Spanking DVP, the Steve Dangle podcast with.

Your hosts, Steve Dangle, Adam Wilde, and Jesse Blake.

Let's go.

Scotty Sheffield are arrested this morning. Birdie's the first hole.

Did he birdie?

He birdied the first hole.

I have never cared about golf as much as I do.

This morning, there were people yelling at him when he walked up to the tee, like, man, you look hot and orange.

That is. That's one of the craziest. I'm, like, still wiping sleep out of my eyes, and I'm obviously very gun shy after last week, so I'm like, all right. Are these tweets real?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was.

I was very cautious before sending it to my friends.

Yeah. What a wild day. Quite a crazy morning.

Wow.

I don't know if you could put money on betting when those charges will be dropped, but I'm gonna bet it soon.

Today.

Yeah.

Jesse, did you have your hands in the air because of the golf story?

Why did you have your hands in the air, Jesse?

Cuz the intro was playing.

Oh, you're just happy. Just, you just jacked. It's Friday. Yeah. And you had a freaking crazy game to stream last night.

Yeah. Fun game. Yeah.

Yeah. It's the only thing I want to talk about.

I assume. I assume we'll start with Oilers.

You want to start with the Wheelers? I want to start with Rangers. I totally want to start with Rangers.

No, I think. I think the biggest series amongst our audience right now.

You think Soilers? Oh, I was going full Rangers, but. All right, all right, all right.

We're doing what the audience wants now. All right. Trade packages for Marner the next 45 minutes. Here we go.

I got. I got a message on if we're starting with the Oilers. This is a message I got from Nate before the game.

Let's hear it, Nate.

Nate is an Oilers fan. Love the pod. Been a fan since 2017, but can we please give the Oilers defense some respect?

No, but continue.

There are top ten team and expected goals against the last two seasons. Legitimately good defensive hockey club. Even nurse CC has a positive goals for and expected goals for in the regular season. The only teams in the playoffs giving up less shots per game are nashville, lol, and Florida. This team has a really good in zone structure, and our neutral zone was cleaned up by Chris nablock, which was the main reason for our woes early in the season. And all I have to say is what happened with 32 seconds to go, Nate.

Whoa. Hey, hey. You think Adam is trying to piss you off?

No, nate's on.

Adam has been doing choreography on his victory dance since 03:00 a.m.

I'm just waiting for that Carolina.

Anybody who says that this isn't a biased stream that Adam runs, I don't see how it's completely biased.

It's not biased. There's no bias in my stream. My stream is completely unbiased.

Oilers fans, I'm here for you. I feel for you. To having to watch through Adam wild cheer on the canucks.

When you.

When you tune in, you expect to see a national broadcast where it's straight down the middle.

That's right.

Both sides are being cheered on and booed against. But no, you get bias. Canucks fan Adam wild.

Vancouver has embraced me, and I do appreciate it.

Jesse's right. This typical Toronto.

What?

Just typical east coast bias. East Coast.

West coast bias.

Yeah. In this case, typical anti Alberta. It's anti Alberta.

Oh, there you go. Yeah.

You know what? Why don't they just see? I said, why don't they just secede?

They should.

Who?

Alberta? Yeah.

They were threatening that a couple of years ago when Trudeau got real. Do you remember that?

No, I don't.

No, you don't. Because it was dumb anyway. I think you don't have room in your head for stupid shit like that, but I do. I do want to say, though, the Edmonton Oilers have room in your head.

To remember the apples.

The Edmonton. No, I don't. Screw the apples.

Stink.

I do want to say the Edmonton Oilers had an incredible game for game five. They start out, they're looking good. And Vancouver took 80 bajillion penalties in the first period, including, did you see the pew suiter one, like, in the first minute?

No, because I was on and off dad duty.

Okay. So it was like, I saw the game.

In part.

It was goaltender interference.

Okay.

But it was a play that it would have been hard for him to avoid.

Okay.

And so, okay, fine. It's goaltender interference. He interferes with the goalie. It's fine. Fine. The Edmonton Oilers score later on on a different penalty. There's bad penalties everywhere. But the Vancouver Canucks absolutely dominated the Oilers from the start of the second period onwards. I think that they outshot them, like, twelve to one in the second.

Steve, you can see it.

Here we go. What are we looking at here?

I'm just gonna show. I'm just gonna show Steve the goaltender interference.

Yeah, let's not get a copyright flag this time here.

I'm just gonna show you that, Steve, so you can see you running into the goalie that happened 45 seconds into the game.

That is goaltender interference.

Goaltender interference.

Even though. And by the way, by mid game, Canucks fans were throwing their beer on the ice. Oh, yeah, dude, the reffing. Okay.

What?

The reason I'm going down this path.

What is.

I gotta say something.

Adam. Are they trying to screw Yorks?

No, I gotta say something. Cause I was disengaged from the reffing. Refing thing that we talked about it. Was it Wednesday?

Yeah. You said. You said, oh, I have apathy towards that. Like you have apathy. We shouldn't even talk about the refs anymore, cuz I'm so over it.

Yeah.

Was your take?

Yeah.

Steve was going off on the Florida Boston.

Steve was right. Steve was right. And I say that on behalf of both the Canucks and the Oilers. I don't even know who was reffing last night, but it was terrible. It was real bad. And it was not that it was bad because they wouldn't have called some of these during the regular season. It was bad because first off, they. They try to do these makeup calls. So you have egregious calls, the pew suiter one. I can understand why they call that. You know, and then there's like a Quinn Hughes puck over glass half to call that Dakota Joshua. There's an interference. Later on in the game, it's Connor McDavid. And then there was another one. Was it Zdorov? Who? There was like a trip or something. Anyway, long story short, it wasn't Zdorov. There were trip. There were ones that you're like, okay, you have to call that.

I'll get to it, Adam.

But then.

But then get to it.

Then you get Zack Hymen getting called on. Just this.

Oh, that's not what I thought you were gonna say at all.

Which one do you wanna go to, Pedersen?

It was, by the way, Dan O'Rourke building to Pederson. Dan O'Rourke and Francois Saint Laurent, who were reffing last night.

See, it's always a bad sign when you know their names. Cause I've heard both of those names.

Yeah. Dan Oroque is from Alberta. Oh, and which city in Alberta is he from?

I bet he's from olds, Alberta.

He's from Calgary. So right there.

Son of a gun.

The inherent bias.

Whoa.

Is right in his birth.

Here's the thing, though.

Piss off, Adam. Where are the lines been from? There you go. Where are the stupid linesmen from?

McPherson. Matt McPherson. Who has the worst name ever? Tobias James. Tobias. Who has two first names?

Matt McMathison.

Matt McPherson is from Nova Scotia.

Oh yeah.

James Tobias is from Buffalo, New York.

Oh, okay. Sorry. I have nothing bad to say about either.

I don't know if we have to give other governments there, but yeah. Dan O'Rourke though, Calgary. And that's something we gotta call out.

Let me run the penalty. Suitor interference. Okay, fine. I get it. Quinn Hughes, delay of game. Have to call it. Ian Cole holding. Okay, you're, you're pushing me a little bit. Pushing me a little bit, but fine. Zach Hyman holding the stick. If you're an oiler fan and you didn't hit the roof on this one. Oh, this, he literally grabs the Vancouver defenseman for a minute. Like this. Just like this happens every game in the playoffs all the time. But the refs are like, makeup call. And here's the great thing, is that later on in the period, Myers and Yanmar get into it. And what's hilarious about it is Myers is, I guess it's like a roughing call because Yanmar kind of gets under his skin and then Yanmark takes the biggest dive because he's trying to goad Myers into more minutes, basically. But the refs have already called Myers for something.

Yes.

They could have called him for cross checking. They could have called him for maybe for like.

So it's just a repeat of what happened with nurse and Jon.

Yeah, yeah. And initially they called Yanmark for roughing, but then they changed it to unsportsman like because he didn't rough anything. He just dove. And it was really. And I was like, okay, all right, all right, fine, fine. And I just, it just keeps going and going and going. But the, the one that obviously we got to talk about is the elitist Pedersen one.

Yeah. He is an elitist. That's why he got called the jump charge, man.

Now I didn't realize, because I'll be full disclosure, I haven't sat and read the NHL rulebook in a really long time. As scintillating as I'm sure that it is, I looked up the rule and Pederson technically charged.

Oh, it's a charge. It is. By the, if you have ever said, hey, just call the rule. That's the rule.

But has anyone ever called the rule?

Well, so let me, let me, let me quote Ray Ferraro because Ray is.

Go to the show in the snow.

Go to the show in the snow. He, Ray is.

He's the best.

Too humble for how good his career was.

Yeah. Wasn't he like 1100 points?

That's a good way to put it.

Yeah, he's too humble. He talks like every other, like, hockey analysts who, like, I don't know, played a couple hundred games, you know, you know, 3rd, 4th line grinder. No. Raferro had 400 goals. That's a really good player. He hadn't.

That's not nothing.

That's not nothing. He's. He's very top quarter, top whatever percent.

He also did it on mostly garbage teams. Like, most of the teams he played for were not great.

Yeah. And it's.

Cause he was on whalers, islanders, like, late nineties kings, like, post Gretzky Kings.

He was their best player. No, he's too humble for how good of a career he had. And he very rarely ever opens this door. But last night, he opened the door.

So let me read the rule. 42. 42.1 in the. From the NHL rulebook. 2023. 2024, the most recent edition. This is what charging is. According to the NHL, a minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates, jumps into, or charges an opponent in any man in any.

Manner, or is doing a lot of work. There's.

Yes.

A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates, jumps into, or charges an opponent.

Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A charge may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame, or in open ice. A lot of people are choosing to ignore the second part, where they talk about distance traveled as well, but I think it's because you can just say, if you jump into an opponent, even though you're stationary, it also qualifies for charging. Well, so because everybody's highlighting the jumps into an opponent part, but the charging on the second half of the paragraph institutes a distance traveled.

Yes.

Which is how we. Like in our minds when you're thinking about charging us. When you're playing channel and you skate halfway along the ice, Mike Stevens, and you ramp against the boards, that is our, like, instinct of what charging is. Yes, but a lot of people are saying, nick, no, it's. It says jump, so jumping at any moment is charging, and it's just never called that way.

I think this is a rare example. Cause the rulebook, despite the NHL never explaining anything, is pretty thorough.

Clear on this rule?

Well, I think this is a rare example of a. A bit of a. An unexpected incident happening that is not talked about in the rules.

It's clear as mud.

Well, it's clear as mud because think. Okay, gather your three decades plus of watching hockey, when have you ever seen someone hit like that? Never stand completely still and just jump in the air.

All the people who are going at you in the stream for not knowing the rule, I felt I was like those people. You didn't think it was the rule?

No, you didn't. And if you did, you're a freaking nerd. Okay? So, like, straight up, you're like, I hate to tell you this, but, like, anybody who's like, yeah. And do you know the secondary definition of charging nerd? You're a nerd. You're a nerd. Go ref a game, nerd.

No.

We're all learning together. Don't act like you already had this.

Oh, but you have a podcast, and you should know every rule off by heart. No, no.

Let's all take it one step at a time and read the rule, because now we're all learning this new definition. It's okay. We don't have to jump on Adam here.

It's not like I've been watching hockey for 30 years and have never seen this.

But also, I think it's valid when, you know, like, Craig Simpson on the broadcast. I think it was Craig Simpson. His word is not gospel. But it means something when a guy played hundreds and hundreds of games and he's broadcasted, he might have broadcasted even more games than he played. It's valid when he's like, what? It's valid when a guy with that much experience is like, I've never seen this before. And if he's never seen it before and he's confused by it, you can forgive everyone else for being confused by it. So Ray Ferraro, who I was getting into, way too humble for the career he had, but last night, he took a stand on Twitter, and he goes, no, that's a ridiculous call. And then people started sending him the rule like they were to you, and he goes, thanks for sending along copies of the rule. All I'm saying is, I've been around the NHL for 40 years and have never seen a player called for charging while standing still. That's my point. And I still think it's been a tough night for the stripes.

It was. It was a brutal night for the stripes.

It wasn't just that call.

That's when the beer can started being thrown.

Yeah, well, it's what's important. There isn't just the call, because if that's a random call on, pick a name out of a hat, pew suitor, I think, you know, it wouldn't have gotten beer thrown on the ice, but the building was shaking with energy at that very moment. They were losing their mind for Elias Pedersen, and, by the way, was looking.

Good for the first time these playoffs.

Looking good.

Amazing.

And he rocked someone, I think, who was a fogel.

Yeah.

On, on. The Oilers rocked him. Do you see that dude in the front row? Basically, like, kill his buddy and go, yeah. And, like, smash.

There was some testosterone in the air, for sure.

And then the whistle got blown, and Petey's like, me, and the whole crowd is like, mother. Like, I've never seen a crowd, like, we've heard lots of refuse suck. I've never heard a crowd that indignant over a call, because.

Because they all know it was bullshit, too.

It was that call on that player at that time in the game. Thank God. Like, neutral observers, everyone gather round. Let's all. Let's all hold hands and agree on this one thing. Thank God the Oilers didn't score on that friggin power.

Yeah. Yeah.

That would have been so bad. In the end, I don't think the referees were the reason that Vancouver won or the Oilers lost.

No, they weren't.

In the end, it was decided on the gameplay, and I thought the Oilers were a step back of what the Vancouver Canucks were putting out there, and, like, I think the right team won in that instance.

Yeah. Here's the other thing. Vancouver held them to, like, I think that Vancouver got to, like, 30 shots, and Edmonton was still at twelve.

Oh, yeah.

Like, it's. It's not even close. And then the great thing was, by the way, after the Pedersen call, I'm like, well, the next call is going against Edmonds and. Nope. Dakota Joshua interference on Connor McDavid. Uh, but, yeah, but, so when you look at the. Look at it on the whole, the Canucks had a crazy second period. Pederson, Patterson, and Dakota Joshua, penalties aside, they were, and it was weird that they only came out with one goal. They tie the game up, and, and remember, you got to remember that they came off of the Oilers scoring 23 seconds or something after they tied it up the first time. So it was. That was a heartbreaking goal. And then, of course, with 33 seconds to go, man, in the third period, JT Miller, playoff guy.

I don't know what happened to the Oilers power play. That's usually so extremely deadly.

Like, they are seal offs.

I don't remember the last time. Like, when was the last time they. They went a whole game? They had five power play opportunities. They don't capitalize on any of them.

They ran into a latvian goalie get wrecked?

Yeah.

That's insane.

Yes.

No. The Canucks, their sticks are extremely good on the power play, especially high. Edmonton can't walk the blue line with Vancouver's penalty killers. They can't do it, and it's taking Evan Bouchard out of the play, which a lot of their power play runs through.

Yep. I also think that Vancouver objectively dressed a better lineup last night. So you look at, you know, we went through sort of who Patterson's linemates have been the last, you know, Linus Color, Carlson and that sort of thing. It's like, no offense to those guys, but, like, Linus Carlson wasn't even in the lineup last night, was Hoaglander, Lindholm, and Pederson as the quote unquote first line, even though I would still give that to Suiter, Miller, Bester. But that is a completely different set of linemates. And if you watched the press conference that Pederson had next day after game four, he looked depressed.

He's going through it. I didn't know it was that bad. I had no idea. Like, when we were talking about it on last show, he had, I think, four points in ten games. I didn't know he was that down bad. Like, well, I did not know because you'd never know that the series was tied two two right in the second round. Like, you are in a regular ass position. Like, the sky is not falling, but it's.

It's guy who just signed. Big extension that kicks in next year.

Yeah.

And to his credit, he looked great last night. Got an assist there.

Hey, five.

You know who else got an assist?

Who?

Connor Brown.

Yes.

Set up Matthias Yanmark. Hayden put together a stat pack before the game. The two worst forwards on, on the ice in terms of expected goals. Philip D. Giuseppe and Connor Brown have both got points. D Guiseppe had two last.

Let's go, dad strength.

Dad strength.

Yeah.

So it was, it was a. I think it was an absolute classic because you had a little bit of ref controversy. But Jesse's right. Did not affect the game. Kind of affected the game.

Affected the game in some ways. But I think in the end, when.

You look at the right team won.

Yeah. The Edmonton Oilers struggled in ways that I don't think they could. Pickard, like, to all his credit, he gave them a chance. And when the offense is not there in Edmonton, it's always hard to win. And I'm surprised at the lack of offense that there wasn't like, they scored two goals, obviously, but you expect them to be a little bit more dangerous with the amount of opportunities they had and just finishing is, it'll just be the key for them going into game six like you're back home. It's going to be good. But I worry about them.

The. Well, the fact that Conor McDavid had, this is the second game in this series where he was invisible. He really didn't have, and I hate to say it, Oilers fans, he didn't have a great game. There weren't. Dry sidel has been the guy.

You don't have to look for him.

Dry sidels been unbelievable.

Yeah.

Like, I don't like he's been amazing. Magic powers. He has to step up his game come the playoffs has been just amazing to watch.

Eight out of the ten games he scored points in in these playoffs have been multi point games. And last night I think he only had one.

What? Well, bum, bum, bum, loser. No, McDavid in the regular season is not a player you have to look for. He's the blur, that one.

Yeah. So you got to squish a little.

Bit last night and for big chunks of the series, you have to look for him.

I smell a game seven coming with this series. Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, this is, this is ripe for a game seven.

Yep.

Like, Edmonton gets the next one, they go back to Vancouver, and then who knows what happens.

Yeah, I do wonder, you know, I do wonder if people have changed their views on the Canucks. I certainly have.

Oh, yeah.

Because I didn't think they had this.

Well, I, obviously, my doubts went back to, like, November when I was like, yeah, they had a good start, but like, they've had good stretches before. Then they win the division, you go, okay, well, they're a good team. And then, you know, they play Nashville. I was like, oh, they suck versus Nashville guys, you're not giving the Nashville Predators enough credit. Once the Nashville Predators learn how to score a goal. If once they bring in Steven Stamkos who? Or Mitch Marner or whatever trade deadline or whatever trade that's going, going to happen this summer, once they start scoring points, the Nashville Predators are very back.

It was a different kind of hockey. Like, it wasn't complete. Like, you can't say, oh, they sucked. They know they were playing low event hockey, both teams, and it was just like, all right, so we're going to just cycle the puck a lot and not do a whole bunch. But that's how Vancouver won that series, and now it's a different kind of hockey.

Yeah.

As a Leafs fan, I appreciate how hard it is to win a playoff series. So I don't care what team looked like the better one or what team locked the other. Who won? Who won? You know, like, let's. Let's break down the who, what, when, where, why after the k won. And here they are, one win away from the final four.

I have to say, Calvin Pickard looked pretty good last night for the Edmonton Oilers.

I don't know what to do there.

Oh, I know what to do. You keep Calvin Pickard in.

Yeah.

You cannot play Stuart Skinner. Cannot, under any circumstances, play that player.

Yeah, he.

Why?

Why?

No, because I. It was a question. Question heading into last night. Like, do you do Pickard? Do you do Skinner? I thought you do Pickard.

Pickard one.

I know.

Who's this debate for?

CJ and Julian.

Really?

Skinner back in.

Why are you still humming and hawing about it after last night?

Well.

Cause they lost.

Oh, they didn't lose because of Pickard.

No, they didn't. You know, I think.

I think Pickard, JT Miller almost ended the game, I think, earlier didn't. Was it. Was it suiter who you tweeted out the picture of?

That was JT. Was it?

Yeah.

Yeah, I think it was JT.

And it was off the toe, and it was.

Hecker made a fabulous save.

He was amazing.

No, I think you're right. I think starting anyone not named Cal would be overthinking.

And I love this because, you know, we're all ardent chair generals. And, like, one thing that I didn't mention this in round one, but, like, Elliot was on 32 thoughts, said that he thought for game five or game six, the leaf should go with Giordano and Samsonov. Like, I think it was game five or something like that, because we all thought they were going to lose.

Yeah, exactly. Remember how bad they were? Like, when he said that, I'm like, yeah, do it.

Fuck it.

Fuck it.

Doesn't matter.

It's his last game. Do it. Who cares? And then they won. And I'm like, okay, no, no, no, don't do that. Don't go doing that now.

It's. It's nice to. I'm sure it was nice for Patterson. I think for Connor Brown. That's gotta be the nicest feeling in the world, setting up that goal, just because that guy's had a rough season and when you see him, his skating is still there.

I. I think.

And I. As a leaf fan, I want to play. Pay particular attention to this player.

I think it was underestimated how difficult it would be to recover from his injury.

Yeah.

Everyone's like, all right, he's going to come back, and he's going to be great right away, or he's going to be Con. Not even great. Like Connor Brown right away. Like, no offense to the guy, but, like, even at his best, it's not like you expected 25 goals.

He got 20 goals.

He could do it. He could do it once or twice. He might have got it twice. I think, you know, one of the remarkable things about Connor Brown that he's done from the moment he entered this league is he can play on any line, and what he's done to survive this year, besides have a contract that you can't move, is he's adapted to be an adept guy. I'm no longer 20 goal guy. Maybe one day I'll get back to that, but right now, I'm fourth line dude, and I'm going to do what they need me to do.

It was Hog lander.

It was Hog lander.

Niels Hoglander who had the chance very late. That Pickard saved is initially.

See what I mean?

Initially, it looked like Hoglander hit the post, and he just whiffed on a wide open net. And then they showed the slow motion replay and especially the Netcam or the one that's in the net, and you can see it there. Pickard got over, and he saved it with, like, the end of his toe. It was fabulous. And he saved the game in that instance, and it's. And then JT Miller ends the Oilers life in that game. But in that moment, Pickard, like, he's, like, literally saved the game for them, and it was an unreal save, by the way.

There's. There's been a bit of retconning with JT Miller because we were really hard on him for a while when. When the Canucks were bad, and I think how good JT Miller has been validates every criticism of him from before.

You could have been better. What the hell was going on?

Yeah, we knew this was there. We knew this was there. He got, like, mvp votes a few years ago, and then he decided back checking, not for me, and I thought getting Rick Talkett to fix one player was ridiculous. And then he took this guy, put him as part of the most terrifying penalty kill unit in hockey. Like, him and Elias Pedersen were just outscoring power plays regularly, and I'm like, okay, there might be something here. And now he's just. He's. He's a ludicrously good player.

I think that if. I think people forget to that if Ron Hextall had figured out a salary cap issue. JT Miller's a Pittsburgh penguin. The deal was done.

I think the rumor was the Islanders as well. Like, he was. He was trade was.

He was traded couple times. Deal was agreed to. Oh, yeah, 100%. So, you know, like, areas.

I mean, here he is, man. No, and, like, imagine trading a player that important to your team and also, like, not even recouping the assets very well. Like, they probably wouldn't have got much for the guy. And now he's incredible. Really good player, man.

Jesse.

Yeah, no, like, I look, I think back to the. Probably the 2022 season, 21 ish, when it kind of peaked. The JT Miller being frustrated on. On the ice, visibly in front of everybody, fighting his teammates, clips that we.

Would run, not being invited to birthday parties. Yeah.

And to see the player now, it's. It's incredible. And I think it speaks to that coaching does matter.

Yes.

Because the thing that convinced me early on in the season that Vancouver is actually good is them having Rick talk it in there. And I think it's a huge. It's a difference between Bruce Brugeau and Rick Tocket, where one guy is, I'm going to be really friendly to all the guys and be a kind of a player's coach, and the other one's like, get your shit together. We got all hockey, a bunch of passengers, and. Yeah. Who you never really know what your team needs until you get those options. And I feel like Rick Talkett there, if we're talking about JT Miller's resurgence, he's got to be the x factor.

He's also built for the playoffs, and that's something that's said about people too often. But I'm going to illustrate it. So early in his career. No, not built for the playoffs. Two assists in four games. Eight points in 19 games. Three points in five games. Meh. Three assists in twelve games. Six points or. Sorry. Eight points in 17 games. That's not bad. Two points in four games. That's not bad. His Canucks playoff run. Yeah, both of them. 18 points in 17 games. And now he's up to twelve points in eleven games. Games. He has been a preposterously good playoff player.

Over a point.

A game with the Canucks in two separate playoff runs.

Yep.

Dude, he's. He's really good.

I loved. I loved the game. It was just an exciting start to finish. And there was a guy in our chat who kept giving away subs, and then when JT Miller, he gave away 70 subs.

Wow.

And he. And then skr. Yeah, it was a lot of money, and I was so appreciative. And then JT Miller scores it. He's like, ah, I thought I was gonna get karma. Cause he was an oiler fan. So shout out, skr. Everybody loved him. Vancouver and Edmonton fans were just loving him last night, but I thought I.

Was gonna get karma. Ah, well, you thought you could buy karma. That's why you got bad karma.

There are a couple, by the way, players in the chat who are people in the chat who just have player names. So there's a Leon drysidel in the chat and a Brock besser who keeps showing up, too. So I'm wondering if there'll be more players in the chat that show up that are, you know, I can't wait.

For Phil de Giuseppe.

Oh, man, I love him. I love Phil Duseppe. I also love Connor Garland. I can go on and on forever about how much I love watching that player.

Yeah, you just love the Canucks.

Yo, dude, he's great. He's great.

You biased.

Garbage, bias, garbage stream. I feel bad for Edmonton.

Yeah, me too. I feel bad for Edmonton, too.

You clearly don't.

Typical.

Are you almost ready for the third.

Round of the playoffs?

Also, the NBA is going on, too.

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Some dismantling going on there, too, to.

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Okay?

Yeah.

What do you mean, dismantling? It's tied three three.

Pretty bad.

Yeah.

Games like they won by 45 points, but, like, what about the previous game where they lost?

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I gotta say, I'm dying to do the New York Carolina game. Can we get. Please get to the New York Carolina game?

Yeah, let's do it. I'm dying, Adam. It was three one, so.

No, no, no. First off, what we're gonna do, since we already all know how it ended. Jesse. Yes, I just sent you a link.

This is.

You have to understand that this is my hot take Christmas, okay? This series, for a couple of reasons, hot take Christmas. One of them is obvious, and I'm sure you know what? I'm getting to the second one. Not so obvious.

All right?

And it has to do. It has to do. What do you think it is?

Well, I just want to know where the trap door in the ceiling is that the Frederick Anderson Pinata is going to speaker two.

We're not there yet. No, we're not there yet. No, no. I'm going to take you back a couple of weeks to the NHL draft lottery with everybody's favorite game show host, Bill Daley, Mister Charisma himself, coming out and going, this pick is this. This pick is that. They should hire a host for that.

Yes.

Stop. The head office doesn't need to do that. Their head office, their business people, put them behind the scenes. Anyway, long story short, you had one, Kyle Dubas, on that. On that. Zooming in and, oh, you're doing the double dunk. Because. Because Kyle Dubas. You see, Kyle Dubas didn't have his pick move up into the top ten, which means the sharks get it. So they get picked, whatever. And they get the. They get the Penguins pick, too. It's great. It's amazing. They get 1st. 1st overall. 14th overall, I think.

Right. But they're going to get a pick back, right?

Well, you see, Kyle did try to hedge his bets. Right? And the thing about hedging is that it doesn't always work out for you. Jesse, can you please bring up this cap friendly tweet? It's a condition update from the Michael Bunting trade. Okay.

Good lord. That D'Angelo trade is just an abomination.

So bad. So bad. But go up. We're looking at Michael Bunting, the draft pick. Condition update is the 2024 2nd pick sent to Pittsburgh as a part of the Jake Ensil trade will not upgrade to a first pick because Carolina didn't make the third round. Additionally, Carolina will retain their fifth round pick. So the oil or the. The Penguins lose about 30 spaces in the draft and lose a fifth round pick, which, you know, Dubas loves. So that's one. This is the appetizer today.

He's way more upset about the fifth.

Yeah, 100%.

He's just weird that way. It's just how he is.

He's. He's a guy that's dying for an all star in the fifth round. Yeah. And I don't.

He's gonna get one.

I don't blame him.

I gotta get one.

So there's that.

Yep.

So, Jesse, thank you for bringing that up. Just want to say, if Ed Carolina won, Kyle Dubas would have a first round pick today. Well, no, not today.

You'd have an opportunity to get one.

So that didn't happen.

I think that one. It's a bit of a reach.

Now, that's not a reach. That's an appetizer, my friend.

Oh.

Now, Jesse.

Yes.

Let's go to. I only want to ISO these four or five events because it was a four three game. But there were five events I want to talk about.

Geez, I gotta keep putting on my glasses.

Put your glasses on.

I'm just gonna leave them on.

Let's go to Freddie. Goal one. Okay, Freddie, goal one. What happened here? You know? And this is.

Puck went in.

A puck went in.

Did I get it?

But why?

Got it. But why?

But why? Because at that point, no one's really paying attention to Carolina, Lydic and Colin. Or it's just, ah, they're winning.

Right, Jess?

They're winning.

I mean, the real Carolina lost this game isn't Frederick Anderson now. Mmm. It's me.

Mmm.

Because I wasn't watching this game. I was working on something else. And I said in the group chat, when it was three one, I go, Carolina's gonna do this, aren't they?

So, Jesse.

So if you're wondering why that happened, me, I want to know.

I want to know, Jesse, what your thoughts were on this goal. You saw it live. You were streaming it live.

Yeah. It wasn't like, at the time. You could see, like, Freddie made a mistake on the play where he. He lost sight of the puck. And then Panarin had the opportunity to throw it at the empty net. And Trochak picked up the rebound.

Now, at this point, look at the shots on goal. 1437.

Which doesn't. Which doesn't really tell the story. Of the game, because the first period was very even in terms of scoring chances and opportunities and time on ice in the zone. It was more in the second period where the hurricanes kind of opened it up early on. So I don't think the shots tell the best example of the game, and that's one of the problems with the series, is Carolina are volume shooters.

Right.

And that they have a lot of low percentage shots that go on that.

And they block a lot, don't they?

Also?

Do they block a lot?

Decent amount. But the Rangers were never, like, throwing a whole bunch of shots on that. They just capitalized on their opportunity.

So that's trocheck in front.

Yes. Yeah.

You know, everyone wants to get the big guy, the bad guy that. No, you just need someone who gives a shit.

Yeah.

You just need someone who gives a shit.

Yeah. That's not the renfire state building.

No. Not the remire state building. No. This is. You have Vinny Trocheck, who is a regular sized human, and I look at.

This goal, and I. And I go, I don't see anything that. That egregious about it.

A lot of.

I don't see anything about it. Just traffic. Yeah, just traffic. And by the way.

No, well, this isn't like. This isn't how the goal is scored.

Well, no, but there's. There's traffic. Okay, so let's. Yeah, no, like the.

The goal is bad when you watch it, I think, because it's the shot. It's blood.

Yes.

It's hard to describe it here in with the stills, but. So Paneran shot the puck there. It's in the middle here on the mouse. It's blocked. Freddy loses sight of it, and it comes back out here to Panarin again.

What I could figure out is why his arm goes up in the air here. Where. Watch his arm, too, Freddy.

Okay.

Yeah, watch his arm. His arm goes up. Why is his arm up?

So he loses sight of everything. So he's, like, trying to scramble back into the net because he's all the way on the. I'm trying to describe for people listening. He's all the way on his left side of the post on a block shot. So if you can see right here, this is the perfect example. Freddie. Frederick Anderson is looking to the left side of the ice. No, the puck is currently on the right side of the ice. Paneran, after he shot the puck, the rebound bounces back to him, where he traveled back to the blue line. And this opportunity is where Freddie lost it completely, and he's scrambling back. Panarin takes this long shot, and Freddy's like, oh, no. I don't know where anything is. I'm gonna dive back to my net. And when he does that, the shot hits him initially in the chest. So on his weird arm up, dive back, the shot hits him in the chest. And Trochak, who's in perfect position, picks up the rebound and pots it.

So I don't even hate this goal that much.

Well, it's not great.

Here, here.

Just.

It's not great.

Go back 3 seconds.

Sure.

Because, yeah, it's Freddy's fault, but what are they doing? Yeah, no, no. Hurricanes doing that is quite the defensive structure.

I think they call that the c curve.

They all came, they all thought after this block shot. So on the one that was the initial freeze frame on Paneran, they thought this block shot would lead to the puck. Sorry. The save kind of would lead to the breakout here. So the hurricanes get the puck, and they're looking to break out, and they fumble it. They fumble this breakout, and Freddy doesn't.

Catch it, and they're best guys are on the ice, too, by the way.

Yeah. The hurricanes don't realize that, hey, we messed up this breakout. Panerin has the puck way far out, and he's going to shoot it because great play by Paneran, who had a fantastic game last night. Every single scoring chance the Rangers had, Paneran was in on it. It was great to see, and he shot it just so smart. And it leads to that rebound. So that's the first goal.

Looking at Freddy's footing, like, I just. I think he was in the middle of a movement, and his brain went abort and made him do another one, and it didn't. Now, like, I don't think he meant to push. He's pushing across, but he's also pushing into his net because he was, like, half falling backwards.

Now, here's the thing. The conclusion I draw from this is sometimes chaos happens and you lose sight of the puck. And so if I'm going to dunk on the goalie, I'm actually going to. This is not the goal for me.

All six hurricanes on the ice are.

Even though, dude, look at this. He's waving at Panera. Like, thank you. Pass it to me. It's not great. It's not great. Like, it's not. None of this is good. Freddy's out of position. In fact, I don't see a single hurricane in position. No, not a single one of them. All six. It's. It's like, it's it's symphony.

Yeah. The Rangers were also. Cause, like, they're going back to play defense. They're playing like three. I don't even count this guy over here. There's not playing like two on five.

Yeah, Jesse, there's not even five Rangers in the offensive zone. No.

Half of them are going for changes. Having a hot dog.

So it wasn't great. It's not great, but here's where it actually starts to go wrong. And I am going to point you to something that everybody missed the boat on this, including me, because we should have known there was an issue when this play happened. Jesse, I've sent you the note on this.

Which goal?

It's not a goal.

Oh, the Martin Oak save.

It's an arm almost goal. And everybody wants to talk about Jordan Martin.

Ook man.

Also, just before people correct me, I kept calling it a chocheck rebound, but it's more like it kind of tipped it.

Oh, if they corrected you for that.

No, you should get things right.

Yeah, no, yes, we should. You should always get it right.

I was. I didn't watch it fully through it all from memory. You know what, stills.

But you know what, Jesse? How could you?

My bad.

Egregious.

Anyway, get everything.

Let's look at this. So, Jesse, pull up. That's that screenshot you have right there? Yeah.

The Martin Oak save.

Wow. What a save. That's crazy, dude.

I'm never forgiving Freddy if I'm Martin.

That's crazy.

I'm never forgiving him.

Hold on, hold on. He stole my moment, but this is crazy. And everybody was paying attention to this. And there was the pictures from inside the camera. Whatever. That's great. Jesse, can you rewind it just a little bit? And let's ask the audience what leads to this?

It's the puck going through Freddie again.

This is. Freddie has this man in this position. I don't care what kind of breakdown led to. Whatever. There is nobody between Freddy and this player.

It is a breakaway.

It was. It was a clean breakaway. One on one with the goalie.

Then he sees him coming the whole way.

Oh, Adam.

You'Re not giving this at any leeway.

If he embarrassed, the move isn't even that good. The move is pretty stark. And look where the puck goes, guys. Look at the puck goes. Look where the puck goes.

Yeah, he got beat five hole the net.

He got five. You should have been worried here. If you're Kane's fan, if you're a leaf fan, you already know. You already know. It's it's. It's coming apart at the seams here. Martin Oak.

Is that so cred easy. That's so crazy.

But one of the best plays.

We should have known. We should have known that something was wrong at that point. Because that's not a goaltender. That's stopping it. That's not a goaltender. That's shutting the door. That's not a goaltender who's making saves that they shouldn't perhaps make. That's not a goaltender who's driving the team forward.

You don't like it going through the goal like, okay, you don't want to give up if. You don't want to give up a.

Break, if it goes glove high.

Matty's laughing like I'm making a joke. I meant that earnestly, but it does sound funny. It's. No, you. You don't want it going through the goal.

That's right.

I think it did. I think it's true that in this series as a whole, the goaltenders that started for Carolina. Cause Korchakov, I don't think, stole a game either. I don't think Freddy or Korchakov stole a game for the Hurricanes in the same way that Igor did. You know, where you have a goalie who can make saves. That should be a goal. And he keeps you in those instances. I don't think Freddie or Kochakov did that. But they gave them a shot in most games, but they didn't get you that extra save that you'd like to put you over the hump average. And they. They fail. They fail to do that very often.

Well, let's look at goal number two. Actual goal number two. That was almost goal number two. Let's go to actual goal number two for the New York Rangers.

While Jesse's bringing that up. Hurricanes fans. Come on. All right, listen, I know this is a bad day for you, all right? I get it. David Ayers.

All right, let us.

Let us have this.

It's not.

Let us. Not even us. I'm trying. Let my friend have this.

I'm trying.

I don't hate Freddy as much as him, which is.

I don't hate Freddy. Freddie. I don't.

Oh, no.

But I know. I know a regular season goaltender when I see one.

Oh.

If Adam wanted to, and he's. He's doing it. If he wanted his Zapruder film for dumping on Freddie, this is the goal I would have started with this goal.

Well, I'm just pulling us through timeline.

I 100% agree. This is where you talk about your goaltender giving you a shot. You want them to make a save based on fundamentals and just getting things done. This 100% on Freddy. You got to make this save. What are you doing, Jesse?

So let's. Let's rewind it just a little bit here, because crider is about to raise his hands. Put us. So cry. Crider creating opportunities. This guy had a natural hat trick in the third period. So you already know this is going. But this is a Zabeena jad shot. That is from a tough angle. That should be a dead nothing shot, right?

Yeah. So he comes around the. He's basically on the red line just off of the rockstar zone, and he throws it at Freddy. And the puck's sitting next to the post, next to Freddy's skate. And Freddy doesn't react. He's not hugging his post. And Crider follows the play and pokes it and it goes right in.

That feels bad. Like, that feels like a group of really intelligent, really talented forwards picking a goalie apart.

Yeah, because they knew. Yeah. No, because they knew.

That's. That's not like a reading the play on the fly. That's. That's a hun that was discussed before.

If you look at how the Rangers score their goals throughout this series, it wasn't high skill plays, and I think your analysis nails it right there. It's very talented. Floors forwards doing. They're their tips. Like the tip drills they were on. Crider had one in this game, too. Panerans. Like, half of their. Half of their shots came from Jacob Truba throwing it on net from the blue line and then just doing good hockey stuff. And they never. They never tried to beat them with any china high end skill stuff. They beat them in these dirty areas and doing little things, like a little throw on the net, follow the play, punch it through the goalie who's not in position.

How did. How did the Bruins score a lot of goals on the Leafs in 18 and 19 when they did score a bunch of goals? Because here's the thing. Freddie would have all star caliber, incredible games in the playoffs.

We saw.

And then the next game, he'd let in six goals.

Yes.

So what happened? What would happen?

That's what would happen. They would just send a muffin on and it would beat him. There were players who scored on the Leafs in game seven who, like, I don't even think are in the NHL anymore. I'm pretty sure Joachim Nordstrom scored a goal, and I. It's never good when in a game seven, someone scores on you. And you go, who the hell is that? It's, it's, that's when the stars show up. Now, a lot, a lot of five hole and a lot of third period goals and elimination games because they went.

Into the third period up three to one.

When your season is on the line.

Yeah.

When your season is on the line and you're trying to do the impossible and coming back from a 30 deficit in a series is an impossibility, you know, like, you don't do it at 1318 left in the third period, you need a save like this. And if I'm the Hurricanes and I have all these pending UFAs and I know Freddy signed through next year, I don't know how you don't start next year with Kachakov being like, okay, if we got to run it back in this tandem because Freddy signed, Kachakov's gotta be your one. A.

Yes.

Because you see, at least, you know, in this instance, you know what you got in a, in the most crucial part of your season.

If he's healthy, Freddie Anderson is a very good regular season option for you. He played 19 games in the regular season, though. People forget that. Right. He was injured most of the year. He's been injured a lot.

Getting older, was it?

What's that?

Blood clots.

Blood clots.

Oh, is it blood clots? Okay, sir, fair enough. But yeah, he's had that. He's had that issue. So he was out.

He was out, yeah, but for medical reasons, not for injuries. On injuries is what I wanted to.

Clarify with the Leafs. He was. It was actual injuries. And I think there was a blood clot issue, too, but he had like a hip problem and whatever. Let's look at goal number three. This is where the Rangers tie it.

And this is where carrider as well.

This is crider as well. This is where Carolina season ends effectively.

I want to talk about crider once we're.

Yeah, I spend some time on the range footage.

This is the game. Listen, crider second goal is not a good goal, but it's a garbage.

Perfect.

Chris Chryder goal.

Adam Wild.

All right, it's got.

Are you telling me that goal was a good goal?

No, I'm just telling you.

Here we go. Freddie Anderson on this one.

Go ahead.

No, please, please. Just roll, Jesse.

I can't roll.

Okay.

Yeah, you have to do still images.

So what we have is Jesse, get us banned.

Jesse, I want to copyright strike.

How can we be demonetized as quickly as possible? Rangers, around the back of the net. We have a wraparound. And look at that. Freddie with lingering.

Comes around the back. Yeah, it's, it's a simple wraparound, and he sends it out front. Crowder's in perfect position. Natural hat trick. Rangers go up four three.

You'd like, I'd like my defense to be first on that.

Yep. I don't even hate that one. Yeah, I don't even hate that one.

To be first on.

But here's the thing. With 420 left in the third, they should have been up three two.

Mm hmm.

They might have, mighta. Had they, had they caught, had he, had he been in position earlier, they might have been up three nothing.

But you see what we're talking about with these Rangers goals? They're, they're perfectly executed little hockey plays. You wrap around, you throw it out in front. Your man is there because he's a vet and he knows what he's doing. His name is Chris Crider, and he's in position to score his third goal of the period, third in a row. And that's how they've executed all series long, getting all their goals. It's fantastic hockey to watch on both sides. Like hurricanes played well as well, but they just, they got down too early.

I think I gave you the wrong goal there because I wanted to get the tie one. Did I get the wrong one?

But anyway. Oh, you wanted go ahead this before three goal.

Yeah, I wanted the tie. I was like, wait. Yeah. I was like, wait a second. That doesn't seem right.

While you're, while you're looking for the proper goal, let me give flowers to someone instead.

I have them all.

Oh, you have?

Yeah.

So do you want, you want this one? Yeah, you, we can do your thing. What is your thing?

Are you sure? No, we're in the mid freddy.

Okay.

We're in the middle of.

We'll do Freddy.

You want the, the power play goal?

Yes.

Yes.

Now, I understand that sometimes you go down shorthanded and you allow a goal. Right. And is this one that bad? Is this one this egregious? It's across ice. It's the Rangers doing something amazing, which they're very good at. They're very good at moving the puck. They're very good at getting shots from the point, as Jesse mentioned. It was true, but, and all these guys throw pucks. In that case, it's not true, but.

This time it was Panarin who was everywhere. Paneran throws it on net. Great tip. That's how they got their goals.

And this is what. And we, so we already showed you the four three goal. This is the three three.

Sorry, I thought you wanted the fourth. No problem.

This is, this is the reason that the goal against the post and the one in the first period just kill you because goals that should go in, goals where a goalie doesn't have a shot are going to happen. You're going to take penalties, you're, you're going to go down, you're going to get, it's the playoffs. These are all very, very good teams. But when you go back to goal number two, that's, that's the kind of stuff that sinks a team. When you go back to what Martin Oak saved, that's the kind of goal that sinks a team. And Freddie was, and is, to me anyway, still a goalie that allows dagger goals, goals that stab your team in the heart and, and he wasn't good last night. He, he also had some real stinkers in this series. I think that Carolina bailed him out on the last game.

I will say like, that is the Rangers power play, picking the Hurricanes apart.

Right. But it doesn't, it's not as much of a problem if you don't let in the shitty five on five goal against the post or the, or the one in the first period where, yes, there's a Carolina breakdown and there's some chaos, but Freddie completely loses the pie.

Well, that's you planting the seed of doubt. Right?

And I. Listen, we have, we have a culture in hockey of you can't blame the goaltenders. Actually, you can't actually can. This is not a goaltender who's going to get you over the hump. End of story. End of story.

I don't think any Hurricanes fan would leave this series saying we have our goaltender. That's going to lead us to the Stanley cup final. Agree. Next season. Like, I feel, I feel like a base. Like obviously we have 82 games to play next year and you can play your way into a role come the playoffs. But if you were to start next playoffs with this knowledge only, I think you go into it and say, yeah, let's give Kachakov a run at this.

I think so.

You know. Cause we kind of know what we have here in Freddie Anderson. So if that's the point to be made, I agree with that.

Flowers.

Give the flower.

Steve wants none of the flowers away.

No, no. It's like, I feel like.

No, I just feel like. Listen, every time I said he was bad in the playoffs, people talking about, dude, I've seen this guy, he was books out, the books out.

The second best goalie in the series every time.

And every time. He was the second best goalie in the series.

It's not difficult to be the second best goalie when you're going up against the best goalie in the.

The world.

No. So you know what?

Okay.

Fair.

Flowers. You know what? I've decided. No flowers. I. Because. No, no, I'm gonna do the flower.

You gotta do flower.

But I'm looking for the stat that we were talking about last night. It is hard because all we were doing was talking about Adam Scheffler all morning.

Scotty.

Scotty Scheffler. My bad, Adam. My bad.

Adam Schefter from the Adam had with.

Oh, here it is. From. From Matt Larkin. Keynes, the Hurricanes in Bryndemore era.

Boo this.

Boo the stat. Boo it. And this isn't a shot at Matt, but boo the stat.

Yeah.

Keynes in the Brindamore era have been eliminated by. Tukarask. Tukarask. Andre Vasilevsky, Igor Shasturkin, Sergei Bobrovsky. Igor Shasturkin. Yeah, there's. There's good goalies in the playoffs.

I actually tweeted last night that I think the Leafs. And I think the reason the Leafs haven't. Haven't picked a coach yet, because the rumor is it's gonna be Tuesday and it's gonna be peruvian. That's the rumor.

Right. Darren Dragger said that, but.

Are you kidding me? That they're not gonna at least try to find out if Rod is resigning in Carolina? Why? If it's gonna be Berube, it's gonna be Beru.

I like this game. Let's. I want to do this game. So the Leafs.

Mm hmm.

Braden Holpi.

Mm hmm.

Tukar. Ask Tukarask. Eunice Corpus Salo. Jail, jail, jail.

Yeah. Jail, jail.

Carrie Price. Andre Vasilevsky. Sergey Bobrovsky. Jeremy Swaiman. It's good. Goalies in the playoffs.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off there.

Yeah, no, no.

Yeah, no, it's good.

Like, there's good goalies in the playoffs. Corpus Hollow and Riz Leakin's jail.

So I want.

No, no. And then flowers. Now I gotta do the flowers.

Do the flowers.

Chris Crider is the most stupidly incredible playoff goal scorer and criminally underrated. So Joe Pavelski is also in that conversation? Yes. He scored in game five, his 74th career playoff goal. This is first goal of the playoffs. He struggled in these playoffs, but he's literally one of the best playoff goal scorers ever, and he's got more goals in the Stanley cup playoffs since Sidney Crosby and Alexander Ovechkin debuted than Sidney Crosby and Alexander Ovechkin. He's a stupidly good player, and he never won the cup either. Maybe he'll get it this year. Goals in the playoffs since Chris Crider made his NHL debut. Nikita Kutrov 53. Brad Marchand 45. Sidney Crosby 41. Oh, I'm not arranged by goals. Sorry. Joe Pavelski 54.

Wow.

Nikita Kucharov 53. Andre Pilots. 51. Underrated Nathan McKinnon 48. Chris Kreider tied with Alex Ovechkin for 47. Now, here's the difference. So, like, there's not a huge discrepancy, right? 54 to 47. Chris Kreider's played 117 games. Ovi's at 114. But Ovies. Ovi Pavelski's played 136. Kucrow's played 147. Pilots at 150. Crider kills these guys. Now there's only one player on that list who he doesn't kill. Nathan McKinnon. 48 goals in 87 games. Alien. Alien.

What you're saying is the Leafs need crider if they're gonna score in the playoffs.

Whatever. All those friggin rumors over all those years, whatever your team thought about paying for Crider, they should have done it. Oh, yeah, they should have done it.

Yeah.

No, he's an. Absolutely, by the way, he's a crazy player. And there's another guy who hasn't won the cup.

Shout out, Andre Pilat.

Shut up. Andre Pilat.

Chris Kreider joins, like, not elite company at all. Wayne Gretzky and Mark Messier, who's the only New York Rangers to score three goals in one period in the playoffs.

Wow.

So now it's maybe.

Maybe messy. And Crider gave his award to the wrong guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I love the play for about that later on.

This is so Crider and Pavelski are the only two in the top ten. So this is since 2012, who haven't won a cup asterisk on that. So Pavelski hasn't won. Kutrav is two. Pilates two. McKinnon has one. Ov has one. Terasenko has one. Stamkos has two. Point has two. The asterisk is on Brad Marchand, who has won a Stanley cup, but not since this stat, right?

Yeah. Brad Marchand won it, and he was.

Like, it was 2011, and he was a rookie. Yeah, but this is as of the 2011, or, sorry, 2012 Stanley cup playoffs, when Crider made his debut and he had, I believe, five goals during that run as a rookie.

They.

Oh, good.

The Rangers made some line changes, which they've tended to do throughout the playoffs. One of the biggest changes was on defense where they moved Keandre Miller to. Well, they moved up Jacob Truba technically to the second pairing with Miller. And I thought it was a little better because Kendra Miller, I think is fantastic defensively and not having him paired with Gustafsson. You don't have that third pair that the Carolina, Carolina Hurricanes can just go out there and just burn every single time. You know, when Truman Gustavson are on the ice, the expected goals are going to go through the roof of the Hurricanes. And that didn't happen because Kendra Miller was out there even though they struggled a little defensively and like some of that's true, but because he hasn't been great. But I thought they were a lot better and they figured, I like that pairing. You stick with that when you go into game one against Florida.

Part of it too, by the way, is Carolina is very good.

Yes.

Jake Ensil is amazing again in the playoffs because he always is. Jake Gentle playoff Jake Gensel the, the biggest, the saddest thing about playoff Jake gentle is we haven't got more of it recently.

Let me look him up.

Look him up.

One thing we're doing on the stream, Justin Fisher said if I pick two players and if either of them score, he's going to gift a bunch of subs to the chat.

Yep.

And one guy I picked, the one guy I picked for the Hurricanes was Sebastian Ajo. And just if we're going through hurricanes, hey, they've been really good, but their season's over. All that stuff. I think aho deserves his flowers there because he was outstanding for most of the series. A dumb penalty here or there, but he offensively, he is one of the most underrated stars in the whole league. And just what he does, because he plays in Carolina, he doesn't get the recognition that he deserves. But Ajo was a star and he.

Scored last night on the Gensler conversation. He is 6th in goal scoring since his NHL debut, six in playoffs.

And here's the thing. How many goals and how many games? Cause that's the most impressive part.

He has 38 Stanley cup playoff goals in just 69 Stanley cup playoff games. 67 points. Tricycles of fucking alien crazy. He has 39 goals in 59 games. So he's actually played fewer games than Gensle and he has in those 59 games. How many points? Let's take a guess. Take a guess. 59 Stanley cup playoff games for dry saddle. How many points?

Oh my gosh. It's I'm gonna. I'll double it. So I'll say 120.

Okay. Aggressive.

Less than that. Probably 105.

Okay. You guys are fuckers. 98.

Oh.

Which is still insane.

I expected them to be like, through the moon.

Well, I think that is through the moon. The best stat is last year's playoffs. Two players finished, tied for goals, goals scored in the playoffs. One of them with Jonathan was Jonathan Marshiseau. He scored his final goal in Vegas. His final game, Leon Drysidle was the other. He finished in the second round. Yeah.

Dry sidell's career. So 98 points in 58. Sorry. 98 points in 59 career Stanley cup playoff games over an 82 game pace. That's 136 points.

With the.

Holy shit.

With the last note in the Hurricanes before just some more just gushing over the Rangers. They were truly all in, in this playoff run. Their list of UFAs now that the season is over is Brett Pesci, Tony D'Angelo, Brady Shea, Jalen Chatfield, Jake Gensel, Jordan Martin, Stefan Nason and Tivo Terravinen. That is a list of some of the best players on the Hurricanes. And obviously with all of those UFas, a lot of them are going to come back, but a lot of them need new contracts. And the RFAs are Seth Jarvis, Jack Jury, Marty Nietzsche. Like, all of the big guys on this team need contracts. And this was their go for it year, and it didn't work out.

Rumored to be. There have been whispers about nature.

Let me add to that. You know who else is a free agent? The entire coaching staff and Don Waddell.

And therefore the way they played. There are gotta be questions with the coaching staff. I feel like, because we all love Rod and what he's done in Carolina, they've been very successful in his tenure. But when they get to the playoffs, for their power play to be. It started off over 16 in this series.

That's why.

That's a large reason. You're down 30.

I mean, that's the series, right? That's it.

The first three games you lose them, you're over 16. It's kind of. It's right there. And for the way they play defensively, where they play man a man defense. Man defense has never historically been successful. In the recent NHL. Most of the teams that win the Stanley cup or go to the Stanley cup are hybrid teams. They play defensively, man slash, zone, hybrid, or they're just strictly zone. And then the low percentage shots they take, we can rack up 50 shots. But if like three of them are only high danger, then that's a coaching problem, too.

They don't have the personnel for man and, like, it Carolina doesn't. I wouldn't say they have weaknesses, but they have soft spots.

So if you don't have the personnel for man, is that not your. On your coach to switch it to a zone?

Well, like, I mean, chat, chat. Field has been a really good surprise. Burns is big and tough and old. He's old. And D'Angelo. Why'd you get D'Angelo back?

Yeah, we can fix him. Said the fifth team you already knew.

Like, is like, is that just a, is that a philosophical thing? Like, we know what he can't do, but, you know, he can move the puck, like, all right, well, sometimes you got to defend a two goal lead in the third period, and they, they're, they don't have the worst decor in the league, by any measure, but it's, you go and look at some of the recent winners. They don't have that.

So are we looking at a team that was very well built for regular season success, and once they get to the playoffs and playoff hockey is different, they falter.

I have an issue. They've, I have an issue with that.

They've won a playoff series. Like, what is it, eight?

Let me, let me, let me, let me tell you. Yeah, here's the issue I have. When I tweeted that the, the leaf should call Rod. You should at least call him if you can, if you're allowed to. Hello, Rod. People were like, what do you want? Sheldon Keef, 2.0.

Okay. Okay.

Regular season coach guy. Guys, here's Rod's record in the last six seasons. Lost in the third round his first year as the head coach. Lost in the first round his second year. Oh, man, that's COVID. Year.

What year? What year is that? He starts 18.

1918. He was the assistant for six years before that comes that, becomes the head coach in the summer before 1819. And so. 1819. 3rd round. 1920. COVID. Lost in the first round. 2021. Lost in the second. 2022. Sorry. 21, 22. Lost in the second round last year. Third round this year, second round.

And my analysis of the team that's built for, like, tremendous regular season success and all that kind of comes, comes back to, like, recent memory of the Florida series loss and what happened this year and that you saw Florida. I get that. He says they, they played close, but you see the, some of the, a lot of the same faults that happened in this Ranger series where their defense is good. Like, it's solid, but they're, they're beat consistently in these dirty areas and the low percentage shots and their offense dies at some point.

So I want to add to that, though. Hang on, hang on.

Yeah.

Cause I think you're right and I think you're about to say something, but I want to. I want to jump in before you say it.

Okay.

I think that's a philosophy that is similar to what the one the Leafs had. They built this team similar to what the Leafs did. They weren't as top heavy salary wise, but you're talking about a team who, who built and played a lot of the same ways that Toronto Maple Leafs were trying to play, whether or not they accomplished it.

Dubas, on more than one occasion, I'm pretty sure, said that, you know, they hold the Carolina Hurricanes as somewhat of a standard in the league, and I.

Think we're seeing that that theory has its merits, but it isn't the complete theory.

Yeah.

It's not the success. It's not the path to success that it was theorized a decade ago.

Those six seasons under Brindlemore, I counted seven series wins. Now here I am. Here I am as a leaf fan having an existential crisis. Is that actually good? Is that better than it sounds in my head?

Ask San Jose. Right?

Like, I don't know. If you look at that tenure and I'm satisfied with the success. I know you read off a bunch of, like, second round exits and that.

Final two, final four appearances, two final.

Fours, and last year you got. Correct, crushed. And the first one was closer than that. Definitely. But I don't know, if you look at that tenure and say, like, this hurricane team has been over, like, are they satisfied is what I'm trying to say.

Well, no.

Right.

Like, at some point, like when it happens consistently, it wears on you. Are the leaves bad? Have they been bad for the last. Since 2016? No, of course not. Make the playoffs every year regularly, over 100 points or flirting with 100 points, they have a plateau. And with the Hurricanes, what's the goal, Stanley?

Win the cup.

Win around every year when a cup.

No.

Yeah, you want to win the cup.

And grind your coach.

And grind your coach in the middle of the playoffs every time.

Definitely plant stories in the media about how you rescinded the offer.

Yeah. Like, whichever one of you guys is doing this, because I wonder if Rod is.

If Rod did that, that's the still bad.

I know. Whoever. Maybe they deserve each other. I don't know.

Yeah, maybe.

I don't think it's helpful to anyone in the middle of the playoffs, but I mean, with the Hurricanes, they have to be wondering if this team is good enough to do it. They have to be.

Well, I think part of it. A part of it is have. They've never had. They've always done goaltending by committee. They always have. And they've had some good results with it. Yeah, but not great results.

I'm trying to think of their last, like, consistent, bona fide starter. Like, I want to say Freddie was nominated for the Vesna his first year there, but I'm talking about like year in, year out, like for like a three year stretch where you're like, this is our guy.

It's always, is Freddie hurt or is anti ranta hurt? Oh, look, it's this Kochekov guy. He's good, right?

Like, what I'm saying is you need a guy who you can turn, turn to. Like, they had morazic and he was good for them. That's why the Leafs gave him the contract that they did. Like, who is their last consistent starter, Cam Ward.

I don't know, actually. No.

Maybe like year in year.

But they are. They are. As of now, as of 2024, they are this decade San Jose Sharks.

Mmm.

They are.

And a lot.

And the Sharks got further. The Sharks went to the finals.

I know a lot of teams would kill for that. It's not good enough.

It isn't. And so there will be changes and the GM's up and the coach is up and the staff is up and all those players that Jesse mentioned are up.

I didn't know that Waddell needed a contract. That's news to me. Interesting.

And interestingly today, remember I told you super veteran, super veteran GM in Columbus. So the Ken Holland to Columbus rumors have picked up this morning.

I noticed.

And I would not be shocked to see Don Waddell's name get in there, too.

Maybe both in CBJ.

Just a thought. I don't know if it's hot or not. I think it's going to be Eric Tolski's team here. And it's a question of, because they really have been playing in Eric Tulski and I've been a big fan of Eric Tolski. They've been playing his strategy. The one thing I'll say about the Kanes, when was the last trade they lost?

Oh, no. They're consistently a very clever trading.

When was the last signing they lost?

Mmm.

Do they have bad money on the books? The cock and Yemi. Okay. Cocky Emmy. Okay.

It's not awesome.

It's not awesome.

It was really funny at the time.

Yeah.

Not awesome.

No.

But I think that's a player that.

Peaked in the rookie year. Yeah, maybe.

Oh, my God. The Leafs really let that guy ice them? Like, oh, my God.

Like. Like Brad said, and he said it perfectly. And by the way, it's the. It's the quote of the year. I don't know why we haven't recognized it yet. We turn every team's goaltender into the best goaltender in the league.

Yeah. Hello, doc. We're talking about it again.

Yeah. Yeah.

Hey, by the way, no, it's game six this time. Game seven didn't matter. We all know it was over.

The Empire State Building tweeted that. That the Carolina hurricane should apologize to the islanders because they. Because the Carolina hurricanes had their saying for this playoffs, which was cryo, right?

Yes.

And then they retweeted themselves and they're, like, gonna go do this now. And then the Empire State Building, the official account, tweeted at them and said, apologize to the islanders.

That's how the Empire State building loses fans. Like, even Rangers fans today would be like, no, no, no.

They did the right thing.

No, no. Listen, we just beat those guys last night, but fuck the islanders.

No, I think. I think we missed out on a subway series. It would have been great to have them both in there.

Yeah. But, you know, maybe we saw the.

Islanders playing the playoff. It wouldn't have been close. This was much better for the entertainment time.

They got their ass kicked.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think this was. This was good for hockey fans.

Yeah. You know what? The islanders should apologize to Jesse and I for. Yeah.

For making us believe.

That's who you should apologize, ending the season.

Seven, two and one, or whatever they did.

It was eight, one and one, I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, there you go. Even better.

So good.

And we're like, oh, they're gonna ride that.

You guys stink. How dare you?

So, ok. And losing his job.

Oh, God. Yeah. You know what I wonder about? Those are a couple teams. I wonder about Carolina and the Islanders. They're teams that you look at and you go, that you simply can't continue doing what you're doing. Like, Carolina actually can't because everybody's up.

Well, they already. Sorry. Not they. The hurricane. The islanders already fired their coach, so, you know, there's some upheaval there. You know, heard some whispers of Lou leaving, and then he refuted those and made me go, okay, cool. Glad I didn't say that publicly. I think they're. They're going to tinker like that. Team has been together a really long.

Time, and they've done a lot of nothing the last three years.

Yeah, a lot of nothing drafted. Okay. Like, they have some good up and coming, but, like, the hurricanes are in this weird spot where they're clearly good and also clearly not good enough.

Jake, cancel is going to get a.

Fortune this summer from someone. It ain't going to be Carolina.

Carolina. Apparently they. Apparently they do want to keep them. They just, you know.

Yeah.

You know how they are about paying.

For, like, six mil? Like, because they're nuts. Like, get out of here. Well, I don't. I don't know.

Like, what if simply less said the carol.

Yeah. We're going to trade Marty Nietzsche's because he's going to get paid, but also we're gonna empty a brinks truck for. No. I'll be surprised.

Okay. Jesse Blake is influential.

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Okay.

And it's making the rounds on social media. And I thought I'd read a little bit of it to you who tweeted this. This is. But it is. I did listen to it.

Ah, yes.

Here's what he says about Berube.

No, wait, this is. We know this is true.

Yes, we know this is true. One of my favorite coaches I never got the chance to play for.

Hey, Carlo, did you say this?

If you bring in a guy like Berube, it has to symbolize a culture change because Birube is not going to be one of those guys who holds back in the, on the things he says in the media, brutally honest. And he doesn't tell you what he feels like you might want to hear. He tells you what you need to hear. And that's something I always appreciated. And I guess he goes on to talk about the fact that, you know, some players don't get any communication as to why they're scratched from a particular game. That was a big problem in Toronto with Mike Babcock. He just wouldn't talk to you. He just ice you.

And I guess about John Tortorella with his captain.

Also a good point, Jesse. Also a good point. So I don't know everything I hear about this guy. I wasn't sold on him, but everything I hear about this guy is that it's really good. My question to the two of you is, okay, and Blues fans, I want to ask you to is it actually or is this Toronto falling in love with a guy before he gets here, only to later find out that he's a human being and has flaws. Yeah.

Now, okay, we do this.

We do this. We did it with Babs. We did it with Ron Wilson. We did it with Randy Carlisle.

There's the name. Our team is too soft and they don't listen. And we need a hard ass who's going to come in and be a hard ass and he's going to say, I want a Stanley cup with a big belligerent team because I was a hard ass. And we fall in love with him before he's even named head coach. That fits the Randy Carlisle timeline. Exactly.

Now, I'm not exactly completely different people, different eras. I'm not doubting what Carlo is saying, but are we, as fans jumping in with both feet when we really should be like, wait a second, I'm gonna let the results come to me first before I make my mind up.

No, we're making like, fairly ridiculous. Oh, yeah. Rod Brindemore is just Sheldon Keef. You know how many people said that prior to two weeks ago? Zero on the planet. None. What are you talking about Keef and Brindemore?

Not the same.

They're not the same. And, you know, now here we are going Craig Berube, Randy Carlisle. It's more talking about it, not stylistically, just in terms of reaction.

Pre hiring.

We've got a name stuck in our head. None of you wanted Brad. True living, let's be honest. You know what I mean?

Brad Trilliving was the only person available at the time because how quickly the Leafs made the decision to fire Dubas and then how quickly they had to make a decision to hire Brad Treliving, new general manager and Brad Trelliving was just recently fired by Calgary. Is like, okay, here's an experienced general manager who works in the canadian market, works in the game for a long time, has a good resume. Let's hire him. It wasn't like there was this extensive search for over a month with all of these great candidates. It was true living is available. He fits every checkbox. Let's do this.

Like, to me, you need, you do need a coach to deliver a message. You need a coach to get the most out of your players. The end of the day, it comes down to the players. You know what I mean? Like no matter. No.

And they're switching up the players, though.

Yeah, well, exactly. Like no matter who the president is, no matter who the general manager is, who the coach is. And, you know, hearing what Craig Berube is does make a very, very small percentage of my brain. Like, I'm talking like 0.8%. I'm not even going to give it one. 0.8% of my brain is like, well, what if you just gave this group to Craig Berubie? No, no, no. I want that. That attitude is appealing to me and also change. There has to be change here in terms of the personnel. So.

Well, otherwise there's no accountability.

Yeah, right.

I guess what I'm saying here is, like, we had this conversation recently. How many truly great, like, other echelon coaches are there in the NHL? Is that number big? My guess is no. Is Craig Barube in that echelon? My guess is no. My guess is no. Like, are those consistent results there? Like, who's in that conversation? Like, John Cooper is definitely in that conversation. Is Paul Maurice creeping into that conversation or does he just have a team perfectly built for Paul Maurice?

Well, creeping, but he hasn't won anything.

Yep.

He can't be in it. He hasn't won.

All right, so is it no one else?

Bruce Cassidy had a lot of success in Boston. Lost in the finals two.

Two appearances. And in the.

Won the championship with Vegas.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He might be in there.

I'll. I'll concede to. That is a good answer.

Like, I guess. I guess what I'm getting Jared Bednar. Don't get too, too. Jared Benner is pretty good.

That's a good answer.

Like, don't get too, too caught up in the name, I guess, is what I'm saying.

Like, we gotta wait for the effect on the actual team.

Yeah.

And that, unfortunately, is months away.

Well, you need a coach who will get their players to listen. This is, for a lot of these stars. Gonna be their third coach. And maybe what you find out with Craig Barube is they don't listen, and then it's not the coach's fault. It's yours for not moving off of the players. So, like, I. It'll be exciting the day that the Leafs sign a new head coach. I was really excited to see Mark Savard's name thrown in there.

Yeah.

Former co worker. Let's go.

I think it was Boomer on the Barn Burner podcast, apparently this morning said that Savvy's going. It's confirmed.

I'm going to leave empty netters.

Did they have it?

Said it last night.

Okay, there you go.

So they're all over my TikTok, and now they're also all over my Twitter. I followed them last night. I didn't know they had it, so I followed them. I'm sorry. I know. I was really excited about that.

I bet they were super pissed that you hadn't followed.

Probably not. Probably don't know I exist. I was. I hadn't even thought of the assistance coming from St. Louis or anyone who had worked with Burube, so I was really happy to see Savard's name. But in terms of a head coach, I. You know, I think we overanalyzed that. Hockey's rocket science, and I think the Leafs right now have the talent that what they really need is a motivator. They need a motivator. And Sheldon Keefe, we. He's. I don't think he's that. I think he's X's and O's guy. And you know that clip going around of the game seven prep, Sheldon Keef and TD Garden going, all right, let's have fun. And you got Barubi, like, let's go with the fucking cup tonight. Like, it's just. They're two completely different styles. If you need that. Sheldon's not your guy. He's great at other shit. And if you want him to be that guy for you, go and get him. He's probably one of the better guys in the league at that, but. And perhaps if you need someone to bring hellfire and brimstone, that's. That's not him.

Have you ever seen that, that tick tock trend where it's like men and women are pointing out things that they like about their partner? Like, hmm, somebody cooked here. As in, like, somebody. Somebody taught this person how to do this thing right before me. And I feel like maybe. Maybe if Keefe is the X's and O's guy and Berube comes in and sees some success, maybe there's a little bit of, hey, somebody cooked here. But we got you to do. We got you motivated to do the right thing this time.

Yeah. Like what? Like, what happens when a coach gets fired mid season and then a new coach comes in and they go on to win the cup? Which is something Berube did. Do all the players go, oh, that's how you play? Like, do we think Barube walked in there and went to Jordan Bennington? He's like, what if you, like, made saves?

Yeah.

What if you just saved the puck, rookie? Oh.

Jake told me. Not. Oh, Jake.

Stop.

Allen. Jake Allen. In case you were wondering who Jake was, like, I think the Blues needed a motivator in there and some friggin.

Saves because they were a team with outrageous talent.

Yeah. And they went from last place to unbeatable and won the cup. You know, like, I, again, I don't think this is rocket science.

Can I give you a stat that talks about head coaches and their Stanley cup pedigree?

Yes, please give me.

I know Jeff Merrick said this, and it blew my mind. If you look at, this is a crazy stat.

Yes.

You look at head coaches who have won the Stanley cup and then gone on to win another Stanley cup with a different team. The list for me begins and ends with Scottie Bowman because only three head coaches have ever done that in the history of the NHL.

Okay.

Scottie Bowman.

Have won a cup with more than.

One team, have won a head coach who has won a. Wow. Won a Stanley cup with more than one team. The list is three people.

Let's see if I can name these.

Scotty Bowman. No, you can't. Tommy Gorman.

Oh, no way.

And Dick Irving. Tommy Gorman did it in 19, 34, 35. Doesn't. Doesn't count. I'm sorry. Dick Irving did it in 1930, 219 46. He won with the Leafs in 1932. And then one of the Canadians in 44, 46 and 53. Schrader doesn't count. So let's look at modern era coaches who have won the Stanley cup with multiple teams. It starts and it ends with Scottie Bowman, who won with the Canadians in 73, 76, 79, the Penguins in 92, and then the Red Wings, 97, 98, and zero two. So the idea that decades, too, Scotty Bowman's on another level.

Yeah.

Yeah. So even if you want to say Scottie Bowman's a unicorn and nobody can reach Scotty Bowman, so you x amount on the impossibility of that, the list is kind of zero. So the idea that somebody wins a Stanley cup, they go to their next team, and you're going to see a success isn't true.

Pedigree doesn't matter then.

It's never in terms of winning the Stanley cup in a vacuum here. It's never happened.

My other replies to my tweet last night about Rod Brendamore. Oh, I want a coach who's won the cup.

No.

No, you don't actually. You actually don't at all.

Statistically, if your team signs a coach who has won the Stanley cup, you are virtually guaranteeing you will not win it.

Yes. Unless there are. Crazy. Unless there are six teams in the National Hockey League or that man is Scottie Bowman. Outside of those two specific scenarios, no other head coach has ever done it.

What were those two years that the other guys who aren't Scottie Bowman did it?

Dick Irving did it in 32 with the Leafs and then 46, 44 and 50 Canadian.

You said the first one.

So? So Dick Irving did in 32 and 44. Tommy Gorman did it in 34 and 35. So in back to back years, he traded teams because there were so little teams around.

My mother's mother, who has been dead for a very long time, was born in 1935.

There you go.

That's how long.

The year Tommy Gorman got his second championship with his second team.

A 91. No, 89 years ago. That's 89 years ago.

Wow.

Yeah, it's so. I think if you want a head.

Coach, it's time for that record to change, isn't it, Desi? I agree.

Come on.

So either Craig Berube signs with the Leafs and he breaks the impossible record and becomes the fourth coach to ever do it, or the Leaf should go with somebody who's never won a Stanley cup.

That's. I don't think. Thank God Jeff said that, because anyone has ever framed it. Well, he didn't frame it this way, but I'm going to. If you sign a coach who won a Stanley cup with another team, you've basically signed your own death warrant. You're not winning the cup statistically, unless their name is Scottie Bowman, they have a 0% chance.

Or they were coaching before Steve's grandmother was born.

Yes.

You have a.

In a league with double digit numbers of teams, you have a 0% chance of winning the Stanley cup if the head coach you're signing is not. Scottie had previously won the Stanley cup, and they're not named Scottie Bowman.

Yes.

What?

One of the things that the Islanders apparently did when they were looking for head coaches to replace Lane Lambert is they. They looked at coaching careers and said, where do coaches find most of their success?

Their second team.

Their second team. Now this will be Berube second team.

You know what I just realized?

What?

We're so fucked. Sheldon Keef's gonna go somewhere with the Standing cup. No. Whenever Sheldon Keef signs, they are winning the Stanley Cup.

New Jersey. Enjoy.

Oh, my God.

Jack Hughes.

We just handed a Stanley cup to Jack Hughes.

No. The brat pack are going to be insufferable.

Oh, no. Akira Schmidt. Welcome to the Stanley cup. Your name is going to be etched in there forever.

Dougie Hamilton's day with the cup is at a museum. It's going to be great. I can't.

Oh, no.

By the way.

Oh, God.

A lot of these days, and today is not the day we need to go through leading up to free agency. The free agents that Brad Trilliving got in got in the door last year. Cause he took a lot of shit.

No, I'm too depressed.

And I feel like we got an exciting free agency.

No.

Wrap the show.

Can't do it. Can't do it.

I can't do it.

I want to do it.

We got Sheldon keef a job too early.

Fuck.

Right guy. Wrong.

Exactly.

You know?

Right? In a different lifetime, we would have been together in another key from the Stanley Cup.

I hate these stats breaking my brain. All right. We got a brand new head coach. Yeah. Waste of time before. Yeah. He won before, guys. Waste of time.

That's why rods, your guy. Second head coach job hasn't won the cup.

You've convinced me.

Send this clip to Rod.

You've convinced me.

Rod, Rod, Rod, Rod, Rod.

Abs, abs. Oh, sorry. Yeah, he's in great shape. He's great shape. Crazy.

We will put dumbbells on the bench, like, whatever you need.

You know what I think is funny?

Uh huh.

Adam went to Leafs content and offseason content. Before we talked about Florida, Boston, or Dallas, Colorado? Ooh, who cares?

His people got in the chat. People got the chat on me, Matt.

You find that funny? Why?

Listen, it was the right call, and I stand by it.

Pretty sure that was like, 40 minutes.

Yeah, it was the right thing. No, I got Columbus in before the coach. All right? Sometimes you need to get a little off season.

I did get Columbus in before. Florida, Boston, or Colorado.

Worst run team in the NHL right now. I'm fascinated by what they do. I'm so. I can't wait. And you know what the great thing is? Whoever they bring in, they're gonna have some weird success. And weirdo Columbus fans are gonna be like, see? We told you. Okay? Now, the Colorado avalanche. Stay of execution.

Man, that. That team is absurd. They're absurd. I mean, Caleb Makar can do whatever he wants, and Nathan McKinnon can do whatever he wants, and there's not a thing you can do about either of them. You can win games in series that way.

Yes.

Your goaltending is meh. Your defense is pretty good. You didn't have much depth to begin with, and now you have less. Like, yeah, but those guys, it's. It's like they have a huge problem scoring the first goal. I think it's seven games in these playoffs. They've conceded the first.

They love trailing and coming all the way back and scored a bunch of goals.

When, like, ice tilt is a thing. Like when. When a team score effects are a thing.

That's the deserved widow meter.

Yes. When a team is down and they cheat for offense, no one in the entire NHL is close to them. Not the Oilers, not no one. When the avalanche decide it's fuck defense season, it's crazy. No one's better.

What about. No one's close. What about the Shark?

Yeah.

Flyers.

Where'd you. What about the Sharks?

I'm just. I'm just listing teams. Who's. Who's better than them?

No.

The Sabers.

No.

The red wing.

No.

The Panthers.

No.

The Lightning.

No.

The Islanders. Keep going.

No.

Yes.

Please, God. Please, God.

Oh, come on, Adam. Well, 32 teams. We need to find out.

We can't.

Well, no one is better.

No one. Not even close.

But everybody, honestly, if you. If you pulled people, I think most people would say the Dallas Stars are the best team remaining.

I. Dude, my Stanley cup final prediction of stars, Rangers. Right now.

Jake's in the stars.

I already did it, though. Like, I already picked them. I. It's looking not bad.

No power rankings. I got Rangers over stars.

Really?

Yeah. The Rangers are so deadly right I mean, they're.

Goaltending is other worlds spectacular.

What do they both have in common? They're both getting goaltending, and they both can score from everywhere in their lineup.

Oh, yeah.

Dallas's depth is insane.

The depth on the Rangers is insane. Like their four group is insane. Who was your Stanley cup pick, Adam?

The Toronto Maple Leafs.

No. What was the matchup?

I think was leaf spoilers.

You're. Oh, yeah. Leaf soilers.

I always pick the least. You know this.

Yeah.

I will not bet against the leafs. That's my rule, you fool. I don't. Listen, it's a bracket. I'm not hinging my masculinity on it. I don't really. I don't really care that much what I'm here for.

That an option on me?

Stupid. You don't know. You didn't know either. You didn't know either. These guys, who are both very intelligent people, picked the islanders to win this, the first round, and so did Matty.

Oh, Matty.

Oh, no, Matty, you didn't. Okay, sorry, Maddie. Go ahead.

Who's your bracket?

I was just gonna say, like, even.

I picked the Canucks. Oh, hey, there we go. The number one Canucks fan doesn't pick the.

I know.

Whoa. Called out.

Yeah.

It's true.

It's true.

Bias.

Bias.

I'm and anti oilers.

Adam bias.

The other.

We haven't done a check in on the r bracket challenge. Remember, we have prizes on the line.

Oh, that's right.

Let me see if I can pull up the SDP and bracket challenge. If you guys want a filler buster for me in view brackets.

I'm looking at it. I have to log into NHL zone. NHL zone. Steve.

Yeah.

There's NHL Ed and there's NHL zone.

There are a lot of things.

Yeah. Edge. Excuse me.

Edge.

All right. View brackets. All right, you ready? I had to, Nate. I couldn't name myself Adam Wilde because the team wouldn't let me. Or the. And I do want to say that I got the entire western conference. Correct.

Hey.

To the second. To the second round. And I got half of the Eastern Conference. So I got Florida, New York. I got Edmonton, Vancouver, Colorado, Dallas. So I get Jack. I get Jack. I.

No, you don't. So our SCPN bracket challenge is still going on, and we have, as we announced at the beginning of the playoffs, surprising. So we have a Jonathan Marchiseau, Jack Eichel, and Mark Stone. Figurine dolls.

I can't wait to give these to.

Dallas Stars fans that the winner will receive. You get your choice of which one you want and whoever is in first place of the bracket challenge once the playoffs ends. Right now.

Wait, Adam. Actually, you don't have your box properly.

Injured reserve right now.

I have what? Right now I have up the standings of the SDPN bracket challenge. In first place, Vogta underscore M Sc.

Holy moly. There's only been Vojta.

Wow. And second place, mo money. Twelve s. Bracket one. Third place. We have a bunch of ties for second. Actually. 123456 people are tied for second. Wow. Sidden, 62. Cody James, Jesse, 98. Not me. Ryan and Jay. They're all tied with 128 total points. One of the top a lot. Oh, there's my bracket.

One of the top ten has Boston winning the cup hanging on by a thread.

So the cup picks amongst the tide for first and second. We got Dallas, Dallas, Dallas Rangers, Bruins Oilers, Dallas.

Boilers holding on by a thread, too.

My. My bracket was melted that first round.

Holy. 2004. How many people are in our bracket?

So I'm sit. Where are you sitting, Adam? What number?

I'm pulling it up. Hang on. I were you.

I have no idea.

I'm 94. Of 194, I get 78% correct.

No. What is your rank in the league? Oh.

Oh, that.

It's just. If you just go the league, you'll see on the side it says rank. I'm 24. 24. I hope you did not listen to my picks. This playoffs, besides my cup pick, which is still alive, the New York range.

Yeah. You can still get better.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. You can improve us.

I am 465 of two.

Oh, that's not bad.

Yeah, yeah, but I.

The thing with my beliefs, though, so.

Yeah. No, I'm toast.

You're gonna go down the standings as the playoffs go along. You're gonna fall.

Yeah, but I had even.

I are gonna rise.

Good first two rounds and I'm okay with that. I have to pick the leafs. That's my job.

No, it's not.

My job is to make the leaves. It's not to win.

That is not.

It's not your job, dolls. It's not your job.

All right. All right.

Steve, where it did you?

I don't know. How do you find it?

You got it.

That's just not. That's just. They will be here.

All good. NHL bracket challenge.

Okay, Google, do we want to do a. Geez.

All right, if you don't want.

No, I want to talk. Well, actually.

Hold up.

Florida. Boston. Just want to say it's the other series that could end tonight.

Adam doesn't care about I need a pick.

I need a pick. And by the way, I respect the hell out of Brad Marchand saying, yeah, I didn't like it, but I've done it to a bunch of guys about Sam Bennett. I respect that.

I.

At least he owned it.

All that is. Is I'm not gonna complain about Sam Bennett. So I still have license to hurt people, right? Yeah, well, it's the playoffs, you know. You're trying to hurt other guy. Yeah. How? Brad, you're not allowed to punch guys in the head. No, I give him no credit.

You give him no credit.

No.

Wow.

All right, all right.

I give him no credit. Nor do I give any to Sam Bennett. I hope this series goes seven. Those two teams deserve each other.

Okay, so you don't think it ends tonight?

I hope not.

Okay. All right, all right.

Not nothing against Florida. It's just hate you both and kill each other longer.

Let's do the press conference.

The presser SDP, the dangle press conference.

We finally get just destroying everything over there.

Absolutely.

Or you go through this. All right, first part of the press conference, somebody on discord. Let me pull up their name so I can shout them out correctly. Actually, it's not even them who. Who pointed this out, but an union 92 alter Bridge fan.

Like, annunciation?

I don't know.

Probably Annun.

What is. What is Annun?

Eustace. Annun.

Yeah. Eustace.

No, no.

Oh, it's not him.

No.

No. I thought it was an abs fan. Okay.

Yeah, no, not Euston.

Never mind. Nashville fan. What am I saying?

They wrote, by the way, yesterday's episode was not the first time they, as in us, talked about the Mark Messier leadership award.

Oh, okay.

Someone in the comments. So somebody on the YouTube comments yesterday or Wednesday show said that they first talked about it in 2019 and basically had the same reactions on how the process is done.

Oh, my God. Really?

So this discord user pulled up our video.

Who the hell used to shoot our podcast, Spider man?

So the. For the. If you're watching on YouTube right now and you're looking at one of our old episodes, the space wasn't big enough at first to shoot all three of us.

Right?

Like, I couldn't put the camera where, like, see where the other mic is, and we wouldn't be able to get all of us. So I had to go up top and kind of shoot down. And eventually we. I kind of figured it out, and we got. I got it, like, on a table, and we had a good angle where you could see all three of us. But if I shot it head on at first, I just didn't figure it out until how we get. So that's why we're kind of eye in the sky.

Whoa.

Shot eye in the pie, which I prefer. Thank you for distracting try and do this. Can we get to this?

Yes.

Okay. In 2019, we've been around for so long that I'm excited that these things, they're starting to happen. There's a lot of new listeners, but there's a lot of old listeners. And I'm sure that we're going to start repeating conversations hundreds of times.

Yeah.

That the show has been around for over eleven years. So in 2019, we had this exact same conversation about the Mark Messier leadership.

Award winning cup six times award that.

Recognizes an individual as a superior leader within their sport and a. And a contributing member of society. It can't just be a great leader. Has to be a contributing member of society, too. I don't know.

So you got to do like volunteers work.

I don't really know there's any proof of that. I think it's more the first than the second, to be honest with you, because I. The award is given by a player selected by hall of Fame center Mark Messier.

Oh, it's his award. He selects it.

Wait, sorry, I didn't know this.

Wow. Wait, we're breaking news here.

Where are you reading Wikipedia.

Okay.

The award.

That would be really funny if it was fake.

The award is given to a player. Can we. Can we check this?

I'll look up on NHL.com.

I'm gonna read.

That's a great fake. If it's fake, the award is given.

To a player of. By Hockey hall of Fame center Mark Messi. Given to a player doesn't mean selected. The award is given to a player selected by Hockey hall of Fame center Mark Messier. Yes, it does. To honor an individual who leads by a positive example through on ice performance, motivation of team members, and a dedication to community activities and charitable causes.

Is there like a reference you can click on there?

There is not.

You're so shocked you might believe it.

Her owner of the.

Here you go. From NHL.com. So the Mark Messi award. The Mark Messi. What I'm reading right now is the exact page I read. That is the page I read on Wednesday. Here I am in 2019 reading it to you guys then.

What a bunch of idiots.

I don't know, man. That's probably 500 shows ago.

Yeah.

There's no way we'd remember that.

Yeah, but it's funny. That's hilarious.

Where's the MHL MLH segment?

So here's me reading the page there. Ship award has been around since 0607. It is given to the player who exemplifies great leadership qualities to his team on and off the ice during the regular season. Suggestions for nominees are solicited from fans, clubs and NHL personnel, but the selection of the three finalists and the ultimate winner is made by Messier, a member of the Hockey hall of Fame and one of the finest leaders in NHL history. The six time Stanley cup champion. Champion is one of three players to have been given captain of three teams and is the only player in NHL history to be captain of two teams that won the Stanley cup. No player has won the award more than once.

Okay.

Cheering for this league is so.

That is really bizarre.

That's crazy.

It's nothing but pain.

They gave us guy in award and said, hey, just go pick a guy. I said that Wednesday.

Yeah.

Graduate. You're incredible for a.

Okay, so here's. Here's what I got.

Yeah. Well, they won one without.

Yeah. Whoever. Whoever wrote this on the YouTube comments, like, shout out, you like, we don't even remember that.

Well, I love the NHL. And saying he was the captain of three teams.

Yeah.

Can I. Fans are like, no, he wasn't.

Including the Oilers and Rangers.

So we don't need to keep going. But in this clip, Adam, you list all of the winners. Oh, and Steve, in this clip, no. Adam reads Wayne Simmons. And you have the same reaction that you had on Wednesday. I don't know if you want to keep going. We could play it. But the same reaction you had on Wednesday to like Wayne Simmons, it's almost a verbatim.

That's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing.

Cause he's not a captain.

He wasn't a captain.

So really good stuff. Shout out. Shout out all you guys who have been listening for a long time and remember more about the show than we do, clearly go pizza. Like, you guys are. You guys are awesome.

Yeah. We charging them for that? Like, for the ad show. We should know.

No, no, no.

Yeah.

Crazy, huh?

I would. I would love to.

So we can end it on. We can end it on that. Okay.

Yeah.

Well, no, we.

Oh, I mean, one more note.

Yeah. We should at least offer our condolences to the friends and family of Darren detischin. I mean, he's one of the voices of our childhoods. If you're of a certain vintage. Just an incredibly positive guy that you ever heard anyone have a bad thing to say about Darren? Detision?

No, never.

Never in your life. We should all live a life that we could look back on with the kind of contentment that I hope the people around him do. Like, just a really good guy, a really big impact on a lot of people's lives. And he'll be missed.

Absolutely. What we do in the grand scheme of things, like media people and sports and all that stuff, it doesn't matter. Like, in the grand scheme of the world, it doesn't matter. But there are certain personalities that live with you day in and day out. And Darren showing up on SportsCenter every morning or every evening or whatever shift he was on and watching that, that makes these jobs kind of matter, because they come up, they become about your life. You know, they're. They're a member of your family and your everyday. And Darren entered that portion of fandom for a lot of people who grew up in the Toronto area, who just watched them on tv every day.

Oh, Kennedy, Canada area.

Yeah, Canada. Across the country.

Saskatchewan.

Man rose for anybody who grew up in the GTA. They grew up a fan of SportsCenter. And watching that, he was a part of their life, and it's sad to see him go.

So he was. He was ridiculously jacked. He. There's a funny segment you can probably still find online. I think it was James Duffy was supposed to do the draft combine exercises, and for whatever reason, he wasn't available to do them. So they had Darren detition do it, and he obviously friggin rocked it because he's shaped like Brock Lesnar. But I had a friend in university who got a job at TSN, and he was into fitness and working out and everything. And one day he saw Darren, like, walking towards the fridge, and he's like, I just. I gotta follow him. I gotta see what Darren detitition.

What does he eat?

Yeah, I gotta see what he eats. And so he's telling me that, and I go, all right. Like, what was it? And he was so angry. He goes, it was a bowl of fruit. He was just so pissed. He's like, I know that's not why you're jacked, Aaron.

It was.

It just. It made me laugh.

We used to do, early on in the, in the podcast, we. And I told this on the stream last night, we used to do. Steve used to do these impressions. Obviously, Bob Cole was one of them. Don Cherry was another vasatoskala, Mike Babcock. You know, there's a few of them that Steve really nailed. And you do a good Jon Tavares as well. But one of the ones he used to do really well was Darren detention.

Yep.

And because Darren detection's big thing was bang, leafs go up, three, two, or bang, that's a home run.

Bang.

Yeah.

Four one game.

Yeah.

Right.

And so when bar down was because we predate bar down, I'm pretty sure, or it was just a blog. Like it was. It was like it was right around the same time. So in our first season and our second season, Steve would do the detention thing every once in a while and bar down actually took it in an interview with Darren detition and played it for him and he. And talked about how you had said that you worked at NHL Network, which used to be in the TSN headquarters, and how you were too afraid to say hi to him. And I remember this, and Darren's like, well, I wish he had said hi. And then he's like. He's like, I love that impression. Hi, Steve. And that was. So that's our tiny little Darren detition story. But I think in a microcosm for us anyway, it goes to show the kind of character he was. And there are. There are few people in this world that you meet when people are talking behind their back. They're complimenting them. And Aaron petition seemed to be one.

Of those guys that's a dude who always brought it.

Yeah.

Every time he was on tv, you knew you were getting the good stuff and he always brought it. And it was fabulous to watch.

Yeah. Never had a bad day, no matter what.

Sport three run jack.

Anyway, thank you for that.

We have a programming note. Adam.

What's that for?

The show.

The show. Oh, yeah. Long weekend, right?

Yes.

Wrong. Long weekend.

Yeah.

No, Steve. I thought Steve was. Was flying to in his new helicopter over the Middle east to collect the rest of his check. But in actuality, what's happening is it's Monday's a long weekend, so we will be doing our streams over the course of the weekend. But of course, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, next week will be the STP.

Also, I'm going to be streaming the Eastern Conference final. It's not a thing yet.

Okay. So you're kicking me off the Rangers. Wow. Wow.

Yeah.

Well.

Of a sudden, no discussion.

Wow.

You want to. You want to chat?

I don't think. I don't think it was a conversation.

Right.

Yeah, no, just. I'll just go with my other blue shirts bros, and we'll hang out in the Rangers Reddit.

Wow.

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