From Matt Larkin, Canes, the hurricanes in Brindamore era.

Oh, boo this stat.

Boo this stat. Boo it. And this isn't a shot at Matt, but boo this stat. Canes in the Brindamore era have been eliminated by Toukherask, Toukherask, Andre Vasilevski, Igor Shesterken, Serge Bobrowski, Igor Shesterken. Yeah, there's good goalies in the place.

I actually tweeted last night that I think the Leaps, and I think the reason the Leaps haven't a coach yet, because the rumor is it's going to be Tuesday and it's going to be Berube. That's the rumor right now.

Darren Dregger said that.

But are you kidding me that they're not going to at least try to find out if Rod is resigning in Carolina? If it's going to be Berube, it's going to be Berube.

No, I like this game. I want to do this game. So the Leifs, Braden Hulpe, Tukar Ask, Tukar Ask, Unis Corposalo, Jail. Jail. Jail. Yeah, Jail. Jail. Cri Price, Andre Vasilevski, Serguey Bobrowski, Jeremy Swayman. It's good goalies in the playoff. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off there. Yeah. No, no, no.

Yeah, no. It's good. There's good goalies in the playoff. Corposallo, Embers, Leekin's jail. So I wanted to-No, no. And then-He wanted flowers. Now, I got to do the flowers. Do the flowers. Chris Kreider is the most stupidly incredible playoff goal scorer and criminally underrated. So Joe Bawelski is also in that conversation. He scored in game five, his 74th career playoff goal. It was his first goal of the playoff. He struggled in these playoffs, but he's literally one of the best playoff goal scores ever. And he's got more goals in the Stanley Cup playoffs since Cydney Crosby and Alexander Ovechkin débuted than Cydney Crosby and Alexander Ovechkin. He's just stupidly He's a really good player, and he never won the Cup, either. Maybe he'll get it this year. Goals in the playoff since Chris Kreider made his NHL debut. Nikita Kucharov, 53. Brad Marshan, 45. Sydney Crosby, 41. Oh, I'm not arranged by goals. Sorry. Joe Pavelski, 54. Nikita Kucharov, 53. Andre Palat, 51. Underrated. Nathan McKinnon, 48. Chris Kreider, tied with Alex Ovechkin for 47. Now, here's the difference. So there's not a huge discrepancy, right? 54 to 47. Chris Kreider has played 17 games.

Ovie is at 114, but Ovie is Ovie. Pavelski has played 136. Kutrav has played 147. Palats at 150. Kreider kills of these guys. Now, there's only one player on that list who he doesn't kill. Nathan McKinnon, 48 goals in 87 games.

Alien. What you're saying is the least need Kreider if they're going to score in the playoff.

Whatever all those frigging rumors over all those years, whatever your team thought about paying for Kreider, they should have done it.

Oh, yeah.

They should have done it. No, he's absolutely... By the way, he's a crazy player. And there's another guy who hasn't won the Cup.

Shout out, Andre Oh, yeah.

Andre Palade.

Chris Kreider joins... Not elite company at all. Wayne Gretsky and Mark Messier are the only New York Rangers to score three goals in one period in the playoff. Wow. So now it's Messier, Gretzky, and Kreider. Maybe Messier, Gretzky, and Kreider.

Gave his award to the wrong guy. Yeah.

I'll have to play about that later on.

So Ness and Pavelski are the only two in the top 10, so this is since 2012, who haven't won a cup. Asterisk on that. So Pavelski hasn't won. Kutrav has two. Palade has two. Mckinnon has one. Ovie has one. Tarasenko has one. Stamkos has two, Point has two. The asterisk is on Brad Marshand, who has won a Stanley Cup, but not since this stat.

Right. Yeah, Brad Marshand won it, and he was like a rookie.

It was 2011, and he was a rookie. But this is as Because of the 2012 Stanley Cup playoffs, when Kreider made his debut, and he had, I believe, five goals during that run as a rookie.

So good. The Rangers made some line changes, which they've tended to do throughout the playoffs. One of the biggest changes was on defense, where they moved Keandre Miller to... Well, they moved up Jacob Truba, technically, to the second pairing with Miller. I thought it was a little better because Keandre Miller, I think, is fantastic defensively and not having him paired with Gustoveson, you don't have that third pair that the Carolina Huracan can just go out there and just burn. Every single time you know when Truba and Gustufein are on the ice, the expected goals are going to go through the roof for the Huracan. That didn't happen because Keandre Miller was out there, even though they struggled a little defensively, and some of that's true because he hasn't been great, but I thought they were a lot better, and they figured I like that pairing. You stick with that when you're going to game one against Florida.

Part of it, too, by the way, is Carolina is very good. Yes. Jake Gensel is amazing, again, in the playoffs because he always is. Jake Gensel, play off Jake Gensel. The saddest thing about play off Jake Gensel is we haven't got more of it recently.

Let me look him up.

Look him up. One thing we were doing on the stream, Justin Fisher said, I picked two players, and if either of them score, he's going to gift a bunch of subs to the chat. The one guy I picked for the hurricanes was Sebastian Aho. If we're going through hurricanes, hey, they've been really good, but their season's over, all that stuff, I think Aho deserves his flowers there because he was outstanding for most of the series. A dumb penalty here or there. But offensively, he is one of the most underrated stars in the whole league. It's just what he does. Because he plays in Carolina, he doesn't get the recognition that he deserves. But Aho was a star, and he scored last night.

On the Gensel conversation, he is sixth in goal scoring since his NHL debut.

In playoff- And Here's the thing. How many goals and how many games? Because that's the most impressive part.

He has 38 Stanley Cup playoff goals in just 69 Stanley Cup playoff games, 67 points. Dreisetel is a fucking alien. He's crazy. He has 39 goals in 59 games. So he's actually played fewer games than Gensel. And he has... In those 59 games, how many points? Let's take a guess. Take a guess. 59 Stanley Cup playoff games for Dreisetel. How Oh, my gosh.

I'll double it. So I'll say 120.

Okay.

Less than that?

Probably.

105.

Okay. You guys are fuckers. 98, which is still insane.

I expected them to be through the moon.

That is through the moon. What are you talking about? The best stat is last year's playoffs, two players finished tied for goals, goals scored in the playoffs. One of them with Jonathan was Jonathan Marsha So. He scored his final goal in Vegas's final game. Leon Dreisaitl was the other. He finished in the second round.

Dreisaitl's career, so 98 points in 58... Sorry. 98 points in '59 career Stanley Cup playoff games. Over an 82-game pace, that's 136 points.

With the- Holy shit. With the last note in the hurricanes before just some more just gushing over the Rangers. They were truly all in in this playoff run. Their list of UFAs now that the season is over is Brett Pesce, Tony D'Angelo, Bradley Shay, Jalen Chatfield, Jake Gensel, Jordan Martinuk, Stefan Naisen, and Tevo Taravinen. That is a list of some of the best players on the Hurricanes. Obviously, with all of those UFAs, a lot of them are going to come back, but a lot of them need new contracts. The RFAs are Seth Jarvis, Jack Jury, Marty Nietzsche. All of the big guys on this team need contracts, and this was their go-for-year, and it didn't work out.

They're rumored to be... There have been whispers about Nietzsche getting shot.

Let me add to that, Jesse. You know who else is a free agent? The entire coaching staff and Don Wendell.

For the way they played, there are got to be questions with the coaching staff. I feel like because we all love Rod and what he's done in Carolina, they've been very successful in this tenure. But when they get to the playoffs for their power play to be... It started off 0 for 16 in this series. That's a large reason you're down 3-0.

I mean, that's the series.

That's it. The first three games, you lose them, you're 0 for 16. It's right there. For the way they play defensively, where they play man, a man defense, man defense has never historically been successful in the recent NHL. Most of the teams that win the Stanley Cup or go to the Stanley Cup are hybrid teams. They play defensively, man/zone, a hybrid, or they're just strictly zone. Then the low percentage shots they take. We can rack up 50 shots, but if three of them are only high danger, then that's a coaching problem, too.

They don't have the personnel for man. Carolina doesn't... I wouldn't say they have weaknesses, but they have soft spots.

If you don't have the personnel for man, is that not you're on your coach to switch it to a zone?

Well, I mean, Chad Chadfield has been a really good surprise. Burns is big and tough and old. He's old. And D'Angelo, why did you get D'Angelo back?

We can fix him, said the fifth team. You already knew.

Is that a philosophical thing? We know what he can't do, but he can move the buck. All right, well, sometimes you got to defend a two goal lead in the third period. They're They don't have the worst decor in the league by any measure, but you go and look at some of the recent winners, they don't have that.

Are we looking at a team that was very well built for regular season success? And once they get to the playoffs and playoff hockey is different, they fall there.

I have an issue. I have an issue with that.

They've won a playoff series. Like, what is it? Eight?

Let me tell you. Here's the issue I have. When I tweeted that the leaf should call Rod, You should at least call him if you can, if you're allowed to. Hello, Rod. Hello, Rod. People were like, What do you want? Sheldon Keef 2.0?

Okay.

Regular season, Coach guy. Guys, here's Rod's record in the last six seasons. Lost in the third round, his first year as the head coach. Lost in the first round, his second year. Oh, man, that's COVID.

What year is the start?

1819. He was the assistant for six years before that, becomes the head coach in the summer before 1819. And so 1819, third round. 1920, COVID, lost in the first round. 2021, lost in the second. 2021, 22, lost in the second round. Last year, third round, this year, second round.

And my analysis of the team that's built for tremendous regular season success and all that comes back to recent memory of the Florida series loss and what happened this year in that you saw I get that he says they played close, but you see a lot of the same faults that happened in this ranger series where their defense is good, it's solid, but they're beat consistently in these dirty areas and the low percentage shots and their offense dies at some point.

I want to add to that, though. Hang on. Because I think you're right, and I think you're about to say something, but I want to jump in before you say it. I think that's a philosophy that is similar to the one the Leaps had. They built this team similar to what the Leaps did. They weren't as top-heavy salary-wise. But you're talking about a team who built and played a lot of the same ways the Toronto Maple Leaps were trying to play, whether or not they accomplished it.

Dubis, on more than one occasion, I'm pretty sure, said that they hold the Carolina Hurricanes as somewhat of a standard in the league.

I think we're seeing that that theory has its merits, but it isn't the complete theory. It's not the path to success that it was theorized a decade ago.

Those six seasons under Brenda Moore, I counted seven series wins. Now, here I am as a lead fan, having an existential crisis. Is that actually good? Is that better than it sounds in my head?

Ask San Jose.

Right. I don't know if you look at that tenure and I'm satisfied with the success. I know you read off a bunch of second-round exits. Two final four appearances. Two final fours, and last year you got crushed, and the first one was closer than that, definitely. But I don't know if you look at that tenure and say, this Hurricane hurricanes team has been over... Are they satisfied is what I'm trying to to.