Hey, Harpen.

Welcome to one. How are you doing? I'm so happy to see you.

Yeah, happy to see you too. So welcome, everybody. Welcome to the Basu and Godet Notebook. A bit of a later edition compared to usually... Well, sometimes we record all times of the day, depending on the news and our respective availability, and we try to do as best as we can. As long as we have our episode recorded on Monday and the other one on Friday, mission accomplished. But it's not always easy.

No. This week's episode is basically going to be about Marc-Antoine's Weekend. We're not going to delve into all sorts of what we are going to talk about the Canadians, obviously. But Marc-Antoine's Weekend, I think, is a nice little window into the profession. Basically, we're going to go in reverse order, but a quick summary of Marc-Antoine's Weekend. On Friday, he was in Berlin in Vermont to go watch Lane Hudson play with Boston University against the University of Vermont. Continued on Saturday to Boston, where the Canadians got just curbstomped.

Okay, keep going.

Yeah, I'll hit you off that. Canadians got curbstomped by the And then as he's in Boston, the Islander is out of nowhere, hire Patrick Lois to be their head coach. And so he hauls ass down to Elmont, New York, on the outskirts of Queens, to catch Patrick Lois' debut as the coach of the Islanders. And now today, drove back from New York in order to get back and literally just walked in the door as we're recording this podcast. So I think in this episode, we're going to touch on all three of those things in reverse chronological order. But just generally speaking, how was your weekend?

That was fun. I had a great weekend. It's fun to be, as Marty says, in the trenches, in the thick of things where things are happening. I think that sometimes for a guy who's covering the Canadians, it's nice to write a non-Canadians-related story. It's a breath of fresh air. I had two breaths of fresh air because Hudson... I know Lane, and I've talked to him before, and I've seen him before, I wrote about him before, but it's not the day-to-day stuff that you'd get in Brussard, so it's a nice little change. But it's just the volume, the distances, the lack of sleep. At Rézou Canada, also, the thing is I don't just write.

So I'll do radio. You got radio, yeah.

I can have the occasional TV hit. It could be endless. Did you have a camera with you this weekend?

No. You did TV on the phone?

I did. Actually, I did TV on FaceTime.

On FaceTime, yeah, exactly.

If I had brought all my gear, it would have been easy because maybe we could have done this part earlier in the day, but you were at Canadian's practice today.

I was at Canadian's practice today, yes. And you didn't know that you would be going to New York on Sunday when you left. So it's only natural that you didn't have your podcasting gear. So again, as we mentioned, we want to go at this in reverse order. And I think the hiring of Patrick Ouah is not without interest to our listeners and Canadian fans in general. He's going to be in Montreal on Thursday Today, which is perfect. Amazing timing. Amazing timing. I think there were several of our colleagues who did the same thing as you, right? Went from Boston to New York at the last second to cover this. Paint the scene a little bit. It's been a while since we've seen Patrick in this theater. He seems like a bit of a humbled version of his former self that it took so long for him to come back. But what was the vibe in that room after that morning skate? How many of there were you? I saw someone point out that he took questions for nine minutes in English and seven minutes in French, and they found that unusual. I was like, Well, what planet do you come from?

How do you find that unusual? But what was it like being in the room for Patrick Koua's first in-person availability as an NHL coach in first time in seven years?

Well, okay, let's talk about him first. Patrick Koua, because he's more interesting than the But Patrick Roy himself seems so happy and delighted to come back in the environment that he loves, an environment where he's thrived before. Let's say it, the environment where he belongs to. It was a seven-year itch for him, a long, long wait to get back into this position. So it's a purgatory, in a sense, to be put in doubt by pretty much the whole hockey community after leaving the Colorado Avalanche in abrupt fashion a month before the season.

Leaving them high and dry. High and dry, really. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And I think he recognizes that now.

Yeah. And I think when you mention Humble, that's part of it. I think that he regrets some of the things that he did back then. And The way that he left is certainly on top of the list because I don't think that it's necessarily the coaching, how he managed the Colorado Avalanche, even though he was a rookie at the NHL level, and he probably made rookie mistakes in that situation. But I don't think it's the coaching as much as how it ended that really created a stigma and made it so that in the eyes of so many teams, he must not have been considered all that trustable. Hence, that purgatory that I feel like he had stopped waiting for a phone call, but he had been waiting for that phone call for a long time. So he's happy to be there. Very exciting, very excited, very energetic. For the morning skate, man, he was screaming, waving his stick all around, giving indications, talking to the French players on the ice in French. Like telling Samuel Bolzic, No, no, ça, c'est pas ta job. It's not your job to do that. He was calling Jean-Gabriel Pajot Jean-Gabriel.

Pajot told us after the game, he says, I think that some of my teammates don't even know that my full name is Jean-Gabriel. Anyway, so super intense. The guys were like, Okay, what's going on here this morning? Because Lane Lambert was completely the opposite. He was a guy that was very subdu, very calm. But you You can tell that the players needed a spark because it was a room that needed to be lit. The fire had gone in stink pretty much. Their season was going down the drain or heading in a bad direction. Patrick is just a character. He's good for the game. It's good to have him there. I'm disappointed he didn't pick fight with Pete DeBore.

That's what I was looking for. You have to be consistent. Your first game back after seven years, do the same thing as your first game back then. And go after the divider, pick a fight with DeBore, start yelling at him. I was disappointed in the lack of that.

It's actually he has to show that he's changed, right? And that he's evolved, you'll have to show that. You'll have to show that, strategically speaking. You'll have to show that also in terms of controlling his emotions. But at the same time, he cannot completely change who he is. He walked behind the bench for so much last night, going to yell at one guy, go give instructions to another, and going this, left, right, left, right, all the time. And Bo Horvatt, after the game, said somebody give him a fitbit. I'm curious to see what's it.A.

Counted steps.

Yeah, I'm curious to know his step count. So it was a bit too much, and he was completely red in the face. But I was told by the junior guys that were covering the Ramparts who made the trip to New York that that's his big night face. But it's not too uncommon.

But he's not like that every game.

No. But he gets carried away by emotion in intense moments that it'll look as though he's ready to have a heart attack behind the bench.

Yeah. But I agree with you. That is good for the game to have back. He is a character. Obviously, in this province, among this fan base, he's always been linked. Anytime any job comes up, whether it's the GM job that Ken Hughes eventually got, whether it's a coaching job, although his name, Marte St. Louis came so suddenly and out of nowhere, there wasn't much of a build-up of, Oh, Patrick Lois should be coaching the Canadians. It was more for the GM position that after Jeff Corton got hired, there was that month where obviously Patrick Lois on everyone's lips, and he was a big candidate to fill that GM role. But he's always been linked to the Canadians, and so I think it's going to be interesting to me what the scene is going to be like on Thursday morning when they're at the Bell Center. I don't know. Maybe he's been there in passing, but I don't know if Patrick has been at a game since the night his Jersey got retired. Is that possible? Might this be his first game?

No, he's been there. He's been there.

For games? Yeah. Okay. Well, anyhow.

I'm pretty sure.

We'll ask him. Well, yeah. We'll find out.

But from a Montreal-Canadiens' perspective, too, I think that it's... Of course, Marty is still a recent hire. And I know that, obviously, our listeners and people who watch this podcast on YouTube, most of them are English-speaking, so they have their own opinion on the prerequisite of having a French-speaking coach. But that's the reality. And any time that you have a French-speaking coach who gets a job in the NHL, it's one more candidate that you can throw his name in the hat. Previously, Patrick Croix, for all sorts of reasons, especially mentioning because of the way it ended in Colorado, I don't think that he was seriously considered by Montreal at any point. No, I don't think so. But if things go well in this second time around, and he has a personal redemption story, proofs that he's a winner and it has a positive impact also in his coaching and that he's good at what he does. A few years down the road, well, that would be one more guy to add to the Montgomery, to the Tourigny, to Pascal Vincent. That's good to have choices, to have at least a few options.

I will point out that when I was in Zurich, Mark Crawford made a point of mentioning that he speaks French. He knew where I comes from. He even spoke a little bit of French in my presence. I was like, That's nice, Mark. I even said it. I was like, That's good PR for you to speak French in front of me, the Canadian's reporter who happens to be in Zurich. Anyhow.

That's so subtle.

So subtle. So subtle. He even broke it out. His wife is francophone. He gave me the whole spiel. I'm like, Yes, I'm aware. I know. Okay.

It's going to be really an exciting day on Thursday to have him coach the Islanders. I'm sure that his bench, his whole team, will be all fired up against Montreal. And that makes the upcoming week that more complicated because now the Canadians have lost badly against Ottawa. They lost badly against Boston. They're playing Ottawa again, and that rematch, they better be ready for it. If they were to falter and really not play up to their standards for the third game in the row, and then the game after that, they have to face Patrick ROI, that would be a very interesting segment of the season.

Yeah, but I just want to go back to what you said about Patrick ROI eventually adding his name to the list of qualified candidates to coach the Canadians. I think it is telling that he was hired by Lula Amorela. I don't know if this management group... Patrick ROI can change all he wants. He remains an old-school coach. I feel like he's going to come in and really be, I guess, more- In your face. He's going to be in your face. In your face. More motivational than tactical, let's say. He doesn't scream modern coach to me. You look at the guys running the Canadians now, obviously, with Ken Hughes and Jeff Gordon, the guy they picked in Martin Saint-Louis, a definite modern bet to them. So yes, Patrick was technically someone who would be qualified to coach the Canadians, but I just get the I guess that someone like a Pascal Vincent or even an André Tourigny, who is also somewhat old school, but I think has some modern elements to how he approaches the job, would be probably more appealing, Jim Montgomery being the most appealing, I guess, of the group. But for this management group.

I think it took someone like Lou Lamorello to make the plunge with this guy, because if anyone can appreciate being old school, it's Lou Lamorello.

Yeah, that's true. But Lou is as hard a GM as they come in the league. I think that to have that boss above him The hierarchy is very well established. It's indiscutable, and I think they'll be good for ROI. There's also an element of Lamariello wanting his islanders to turn things around very quickly. I don't know I don't know how long he's been hired for, but there's clearly a short-term element to it. There needs to be a spark right away because not only is this team, at least on paper, not very good, but also Lamariello Rael is 81 years old, and he's not necessarily preparing a long-term transition. It's really in the era now because it's a team that has a lot of older elements to it. So it's got to pay now because you're not doing this for two years from now.

So what was your sense, and then we'll move on to the Boston portion of your weekend, but what was your sense of... Because you're right, this team I just have an older bent to it. There's a lot of guys locked into long term deals. This team is not changing anytime soon other than bringing in someone like Patrick Loa as coach. But I think the impression is that older players won't take to him as well as maybe young impressionable players might. That he is a guy who uses certain, let's say, tactics to get through to players that maybe don't go through the older guy. Just talking to some of the players, what was the vibe that you got from them as far as his arrival is concerned and just how he is as a guy, the fiery guy who was walking up and down the bench and screaming at people for the first time for the first game right off the bat?

Well, the guy is so intense that I'm not sure that younger players have dealt with a coach that's like that, whereas the veterans You might have come across a guy like that. I was mentioning Pajot earlier, Andrew Slee, or Matt Martin, older players. They've had a few coaches in their career. But if you're a guy that's just up and coming and he's either your second or third coach or you're under 23 or whatever, it's a style that you're not used to. The older players might be experienced enough to get their finger on the pulse and understand that their room need that right now because they have enough experience to understand what's at stake here. The veterans, the leaders in this team, they were the happiest about it. Barzal, Barzal Lee, Horvat, those guys, they say, Yeah, that's exactly the type of energy that we need right now. I I understand your question because usually there's a disconnect. The guys that are set in their ways might not want to accept that, and the younger players are more impressionable. But the younger generation, they arrive being already so confident in themselves that I don't know how you can really create such a vivid impression on them that they're going to take a step back.

They're confident, they get there, and in some cases, Because they're entitled. I don't want to generalize, but some are. It takes a lot for them to be destabilized. But as a group, I could tell that, especially in the morning, after the morning skate, more than after the game, because after the game, they had one and they were just relieved. But after the morning skate, it's, Oh, okay, that's really something else.

Yeah. Let's move on to to to Boston, stage two of your weekend. Obviously, the Canadian is losing nine for a second time in two trips to Boston. Actually, they've... My previous time was November 18.

I was there. Did you cover that game?

I did not. No, but that was the game that really changed the Canadian season. Interesting to just fast forward to practice on Monday. I think coming out of that game in Boston on November 18th, which wasn't nearly as drastic a loss, it was 5-2. But in terms of the way the game went, I feel like that game was worse than Saturday night's game. Saturday Night's game was a 5-4 game after two periods. It's not as if the Canadians got completely blown out of the water the whole game. They were in the game. That 5-2 game in Boston, you never got the sense they were in the game at all. They barely touched the buck in that game. I think there was a different sense of urgency for Martin Saint-Louis coming off that game than there was on Monday. He seemed quite serene. Recognizing that they've given up 15 goals in their last two games, not looked good in either of them, but that it's not an emergency situation. It clearly did not have the same buzz of urgency as the previous game in Boston did, or at least the aftermath of the previous game in Boston did.

But that night, I noticed that Sam Montembeau came out to talk, which is rare for a goalie who gets pulled and who gives up eight goals. When Brandon Gallagher comes out and takes full ownership of the the mistake that led to the Pasternack goal to open the third period. What was the vibe in the room, aside from what we saw on camera, I guess? But what struck you from the reaction to that came from these guys?

Two things. First, accountability. You mentioned Gallagher coming out, Montemble coming out. That's always a good sign when you got guys that own up to what they did. I don't even know if a member of the media asked to speak to Gallagher, and Gallagher just decided that he was going to be there.

That's what I was wondering.

My colleagues had asked Actually, I was one of them. We had asked for Sean Monahan.

Monahan was not there, probably getting treatment.

Gallagher was there. I think that's interesting. He's often there after games in Boston. He takes this rivalry to heart. Accountability was the first thing, but also, to me, my takeaway from that was not near Yes, there was a ton of execution mistakes and letdowns, breakdowns defensively, rush coverage mistakes and whatnot. But it's the emotional and the mental breakdown in the third period, to me, that was different, that we have not necessarily seen all that much. They gave up. They gave up. That's exactly the words that Montembeau used in French. He said, We gave up.

Yeah, I lost it.

Yeah, on a abandoné.

On abandoning, yeah, that's it.

Matheson said, We were demoralized. He said, Even though it wasn't perfect in the first two periods, we had answers. But in the third, we seemed demoralized and we didn't don't have any answers anymore. And through all that, you got the captain who always seems to calm things down, put everything on an even scale so that, Yeah, your teammates said I guess your teammate said that. Yeah, but no. He likes to make sure that everything doesn't blow out of proportion. But you could see it on the eyes. That whole third period, it was like they turned from solid to liquid.

I don't think the captain like that, Montabu, said he felt like the team gave up. I don't think nick Suzuki like that. It didn't seem to be a sentiment he shared with his goalie.

No, it wasn't. He had a different evaluation. But I don't know what's going to be the impact of that. You brought up the first game in November when they were nowhere to be seen. They lost all of their battles. They were terrible. It triggered a portion of Martin St. Louis' coaching in the season where they had a huge focus on Forchek. This time around, you said that at practice today, they didn't have that one aspect that they're really focused on. I think that it's because the main aspect is psychological. And we cannot tell until maybe the outcome of the next couple of games if it's going to something that carries on or if it's just a one-off. Sometimes a team lets down. If they come back and next game, they're in the game, they're fighting and whatnot, well, then it's inconsequential. But if it's the start of something where in terms of the morale of the group, it's been affected, then it's a different story. But the Canadians have lost their last seven games of the garden. It's been a few occasions where in one way or another, they They got thrown out of the game at some point during those 60 minutes and ended up demoralized in one aspect or the other.

It doesn't do them any good these days to go to the garden. As a side note, I don't know if it was shown on TV, but the Bruins, they're celebrating their centennial.

Oh, yeah. They showed that on TV.

Absolutely. On Ottering that 1988 edition that finally broke the jinks.

Broke the jinks. Yeah.

Of 45 years of losing in the playoffs against Montreal. It's only against Montreal on that night that they could have done that because Doing that ceremony against any other opponent would not have made any sense. But in front of those fans, back in '88, it meant something to them because it was like, We try against the Canadian, never works, never works. It's the epitome of the Cam Neely era, of a healthy Cam Neely era.

Cam Neely single-handedly broke the jinks, I think, pretty much. He willed that team to break that jinks and was phenomenal every time he faced the Canadians in the playoffs. Ray Bork was great all the time, obviously, but- All the time. The difference between regular season Kamnili and playoff Kamnili and playoff against the Canadians Kamnili is just three different levels, where the height of that level is Kamnili against the Canadians in the playoffs. And I thought, as far as pre-game ceremonies go, I got to admit, I thought that was hilarious. I thought it was fantastic. They showed this whole video, Bruit celebrating, beating the Canadians. And then at one point, the Hockey Day in Canada cameras cut to the Canadian bench. They're like, Oh, yeah, really? Really? This is what's going on right now. You can see. I think it's fine. No team in the NHL can complain less about pregame ceremonies and their content than the Canadians. They have no right to say anything about anyone else celebrating their own history. You just have to sit there, shut up, and take it because For the number of teams that have had to go through elongated, ridiculously serious ceremonies prior to Canadian Games, they had to just sit there and take their medicine.

I thought it was quite funny. I really thought it was hilarious. There is.

Well, even if you'd argue that all the ceremonies presented by the Canadians were relevant and of the proper length, you could add up all the Molson Cups presentations one after the other. That's a much longer ceremony than what the Bruins did.

I spent roughly two days of my life watching Molson Cup presentation ceremonies that I'll never get back.

No.

Once a month for five minutes. I don't I want to do the math, but yeah, it's a lot.

But I went to Gallagher after the game and I said, I mean, you're a veteran on this team. You know the Canadian's history, their rivalry. Did you take it as part of your motivation in getting into this game, the fact that it had a bit of a taunting effect to it? He said, Honestly, I was not even aware of that jinks. I learned it while I was on the ice.

No.

It goes to show at some point, the passing of time, it must mean something for all old schmucks like us.

Yes, exactly.

Not so much for these guys.

I was 12 when they broke that chings. I remember that series quite well, quite distinctly. It was very, very disappointing as a kid. Listen, just before we We're going to move on to the Lane Hudson portion of your weekend. I love that we're doing an entire episode just on your weekend. But let's address a little bit of Canadian news that happened on Monday. Justin Baron was sent down to the Laval Rocket. The Canadians called up Arbor Jackai from the Laval Rocket, which I think was always part of the plan.

We discussed it last week.

We did, exactly. It's not a surprise necessarily, but I I think, Baren should be able to look at this and say, Well, they sent Jackai down, and he's come back up after making improvements to his game. So I don't need to take this as anything more than that. I think it's a good precedent for them to send because sending Jacky down was not easy, and it was definitely not easy on Arbor. We both spoke to him about it and how he psychologically had to process that and how it was difficult for him. But came out the other side, has been playing great hockey, was a great teammate, LaVal. So now it's going to be on Justin Baron to go down there and do the same thing and be a good teammate. But I'm very curious to see because last episode, we talked about Caden Gouly to the right side, which frees up some room on the left side. Well, now you lose Justin Baron and you are not a lefty. So now it's, again- It's going to be Harris on the right side.

You're going to have two lefties on the right side if the other Unless Kovalev Sevitch comes in. That's it. And then you call up Jacky to be seventh defenseman?

I don't think so. I don't know. I don't know. So we're going to find-They could play 7D because they also sent They put Stephens on waiver.

If he clears, I mean, either they play 11-7 or they magically find a centerman or Pearson is ready to come back, that's the other thing, too.

Yeah, but he's not a centerman. The fact remains that without Stevens, they got three centermen on the roster. So it would lend itself to playing 11-7. You're right. I think that's not It's not a bad point. But yeah, I'm extremely curious to see... Because the ironic thing here is that I asked nick, the same thing I talked to you about with the Boston game, I asked nick Suzuki, I practice on Monday. The same question, the last time you came out of that game in Boston, you had that singular focus on the forecheck. What do you think merits your singular focus now coming off not only the game in Boston, but the game in Ottawa as well? And he chose D-Zone coverage. He said, I think what we're doing on the D-Zone, we don't play D-Zone like every other team. I personally think the way we play it is more effective, but it does lend itself to guys not being on the same page and guys just not doing the same thing or thinking the same way. So we need to tighten that up. When we do it well, I think it's better than a typical man-to-man or a typical zone, this hybrid that Canadians play, but it does lend itself to miscommunication or just wires getting crossed.

So as nick Suzuki identifies that, what was the primary thing Arbort Jackite was sent to Laval to work on was his D zone coverage. It was literally this thing. So We'll see what improvements he's made in that regard and whether he's... But considering where the team is at in terms of that specific aspect of the game, it's just, I guess, a bit of a storyline or something to follow once, because I can't imagine they called up Jack to not play. Exactly. Why would they do that? So let's see how he does. But I think his experience in Laval is a good lesson to a lot of the young players that are going to be coming through the Canadian system that are already here now. Joshua Roy is living it right now. We talked about it last episode, how I felt he should get back down ASAP. He's going to play on Tuesday. Didn't look like he was verging on being sent back down. He was practicing on a line with Yul Alarmia and Raphael Harvie-Penard on Monday. But Harvie-Penard was basically a placeholder for Monaghan, who was getting treatment, which is Something else that's worth noting how often he's getting treatment these days and with the trade deadline six weeks away.

Something to keep an eye on.

It's funny. I was thinking the same thing during my long drive back from New York. I had plenty of time to him all over things. Yeah, that's true. We've seen... I mean, Monahan, it's ironic because he's missing a lot of days of practice for treatment. But when he plays right now, I mean, that line, again, Against Boston in the first period, they knocked at the door. Halfway in the first period, a beautiful passing exchange from Armeya to Roya to Monaghan. Monaghan really had an amazing opportunity. Things are clicking between those three guys. And Roya, as much as I expect him to be sent down at some point, you must recognize the fact-He's making it hard.

He's making it hard because he's not just surviving.

It's always that same thing. If you survive, we're going to be able to tell and you're going to be back in the AHL in no time. But he's not surviving. He's right in there. Look, that guy was drafted in the fifth round because of ethic issues. But in terms of talent, he's a top two rounds type of guy. He's a top 60 tile in the first-The first overall pick in the QMJHL.

I mean, it's first overall pick. It's not like he didn't completely forget everything that made him a first overall pick in the queue.

That's right. So if he's 20 years old and he gets to play his first few games in the NHL at 20, and he's a top two rounds type of talent at the NHL level, that's not outrageous. It's not out the ordinary. If he shows that he belongs while he continues to get better while playing with better players, the day that will catch up to him, they'll send him down. But for the time being, I remember in our previous conversation, you said that the Rocket was making a push to make the playoffs. I agree with that. But now they get some help. If Stephens is not claimed on waivers, he'll help the Rocket. For them, to have ROI or to have Stephens, it's almost equally It's useful. At the NHL level, their impact is not the same, but for the Rocket, it's pretty much on par.

No. Mitch Stevens is a top center for them, for sure, and was a big loss when he left. But losing Jacky is a big deal. I mean, he's been playing excellent hockey. Him, the pairing with Maiou. Maiou has been thriving ever since Jack has been there. So I mean, that's really the impact of Monday's moves on the Rocket, in my eyes, is not only do you lose Jacky, but you lose the guy that was helping Maiou really figure something out and really find something. So it's going to be interesting to see how if he's able to keep that going without Jacky next to him. But they have a big week coming up. I mean, they've They've moved up the standings significantly, sweeping the Belleville senators over the weekend, put them into a tie with them, I think, in fourth in their division. But they have Utica, who's in the bottom. But then they have Syracuse and Rochester, two teams they're chasing. On the road this weekend. And so it's a big weekend for them. So let's see, that game is in Syracuse on Friday. So if Joshua Roy plays the game on Thursday, I don't see how he could play that game on Friday.

I don't see how it just... It would be basically committing to him staying for the weekend. But there's a lot of season left in the HL. It's not as if it's a critical time for them, but But credit to Joshua Juan. I thought he was really good on Saturday. Despite the circumstances, I thought he played a really good game. He's making it tough to take him out of the lineup, let alone send him down.

Yeah. It's still January. I don't think that the Rocket playoff, as much as the organization wants to see them in the playoff, is not the priority. Right now, Juan's line is clearly the second most effective on the Canadian His team. And on some nights, they're the most effective line. He's part of that, and he's not outmatched. So let's see how long he can carry that. Because you got guys that have been there for much longer than him who are less impactful. Yesu Alonen has been scratched lately. That guy frustrates me, man. He He's got so much... You can tell that I'm a bit delirious today, right? Yeah, a little bit.

That guy frustrates me, man.

But yeah-It's because he's got so many tools. He's tall, he's fast, he's got amazing hands. He's got a lot going for him, but he's not the sum of all of his parts because he should be a much better forechecker than he is. He should be on top of the opponents a lot more than he is. He should be driving inside, play inside the dots a lot more, should use his shots more. He should be able to take his time to not get rid of the fuck so quickly and take the time to read around him and choose what's the best play. There are many things in terms of... And also, Marty mentioned the fact that is off the puck game where it's trying to take away the park or helping the Ds or whatnot, it It's been subpar. So you put all that together and you say, Well, this is the guy that you see flashes in games. Three or four moments. Okay, that's why they drafted him. That's why he could be an NHL player. But over the long run, he's just not the sum of all his parts.

Yeah. I think the argument could be made that he hasn't gotten a lot of runway to play in a role that's more appropriate to a guy that has all the skill sets, the skill set that you just described. You could easily... The counter argument would be, Well, he hasn't earned that runway, which is fair. But yeah, if someone didn't hear who you were talking about right now, they would think you were describing Joel Armeya. It was basically everything you just said applies to Joel Armeya. I don't want a general... It's not a general finish thing. It just happens that these two finish guys on the team have this same trait to them. But having said that, we're getting good Yulharmia right now. A consistent stretch of good Yulharmia, and good Yulharmia is really good. Good on him for being able to put together a stretch of good game. Yes.

Yeah. Quick note on RME, a quick question for you. Because obviously, whenever you mention the fact that he's got a good game, fans on Twitter will say, Aha, it's raising his trade value. How long does he have to play like this in order to gain any trade value?

This season, he's not getting traded this season. There's no way. There's no chance. They're not trading him by the deadline. They might be able to trade him at the draft. If he plays this way from now until the end of the season, you could maybe trade him-It has to be until the end of the year. Yeah, you would have to be this from now on. And then maybe trade him at the draft, but more likely, trade him as a rental at next deadline. Because even at his number, even a solid, what, 35 games or so? Well, he's already played five, so let's say, 40, like half a season. No, he's played five good games. He's had a stretch of five good games already. From now to the end of the season, it would be like you played half the season really well, which would be pretty remarkable. And Obviously, kudos on him if he's able to do that for a guy who started the year in Laval, who started at the low of the low. People, I think, like to describe Armia as this guy who's aloof just because he doesn't express himself very well in the media.

He's camera shy. He's not really an outgoing type of personality, but he is an intensely competitive person and has a very high standard for himself. There's a lot of aspects of Yola Armia that don't come through when he speaks publicly Basically, you just have to ask his teammates about it, and they'll tell you right away. This is the guy who takes his job extremely seriously, and when he's not playing well, it eats at him, maybe too much. I mean, that's something he needs to work on. It's to his detriment how much he cares. But yeah, so if he's able to put together a half-season where he's playing like this consistently, which frankly, he has not done since playing for the Canadians. He's never put together 40 games like that look like the last five games we've seen from Real Army. So if he does that, it'll be somewhat unprecedented, but it would definitely make it easier to unload that contract. But even then at the draft, that's still a reasonably high price to pay for a guy who's essentially a fourth-liner on a good team, but really high-end penalty killer as well. But he's a role player.

Role players making more than $3 million are pretty rare in today's NHL. It's tough trade, but never seen.

Yeah, Good Aramia is better than a fourth-liner. That's the thing. You put him on the fourth-liner waiting for the good games from Aramia. But when he's good, Aramia, he's as good as anybody on the team.

Yeah, that's fair. But there's not a GM in the league who's going to acquire Joel Aramia thinking, I'm getting a good Aramia all the time. Even if he plays Good Aramia till the end of the season, everyone knows this guy's book. You're acquiring An immensely talented player with incredible hands, good physical tools, excellent in close quarters, really good at getting pucks back, lots of high qualities. Except you have to accept the fact that every now and then for three or four games, he's just going to float. But the one good thing about Joel Armey, I will say, the longest stretch of good Armey we've seen is the '21 playoff run, where he was Good Armey from the beginning of the playoff to the end, every night.

That earned him that contract.

That earned him that contract. Yeah. Eern is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, but it got him that contract, yes. But yeah, I think that's part of the reason why Bergerain felt compelled to give it to him is because the way he played in the playoff probably got a lot of GM's attention. I don't know if he needed to give him that specific contract, but I think there was going to be competition for his services based on how he performed in the playouts that year. In that sense, in terms of his trade value, there might be some GMs still out there who remember that and be like, Okay, well, when the stakes are highest, this guy shows up, I can use that on my team.

But we'll see.

It's not outside the realm of possibility. Let's finish with your weekend because Jacky coming up in the whole Log Jam on the left side, obviously, Lane Hudson is going to be a future part of that left side of the defense, maybe, probably, let's say. A lot of excitement over this guy. So I believe you were in Burlington on Friday evening. I know that I had- So were a lot of. Well, that's the thing. I had a buddy of mine two months ago asked me, Hey, do you want to go to B. U. 'S playing at UVM on the weekend of January 19th? You want to go? I was like, No, I don't want to go, man. It's like, That's work for me. It's just like, Yeah, it'll be fun, whatever. And anyhow, ultimately, he didn't go. But he was even on his radar two months ago or a month and a half ago. So what was the scene like in Burlington? Was it just an embarrassing amount of Canadian fans? Or what was it like? Because I know on Thursday, there was an embarrassing amount of Canadian fans in Ottawa, and I was astonished at how many, but that's normal.

How many Canadian fans were at the UVM game?

I would say probably... It's hard to tell because I'm not familiar with gaging with the size.

Give me a percentage of the crowd.

Oh, easily 10%.

Okay.

There are many, many dozens. Yeah, many does. I would say maybe 150 people, a lot of people speaking French. When you walk through the people, you're closer to them and you recognize, Oh, this one's got a toque with a Canadian's logo on it. Then, Oh, you got these other guys. There were five guys having their T-shirts with Hudson's face printed on it. One had it was written Life, the other one, In the Fast Lane. They had their little theme going on. So plenty of Montreal Canadian fans. So the guys in B. U. 'S locker room said, It's funny because we're playing a new way game for everybody except for Lane. Lane's playing a home game. So that's really what it looked like. And he gave a show, but especially on the power play. It got me thinking because clearly, he's a guy that can run a power play with the best of them. He's going to be really impactful in that department. But I'm curious to which extent he's going to be able to produce a lot of offense five on five. If he's able to recalibrate his production so that it's mostly five on five and the power play stuff is an interesting add-on because you don't want a guy that He can wow you with the number of points that he gathers, but if 60% of them, I don't have the exact percentage, I don't know, it's really...

I'm making it up. But as an example, if you got 60% of your points that are made on the power play, then it's not the same as 60% were made five on five. You have to have a guy who's able to contribute offensively five on five.

Well, I think, and you spoke to Jay Pydolf. I spoke to him a a while ago in December. And remember what nick Bobrow said when they drafted him? This is a big brain. We drafted a big brain. This is what? He's small body, big brain. And so you look at his ability to adapt. He's had to adapt his whole life because he's been small. And I think you wrote in your piece that he's up to 160 pounds, which to me is... I mean, he can play in the NHL at 160. It's It won't be easy, but he can do it. He's no longer at a weight that is inconceivable that you would play in the NHL. But because of that, he's had to adapt his whole life. I think changing levels to the NHL level, and you talk about the five on five, I just think he'll adapt. He knows what his skill sets are. He knows what his limitations are. He's always adapted based on those two data sets or those two markers that I can do this, and I know I can't do this. So how do I find a way in between to get what I need, to do what I need to do, to get done what I need to get done?

And so I believe I mean, just the power play impact alone will be... I'm curious, does B. U use the drop pass on the power play to enter the zone? They do. So he gives up the fuck. He skates it up and drops it to someone else to enter the zone? Yeah. Because he strikes me as a guy that you could bypass the whole drop pass thing, or he could actually receive the drop pass and enter the zone. Sure, he could do both. He could do both.

But there was one instance where he did Mike Matheson against New Jersey, where he faked the drop pass and decided to keep it and try to get in by himself.

Well, he would be a zone entry machine, I would think, at the NHL. No doubt.

That's the transition. The transition game is off the charts. That's the most exciting thing, I think, because he uses his edges so well, and he's got all this assortment of deeks and fakes that's just very spectacular to watch. We spoke to his coach, and he thinks that those skills are translatable. Cole Caulfield the other day said also, after watching him a lot in the World Juniors, that what his skillset can fit in in the NHL just as well. To me, offensively, what I'll find interesting once he graduates the NHL, well, how long will it take him? Because he'll adapt, I agree with you. How long will it take him to gage the risk management? Because he's a guy who likes to play with a certain amount of risk because he knows that where there's risk, there's benefit, and he wants to get major benefit. So it's But he's been learning to just identify the proper amount of risk. But that spectrum, that chart, is not divided the same way in the NHL than it is at the NCAA level, because there are things that he does now that he won't be able to do at the NHL level because he'll put himself at risk.

How long will it take him to adjust to that? That's going to be interesting. To me, it's going to be probably more impactful or more significant to his career than the fact that he doesn't have the proper weight. He's never had the proper weight, and he always had to figure other ways to distinguish himself and to be effective. He's managed so far. I don't see why he could not do it in the next level either.

And as far as the risk management goes, you couldn't ask for a better mentor in that regard than Mike Matheson. People might hear that and say, Well, he's not very good at risk management. He's not. It's not a strength in his game. But He also is pretty good at getting rewards out of that risk. But that balance, you don't want to take all the risk out of someone like Lane Hudson's game, but you do want to calibrate that risk-reward gage. It took Mike Madison five years to properly calibrate it once he made the NHL. Basically, his entire time in Florida, he struggled with that. I think from time to time now, you see him revert back to that and take an unnecessary risk or a risk that doesn't work out. Listen, we call them unnecessary risks when they don't work. I think there's a number of times when my son takes a risk and it works, you're like, Oh, wow, what a great play. But no one's like, Hey, that was really risky for no reason. You're like, Wow, you're making plays. So yes, on occasion, his risks don't work and they come off as mistakes.

But if there's one guy who would understand that challenge that you just described for Lane Hudson, there are very few guys, especially considering he's coming out of... Madison came out of the NCAA in Boston, not the same school, but still in the same environment.

He had those traits back then, too, at Boston College.

A hundred %. Matheson. A hundred %.

I spoke to Coach Brown over there when I was there. When I was there, he was asking about Matheson, how he was. And he said, Oh, yeah. He was mistake prone because of the amount of risk that he was taking, but it was just paying off so much. And with the Canadians, it pays off. I find, and just going back quickly to Barron, I think that the difference between Matheson and Barron is that they have the same amount of risk. It's just that the reward for Mathieson is so much greater right now.

Barron's young. Barron's got a lot to learn. But yeah, I think with Barron, it really is the D-zone stuff. He's losing guys in the defensive zone very often. It's a tough one for him. I think he's probably got a very similar mandate in Laval as Arb Jack had in terms of, go clean up your diesel. Okay, so we got a few minutes for some mailbag questions. There were a bunch of them. A lot of them actually geared towards the defense, but we'll close with that. We'll open with a question from John Wright, who's reacting to our podcast following the Kent Hughes Presser, which was a week ago Monday, and said, One of the topics was extracting value from a Jake Allen trade and likely how little value the haves could expect in return. It caught me thinking, A, Why not put Allen on wai instead of Primo, as Primo will get scooped up? And B, wouldn't it be better come trade deadline to have that additional 3.85 million in cap space after leaving yourself a balanced cap hit, then a pick likely to be in the fourth round or later? Why wait? I understand the rationale behind asset management, but unless you see Alan being packaged with another player for a stronger return, why not just offload him for the cap dump?

What is the point of keeping him outside of mentorship? Thanks, John. Do you think Jake Allen would get picked up on wai if he was placed on wai? I actually don't.

But what do you think? No, not because he's not good enough. It's just a salary thing.

That's it. A salary has to come back.

Right. So I'm not sure that any of the teams that need a goalie have the room to add on that salary right now. No. But At the same time, his salary is not a problem. And it's adding some more cap space. The Canadians have a ton of cap space with the LTIR, so it's never going to be an issue. No. I think that the only reason The reason why they would absolutely want to move Allen is because they think that it's a deterrent to Primo's development. Because as long as those three goalies are going to be there, they're all going to see action. Montembeau, I expect, will have probably a higher percentage of games in the second half of the season, but it will surely affect primo.

I think Montembeau is going to get two out of three games, and Primo and Allen are going to have to split that third game.

Yeah, I agree. It's going to be... Not a great situation. Even if he gets 50, it's going to be like 50, 25, 25, maybe.

Yeah, exactly.

But I don't know. For me, the Canadians are better off when the reader says, the listener says that they could also package him with another player. I think that's certainly an avenue worth considering. It means taking an even bigger salary back because you would package two players.

But let's say for the sake-Well, we talked about it last episode, we talked about Allan and Savard getting packaged together, I guess. That's it.

Or it could be as an idea. Yeah, or Allen and Monaghan. It's funny because the teams that are looking for a goal And they also seem to be very often the same type of teams that could use them on a Monahan or a Saval. That's a possibility. But to me, it's just the urgency. I'd rather... If they have to wait until the last day to say, okay, today, here's the market for our goalie. Not every team that looks for a goalie will find one before the trade deadline. So the more patient you have, the more you are, the likelihood you are to get the price that you want. And if the floor is a fourth round pick or whatever, if the value is what it is now and it doesn't get increased, well, you'll take what you're offered on the last day because you couldn't do any better. But what are the Canadians really losing by waiting a bit more? I mean, Primo has already taken a significant step forward with very limited action this year, but he's more-That would be the benefit.

That would be the benefit. Of acting now would be you loosen this logjam. When we say, well, Montable might get two out of every three games, well, that means Primo If he's one out of every three games, or if Montable is getting 60% of the games, then Primo will get 40 instead of 20. That would be the only benefit that they could give Primo some more games. But again, I don't It prevents the level of desperation for the Canadians to move Allan being that high, necessarily.

No. If you send him to the AHL, you kill his value also.

Who? Oh, Alan? You mean if he gets through waivers?

Yeah.

Well, I don't think they would send them to the HL. They would just... First of all, they wouldn't- Do you give them the waiver for free? Well, they wouldn't put them on waivers if they didn't know for a fact that someone was going to pick them up. I remained convinced that the Canadians were fully cognizant of the fact that Gus Lindstrom was going to get picked up by the Ducks. They put them on waivers and the Ducks picked them up. I don't know why they did that, but it seems pretty obvious to me that they knew that that was going to happen. The timing of it was weird. They wait for the Jamie Driesdale trade to happen and immediately put a right shot D on Wavers, just basically hand-delivering him to the Ducks. There's some arrangement was made there, something, anyhow. All right, Let's move on to other questions. We have three more. Hopefully, we're trying to get through all three. They're all pertaining to defense. We'll start with David Gautier, Dussurro. Dussurro, yeah, I think that's right. Dussu. Well, D-U-S-S-U, Dussurro.

Okay.

That's the way it's spelled here. Sorry, David, if I'm saying that wrong. But How do you know what the Canadians need and want to add high-end forwards? If that's to be acquired by a trade and the target is really a high-end talented forward, which of Gouly or Ryanbacker do you think will be expended? Obviously, David recognizes in an ideal world, you keep both, but you have to give to get. If it came down to those two, because we all know there were some questions in our inbox about what do you... These are older questions, but do you think the Canadians were in on Qatar Gautier? And the answer to that question is probably not, because what the flyers would want for Qatar Gautier, the Canadians already said no to, which was Ryan Backer. Those discussions probably wouldn't go very far unless the flyers were interested in Gugli, which I don't think they would be. It's not really a drysdale-level talent, or at least doesn't bring the same skills. But anyhow, let's say they had to trade a high-end defenseman to get a high-end forward. It's clear that Gugli or Reinbacker would be the two targets any team would identify.

Which one do you think is easier to give up on?

Man, that's tough. Gouly is more of a known quantity. So when you know exactly what you get out of him, I think it's harder to partake with to separate from a guy like that. But Ryan Backer, you cannot trade Ryan Backer without knowing what he's going to be like. They drafted him because they thought he would be a top-pairing guy. Let's say number two defenseman. You mentioned the comparisons to Noah Dobson. Right now, it's not because he's got a mess season in Switzerland on a team that's bad, that once you bring him here in three, four years, he's a very, very good defenseman. It could be... Think of Sanderson in Ottawa. When he was drafted, he was touted as a very good defenseman, but not necessarily extraordinary, but they're happy to have him.

It's a similar vibe around Sanderson as there is around Riebecker for sure.

Yeah, definitely. To me, it's a similar level. Honestly, man, that's terrible.

Well, It's a terrible choice. It's not terrible. I mean, it's a terrible choice. But if you're getting... I think... Let's say Anaheim makes Trevor Zegris available, for example. I think that's where this conversation originates is, would you include Caden Gouly in a trade for someone like Trevor Zegris? No, I would not. Well, that's it. Actually, Maxime LaPierre had a good tweet on that. He's I can sum it up like this. Trevor Zegris is the type of guy who disappears in the playoffs when he's matched up against a guy like Caden Gouly. That's the summary of that whole trade debate. But let's say, not Trevor Zegris, let's say someone who had a more complete game, who was a more sure thing as a high-end offensive player.

Like Bradley Katchuk, for example?

No, not like Bradley Kachuk. No, no, no. Like someone who's unproven, Yeah. I mean, Cutter Goethe being an example, I suppose. The thing with Ryan Becker and Gouly is I feel like Gouly's floor is higher, and he's always been a high floor guy. Everyone always knew Keaton Gouly was going to play in the NHL for a long time. It was guaranteed. You knew that. It was just how high can his floor be and his ceiling be. And his ceiling is still in question. I don't know if he's ever going to be a big offensive A defensive guy, which has always been the question with him, but that's fine. He's showing. And what's interesting here is, I asked Marty at practice on Monday about him playing on the right side, which obviously we talked about on Friday, so I'm not going to get too into it. But one thing that Marty said that struck me was, Obviously, this is not ideal. We would rather not be doing this. When we were surmising, Oh, maybe Keen Gouly has a future on the right side, I don't know if the Canadian see it that way. I think this is a stop gap, this is a temporary solution, and they would rather not have that be Keaton Gouly's future in the organization.

Right. At least St. Louis sees it that way. I had asked him about that after the first game on the right side that was against Edmonton. After the game, I had asked him and he said, Yeah, it's great. It gives us flexibility. But in an ideal world, I'd rather have three lefty, three righties. So I said, Okay.

Yeah, it's true. That's Marty's point of view. Maybe management sees it differently, but I mean, it's...

But just to answer David's question, I'm not even sure if acquiring a top-end talent at forward, like a top-six type of forward, will necessarily mean giving up on a young defenseman. I understand where the Where the quality and really the more resources the Canadians have, it's their pipeline on defense. I get that. But it's also where they know that they can build the strongest. That's where they can build a wall. If you want to get rid of big piece already when you don't necessarily know what you have in any of those cases, it's risky. So I think that down the road, if they were to... They have plenty of first-round pics, they could give up a ton of first-round pics. They could choose to go at some point in the... What do you call it? Not free agent route, but the offer sheet route. Why not? The Canadians don't have their second round pick for next year's draft, but just the possibilities, right? I don't think that it necessarily has to be giving up on one of their defensemen. Certainly not those two. I think that there was another question of who would be... It was Olivier Paquetsi-Baudou who was asking us, if you had to choose a top four core among those young defensemen, who would that be?

Well, Gulli and Reinbacker, to me, are part of it. Hudson is part of it, and Jacky is part But you still have Mayu as a trading chip. You still have Strubel as a trading chip. You still have a bunch of other guys that could, in due time, pop up and become significantly good defensemen. Not necessarily as good or as valuable as that top four, but trading chips.

Yeah, but you're not getting a high-end offensive forward by packaging Jordan Harris and Logan Mayu. You have to give up.

If you give two... Okay, and people... Again, I'm making this up. This is not a trade proposal. But if you give up two first-round picks in Logan Mayu, you're going to have... Not now, because Logan Mayu still has to convince other teams. But a year, two years from now, you give up two first-round picks in Logan Mayu, you're going to get something very valuable, I think. It doesn't have to be necessarily Gouly or Ryan Backer. If I'm the GM, those are the guys I hold on to.

Okay, that's fair. It's better for worse. I would agree with that. I think the most interesting... We're going to end with this. It came from Louis François, chef Marci. I'll just read the question. It's a little long, but that's okay. So since the Canadians drafted Hudson last year and now Rheinbacker, the fan base and organization seem to be very hopeful of the future on defense, and for good reason. We fancy the idea of having a pair with a dynamic offensive D in Hudson and an efficient large defenseman to play big minutes in Rheinbacker. We also have good depth playing in Montreal right now, and we see that Maiu and Jackai are doing great things in Laval. While these are all positives and we think they will pan out in the future, I'm starting to think that we may be blurred at the moment to what the future entails. Gouly promises to be a top defensive defenseman, maybe a second or third D man at best, in my opinion. He's still young, and I believe he will pan out, but he's been struggling a bit this year. The other defensemen do not have such a high floor.

Mayu, Strubal, Klovisevich, Harris, Maron, to me, will never be more than a fourth defenseman on a good team. My question is the following: we have volumes of second, third pairing potential defensemen and are hoping that Rheinbacker, Hudson, and Gouly can be for sure in your top two pairs. Aren't we hoping for a bit too much. We don't have the Owen Power, Dahlene combo here, and I think that the volume of players of potential solid second third pair of D is clouding the reality. Isn't the future at D weak in high-end talent? Thanks.

That's an interesting thought. It really is. Yeah, I like that.

Because, again, volume doesn't necessarily make it... It's actually the problem with their entire prospect pool is the high-end talent is not there. There's lots of volume. They have lots of prospects. I think it's similar in this case as to what... The hope is that the volume will lead to quality. That That one or two out of this group will emerge into something greater than we see them as. When we were talking to J. F. Hul about Arbor Jackai, what did he say? He's like, once this guy gets comfortable, he's going to start doing things we don't think he can do. In his eyes, he sees potential in Jackai that maybe the organization doesn't necessarily see in him right now, and that can be brought out of him them at a later date. I agree that right now there aren't that many obvious top pair options among the defense group, but there's so many of them, and they're so good. There are so many clear NHL caliber prospects that you have to imagine that one or two of them will elevate higher than what is expected of them. That's how I see it.

Yeah. The margin, it's a luxury. That talent pool that they've got on defense is not just the idea of throwing darts on the board and hoping with the amount of piques that there's going to be players coming out of there. It's a lot of legitimate NHL players that they will have. It's just hoping who are going to be the best ones in that group. It might not be that you build... You won't They have a Daline and Power duo. I agree with that. But at the same time, there's to say that you're not going...

There are two number one overall picks.

There's that. But I think that a lot of people in Hockey would trade that defense core right now for, let's say, the Carolina Hurricanes D core. And I think that the Canadians can have four Jacob Slavens and Brett Pesci and the types. I think it's geared more along that way. But they'll have the luxury of choosing among a group of very good young NHL defensemen. It's a luxury. It's not just It's not just hope decisions or hope plays. It's good choices, good problems to have. But it's true, they don't have Victor Edmund, they don't have Larry Robinson out there. No. Okay. But Lane Hudson, what's his ceiling?

Well, I also think in building a defense corps, I don't think this is as true as a forward group. But if you built a forward group of 12 players who are all second-line worthy forwards, you could probably be a pretty good team. So if you field six defensemen who are all top four caliber, second pair of caliber defensemen without being top, like prototypical number one defenseman caliber, but you can roll out six guys that are all top four worthy, I'm not sure what's the better. You might be better off that way. In terms of team Building. I mean, yes, you're going to lack the superstar quality of it. You're not going to have a Kael Mccar or a Quin Hughes or what have you. But as far as a team, trying to get through a playoff run where injuries come in and everything like that, I don't know. I think it could be a way to go about it. I think the Canadians, if that's the way that they see it, they're pretty well set up to have a defense like that that's low on star power, but the floor is so high that the group of six that they put out on any given night would probably be better than most of the other defense corps that they would face.

For sure. There could be a world where Where Jaden Struble would be your number six guy. Yeah. And if he's your number six guy, no matter who's the number one guy in the change, or am I you? Who cares who's labeled number one? If that guy is your number six, it's, again, Yes, it's a weak link type of building or philosophy. But if those guys are your bottom pair, I think you'll be okay.

How great would it be to be able to play all six of your defensemen 15 minutes a game? Or I don't know. Maybe the math is wrong. Yeah, that is wrong. 20 minutes a game. Is that right? No.

No, they're all 20 minutes. Fifteen. Yeah. No. There's six There are two of them. There are two on the ice at the same time as the 60 minutes.

There's six defensemen. There's 120 minutes to fill for defensemen. Yes. So it would be 20 minutes a game for all six defensemen. Yes. Is that right?

They have No, look, there's 60 minutes in the game.

Yeah, but there's two defense spots. Yeah. So that's 120 minutes of ice time.

No, it remains 60 minutes because there's two of them at the same time. Oh my God. If they all play 20 minutes, then you've covered the whole game.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Okay, good. Wow. What's the cliché I appreciate these days among sports podcasters? I was taught there would be no math.

Yeah, so let's leave it at that. I'm sure people in the comments are going to mention their math, but I think some people out there know what I'm talking about. Okay, We're going to leave it at that. Big week for the Canadians. Come back game against the senators on Tuesday. We got Patrick in the building on Thursday, and we will be talking to you on Friday. Until then, enjoy your week. Welcome back home, Marc-Antoine. I think you deserve some rest. And thanks, everyone, for listening.