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Terms okay, let's go. Part of my take welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app use and use code take now that's code take for new customers. Get 250 in bonus bets when you bet just $5 and get one month of NFL plus premium on us. Offer ends 919 only on draftkings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, September 4, and boys, we are a mere hours away from the NFL season kicking off. We're what? If you're listening to this in the morning, we're about 40, 36 hours away. It's back. We're ready.

It's NFL eve.

It's NFL eve, Christmas Eve, New Year's Eve, all rolled up into one. I'm ready.

I'm excited.

I'm so.

I'm too excited. Yeah, I'm too excited. I found that I've been just pulling random people upside and having conversation with them, and they always roll back to, like, Jaden Daniels and I'm always saying the same thing. My analysis of Jay Daniels is identical every time. He's so good.

Yeah.

And that's, that's all I've been talking to people about. And I feel like this is, this is the year it all turns around.

Yeah. And we have the Thursday night game, the Friday night game. Full slate Sunday.

Yeah. A great Monday night night cap.

Yeah. Yeah. Where we might lose a member of the show.

Yeah. Memes. Memes, have you purchased the bomb making supplies just in case?

Not yet.

Okay.

That's probably smart.

That is smart. So we have our Pete Prisco preview. We did our Dan or Lofsky preview yesterday. We got to do a preview of our own. Should we start? Maybe we end with the coaches draft or should we start with the coaches draft? Let's do the coaches draft.

You would do it right off the bat. That was a quick turnaround for starter end.

Yeah. Because I realized that the coach draft is fun and we can, and it helps preview everything. So we're going to do, we did this last year. We drafted every NFL head coach, basically, who you trust, who you, who you believe in. And we'll put, we'll post it. It's not about Rushmore because eight picks each. But it will be a poll that people can vote on at the end and see who has the best eight pack of NFL head coaches. How do we want to start? Who wants to go first? Max, you want to go first?

Sure.

Okay. Pfc. Why don't you go first?

Okay. I'll go first and then we'll go. Are we doing snake?

We're going snake.

Okay. So it'll be me, Max, Hank, big cat. Big cat. Then back.

Yes.

Yes. So this is, this is your number one head coach because you have the first pick.

Number one head coach. Many would say the best coach of all time. Or at least in the conversation.

Yeah.

Andy Reid.

Yes.

Andy Reid.

Good pick.

Great coach. Looks good in shorts.

I do. I. I keep going back to just. Chiefs are going to win it all again.

I think. I feel like this is all leading towards the same conclusion. I'm not going to pick the Chiefs.

I think I'm gonna pick the Chiefs.

I'm gonna. I will end up betting on the Chiefs, but I don't think I'm gonna take the Chiefs.

Yeah. I just, they're, they're. I don't know what, I don't know what's gonna stop them.

It's almost like the more distractions they get in Kansas City, the better they get.

Yeah.

And they have the ability to take all the distractions and actually become more focused.

And the minute you get to the point where you're just saying, oh, well, they're. They're just tired of winning. That's probably why they won't win. That's not a real reason.

Not a real one. No, not at all.

Okay, Max, I am going to go with. This is good that we just were detoxing from Mount Rushmore season by doing a draft.

Yeah, it's totally different.

Yeah, totally different.

Way different. I'm going to go with Jim Harbaugh.

Ooh.

Right off the bat.

Okay. Hasn't coached the NFL in a while, but obviously.

National champion.

Three. Three NFC championships, a Super bowl appearance.

Friend of the program.

Three NFC championship appearances. Yeah, friend of the program. Good friend of the program.

You think he's going to miss having Connor?

He doesn't know him.

I also think there's a chance he could have Connor.

Yeah.

We don't know. We don't know.

Okay, Hank, I'm gonna go with another good friend of the program, Super bowl champion, third longest tenured NFL coach John Harbaugh.

Oh, I thought you were gonna go with a different front of the program. Good pick, good pick. Good pick. I was gonna. I was gonna possibly pick him. All right, so I'll go with the. I'll go with the smart kids in the same division. I'll take Sean McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan back to back. I. Kyle Shanahan. This is a big year for him.

Yeah, it feels like this is. He's got a lot of baggage, a lot of emotional baggage. He's had some tough losses.

If you want, though, you can make the correlation. Andy Reed is one of the greatest coaches of all time for a long time. Andy Reid, Washington. Kyle Shanahan, where he was on the Eagles, could. Had a lot of really good teams. Couldn't get over the hump. Kind of goes back to what I always think is good as the coaches. It's always about the quarterback because he got Patrick Mahomes and Kyle Shanahan. He took Jimmy G. To a Super bowl that actually might be bigger than a Super bowl.

Yeah.

That might be more impressive than a Super bowl. Yeah.

Yeah. I love Kyle Shanahan. Like, I think almost every team, if maybe there might be one or two teams that would take him over their current head coach, if everything was equal that we've already said.

Yeah.

That good.

Yes. But he, you know, if he can, maybe Brock Purdy is the quarterback, but that, that really is. It's funny how it goes down. Like Andy Reid if he just retired after the Eagles, like, yeah, he was. He was a good coach. Never won anything big. And then he has Patrick Holmes in his life, and he starts winning big.

Yep.

Okay, Hank, I'm gonna stick with hard nose football. Mike Tomlin.

Good pick.

Nice pick.

Great pick.

I had him on next to my board.

We're about to fall off a cliff.

I'm gonna go with another vet in the game. Hasn't figured out with this team quite yet, but I think you will. Sean Payton.

Mmm. Okay. All right.

Interesting.

It was a horrible draft for Max.

It's a tough love kind of guy.

Yeah.

Max doesn't really know good coaches.

Yeah. Bad draft. Okay. Pft. Get two.

Okay. I'm gonna go with Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell.

Great coach, good pick.

Love what he's building up there in Detroit.

Yeah, good pick. That's good pick.

And we talk about Dan Campbell with Pete Prisco. I think Pete's wrong about Dan.

Yeah, I do, too.

I think we're right about Dan.

Yes.

Next, I'm gonna go Kevin Stefanski for the show.

Coach the year twice.

I think he's. Is he? Because the coach of the year. It's funny.

It's like Matt Nagy won a coach of the year.

You could give it every year to Bill Belichick when he was in the league or Andy Reidden, but it's usually a guy that makes the playoffs that you don't think is going to make the playoffs.

Two time coach of the year.

Which is funny, because you could also make the same claim that Kevin Stefanski might be underrated as a head coach.

Yeah. I mean, I think he's a very, very good head coach.

Yeah.

Yeah. And it's not bias.

Did he get a dog for his kids yet?

I don't know.

I need to know about that.

Follow up with that. Okay, Maxi.

I will go Mike McDaniel.

Hmm. Okay, what about. What about Mike McDaniel in under 40 degree weather?

That's a. That's word I'm looking for.

You can find it.

A good point.

Yeah, you can find it.

No. Random. They say in the court of law it's random.

That was the word you were looking for.

No, there's.

There's a random abduction.

Erroneous. Does that make. Does that make sense?

A row?

Mike McDaniel, he's got fun offense. He's got a fun offense.

A roni.

And it doesn't end that.

The.

The cold weather doesn't show his actual coaching prowess.

Okay.

Okay. Okay.

This is stressing me out. There's too many names. There's so many names.

Okay.

Hey, I'm gonna go with a guy that they kept around for a reason. He must be good. Matt Iberfluss.

Mmm hmm. Troll pick.

Good.

Pick. A troll pick? Yeah.

What do you mean, yeah?

Okay. Okay. You did there. So you did there.

They kept him around for easy.

He has to be good in the fourth round.

Yeah. If you guys are gonna be winning football.

All right.

Have a good coach.

Relax. Relax. Roll. Troll pick. Okay.

I don't understand how you could be selling yourself so high on the bears, but not be high on the head coach.

Because it's the players. Jimmy's and Joe's, not x's and O's. Ever heard that saying?

So then we should be doing just a fantasy draft.

Big cat's mind. What's happened this offseason is Matty brief. Luca said I'm only going to do defense.

Yeah.

And that's it.

Yeah. Shane Waldron's got the offense.

They're going to do any offense. Game management. I don't know who's going to take over in that department.

You won't even manage.

He'll have figured it out this offseason.

Yeah, I got. I have question marks. There's question marks? We'll find out. We'll find out. Hey, listen, I wanted Jim Harbaugh. I recruited Jim Harbaugh. My recruiting fell short. All right, let's go with Matt Lafleur, friend of the program and a guy I'm very high on. D'amico Ryan's.

I had both those guys. Yeah.

Yes. I'm going with the young guns.

Okay. I like that.

A lot of the young guns. Hank, this is where we fall off a cliff.

I don't think so. I've been sold a lot on this guy.

Oh.

I was saying more just in the fact that we can't remember who we picked.

Oh, yeah. This is another guy, big expectations. He's a veteran in the league. Dan Quinn.

Okay.

Oh, yeah.

So Matty Brufu is better coach than Dan Quinn, though.

Yeah.

Yeah. Cause you picked him early.

Turn your hat backwards when you say that. What do you like about Dan Quinn?

Defensive, hard nose, gritty. He's gonna get the players going.

Yeah, he.

Great offense.

Great offense.

To a Super bowl.

Went to a Super bowl.

Uh huh.

Had a. Had a 25 point lead in a Super bowl.

Gets.

Yeah.

One of the best teams of all time.

That's very hard to do.

Yeah, it is. How many? Kind of like Kyle Shannon taking Jimmy G. Those actually should be Super bowl.

How many teams and those two guys are not related whatsoever in the Super Bowl? Dan. Kyle Shanahan.

Not at all.

With Dan Quinn building that 25 point lead against one of the greatest teams ever and the greatest player ever, that should actually count as two Super Bowls.

Two Super Bowls.

That's so hard to do. Multi, multi time Super bowl winning coach Dan Quinn kind of.

Max is in the booth. He's taken off his shoes and socks to try to count to ten here.

It's stressful. There's a lot going on.

Every time I look up, freaking out.

Well, there's so many names. I thought we were just going to do four and then all the names really just got. It got to me. I'm going to get ahead of hanks. Troll picks.

I'll go Nick Sirianni. You blocked the troll. How are you feeling about Nick Sirianni?

All in? He's going to be a leader of men this year. We got good guys around him. This is the year. This is the year that he gets it done.

It's actually funny because leader men this year, the five in past years.

Last year, he didn't do a great job leading men, but leading men. But this year he's back leading men.

What's the most important part about leading a Mandev?

Hmm.

Just showing a good example of what it's like to be a man.

Okay.

Such as?

So would you say Dom is the head coach then?

No, but having a good guy like that by your side shows that you know good guys to be around.

But if you have Dom next to you, everyone's gonna look and they're like, hey, there's Nick Sirianni. Dom, that's a man. That's a. Whatever it is, it's a team game.

It's not one person. It's just like showing a good surrounding in the organization of leadership. And Nick Sirianni's at the head of that. Not Dom's right there. He's always next to him.

Yeah.

So, like, when you're looking at Sirianna, you're also looking at Dom, but also with Nixon.

You can't look at Nick Sirianni without looking at Doc.

He's always there.

But Nick Sirianni can't be a man without a real man behind.

Correct.

It's like, oh, I have to have my dad follows me around in case I get into any trouble.

Nick Sirianni is basically one of those TikTokers that goes to the mall and tries to fight people and then their security guard steps in.

It's like, robin, big.

Yeah.

No, but it takes good leadership to know that good leaders need a bodyguard.

At all times, right?

Yep.

It takes someone who's very honest about them, not themselves, not being a man, to admit they thought what I said.

That's not what I said.

Okay, I'm gonna go with Big Dom. Okay, next, I'm gonna go with Big Dom. And then I will take.

Are we allowing big.

No, we're not allowed to.

We should. Okay, I'll take. I'm gonna go with Zach Taylor.

Hmm. People forget.

People forget about Zach Taylor. I think he's a very good coach.

I do, too.

He kind of flies under the radar in Cincinnati a little bit, and he did a good job without Joe Burrow.

Yeah.

When he was hurt.

Yeah.

I think he's a very good coach. Next up, I'm gonna go with Doug Peterson.

Super Bowl.

Super bowl winner. He won a Super bowl. Yeah. A lot of people say that it couldn't be done in Philly. Doug Peterson did it.

Super bowl winner. Good.

Now that's good.

Then they ran him out of town.

Yeah.

No, shouldn't have. A good guy. I'm gonna go with Shane Steichen.

Ah, good pick.

That's a good pick.

Good pick. Good pick.

Has anyone taken Antonio Pierce? No, and I will do that. Good pick under the program.

Okay.

Those boys fired up.

Okay. I will go with. No, I don't want him. Oh. I'll go with the newcomer. We don't know what he is yet, but if we're basing it off of his defense last year, I think he's going to be a very good head coach. I'll take Mike McDonald.

Yep.

Seattle Seahawks head coach. I think he is going to be a very good head coach. And then I will also take. This is where we. Yeah. I'm lost. Oh, you know what? Friend of the program. Yeah. Some of the seasons haven't gone very well at the end, but he's got his team competing every single year for AFC east championships. Sean McDermott.

Good pick.

They've won four AFC east champions. Yeah.

And if you. If you look at what the Bills were before McDermott, compared to with him, obviously Josh Allen made a big difference, too, but he's. He's done a good job. When he's not making 911 references, he's.

73 and 41 as a head coach.

Yeah.

That's pretty damn good. In the NFL, in the National Football League.

I will go with a newcomer, newcomer unknown. But based on his defense last year, I think he's going to be good. Jared, mail.

Oh, okay.

Nice. You got all the guys. Nice.

Good pick. Could help but notice that you took Antonio Pierce before Mayo.

Mm hmm. And Matt Iberfluss and Dan Quinn.

Yeah. What's interesting about Pierce's Pierce?

Well, Matt Eberfluss is kept him around for a reason. And you know that went to a Super Bowl.

I hate you so much.

And you know, you know that Antonio.

Antonio Pierce came on the show. If Mayo came on the show, I would have taken him before.

Well, Antonio Pierce is such. He was such a good player that he beat maybe the best team of all time in the Super bowl. You remember that?

Mm hmm.

I do.

He did be probably the best team of all time in Super bowl.

Well, that means they're actually not the best team of all time.

Yeah.

Okay, Max, this is where I stand that I screwed something up. Someone picked Kevin O'Connell, right? No, got him on.

I had him on my good pick. I think he's a very good coach.

Don't we all have every person on our list?

Yeah, I'm actually looking at just the Wikipedia of list current NFL quarterback coaches.

We have one our list.

I freaked out. I just started writing everyone's name down. I've been crossing things. I'm like Charlie in from always sunny right now with this list.

You're like memento.

It's. Yeah, I'm flustered.

Kevin O'Connell's a good coach.

Yeah.

And I think if Sam Donald. This is going to be the year seven year bump.

We spaced on Kevin O'Connell.

Yeah. That's all that I did have. I was looking at his name, but Sean McDermott has done more in the NFL. Okay. Pft, you have two picks.

I get two picks now and then.

We'Re getting to the end and.

Yeah, we are getting to the end in right now.

There's a big, fat elephant in the room.

I know. And I don't want to take. I'm going to go with Raheem Morris. Okay, Falcons. I think the Falcons are going to be spicy. He had a 25 point lead in the Super bowl against the New England Patriots at one point.

Yes.

People forget that.

Yes, that's true.

So I'm going to take him and then I'm going to go. We're going to go with Brian Callahan.

Nice. I like Brian Callahan also awl.

Is he really?

Yes.

I like Brian callahan. Callahan a lot. Obviously hasn't done anything as a head coach yet, but it's him. You get him and his dad.

Yeah.

As a package deal.

Both.

Callahan's big. Big tom, little Brian. I don't know. His dad's probably not tom callahan. No, it's tommy boy. I'm thinking of the board. But his dad is maybe the best offensive line coach in the NFL.

Yeah, that's a fact. That's a fact. Okay. There's like three names that I don't want to pick that I'm just hoping I can play it correctly.

Just, just hold your breath.

Yeah.

Yeah. I'm gonna go with Jonathan Gannon. He was underratedly not that bad last year.

Okay.

Yeah. I actually am high on the Cardinals offense this year. I think it's gonna be fun. Watch. Very fun. Watch. Hank.

Listen, fellas, winning a Super bowl in this league is tough.

Oh, he's doing it.

You need someone with Super Bowl Cowboys stands up. You need someone that's had that experience. He's gonna, you know, get the boys through, through the long playoff run. Mike McCarthy, long playoff run.

Good.

I don't think he's ever been on a long run.

Long, long playoff run. Okay. This is fun.

How are you guys doing this without crossing names out?

Cuz I'm just looking at who we were doing it.

But how do you just remember listening?

All right, I'm gonna some guys that.

We don't want to take.

Yeah.

We're just hoping that somebody else takes them.

I'm gonna pick one of probably the most vocal, boisterous guys out there. Leader of men. Todd Bowles. Todd Bowles. Back to back NFC south championships. Anyone?

Yeah. Todd Bowles. One of the, he used to be one of the top ten coaches in the league.

Yeah, he did. He used to be. And then, you know what? I'll do it just for memesy. I'll take Robert Salah. Robert Salah, bald head. I think Robert Salah would have been fired if he didn't have a bald head.

You think if he had hair?

I think if he had hair, he would have already been fired. I think the bald head, you just see it. It's like power. Is it too shiny? Bald? Yeah. I just think there's something about him, the aura. Yeah.

I think that you've noticed this in the offseason with Salah. He's, he's had it. He's like sick of talking to people.

Yeah.

Everything.

Yeah. This is, he's got a, he's got a win for his own mental health, like, which I like a yddeh coach backed in the corner.

Yeah. He's definitely in that fight or flight right now. And it seems like everything that's been going on with the team has been nothing to do with actual football. And so he is probably just. He's wishing that somebody would ask him a question. He's missing the days about answering relentless questions about Zach Wilson. He misses that.

Yeah.

Sick of talking about where his quarterback going to Egypt and a guy that's on the team that's not on the team. He just wants to be able to, like, get mad at the media for treating his quarterback unfairly.

Yes, I'd agree to. Okay, Hank, last round.

I think there's a better bald headed coach in New York with championship experience. Brian Dable.

Okay.

You see, Brian Dable is taking back play calling responsibilities this year.

Oh.

Just announced that. I don't know if this was a thing that happened earlier in the offseason they agreed on or if it was like the preseason sucked. So I'm. That would be a panic move if they flipped it up right now. But, yeah, he's back calling plays, which is, if you look at the trajectory, I'm not saying he's going to be fired. I like Brian Dable, but the trajectory of a coach who's on his way to being fired, it does involve the play calling duties going back and forth.

Yeah. Brian Dabel has six rings. Pretty crazy stud. Five Super Bowls, and the college football national champion for Alabama in 2017. Student Brian Dable should remake the MJ picture with his rings. Be cool. Okay, there's two left.

I'm going to go with Dave Canales.

Pft. Got the stinky one.

I watched a clip of him on X yesterday talking about whether he was gonna go with a bell cow approach or a committee approach at running. And that's what I. That's what I got on him.

That's.

That's literally, that was the first time I'd seen the man's face, and I'd be like, who's this guy? And then I was like, oh, this.

Is Panthers and the cookbook.

Yeah, the cookbook. He wrote a book about cheating on his wife.

Mm hmm.

Yep.

Love it. We actually should do.

Wait, don't love it.

You don't.

Well, no.

You don't love him apologizing for cheating on his wife.

It was apology book.

Oh, love it.

Yeah. It wasn't like, oh, dude, my wife doesn't even know I'm writing this book.

Yeah, I read the first chapter of it, which was like, listen, I fell asleep, and when I woke up, I was in my wife's friend's bed, and I don't. Don't know how it happened.

Fake. Fake news. I can. That doesn't mean cheating.

So we're taking Dave Canales over Dennis Allen? Be honest. Did you forget about Dennis Allen, Max?

No, I saw. I had him on here. I just. I honestly saw that he was a coach for five years of the saints and I, like, didn't even know that. Yeah, he's just kind of like a big nothing guy.

Oh, he's nothing.

He's got no picture on Wikipedia.

He's been.

Crazy.

Yeah, he's. He's a total nothing.

Can you imagine living in New Orleans for five years and not doing anything noteworthy at all?

It's crazy. He's just. And his name is boring, too. Yeah, it's two first names. So I go, yeah, Dennis Allen. Like, if you pulled a hundred people, I think. I think the majority would still say Sean Payton.

You think so?

Yeah. If you did, like, one of those drunk Nashville videos.

Yeah. It just kind of seems like they've been ten guys in New Orleans making the decisions, and then Allen is just the guy that stands on the sidelines nodding his head.

Yeah. Figurehead. Okay. That was a good draft.

Yeah.

Got me pumped up for the season.

I'm very excited. I'm going to read this Dave Canales book.

Yeah. All right, so what else do we want to do? Any other predictions?

Book report? I'll do a book report on it.

I like the idea. Pft. We should do. We should do a round of just what is. What's the worst thing that could happen.

Yeah.

For each of us. Do we want to do that? Scary.

Yeah.

Confront your fears, though.

Or should we do it for each other?

You want me to start?

What if Hank just says it?

Yeah.

Do it for all hater Hank. Yeah. No, no, Hank, you're good at this.

Most devastating thing that happened to us as a fan.

Oh, no. You guys know you guys have to do it for yourselves. Look within. Look within yourself. You just want it. You want to get mad at me, but you need to look deep within and face your irrational fears that you guys have set upon yourselves for the season. I'll start. Pft. Alluded to it. I think the worst case scenario for the Patriots this year is eight wins.

Oh, you motherfucker. That was such a tricky thing you did. Oh, you played it well. You played that well.

It would be. That would be like, I'm going to the season. We're trying to. We got to rebuild. If you're going to rebuild, you guys know, you can recalibrate starts. It starts with the draft.

I'm recalibrating.

Eight wins. One get us to the playoffs and won't get us a good draft position. It would just be a little bit of a. Too much of a tease, actually.

That's, that's not a bad point, except you are, you are rebuilding and you've got a young quarterback. But going eight, nine, when you have, like, an established quarterback, that's the worst thing that can happen.

What about nine wins?

It's still not playoffs.

What about ten wins?

If we make it to the playoffs, make it to the playoffs, and then anything can happen.

Right.

You get in the dance.

Right.

So eight wins. It was good pick. It's a good pick. Pft.

I'm gonna say the stadium falling apart and critically injuring Jaden Daniels.

Hmm.

That's like having shit come out of the showers and him getting MSRA, MRSA, whatever. It is. Both. Both realistic things that could happen at FedEx Field. Excuse me. Northwest Federal Credit Union field.

Mm hmm.

Northwest. They're calling it the fed, which I think is a kind of a shitty nickname, but whatever.

Yeah. All right. The worst thing could happen for me. I don't think it's as easy as being like, oh, Caleb Williams is not the guy I think it would be. Back on the roller coaster. Very up and down. And then week 18, chance to make the playoffs against the packers, and he does his nails and then, like, epically lose. And Jordan love goes and wins the Super bowl. Yeah, that would be it. That'd be pretty bad. That'd be pretty bad. That would be, yeah. But, like, not, not like, oh, he's just bad. It's like the roller coaster of back and forth where it's like, there's just more bad than good.

Some fields, if the defense keeps you.

In games and, like, Caleb doesn't really sound a ton.

Yeah. And then that. Yeah, that week 18 scenario would be a nightmare. Like the packers, maybe it's week 18. The Lions have already clinched the, the NFC north. So it's week 18 for the last wild card spot, and then the packers get it and go on a run and win the Super bowl.

Or what if with our wild card spot, what if the Steelers go on a run with Justin Fields?

I'm rooting. Well, I want Justin Fields to play because then our draft pick gets better.

Yeah, but if this, if Justin Fields won a Super bowl with the Steelers, how would you feel about that?

I'd be happy for Justin.

I don't think that's.

I'd be very happy. Justin. I'd be very happy for Justin. I'd be extremely happy for Justin.

I don't think you. That might actually make you log off.

I'd be happy for Justin.

I think you.

I love. There's two things about me. Two things about me. I love Justin Fields. Mm hmm. I love bend the dog. Two things.

Yeah.

You can put those two in the back.

I think you would log off. I think you would actually intent. You wouldn't know.

No, no, no.

Even do the fake hack thing.

You would.

And you would seek out a scheme. Get hacked on purpose.

The first one is worse than the second one. Justin Fields winning Super bowl would hurt way less than Jordan. Love taking the Bears playoff spot and then winning a Super bowl.

Yeah.

That would be way more painful. Way, way more painful. Justin Fields would hurt, but I would just be like. I would do that. I'd be the meme with the smiley face, crying behind it and being like, I love Justin Fields. He's. He's a great dude. I'm so happy for him. That's what I would say over and over until I had a nervous breakdown. Max.

We don't actually believe that these things.

No, it's the worst thing that could happen for you.

I think it's simply, if Jalen hurts. Can't have another bad year.

Yeah.

He has to have a good year.

Yeah.

You think, would it be worse if he had, like, an average year, a.

Good year, losing the Super bowl or have a bad.

That's what I'm saying. Or he gets the Super bowl, and I. You lose again.

Right now, I'm gonna say losing the Super bowl. Cause then it's like, all right, now. You know, like, he got to the Super bowl twice. He's a Super bowl.

Then. Then he becomes, can't win the big.

One, but can't win the big one's not a terrible spot to be.

It's pretty bad. Ask him. Moreno that.

Ask Peyton Manning that.

Yeah, but then he won a big one. Yeah.

Correct.

But what.

Year?

But what if he could never win.

The biggest phase of his career where he couldn't win the big one, but.

That'S not worse than him, like, playing badly, and then you're like, oh, shit, this was our guy that we have. Because he's going to play well enough that you're not going to be in a rebuilding situation. Like, he needs to be good enough to win that. Win a Super bowl.

Okay. This is. I mean, this is a big year for this podcast in football.

Yeah.

Outside of Hank, I think this is a huge.

For the Eagles. It's it's like a make or break year. Like, if they get.

No, it's. Yeah, it is a make or break year.

Like, at least your two teams, it's like you have young. Oh, I mean, hey, me Hanks team fucking sucks. But, like, your two teams, at least, it's like, okay, we're moving in the right direction.

Yeah.

Like, the Eagles could just take it. I.

This is.

I don't think this is gonna happen. But we're talking worst case scenario. Like, it could.

It could.

It could be bad of, like, going in the wrong direction.

This could be a bad year in Philadelphia if.

I don't think it's gonna happen. But it's. But it's possible, and it scares me, Hank, you're. You're going nowhere.

That's fine. Going to the top of the draft, just won an NBA championship, six Super Bowls, for chilling.

The funny thing is that no matter how bad things get, I think memes has the most rock bottom, worst case scenario by far. I mean, he become a terrorist.

Mm hmm. Yeah. Memes, outside of having to kill yourself with a suicide vest, what's the worst thing that could happen this year?

Just him getting hurt at all? Because I think even if he sucks, it's better than watching Tim Boyle. That season. Last year was the worst season of all time.

Tyrone, do you know what the craziest thing about, like, and it's the eve of the NFL season, the craziest thing that can be said right now for this podcast, because you know what me and pft think about our guys. You know, Max is very excited. He thinks what happened the end of last year is not going to happen again.

I don't know that Max is excited, though.

I think he's excited.

I think he's. I think he's nervous.

He might be nervous.

I think he's got nerves going in this season.

But the craziest thing I. I think memes is by far and away the most confident person in his team. And his team is the New York jets.

Yeah.

Is that fair to say? Yeah.

I mean, the roster's loaded.

He means is like, this is going to be an incredible team. Yeah.

I mean, it doesn't.

He might be right.

It doesn't sound good, though, saying the worst possible scenario is that if Aaron Rodgers gets hurt at all because he's 40 years old, basically 41 and almost 42, just banking on, on him not ever getting hurt. Seems like you're ahead. You're setting yourself up for devastation.

No, he's not. He's just not gonna get hurt.

Memes is the wildest fan at, like, memes always thinks, best case scenario at all. Like, he tells me every single day that the Mets are gonna win the NLE's.

They could still come back.

Mm hmm. To win the NLe's.

Yes.

They play the Phillies seven times. They're down.

They doubt. Seven and a half.

Yeah.

Okay. So he's gonna win all of them.

Yep.

Okay. All right. Anything else before we do hot seat, cool throne? Do you want to go Super bowl winners?

Want to do MVP's?

I have Matt. Matt Stafford. It's off the board. I mean, it's not off the board, but it's. It's a little bit of a dark horse.

I got Jared golf.

I like that.

So do I. I got Jared Goff. So here's a fun set about Jared Goff. 14 out of his 17 games are in a dome.

Mm hmm. He's a lot of dome.

Dome. He loves dome. It's gonna be dome fest.

Yeah, he's. I like that picked. I like that pick.

And what are his odds? I think they're like 25 to one, something like that. 30 to one.

Yeah. He only has like three bad weather gate. Or maybe it's two bad weather games is one of the third.

I can got the two NFC north games.

Right. And they're later in the season. I can't remember what the other outdoor game was, but, yeah. And if they, you know, if they, if they're the number one seed, you just play the whole season in dome, which we. Awesome for our friend Jared. They had. He has. Oh, yeah. The other. So the third outdoor game is against the 49 ers.

So that was not bad at all.

Yeah. Yeah. He plays the Bears in December, late December. And he plays the packers in early December.

I got some fun to be.

Sorry. Actually, the packers are in early November, so that might not even be bad weather either.

So I was thinking about comeback player of the year. Right. Because it feels like go. If you'd asked me, like, three weeks ago, felt like Aaron Rodgers, seems like he would be the shoe in for comeback player of the year. Now we've got a couple wild cards. Ricky Pearsall from the 49 ers.

Yup.

Got shot during an attempted robbery in San Francisco. Got the gun from the guy, shot the guy that was trying to rob him.

He got shot through the chest, got.

Shot through the chest, and then shot the robber. And he goes to the hospital. He's out 24 hours later. The next day, he's at the facility working out.

Shot through the chest. I don't even understand that.

It doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, that's like, that seems like a comeback player.

Seems like he's a dog.

Yeah.

Seems like he's a dog. And then I was reminded that tank Dell also got shot this offseason and he's fine. So now you've got two guys who got shot battling for comeback player of the year. Potentially a wide receiver, but Pierce hall got shot through the chest and he shot the guy that shot him.

What about a couple other, like, what about Kirk Cousins?

Kirk Cousins.

Joe Burrow.

Joe Burrow.

There's a lot of guys backfield. Yeah. When we had a lot of injuries last year. Anthony Richardson.

If Anthony Richardson gets hurt this season and I want him to, and Flacco gets in and goes on a run, could Flacco win back to back comeback players of the year?

I think he could. Tamar Hamlin could.

Yeah. Still coming back from the punt.

Yeah. I mean, we lost so many, we lost so many quarterbacks last year that there's, this is a Stack, stack field. Yeah. I mean, Justin Herbert. Could he, why not?

Yeah.

Comeback player of the year. I'm looking right now, Sam Donald's was, oh, Nick Chubb. Nick.

Nick Chubb probably won't be back until like midway through the season.

I heard different reports.

You heard.

Heard. I heard from an insider, careful hipaa be because I drafted him in the fantasy league that he's the commissioner of. But I heard that Nick Chubb, if they could have, he could have played as early as week one with a few touches.

Okay.

But they want, they thought it'd be safer just to put him on the pup.

So your inside information is that he feels good.

Could play right now?

Could play right now?

Right now. Report it.

A couple touches.

Could play right now? Right now. Like right this second. If we're like, hey, Nick Chubb, carry this football. Done.

Yeah. So I'm still gonna go with the gunshot, guys.

Yeah.

I feel like, I feel like Ricky, that's just a crazy story.

Crazy. And he's a rookie, so he just has to have like a average rookie season to be comeback player. So. Yeah.

Can you come back? Can you get comeback player of the year as a rookie?

I don't, I don't know.

I think you can if you're coming back from being shot in the chest.

Yeah, I think so. I think so. He got shot through the chest. Through the chest. All right. What's your Super bowl picks? I have Chiefs over lions.

I got lines over Chiefs.

Oh, like that. I'd much prefer that.

Eagles over Chiefs.

Oh, little revenge.

It'll be the same story arc.

Is same story arc. The Eagles page tickets. Two tickets that you.

No, that story arc.

Oh, no, no, no, no. If the Eagles are in the Super bowl, we're doing the same deal. You're gonna get drunk the night before. You're gonna drink champagne, you're gonna wear the pants. We're gonna make fun of you. We're gonna throw your phone in the water, you're gonna puke. We're literally just gonna play it back. People love the first version.

I think the city of Philadelphia would legitimately murder. I think. I think they would assassin.

We made him put on the pants.

I mean, but what a, what a story that would be. It's like Max has the opportunity to either win a Super bowl or probably get killed.

Yeah, that's a, that's a high stakes story. Hank, you're a super.

I kind of had what pft had, so I don't want to copy it. I'll think of best case content for this show. Bills losing to the packers.

Oh, you.

Why, why is that best case?

He know, because he's just, he's, listen, there's, there's a theme. Hanks had it out for me this week. I think what it is is as soon as Hank has, is blaming the end of summer on me. I think that's what it is.

That's a fact. That's the best. I don't mad Eber flu season was quincy. I just happened to be walking.

You're. I I am now. Iber flu being held accountable for, for the calendar changing. I think that's what's happening.

I don't think the bears, like the best case, obviously, would be the bears or the commanders making the Super Bowl. I don't think they're there yet.

Okay.

Couple years away.

Dan Quinn and Matty birth.

Yeah. We kept them around for a reason. Right.

But I don't think a rookie QB, that'd be impressive, but I don't think it's gonna happen this year. So for the content sake of the show, I guess Eagles losing. Who would be good for the Eagles to lose to? Eagles losing to the bills would be great.

What about Eagles losing to the jets?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That would be the two. I mean, we would all have to go to the Super bowl with them.

Yeah.

And just sit there and just watch them.

That would get awkward.

What do you mean?

I I don't. I like, it would get uncomfortable in the booth. Yeah.

Yeah. It'll be great. Holy shit. We would just flip. We'd flip all the cameras for, like, a couple weeks afterwards where the show is. Like, we're just sitting here. We're the booth, and you guys are the show. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

That's.

What a pick. Okay, memes, what's your pick?

Jets, Eagles.

Okay, great. That. That's such a good pick. You guys are uncomfortable right now thinking about it.

Yeah, I'm a little bit uncomfortable, too, because I. You know what Max would do to memes?

What?

It'd be bad.

No, I think me now. Memes would make. Memes would make me angrier or.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

And then you do something bad.

We'd probably fight.

Yeah. It would get. It would get bad.

It would get physical. Max, you know, it would be awkward. I'm gonna say right now I don't have the power to do this, but I'll talk to Dave. I think that if the jets and Eagles play in the Super Bowl, I think physicality is allowed. Like, we'll just. We'll just rip up the contracts in, like, a one week. Like, if one of you punches the other person that no repercussions physicalities allow.

Or they have to watch the Super bowl with giant inflatable boxing gloves.

Yeah.

At all times, or. No. Like, they grease up the light poles in Philly will just grease memes up. So you can't really get a good.

Yeah. I mean, it would be a good story for the show, where it's just like. Yeah. Remember when the Eagles and Jets played in the Super bowl and memes and Max got in a fist fight?

How would be no good? I would be.

I want to see you guys fight so bad.

I mean.

No good.

All right, do we want to do least improved player?

Yeah. Least improved player.

Dak.

I like that.

I just don't think it's. It's not gonna be any different.

May.

He's gonna be fine.

Make a. Make a graphic for our whole show.

Least approved player. Part of my take.

Dak. Prescott. Prescott. Yes. Perfect. We have five votes.

Yeah, he's. I mean, I'm not. I'm not saying he's gonna have a bad season.

No. He's just not gonna improve at all. Yeah.

Unanimous on the ground.

Yeah.

Hank, do you agree?

I was thinking Jillian hurts, but I'm fine with unanimous.

Okay.

Jill hurts. Oh, yeah.

Ruined unanimous.

He had myself with it.

He had my second place vote.

Yeah. All right, let's do hot seat, cool throw, and then we'll get to our interviews. We got more football with Pete Prisco and then an awesome interview with Forrest Gallant. Hot sea cool throw and presented by Coors Light. Fans of even the biggest rivals agree on one thing. Mountain cold refreshment of Coors light. When rivalries start to heat up this season, choose chill and reach for Coors light to keep things cool. Rivalry getting a little overheated? Choose chill with Coors light. When you're looking to keep it chill, there's only one beer to choose. To choose Coors light. The mountains in the bottles and cans. Even turn blue when the beer is cold. So you know when your mountain cold refreshment is ready for you to choose chill. When things heat up, choose chill and then open up a Coors light. Even the biggest rivalries agree. When it's time to choose chill or cool things down and enjoy the game, you choose chill and reach for a Coors light. Jets eagles new rivalry just created in the booth. Get Coors light delivered straight to your door with Instacart or go puff by going to Coors light.com. take celebrate responsibly.

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My hot seat is the USC trojans.

Oh.

College football is back. College football hype videos are back.

Yes.

And USC posted a video before their game where they were in a trojan horse.

Mm hmm.

But USC was inside the trojan horse. But the trojan horse story is how the Greeks use the trojan horse to defeat the Trojans.

To defeat the Trojans. Yeah, I got you. But they're taking it back.

So USC did a video where the trojans were in a trojan horse going.

To defeat the Greeks.

Greeks.

Or Notre Dame or whoever was, but they didn't.

LSU.

LSU. Demi can, college football expert.

Yeah, that's, I mean, that's interesting, but it's like they learned from their mistake, so now they developed it as their own weapon.

Yeah, but why would you, why would, why would the Trojans deliver a tro? Like, who wants a trojan gift if you're not a trojan?

True. Yeah.

If you brought the Greeks a bunch of, like, a trojan horse, they'd be like, we've got, like, seven trojan horses back there. We use one in each war. Yeah, we know this trick.

Yeah.

Yeah, that, that's the dumbest prank to ever succeed, isn't it?

Yeah. Yeah.

I'll take this giant horse for some reason that you're dropping.

Oh, yeah. I want this horse in my house.

I'll put it right in the middle of our town.

Makes no sense.

And then we're all gonna get drunk and celebrate and pass out around the horse like burning man.

Yeah, they're the Trojans. Deserve to lose that one.

Yeah, they got the wool pulled over their eyes. I also. I thought for a long time that the Statue of Liberty was a trojan horse from France, and I think that they just didn't find the exit. So there's, like, thousands of dead french skeletons.

And I like that idea. Yeah, I think that might be true. You might be on something.

I think so.

Are you cool thrown?

My cool throws us open. Oh, we do talk a lot about how bad some sports are set up. I like the way the US Open is set up, where they do it at the end of last week going into Labor Day. It's on during Labor Day, but it's not the big matches. So it's like you can watch as you're going, and then it ramps up like, it's on today, it's on tomorrow, it's on Thursday. And the big matches are this weekend.

Yeah. By the way, we good, though?

The little wean off of. Yeah, like, there's tennis on all day.

The. They do play during college football Saturday, which I know you don't care about, but that is the final for the women's. So, like, you're trying to watch Kent State Pittsburgh, and they're just. That's crazy. Also, correction from Tuesday show. The FedEx cup championship.

Yeah.

Actually was a week late this year because of the Olympics, so it is usually a week before.

Smart. Smart.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah. Emma Navarro is in the semifinals. The American. You remember her? She took that selfie with LeBron at the Olympics. Smiling through it all. Can't believe this is my life with LeBron. I think she's one of the two billionaires that we've got. It's her and then the daughter or the granddaughter. The bills owner. We've got them. Just the richest people that play tennis for us. In your face, world.

Yeah. Okay. Good job, Hank. Thanks.

My hot seat is Mister Pear. Mister Pears on the hot seat. We're starting NFL season. He's going to be making pics.

He's going to be making pics.

Making pics. Memes. We got Mister Pear ready to go.

Yes, he's ready to go. Still alive.

Okay. Still alive and still healthy, as our wildlife expert Forrest Galant informed us of.

However, we were gonna not say it.

I think we gotta say it.

No, we were gonna wait until he stunk and then say it so that we have an outlandish.

But we know, but we were going on the video, it's for scalant but.

As we were, we were, is there.

A video that was, that was after.

Yeah, we were gonna camera, we're gonna wait. And if he sucks, we were gonna then be like, oh, whoops, it's a girl.

Yeah. So Mister Pear is a girl.

Yeah, we should, we should wait. We need it. We need. Okay, we need it.

We won't say it. We won't say that. Right?

Say Mister Pear because. And just say we're gonna do. Yeah, just say, just do it again and just say, we're just gonna do pics with Mister Pearland I because we were thinking about it and like if he's like, oh and five then we are like, oh, actually it's a girl. That's our fault. He was not comfortable in his own skin. Now he's gonna win.

Okay, but on the video that we have for scalant saying, what do you know? There's a video for school on out. No, I don't think so, memes. It hasn't gone out yet, right?

I don't know yet.

Okay, so we just, so we just don't put it out.

Yeah, we just wait. We just wait. We gotta. We got it. Cuz he might suck and then we got it. We got to save it for him.

Okay.

Yeah, just do Mister Pear and say we're going to have picks. He's going to pick Thursday night.

Okay. Hot seat is Mister pear. Mister Pear the turtle on the hot seat. This is really the first test for Mister pear big time. He kind of wet his beak a little bit or whatever turtles have during NBA season, NHL season. But this is when it counts. This is when legends are made. This is when Larry the goldfish became a legend. And Mister pear is mean. He's gonna be front and center every Thursday night. Right, memes?

Front and center. I have to buy a new wood box. That'll be my project tomorrow.

Okay.

Make the pixel.

Okay.

What? What? Mister Pear has to hit what? For us to be like a success.

I say 60%.

60%. 60. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, that's, that's for him to be like a legend.

You're right, you're right.

56%. You get your money back. Yeah, 4%. 56 depending on what the.

No, 52 and a half.

52 and a half.

Yeah, but he. Yeah, he's got it. You're right. Because he's up against Larry.

And Larry was what, like 60?

I think he was 60. Hank has a tattoo. Do you have the pics? Oh, it's gone. That's right.

Would you get a mister pear tattoo if he went 65%?

I would.

Yeah.

We go, 65% match what I think is 59. 34 and two or 58. 34 and two.

You had it. You had it on your leg.

I know it's one of those 59 and 58.

Okay. I think it was 59, but, yeah, Mister Pears guys were cut out form, so he's getting new box. How. What's this setup gonna look like? Memes.

So it think his home now, except everything's gonna be removed. I'll put some hay in it.

And then to be, like, a dude's apartment where you're like, every guy wants this, and it's just a chair and NFL red zone.

Yeah, random dude.

And then we'll pull up the wood, and then he goes, you guys never.

Had a random dude stay over in your apartment?

I've always known who the dude was.

I've woken up several times to a random dude in my apartment.

I also means meme. Just keeps buying tvs, and he doesn't have any tv stands, and he doesn't hang them.

Oh, come on.

What?

Yes.

Every week, he tells me, buys another tv, and then he. I'm like, where do. They're on the floor.

They're on the floor.

So what?

I need to see a picture. Won't show me a picture of the living room picture.

Memes. What do you.

How many tvs you got? Memes?

There's four in my living room.

And then none of them are on stand.

What? There's one on a stand. It's a nice setup.

And what are the other three?

They're all the same size.

Okay, that is nice.

Okay, but where are the other three?

On the floor means, are they all the same brand?

The same brand.

Okay, that's good. Yeah.

Mister pears on the hot seat, for sure.

How do you. How do you manage that? You have DirecTV, or how do you get, like, multiple games on at once?

I have YouTube TV.

Yeah. Are you. Are you doing. Are you addicted to tvs?

I think so. I just want to watch every game.

But, you know, you don't watch. You can watch it with YouTube TV. You can watch four games on one.

Yeah, but just doesn't look the same.

Okay, true.

I mean, you have a thousand.

I have. I'm not. Listen. But they're all in their correct place. I don't have them on the ground. You're right. I shouldn't judge. I was watching nine games on Saturday was awesome.

I kind of love that, though. I love the freedom of having an apartment where you just put your tvs on.

Yeah, I just sent it.

Oh, my God, memes, this is ridiculous. What does your girlfriend think I don't have? Oh, no way.

This isn't bad. There's stands, there's little stands.

That's the most single guy apartment ever. Oh, I am jealous. Memes, that's all that you live in the life. Just sitting there. Gonna put it in the.

In the video, you're sitting, like, on a lawn chair, too.

I'm sitting on my beanbag chair, yeah.

And I love. I love the presentation, too, because it feels like you're. You're recreating, like a cinema pug.

Make sure you put this in the video so people can watch it when they're watching the episode.

Perfectly symmetrical.

All right, so Mister Pearson Oddsy and memes has an addiction to tvs. I want you to get memes. I might fund you to just get. I might fund your tv addiction if you promise to never hang any of them.

They all have to be on.

I want to see. I want to see, like, nine tvs on the floor. Nine.

Nine.

Yeah, you get a couple little ones and put them in, like, in between the cracks, you know?

Yeah. Basement where he has all his former recruits just, like, leaning up against the wall. Yeah, yeah.

Do you. You literally, like, if you're. If you're like, oh, man, I'm capped out on tvs. Boom. Gonna order another one. Is it like, that, spur of the moment?

Yeah, it's like a new toy.

That's so awesome.

You played video games on one.

Oh, yeah.

It means living his best life. Do you have any furniture in your house? I have a couch, but you're on the beanbag chair.

On the beanbag chair.

Because it's better eye level for the tvs on the floor. Yeah.

Do you have. Do you have a table?

I have a.

One table.

That sounds like a no and no, no, no.

I was trying to think of the term an island. Right.

Okay.

But that's it.

You have a.

So you don't have a coffee table.

What's on the island? Is it, like, counter height?

Yeah, counter height.

Counter height, island.

I have two little chairs. I actually have a pretty nice apartment.

Yeah, you got a bunch of tvs.

Bunch of tvs.

But you don't have a coffee table.

Don't have. I have two end tables.

Okay, this is awesome.

Memes, I would love to go over to your apartment. Just house beers on set.

Yeah. Just hang out.

Hang out. Sounds like a cool hang apartment.

Yeah. Okay. What's your cool throne?

Pft, on my cool throne. That's a good question. What do you. Yeah, I mean, memes apartment rocks. My cool thrones. Max Homa. Max Homa has been named to the President's cup team.

Let's go.

Captain's pick.

Let's go.

I don't. Wins the President's Cup, Hank.

Every two years.

Yeah. It's off years of the Ryder cup.

Right.

So it's like this summer.

This summer coming up. So we don't know who the president's going to be, but good for Max Homa. He loves both Kamala and Donald Trump.

Yes.

So he's going to be excited to represent whoever the president or RFK junior. He's a big RFK junior, guys.

Yes.

So he's excited to represent the office of the presidency. He did play well in the Ryder cup. Right. Max is a country first kind of guy.

Yeah. He did that when we were like, he was the only, he and Brooks were like the only two shining hopes that, that last day.

I kind of like our odds this year.

Yeah. All right. My hot seat is Billy Napier. We talked about him. Florida head coach. He's already fired per PFT. But it's supposed to be Billy. Billy Napier is on the hot seat because, you know, it's going bad for a head coach when he is taking shots at the people on social media in the basements. So he said if we can focus on those things talking about good football and not what some guy in his basement in rural central Florida is saying on social media, then we've got a chance to get better. Right. Also, our colleague Nikki Smokes, who is from Florida, pointed out they don't have basements in Florida.

That's what I was looking up right now.

Yeah.

And especially not in central Florida because it's a swamp.

Correct.

The water table is too high. You dig down into the basement. If anything, you're like, staying in, in an apartment with your mom.

Right.

Right.

So moved back in with his mom.

You're in a condominium. Yeah. You're. Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah. The, but either way, the minute a football coach brings out the basement, social media basement, it's over.

Yeah. Not a good start. It's also early flight tracking season for college football. Yes. Because there's been flights. People are now monitoring flights from Gainesville to Oxford, Mississippi, right now. And they're speculating flight tracking season's the best. You guys know I love flight tracking season, but they're all over it. So now they're thinking maybe Lane Kiffin. But it also just could be any jet that goes from Gainesville to Oxford.

Yes. Yes. All right, then my cool throne is Jay Cutler, because Kristen Cavallari said that her boyfriend, Mark Estes, Montana boy, who's 13 years younger than her, she's having the best sex she's ever had.

That's a bit predatory, isn't it?

It is. But it's also, if you have to publicly say you're having the best sex you ever had, you're lying.

You're either doing that because you're lying or you're doing it just because you know that Jay Cutler will correct and get angry.

So Jay won because that's. You don't see. Don't just come out and be like, oh, I'm having the best sex ever.

Mm hmm.

That's. You're lying. And.

And j one, I'm having the best sex ever.

Yeah. Lying, lying, lying, lie.

I'm having off. I'm having the worst sex in my life right now.

Yeah, that's true.

Fuck. So you just don't talk about yourself.

Exactly. If you don't talk about your sex, you could just. People just assume you're having the best sex ever. The minute you say you have the best sex ever, everyone's like, dude, that's a lie.

I'm having no sex. What does that mean?

You're telling the truth. But, yeah. J one. J one. Okay, should we get to our interviews? Pete Prisco. Always fun to have Pete Prisco on it is brought to you by our friends at game time. Game time is the exclusive ticketing partner, Barstool sports. Football season is here, and we want. We can't wait to get out to some games this fall with the help of game time, the official ticketing partner, Barstool sports. You know how much we love game time. Now, with their brand new game time picks feature, they're making it even easier to get to a game. Game Time picks filters out the fluff to show you only incredible deals on great seeds. So you don't have to waste time searching through thousands of tickets. We were looking at that. Ravens Chiefs games happened in 24 hours, 100 or $200 to get in with game time using the GT pick setting at the top of the screen. Or browse the best local game time pick deals near you. So if you're listening this year, Ravens or Chiefs fan banner Knight, use game time. Use that game time picks feature. Download the game time app today.

Use code PMT to easily score great deals with the new game time picks. What time is it? Game time. Okay, here he is, Pete Prisco. Okay. We now welcome on one of our favorite guests. He's the spiciest meatball in the world. It is senior NFL columnist for CBSSports.com is that by age, by age, he's the, he's literally, they can't believe that he's still working. And analysts for CB's sports HQ, it is Pete Prisco. Watches the film, watches the tape. Watcher was on the Russell Wilson stinks far before anyone else.

He was on the Russell Wilson stinks even when he was really good, when.

He was winning Super Bowls. He's like, this guy's going to stink at some point when he's like 36. Pete Prisco. Pete, we're on the eve of the NFL season. There's no better, there's no better time right before the NFL season starts. Let's start here. What's the spiciest take you got right now that everyone's coming after you for that. You think you're going to be right and everyone else is wrong.

The packers are going to win the Super bowl.

Oh, you motherfucker.

I knew you would love that.

God damn it. Why schedule.

Is this a schedule thing? Because we, remember last year with the Jaguars, we looked at the schedule. You had them at what, twelve wins last year?

13, I think.

13 wins.

Yeah. Well, they were, they went, they went in in November as a number one seed. You forget about that on a Sunday night and the quarterback got hurt. Let's not forget about that.

Yeah, no, you're right. You're right on that. They were never going to get to the Super bowl. But the packers are your Super bowl champions. Why, besides Jordan, love being what seems like a, you know, an up and coming superstar with how he finished last year. Why is it so different?

Well, because a, I think you get those receivers all together now. They didn't play barely at all together last year. Watson's on the field. He's a big, big play receiver. You're going to open things up with that guy. Then you look at the running game. I think they're more physical in the running game than they did. The offensive line will be bigger and stronger, but more than, you know. We know. It's love, but more than on the other side of the ball. They weren't very good, but now they bring in a defensive coordinator and Jeff Halfley who can get after it. They're going to be aggressive. They're going to play more press man, they're going to attack the quarterback. I love what they've done on defense and I love what they're doing on offense. They're the best team in that division. I know you don't want to hear it, but they are.

You now counterpoint to what you said. Obviously their win Thanksgiving Day was impressive against the Lions and they beat the Chiefs, who were reeling at that moment. Are you worried, though that there was maybe a little smoke and mirrors with how they finished the season, went needing three wins to get in the playoffs and they beat the Panthers, barely. The Vikings on their 3rd, 3rd quarterback. And my Bears, who sucked, who I deluded myself thinking they could win that game to get into the playoffs.

Yeah, but don't you can flip it forward and say they went down to Dallas and beat the Cowboys and then went to the 49 ers and should have won that game.

Yeah, I'm looking at being like that last, that the end of their season last year was a complete fluke and they suck. No, I understand. That's stupid.

Yeah, you're hoping, you're wishing.

But, pete, isn't it fair to say, like, we don't have enough body of evidence, not enough body of work with Jordan Love?

We can say that about CJ Stroud, too. Does anybody say that about him?

I think, yeah, they do. I mean, they say he's really, really good, but they say it's, it's his rookie year. He just did it once. They're not giving him a massive, obviously.

Yeah, but from that, if they could, they would, though. From that, from that standpoint, you make a good point. Both of them probably have to do it all over again. But haven't you seen enough to give you an idea that you're a believer in both of them? Okay, I'll give you, I'll give you this for you. If Jaden Daniels goes out and throws 28 touchdown passes and seven interceptions and Washington wins nine games, are you going to say that he can't do it again?

No, absolutely not. Ok. No, absolutely. But that's because I already know he's that good going into it in my mind, because he won the Heisman last year. What did Jordan love do last year?

He was, went to the playoffs. Deep into the playoffs.

No, I mean, I mean the year before that.

He's watched a lot of football from.

The bench, I guess two years old. He's been there for forever. Okay, good, good one to start with. That was a good way to get it, get it spicy off the, off the rip.

I saw another somewhat spicy take that you had, you did your list of the hundred best players you had. Patrick Mahomes number one. Overall, the NFL players disagree with you. Would they have him?

I think two or three.

Or three.

Yeah, that's mystifying to me.

That's a hot take by Pete putting him at number one.

He might be that. By the way, if he wins the Super bowl this year and three peach, he's in the conversation as the greatest football player of all time already.

Good point. Good point. Hank doesn't have his headphones on right now.

Yeah, Patrick Mullah's be the greatest. Pete, you know how I know the Chiefs are going to probably be back in the Super bowl? Is that the conversation now when you're trying to pick them apart is like they'll just like get tired of winning and it's hard to win three there. They might be better this year that they probably are better this year than they were last year because last year they weren't through the body of work of the, of the regular season, weren't a great team. They obviously got great in the, in the playoffs there. They seem like they might be a better team this year. Would you, would you agree?

Yes, absolutely. Last year was the year to get them and nobody got them. I mean, it's easy to go into every season and say, okay, I'll take the Chiefs against the field because they're that good. The coach is that good. Think about this. Andy Reid coaches until he's 70 has a chance to get the wins record. We all thought it was going to be Belichick, but Andy Reid actually has a chance to get that coach quarterback. Of course they're better than they were a year ago. They have speed now on offense. They could stretch the field. It's a better team. But winning three in a row, it's never happened for a reason. It's never happened for a reason.

Right. You just did it right there. You did the like, this is what we're going to pick apart on the Chiefs. So if the Chiefs weren't to go to the Super bowl from the AFC, what are your other AFC teams? You're like, this is the year they're going to take that step forward, maybe knock off the Chiefs.

You'll be happy because I got Buffalo going to the Super bowl.

Oh, I love that. Nice, Pete.

Oh, my God. Buffalo versus the packers. That. I might have to get a Bills tattoo before that game.

Pete, that would make my day. If the, make my year. If the Bills went to the Super bowl, that'd be so awesome.

You guys will know this. The whole idea of the window shutting on the Bills is the stupid dumb talk that people throw out there when they don't pay attention to what's going on. As long as Josh Allen is slinging the football in Buffalo, they will have an open window, period. End of story. And everybody says, well they lost all these guys from a year ago. They didn't have most of those guys a year ago. Trudevius White wasn't around. Matt Milano's hurt again. He wasn't there last year. The two safeties were banged up all year. The Quan Jones went down early in the season. The best run stuffer, von Miller was admittedly a shell of himself. Then they talk about Diggs. Look what Diggs did the last ten games of the season. Nothing. Nothing. And it's addition by subtraction. So the way I look at it, Buffalo is going to be a better team than they were a year ago and they have a legitimate chance to go to the super.

Imagine all those Bills fans down New Orleans. They're going to drink, drink so many beers, man. It's going to be amazing.

It would be wild. Could you buffalo and Green Bay in the Super bowl in New Orleans. It would just be. And it wouldn't be high end drinking. You know, it'd be a lot of the cheap stuff. That'd be fun.

I think that would be the fattest Super Bowl. I think it would.

Wisconsin definitely.

Yeah.

Have the winter weight.

More power in Buffalo. Buffalo than fat. But it's, it's power. You got powerful people.

You have to insulate yourself from the elements in Buffalo.

Yeah.

Beef on weck. You know that's. Yeah, I love beef on weck.

They just eat food that keeps you warm. That's the trick of having a buffalo.

Yeah, yeah.

Wings, all that stuff.

Okay, so. Yeah, so, so other AFC teams that I want you to pick apart or tell me what you, what your main like bugaboo is the Bengals. We're big believers in Joe Burrow. I think that the league has kind of forgotten about Joe Burrow because he hasn't been playing. What do you think about the Bengals this season and do they have a team that could potentially get to the Super bowl?

Absolutely. As long as Joe Burrows on the field they're a contender. They're like, they're like the Bills. As long as that quarterback is on the field they're a contender. They've gotten bigger and stronger in the offensive line. Now Mims is banged up, but when he's back they're big, physical offensive line and they're going to have score a lot of points defensively. They need some guys to step up, but they have a lot of talent on that side, particularly young guys. You know, the young secondary players. I think they're going to be better than they've been on defense. But it all comes down to Burrow being on the field and availability is the best ability, and he hasn't exactly been there game in and game out. But I'm with you when he's on the field, he's fantastic.

Okay, what about the Ravens? I know that you don't like Lamar that much because he's one of those running quarterbacks that you look down your nose on, but they should have done better in the play. If they had run the ball in the second half against the Chiefs, we might be telling a different story right now. They got Derek Henry. Lamar is what, like 1215 pounds lighter than he was last year? Which, by the way, I'm not so sure that's a good thing that Lamar Jackson is like 15 pounds lighter. The knock on Lamar Jackson was never, you know, this guy would be great if he wasn't so fat, right?

It was never that.

It was.

I don't understand why, why he wants to get leaner. You should be what that on your. But, you know, because he needs to be stronger. He's going to take some shots, you know, by the way, I like Lamar Jackson. You're putting, you're putting. I don't like quarterbacks who immediately just run, and he's gotten much better at not doing that. Look at Josh Allen runs. I like Josh Allen. He runs a lot, too. But their problem to me right now is their offensive line. You know, they're actually talking about rotating guys like they did last year, series and series at right tackle and maybe left guard. I don't like that. I think you need to find five and settle on them and they have issues on the offensive line and if they have problems on the offensive line, it's going to be hard to rush them. Rush the football with Henry or whoever's running the ball.

Okay. The Texans. The Texans. Would you say it's subtraction by adding Stefan Diggs or they. It is interesting because you, you know, last year was an aberration year where it's like, I can't believe we have this quarterback that's this good, this young, and they've got stud wide receivers and now you add a guy like Stefan Diggs. Are you, what, what would be the whole of the Texans, if you were.

Scouting them, doing it again as a hunted team, I think that's, that's, you got to learn how, you know, that was the same thing that Jacksonville ran into last year. You didn't know how to handle success. And does this team know how to handle success? You think they do, but you never know until you, until you get, you know, teams are gunning for you week in and week out. You're one of the better teams in the league. You have to learn how to handle that. And I'm not sure they can. The division's a lot tougher. I'm a big will Levis guy. I think the Titans are going to be better. Anthony Richardson on the field. The Colts probably should have beat him in the last week of the season and they might not even made the playoffs. And here's the other thing. As much as we love CJ Stroud, you would have thought the way we talk about him, he threw 40 touchdown passes. I think he threw 24, if I'm not mistaken. I mean, it wasn't like it was Dan Marino throwing 48 in his second season. It's just so we got to slow the roll a little bit on this team.

Diggs, by the way, will be on his best behavior because he's on a one year deal.

So he's, yeah, he's going to make sure that he doesn't completely alienate every other team in the league.

Correct. Once you get another contract.

Yeah.

He threw 23 touchdowns, I believe, in the regular season last. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's two games. He did miss two games, but that's.

Not a great number. It's not 40. It's not 37. It's not, you know what I mean? It's a, he's good. I love what I've seen from the kid, but again, you got to show us, just like you said about George love. Show us again. But more than that, this young team has to show us again.

Yeah.

What about the New York jets? There have been a lot of problems that weren't really problems this offseason, but they felt like problems a lot of the time. Aaron Rodgers missing out on minicamp. The Hasan Reddick contract thing, that's still going. I don't know what is the problem on that? Just he hasn't shown up to the facility to negotiate the contract or they.

Won'T give him a new contract or they offered him one that they didn't like it or there's a bunch of things that could be a play there. He'll show up and play. There's only so many earning years in your body. Eventually he's going to show up. I mean, they know that he knows it. He won't sit out the season. Nobody does anymore. It's too much money being left on the table. Trenton Williams will eventually show if he doesn't get a new contract. They all show up and they should show up because again, I say it all the time. Every year you sit out or every game you sit out is money you can't get back.

You'll never get it back before Trent. Trent's just not shown up for games before.

Yeah, and he was a kid then. He was at eight years ago, seven years ago. Now he's an old guy so he needs to get those. Only have less earning years in your body.

He'll show. So what about the rest of the jets, though? What do you expect out of them?

If the offensive line stays healthy and again, that's a big if. If Roger stays healthy, that's probably a little bit of an if. They'll be good on offense and they'll score points and they're going to be a team to watch out for that division. They're going to push Buffalo. I think they're the two best teams in that division and they're going to push for more than that. If they get a second weapon and you know, you know, Wilson's going to be a heck of a weapon. But who else emerges? Mike Williams is coming off a knee injury. Never was a burner to begin with. The tight end position suspect they need to get more weapons involved. So if they can find somebody that steps up, then I think they'll push for a deep into the playoffs, in fact.

Okay, so AFC is, it is crazy looking at the AFC because there's really nothing, I mean, besides the Patriots and I don't even know, maybe the Raiders, like, there's not a lot of teams that you can be like. We can pretty confidently say they're gonna be bad. Who is the dark horse team? Because it happens every year where it could just be the jets because they didn't make the playoffs last year, but the team that you don't see making the, you know, didn't make the playoffs last year and now they're in the playoffs and they had a year that people didn't fully expect. Can't say the Jaguars?

No. Well, they're going to be the playoffs, though. They'll be a wild card team.

Okay.

Well, the Bengals.

Yeah. You want me to throw another team out there for you? Our guy Jim Harbaugh in LA. They obviously have a lot of talent deficiencies, but he's going to co, he's going to win a couple games they shouldn't win just because of who he is and how he runs that system.

Them. Absolutely. But I think they're a year away. I think they're like your bears team. I think they're a year away.

I didn't know that. I didn't know you had that take.

Yeah.

What do you, what do you think about the Bears?

Yeah, I think. I think they're going to be a real push for Super bowl next year, but I think they're a year away from being a playoff team this year.

What does that mean? What's the record?

Nine and eight. Eight. Nine.

You told me nine and eight.

Nine. Eight's not bad, though. Nine. It's pretty good. Turn around.

And eight.

I don't know, but you also. We can get back to the Bears in a second. You glossed over talking about the Chargers. Did you not see the report that Herbert was stuck in an elevator and Harbaugh was extremely impressed with how he handled himself inside that elevator like a leader.

Yeah. And I didn't quite get that, by the way. I mean, what the hell does that mean? You didn't pee in the corner like everybody else did? What's that mean?

I thought he didn't sweat at all, but I also thought maybe that meant he wasn't hydrated. If you're not pissing in the corner, that means that you're not hydrated enough for football.

What if you had to go number two while you were stuck in the elevator?

Well, Lamar. Lamar would have had to.

He would have been the worst. I was going to ask you who you think the worst quarterbacks to be stuck in an elevator with? I think Lamar probably number one because of number two and probably Russell Wilson because he do like high knees.

Oh, he would be annoying in there.

Yeah.

He'd be taught.

Yes.

He'd probably be number two. He might even be number one.

If Lamar.

Lamar did his business in the corner, you just move away from him. You know, it would. Couldn't get away from Russell.

Kind of an alpha male move, though, to just take your pants off and take a shit.

He'd probably go. He'd probably go in his pants and let it sit there for a while.

How many games do you think Russell Wilson is going to play this year? Barring injury? How many? Four or five. And then they're going to pull the plug.

You got to pull the plug. I mean, what did they see in the preseason or in their workouts that gave you any indication that he's the guy? Or going back to last year when he held the ball forever and caused so many sacks in Denver, he's done.

He's over. I think what they're just hoping for is that they get an average quarterback because with an average quarterback on that team last year, then you're telling an entirely different story. The offense looks a lot better. Defense is still going to be awesome this year. They got them to the playoffs.

Yeah. They're always going to be tough and physical and everything else and want to run the ball. They have offensive line questions. There's, you know, two rookies that are going to be starting on that offensive line. That's questions. And then again, look at the division. What? Where are they in the division? They're the fourth team, right?

I. Yeah, I mean, I guess I. The Browns are kind of a team that hasn't been talked about a lot just because no one knows what Deshawn Watson's going to do and when is Nick Chubb going to be back and like they do? The Browns were good last year with Joe Flacco down the stretch, but I have no idea what to expect from Deshaun Watson.

No, nobody does. He's played twelve games for the Browns in two years. I mean, you can't know. And when he's been on the field, he's been bad at times. And then he started looking good at the end before he got hurt again last year. They're the unknown team. You're right about them. They have talent on defense. They got an elite defensive player that can rush the passer and wreck the game if Watson's good and the offensive line is healthy. And again, their two tackles, their three tackles were hurt last year. Now they have two of them. They're still banged up. You got problems there.

Yeah.

Okay, so back to the Bears. Big cats. Bears. You don't seem like you're buying in fully. You said that they're a year away. They've got guys that can get after the passer. On defense. They've got who appears to be a great quarterback in Caleb Williams. You've got all the weapons in the world for Caleb.

One of the best secondaries in the league.

I love the corners. I really love the corners. They might have the best group of corners in the league, by the way.

I'd agree.

So why do you hate the Bears?

I don't. I just think this is another team that's got to learn how to, how to win and learn how to have success. You have a rookie quarterback. It's tough on a rookie quarterback. It's not like they just show it doesn't happen all the time. So it's going to be a process. But the way you look at the division, I think the packers are really good. I think the Lions are really good. The Vikings not so much. But I think if you look, they're the bears of the third team in the division. And so I think combined with everything, I don't think they're going to make the playoffs. Now. Would I be shocked if they snuck in as a wild card? No, but I just think it's a year away from when they're really special.

Yeah. I mean, listen, if I, if I were, I'm obviously very, very excited about this Bears season. I'm very excited about the future because it feels like Ryan polls is putting the team together the right way. And I do think the defense has some insane talent. But I also will admit that if we played the end of the season, you know, game that I did with the packers, they beat up on some not great quarterbacks down the stretch and, you know, when they played Kyler Murray, when they played Jordan Love, I know we beat the Cardinals, but Kyler Murray kind of, you know, passed all over us. So there is something to be said for that where it's like, you got to show it again this year.

Yeah. And I love that they're doing on defense. They're building to something special, but again, it's all building and it's not there yet. You know, got a rookie receiver you're counting on for big things. He's still a rookie receiver. He's going to be good, but he's a rookie receiver. You know, Keenan Allen, what's he have left? There are questions there. So I think you add it all up. I think they're a year away.

Okay. Okay. And then let's, let's do the NFC. So it feels like one of the, it feels like there's going to be one team that we expect to be really good in the NFC that's just not, and it's like, you know, whether you want to pick the Eagles, the Cowboys, I'm trying to think who else.

Some people have said the Niners.

Is there one of those teams that you can think of where you're like everyone's expecting them to just kind of do the same thing and be a playoff team, but there's something there that is just not right. That's going to hold them back.

I think Dallas is going to win the division. So if, but I also had the Eagles sneaking in, so if you had to, I'd say they both get in. The Niners division isn't very good. I don't think. I think those teams are coming a little bit, but they're not there yet. So I think the Niners won't be as good as they were a year ago, but I still think they're going to get, you know, one or two seed in the NFC. They're just not as, I don't think they're as good as they were a year ago. So, so they might be the team, but they'll still be in the postseason. As far as a team that made the playoffs last year, that's not going to get in. That's hard to figure out because if you look at it, where do they come from? Because I think the Lions, the Packers will both be there again. I think the Cowboys will be there. The Eagles, I think the Bucks win. The south. Most people are sleeping on the Bucks.

Yeah.

Because they're all in on Kirk Cousins in Atlanta. I'm not. And then I think the Niners will.

Be in the playoffs and the Rams, I think, and the Rams.

So where's the team that's going to come from nowhere to make the playoffs in the NFC.

But, you know, there will be like, we will have you back on. Like, you know that there will be a team. One of those teams you listed will not make the playoffs.

You probably, you would probably pick Atlanta maybe right to be the team that.

Yeah, I think Atlanta is going to be very good this year.

I actually, oh, I got, I got a spicy one for you, Pete. Are the Saints as bad as we think they are? Because I think they're like perfectly average and in that division, like, they started playing okay ball down the stretch and Derek Carr kind of figured it out a little bit with the new team. Could, could it possibly be the Saints? Cause that, that division will be tight like, no, no one's a juggernaut there.

Yeah. No, it's not the Saints. I think you talk about a team has major offensive line problems. But more than that, Derek Carr, can you count on him week in and week out? Here's the other thing. Age is starting to creep in on defense. Alder, Marquis, Demaro, Davis getting up in the years, cam Jordan up in the years, honey badger up in the ears. And I think you start worrying about that a little bit as well.

Okay. Okay.

So what about Detroit? What's Detroit, what's the, what's the vibe going to be like in Detroit this year? Because they're one of the teams that was the hunter now. They're definitely firmly in that hunted category. The way that the season ended last year, that could be, like, a big thing to get over emotionally. Do you think that carries over into this year? You still like them?

I think they're talented. Their talent will carry them far enough, but getting back to where they were is going to be tough to do. It's hard to get back there. And he even said that after the game. You know, remember Dan Campbell said that. But here's some words of advice for Dan Campbell, and I love the way coach, when he had to coach that way. You don't need to coach that way anymore. Stop with the fourth down, going for it all the time. You did. You did that when you needed to do that. You don't do that anymore. Your team is good. You don't need to do that.

I disagree with that. I think you should do it. I think you should do it the same that he's done in the past.

It cost him a chance to go to the Super bowl.

That's. It cost him a chance to go to Super bowl because they had some drops in those plays, and that happens sometimes in football. Sometimes you don't catch the ball, but I feel, because I think the team plays hard for him because they like the identity that he puts out there. Yeah, we're like, we got Dan Campbell, fucking Dan Campbell on her side, and we can do anything because we believe in this guy.

Early on, when you didn't have as much talent, that made sense. Where your talent is now there on the roster. You don't need to play that way anymore. You adjust to your team year in and year out. You can get away from that. If they. Come on, if they had kicked a field goal late in that game, they go to overtime and they might win the game and go to the Super bowl.

Yeah. I mean, you also say that the field goal is going to be guaranteed because that field goal kicker was not great. They changed them. Right. Like, that was a. I think they.

Brought back the guy started the playoffs, though. He made the kick.

Then we go to getting.

We go back to Dallas in the, in the regular season. If he had played that the right way, you might have had a home playoff.

I need, I need to go back and look at all three of those questionable decisions that he made because I thought that two of them were good. I thought one of them was really bad.

I also pfc. And I kind of agree that, like, you, if you are, if your mo is to play on the edge and you have your guys like that, I do think that there's a, there's an inherent value of it. Like, hey, we're going to push it all the time. And you can't change. You can't, like, if he had been scared, dan Campbell in the playoffs, people would have shit on him for that.

Not me. I mean, you're different because I just. You got to play the percentages. You got to play. You got to play to go to the next play. And they didn't play to go to the next play. Played to win it right there.

Analogy that Dan would understand would be that, like, they're, they're like Metallica. Wherever ride the Lightning came out, their fans were like, this fucking rocks. The black album came out, and you're like, this. This team's really, really good. And then if they dropped load, you're like, this is soft. They've gone weak. That's what Dan Gamble, he'd be like load by Metallica if he took his foot off the gas.

So you guys want him to continue to play as aggressively as he's done?

Yes.

Even though it cost him a chance possibly to go to the Super Bowl?

I want Dan Campbell to be Dan Campbell.

Yeah. I don't want to change.

You could be Dan Campbell, but you can be situationally smarter than Dan Campbell.

No. No, I don't think you can. And that's not Dan Campbell.

Yes, it is.

He's learned. He's evolved. Can't you evolve?

Dan Campbell doesn't evolve.

Pete, is there a quarterback that you see either taking a step forward this year that we don't see coming or maybe a quarterback that's going to take a step back, that people are like, hey, we. We think he's this. And, and I disagree. I do not see the same thing when I watch the film, which you do.

Will Levis is going to take a major step forward.

Okay. I like that.

You know, Will Levis is a lot like. You follow his career arc and all the stuff that people said about him coming out and the way they handled him and everything else. Josh Allen.

Okay.

Same type of thing. Remember, oh, he wasn't very good as a senior and why was his completion percentage bad and this and that. He's different and everything else. And Will Levis is entirely not the people that he's person he's portrayed to be by the media when he came into the draft. He loves it. He lives it. He's like Josh Allen. He's a fanatic about it. He goes on vacation in Italy and scouts out fields to go work out while he's there, three weeks before camp, hops over the fence, starts working out, the cops come, he doesn't know how to speak Italian. They were going to arrest him and he finally got somebody to talk himself out of it. That's how much of a maniac he is as a guy who loves, loves the game. And you have to be that way. He's going to have a monster season, and everybody who mocked that made fun of him and mocked his game going into the draft is going to be exactly the way they were with Josh Allen. They're going to be wrong.

So your entire analysis of will love who we like, he's a friend of the program, is that you think he has moxie because he was able to talk his way out of a bunch of angry Italians trying to arrest him.

Well, you know how us Italians are. We'll throw anybody.

That's how you, you heard that story and you're like, oh, my God, my pizza. Incredible.

You know what a criminal you have to be to get arrested by Italians.

Yeah, right. I mean, that was, I mean, it was funny because he didn't know any italian and he couldn't. At some point he said he was an NFL quarterback and they went, big deal.

You know, they didn't care if that story happens in France. You're not loving Will Levis the same way you're losing.

It's the fact that he actually scouted out workout facilities to go when you're on a vacation, it's. That's Peyton Manning ass. That's weird. I. But it's crazy. He's, by the way, he is going to be a big time player and it's same trajectory as Josh Allen. Big arm, tough kid. It's come telling you, just keep an eye on it. He's going to be a star.

I do like that story, though, Pete. I would have, it would have been better if he had snuck into the Roman Coliseum and gotten down there where the gladiators used to be and then practiced down there.

Now that, now that would be a hell of a story.

Yeah, that would be a good story. So is there a quarterback that you think will take a step back this year?

Step back quarterback? Well, you got the elite. They're never stepping back. Those guys will never step back. So I guess eliminate them.

There's seven of them. Wait, who are your top seven?

Oh, you have seven elite quarterbacks.

Well, I think Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Rogers. He still counts. Lamare. Am I leaving off there?

Stafford Rock, Purdy.

Stop. Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy's better than people give him credit for, but he's not. He's not elite. Staffers not there. Herbert? No. Lawrence? No to a. No. Maybe it's. That's. Maybe that's it. So.

Top six.

Yeah.

No, he's not elite.

You didn't say Jalen hurts.

He's not. He's not there either.

Is there a chance it could go bad in Philly?

I think there's a chance, but they have so much talent. Look, you know, everybody wants to point to the offensive side of the ball. That defense was awful. It's awful. I mean, guys, guys got lazy and they wore down at the end of the season. It was just not past. Defense was terrible. And they. Everybody goes, Jalen hurts and the coach. Jalen hurts and the coach. It wasn't that. It was. It was. The defense was awful. That was the problem. And they look, by the way, they look like they were gave up in that playoff game.

That's what they look like big time.

So, Pete, in the preseason, we're getting into week one here, but I'm going to ask you to put coaches on the hot seat. Pre. Hot seat. Preheated on them.

Okay.

Which coaches should we be looking at?

Siriannis. On the hot seat already. Think about that, though. This is how crazy it is. He was in the Super bowl two years ago, went to the playoffs last year. If he doesn't make the playoffs this year, is probably on the hot seat.

I mean, we're calling him a stike and merchant.

I mean, McCarthy's on the hot seat.

Yeah.

I mean, if he doesn't win, if he doesn't get a deep into the playoffs or win a playoff game, he's probably out. Right? That's two.

I'd say so. I.

But I thought that last year, too, and I actually thought that the year before that. It's almost like Jerry Jones likes keeping him around because he knows that he can just yell at Mike McCarthy all the time.

I mean, we. We do pretend that Jerry Jones is like. Because obviously, you know, his entire fallout with Jimmy, Jimmy Johnson in the nineties, but like, he did keep Jason Garrett around for way too long. Yes, he is maybe too loyal.

He is loyal. He is loyal. But I think this is it. Mike, Mike. Mike probably knows it. You don't get to put. You don't win a playoff game, you'll probably be gone. Dable. Brian Dable probably has to show something or he's gone.

Yeah.

There aren't many, though. That's the thing, because there's been so many new coaches and so many, you know, teams turned over that there's not that many. Dennis Allen, you mentioned the saints. He could be in trouble.

Yeah. I mean, who even remembers he's coaching?

Yeah. I mean, yeah. So, yeah, I think there's not that many. Four or five could be on the hot seat, but Sirianni could be.

Okay, so we know you have the packers in the, in the bills as your Super Bowl. I got one last question for you, Pete, and you're the best. We always love your takes. The robot question rhoback.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Qzips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts and bathing suits. Roback.com promo code take what is the, what's the, you know, used to be Russell Wilson. What is the argument that you find yourself getting into the most online right now where people are saying you're stupid and you're like, hey, I'm Pete Prisco and I watch the tape, by the way.

I want my Robec Speedo that I can wear to the beach.

I want that. Yeah.

I don't think they make denim speedos.

If they did, you would have one. Believe me. I know you.

That's probably true.

Yeah.

My big, the biggest take that gets me in trouble, the Miami Dolphins, the two and on comes at me hard, man. They're, they're rough. They're rough. And now I say they're not tough enough, and that drives them up a wall. They're pretty, they're fun to watch. They're good in September, but when it comes time to play good teams or playoff games or games against big games or big games against good teams, they're one in six last year. That's a problem.

You're right about that. I mean, there's, it's, it's just a fact. They haven't had that signature, signature win against a really tough team. And the way they played in that game against the Chiefs, like it was a quit thing, it felt like they quit.

Well, and not just that. Mike, Mike McDaniel is a hell of an offensive coach. Might be the brightest offensive coach or one of them in the league, but he's very tight with his players, almost like when you watch their practices and stuff, and it's that, that always worries me a little bit. I mean, like, guys go in and out of the drills when when the commanders and Dolphins worked out, the commanders were in full gear and Miami's guys were in shorts and their helmets were off at the beginning of practice. I mean, it's just a different feel, and maybe, I mean, that's who he is, so be true to who you are. But I wonder sometimes if that, if that flies when you get to tough toughness and tough games.

He's too nice. Too nice. He's one of those nice guys.

Yeah. I mean, at some point that shows up, doesn't it? I mean, isn't the proof in the pudding? So far, he's got it. He's got to dispel the notion that the Dolphins aren't tough enough.

Speaker zero.

Yeah, I'd agree with you. There definitely is. It's the buddy buddy thing. Like, if you, if they don't win a playoff game this year, I think Mike McDaniel is a hell of a coach, like you said, but if they don't win a playoff game, the, the seat will start getting a little warm because, like, hey, you can break all the records in the regular season. You can have an awesome offense, but you got to win in January. That's what they get paid to do.

And you got to win against good teams. I mean, even you play good. Look at their, their wins last year. They weren't against good teams. You have to beat good teams. One is six against playoff teams, and two is no different. I mean, two hasn't been good against the playoff teams either. So those two guys linked together have to be better. And again, I go back to my toughness, and I think that matters in the NFL.

So who do you think is the toughest team? Pete Prisco's toughest team?

Well, the Ravens. The Ravens are tough as hell. Always. The Ravens are always tough, physical, nasty, and they replace guys with tough, physical, nasty guys. The Ravens, when you think toughness, the Ravens are always right there with it. And not because of the style of play, either, just because of the mentality of the organization. They've always been that way going back to, you know, when they had the best defense in 2000, that that group was nasty. And it's carried over. The Ravens.

You got to get a murderer on the team.

Yeah.

Wow.

A legend. So.

And then the Steelers are always tough, too. Those two teams. I think if you look at true toughness, those two teams are tough.

That's, that's why I think the Chargers are going to maybe be surprising people because Harvard will make a tough team.

They will. He'll make a tough team. I saw you guys spawning all over Harbaugh. You love him.

We love him.

He's a great coach.

Love him. Sorry, you.

He's a great coach. He's a. He's a strange man, but he's a great coach.

Yeah. So, Pete, what about my commanders? Tell me something good about my commanders, because I've started to believe just watching Jaden in the preseason. He's so good. He's so good, Pete. And Adam Peters said today, this is me, like, reading way too deeply into a quote and actually buying the bullshit that they're selling. They're not rebuilding, they're recalibrating. So they. So they're in love that they're in win now mode.

Yeah.

Is what he said. So we're in win now mode. We're all in. In DC. That's why we traded John Dotson. Probably. But tell me something good about him. What's the ceiling that I can expect?

Eight, nine wins? Eight.

That's pretty good.

I'll take. I'll take.

I love. I love Jaden Daniel.

I think he's so good.

I think he's the best quarterback in the draft. Sorry, big cat.

I thought he was so good.

And having watched him at Arizona State and then watched him play at LSU and now watching him now, he's the most improved quarterback I've ever seen in my life. And I've covered this a long time at ASU, and I'm a Sun devil. He won very good. What he became at LSU, he was outstanding and he's only going to get better. When I watched him work out and I hadn't seen him play live, but I watched him work out against the Dolphins, he made a throw to the sidelines and that ball gets on that receiver so fast and with, you know, it's not. It makes. It throws easy, and that's what you want to see. I think that. I think the commanders have their guy for the next 15 years and he's going to be a star.

Don't say that, Pete. Don't say that. I agree with you. I love that for you. It sounds. It sounds so good hearing somebody else besides me say it. Thank you, Pete.

Yeah.

Love them. I love them. I think, like I said, I had him as the number one quarterback and Calum Caleb Williams is number two.

Well, you don't like Caleb Williams because he cried that one time.

No, I mean, I don't like the crying. I admit that I will never back away from that crying on your mom after a football game should never happen.

And the pink phone real men should never wear.

I don't care about. I don't care about any of that stuff. Who cares? I just think you shouldn't cry after a game.

It doesn't.

I mean, I win. I told Kyle long. You know Kyle long? I work with him. You don't cry. I never cried after anything when I was growing up. Nothing.

Well, you're a tough italian man. Yeah.

That seems like a personal thing. Maybe you should cry more.

Yeah.

Was the last time you cried, Pete?

Probably over a death or something. I cry over that pussy. No, that's not. No crying over. Did you ever cry over anything?

You see?

No.

Sporting event. Did you ever cry growing up? Even as a pee weekend?

I kind of cried a little. Like, not cried, but I cried a little bit of double doink, like a little teary eyed, like, kind of. It was kind of like talking, crying.

No, you did. You cried over a win in the loss of the team you're rooting for.

Yeah, I cried when. When the caps won the Stanley cup. I'll admit it. I was so happy.

Did you ever cry over losing anything when you were a kid playing sports?

No, because he never lost.

Yes, that's true.

You just have to be Pete. Pete understands that. You just have to be so good to never lose.

No, you know why I never cried? As long as I did my job and I got my points or I got my selfish guy.

Sounds like a great teammate.

There isn't. There is an eye in price. Go. Believe me. I'm telling you.

Pete, you're the best. We appreciate you, as always. Hopefully, we see you soon, and let's have a great season.

And bears. Bears will be nine wins. And the. And the commanders might be close to him. So you guys will have.

How many wins will the Patriots have for Hank?

Four.

Okay. He's expecting that.

I think more. I think more.

Play Drake. Play Drake. May. Now please. Get on with it.

Yeah, get on with it.

Why do you say that?

Because if. Why are you holding back? The sooner you get on, you find out what you have, the better off you'll be. And everybody says, well, if you drafted the. If he ruined his psyche, then, oh, wow, what do you do? Well, you know what? If you ruined his psyche, you drafted the wrong kid.

That's true.

Yeah. I agree with you. All right. Thanks so much, Pete.

You got it.

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Speaker one. Okay, we now welcome on a recurring guest that people might not know of because this was the Barstool gold era.

Yeah.

An incredible interview. It is our friend Forrest Galant, who is a scientist. What are the official things behind what you do?

Wildlife biology.

Wildlife biology adventurer.

Okay, now I'm just singing my own praises over here. Wildlife biologist, adventurer. Make tv shows, that kind of stuff.

Yes. A lot of people are familiar with you, but it's very funny because we were talking about having you. You're in town, we're like, yeah, let's have them stop by. We loved having them on the first time. And then it dawned on us that it was during the barstool gold era.

Yeah.

So this should be new to a lot of other people. For sure. Thank you for coming by.

My pleasure. Yeah, I just thought we were going drinking, so here we are.

Yeah, we put your ass on pay per view last time.

Oh, that's right.

On the paywall.

That's right. I forgot about that. That's right. That's funny.

Yes.

It's gonna be fun to talk to you because I've been following some of your stuff recently and I listened to, I think it was your most recent podcast where you came up with business ideas. And I really liked, I really liked your business idea, which was, was it the toxic masculinity gym?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

That would do well in Chicago, where I live in Santa Barbara. I don't think it would fly out here, though. That could be a thing.

Yeah.

Why is Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara soft?

It's soft.

Yeah.

I love it. I'm definitely gonna get some hate for saying this. I love living there. It's a great town. It's a soft town.

I don't think you can get, I don't think you can get hate for that because, like, California, once you go to California, you just become soft. But that's not like a, not in a bad way. It's just life is just more pleasant.

Yes, that's it. Yeah, the weather's nice. You don't have to be grumpy all the time, but, yeah, no toxic masculinity. Just a gym where, you know, it's nothing but bros and death metal and hooters. Girls are working there, and I forget what else we said in ours.

Like a zen station, I think that's it.

There's a Zen station. You know, you mix your pre workout, like, there's a. There's a shaker there. They mix it for you.

There should be a girl that's working out, doing very suggestive stretches, and then you. Then you approach her and you're like, hey, don't do that in my gym. My gym's not here for social media. My here's. My gym's here to work out.

That's it.

But you're filming that entire interaction for.

Your social media because on your end you're like, listen, I'm the hero of the story. Exactly.

I think that's a good idea.

So. So give a quick explainer for the people who might not be familiar with you. You are. You basically have lived your life outdoors.

Yeah.

And you are one with nature in a way that we have never been. So you. You grew up in Zimbabwe and California, correct?

Yep.

So, yeah. Tell us the backstory of, like, when did you start falling in love with nature and animals and being like, this could be a real living here where I go look for animals that people think are extinct or do all these videos.

Yeah. So I grew up in the southern african country of Zimbabwe. My family ran safari businesses. So since I was really little, the only thing I really knew and cared about was wildlife and being outdoors. And in 2001, Zimbabwe had, like, really bad political turmoil. So my family came to the US as refugees, and I came with them, bounced around government housing, all kinds of things, trying to get our feet under us. And the only thing that was, like, a common thread throughout my life, the only thing I really cared about was being outside and being kind of feral. And, you know, my sister grew up the same way, and she works in fashion, so I think it's just like the way I'm hardwired and. Yeah. So went to school, became a biologist academically, graduated, thought I was going to change the world. Wasn't changing the world as a biologist. And then through a whole bunch of weird series of events, I got the opportunity to go on camera and talk about wildlife. And that reached millions of people, and I was like, this is it. This is how I can actually make a difference in wildlife and conservation.

And now I've been to, I don't know, 80 plus countries, been bitten by everything, stung by everything, caught everything, had everything. Catch me. You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Just doing it all over the world, and I love it. It's what I live for.

The break you had was you were on naked and afraid, right?

Had to bring it up, huh? Yeah.

You dominated it.

I did, yeah, I did. So, yeah. So the first thing I ever did, I came home from being a biologist, flopped out on the couch. I was exhausted, spent three works and a hat, three weeks in a hazmat suit in, like, 100 degree weather, spraying weeds. And my girlfriend at the time was like, you got to go on this stupid survival show. Like, I know how good you are at this stuff. And I went and did it, went back to being a normal biologist, and the show came out and I crushed it. Like, I had one of the highest survival scores in the show was history. I thought it was like a vacation. I had a blast. I barely lost any weight, unfortunately, and. And then, yeah, I was like, this is my opportunity. So I started actually, like, writing tv shows and putting them together, like reality shows, unscripted adventure shows, and took three years from when naked and afraid came out till I. It wasn't long before I saw you guys, where I walked into my now business partner's office and was like, hey, let's do the show. He owned a production company, and he was like, yeah, let's try it.

I was like, holy crap. And then it managed to get a pilot and get picked up and turned into a series and another series and so on.

That's awesome. That is very cool because you have a lot of the reality television. People go on reality television, and then they're like, oh, I'm talented in this way. You actually were talented, right? Went to reality television for one episode, and that luckily helped, like, spawn what you are now.

Well, my whole thing is, like, I've always just stayed true to what I care about, which is wildlife. So even while I was naked, afraid in the jungle, you know, running around with. With my balls out, I was, like, grabbing snakes and talking to them about the camera, and the guy's like, are you gonna kill this thing and eat it or not? And I was like, oh, no, I just wanted to tell you about it. And they're like, that's weird. So I've just always sort of stayed true to what I care about, which is talking about wildlife and adventure, because I think. I think when people connect to the outdoors, it's the best thing for them.

Yeah.

When you move to the United States from Zimbabwe, were there any animals that, like, we take for granted here in the United States that are around everywhere that you became fascinated with because you're like, oh, this is new. This is interesting.

Oh, big time. So salamanders and newts are like a new world species, meaning they don't occur in Africa. And I remember, like, we came to Oakland, California, in the early two thousands. It was a rough neighborhood back then. And my mom got a call from the Oakland police department because I'd run off from our, like, little apartment building, and I was waist deep in the, in the middle of the park catching newts, and they'd come and grab me and pulled me out because they're like, what are you doing here? Because it's like, you know, San Francisco, everybody's walking around in their north face jackets. Like, they're not, they're not like a kid in the mud in the middle of a park catching newts. And I was just, like, enamored with these things. I'd never seen, like, a water lizard before, you know, and, yeah. And then underwater California is epic. Like, there's, there's white sharks and seals and sea lions. I grew up in a landlocked country, so all the ocean stuff was incredible to me.

Yeah. So what's, what's the scariest animal that you've ever encountered? Like, not face to face, but pretty much face to face.

I mean, scariest animal for me is mosquitoes. Hands down. That's a boring ass answer.

Yeah.

Shit. So we've done, we've kind of adventurous.

You've done it.

I'm a really wildlife expert.

Wait, why are mosquitoes. Just because they have all diseases.

Exactly. They carry the worst stuff. Yeah, but that's a boring answer. I mean, I've had some pretty, pretty bad stuff. Couple stingray stings charged by an elephant. I've had my canoe flipped by a hippo. Like, we've had some close calls.

That sounds scary to me. The hippo. I've always heard they're the most dangerous animal.

Yeah. They're the most unpredictably aggressive, so they can be totally calm and then just kind of snap, you know?

What is that about hippos?

Well, what it is, is hippos are, they're not actually, like, a very aggressive animal. They're just a very nervous creature. And if a hippo can't submerge, meaning go all the way underwater, that's when they panic and attack. So their fight or flight is almost always fight. So if you trap a hippo in any situation where it can't go underwater, it feels like it has to fight to get out of that situation. So if you're taking your canoe and the riverbanks, you know, on this side, and the canoe stuck between you or the hippo stuck between you and the deep water, he's going to flip your canoe over, he's going to try and kill you to get to that deep water. So any situation where they feel even slightly cornered, they're like, time to.

So that's so hippos aren't really, like. It's not. They're ferocious. They're just kind of, like, nervous bitches.

Totally. A hundred percent. And people don't know this. They either think they're cute and cuddly, or I. They're just nervous bitches. They're like. They're, like, on edge.

Those just needed someone to be like. They needed to smoke a little weed and just be like, dude, it's okay.

He's got to start shooting them with Xanax.

They're so big and strong and fast that when they do get nervous, they can kill anything.

Yeah.

There's probably animals that are like them out there that have that same nervous energy to them.

Right.

That just don't have the ability to murder anything.

That's it.

Right. What about that? What about that crocodile, Gustave? Are you familiar with the legend of Gustav?

I am, because I've heard.

I've heard both sides on Gustav. Some people think that some of his numbers are inflated. Some people think that they're not inflated enough. So can you just explain, like, who Gustave is and whether or not he's the real deal?

Yeah. Gustave was a notorious crocodile that allegedly killed, what, like, twelve people or something like that?

I think it was way more than that.

Was it more than that? And he was allegedly, I want to say, 26ft long, something like that. It was supposed to be the largest crocodile in history. You guys can fact check me on all of this. I think those numbers are likely inflated.

Because the numbers that are attributed to Gustav are 200 to 300 people.

Okay, so a little more than twelve. Yeah. But he was a famous man eating crocodile that was said to be, like, 26ft long or something like that. My take on that is definitely a true man eating crocodile. Crocodiles are one of only three animals in the world that actually choose to hunt and eat people. We were the other two polar bears and tigers.

They. They want us as snack.

They will actually choose to eat people. Like, everybody thinks of sharks, right? Oh, sharks eat people. Sharks don't want to eat people. No interest, right? Polar bears, tigers, crocodiles. Choose. Want to eat people. Oh, yeah.

Okay.

And. Which is scary because I'm going to do in polar bears for the first time in like, three weeks, so.

You are?

Yeah.

Bring them. Well, we, we, like, we drink Pepsi here. We could bring them the other one.

Yeah. Here you go. There you go. Yeah.

Are you afraid of polar bears? I've heard that you, if you are in an area with polar bears around, you just need to be, like, always awake, high alert, because if they smell you, they can smell you from miles away.

Right.

And if they want to kill you, you're already dead.

I, I think that's relatively true. I'm, I wouldn't say I'm scared of them because I've never experienced them, but I'm wary because it's totally different thing. And we're doing it on foot up in, up in the Arctic, in Canada, which I've never done before. So I'm really looking forward to it because my whole thing is figuring out all these interactions with wildlife. But it's a little bit different from like, oh, if I touch that snake, it might bite me. You know, that's a little bit different from like, oh, there's a polar bear somewhere around camp, so it'll be interesting, but I'm really excited for it.

What's the, what's the gnarliest snake that you've been bitten by?

Um hmm. The gnarliest one is probably, and to be clear, I don't try and get tagged by any of these things.

But you've never, you've definitely tried a couple times. There's, but there's a couple snakes where you're like, go ahead, bite me.

Oh, for sure. I'm doing that at a pet shop. Yes.

You're a sick fuck.

Yeah. Yeah. But the gnarliest one is probably when I was a teenager, I got bitten by a little, a little snake called a rhombic night adder. But when you're a kid, the venom from that can potentially kill you. And it did put me into, like, a small coma for a couple days.

Holy shit.

Yeah, I was, I was playing with a snake down by the dam at our farm. I was 14 years old, 13 years old, and I got bitten playing with it. And I was like, oh, that's not good. So I circled it on my arm and I wrote the name of the snake down on my arm. I jumped on my little pee wee 50 motorbike to rush back to the house to tell my mom. And I just remember, like, my vision going like this and the next. Apparently, like, some of the guys that were working on the farm saw me just, like, wipe out, and they thought I just, like, hit a. Hit a bump, right, and wiped out. So my mom came, grabbed me, threw me in the truck, and saw that I'd written it and circled it on my arm, rushed me to the hospital, and they were able to treat.

Wow. So if you hadn't written that down, you could have died, maybe because they would have thought in a bike accident.

Exactly. Yeah. That was probably the worst one.

You think that it's because you live in Santa Barbara that you have to go out and seek all these, like, extremely uncomfortable sometimes behaviors? Like, if you lived in Youngstown, Ohio, would you still have that thirst to go out, like, to the australian outback?

Probably more so. I mean, maybe not if I'd grown up in Ohio. But I think for me, it's not really about, like, the thrill seeking. Don't get me wrong. Like, I won't tell you I don't enjoy it, but it's more about, like, communicating to the world. How cool are these creatures? How cool are these adventures, like, trying to inspire people to, like, care about the planet and getting outside and specifically the wildlife?

Yeah. Yeah.

One thing you do a lot of is, I guess, describing whether or not animals that are listed as extinct are actually extinct.

Yeah.

Like, truly extinct, because sometimes they get put on the list because they're hard to find.

Totally.

And they're in these remote locations. It's expensive. It's cost prohibitive to go there and spend all those resources trying to be like, oh, here's a seahorse that I found that nobody's seen in, like, 20 years or whatever.

Exactly.

I had a thought, though. Do sometimes, would it be beneficial if there's an animal that is, let's say, almost extinct? Let's say maybe there's, like, 50 or 100 left in the wild. Would it be beneficial to have whatever the governing body is, say, yeah, the animals extinct? Because that way people won't go and try to hunt it anymore?

I've thought about that as well. Like, from an ethicality standpoint. The problem is if you do that, it's like turning a blind eye. So there's no protections that can be put in place. So if you do that in an insanely remote place where nobody's actually looking for the animal or hunting it, sure, that could be beneficial to let sleeping dogs lie. But without exposure there's no protections. Right, right. Whereas like for instance, like with the, the leopard that we found or the tortoise that we found, if we hadn't gone and found those, nothing would have been done to attempt to preserve it.

Yeah.

Likely somebody would have come along and just shot it or collected it. You never would have heard about it, right?

Yeah.

Because it would have just ended up in soup or a skin or who knows what. So I think as long as it's handled the right way, the exposure for something that's been lost to science is really important because then all of a sudden the government can come in and go, let's figure out how to protect the.

This.

Does it mean building a national park? Does it mean, you know, collecting them and bringing them in a facility like whatever it happens to be to try and help and. Hang on.

What, what's your white whale animal that you think might not be extinct that you want to find?

Um, there's a couple, I think right now. The one that's at the top of my list, this is as recent as like three days ago is I got a piece of information on. It's going to sound like a snooze, but the pink headed duck, which is a little duck that lives in Asia with a bright pink head that hasn't been seen in like 50 years. And I got a tip. I got a tip. Yeah. Got a tip, baby.

Okay.

A duck tip.

This is a pretty cool looking duck.

It's cool, right?

It's so funny that you got a tip some like. Yeah, I saw him down by the.

711, my duck guy in Mongolia hit me up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You guys don't have a duck guy. But yes, I got, I got a tip for this area in Myanmar that's a big swamp that this guy thinks he's seen several of them in the last few years. And so, you know, we vet a lot of these things. It could all be smoke and mirrors, but it also could be legit.

Yeah. So what else? What other ones?

That one's very high on my list. The one that sits on the top, reigns supreme is an animal called a thylacine. Do you know what that is?

Yeah, that's the wit. Not a werewolf.

It's like a werewolf.

Yeah.

Tasmanian tiger.

Okay.

Other name for it. Yeah. So you know, I've gone to Tasmania and tracked it there. Not found anything. I've gone to Australia twice and looked for it there. Not found anything. And because that used to range like 4000 years ago all the way from New Guinea, Papua New Guinea Australia and Tasmania, there are still ongoing reports from, like, tribes and villages of striped dogs and all these things in Papua New guinea. So that's the area that I think needs the biggest exposure. And we have this whole plan put together, 300 trail cameras, the whole thing, to, like, go out and do a big survey to find this thing in western Papua. So that's like the white whale, right? That's the top of the charts. But it's funny because that animal has now developed a somewhat, like, bigfoot demeanor. It's from Australia. Right. Australians are crazy. So they're all like. They see it like they're Bigfoot. So it's a bummer because it's not a made up cryptid thing, it's a legit animal.

Right.

Just it. Nobody's seen one since. Since the. I don't know, 50 years or whatever it is.

That's crazy.

There's one in the national zoo in Hobart.

Yeah, yeah. Hobart, Tasmania. They had one named Benjamin.

Yeah. So this is, like, a legitimate animal and.

Oh, yeah.

And people. When was the last sighting of it?

I mean, record confirmed sighting.

Yeah.

Was like twelve years. It was like seven or eight years after Benjamin died, whatever, that year. That is the one in the zoo, but unconfirmed. Probably yesterday. Right?

Yeah.

All these, like, australian rednecks out there in the middle of the country going, I saw one. It ate my sheep. They don't sound like that, but. Yeah, yeah. So there's reports coming in all the time.

That's fascinating.

So how do you do that, if you. If you wanted to go to Papua New guinea and find the thylacine? What's your strategy? How do you. How do you go about finding an animal that nobody's seen?

Well, it depends on the. Each of these things is unique, right. Looking for a snail versus looking for a tasmanian tiger. Two very different surveys and structures and everything else. For this, we need a big group of people. It's like a three week trek into the area that we want to go. Then we'd establish a base camp. We'd spread out from there and do baited cameras, drone surveys, sound traps, all kinds of different technology for up to, like, three months, and then collect all the data and go through it. And some of that's actual trapping, some of that sitting in blind. Some of it's just, you know, remote cameras, trail cameras, things like that. So it's a big to do to put it all together, but we have some real hot tips from that region.

Have you ever. That. I mean, that sounds incredible. What goes beyond what goes on behind, like, trying to find an animal like that. Have you ever had a luck where you've just shown up and seen it, like, day one?

Oh, yeah. So the biggest find we've ever had is this Fernandina island tortoise, which is. It's literally the rarest animal in the world. There's only one known living individual. It's the one that we found. And before that, they'd only ever seen one before 114 years ago. Right. And we. It's funny because somewhat controversial, but I remember talking to the government in the galapagos and being like, hey, we're gonna go look for that. And the guy literally, like, laughed at me. Like, you're what? A clown, basically? Right? Like, sure. Permit approved. Go, like, knock yourself out. Right? Like, quit wasting my time. And we went there and we found it on day three.

What?

Yeah, and we, like, had, like, a whole, like, massive survey. We're gonna cover the island, blah, blah, blah, blah. We were just hiking.

Was it swimming or on the land?

No, it was on land. We, like, came over this little, like, lava rock ridge into this green area, and we're like, there's tortoise poop. Five minutes later, we're like, there's the tortoise.

Holy.

It was like, you know, I'm getting goosebumps thinking about. But I literally, like, dove on it. Like it was a cheetahe was a tortoise. And I just picked it up and was like, holy shit. Holy shit. You know, like the rarest animal in the world.

And how old was that tortoise?

Probably around 70, 80 years old.

Wow.

Yeah.

Fox turtle here. His name's Mister Pear.

Yeah.

He's the only of his kind because he's the only gambling turtle.

We're gonna go wrestle him after the show.

Okay.

Yeah.

I was in the galapagos, this was, like, twelve years ago, and I did this big tour, and we had a local guy that was showing us around every day. And so on day four, we were there. He was like, this is gonna be my favorite day of the tour. You're gonna meet lonesome George.

Yes.

The last of, right, yeah. What was he? A Pinta island tortoise?

Exactly.

Right.

Yep.

He's like the last of his kind. Some people said he was 80. Some people said he was, like, 170 years old and everything. In the galapagos, there's just flags and merch that you can buy everywhere. With lonesome George's face on it, or his body. And so I'm all. I'm psyched. And we're getting down from the beach, he's driving us back in this little jeep, and then he pulls over to the side of the road because he's getting a call, and he starts to cry, and he's like, lonesome George just died. He died probably 8 hours before I was gonna.

No way.

Bummed out. But now I'm thinking, like, maybe there's another lonesome George out there.

Well, there is. It's our tortoise fern. Right. And she's the one, like, it's a different species of Fernandina versus the pizza, but. So the tortoise we found lives in lonesome Joel George's old enclosure.

Oh, cool.

He lives right there at the fossil arena breeding center now.

So now do you have to find a male to.

That's the goal. Yeah, not. So I handed that over to the Galapagos government. Like, I'm like the hide and seek king, right? They just bring me in to find it, and then I roll out. And they've unfortunately conducted three or four more trips trying to find another one and not succeeded. So they're. They're continuing to try. I wish them the best, but so.

Far, no, there's got to be girl out there.

Got to be.

Got. It can't be a sausage fest. So it was to get this. If they were to find a female tortoise.

Yeah.

And introduce it to that habitat, then you run to the second problem. Right. Because tortoises, they don't really like to fuck that much.

So the one we found is actually a female. So they're looking for a male.

Okay.

If they got to be horny, he hasn't.

Yeah.

You'd buy himself in the woods for.

Probably a hundred years. I want to get his rocks off. So. Yeah. No, I mean, if they found him and put them together, I think it would probably happen. And the truth is that you, because they're all pretty closely related, you could probably take any male tortoise of any of the other species and put it in there, and it would probably happen. But that'll obviously muddy the gene pool. Right. It's its own species. So, um, I hope they find a male. I really do. We saw evidence of another one, like, two or 3 miles from the one we found. So I think there are maybe some more individuals on that island.

What's that feeling like when you see something that people thought was going off the face of the earth? What's the rush?

The first time it happened, I actually didn't believe it was happening, and I was sitting on a bus in Zanzibar, looking at reviewing thousands of trail cameras. Footage, right, trail cameras. Like a game camera you put out in the woods. And I was like, clip, clip, clip, clip, clip. And you don't film me reviewing every clip because the odds of finding something are nearly nothing, right? All of a sudden, I clicked, and I saw this. This leopard just walk across the camera frame. And I, like, looked around. I was like, this can't be real. And I clicked it again, clicked it again, clicked again. And then I threw my laptop off, ran over, headbutted my sound guy. Swear to God. Like, I literally, like, blacked out. Like, I just lost control. Pull the bus over. Pull the fucking bus. If somebody thought I was, like, dying, you know what I mean? I just, like, freaked out. I might have pissed myself. I'm not even sure. But, no, I didn't. But it was, you know, I just, like, lost control. Like, I couldn't actually believe it had happened. And then, you know, since then, we've found a lot of really rare stuff, so I'm starting to get slightly more used to it.

But the rush never goes away.

Yeah.

Like, imagine it's the rarest thing in the world. Like, for me, you know, to find that, to me, is there's no greater accomplishment.

Yeah.

What about here in North America, in the United States? Are there any animals that have been labeled extinct that you think maybe still exist?

Yeah, there's one that. Did you guys have colossal, the de extinction company on one of the barstool shows? I think you did Ben Lamb.

He might have been on one of the shows.

Yeah. Not yours, but one of the shows. I think he was on a barstool thing, but I'm working with him at colossal biosciences, and we're putting together a survey to potentially go look for the Florida rainbow snake, which is a snake that's only been seen, like, two or three times. Lives, like, under the mud, under the water. So really hard to find. Right. And I don't think one's been seen confirmed since the seventies. And South Florida rainbow snake? Yeah. So I think it's. I definitely think it still exists. I think it's still around. It's just a really elusive creature.

That's so cool.

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And then what were you doing? You were, you were in Illinois. You, you said you were swimming with the asian carp, which are. How does that happen, by the way, in the asian carp? Because people have probably seen the videos where they're jumping out of the rivers in the midwest and they're, they're very dangerous for like their invasive species people. I've seen videos where guys are shooting them with shotguns. Everyone's like, why would you kill these fish? Like, no, they actually kill them.

Yeah.

Explain how they got here, how it works, and then will they ever be gone for sure.

Yeah. So in Peoria, Illinois, on the Illinois River a couple places, but pr is like the hq of it. There are these invasive asian flying carp, okay? And what happens is these carp were introduced, I think, for food some 50 or 60 years ago. And because they have no natural predators here, like they do where they're from, their population has exploded to the point that they now make up something like 75% of the biomass in that river. So 75% of living organisms in that river are these carp. And I could show you guys some videos, but because their defense mechanism when they're startle is to jump, which is a very unique thing among fish. You can drive a boat through these schools of fish, and all of a sudden, what looks like this beautiful, placid piece of river erupts with 10,000 fish flying into, like, 15ft into the air. So we just started a YouTube channel about a year ago, which is just a fun thing, like something we were gonna try out because, you know, I've been on tv a long time, but tv's kind of on its way out, like cable tv. So we're like, let's start a YouTube channel.

And we decided to go to Peoria to look at the invasive flying carp for our YouTube channel. And we're filming, and we did some hilarious stuff. I was getting towed around in an inner tube with 10,000 fish jumping at like, 40 miles an hour. I'm covered in bruises. I don't even know if you could.

See them fish smacking into so hard.

Dude, I thought I was gonna get knocked out. I took one to the dick. It was terrible. Like, I couldn't breathe for like 20 minutes. It was like jackass level ridiculousness, but it was super fun. And so, yeah, so we were there trying to promote that people should go out and harvest these things and try and bring their numbers down.

Yes. So do. Will they ever be able to get these numbers down? Like, I assume they shock the river every now and then.

They do.

They do, yeah. So they put out these big plates, shock the river, zap these whole schools of fish. And there have been, like, a government level effort at eradicating them for, I think, five or six years now. And according to, like, our guy who was driving the boat, who was with us from this Peoria carp hunters, he said it's gone down substantially. Like it used to be. The whole river was exploding. So it sounds like they're. They're knocking it down. The problem is these things can spawn. An individual carp can spawn a million eggs multiple times a year. So the likelihood of getting rid of them, I would say, is zero. You'll never get rid of it.

And how did they get there? They just. Someone brought one over. Like, how does that work with a.

Million eggs being spawned? All you need is one pregnant one to get in the river.

And that's it.

Right? And it's an exponential growth. So it's like, okay, there's a million eggs. Maybe only 100,000 survive, or maybe 10,000 survive. But then that 10,000 reproduces a million each, another 10,000 each. You know what I mean? So it's exponential growth and they're still not at capacity. Like if the commercial efforts to remove them stop, probably go from 75% of the biomass to 99% of the.

Wow, that's crazy. Are they, can you at least eat them?

You can. They're okay. I'll be honest, I wish they were tasty. That would solve the problem if they were salmon.

Yeah.

It'd be no issue.

Right? Are they fun to catch?

Oh, they're so much fun to catch.

Okay.

Cause you're shooting them out of the air with bows and you're on this inner tube with a net and you.

Catch them with a rod. Like, are they, do they, will they bite?

Like. Oh, they won't because they're filter feeders. So they're actually eating plankton in the water. They're going through and like slurping up everything. Everything. Kind of like a whale shark. Like gill rakers and stuff. I mean, you could probably snag them with a hook or something, but they're not actually trying to eat. So you have to come up with these outrageous other methods to catch them. And I'll tell you, it is wild. Like, it's really fun just going on.

Like, I don't know, water skis with a baseball bat.

Done. No problem.

Away. As they jump in there.

You can absolutely do that.

That would be a good fancy football punishment actually. Just having somebody in an inner tube just get dragged around the river for like 3 hours. Just walloped with.

If you set that up, I will take your guy who loses at fantasy and get his butt kicked by car.

No problem, into his face.

Yeah.

What about the mexican grizzly bear? Yeah, that's an interesting. Because it's like a silver bear, right? It's not, it's not white, it's not brown. It's got like a silver.

Exactly. Right. Yeah. They called it, I'm going to butcher it. But it's like oso platito, like platinum bear. And it meant the silver bear. And so grizzlies used to roam, you know, now we think of grizzlies, we think of Alaska, whatever. Right. Way up north. They used to roam all through North America, down into Mexico. And Mexico had its own subspecies, which was the Mexican grizzly, the silver. Silver grizzly bear in the seventies. I want to say the last there was one in a zoo somewhere, and there it died. And it was like, oh, that's the end of the species. Then, 14 years later, a mexican hunter shot one and brought it into town. So the species hung on 14 years after we thought it would have gone extinct. And it was a big, beautiful, silvery bear. And the region that it lives in is still a pretty remote, like, mountainous region, and there are still farmers going, oh, something came down last night and took my livestock. It's definitely not a puma, you know, so there's. There's, like, a faint shred of hope that it's still out there.

And that's in. Is that in, like, cartel country?

Oh, yeah.

So that makes it a little bit more dangerous to go hunting for. It'd be tough to explain to the Zetas, like, no, I'm just looking for a bear.

I think you could still do it. You know what I mean? That's the thing. So I go down to Baja a lot, and I run into cartel guys quite regularly, and they're the nicest guys, you know, I'm not saying they're nice outside of when you're having an interaction, but as long as you don't go and get in their way. You know what I mean? They're not getting in your way kind of thing. Like, don't cross any lines. Don't be an idiot. Just be polite and respectful. I think you could probably pull it off, but it is very, like, deep in the heart of where all the turmoil is.

Yeah, these. I mean, I love all these stories about all these different animals. Give me another one that's a scary animal that you've been, like, close to. The polar bears. I can't wait to hear how that goes.

It'll be fun.

But what's another? Like, whether it be a gorilla, snake. I mean, I were pussies. We're city guys, right? I talk a lot of shit on animals. Being like, I could take down a bear, knowing that I'll never face one.

I mean, let's give ourselves some credit. There was. There was an instance when we were out in southern California playing Frisbee.

True.

And a coyote walked right past.

I was ready.

Take it.

And.

Yeah.

And we just yelled at the coyote. We're like, come back here. Get some, bitch.

Nice.

And the coyote stopped and looked at me, and then I was like, no, you can keep walking.

And. Well, you thought he looked at you like, I'm not messing with them. He looked at you like, and just kept going, yeah.

You think I could take a coyote?

I do. Think you could take a pretty scrawny. You're a big guy.

Yeah, I think I fucked coyote up.

Yeah.

The best is it walks away from us and then we're like, yeah, walk. Walk away, bitch. Like, making us feel like we scared it off.

Yeah.

We had a pug with us, so we didn't want the pug to get attacked.

He would have eaten the pug for sure. For sure. Another scary critter, right?

Yeah. Or animal that you've gotten really close to or seen that's, like, majestic.

One of the hardest things we've ever done, which to me is still one of my greatest accomplishments, is two or three years ago, we performed the largest elephant translocation in history. So we put together. It's a crazy story. I, like, sold this whole tv show and I took all the resources from the show and put it into this one conservation thing. So then the rest of the season was kind of fucked. But it was awesome because it was so worth it because I got a call from a buddy of mine from zimbabwe from when my childhood goes forest. It's so tragic. There's this herd of 24 elephants that they're going to shoot right outside the city of Maputo because they're running through villages and they're killing people and they're squashing crops and everybody's angry with them. There's nothing we can do. And I was like, what do we need to do? He's like, we need, like, a big chunk of money and we can catch them and move them to this national park that's 300 miles away. I was like, give me a week. And I, like, called in every favor, every resources, got all this money, went there, flew into Mozambique, and I won't bore you with all the specifics, but literally, like, three helicopters, four semi trucks, two crane trucks, a crew of 60 people, like this huge operation, and successfully tranquilized, captured, loaded onto flatbeds, loaded into containment trucks, and transported 24 elephants without losing a single.

Wow.

Yeah. And there was some crazy stuff there because, you know, you're in a helicopter, you're darting an elephant, then you have three minutes from when you hit it till the tranquilizer takes effect and it falls to the ground. So you have to get three minutes, you have to try and herd it with your helicopter. Then the second it hits the ground, you jump out, you run over. Elephants suffocate if they don't breathe through their trunks, so if they land on their trunk, they're dying. So you have three minutes to rip its trunk out from it. To let it breathe, to keep it stable. Then you cut a road in like literally hand cut a road in. Incomes a semi truck with a crane that lifts it up, puts it on a flatbed, then moves it into a conveyor belt truck that moves it into a transport truck.

Holy shit.

It was insane, man. And we're like, there's a clip of me in one of these shows where we hit one of the babies but the dart doesn't go in all the way and it's trying to stay around its mom. So it's like freaking out and I have to run over and like tackle this thing to the ground to try and like put it down and then give it more tranquilizer. And there's elephants all around, there's helicopters overhead. It was insane. But at the end of the day, the, the part of it that was so magical to me was it was all like this blur of adrenaline and craziness. And like my one cameraman nearly died when an elephant kicked over a door and it nearly crushed him. Like, it was insane. But then we got there like 40 hours drive. And we get there and we open the doors and out go these elephants in this protected national park. And literally the last one like runs out, looks back and trumpets like a thank you.

Yeah.

And then runs off into the bush and we're like, they're gonna live like they're safe. It was just such a rewarding thing to do.

That's so cool.

Great feeling.

Yeah, it really was.

How long do you think you could make it just doing a nine to five job? Like if you were an accountant? You woke up tomorrow and you're like, okay, you gotta commute 45 minutes each way. You're gonna work in this cube and.

Go home maybe three days. Yeah, yeah, I think I'd be on really good behavior for the first day. Like pretty cranky the second day and undeniably get fired on the third day.

Did you ever think about like when you graduate from college? I don't know how your career went right after graduation, but for a lot of people there's like a little in between time where you don't know if your desired career, the one that you really want to do, is going to work out. And you're like, oh, maybe I'll just take a job because I need money. I got to have a place to live. I got to have food. Like, was there a moment where you thought like, okay, maybe I will just try to do something corporate for a little bit.

For sure. Yeah, I got out of college and I was. I was working as a biology field tech, making, like, $12 an hour, and I, like, moved up the ladder in that because I was good at it. Like, I go out way harder, way longer than everybody else because I loved being outside. But what's so shitty about the sciences in that field? The better you get, the less time you spend in the field now. It's like, oh, man, you're really good at this. Move into the office, start writing ground proposals, manage a team. And so I started moving up, and I literally. I remember the day I walked into my boss Morgan's office, and I was like, I want to go back to being a tech. He's like, you'll make half your salary. I was like, I don't care. I just rather be outside doing stuff than doing this. And he's like, okay, I guess, like, it's terrible for everybody, but if you want. And he, like, didn't understand it, I'm like, I don't want to be sitting in an office writing grant proposals. Like, I want to be out in the field. So, yeah, I mean, I was on that ladder, you know, and then the tv thing happened, and it was a full pivot.

Yeah.

It's like, the farther up you get, the more disconnected you get from the.

Actual work, which shouldn't. Isn't that fucked up? Yeah, because that's the opposite of how it should be. If you're an expert in adventure or wildlife or sciences or whatever, you should have to be working with the thing all the time to say that you're an expert on it. And what's crazy is, especially in the sciences, in the bio, in the biological sciences, the further up the chain you get, the less time you get to actually interact and be observational with the creature.

Yeah. I mean, it happens in sports all the time with coaches where it's like, oh, this guy's a great, you know, defensive line coach, and he's so good. He's now a defensive coordinator. Now he's head coach. He can't coach this position the way he used to.

100. Yeah, I'm a big rugby guy. Like Razzie Erasmus, the head coach of the Springboks. He sits in a box watching them all coach. And that. That's, like, mandated by world rugby, and it's like, he's the best coach it's ever existed. He should be on the pitch. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. What big cat describes why we don't have Jim Tom Sulla's anymore.

Yeah.

Just got elevated to the point of incompetence.

Yeah.

Right? Yeah.

And then now hands tied down on. Yeah.

Messed up, man. It doesn't make any sense.

How long. I know you did the naked and afraid, but how long could you survive if we just dropped you? Was it forever?

I mean, you know, I. Survival for me is like, it's a means to an end, you know? And what I mean by that is I'm by no means the greatest survivalist or anything like that that's ever done it. Probably 99% of the people that have done shows like naked afraid survivor are better at it than I am.

Yeah.

I just have a different mentality. I'm. I like it. I think fun. I'm not the guy that breaks down and cries about how hungry he is. I'm like, I don't know, I'll just go find some food. So, like, I have a different mentality, but I don't have the technical skills that most of these survivalists got it. Like, I can rub sticks together and make a fire because I've done it a handful of times out of necessity. I don't. I'm not a weekend warrior. Spends every Saturday training and prepping and, you know, figuring out little fish hooks and stuff like that. Like, I. I'm more focused on the wildlife sciences.

Yeah.

So with the. The polar bear thing, what. What's your goal for the polar bear expedition? What are you trying to do?

Yeah, so we're filming it for the YouTube that I mentioned. And the goal is to show people that they aren't mindless killing machines, you know, like, they are really cool animals. So we're doing it on foot, like as a walking safari, walking up on polar bears. And, you know, I don't want to say anything before it's happened, but the goal is to be not interactive because we don't want to disturb them, but close enough in proximity to show, like, look at this. These giant white bears. They know we're here. They're choosing not to kill us or eat us, and we're just sitting here observing them.

So is there a chance you could be wrong?

Well, yeah, there's.

You just walk by and they just. All of them charge you.

That would not be good. Yeah, that would not be good. I. You know, I'm working with the. So we're doing this in Manitoba, Canada. I'm working with their travel board. I have a feeling there'll be a guy there with bear spray and a rifle and, you know, all that kind of stuff. But, you know, we're going to. They've done it before. To be clear the toba travel, and we are going to test the boundaries of distance and everything else. So, you know, they'll be a little give and take. Yeah.

I mean, that's kind of scary to be, like, wrong. You're not killing machines. And they're like, no, we are.

Oh, wait a minute. Well, I'll tell you this. If I said that about crocodiles, and I'll get some hate from some of my close friends. Alligators, american crocodile, sure. But if you say they're not mindless killing machines, about crocodiles, like Nile crocs or saltwater crocs, they absolutely. They're mindful killing machines. Like they're intentionally trying to figure out how to kill you.

Yeah, you did. Didn't you, like, swim? Did you do something where you put, like, crocodile? You wore basically, crocodile armor?

Yeah, yeah.

Can you explain that?

Yeah, sure thing. So we went down to this place in Central America with american crocodiles, crystal clear water, and I designed the suit that had electro receptive blocking technology. It's called a hex suit. It's kind of like what's in the door of your microwave. You know, you could stare a microwave without frying your brain. And so it had that technology in it. But then to go one step further, we made it all crocodile print and theme and colors and stuff with the idea of it being, like, biomimicry. Like, look like a croc, act like a croc, and maybe the crocs won't eat you. And then we hopped in the water and dove with these crocodiles. And it was. It worked. Like, we didn't.

They didn't bother you?

So, look, I'll be honest. I don't think you see this in the little film we made, but I had a broomstick with me for the first, like, day and a half, and every time they get too close, I'd put the broomstick between me and the crocs and be like, look like you just can't approach me. And then after doing that and conditioning them a little bit, they were like, okay, this thing that I think I'm gonna go investigate is, like, a wooden stick. Like, I'm gonna leave it alone. So then I was able to leave the stick alone and actually, like, swim and interact with them.

That's crazy.

So scary.

You're also kind of insane. No disrespect. I don't think.

I know.

I think it's very like that.

But to, like, put on a crocodile suit, maybe they'll think I'm a crocodile and then just swim around freely maybe may. I don't know. Like big cat said, we're kind of pussies, but when you're talking about animals that, like, might get a bad rapid, like, bad pr.

Yeah.

You're thinking maybe polar bears have been branded a little bit unfairly, sure. As mindless killing machines. I mean, they do kill and they have killed.

Yep.

But they don't kill for fun. They don't for sport, maybe. What are some other animals out there that you think have a bad pr team?

I think none go more so than sharks.

Yeah.

Like, sharks have the worst pr, especially, like, Florida. It's like another shark attack. Like, don't come to the beaches. Right.

The news loves it.

The news loves it. And I know because I speak on the news about this pretty, pretty often, I'm always trying to say the same thing, which is, like, sharks just being a shark. Anytime you enter into the ocean, you are signing a mental waiver of like, hey, I'm going into something else's domain. It's the only time, especially in, like, North America, where we're not at the top of the food chain. If you're swimming in the ocean off the coast of North America, you are no longer the apex. Right. There are things above you in the food chain that can. That can eat you, and you just have to be okay with that. And sharks aren't trying to eat you. They're. Most of the time they're coming around doing what's it called, an investigatory bite where they're just going, is this food bite? Because that's how they taste something go, oh, yuck, I don't like cumin. It's gross, you know, and that's it. But that bite is enough to kill people. So that's the problem.

Is there a thing? Because it does feel like we'll just hear about, oh, yeah, this is a bad summer for sharks, right? Is that real or is it just.

When's the last summer? That wasn't a bad summer for true?

You know, it's always the summer of the sharks.

There was that one. I actually went on vacation right by, I think it was on the panhandle in Florida. There was that little vero. Yeah. Rosemary beach and all that stuff. There was that stretch where it was like a two week stretch where.

That's right.

Three or four people were bitten. And it was like, what's going on down here?

So there's an interesting thing happening that most people probably don't realize. One is you might have heard about this this year, like the water in Florida. Was, like, 91 degrees in, like, may, right? The water was, like, too hot. So when that happens, it speeds up the shark's metabolism. So when they get warmer, they need to eat more. Now, at the same time, when the sea gets too warm, all the bait fish disappear. They go really deep. So now you've got a bunch of hungrier sharks because their metabolisms are sped up looking for food more. More than they regularly would. More hungry than they regularly are in the dead of summer, when everybody's going to the beach. So it's just this, like, confluence of situations where it's like, I'm hungry, I'm looking for food. And then you have guys, like, splashing in the water, playing football, you know, or a chick with, like, some jewelry on or something, like shiny things. And the sharks are just like, oh, that could be bait. Boom. And they go and bite it. And that's the problem. It's like, they're not attacking.

They're literally just thinking that it's food.

They're just hoping. They're like, oh, is this a food? Oh, no, it's not gross, you know, but a shark can't, like, pick it up and touch it and go, oh, no, this isn't good. Like, their way of figuring that out is a nip.

Then they nip in there, like, my bad.

Yeah.

And then leading to death.

Yeah. So people are getting shark bit by sharks are not even being, like, fully bit by sharks.

No, they're being tasted. Yeah.

My God.

Yeah, it's an appetizer. What about the inverse of that? Is there any animal that has a great pr team that is secretly kind of an asshole and dangerous?

Pandas.

Oh, dude. Panda way.

They're dumb as shit. They will hand you. You could google this. If you go to a panda in captivity and it has a baby and it's nurturing its cute little baby, and you put out an apple, it will hand you its baby and take the apple. Swear to God. Nobody talks about this. They're dumb as shit. They're mean. They're parents. They're bad moms. Yeah. And we're like, oh, the panda. It's like the symbol for WWE videos.

Where they're rolling around and looking dumb because they're dumb.

They got the easy street of pr, man. It's crazy.

That's all.

They are cuddly, though.

They're adorable. Yeah.

So I had one last question. Has been awesome. It's great to have you stop by the robot question Rho bhk.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Cusips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code take. So what animal do we need even more people? We have a colleague who's very funny. His name's Nick. And he has theory that more kids should have octopus as their favorite animal, that they just have a really bad. They're just not in children's books. But an octopus is, like, the coolest animal.

So smart.

They're so smart. One of the guys on my. My podcast is convinced that they're aliens.

Right.

He believes it full heartedly. This guy, Peter on the wild times.

Well, you never see it in there. Never in. But, you know, you got foxes, nothing. Pandas, you got sharks.

You know, they got the tentacles, and it's like there's always the scary music playing.

Right up, straight up. No, I love it. I think it's a great call. I think octopus are insanely intelligent. They can change the color of the skin, the texture of their skin. They can hide in anything. They can make a clamshell their home. They're epic predators. Like, they can go out and catch something with video of one of them.

Catching a shark the other day.

It's insane, right? They just reach out and grab it, pull it in. Yeah. They're awesome. I think more kids. I agree with Nick. I think more kids.

Okay.

Have an octopus as their favorite.

Okay.

That doctor book, the. The octopus teacher.

Yeah.

Blew my mind.

It's crazy.

I think I made friends with an octopus.

Straight up. Yeah.

They were just buddies, and they'd hang out every.

Just pals. It shows you that level of, like, cognitive intelligence where the octopus was like, oh, yeah, this is like an actual friend to me, and it's. It's benefiting me to have this relationship.

Yeah. Yeah.

They're the best.

Yeah.

I love octopus. What about, um. What about Orca? Where do they stand? Do they have a good pr team or bad pr team?

I think generally pretty bad, because especially recently, right. They're knocking over boats and stuff.

Yeah.

Until that, orcas have never actually hurt or killed anyone in the wild. All those orchid deaths have been in captivity. It's.

Yeah, we know of that we know.

Of that we know of.

Maybe they're actually just the best at covering it up.

Like the Zodiac. Yeah.

Yeah. True Zodiac. Orca.

Yeah.

A good movie. But, yeah, I think that, you know, people are really scared of orcas, and rightfully so. Like, I've dove in with orcas, and it's the only animal, and I might. I might have a different answer to this after the polar bears, it's the only animal I've ever been around where I feel completely useless. Like, if that orca wants to eat me, if wants to smack me with his tail, wants to do anything, there's nothing I can do. You're in the water with a big shark. You swim at it, you, like, show aggressive body language. The sharks like, whoa. You know, you're in the water with an orca, it's like you're a rag doll. Like, whatever they want to do, they're going to do. So I think that they probably get, like, a pretty bad rap overall, but for the most part, they, until until recently, I guess, they don't want to have anything to do with us.

Yeah.

Speaking of orcas, there was a situation last summer, I don't know if you're familiar with it, but there was an orca that was in Florida that was, like, kind of on her last leg. She wasn't doing well in captivity. The owner of the Colts, Jim Merce, was gonna pay, like, $3 million to fly it across the country and then put it in. I forget which body of water.

Let her go, though.

Yeah, let her go. Basically, let her go into, like, a very large but contained area. Yeah, it's, like, natural area.

I remember that.

How would you transport an orca? How can you fly an orca?

So they're like a lot of marine mammals, as long as they stay hydrated and wet, because they're air breathing, they're actually okay. So this is a bad analogy, but, you know, you can see a turtle crossing the road, and you're like, oh, there's a turtle. Right? Like, it should be in water. It's fine as long as it's wet and, you know, stays like that. So same thing with an orca. You can transport them. They don't have to be in a tank of water. They just have to be wet and hydrated. And so I imagine with that instance, you'd probably have in some kind of a containment, but you'd pick up that container, fly it, and land it, and it's not like it'd be a giant fish tank. It would just need to be wet.

So you just put a big whale onto a giant plane and essentially have a bunch of hoses that spray the.

Orb, hoses, wet blankets kind of thing, you know, towels. Just keeping it really hydrated and wet water in its mouth, and then move.

It, because our producer, Hank said that it couldn't be done. He said, you can't move whale.

He's wrong. He knows nothing.

Well, Forrest, thank you so much for stopping by. It was awesome to have you back on the show again. Also awesome, because people are gonna hear this for the first time.

Yeah.

And. And everyone go check out his YouTube channel. And I'm excited to see the polar bears.

Thanks, buddy.

I. Be safe.

I will. I promise. We'll talk about it next time.

Yes. I hope so.

When is he coming out?

Probably three or four weeks.

Okay.

Yeah.

Can you text me when you get home safely?

Yes, I will text you.

Boys, are your parents ever concerned?

Are they like, I don't tell. I don't tell them anymore.

Yeah, it's kind of like us. We don't tell our parents.

No, no. Our podcast, we're all black sheep.

All right. Thanks so much, force.

Thanks, boys.

Appreciate it.

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Okay. It's time the Mount Rushmore reduel to decide who loses Mount Rushmore season. How we got here. If you missed the duel on Tuesday, PfT won on the votes. And then we found out there was maybe some graphic things that happened. I actually, for people who are saying Hanks or loser, I do not think he was ready. He was ready to take the loss. PFT's decision to redo, it's my choice. So I do not think Hank was in the wrong whatsoever. There also, when you look back, there were some. Max asked specifically what should be on the graphic, and that did change. So I think we're fair.

For a redo, there are irregularities.

Yeah.

And I accept that. I'm happy. I am happy to abide by the outcome of this redo.

So for the redo, let's. We will. Max will say, what do you want on the graphic? And that will. There will be no changes. Is that fair?

It's fair.

Not a single change from the words you want on the graphic, Hank?

Yep.

Okay. All right, so it's going to be a one Mount Rushmore redoul. Before we do it, we have the hat with the punishments, so you guys can pick. And this is actually fun, because whoever ends up winning this will not have to do the punishment they picked, which is going to be a great cancelation. There's four punishments in here. There is LeBron's points, there's winning. And Natty, in NCAA 25, there is running a marathon, and there is a nine darter.

Doing a marathon.

Doing a marathon. Yeah. Do. You're right.

Doing a marathon, leading a marine.

A marathon, completing 26.2 miles. If I go on in one setting.

If I complete the marathon, can I not tell people about it?

Well, you're gonna stream it, so as.

Long as I don't actually say that word, I ran a marathon. Yeah.

All right, so. And you both get a veto. So if you. If you. If you get. If you pick one that you do not want to do, you can then just take it out of the hat.

Okay. Okay. Who picks first?

If you use your veto, you can't be like, oh, but actually, I want to do that. That's fair.

Yep.

Who would like to go first?

I'll go first.

PfT is taken from the hat. Pft. What is your pick?

My pick is LeBron scoring record.

I would veto that if I were you.

How long do you think it's going to take?

I think it will take you, like, four days.

How many points could that guy have scored?

All right, quick math. How many threes did we say he hit?

Well, he scored zero points in college.

How many threes has LeBron James hit? How many threes do you think you could hit in a minute? Pft, two. Two in a minute. So just the threes. So that would be okay. So just the threes would take you 2.5. We're gonna go with two, and we'll just see. Just the threes would take you 20 hours.

Who. And that's not a minute. And that's.

You could hit more than two in a minute, though.

I'm.

All right, let's say. Let's say you could hit five in a minute.

Okay.

Five in a minute would be hours ish.

So we just put an impossible thing on one of the punishments, because no one was ever doing this, if that's what you're saying.

Well, no, you can shoot. You could shoot threes. That would take you 8 hours if you had five a minute. I mean, Hank, you could probably hit ten threes a minute. So that would take you 4 hours. Like, I think you could do it, Hank. I don't know. Is it?

And that's total. That's just his justice threes. Okay.

Yeah, it's just layups.

Yeah. Then it's just layups and free throws.

Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna repay.

Okay. What pick do you have there?

I got marathon.

Oh, okay. So PFT will be completing a marathon if he loses.

Give me back.

Wait, when is said marathon?

Whenever I'd say. I'd say it has to be within the next three months. Is that fair?

It's on the Chicago marathon.

Well, we were saying we could do it, but I don't know if you can enter at this point.

I would almost rather more hoops to go through. I would rather do the marathon. That's, like, two weeks from now. Three weeks from now, then to have to wait three months.

Yeah.

Have that over my head.

So you want to say within a.

Month, I'll try to do the Chicago marathon if I lose.

Okay. Yeah. So. So let's say by the Chicago Marathon, whether it be doing it on your own or doing the actual Chicago marathon.

Yeah. Because I don't want to have to spend, like, three months actually training for marathon.

Correct.

The worst part is.

That's perfect. Chicago marathon is Sunday, October 13.

Okay.

So you have to have completed a marathon by the end of Sunday, October 13. And you can do it. You could do it. We could do a stream, or you could actually run it. We would have to find someone who would run in front of you with the backpack.

Okay.

Hank, one. Henry has picked.

Nine darters.

I would veto that if I were you.

Well, it's. So we're not gonna do regulation length. We've. We've established that it'd be a fair.

Length, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna do it.

Wow.

Now I want Hank.

Yes.

I didn't want to do, like, a marathon would kill me.

So what exactly is it? Nine daughter again?

It's a 180 points, and nine throws.

So you have to make nine darts as triple twenties.

No, no, you.

You can. You can do it in any order, right? Is there multiple ways to get a nine darter? Yeah, so, yeah.

Oh, okay. I thought it was nine triple 20.

Oh, no, wait. No, no, no. It's. It's. Oh, my God. It's even worse. It's 501 points and nine darts.

Oh, my God.

There's a. There's a bunch of different combinations, but.

You have to get exactly 501.

Yeah.

Who.

Yeah, yeah, there's. There's. There's a bunch of combinations. You get three twenties.

Those seem like they might be doable.

And then there's also three twenties. 319s in a bullseye. Because.

What were the. It was marathon.

Wait, is it.

Is it a. It's three triple twenties. Yeah. Yeah. It's not just three twenties. So we would. We would come up with a fair distance. It would not be the regulation distance, and we've established that it would be a distance that is fair to having it be a possibility. So you're gonna keep it because.

What's the third one besides all college football? Yeah, that you could do.

Glitch plays, but I don't want you.

I don't want to risk it. I don't want to risk. Yeah, I don't want to risk getting marathon or LeBron.

I mean, the nine darter would be electric.

Yeah.

Like, you getting a nine darter would be an absolute.

And I think the physical toll on my body.

Yeah. You might actually end up just getting really good at darts. Yeah.

Which. That's a bonus.

Okay. And then should we just say for. For fairness that you have to do the nine darter before October 13 as well?

That's fine.

All right.

Okay.

Okay.

And if I don't get. If I lose and I don't get into the Chicago marathon, for whatever reason.

You'Ll just run it?

I will run an alternate marathon.

Yeah. Yeah, I know.

I think it'll be.

And then I'm gonna bike around the entire island of Manhattan.

I will as well. And then we're gonna eat shit if Florida State loses their next game.

Yeah. That fucking coward.

It's crazy.

What a coward. That I ate shit for the Capitals, and it wasn't even. It was after a win.

Yeah. This also just reminds me that when I pick my pinky team this year, I mean, every year, it's in the back of my head, but just deactivate. Fucking cut off to my pinky. Okay. Are we ready to go, boys? We got to. Also odds or evens on the lottery ball. Decide who goes first.

Hank Audrevens.

Evens, please.

Hank has selected evens.

Pick a number two.

Hank.

I'm gonna take 840. And if you get it right, then you win. Yeah.

Three means three does not count. Oh, 43.

That would have been all time.

So. Pft. Would you like to go first?

I would like to go first, big cat.

Okay, so cut the timer up.

And we're doing a minute and a half.

Hank. You guys can take two minutes. Okay, here we go. We haven't started. I haven't said the topic yet. Two minutes. Okay, we're going to do. Because this Mount Rushmore season has been, been very fun and we were thinking about all the moments and what was the moment that stuck out the most? How did you say it on the graphic? Arguing about the color of cheese.

What color is cheese?

Yeah. What colors cheese? So we are going to do a color. We are going to do the Mount Rushmore of green. The boys are writing Mount Rushmore of green. I. What?

I'm just trying to think of who I. Who I want to do their punishment.

I think both. The both are great. I'm excited about both. I actually would have dreaded if one of them had landed on LeBron. I would have been like, this is actually not going to be possible.

Nine daughter could be.

Daughter would be electric.

But the nine daughter I like because it could be so long.

Or it could.

It could.

Yeah. He could just be incredibly.

Just be a beast.

The fact that there's multiple ways to get it to.

Yeah, but it's not like you can mess. Mess up.

No, you have to be perfect. But like, think about the stream and.

Having the shirt, like once he gets like the first five in a row.

Right.

It would be so good. I want the nine darter. The marathon would be funny, but the nine daughter could be like, the.

The nine darter is great just because it's.

You get the moment.

You get the moment. And you also get like, he'll have moments where he'll get seven in a row and then he's fucked up.

There'll be so many moments for them. Yeah.

I want the best man to win.

Yeah. The nine daughter. I want to watch the nine daughter show.

God. Either way, we've, we figured out. So next year we were talking about it. We'll do Mount Rushmore season. Kind of like rivalry week. We'll have dual week where we're all duel each other. So like, like Monday, like, I'll duel Hank. Max will duel. Pft. Tuesday. I'll or Wednesday. I'll duel. Hey. Or Max. Pft and Hank. So we'll do dual week. That will. It's like the in season tournament. Dual week will be electric.

Dole week will be electric. I fucking love the tool. I'm addicted to the door.

I just went to sleep being like.

I woke up in 9 seconds.

I know. I was like, little brawn meme. I can't believe this is my life. We're redoing. Do you guys need more time? Do you need.

Time is up.

I'm good.

Okay. Okay. And obviously I don't have to say this, but I'll say it. Just because we've had controversies, we're taping this, you know, at 1145, the polls not going up till two. Please, no funny business on Twitter with any tipping pics or anything.

I'm not gonna tweet anything. Oh, just to be safe.

Yes. Hank, you agree? No finny. Funny business. And then we will not. We will all not look at our phones from 02:00 to 03:00.

Yep.

And then we will find out live who has won the Mount Rushmore. Okay. Pft, you have first pick. What is your first selection for Mount Rushmore of green?

My first pick is going to be weed.

Whoa.

Taking weed right off the bat.

That wasn't my one one.

Marijuana, green leaf, reefer, jazz cigarettes, wacky to bacchi. Just weed on the graphic. Weed.

It's good for you on my graphic. I would just like the word cash.

Love that. That was my one one.

Cash is good.

Ash is.

Gosh.

Not money.

Some would say just cash.

We got to have this clear.

Some would say cash is king.

Cash money.

Cash money. Okay. Okay, that's smart. Smart. All right, so you have just weed, not marijuana.

I would like it on top of each other.

You want it? You want a marijuana or we.

Now I feel like I'm being coached into saying marijuana.

No, I've just asked.

I'm gonna stick with weed.

Okay. Weed. All right, great. That's a good one. I like it. I like it. I just want to. We're just making sure there's no issues when we get to the graphic, that whatever is said in these white lines is going to be put on the graphic and no changes.

That's fair.

Okay.

My second pick will be football field.

Mmm, good one.

I thought about doing sports fields.

No, football field.

Football field.

It's good pick.

That moment we talked about it, where you're walking through the concourse and you see the green through the cement.

It's good pick.

Strong charges.

Both boys have been making right. The right moves.

I gotta say, I'm deep in my own head, though, because I. I didn't even have cash on my list.

That was my one one.

Yeah. I mean, I actually.

We had the discussion two minutes.

Yeah.

Beforehand, we were like, we didn't want to pick a Mount Rushmore that had, like, a boobs or. Yeah. And we had the discussion. Is money too much of a one one? But listen, weed was a great pick. Hank, your second pick. Oh, no. The lights are kind of going out over here. The lights are kind of going out. There's another strong one out there.

I don't. I don't have a lot. Kelly Green jerseys.

Hmm. Okay.

Okay.

I'm gonna. I'm in a bad spot.

Okay. Okay. We were making the right picks until.

Then, but, yeah, I mean, it's tough. I got. I really don't have. I'm screwed.

Hank, I did have Kelly jerseys on my list, but it was way down there.

Yeah, no, I don't. I. My list is fucked.

All right.

Pft.

I'm gonna go with Ireland.

Mmmdhdemdev. Mmm. Okay.

What does that mean?

Ireland's green. The Emerald Isle. That's what they call it.

What would you like on the graphic?

Ireland.

Okay.

How is Ireland green?

I think we went. We went. We went. We went off. We went off the board here.

No, Ireland's a good pick. You're wrong about.

I was agree.

There's.

Explain.

Ireland is known as being a green island. Yeah, it's green. They call it the emerald.

I can't.

I can't speak because I don't want to. I don't want to have anything be changed or any. Anyone think of things. We'll. We'll discuss after. Henry, your third pick.

Are you out of picks?

I just don't have any good ones.

There's one that I thought Hank would have for sure.

Wow. This tense stands. The boys are stuck. Boys are stuck.

He's got.

Something happen. He had it. He had it.

Latch back onto that, Hank. Whatever that thought was.

Chase that.

I can chase that thought.

I can just feel the nerves.

Chase your thought.

Butterflies.

Chase the thought, Hank. Find it. You have a good draft going right now with cash.

Really don't.

Cash. Money's a great pick.

Four leaf clover.

Hmm. Okay. Okay. That's not terrible.

That's a pretty good. That's a pretty good pick for you.

Might be better than I.

You were gonna go disagree much worse.

All right, I think. I think this is gonna wrap it up for me. The green jacket.

Mmm. That's good pick the green. Really?

That's a really good pick. I didn't think of it, and it's really good.

Did not think that that was gonna last this long.

That's a good pick.

I can't believe you went Ireland over.

The green jacket, because if I knew that Hank didn't have the green jacket, because if he did, he would have said it earlier.

Yeah.

That wrapped it up. Congrats. Pft. I'll go with Nickelodeon slime.

Oh, I don't hate it.

Yeah, it's not a bad pick to just pull out of the air.

Yeah. So the reason why I was pushing back on Ireland. And so that's it. Final Nickelodeon slime. Okay. We were talking before I. St. Patrick's Day. Just picking St. Patrick's Day would have been a banger pick.

Yeah. I feel like Ireland.

I was waiting for that. Over Ireland.

Ireland contains St. Patrick's Day, but it's much, much more than that. I'm shocked.

Graphics. St. Patrick's Day would have been a huge hit.

I think Ireland, just as its own, is good. But, Hank, I am shocked that you took Kelly jerseys over Celtics uniforms.

I was trying not to tip.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I also figured you weren't gonna tip.

I had a j. Lo's dress. Remember that dress?

Oh, yeah. That was good. Was a great green dress.

Snakes.

Just snakes.

Yeah.

That's not a good pick. I'm just saying parrots. I'm just saying green things.

Parrots are good.

Avocados.

Yeah.

Hank, what are you writing?

I'm writing him. I'm writing them out.

You see, you're doing a manual graphic.

What else? What else did memes. Did you think any jacket.

I mean, I was a good pick.

Meme. Sorry about the jets, Mister Pear. Oh, yeah, Mister Pear.

Mister Pear would have been good. Crocodile. Dinosaur.

Dinosaurs are big. Miss. Yeah.

Dinosaur would have been good.

I was. I didn't want to. I was gonna be hot sauce all over again. But I was thinking, like. Like tropical. Tropical water. Tropical ocean water.

Yeah, that would.

But sometimes.

Oh, Shrek's a big mistake.

So great one. Damn. Shrek is a great one.

I think the Kelly green jerseys and the green. I don't know, maybe think Philly will show out watermelons. I also think the. The thing that if. Which. I don't think it really played any factor, like people voting for certain people, but you having weed and me having Kelly green jerseys might. And you having green jacket might, you know, sway people to think it's me, but I don't think that matters? I don't think that matters. Yeah.

Yeah.

Although, except for the hang ninja turtles.

Fucking dynamite Yoshi. That would have been.

I think I got a shot.

Cash money is a big one. It is.

That's a. That's a good one. What if I didn't leave?

Clover is a good counter to Ireland.

Yeah.

I would have taken it. Knowing what I know now, I would have taken cash money. One. One over weed.

Yeah. Yeah. I think it's gonna be.

I don't. I'm not.

Green jacket might be the one that. If you had gotten one other solid one. If you've gotten like Ninja Turtles.

Yeah, but football Kelly. Everyone loves the Kelly green jersey.

It's true. I'll stand up field.

Yeah.

Okay, boys, so we'll find out at the end in a minute. While you're listening to this. In a minute. But in a couple hours here in real time, who lost Mount Rushmore season? Good work. We feel good about the redoul.

I think it's fair.

Same.

Okay.

And what were no graphic changes?

No.

Can you read off the graphics officially now?

Uh, we're gonna. No, I can't do that.

Right. We. The other one we were thinking about doing, which we can just save for next summer, was one time PMT guess.

Oh, that would be good. Yeah, that'd be a really good one.

We'll save that for next.

I wanted to do cheese.

Official graphic team one. Official graphic team one, weed football field, Ireland. The green jacket. Team two, cash money Kelly green jerseys, four leaf clover, Nickelodeon slime.

I. I would like cash on top of money. Yeah, I would like Kelly Green on top of Jerseys.

Yep.

Four leaf on top of clover, Nickelodeon, on top of slime.

Oh, okay.

That is exactly how it is. I like, however, however memes and Shane formatted is good for me. I'm not gonna be a pain in the butt and ask you guys to change things.

Okay. Okay.

All right.

Good job, boys. Okay. It's time, boys.

It is time.

Oh, it is time.

Before we do it, do we want to address recurring guest, one of our best friends?

Oh, yeah.

World, Jerry O'Connell. Last time he was on the show, I think we talked him. One of the things we appreciate about Jerry is he's our guy. And he said that he had said no to all the podcast requests that he had in the past to talk about fantasy football. And this morning he was on good morning football, talking about fantasy football. Look, the squad. Now, he was adamant that that doesn't count as cheating. And I agree with him.

Yeah. He just did butt stuff.

I agree with mouth stuff in the same way that, like, if his wife, Rebecca, came on our show without Jerry and talked to us for a long time, just, you know, shot the bull, whatever. Had a cool hang, that would be her cheating on Jerry. No, that would just be us becoming really good friends with Rebecca remain.

I saw this. It hurt me. I'll be honest. It hurt me a little.

I'm okay with it.

I'm okay with it because I love Jerry, and I know Jerry.

It's.

It's. It more. I don't blame Jerry.

What if it keeps happening?

Then we're gonna have. No, you know what? Jerry can do whatever he wants. I'm not gonna put a restriction on Jerry. It's more that the good morning football just trying to rip us off. That's more what it is. But Jerry can be Jerry. I love Jerry. I'll never be mad at Jerry. I can never be mad at Jerry. And I actually wouldn't have even thought of it if he didn't. You know, it was kind of. He was kind of foreshadowing the fact that he was so proud of never. Of turning everyone down. We should have been like, huh? That's weird. We didn't even. We. I didn't even think about it. Like, of course you can do whatever show you want. Your grown man. But he, like, bragged about it, and we were like, oh, this is great. He loves us the most. And then he went and did that.

If he never brought that up to us.

Yeah.

And I wouldn't. I'd be like, yeah, Jerry.

Yeah, of course.

Talk fantasy football all the time, whoever you want.

He basically was like, I'll never cheat on you.

Yeah. Now he's gonna start suspecting us of cheating. That's what he's gonna. He's gonna go on there and be like, I went on good morning football and had the best sex of my life. Life.

Yeah. I'm fine with it for Jerry's sake, because he is a star, and I love him. I just wish that, you know, I wish. Whatever we need to get. Uh, let's see. I know. River Phoenix. He's dead. Corey Feldman.

I think we just get Rebecca Feldman.

Still life.

We get Rebecca.

I say some others. Some other actor from stand by me and just have them be our fantasy expert.

Key for Sutherland.

Kiefer Sutherland. We get keeper Sutherland.

Got great voice.

Yeah. Is Corey Feldman still live?

I think so.

Yeah. The other.

He's in a band.

The other Corey passed away. That's right.

Yeah. Corey Feldman's in a band. They sound like limp Bizkit.

Okay, so maybe Corey Feldman is going to be our new fantasy expert. Yeah. I have no problem, though. Jerry can do whatever you want. Yeah. I love Jerry. Okay, it's time. Let's reveal.

Good luck, Hank.

So, memes, you're going to tell us the percentages, and then you will tell us the teams.

And the stakes are, if I lose, I have to run America marathon. If Hank loses, Hank has to get a nine dine darter.

And this is it. This is final. This is Mount Rush, final season.

This is PFT. Bring it on.

You think he did it?

Yeah.

You think you won?

I think. I think I did too.

Okay, are you ready?

Are you ready?

Yes.

All right.

Percentages. The percentage. 25%.

Oh.

To 75%.

Congrats. Pft.

Henry, you are the loser.

Oh, yeah. Hank. He's taking off his headphones.

I thought it was gonna be closer than that.

I did too. Where do we think it went wrong? Green jacket hurt. Cash money was a great pay.

First round pick, Kelly Green.

I just didn't have a lot of picks. I really had nothing. I was out Shrek. But, like, I don't even know what else I had. Like, really? Yeah. Ninja Turtles would have been good.

How.

What's going through your head right now?

180?

Listen, I'm gonna. I'm gonna be there. That stream. Not the whole time, but there will be times. I'll be there, and I'm gonna be pumping you up and rooting for you.

The fun part is gonna be we can get some, like, dart players to come in and show Hank had throw dark.

Yeah.

If we got Michael van Gerwin.

What if we got someone on the show? That would be awesome.

Oh, we should try and get, like we did p. We got Pete Weber.

Yeah.

To do a celebrity celebrity dart.

Oh, yeah. Well, yes. Celebrity dart can't be the last Dart. No, but you can get a celebrity darth for sure. We did do that with Pete Weber. Yeah. You're going to do this.

I don't think it's going to take that long.

I think you might do it right away.

I didn't know there were so many different companies.

I don't think I've ever gotten to, like, triple twenties in one out of three.

But you don't be closer.

Yeah, you're going to be closer.

And there's the other combinations you can go for.

Listen, I'm ready. I'm ready to face a challenge.

Congrats.

Pft.

Thank you.

You think it's a little bit just because you were the grumpiest for Mount Rushmore season. This is not me asking. This is the. Aw.

Yeah, I mean, I had a bad Mount Rushmore season. I think it would have been a miracle if I hadn't lost. So, yeah, I was happy I made it to a duel.

To a redoul. Even getting to a redo is kind of a crazy run. Yeah.

Yeah. We stayed alive. We fought. We fought till the very, very end.

You did. Any flags you want to throw?

No, I didn't even. Bitch.

I know.

I wanted to end it last night. I said, pft, just do it, and pft refused. No, I have to do a duel. I I wasn't, like.

Would have been able to look myself in the mirror.

Yep. You had a guilty conscience.

It was me. It was me. It was not Hank. Hank did not cry and ask for a redoul. In fact, Hank was yelling at me because I was trying to offer the redoul, and he just wanted me to stop talking. Hank was willing to accept the people listen that.

And still were like, yes. Crying all times. Yeah, it is.

But they're just jealous of the summer of Hank, which is over, and I'm taking the brunt of the blame.

Yeah, that's fine.

I I also. I'm not gonna say right off the. Right off the bat, but we. There. There might be a situation where Hank may need to earn some mulligans.

What do you mean?

In the nine darter.

Oh, yeah. I would agree.

But, like, let's say that now, like, ten.

Yeah, yeah, no, that's a good. That's a good point. I think there should be, like. Well, there should be hours. There should be some. Our benchmarks where, you know, 10 hours in, he gets a mulligan.

Yes.

12 hours, and he gets two mulligans. 14 hours in. I agree with. Because I think a 24 hours should be the cap, and just. We should get you there.

You'll be fun.

If I'm not trying to have you there.

Oh, no. This is the thing. This is where it's like, you guys pick punishments. I'm gonna do it. I don't want to get bailed out. I don't want to be like, oh, like. Because any. I'm not asking you for this. You're saying this, and then you go.

Oh, okay, all right.

We're trying to think of what make for an entertaining stream. And maybe, like, hank doing a dizzy. Doing a dizzy bat, and then if he hits the board on his first throw, then he earns that Mulligan after a couple hours.

There was also Mulligan's in the free throw stream. That was a great stream. Yeah, I think it's going to be.

Mulligan's aren't bad.

Yeah, it makes. It does, because it.

The free throw stream couldn't have ended. Yeah, like, we couldn't have ended the free throw stream.

Eat.

After 24 hours, we weren't gonna just end that stream.

Yeah, true. No. Yes. So the 24 hours thing, I'm wrong about, but you should get some Mulligan's baked in that. That, I think, is. Yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying. Like, we're not gonna do, like a. He's saying there shouldn't be a cap on the hours because.

Yeah, no, you're right.

You're right about that.

I agree with that.

Yeah.

But Mulligan's maybe.

Yeah.

Well, we'll figure it out.

Okay.

If I got the number, you switch.

Wow.

If you get the number, I think it should be.

If anyone gets the number, they have to switch.

If you. You get the number, Hank, we'll switch and I'll do the nine daughter.

No, I think it should be, if anyone gets number, they have to do it with Hank.

If I get the number, I'm not gonna get it.

So.

Man, if I get it, I'll also do my punishment.

Okay.

If I get the number, I'll do the nine darter with you. All right. Yeah. 56. 8318.

20.

What's pug gonna 20 now?

40.

40. 40. Oh, fuck. Can't do that, Henry.

97.40.

40.

21. Oh, God.

No.

Ten.

I saw that one in.

Fuck.

Whoa.

I said ten last show because of Ben.

Oh, that's right. You're right on it, Matt.

Love you guys.