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A cold bad bitch booted swole got her own bank row can't fold doesn't know headshot case clothes. What is up, guys? It's Andy Forcella, and this is the show for the realist. Say goodbye to the lies, the fakeness and delusions of modern society. And welcome to motherfucking reality, guys. Today we have 75 hard verses. As you guys know, these are occasional episodes. They're not regular episodes, but we have a very special one today because last summer, if you remember, we had a 75 hard contest and we had a deal where we were going to fly out two winners to be on the show and spend a day and work out and go to dinner. And they are here today. So I wanted to say welcome to Chris Hibbs and Carly Thackery. What's up, guys?

Thank you. Hi, Andy.

Yeah, it's great to have you guys here.

Yeah, it's so great to be here.

So where are we from?

I'm from North Texas.

North Texas.

South Falls, to be exact.

Okay.

And I'm from Ventura, California.

All right.

Nice.

Cool. Quite different places.

Yeah, mine's more similar to here, I would say.

Yeah, I think Texas is real close to Missouri, man, every time I go to Texas, I feel like it's home. Right? Just a little hotter.

Farm land everywhere.

Good barbecue. Yeah, it's a good spot. Good people. I don't go to California.

I know. I told you guys. I'm like, I'm from your favorite place, man.

I'm not allowed to, so. Well, it's great to have you guys here. So we're just going to get right into it, guys. These episodes are basically, like we say in the intro every show, they are basically just people who have discovered 75 hard, who have completed it, who have changed their life with the program. We let them tell their story. So how'd you guys hear about this? How'd you come to cross 75 hard?

I was on a walk in 2019, and it was the first episode you announced it, I believe. And the second I heard it, I was like, I have to do that. And I never got the message crossed where it was a fitness. Immediately I was like, no, this is going to solve my deepest, darkest demons. The shit that always holds me back, the stuff that I never quite fix, never quite get rid of in my life, where it's always this yoyo or I'm in this hamster wheel of a cycle right, where I'm doing good then I'm not. So I failed it at least a dozen times before. My back was up against the wall last August, and I just said, this has to be done.

What were you like before that?

What do you mean? Before 2019?

Yeah. Were you training? Were you doing.

Yeah. So my background is in martial arts. Okay. Black belt in Taekwondo. I fought for ten years. When I retired, I met my husband. He's also a fighter as well. 2009, we opened up our Crossfit gym, ran it. So our training in Taekwondo and fighting was really similar to Crossfit. So it was like a natural progression. 2015, we sold everything and took everything online. So I was in the fitness world, right. But I just struggled so much with staying consistent. I struggled so much with being dialed in my nutrition and da da da da da. And it was honestly the lies that I told myself, like, no, I got this. It's okay. I can. I've been good for 30 days, and I can go have a glass of wine, or I can go have a cheat meal. And it always created the.

It's interesting because people's criticism of 75 hard is, well, what do you do after 75 days?

You keep going.

That's right. And they don't understand. They think of it as a fitness challenge. It is a mental program.

Yes.

Two completely different things. And if you're having problems like Carly's describing, where you're up and down, up and down. I was very similar over my life. I discovered that I had no capacity to maintain. I was hot, and then I was cold. I was hot, then I was cold, then I was hot, then I was cold. And it wasn't until I started seeing it as a mental aspect to my game that was weak that it changed my perspective. Right.

100%.

And so I think it's interesting because the people who don't really understand, they haven't looked into the program. Maybe they just heard it about it, or they see it online. They think it's a fitness challenge or a 75 day workout program or something. They don't understand that this is actually the way that you do maintain because you're fixing what's going on upstairs that's causing the up and down 100%. So it's really cool to hear you say that, especially coming from someone who's been in that game their whole lives.

Yes, right. Absolutely. Literally my whole life. And, I mean, since I've been a little girl, I mean, I've struggled with weight and nutrition and being consistent. I'm either on the boat or I'm off the boat.

Right.

And so, yeah, it was the subtraction of stuff that really led me through the breakthrough. And 75 hard makes you subtract.

Yeah. That's awesome.

Yeah. Thank you.

What about you, brother?

Well, I originally started following you back in 2017 when you were doing the MSCO project. And back then, I was basically the kind of person that needed to be hearing that kind of stuff, but I didn't start implementing any of it till probably a year later where it was 2018, and I kind of went through a breakup, so I was forced to make a decision to change things. And then 2019, I started working in the oil field, which is what I do now, doing contract well servicing and well testing and basically opening up new wells to production, and just started basically doing the hard things and knowing that it's going to take time to build something up from that. And then I started focusing more on becoming a better father to my daughter. I have a 15 year old daughter right now, and so at that time, she was still ten or so, but just putting more time and effort into that. And then. So you had the. What was it, 2020 when you.

2019. Yeah, I remember actually 75 hard on March 5 is five years old. Okay. Which. That's pretty long time for a fucking fad, guys.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. It keeps getting bigger, too. I don't think fads get bigger after five years. I love when people say that.

I remember you announcing it and everything, and I tried doing it probably about four times. I failed it, but I would always fail because I was drinking still. And then I made a commitment to stop doing that. The first time I completed 75 hard was the end of 2022. I did it, and I just got done with it, and I felt, like, accomplished, and, like, I did a really good job. I had a similar transformation, but I felt like I could have did more.

Yeah.

So whenever you announced the contest, I had already been planning on doing the program again on September 1, which you announced the contest on August 27, I believe, to start on August 20.

Eigth. Yeah.

So I went from about 235 to two five or two seven around there.

You got shredded, bro.

Thanks.

Yeah.

Well, I was expecting to do a bodybuilding show, but I had a job come up that I needed to be on, and then I just went on that instead. It was a smarter decision, basically, to go work instead of spend money on that bodybuilding show.

When you guys started with 75 hard, what were you expecting of it? What were you expecting to get out of it versus what actually happened? I always like to ask that.

Yeah, I was expecting it to heal my crippling depression, my stress, my anxiety. I had a similar kind of journey on. I was like, okay, August 20 eigth, I'm going to start. I saw Emily was going to do it. I was like, cool, I'd love to follow her on it. Then I heard your podcast of, like, hey, make sure to tune in. And when I heard your testimonial about your journey through it and what it did for you, and especially with self harm and suicidal thoughts, and it was just like, it pierced my soul. And I was battling with that so immensely. And that's what I knew. Of course you want to look strong and lean and good and stuff, right? But I knew that that would be the byproduct if I solved this shit, right. I had to go in and I had to slay my own fucking demons with this program. And that was my focus. And that was the only thing I focused on every single day. I knew if I checked off every single thing every single day and gave it my all, that this would finally be solved. And it was like that, like, Andy, it was like a whole year of just absolute, utter hell in my mind, in my soul.

Yeah.

And within three days, I was, like, springing out of the bed. I couldn't get out of bed before 07:00 a.m. I was struggling to be a mom, to feed my kids. I was struggling with suicidal thoughts. I mean, it was just like the darkest year of my life. And within three days, I was springing out of bed at 430 in the morning. By day five, I remember my husband looking at me. He goes, you got your spark back, didn't you? And I go, I sure did. And I go in this program, I'm doing it for the rest of my life. Like, I'm in.

What do you think it is about? What do you think it is that makes you feel that way so fast?

It was the removal of all devices that I was using to numb out, run away and escape. And when you already are dealing, I was already dealing with a certain level of depression and sadness and anxiety from some experience I had. And then you put on alcohol, and then you put on shit food, and it just compounds it like crazy, right?

It's normal. It's quote unquote normal. It's what everybody does.

Yeah, no more. No way. So once I eliminated all that and then started stacking wins and honestly doing something that so many people attempt and so few finish, I was like, fuck, yeah, I'm back. I am fucking back. It ignited that part of me that had been buried so long. So fucking long.

Helped you find a purpose again.

100%. 100%. And a pathway. Like, I was so lost.

Yeah.

You know what I mean? And so now I know I just have to do this. If I do this, then I am the best fucking version of me.

Yeah. And you wake up every day knowing you did it. Like, when you wake up shitty and you're in a bad mood, and you're like, fuck, today's. Well, I have 72 days in a row where I did everything I was supposed to do. It's kind of hard to feel bad.

How about when your head hits the pill at night and you're exhausted from kicking ass, doing the shit that nobody fucking does, no matter what happens? You heard my story from yesterday. I still got my day done on 75 hard. I did my 45 minutes workout through customs, and the baggage, claiming, you are so fucking empowered by this, what's going to stop me? Yeah, you come out on the other nothing. That's right.

Yeah, that's cool.

It's like the most powerful drug. Yeah, right?

Yeah, dude, look, I talk about this all the time. There's three elements to being happy, and people think being happy is be in a better mood, do what you like, do something that makes you happy. And they don't understand that they can manufacture their own happiness. Right. There's three components to it. One, you got to be grateful for where you are. You got to look around, you got to say, hey, you know what? Shit's not exactly the way I want it, but I'm pretty good. This is all right. It could be a lot worse. All right? There's a lot of people that have it a lot worse than me. Two, you got to have a purpose every single day. What's your purpose? What are you getting up for? What are you getting up to accomplish? What are you getting up to do? Human beings are driven by purpose. And when we lack purpose, we seek purpose. And even if it's not consciously, it's unconsciously, which creates anxiety, and it creates uncertainty, and it creates this feeling of something's just not right. And it's because we're not meant to sit around and scroll the Internet. That's not what we're meant to do.

We're meant to go do things and accomplish things and build things and create and contribute to things outside of ourselves. And when we don't have that purpose, we can't be happy. And three, we have to exercise discipline. If we do not exercise discipline, we are never going to feel confident in ourselves. We are never going to feel powerful. We are always going to feel powerless. We're going to feel like we're floating through the wind, and who knows what could happen five minutes from now? And that's not an empowered way to live. So if you're looking to be happier and you think it's going to be sitting down by the brook as the stream crashes over the rocks, reading your book, yeah, that might make you happy for a couple of hours, dude. But if you lack these three things in your life on a consistent basis, it's impossible to be happy. And that's something that, for the program that I have come to learn, when I find myself in a dark spot or a difficult spot, which we all do, there's no way to permanently get to a. And I think that's another lie, right?

Another lie that we're told is we're going to find ourselves permanently in this content, happy place. That's not the way life works, man. Life goes up, life goes down. Things change. The weather changes, relationships change. The way we see things change. We go up, we go down, we go up, we go down, we go up, we go down. So it serves us to understand how to create these things when we want them, when we're lacking them. And every time I'm ever in a bad spot in my life, if I look, and every single time I can look, and usually for me, it's gratitude, because I'm pretty disciplined and I have purpose every day. So usually for me, gratitude is the thing that I lose focus on, because I'm so focused on moving forward that I lose sight of where I'm at, where I'm at now. This is the shit I used to dream of, right? So I have to remember that. But I think for all of you guys listening, if you find yourself in a place where you're not feeling right, ask yourself, what's your purpose? Are you grateful for where you are? And what kind of discipline are you exercising?

I guarantee you, dude, you're going to have problems with one of those areas if you're not being happy right now. So that's something that I've took from the program. What about you, Chris?

Well, the main thing I wanted to gain from it was confidence. Believe it or not, I've worked out for, like, 23 years now.

Yeah, I can tell, bro, you're jacked.

I've been in shape most of my life, but I didn't have the confidence I would go around everywhere self conscious still. And maybe it's like the body dysmorphia.

Thing or no, I think everybody who's built, I mean, let's be real, dude. The reason we work out and get big muscles and shit is because we lack confidence. We're a little insecure. That's reality. That's reality. That's where achievement comes from. That's where drive comes from. That's where having shit to prove comes from. Insecurity is a natural human characteristic that we all have at certain times. We just got to learn how to leverage it.

Well, that's not the reason why I started working out, though. Yeah, it didn't come from being not self confidence, but originally I started because I wanted our dad to stop beating our ass.

What it was. Yeah, well, that's a good reason too.

I felt good doing it. Just kept doing it since then. Yeah, but no, the confidence was the main thing I wanted to gain from it. And then getting that mental toughness that comes from doing the hard things consistently every day and having that purpose that you're talking about where when you're on the program you have a plan to follow. Right. So you go through the tasks daily, but the main test is whenever you get off of it. If you're going to pivot and change those critical tasks to fit your life and your goals that you are trying to achieve, that's where people are failing. They think it's just going to be the 75 days or it's going to be the phases, but it's taking the discipline that you gain during the phase or the 75 days and changing it and putting it into work, flying and moving forward.

Yeah, for sure, dude.

And so since then, I've just been able to. It's addictive trying to go through and pick every little hard thing that you can throughout the day. You're able to start being aware of each individual decision that you make. Is this going to make my life better or is this going to make my life worse? If you can be able to adapt that mentality, you're going to be able to make a lot better choices and then get closer to your goals every day. And just know that with your lessons you show the way of how it's going to take a long time, whether you're not going to notice anything for a long time, you just have to know that you have to keep putting in the work. And now I don't have that issue with confidence. Yeah, that's for sure.

Good. It worked. Yeah, that's good, man.

Well, one of the things that I did during the program for the contest was, first of all, I told my daughter I was going to win the contest when you announced it. And like I said, I was going to start 75 hard that week anyways. But you said do the contest that day. So I started it that day. And I posted a YouTube video every single day. I'd started a YouTube channel last summer with my daughter doing just cookie reviews. I was ordering cookies off Instagram, which you guys hooked me up with a set in my locker. So it's pretty cool because I hadn't had that kind yet, so we're going to do that. But I couldn't do cookies on the 75 hard.

Kids love YouTube, bro. Right? Don't they?

Yeah.

They want to be youtubers now, man.

Well, I wanted. Well, I see these people making money off, bro.

Listen, let's not bullshit.

You just want to eat some cookies.

Well, both of them, but yeah, I see people making them. I want to try something, but I couldn't do cookies on 75 hearts, so I just decided to post a video every day. How I felt, what I was doing that day. It wasn't like some elaborate edited video or I was just sitting wherever I was because I was in a lot of places. I travel for work and sometimes I'm 2 hours from home, sometimes I'm 6 hours from home. And I was still managing to make those long drives work 12 hours and do my workouts outside of being at work. That was one of the things where I made it a point where I had time during my twelve hour shift. I could have threw my rock on and started stepping, right. Well, some people might not be able to do that. And I was trying to show the way that if you have a construction job or you work outside or you're doing these things, that it's still possible. That's one of the things people talk about. They don't have time. I have this going on or I have that going on. It's either that or they can't quit drinking for those five days.

Well, dude, that's hard when you're normalized in the alcohol culture. Dude, I can remember when I got out of drinking, dude, sorry to cut you off, but the alcohol thing is important, bro, because I was in alcohol culture. It sounds like you were too on my own.

Yeah, with me by myself drinking.

Well, fuck, dude. For me it was like all my friends drank all the time. That's what we did for fun. We went to restaurants, we went to brunch, we drank same. St. Louis is a drinking town. That's what we do here. We drink and watch the cardinals sometimes fight. That's what we do. And getting out of that culture is super hard for people. They can't imagine their life without.

Well, they. Most of them do it every day.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Just a terrible example to be setting, and honestly, it's not necessary.

Was that the hardest thing for you, the drinking?

No. I was so tired of doing it. Whenever I look back at it, it had been, like, five or six years that I was doing it. Basically every day. I would leave the gym at 10:00 a.m. Which is when the liquor stores open in Texas, and I would go buy a half pint of southern comfort 100. That's not very much, but I didn't buy the bigger bottles because I knew I would just drink those, come back the next day, and get whatever size they had. I tried to limit myself like that.

So you were, like, really drinking?

Yeah. But still, like, functioning.

Yeah.

I wasn't out driving around doing.

Yeah, no, I get bar doing.

I had nothing going on home.

You drink it all now?

No. Yeah, it's been since October 2022.

That's awesome.

I'd quit when I finished the program the first time, so I didn't even drink till.

Yeah.

Still, this last time I did the program, I didn't have that. It wasn't an issue. So whenever I started it, I was ten pounds lighter than the last time. Just because I didn't have that bloat.

From drinking alcohol, bro, I don't miss that.

No, that alcohol bloat or even that feeling, just waking up the next day, dehydrated, headache feeling.

Yeah, that's the worst.

Then there's just the example that's being set.

How old are you?

I'm 36.

Yeah, well, I feel like shit when I wake up anyway. I don't need any more alcohol stuff, bro. I'm 44, bro. I feel like I'm going to fucking die.

That's one of the things that's good about being on the program. And you're following a diet.

Yeah.

It plays a big difference, because since I've been off the program, I'm sore again because of that.

Yeah. So when you think about where you would have been or where you'd be without that, you think you'd still be drinking?

If I would have had nothing to force me to.

No.

Yes. I would have still been drinking.

Yeah, dude, me too, man. I feel like with the alcohol thing, I never meant to quit, and I still haven't quit. Totally. There's two or three times a year where I'll have some drinks, but I don't ever think about it. Even on the days I do drink. Like, the times I have alcohol, it's like on the moment decision where I'm like, fuck it, one day it's probably three times a year, and it's never like getting drunk. It's like three or four or five beers, tops. It's changed my relationship with alcohol completely.

Same.

I don't miss it either. Yeah. Which, dude, I could never get over when you were talking about basically going up and down and up and down and up and down. I think a lot of the reason that I was going up and down my whole life with my fitness especially, was because I could never get rid of or shake the alcohol habit.

Same. Yeah. Because the alcohol for me always led to shit food choices. Right. And then it led to bad sleep, and then the next morning I'm tired, I'm paying the piper because I drank the night before and I feel. And now I don't want to go to the gym. It was just this whole cycle. And then being in the fitness community, right. I walked around with so much shame and regret and guilt, and I have to be this leader.

Yeah. There's pressure in that, for sure.

Right? Yeah.

So one of the things that people say when they talk about 75 hard and completing it is that we're talking about alcohol here, right? Yes. It did fundamentally change my relationship with alcohol, and I think it's fundamentally changed my relationship with food, too. And people speak on that for a minute, Chris.

Well, I mean, it makes you aware of everything that's going on around you constantly. Everybody's being berated with just chemicals and everything that you do, and you just watch people that aren't aware of it. And yes, you're judging them, but not in a negative light. Right. That you can see that they have way more potential than that they're putting out. They're wasting their lives, basically, and they're just setting a terrible example, and they're not leading the way for the people that are around them, especially their kids. So if they're just constantly out of shape, eating all these terrible things, that's just something that's going to be passed down. It's one of those things that they know what they hate, the way that clothes fit them or the way they feel going out in public, and that's just something they're passing that pain down to their kids, and people need to wait.

Sounds like a lot of your motivation was for your daughter.

Man, that's so important to me. It's really the most important thing to me for the last, like I said, I've had to change something five years ago. I've basically stayed single in that amount of time, except for, like, a six month period. But I work out of town a lot, so it's one of those things where I don't expect somebody to just be okay with that. So I don't even put any effort into trying to get what's anybody. And then whenever I come home, I'll go make some money. I'll come home, we'll go out to some beach somewhere. So we go on a lot of trips. That's just what I put my money into.

Yeah.

I feel like I've.

You're trying to set the best example, though.

Yeah, I don't know if it's that for sure, that, and I don't know if I'm trying to make up for whenever I was a loser.

There's probably some of that, bro.

And then also the fact that I know that what I wanted whenever I was her age in a dad, so I just gave that to her. And so she has a better chance in this world.

Yeah, for sure.

She can see for sure. And the fact that I told her that I was going to win this, she's known that about you and me listening to you for all these years. She was listening to the MFCO project with me.

That's awesome.

So for her to see what happens whenever you put in that work and.

Then, dude, it's everything. That's the whole thing. That's the whole reason the world is where it is. It's because more people aren't taking that responsibility seriously.

Exactly, dude.

Big respect for that, man.

Thank you.

Yeah, I feel like a lot of people who, right now, I think there's a cultural movement of people who are realizing they're now in their upper 30s or they're in their forty s and they're like, holy shit, we're the leaders now. We have to get our lives together. We can't just rely on these people who are now 70 years old to lead the way. Right. And it's really cool to see that in culture, man. Really cool that you did that for her. That's badass, man.

Thank you.

Yeah. What about you in terms of how it's changed your relationship with food, alcohol, just people or things that you see your perspective in general?

Yeah. That was probably one of the most surprising things that came out of all of this. For me, it feels lonely because I really had to remove myself from the environments that I was typically in, right? Like, I wasn't going out on a Thursday and Friday night anymore. I wasn't hitting up the breweries on a Saturday or going to a bar on Sunday to watch football games and drink, right? And most people do that, and I had to completely remove myself. It was making me so sick. It's lonely. It's kind of lonely. Not many people are living a life like this. I'm kind of in this. Like, I feel like, this weird space of, like, I left that table, and I want to go to that table, but I still need to finish olive, live hard. Like, I still have so much more work to do, right. But I wouldn't trade it for the world. I would never trade going back to that ever again. And then with my food, I mean, yeah. When I eliminate the foods that trigger me because I'm a recovering anorexic, bulimic, compulsive overeater, and I had a severe eating disorder in my early twenty s.

And when I finally got really honest and said, you know what? These certain foods trigger you all the time. This alcohol lowers your inhibition. You go into these foods, then you're binging and whatever the case may be. So, like I said before, it was the subtraction of all the stuff, and it was really just getting super clear and honest and stop lying to myself, like, you got this. You can go back into that. You can kind of dip your feet. No, it was never a dipping of the feet. Right. So it was a full on slip and, like, a tidal wave taking me out. It's just been the best reset. And it came from a place of just having to get absolutely clear on me.

Let's talk about that for a second. You mentioned the lying to yourself.

Yeah.

I think, at least for me, the biggest thing that I get out of the program and living the live hard lifestyle, which I do and I have for five years, is the awareness of my internal dialog, what I talk about in the program, the bitch voice and the boss voice. Before the program, I was not aware of that dialog the way that I am now. Now I knew it was there, but I didn't pay attention to it the way that I do. And that's something that's really helped me develop personally, is just becoming more aware of the justifications that I make for things. And I found that that has translated into the situation where I examined my justifications in all areas of my life, not just in these areas that encompass the program. And so it's made me a much better person in general. But it's also triggered over the last five years, it's triggered a massive amount of work because I've had to be honest with myself because that awareness is not just exclusive to don't eat that food or it's okay to not exercise today because you worked hard. It's literally everything. Now I'm in tune with everything that I have going on and the two influences in our minds, which is the voice of the weak and the voice of the strong, which we all have.

I was a complete liar to myself for fucking. I mean, fuck, dude, up until five years ago, you know what I'm saying? I could justify anything. I could justify anything to myself. I could say literally in one breath, I could look you in the face and say, I'm starting my diet tomorrow. I'm going to do this and this and this. And then tomorrow in the afternoon, you could see me eating a pizza. I'd be like, yeah, dude, you know what? This happened and I'm going to start tomorrow. That was the thing I was dealing with. I couldn't even stick to something for a fucking day. If I got the three or four days, I automatically went where you were talking about earlier, Chris, where I'm like, oh, dude. I went four days, dude, I deserve that. I deserve that pizza, I deserve those beers. I deserve that night out. And that's how I live my life. So I could never make any real progress. Let's talk about that a little bit. What kind of awareness has it brought to your guys'internal? Dialogs that maybe you didn't have before, or did you have it before and you just ignored it?

Yeah. At least for me. This program, like you said, you get really honest with these things, right? These six things, they either did get.

Done or they did not get done.

Yeah, the score is 100 or zero, right? That's it. And that type of mindset when you're training your mind, at least for me, every day, it starts to bleed into relationships that you don't have, maybe how you're parenting. I have two little girls, finances, home. It just bleeds into everything. And all of a sudden, you're this person that just speaks the facts.

It gets you centered into reality completely.

Yes. And also because I'm not numbing out anymore with food and alcohol. Right. And so I have to face that was probably one of the coolest things. It's like you can't numb out with food and alcohol anymore, Carly, so you got to face it right now. And the solution was solved. Like that something I've been putting off for 5710 years. Subjects that I didn't want to talk to my husband about or whatever the case. Let's go. Time. Let's do it.

Right.

Because you don't want to stay in that pain.

Yeah.

All the hard things become much easier.

Completely.

Yeah, dude, I get that 100%. It becomes very simple to just address things for what they are.

Yes.

There's no bullshit. It does take that clarity to get to that point. I think for a lot of people, a lot of people live their life in that cloud of. Well, it's not really that. No, motherfucker, it's that.

It is.

Yeah, it's either this or it's that. You either are or you aren't. And I feel like so many people nowadays spend so much of their life in the nether region of indecision or justification to where they can't make any decisions, to do anything. Like you're saying 1012 years, you're holding on to things that you want to address or want to do or things that maybe need to be taken care of and they cause you anxiety, they cause you frustration, they cause you stress, they cause you pain. And then, dude, when you get clarity on it, you're like, this is over in 2 seconds. And I think I felt that way too. What about you?

It was something I was always aware of, but I would always fall victim to it. I wouldn't listen to the boss voice, I would cave and go drink or I would eat the crap food or whatever it is. But a lot of people just never aren't aware of it because they're used in all devices or drinking or they're eating the foods that are full of crap. And they're just, like you said, in that cloud. So they aren't even aware. They don't set goals, so they don't know what it's like to achieve goals. And that's been so long that they've done it that they just don't think that they can do anything. So they have that doubt and they're not able to just make a decision and start doing anything. And then they just keep going back and forth to that cycle of just starting something and then stopping something and trying to find a new thing, trying to change the plan. They'll even try to alter 75 hard to make it fit there.

They don't even understand that. That's their whole problem.

Exactly.

Your whole problem is that you're taking the circumstances and trying to mold them to you as opposed to just addressing them in reality.

Exactly.

It's unawareness, bro. It's also unawareness. You point out a really good thing is that when you tell yourself you're going to do something and you don't do it over and over and over again, what do you think happens to the trust factor you have with yourself or the confidence you have in yourself? Right? You know this and you know this, but I'm talking to you guys, listening. You guys have to understand. Every single time you tell yourself, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that, and then you don't do it. You are diminishing the trust and the belief that you have in yourself, which creates lack of confidence. It creates doubt, it creates low self esteem, it creates bad personal identity. It creates all of these things simply because you are lying to yourself. Just like if you had a friend who came to you every single day and you said, hey, I'm going to do this for you, I'm going to do this for you. I'm going to do this for you. At the end of the day, none of the shit's done. And then you go in and you find them laying on the couch and you're like, hey, why didn't the yard get cut?

Why didn't this happen? Why? Probably some of you guys feel this way with your kids. You're like, hey, why did this not happen? Or why did that? And they're like, and then after a week of that, you're like, dude, what the fuck? And they don't realize that that happens to yourself. We do that to ourselves. And so a lot of you guys who are living in this place where you're not happy with yourselves, you think low of yourself. You're frustrated with yourself. You have doubt in yourself. You don't believe in yourself. You are creating that by making promises that you do not fulfill. And that is the power of the program. The power of this program is very black and white. You either did or you did not. And if you did, you can actually go see that you did. And that creates and builds the confidence, that builds the self esteem, that builds everything that you're lacking now. And it reverses the process. And I wish people would just understand that. It's actually very simple. You don't need to have a psychotherapist to figure this out, bro. You're not going to trust your friend who lies to you every day.

And once he lies to you for 30, 40, 50 days in a row, you're probably going to be like, fuck this guy. Now imagine that over the course of ten years. Imagine that, the course over 20 years. You're going to fucking hate that person. So a lot of you guys that struggle with your own self loathing, you look in the mirror and you're like, bro, I'm a piece of shit, blah, blah, blah. The reason you feel that way is because you don't follow through on any of the shit that you say you're going to do, ever, not even the little shit. So start somewhere and start building it. That's what's going to fix your problem.

Yeah, that's exactly why. That's how you get the confidence. Yeah, dude, do the program the way it's supposed to be done. That's where it comes from.

Yeah. It's interesting how many people don't understand. They think it's a fitness. It's not fitness, bro. Look, I've said this a gazillion times. If you want to get fucking fit, if that's all your goal is, here's the problem with it, all right? Yeah, there's better programs that probably get you more fit quicker, all right? Training twice a day, doing all these things. Are there other ways? Yeah, there probably are. But here's the reality. The reason that you go up and down with your fitness is because you haven't trained your brain to understand discipline in a true fashion. And so we have to start looking at things differently. This goes for all areas of our life. This doesn't just go for our fitness. This goes for our relationships, what we do in our career, what we do in our friendships, what we do in any area, it's easy to justify the easier route every single time. But until you start addressing the truth to yourself and handling problems, it's literally impossible to feel good about yourself. You can't. You cannot do it. You can go to every therapy session, you can read every book, you can go to every seminar, you can fucking say all the affirmations, but at the end of the day, dude, it's where the tire hits the fucking pavement and it has to be done.

And that's what people want to avoid, all this shit. They want to avoid the hard stuff. I want the easier out. Give me a pill. Give me a this. Give me that. I'm going to say some nice stuff about myself. Cool, man. That's all good stuff. But the reality is, until you legitimately start building life to where you can look at yourself in the mirror 50 days into the program or a year into the live hard program and say, holy shit, dude, I am a completely different fucking human being. Now you're talking about real confidence. Now you're talking about power because you understand that you are in control of the outcome. Like, dude, it's hard to be confident when you think that you're not in control of the outcome. And I think this is the biggest lie that we deal with in society right now. We have so many people that believe that the way they are has to do with some sort of cause that is outside themselves. And so because they believe that, they abandon every single controllable that they could possibly have, saying, well, fuck it. You know what? My parents are fat.

I'm fat. My parents are broke. I'm broke. Everybody else is a loser. So it is what it is. And we start telling ourselves all this shit, and we abandon all the things, which is most of them, that make a difference in our lives. What we eat, what we put in our mind, how we treat people like what we actually do, how hard we work. These things build a sense of self worth that cannot be replicated any other way than just doing it. And the controllables are very simple. What are you putting in your mouth? What are you putting in your brain? How are you moving your body? Right? Like, these things are simple and everybody can control them. And when you start to control those things, you can learn that the outcome is very predictable on the other side. And I think having that knowledge, which both of you have expressed, that you feel that now that control over your lives, how much different does that make you feel about things? Some people do, but I don't think people ever truly get to a point where through traditional fitness, okay, they get their body fit, all right?

But that person's. And you guys are both examples of this. You've trained your entire lives. All right? How many times were you fucking ripped before you did the program?

Plenty.

Plenty. How many times for you?

Plenty.

Me too?

Yes.

Okay, so I'm out here saying people are out here talking like, oh, it's fucking physical. No, it's not physical, bro. It's about teaching you that the controllables that you are in control of can very predictably control the outcome of your life. And when you start to realize that it's not just in the wind and it's not just up to chance, and it's not just luck, and you are actually in control, that's a powerful fucking feeling, dude. That's the ultimate confidence. That's where we're trying to get people to. And I think if we had a society of people that understood that, how much different. Would society look night and day completely. It'd be the completely opposite of what we have.

Yes. Most problems would probably be gone. Yeah, dude.

I don't know, man. Have you guys seen that? People that you know have seen you do what you do, talk about that, because the people who have seen and then been inspired, I want to hear about that.

Yeah. You know what trips me out, Andy, is people have seen my transformation, and people know my story. And you see a picture of me and I looked just like you. And now you see me and they just sit there and they're just like, you want to order a pizza? And I'm like, don't you want to get from point a to point b? You're right where I was. What are you waiting for? Why are you leaving so much on the table? And I have so many people, and it pains me so much that are in that spot, and they won't fucking move. And it's so simple.

How much of that do you think is the ignorance of never experiencing anything other than what they currently have?

Maybe. I think it's a lot of ego. I think it's a lot of ego. I think at least it's what I feel like. It's like, no, I'll figure it out on my own. I'll do it this way. Yeah, it's never worked that way. You've been sitting 30, 40, 50 pounds overweight for last six years. I just transformed my life in 75 fucking days. Yeah, but I was talking to my husband about this, and I think it comes from sports. I've always been like, if somebody is killing it, right, and is doing better than me and has an edge, I'm always like, what are you doing? Show me. I want to know. Because that's how I always made myself better as a fighter. So I think I developed that skill where you don't have the ego and you just give it to me. Right. And so, yeah, it blows my mind because I see so many people that are in that space addicted to the alcohol. Just, they're good for a couple of days, and then Thursday comes around, Friday, Saturday, and they're just back into that cycle. Can't even go the whole January dry. Right.

They get to day 28 or 29. So it feels like an ego thing. Like, yeah, she did that, but I'm going to do it this way, and I don't need to do all that. And it's just like, no, this is the pathway.

I think a lot. I mean, we can't force anybody to change.

Right?

You have to get so fucking sick of yourself that you literally look in the mirror and you're like, I fucking hate that motherfucker.

That's how I was.

Yeah, I was too. And I think most people can relate to that feeling at some point in their life, right? And that's okay. It's not supposed to be that way, guys. You could fix that.

Yes.

And the thing is, I feel like a lot of reason that people don't choose to go to really get their shit together is because they are ignorant to the fact of how good they're supposed to actually feel. Because of how normalized being, like, what we would call normal is, right? Like, we turn on the tv, dude, all we see is pizza commercials, snack commercials, alcohol commercials, and then pharma commercials, right? When they show us what a normal man is supposed to look like in his late 30s or 40s, what do they talk about? Dad BoD. Oh, it's okay to be a little shitty, right? It's okay to be soft. And you know what, dude? Sometimes you are a little soft. And that's okay. That's life. We're not talking about living this every single minute of your entire life. That's why the program is broken up into phases. Because when you start to recognize that your edge is getting a little dull, it's time for a little tune up, and you're in control of when you do those phases, except the first and the last one. I think there's a big problem with how normal it is for people to live below standard and how we're propagated that in society.

And I don't think most people realize how good they can look, how good they can feel, how good they can feel about themselves and how good they can feel about other people and how much control they have over things that they seem to not have control over. Chris, you know when you're talking about alcohol, bro, I know that guy. I know what that guy's about. Like, dude, if I come to you on Monday or Monday, Chris starts his diet, and I come to him on Wednesday and say, hey, let's go get some beers, he's fucking saying yes no matter what. Like, dude, I was that guy too. I was the guy that could not say no. If someone said a beer in front of me, they said, I know you're on a diet, but, dude, come on. I had no power. Like, none. And it wasn't until I really thought about it very simply, very simply, and looked at that beer and I was like, that's a fucking inanimate. Object. That is nothing. That's a glass with some fucking liquid in it. And I'm letting that control my life. Fuck that. And that was where I got to with it.

And I got that way about food, too. I started looking at food and I'm like, that's a fucking pizza, bro. That's not fuck that pizza. You know what I'm saying? Like, as stupid as that sounds, like, that's the. I almost got, like, mad at the shit where I'm like, dude, you're not going to tell me that this fucking food or this brand or this advertisement or this urge is going to control my life. I think when you start looking at it that way, it flips switches for people. It's not just about looking good at the pool, bro. It's not just about being fit. It's not about having muscles and abs. When you think about it like that, it's very superficial. When you think about it as an actual mentality that you need to have in all areas of your life, it changes your shit. I don't know, man. For me, that's been a big thing is understanding and controlling what I can and not allowing things that shouldn't control me. To control me.

Yeah.

What do you think?

Well, it's easy to let things just take over your day, especially if you aren't aware of what you're doing to yourself. People will just look at their journey of they have to lose 100 pounds and just at how hard it's going to be, but they don't take into consideration the person that they're going to change into as they're reaching that goal. So they think it's just so far away. And then they don't realize how far they've already actually came. So they just don't start and they don't realize what the feelings that come as you're losing that weight, you're going to feel better, you're going to be more confident, you're going to just feel better about everything in general. But everybody's just looking for the easy fix, the overnight success, the shot, the pill, whatever. To lose the weight fastest without putting in the work.

The fucking ozempic shots. Yeah.

I've always been the in shape friend, so people have always came to me for workout advice that I've never took. So it came to the point where I just got tired of giving it because I've had people take advice from me and then go pay for a diet from somebody else and get basically the same thing and not do either one.

Yeah.

So I just got to where I'm like, if you're going to pay me, I guess I'll do it. But that's not something I started offering or anything. I'm capable of doing it. It's a matter of just taking initiative and accountability of your life, and it's a matter of setting the example that you need to set for the people all in your circle. Whether it's just your friends and your family or the people you work with. You need to be the one that steps up and changes things so that way they can see what is possible. They may not see it in their own life or have people around them that are.

It might take two, three years for them to understand. Yeah, but as long as you're living that example and you're a constant reminder, eventually it's going to catch on, man.

Yeah, that's how I feel where I'm at right now. People are starting to come around to it in my life, around the people that see me doing it. Like I said, I was probably a loser. I would say five years ago, whenever I started taking more initiative and stopped playing a victim, it's what it was thinking I was owed something.

And changing your story from being a victim to overcoming the shit.

Exactly.

Yeah, bro, that's a huge deal, man. Changing your entire identity. I just posted about this today. It's about changing how you see yourself. I think that people lack the ability to understand that the reality that you're currently living is actually the byproduct of somebody else that made choices for you, which happens to be a past version of you many months ago, right. Or even years ago. And you don't have to accept that. So when it comes to changing your identity and who it is you are, you could actually change who you are right now. The thing is, though, is that you have to back it up with those actions, and that's what's going to change the reality 30, 60, 90 days from now, or a year from now, or two years from now or five years from now, however big the play is you're trying to run. And so that's how I think about it. I think about it like, if you want to be a different person, you can be a different person today, but you have to start having the different person behavior to produce the reality, and that takes time. And so when people.

Because I was that guy, I was 350 pounds, right? I'm looking at the mountain I have to climb, and I'm like, fuck, how am I going to climb this? And I'm going to climb it just like, everybody climbs everything one fucking step at a time. And that's the reality, dude. And if we could plug in every single person on this earth, if we could take their finger and stick it in, like, an electrical socket, and they got, like, a 1 hour experience of what their life would actually be like, what they would actually be like, how they would feel, how they would look, how their relationships would be, how their careers would be, how their parenting would be, how much better everything would be if they took care and took their mental discipline and toughness game seriously, because that's the core problem. The core problem is your inability to make the correct decisions consistently enough. That is the core problem. The problem isn't that you're fat. The problem is you can't make the right decision when it comes time to eat. The problem isn't that you're a drunk. The problem is you can't make the right decision when you start to drink.

Right? That's the problem. So we need to fix the core problem. And if we could take every motherfucker on the planet and stick their finger in a fucking electrical socket that let them experience for 1 hour what it would look like to actually be the optimal version of themselves, every single fucking human on the earth would stop every single thing that they're doing and dedicate all of their time, all of their energy, all of their resources to becoming that instantly, because that's how much better it is. So if you're sitting there and you're like, fuck, I hate where I'm at. I'm disgusted by myself. Good. That's a great place to fucking start. Now, let's change that today, and let's start following that up with the action. And eventually, depending on how far you are away from it, if you're 500 pounds could take a little longer. But the reality is, for the amount of time you've lived in this unacceptable version of yourself, and you've been miserable, the time to correct it is minimal in the big scheme of things. In one year, and I don't care who you are, in one year, you can change your entire fucking life.

And, dude, I see it every day. I see it by the thousands, and at this point, by the hundreds of thousands. But I just wish we could come up with a way that would legitimately let people experience what they could actually be and be like. Because, dude, you can't comprehend it when you're living that life, dude, when you're drinking all that alcohol and you're that much overweight and you're looking in the mirror and you're like, fuck, I'm gross. You put on your pants, they don't fit. You don't go to pool parties. You don't go to weddings. You dread going out in public. All of these things. This takes away from the human experience in such a drastic way. And people get used to it. They start living in that reality and it becomes their normal. And they're just like, well, this is what I got. No, motherfucker, it's not what you got. What you got is the potential to be everything that you want to be. And you're not exercising any of the actions that will materialize that potential in reality. And if we could just get people to understand that as a whole. Fuck, dude.

Everything about the world will look completely different.

Completely.

How people treat themselves, how people treat others. Like, fuck. I go on and on and on. Go ahead.

It would be literally like walking into first form. Everything would be operating. There would be trash on the ground, places.

Yeah, bro.

People would be taking initiative to go do all the extra work.

When I run for president, bro, that's going to be my campaign. Come visit first form, and that's what it'll be like.

I love it. Yeah, I love it.

We got some awesome people here, man. There's no doubt about that.

Everybody is super jacked, just so you all know. Everybody is walking around just jacked.

Well, if they're not super jacked, they have a tremendous story of where they came from, right? And they're working on it.

It's amazing.

Everybody here works hard. It's badass. It's a great place to come. Every day I wake up, dude, legit. It's one of the things I think about literally every day. I'm like, fuck, dude. How lucky are you to come to a place every single day where everybody's trying, everybody cares, everybody's trying to be better just to be in that environment. It's amazing. Feel very fortunate to be in that situation.

I'm proud to be a part of it. I'm a part of the Legionnaire program.

Oh, are you?

Yeah, I joined it out.

Me too.

Both you guys are.

Yeah.

That's awesome.

Yeah, just a couple of days ago.

Really?

I passed the interview with Connor. Yes. Yeah. That is what's cool. So excited.

Yeah, I think I signed up the same day. I sent in my essay for the contest mid November.

That's cool, man.

You stand for what's right and for our freedom. And for our rights. And you're taking a hit and you don't ever want anything in return except for people to live to their highest standard and support each other.

I do want some things in return. I want some motherfuckers to actually go out and fucking do shit. You know what I'm saying? I don't want you guys just to consume my shit and sit there and be a success zombie or one of these weirdos that goes to every seminar. This is why I got out of the seminar. Stuff like, I won't even go to the shit anymore because every time I go to one, it's the same fucking people. And it's like, bro, you're the same. The fuck are you doing? It gets old, man. And by the way, I also want you to buy my shit. I'm just going to be real about that, too. I'm giving value. I want to support me, please. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to sit here bullshit, right? Yeah, keep it fucking real. But I try to over deliver the value, so I appreciate the fuck out of that, man. For both of you. It's badass.

You changed mine and my daughter's life in the same that's awesome, man process. So it means a lot to me, too. Just for everything that you stood up for and never gave up, all the stories that you have, of all the times where you could have and you didn't, and then this has all been created.

Well, those stories keep coming, bro. Look, dude, if you're going to be on the path, it's a constant thing. And this is why mental toughness and discipline is so hard, man. It's so crucial if you're going to do anything, man, like whether it's building a life as a family or building a great family or building a great business or an organization, a charity, a church, whatever you're trying to do, these things are abnormal. It's an abnormal thing. Let's just take it from a life aspect, right? It's an abnormal thing, which is weird, but it's an abnormal thing to want to go out and be your best. That's the society we live in. It's like you're looked at as a weirdo. What do you mean you don't want to do this? What do you mean you don't want to do that? What do you mean? This is what we're supposed to do. And that's where I'm at now. So there is a loneliness factor to it in terms of you can't really relate the same way that you used to be able to, to everybody else. But the people that you do connect with, the people that are on that wavelength, the relationships are much deeper and better.

Agree.

And that's something that I'm very grateful for, too. So it does shrink your circle, but it improves the quality of those relationships. At least that's been my experience.

Same.

Yeah. I have far less people that I talk to on a regular basis, but the people I do talk to are very quality individuals that contribute to what I'm trying to do. And I contribute to what they're trying to do.

Exactly.

Yeah.

I want to circle back on identity and habits. And I mentioned that I'm recovering anorexic, bulimic, compulsive. I had to go into rehab. I have spent thousands upon thousands of hours in.

It's a hard thing to beat.

Yes. In a chair with a therapist. I've been on Paxel, I've been on antidepressants. Nothing has rebooted me as fast as 75 hard nothing. So if somebody is looking for a pathway, somebody is looking for a program to create a new identity and to become the best versions of themselves. It is this. It is this fucking program right here. And I was up against the darkest hours of my life. I was up against the gnarliest depression. I couldn't believe that I had fallen off the horse after 20 years. How could I be worse off than when I was in rehab? This is crazy. And to be rebooted in 75 days and to feel that, like I said, it's like the most powerful drug, but it's like, what can't I do? I am unstoppable.

Yeah.

So I just have to say, if anybody is looking for a pathway, it is this.

What do you think about this, though? Because this is something that people say, and I experienced this, too. What about when you're not on the program?

So I'm miserable.

Okay.

I don't know about Chris, but I am miserable. Can I tell you something? So I was off of it, and, oh, I hated it. And the second I logged back in on February 1, literally, Andy, I go, oh, thank God. I felt home, and I felt safe from myself. I felt safe again. It was like, here we go. It's go time.

Yeah.

And it's interesting because it's my favorite.

Do you agree with that?

Yeah, I'm good when I'm on it. I may have done a good job while I'm on it, but I'm still not to the point where that didn't correct me all the way. And it's not going to correct. Somebody listening to this, they think it's just going to be 75 days the rest of your life.

Yeah, that's what I think is cool.

About charged version or boost to get you going is the 75.

Well, dude, that's what I think is cool about the program. The way it's laid out is like you can adjust the program in terms of when you do the phases, in terms of when you think you need it. And that's where the awareness aspect comes in. Right. There's one thing to have awareness of your internal dialog. There's another thing to have macro awareness of your overall life where you can look at it and you can say, all right, I'm slipping a little bit. My shit ain't on point. I don't feel right. It's time for me to get shit broke back in for 30 days, right? And then you go back to the 30 days, it sharpens your blade. You go back out there, you fight a little bit, your blade gets a little dull, and you repeat that process over and over and over again. And for me, and I know everybody likes to have their own opinions, and that's okay, but for me, that's been the only way I've been able to maintain. I lost 110 pounds in 2016 and I'm in the best shape of my life. I continue to get better and better and better.

I've never been able to maintain like that, ever. And it's because of the awareness that I now have, because of what we're talking about. People say, well, what about after 75 days? Well, if you go off the program, guess what? If you did it right, you're going to feel like shit. And that shouldn't surprise you because you feel so good when you're doing what you're supposed to do. That when you don't do what you're supposed to do, guess what? You're supposed to feel like shit. So it realigns your baseline standard in a way where you really can't live another way unless you totally abandon it completely and you just act like you never fucking heard of it. Over. It's like one of those things, like once you see it, you can't unsee it.

You can't unsee at all in every area of your life, right? Yeah, I think that's like, even though it's a hard thing, like when I'm not in it, I'miserable. But it's so good to know that this is home.

Yeah, well, and you also know that when you are feeling off, you know the solution.

Exactly. I can come back to home at any time and sharpen my blood. And that is so empowering, because I can't tell you how many times I've done this program or that, or I've sat with this therapist, and it's just like, you're just out in outer space.

And I'm like, there's nothing worse. There is nothing worse than being a place that you are in that dark, hopeless, doubt, grossed out with yourself place and then not know what to do about it. That's what creates the hopelessness. That's what creates the shit where we're like, well, fuck, I might as well just give up. And one of the things I like about the program is this aspect we're talking about. Because, dude, if you do it right, you're kind of fucked. You really are. There's no going back now. Yeah.

When I told my husband it was day five, and I go, I'm in this for life. And he goes, he goes, I go, well, it's 75 days, and the other ones are 30, 30. He goes, okay, cool. Okay. Yeah. Okay, let's do this. Let's do this. And I mean, it's a total part of our whole culture, of our family now. Badass. I mean, my little girl, my seven year old got up at 430 in the morning on the day I left. It was yesterday. Was that yesterday? Yeah.

You're going on no sleep, dude.

I'm on like, 2 hours of sleep and did my 45 minutes outdoor walk. We were out the door by 05:00 a.m. I mean, everybody is just all hands on. It's a part of the culture of our family. But it started with me first, right? And it's like you always talk about. It starts with us, then our family, then our neighborhood, then our community, city, state, country. Right?

That's it.

That's the fucking thing. That's the jam right there.

Yeah. Everybody wants to talk about what's wrong in the world, but they don't want to address the source of it. And the source of it is our own selves. It always is. It's always going to come down to that. And you can pretend that you're not a leader. You could pretend that you don't matter. You could tell yourself that no one cares. But those are all bullshit lies. And usually they come from one of two places. One, you either have just beaten yourself to the point, or you've been beaten to the point by the world that you truly believe you're irrelevant, which is not true. Okay? You have drastic amounts of relevance and importance and contributions to make that you're not being able to make because you're living this life that is just so below your standard and you've become accustomed to it or two. They think it's someone else's responsibility and there's some other way to fix it. I don't know how to fix the world without fixing the individual. How can you do that?

You can't.

Yeah, and the cool thing is then people will say, well, you can't fix the whole world. Okay, that might be true, but what if you start to live a better life? And what if all the people around you become aligned with the path that you're on and now your entire world is that way? It makes life a lot better.

A lot.

Because you're dealing with people who are aligned, who are pushing you, who are helping you, who are picking you up when you're down, who are making your life better, as opposed to just some drinking buddies. And by the way, I like my drinking buddies, but I don't want to be around them all the time because they're not on the same path.

I think one of the best things that came along with doing the program is people probably look at you and see if you took a loss. It's not as big of a deal, or maybe it is a huge deal, but it doesn't affect you as much as it would have earlier in your business or in your life. And even for me, especially, I noticed I would dwell on things that weren't going to matter in a few days or whatever, and I would spread them out for months. That was something that was able to just. You're able to handle and able to work through what you're dealing with a lot faster. So it doesn't seem like as much of a loss as you would if you weren't controlling the things that you are capable and you're able to with the water and the workouts, all the things that you put in your brain. That's one of the best things I got out of the program.

Yeah, dude. We have to recognize the importance of what Chris is talking about, because what Chris is talking about here is reducing the amount of time that it takes for you to realize that when you take a loss, that there's a lesson there. And if you can become more aware and reduce the amount of time that you dwell or feel frustrated or angry or stressed because you had a loss, you have more time moving forward to move forward the right way. And so a lot of people do that, bro. They take a hit or they have a problem or they get sick or they go through a divorce or they have a business problem and it takes them years to get out of it, when in real simple terms, if they would just say, hey, okay, this is what happened. This is what I learned, and I'm going to move forward not worrying about that anymore, and I'm just going to get back to it. And I think that's part of coming up with the start back from day one, the next day, which people either do or they don't. Right. I see that a lot.

I see a lot of people are like, oh, I failed 75. I'm going to try again in two months. No, that's not the point. The point is get back at it tomorrow. But, yeah, dude, I agree with that 100%. I agree with that.

It's very helpful, though, if somebody's dealing with that and they have a long history of having. I mean, that's probably most people, they take their losses and they take them too hard.

Yeah. And they dwell on them. It becomes their identity. I'm a loser.

Yeah. That's their whole. And it's just a race to the bottom.

Yeah. I like how when you talk about yourself, dude, you talk about how I was a loser because, you know, you're not anymore, right. It's fucking cool.

Exactly.

I noticed that right away the first time you said it. So let's talk about this for a second, and then we'll kind of get in some final words. Can you guys talk a little bit about how you've noticed the impact of the characteristics and the skills of discipline, grit, fortitude, perseverance in other areas of your life besides just this after the program, how has this affected your life?

In every way. I take pride in everything that I'm doing now. I'm walking around, if there's trash on the ground, picking it up, if there's a cart that's out next to me, I'm putting it away. And that translates into every other aspect where I'm spending any little time I have with my daughter, or I'm finding something to either talk to her about if I'm not in town or just any little detail with that, or also whenever I'm at work, it's translated to that where I'm trying to do the best job just so it's looking good for me and as well as the people that I'm working for directly because I'm working under a contracting company and I'm out as the contractor, so I'm representing several people basically. So it's just a matter of taking pride in everything that you do, and you do the extra work. You are showing up on time, looking proper, and then just going the extra mile. Basically everything.

And how do you feel about yourself living that way?

It's immense confidence.

You feel superior? Yeah. People don't like that shit. They think you're better. You think you're better? No, motherfucker, I know I'm better. I'm doing all the shit you won't do, so that's that. Sorry about it. Yeah, I like that.

Sorry.

I'm not sorry either, man. Fuck. You do the shit.

Shit, right?

Yeah, that's how I feel, too, brother. Like, I'm with you. That's why I said that, because I want people to know what you're really saying. What you're really saying is, I do the shit that you motherfuckers won't do, so I feel great about myself and you don't. That's what you're saying. Right or wrong?

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah. What do you think?

Yeah. I did this program so that I can show up for me and then I can pour into my family and my girls and my husband and my friends. I mean, I was so absent and not locked in, and it bleeds into every aspect of my life. So, yeah, everything is done. I always start the day, the score is zero. And you got to get to 100. And if you get to 100, you failed. Right. And so I'm a stay at home mom. I run our house. I'm in charge of a lot of stuff that makes my husband's world go round, my two daughters world go round. And it's like I got to be locked in. And then I think, too, like, having integrity in every area of my life and not lying to myself and not just doing 80% or 70% here, but it's 100% in every area. And once you do that and you talk about this, it just manufactures your momentum. It manufactures your momentum and confidence in, like, oh, there's nothing that can stop me at. It's. It's the. Sure you do. I think we all do. We have, like, a little Andy on our shoulder.

All the. You see. You see trash on the sidewalk? You better pick that up. You know what I mean? Or anything, right? You become a better human. You just do. So thank you. Thank you for this program.

No, man. Thank you guys for taking the initiative to fix your lives. That's what we need. We need people to show people at scale what it looks like, to live a higher standard, and that's where we need. People sometimes get confused about how all these shows fit together with personal development and what's going on in the world. And it's like, bro, we're trying to make the world better, right? And you have to understand that all of us have a personal responsibility and obligation to contribute to that. And when we look at all of these problems, it's real easy to say, well, that's not my fault. I didn't do that. This, that, the other. But the truth of the matter is, we all are responsible for the state of the world when we aren't living at standard, when we're walking by that grocery cart or we're not picking up that trash, or we're not following some sort of healthy program for ourselves, or we're 100 pounds overweight and thinking that that's okay. It's not okay, bro, because it's not just about you. You're hurting other people. You're lowering the acceptable standard for everybody around you, which is going to cause them to be miserable and cause them to be unhappy and cause them to be frustrated.

And, dude, if we want a better world, we have to take responsibility for our place in the world, which is to set an example for other people. That's all we can really do. We can't make other people do things, but we can inspire other people to do things by showing them what it's like to overcome. And this is when we talk about the victim culture, identity that a lot of people live in. It's easy to live there because there's no work. But it's incredibly painful because you have to live in this prison knowing that you're not really that fucked up, bro. You're just not trying. And that's the reality for most people. Most people just are not fucking trying that hard. And they'll say, I'm trying real hard. You don't know. Okay. What'd you eat today? Yeah, what'd you drink today? How'd you train today? Oh, I didn't train at all. Okay, well, you ain't fucking trying, man. What'd you read? I didn't read shit. I scrolled instagram all day. Okay, well, like I said, you are not trying. You are not trying because you are abandoning the things that you can control and saying, I have no control, which is a lie.

It's not the truth.

Well, that's another one of the best things about the program is it forces you to effectively manage your time. And you see all the time that you're wasting.

I'm glad you brought that up. That's a huge deal.

It worked for me.

People say, I don't have time for it. You actually have way more time.

You have to be so dialed.

When you're that dialed in, you realize how much time you waste.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

It's so crazy.

I remember the first time I did it. That was like, my big revelation. I was like, holy shit. Yeah. I have way more time than I thought.

I had the lies, right? Yeah, 100%.

That was a big one that I didn't see because at that point in time, I was extremely busy with our companies, and I really felt like I didn't have the time, but I did once I broke it down.

Once you're aware of that, I'll catch myself. Now if I'm just sitting around scrolling my phone, I'll force myself to get on my treadmill at my house and do that. Or sometimes I'll just be doing it. It almost, like, sickens me. Or I just want to throw it, catching myself do this. And it's just like, you talk about how one day we need to look at cell phones like smokers, some cigarettes now, and hopefully that's where it goes.

I think I said that even just yesterday. I said a number of times that shit's true.

Yeah.

I think one day we're going to look at cell phones and technology and say, this is a predatory technology that stole our lives. It created a false reality that isn't even real. And we're going to look at it and people are going to say, dude, you're still on social media, bro.

Isn't that.

Yeah, I think that's where we're going to end up eventually, because, dude, we're seeing a lot of the young kids starting to go away. They're getting these cell phone blockers that block all the apps on their phone, and they just want a simple phone, a flip phone. I saw an ad the other day for this device that apparently is pretty popular with young people. I forget what it's called. It's like the block or something. I can't remember. But it's a device you put on your phone to block out all the distractions. And apparently that's a thing with a lot of the younger people. So I think they're even starting to recognize that already.

I haven't heard of that.

I'll check it out, which is cool. So we'll end with this. And I want to hear from both of you guys. We talked earlier about what it would look like if we could stick the image of someone's highest potential in their brain and let them experience that for, let's say, an hour or a day. All right. And I'm curious, knowing what you know now, and whichever one of you wants to go first is fine with me, what would you say to the version of you before the way you were before and you are you now? What would you say to that past version of you to get them to step up and step into the true power that they have as an individual? What would you say?

I think the main thing that hits me is when they're pulling a bunch of old people, their biggest regret is always how the time that they didn't spend with their kids. So that's one of the main things that turned me around, is that that's the most important thing in my life. I grew up without that figure in my life, so I know what that's like and I don't want her to have to deal with that. And I think that maybe realizing that sooner because like I told you earlier, I feel like I'm on a time limit, maybe I don't know what it is. Maybe she's. Because she's almost 18 or if it's. Maybe she's going to get married eventually or something. I'm just running out of time.

Hold on, brother. We are on a time limit. Yeah, we are on a time limit. Right.

So I'm just trying to make the most of it.

You're just aware of it now?

Yeah. And that's one thing that people, once you get on this journey, there's no looking back. It's just a matter of. You're going to have to understand that it's going to suck. The price is going to be different every single day. You just have to keep going into it and doing each thing that you need to do, no matter what that costs each day. It's probably intimidating looking at it like that, but it's going to be something that you're going to regret not doing sooner. That's the same thing with the program.

Go ahead.

Whenever I did those episodes every day, I was talking about, just pick a diet and pick a book and get started tomorrow. Quit waiting around till after your event or your holiday or all this crap that people put off doing things for to just get started. Like you said, you can change yourself right now. So starting the program tomorrow would be the best bet for anybody listening to this.

What about you?

Yeah. If I could go back knowing what I know now, the first thing that comes back to me is just like, go do it now. Because what I would always fall into was, I'm not ready. And I can't tell you how many times I have passed on so many opportunities, career advancements, whatever the case, I'm not ready. And how that just absolutely was like, chipping away at my soul and my self esteem and my confidence and the universe just pounding on my door like, Carly, you got to go now. There's not as much time as you think. Your kids are growing, your husband's getting older, you're getting older. Stop warming the bench of your own life. Right? And so fucking go. Here's the pathway. 75 hard, live hard. Fucking go. And you'll figure it out on the way in. You don't need to know all the details. You don't need to know if it's going to work on a Saturday night or a Thursday when you have all. Just fucking go. It's going to figure itself out. That's what I would tell myself.

I love that.

Yeah. I mean, it's just the fucking truth. Because the time is now.

Yeah. Well, guys, I appreciate you guys making the trip in and coming on the show.

Thank you for having.

This has been amazing.

More than that, I appreciate you taking responsibility for your own lives and understanding that it's more important than just you. Because it's not just you. It's about everybody around you and everybody around them, and everybody around them. And the ripple effect of the change that we need in society has to start somewhere. And believe it or not, no matter how irrelevant or how small or how insignificant you might feel now, you have no understanding of the change that you are capable of creating in the world until you start to live at the best possible you standard. And you guys have decided to do that. And the impact is real and you see it in your own lives. And we've heard about it for the last 90 minutes or so, and I'm just very appreciative of that. It means a lot to me. It means a lot to a lot of people listening. A lot of us here, we're all hungry for a better world, a better existence, a better culture, a better society. And to see people step up and take responsibility for their own lives, knowing that that's their role, it means a lot to me personally.

So I appreciate you guys making the trip in, but I really appreciate that part of it.

Thank you so much. Thank you for having us. This has been an absolute dream come true.

Thank you for leading the way.

Yes, 100%.

You guys are leading the way. I'm not leading the way. This has gotten so big now, bro, that it's you guys that are leading the way. It's you guys listening that are leading the way. It's not me, bro. It's you guys. And if you guys would think about it like that and start really understanding that it is you, it's you. It's not me. It's not some dude that you hear on the radio. It's not some dude with a microphone or some followers. It's fucking you. You are the solution. You are the reason that shit is fucked up, and you are the reason that it will cease to be fucked up if you choose to go follow through with living the highest standard, the best version of you. Because the potential that every single individual has listening to this is beyond your own comprehension at this point. You're never going to know what you're capable of. You're never going to know what your life is like until you go out and commit to building that. And it is very important that any of you struggling, any of you sitting there right now saying, he's not talking to me.

No, I am talking especially to you. Okay? So understand, your life matters. Your role in this world matters. And it is a personal responsibility and obligation for any of you that care about the health of this country to go out and live the proper standard. And I'm sitting in front of a bunch of individuals here because it's not just these two. It's the other people in this room that do that on a daily basis. And that makes me incredibly hopeful for the future. So don't thank me, bro. Thank yourself, because you fucking did that and you did that. And you guys out there listening, you did that. I didn't do shit. I get you guys sending me messages every fucking day. Thanks for everything you did, motherfucker. I didn't do anything. I said some words into this fucking microphone, bro. You know what I'm saying? You guys did the work, and that makes you the leaders. So if you can understand that you are the leaders, things can really change. So let's leave it at that. Went from sleeping on the flow now my jury box froze fuck a bow. Fuck a stove counted millions in a cold, bad bitch booty swole got her own bank row can't folk just a no headshot case cloak close and.