defenses coming up.

Yeah. And also our, the Bears defense is very good. It's going to keep, I mean, the Bears got the ball back with a chance to win the game with a minute and a half left. Their defense. Awesome. What are you laughing about? Me?

You're fine.

I'm looking at the schedule. You got a couple colts, Rams, Panthers, Jaguar. You're gonna be fine. You just gotta find it. Cardinals. Yeah. The Texans are good. They're probably gonna win the Super bowl. All right, Max, let's talk Monday night. How are you feeling? Would be a shame if you guys lost after you've been belittling us.

I was, I wasn't belittling. I just wanted to have an honest conversation. And I think it was good. I think it was constructive.

Did we not have an honest conversation? Said that he was bad.

I know we did. I think we had a good conversation. That's all I wanted to do.

And in relation to last week, there were moments where he looked good because he was so bad.

Yeah, you, you just got to, like, hang on to those, like those plays that were like, oh, that's a good play. That's a good throw.

Yeah.

You'll go back and watch the highlights and you'll just like, look at those plays where it's like, this is a really good throw. Someone will make like a, like a yemenite. 22 breakdown of the good plays that Caleb Williams did and then bad ones. That's what you will think of going, no, no. There'll be a Bears guy who, like, goes. And I make someone did that for Jalen hurts last week.

Okay? So that's why I make that for me.

The pics weren't his fault.

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I like Jahan Dotson. AJ Brown out. Jahan Dotson is probably going to have to fill in that role of like the, like, big receiver in the end zone or that, like an end zone guy that you need to go to to go catch a ball.

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I'm nervous about every game.

Are you going to the game?

I am going to the, hopefully I'm going to.

But are you nervous or like I said, scared? You asked me before the Sunday football definitely, I was nervous. I said scared.

I think we're six point favorites right now.

Yeah.

So definitely not scared. We should win the game, but we look sloppy on. We won week one against packers, but weird game. The field was shit and sloppy when I would love if we finished tomorrow winning by like 20 points, that would be great.

I have a prediction. I think. I think defense is going to eat. Oh, I think you guys are going.

To get after Kirk Cousins.

That'd be great. I would love that.

Yeah.

He didn't look like he could really move around. I got deep into some Falcons film breakdown Twitter last week. Apparently they're having Kirk Cousins stand with his right foot back when he gets snaps. And the entire rest of his career he's gone, left foot back. So he might be uncomfortable. Might not be fully healed. I feel like your defensive. Your defensive line. Go tee off on him.

I would love that. I would love that.

I think you guys are going to win. I think he's going to win by easily a D. What? Do you know what jerseys you're wearing?

I do not.

That's kind of significant. That would be important, because if you're wearing. You're not wearing Kelly green, right?

No, that would be everywhere. Hopefully, they're wearing black. I would like black.

Okay. So, yeah, good luck. You're going to the game. Are you tailgating.

Kind of yet? Kind of, yes.

Are people going to be. I mean, you're. You're the king of Philly. You're gonna get. People are gonna be like, max, Max, Max.

I can't find my flight info right now. That's kind of stress.

Is that why you said you might be going?

Yeah.

What do you mean you can't find your flight info?

It was, like, booked for me, and there's no, like, confirmation. I'm.

What?

It'll be fine. It'll be fine.

Okay. Find your flight, and then you're going to the game.

Yeah, yeah, no, I got to figure that out.

Be real sure.

So an early flight.

Hey.

Hank is such.

He's. This is. This is the bullshit about Hank. Those. That he. He's so removed, where it's like, I. I lose a game. Memes loses a game. Max, if you lose Monday night, it's, like, ruined your week.

Oh, that would be.

Yeah, Hank, it doesn't matter to him.

That'll be a sad.

He's great. He can just fucking. Just sit up in his tower and.

Just count the banners.

Oh, Dylan Rail is cool. And count the banners and just fucking chirp at us.

Cause Hank has the reassurance of the universe that eventually things will swing back in his favor. We don't have that same luxury.

No.

We have to trick ourselves into thinking that it's happening right now for us all the time.

And he just won an NBA final.

We have the reverse.

That's the worst part, is that he just. That he just won his number one championship.

Yeah.

You know what? I. Here's. Here's the. Here's the harsh reality that me and big cat have to live with, okay? When you have a quarterback back, when he releases a pass, we feel an impending sense of doom. Every single time I look, I yearn to have a quarterback that when the ball comes off their hands, I get excited, and I'm like, something good is going to happen to me. But until I get enough of that positive reinforcement for the rest of my life, I will just be thinking something bad is about to happen every time we attempt to pass. I don't want to prove it otherwise.

I don't remember the last time and I watched a quarterback for one of my teams drop back in a clean pocket. Like perfect five step drop step up, like 30 yard dime down the middle of the field. The guys wide open. Yeah, I don't even know what that looks like.

And I do mean earnestly like, I want for you guys what I've been able to experience, but we are the reverse.

Wherever.

Sit here as you guys try and justify these terrible games and be like, oh, everything's great. Like, you also have to be.

I never said everything's great.

Really?

I never said everything. Show me where I said everything's great. Never said everything's great.

I'll take nine super bowls, you take three.

Well, that was exciting. We have the exact reverse where he knows that everything will work out for him. We know no matter what happens, we'll just end up back in square one. Yeah, I'm literally at square one where the Bears defense is elite and everything else sucks to square one.

It's just nice to be able to not really care.

I was saying this earlier. Right now it's, it's gross. But like, things are turning out like very similar.

Everything.

Like the Patriots look kind of good. The Bears and commanders both look pretty bad. The Eagles won look good, but, like, not good at the same time.

The jets are the Jetse.

I mean, that is the truth. Memes. Yes. Or the jets were the best.

The only big winner is Shane.

Shane owns a podcast. Shane's Chargers fan. He owns a podcast because he's got Harbaugh.

Yeah.

All right, let's finish up the show. We got who's back of the week. Pft. You're going to do a quick ad before we go to who's back of the week.

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Okay, Hank, who's back of the week? Late on us.

Who's back of the week is the sphere.

Yes.

Yeah, you have sp at the. You. Whoa. Hey, now, UFC at the sphere. Feel like that's gonna be the future of UFC. It was.

I think it should be the future of all sports.

Yeah.

Basketball game at the sphere. That's where the. The NBA cup, the finals should be held in the year.

It looks so sick. Every time I see this fear, I'm like, why do I not just live there? Why don't I just figure out a way to get a job at the sphere?

I think you could do basketball, but that would be insane.

Why not?

Yeah, why not?

It's definitely distract the players, but I guess maybe not. I don't know.

Honestly, who cares?

No, you could probably black out this.

Like, the one on one aspect of fighting. It's like, yeah, I. You're like, you have to focus on the guy in front of you, because he's literally trying to choke you out. Basketball. You're moving. You're looking around. There's, like, a little more moving pieces, but it would be unbelievable.

Yeah, it'd be great. You could do the first half and have the sphere light up like it was one team's home arena, and then second half, have it be the other teams.

I'll watch any event that they have there.

Yeah. Yeah.

How big is it? Could they do a football game in there?

You've been.

I have no.

No football in the sphere.

Probably not.

We got to build a bigger sphere.

Yeah, we do need a bigger sphere. It looked awesome. Were the fights good? I missed it.

Sugar Sean lost.

Oh, there was maybe one of the gnarliest cuts I've ever seen. You see?

Oh, I saw that. Yeah.

Fighter.

Yeah.

Or head was split open.

I saw that. Also, shout out our guy, Robbie Fox.

Yeah.

Roke, news on Friday night. Did you see that, Hank?

I did.

Okay. He broke news that Michael Chandler is going to fight in a fight before he potentially fights Conor McGregor. So it's going to be Michael Chandler. Conor mcGregor. Michael Chandler's sick of waiting for Conor McGregor.

Well, I think they're us. Michael Chandler, our good friend McGregor.

What?

They're like, holding him. Holding him out.

Why?

Because he has two fights left on his deal, and then once his deal is done, then he can obviously make another deal. So UFC is delaying him. So he can. Can't do that.

Do you think it might also be the Conor McGregor really likes to party?

Yes. Cuz probably some. Somewhere. Somewhere in the middle.

I don't know how that guy keeps going on camera. Zooted out of his mind. Yeah, allegedly.

Plus, just stop going live, Connor.

Be so paranoid to just be on. He's just on tv on the moon, you know?

It's great breaking news by Robbie. He also got. Dana gave him a 20 grand for his wedding.

Yeah, well, no, Robbie won it.

Tunnel chaos.

Yeah, tunnel chaos.

Tunnel chaos happens.

Yeah, tunnel chaos. I want to go back to the tunnel.

Kiss me too.

The Bears. The Bears don't lose in the tunnel.

They, at the sphere, they could definitely set up like ten tvs, right? You could watch ten NFL football games at the same time in the sphere on a Sunday. Yeah, they should do that.

They should do that. That'd be sick. All right. Pft, your who's back.

My who's back of the week is bands getting into fights on stage.

Yeah.

Jane's addiction got into a little. A little fracas. I think that was Friday night.

Yep.

Perry Farrow went after Dave Navarro as the song ended through maybe the wimpiest, least intimidating punch of all time when he punched him off. I guess they've kind of been, like, biting at each other's heels for a while. Perry Ferrell's been a dick on stage a few times. I didn't actually know that James addiction was still a band.

Yeah, I didn't.

I just thought that Dave Navarro, his full time job was just being cool with tattoos on tv. Yeah, I thought that's what he got paid.

But also being married to Carmen. Lecture.

Are they still married?

No. For like a year.

Yeah. That was awesome.

She was. She. She was one. One for a little bit.

Yeah.

Long time.

She was great.

Ah, for me, well, it's like her and her and Pam were like Sosa McGuire, so I like Pam, but, yeah, both.

Yeah, both really good.

Starskin Hutch Elite.

Yeah.

Sneaky.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. But yeah. They got into a fight, and it looks like the band's breaking up now.

Damn.

So maybe they took the bullet for Oasis. Maybe Oasis gonna be just fine.

Yeah.

You and your own gotta do that this weekend.

That's a good. But I should. I should try to fight Ron on stage.

Yeah.

In Austin.

Go viral.

Yeah. That would be awesome. We are playing in Austin on Friday night. Free show. West 6th street.

Hell, yes.

Come out. Check it out. Pop punk. Excited to be back in Austin. I'm gonna eat so many breakfast tacos.

Love that. Put it on your mount rush.

Drink a couple margaritas.

All right. My. Who's back? We talked about earlier, but I got to pick a pink team.

So let's do it, I think right now.

Yeah.

They're gonna wait till Wednesday.

No, we got to do. Right now we have Owen, two teams. Falcons weren't with the Falcons. Could the Falcons be in there?

They could.

No.

Yeah.

If you're doing it right now.

No, but if the Falcon lose Monday night, then the Falcons are owing to.

Their team lose Monday night. All right. So I think.

Don't say that.

What I'm going to do is I'm going to, for the first time ever, I'm going to put three teams in a hat and I'll just pick them out. Is that fair?

Yeah.

So lottery ball.

Oh, lottery ball.

Okay. We do lottery ball. I am not going to pick the Cincinnati Bengals. I believe in Joe Burrow. That'd be disrespectful. Joe Burrow. I think the three teams are the Baltimore Ravens. Yeah. Again, by the way, I just wanted to clear. It's gonna be from the, like, right here up the tip of my pinky.

So are you gonna go to the joint?

No.

Or where's the joint?

Here? No. It's gonna be like half of my nail.

Got it.

Yeah.

But. But also the flesh.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I still don't really know. Yeah. Wherever the bone. I don't. I still don't know. You legally can do this.

Are you gonna take off bone?

I'm gonna not take off bone. Where's the bone start?

I don't think that's possible. I think you would have to take off.

I'm gonna take off some bone.

Because if you take off, just. Does that regenerate?

I don't know.

I don't like talking about this like me.

Just go full line.

Full. No, hank, I'm not go.

No, don't. You can't go full line. But it's a pinky bed. Fucking hurt.

The nail would hurt. Yeah. I will consult the doctor, but it's nothing. I have the right to go half nail up. If I. If a doctor is like, hey, man, just go to the line, or just take the whole thing, I'll just do that. Either way, every year I pick a pinky team. They're not going to win the Super bowl. This team is not going to win the Super Bowl. I believe they're not going to win the Super bowl.

Don't do the Ravens. Don't do the Raven. Why the Ravens can win the Super Bowl.

I don't know if they can.

Their offensive lines bad.

Well, the other two teams.

Well, I was going to do Ravens, Falcons and Rams. What?

Ramps and Ravens would be scary.

You think so?

No, Ramses Ravens is scary.

I mean, the Rams like the. Rachel, you're ass kicked today.

Yeah. Do you? All right, this is. I should just pick the team that I think is not going to win the Super bowl. Yes.

I don't know why you're like, you're right.

Because, well, PFD got in my head. I know the whole point of this was that it's a team I confidently think will never win the Super bowl this year.

The reason I write, the reason I told him you won't when it came to the Ravens. Because the Ravens definitely have a chance to win the Super bowl. Correct.

And I was just, I like, don't want this to happen.

I know it's getting reversed in everyone's head where they want me to definitely win the Super bowl. It's like, no, the whole point of it was that it started with the Texans. That one year where I was like, the Texans aren't winning the Super bowl. Cut off tip my piggy. If they do, then they went on this crazy run and got to the playoffs. But I still was right and I still believed in it.

Think I know big cap pretty well. I'm translating his brain. He does think that the Ravens could win the Super bowl.

Correct. So it would be actually be against what this pick is.

He does not think that the Rams.

I do not think the Rams.

Very sure that the.

I guarantee the Falcons don't win the super.

Just pick the Rams.

I. Rams or Falcons.

But Falcons are not doing. They're not owing to yet.

Yeah, they are.

No, they're not.

Yeah, they're owing to you guys got this.

Max, I hate this.

All right, final, final say, I'm gonna take the Falcons. If the Falcons somehow win this game on Monday night, I have to also have the Rams. That's fair. So you'll have two of took.

So you're, so you're big on the.

Yeah. Eagles.

Phantom are.

Yeah. The Falcons are not winning the Super bowl. Yeah. Like, they're not.

They're the Falcons.

You guys agree?

Well, just because of the fact that they're the Falcons, they could have, you could switch their uniforms with Chiefs and you'd be like, well, no, they're not. When the Super bowl. Because they're the Falcons.

Yeah. Let me look at the ramp schedule real quick.

I could never see the Falcons winning a Super bowl.

Well, you could see them winning a Super bowl. During the Super bowl. No. In, in the process of winning it. When you're up 28, three is one team winning.

Winning in the Super Bowl.

Falcons. Were they at one point? We're winning the Super bowl.

This is really stupid that I do this anyway, because, like, eventually I'm going to have to do this. Yeah. Falcons are not winning the Super bowl. Guaranteed. Falcons are not winning the Super bowl. That's, I believe it end the season.

But if they win on Monday night, then it's.

Then I have to take the Rams.

Yep.

Tip of the pinky. Anything else? Do you have a who's back, Max? Oh, I do want to say who's back of the week? I'm so, so, so excited for playoff baseball.

Yeah.

It's not back yet.

Yeah. But you, I can feel your anxiety, and I'm excited to.

Nothing makes me more anxious than playoff baseball.

I know, because it is. It's the most, I mean, playoff hockey, yes. But playoff baseball, I think, is just a different piece that playoff hockey. Things happen so fast that you can't even register it. Playoff baseball, you just sit there and you're like, well, here we go. Like, another pitch. Another. You just have so much downtime to, like, let it all walk.

Every pitch feels like 20 minutes.

And should we all bet on the Phillies with them?

I bet on the Padres, but I can also sprinkle on the Phillies.

I'm gonna bet on the Phillies with you. Why can't I? Can I do that?

Sure. I mean, Dave's already on the Phillies, so it doesn't matter at this point.

Yeah. All right, maybe I'll just watch. I'll just bet him game to game.

I'm on the pods as well.

You are? Yeah.

Let's go.

So what's the number.

Well, I had that. It's the first time winner from, like.

Oh, I forgot about that.

I put it in forever ago.

But remember, he did that bet. What seemed to win the World Series.

For the first time are the brewers in the playoffs?

Yes.

So brewers, pods to the brewers clinch.

They might have. The Cubs just kept on losing games.

Rockies, mariners, and Rays are not in it.

Correct.

So brewers are pods.

Yeah.

What were the odds on that one?

Plus 900.

All right, good luck.

It's pretty good.

That's gonna be great. That's gonna be fun. Shane, congrats on two. And. Oh, you're the king of the podcast.

Also, Max. Max is to know.

Yeah. Max to know. And I have the falcon.

Stop it.

All right, good show, boys. We'll talk college football on Wednesday.

Numbers nine.

3820. Did you not pick a number yet? Wait, what number did you pick big at?

I haven't. 356.

I don't understand why you keep doing the number thing with me.

I already.

I already won.

Yeah, I don't either. I don't know why. I have no idea. Congrats on the wind, puck.

There's a number. There's a ball up there.

What, uh, what, what.

What number would that have been?

It would have been 83. What, uh, what? Congrats on what win for Pug Eagles. Oh, yeah.

You guys are jerks.

We. It comes from a place of pain. You get that, right? Like it's pain. All right, numbers. Say it again.

329.

56.

20.

Bang.

Damn it.

Like, it does. It really, at this point, podcast is. Oh, I don't really go what to do, you guys, because I'm just a winner. I'm just a winner. I'm specifically just a winner.

Dress, Max.

Yep.

Congratulations, Maxwell.

It.