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And, ladies and gentlemen, I didn't know we were doing an intro.

Oh, my God.

We talked about this.

We went over the intro for how it was gonna play out for 30 minutes, when for the last 30 minutes before the show, I'm. That's what we were figuring out.

So. I'm sorry, Adam.

I'm on Jesse's side here. You're wrong. Wow. That's a good point.

I was sitting in this room alone. There was nobody here telling me anything. Did you do it? If you guys were talking to Drew back into.

Literally did it over the mic, like, 10 seconds.

I had no. I had no headphones for that.

Maybe you should sign some better.

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No. So thank you to 888 Canada for. For jumping on and being a sponsor here. Now let's talk a little bit of free agency. We'll start with the Toronto Maple Leafs, who did make a lot of waves today. Brad Trilliving is actually speaking to the media right now. And one of the things that he said was, listen, as far as defense goes, I'd rather have too many than too few. And it seems like they have too many. When you look at it. It's a great position to be in. Riley Tanf, Oliver Ekman Larson, Jake McCabe, Simone Benoit, Timothy Lillegren and Yaddy Hawkinpaugh. And I would include Kate Weber in that, too.

Yeah, absolutely. Adam, I just want to say I'm so distracted by the golden hour sun. You're getting behind you.

Thank you.

Because we never record at this time and like, hot damn, you're gorgeous.

Thank you. I like being hot.

If Timothy Lillegren is a healthy scratch next year, is anyone shocked?

It wouldn't be great. You shouldn't be scratching. You shouldn't have $3 million in the press box.

Yes, exactly. So like, I look at that and you, you give me the right side. McCabe. Benoit was a pairing they were very happy with last year, right? They were very happy with it. If they ever go back to it, all of a sudden you open that door, Hawk and Pa, I think is maybe going to sit some games. Benoit is going to sit some games. But true living is right. You rather have too many than too few. The problem is he's talking about like, oh, yeah, I got a couple depth signings in the hopper. Who knows? Maybe they'll break during the show. I hope they do. We've heard some other rumors about guys. They might get up front. They're over the cap. Yeah, that's okay right now.

And they're allowed to be over the.

Cap in the summer.

Connor Dewar doesn't have a contract. Nick Robertson doesn't want to sign one, but doesn't have one. Yeah, we'll get to them in a second. But so, so, but, but yeah, they have some depth signings. There's going to be a trade here, guys.

Yes, there has to be.

You would think you would hope so because right now they're running back the exact same forward group minus Tyler Bertuzzi and Noah Gregor. Like everything else has stayed the same. They resigned Domi and then everybody else has been signed. So I'm like, where's, where's the change here? In the one flaw that the Leafs had during the playoffs, which is they couldn't score and they decided to not upgrade the scoring.

Not, not, just not upgrade it. So they're giving out an extra over $7 million in raises next season to their forward core. And their forward core is what it was last year, minus Tyler Bertuzzi.

And they're spending more money.

And they're spending more money. They have erased the amount of money they're getting by the salary cap increasing and then some. And then they've also handed out $2.2 million in raises on their back end to Lilligran and Benoit. Then they added to that, like, all the money that they saved on Brody. Like, that's gone.

Yeah.

Labushkin, that's gone.

So like, my question to you guys, and my question to like the universe is why is Brad so fixated on the defense when the four groups is the issue?

Well, I actually have an answer on that one, if I could. One of the issues that we had in, in the playoffs specifically, and Jesse, you talk about it in a video that I don't know even if it's dropped on the SDPN channel yet because we're still working through some of them, is, is the fact that the Leafs could not score in the playoffs last year, right. Or three months ago. It's not last year, last season. And part of the issue for that is outside of Morgan Riley, who really was a puck mover when Morgan Riley wasn't playing, who was running the power play?

This, this was the problem when, when Lillegren was out of the lineup because he didn't earn a spot in the lineup, then they couldn't move the puck at all. And it's like, okay, got to put him back in.

So where I like this is. And again, you have to take positives and negatives here. Oliver Ackman Larson, you can, we'll talk about the contract and how much money he's made in a second here. But we do know this. Watched a lot of Oliver Ekman Larson hockey because he was in the playoffs for four rounds moves the, when the.

Panthers needed a goal, he was out there like ahead of Montour and forsling and ECB. I was surprised, frankly.

Valuable.

Then he scored too.

So if you've got three guys through the lineup, Riley, Ackman, Larson and ideally Lilligrant on the third pair, that seems to be pretty good puck movement to the forwards. And that was.

Hannah's not useless.

So that, that's problem one. I agree with you on the, on the second problem here, but here's where I think things differ. I think that the Leafs, like every NHL team, need to rely on some of their younger guys to take a step. I'm speaking specifically about Matthew Nyes, who played his full first full season last year. Looked good at times, looked iffy or not iffy, but just at other times got lots of opportunities. Still had 35 points, but when he got to the playoffs, boy, does that guy get it. And I look at I look at him, I look at Bobby McMahon and I go, okay, those are guys that if Bobby McMahon had played a full year when he got to 2020 goals, I think so, maybe. And I would, I would have included Nick Robertson in that too, who I think is a lot for 20 goals wherever he plays next year. So especially if it's not the least. Right. And we're talking about depth scoring. We obviously, for any of this to work, the top four guys on the team need to be scoring the lights out most nights. Right?

Yeah.

So. So we know that. Let's take that off the table. So they solved problem one, but problem two, I think you have a really good point, Jesse, in the sense that, okay, outside of those top four, which, you know, teams have been able to ISO in the past and shut them down or they get injured or whatever, who's going to score? And like I said, you're hoping for Bobby McMahon, maybe you're hoping for Matthew Nice. Like Matthew nice 35 points last year. Could he get 50 this year?

Well, how about this? Not pessimistically, not optimistically, just logically, Tavares takes a step back.

Oh, I think that's pretty much.

He's a year closer to 40.

Yeah.

So, yeah, someone has to step up and then some. Right? Like there's. You're just digging the hole. Obviously this isn't a complete body of work. Um, it's only July 1. Relax. The cup is not handed out today or in August. Ottawa. Um, but you know, there are still, I like some of the things they did. I think they can sort of dust their hands off when it comes to the defense up front. Lot of question marks.

A lot of question marks. Now if they've got some depth signings in, in the hopper, I wonder if one of them is their own. Connor Dewar. He's an RFA with arbitration rights. Probably want to get it done before the arb hearing because you, you know, that was the reason they wanted to get Lilligrand done so badly. If you, if you read Jonas Siegel's piece on it, if he had gone to arbitration, he probably would have been awarded somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.5 or higher.

Connor Dewar.

Not Connor Doer. Sorry, Timothy Lilly Britain as well. Oh, so. I don't know. Not Connor Dewar. Connor Dewar though. I mean, I don't know what he comes in at, but you're probably going to want to keep it as low as possible.

Yeah. He had a decent enough season with Minnesota. He came to Toronto, he had ten goals. I don't remember if he ever actually scored a goal.

One goal with Toronto, four assists in 17 games, and a breakaway in game seven.

He did not score.

I'm surprised that this hasn't been done already, like in Minnesota this first time around. On his, his first contract he made 825. The second contract he made 800. Is this not just a 900 grand player?

Nah, I think. I don't necessarily think it's. They're grinding him or anything. I think they just had lots of other issues to deal with.

Okay.

And he's. He's a restricted free agent of. And because of that, there's no rush. Right. Wants to friggin offer sheet Connor. Do I think you let them? Right.

It wouldn't even get to the compensation level. Because you can.

I don't even know you can.

You could offer sheet somebody is so low that there's no compensation. I don't think the compensation would hit for doer.

It'd be now. I want someone to do it just for Lulz. Just because it's funny.

Yeah.

I just want someone to do it. No. Yeah. Like you're trying to retain Bertuzzi. You didn't. You did retain Domi, you extended wool. I think, you know, even though you still had another year of him. That's got to be a bigger priority for you than Connor Dewar. You added Oliver Ekman. Larson, you added Yanni Hawk. And Pa, you added Anthony Stallers, which is a big deal. Yeah.

Not insignificant at all, you know?

No. And like, all these, all these issues are adding up to Conor. You can wait.

Yeah. Yeah.

Adding a puck moving defenseman and puck moving d, I think is a very interesting point because, like, I've been on the side of you got to shake things up. And where they're missing is the high end defense. And if you had like, people like Evan Bouchard who are high end scoring defensemen, if you have that on this roster, that opens up the scoring in a million different ways. So they're getting nobody on that level, but lesser degrees. I would like them to see them mix up the four group and get a high end defenseman who can be puck moving. But that's not the route. It seems like trellising wants to go. And it brings us to the, to the main issue of the four group. In the high end, talent is always in the conversation with the leaf.

They seem to be. I've seen a lot of people talk about Connor Timmons and like, that doesn't solve it.

No.

It's not enough.

No.

So, like. And people are like, well, move out yarn. Croak for someone. That doesn't solve it either.

No.

Move out camp. That doesn't really solve it.

You need to give something to get some.

You gotta give something to get some so you can pick away at it. And there's, like, a few things you can do to have this team and have it still built around the same core four or core five, who makes 61% of the salary cap this year, which is just insane to say out loud, boy, like, again, I don't know. I don't want to keep hammering that point. It's like, steve, we've already heard it. We know your opinion on this, but, like, Tampa is spending more on their core for today than they were yesterday, and so is Florida. And both of them are still, like, not even within $8 million of the Leafs.

The Leafs continue to double down and rely on a group who has not been successful so far. And I think changing around the edges and changing the coach and whoever's on defense will change up the four. And are we going to go into next season believing that that's the case for 8th year in a row, right?

Yeah. Well, okay, so. So one of the things that really did hurt them in the playoffs last year is the goaltending was really bad. Yep. Sammy is now a Vegas golden night. It's a leave. I still don't know what the deal is. We don't know what the terms are. We don't know how much, but it's a quote, unquote, prove it deal. Prove it deals can be, you know, Nazi Kadri signed a $4 million prove it deal way back in the day. So we don't actually know.

I don't think they've signed a Kira Schmidt either. And they lost Yuri Patera.

Oh, we'll get to Vegas.

Yeah. No. Very, very confusing situation.

The point I want to make here is this. They're betting big on Joseph wall. Let's start there. You did a video for the channel, but they are betting on Joseph wall being worth more than the contract that they have just extended to him.

I think they're. They're betting medium on Joseph Wall betting. I mean, listen, with their cap situation. Have to take risks like this. They do. Like it would have the Leafs keep putting themselves in a position where it's bad when one of their players has a good year. Like. Like we're talking about, like, oh, well, Matthew Nyes, I guess he just plays full time on line one. Guess who's due, right? Guess who's. Who's due at the end of the season. Like, if he scores 30 goals, it's like disaster. You know what I mean? So Joseph wall, if he plays, I don't know, 45, 50, 55 games of the season, which is optimistic. He hasn't done anything close to that.

No.

Let's say he plays 46 games for the. Just poops and giggles and he's a top 15 goalie when he does it.

Yep.

You're not paying him less than four. You're going to have a hard time paying him less than five. You know what I mean?

I know.

I just feel like. Yeah, my. Again, this is my thing. I'm feeling better about it now. Now that's 3.66, not 4 million. I don't know why that's a big deal to me. It's only $350,000.

Yeah, speaker, two people would love to make that gap.

I think it's. It's more like we've paid a lot of people on this team before they proved anything, and so let's keep doing it.

They still have to go wrong. They still have it.

Yeah, you're right.

I think Joseph Wall has proved some things, though. I think every post season that he's been in, he's been the best goalie of the two because he's always played in a post season where there's another goalie playing wow. With him. And I think both times he's been the best goalie this past year.

Yes.

Yes.

The previous year, Sammy was decent and then got hurt.

Yeah.

And then Sammy got hurt. Yes, yes. But he was.

He was the reason. I tell you, everyone, go back and watch Vegas fans, especially go back and watch game six, Leafs lightning. He was incredible. And, man, you keep wondering where that person went.

Yeah. Hey, there's people asking and one of the vip's just asked Andrew, said, hey, listen, if I got questions, are you guys taking them? Yes, we are. This is a live podcast, so this is our Monday show, except that you're seeing it live and you'll be able to listen to it recorded or view it recorded afterwards. So if you have any questions. Press conference, super chat. We're going to try to get to as many as we possibly can throughout. So just. Just so we're clear on that. Now, the thing I want to mention is, obviously we have the goaltending situation. The Leafs goaltending will cost them less than Sammy cost them last year. Anthony Stollers and Joseph Wol together are less than the three and a half million dollars. That because Wolf's extension doesn't kick in until the end of next season will cost them less than Sammy did last year. Anthony Stolers has never started more than 24 games in a season. Should we as Lee fans be excited or nervous about that even though he had great numbers in Florida?

I think it's a matter of. I mean he was really good in Florida and probably should have started more games. The reason he didn't is friggin Sergey Bobroski's there. And also like I don't even know if he was ever supposed to be the full time backup because they have Spencer Knight as well.

I mean he clearly fought and took games away from Spencer 100% like stole.

This is a good goalie. Listen, both Stallers and Wall have to take a step here and they got to play more games than they ever have. That was always going to be the case. Like it was going to be the case if they signed the romper soix. Basically the only guy it wasn't going to be the case for is Cam Talbot who decided he wanted to be part of a throuple in Detroit.

No four goalies for some.

Oh yeah. And they got Jack Campbell.

What is doing?

I think Billy who so is going to be on the move. I don't know.

We'll see. I was on the bandwagon of Brassois, but I'm happy with Stolar.

Yeah.

Because I think they're in the same category of goaltender.

I think Bruce was just made more.

Yeah, it was 3.3 that Bruce was signed with Chicago and it's two years.

Just like we're to do that. Yeah.

So it's Chicago can afford to pay that extra million dollars. But I'm very happy with what the potential of solars is. And it's. It's going to be cool to see him get those extra games. And I think Matt Murray there is protection. Is your Martin Jones this year and last year they had to use Martin Jones. They needed him. So having Matt Murray, who has been very successful in the league way back when, having him as your third goalie, I got no problem with that. I like their trio here in goal.

If it gets to Hill to be, it gets to him. But like you got to take every contingency to prevent it. And if it ends up, you know, showing up and you have to do it, I will.

Right.

You've done it before and you've lived.

And they've planned for that hopefully not to be the case. They have enough protection ahead of Hill to be so where it'd be a truly emergency if they have to go.

Do you remember Eric Shelgrenous? Do you remember that? He had a winning record area, started many games.

Yeah.

What's he doing now, do you think?

I don't know.

He's got to be like 28. Harry Satiri, Terry guy. So, so Anthony Stallers, Matt Murray. We still don't know if Matt Murray has the same provision in his contract that Martin Jones did, which basically was $100,000 signing bonus on the day that training camp ended. So that when you go on waivers, nobody picks you up. Right. It is. It's very clever. And by the way, anybody that makes 776, including Joseph Wool this year, are making below league minimum. Isn't that crazy?

It's.

There are a few players making 766 and they are probably 100 grand below league minimum.

Well, and one of them is now the backup goalie for the Washington Capitals. Their tandem makes under $2 million.

Crazy.

We were talking about that Charlie Lindgren. What was it up, 1.15 or something?

Yeah, it's. It's just a. It's a crazy number.

It's unbelievable. And it's like, yeah, I'll take both.

And the crazy thing about Washington is they have shot up, they spend. They're spending the most cap right now it's Logan Thompson, Charlie Lindgren, a $1.866 million on their goaltending, which is pretty wild. They are spending a lot of money in other places. So. Okay, if you had Steven Jesse, a wish list for July 2, so. Or, you know, tonight I count everything after this show is July 2.

Leafs wish list.

Wish list, right. I have a feeling I know what Jesse wants, so I'm going to start with Jesse. What's your wish list? It can include trades, it can include signings. Give me an archetypal thing that you want them to want to see them do.

Am I allowed to say Mitch Marner trade?

Sure.

I think that would be the number one thing on the list.

So you want Mitch. You want a Mitch Martin?

I think we've had enough time to where I get you want to run it back with some new defense and not even changes to the four group. That part doesn't really make sense to me. So I don't know. The only way you're going to really get a huge, substantial change in the lineup here is with moving out a big piece of the Ford when that would be Mitch Marner, because I don't think there's any avenue to any of these other players in the Ford group getting anything substantial back.

Right.

He's really their only asset. Like you've outlined it a million times, where you can't move JT, you're not going to move Willie, you're not going to move Austin. And nothing else. Like Cali yarn croak a Ryan Reeves. Like trading any of that doesn't give you anything substantial back. And we've seen this time and time again where they need some sort of change. A new head coach isn't going to be it. Bradsh living clearly has the same mentality that dubious had, because that's the mentality that Brendan Shanahan has, and Brenda Shanahan is the king head honcho of this whole thing, who's making these decisions. So that, I think is the necessary number one thing for the lease, unfortunately.

Like, for example, okay, so you trade Ryan Reeves and you bring in someone making, let's say, 950, like a little over league minimum. Trading Ryan Reeves for like, a third round picked doesn't save you $1.35 million. It doesn't save you his capit. You need to replace that person, right?

You need a body.

So if you put in someone making 950, and the reason I picked that number is just because it's easier to do the math that way, it only saves you 400 grand. You know, David camp, he makes 2.4. Is that too much? Sure. You bring in someone, you know, 1.5, it's 900 grand. Like, again, you're just, you're picking away. And I just. I guess I'm just tired of the song and dance where they're dressing University of Toronto police and they're trying to.

Fit Matthew nyes in, in the last ten games. That was more a do, but playing short. Yep.

A couple times. Or, like, not having, like, how do you plan for the western road trip when you can't afford to bring spares?

Like, you can't.

You literally can't afford to bring rough, spare players where you get to get friggin Homelander to scoop someone up and drive them to the, like, I don't. I'm just, I'm tired of the song and dance and it. It's worth mentioning. I. I gotta say, all the stuff that we've said about the core four recently, I can't believe the pushback. I can't believe the pushback.

Why?

They haven't won. They haven't come close to winning. They've lost seven out of eight playoff series, and they've got a maximum of five wins out of the 16 that you need to win the cup. The how was their pushback to the.

Idea that this doesn't work, the protection for a group that has been successful in one playoff series is mind boggling to watch.

Like, listen, we all have our favorite guys, man. Like, the argument is not that Mitch Marner is bad at hockey.

No, the.

You know what? Let's get McDavid to the mix. Does get Kutra.

The mix doesn't work.

Yeah.

No, no, no.

The mix is fine. So you should be able to win with McDavid and Vasilevsky. And let's get mural Hasken in there, and let's get Quinn Hughes and Ope. We're over the cap. There's a salary cap, man. There's a salary cap. You can't do it. No other team is even trying it.

Well, I also think the Leafs pay. Have paid their wingers too much. And the thing is that when you look at the. The. The martyr contract, specifically, his raise is going to be about a million. A million and a half, which tells you how out of whack it was when he signed.

Yes.

Right.

And now Matthews was in the same spot.

Yeah, but Matthews delivered 60 goals a couple times and a heart did.

But he went from 1.64 or something up to 13.25, which isn't a huge raise. It's less than two mil.

Yeah, that's the guy I spent it on, because he's a center.

Well, what about this thought? Because you were talking about spending too much on the wingers. What position is Mitch Marner play?

Wing.

Which one?

Right wing.

Right wing. Which wing does William Nylander?

Right wing.

Right wing. You spend all that money on William Nylander because he's great. That means you shouldn't need Mitch Martin. You spend all that money on Mitch Marner, that means you shouldn't need William Nylander. Like you can't afford both, but it's.

A luxury that they shouldn't have anymore. And. Right. I look at a team like Vegas who did not do a whole bunch today, and there's some banding about. About them maybe wanting to be in on Mitch Marner. And I feel like there's a decent trade asset out there for you if you want to go get a couple of defense men. I don't know whether it's Nick Hague. I don't know. It's Braden, McNabb, Shay, Theodore, whoever it is, if you want to get Nick Waugh, if you want for the Ford group. But there's options out there to mix it up and try something different. And I think we'll be better in the end.

Yes. And I look at this. And I. And funnily enough, Jesse, there is a depth chart for the Vegas gold knights going around, and some people are saying, hey, listen, there's a bit of a hole here at the top at right wing. Oh, you know, Barbara, chef Jack Eichel, blank space. Oh, so, you know.

Who made this.

Burger feed the fish? 79 did. But basically, you know, if they are looking around, it wouldn't surprise me. There was that Ceravali report.

But again, Seattle's. And also an interesting trade partner for Mariner.

Like, we talked about that off camera. I think that was your idea, Adam. I really liked it.

Well, I think that that changed when they signed Chandler Stevenson, though. I thought that, too, because Stevenson's an all assist guy.

What I was talking about first players.

You have nobody on that team that can finish. And I thought, hey, wouldn't it be funny if they got a defenseman, which I think they have enough now, and they got Brandon Tanf, too. Like, they got Larson and Tanf and all that cap space and what?

I don't know.

It was just a joke.

Right.

But, you know, you're shooting from the hip. It's not like a real trade.

Oh, you mean. You mean Toronto got that in a.

Trade or something like that? But again, you have Stevenson. The guy's a 40 assist guy. You don't. I don't think you need another one of those guys. I think you need, like, to me, the fit in Seattle. I don't think they've called. I don't have any information on this. But Patrick lining, you need a guy who. You need a reclamation project, who you can pay 4,000,005, four and a half, get them to retain on him and put him in that lineup. That guy gets 30 goals.

Shooter.

Absolutely. A shooter. Now. So, the Leafs. I asked Jesse this question. Steve, I'd like to ask you if you have any more expansion on this that you'd like to. What is your archetypal player for the Leafs over the next two days here? Because really, after this, it starts to peter out.

Someone who can score friggin goals, someone who's not afraid to shoot the puck. Like, I think a big part of the reason the Leaf struggled to score goals in that series against Boston is they overpassed.

They sure did.

They overpassed. And someone who can bully their way to the front of the net. Like, I'm seeing too many people be like Jeff Skinner and, like, I like Jeff Skinner. And, yeah, that could be a great signing through the regular season. And then the playoffs arrive and he gets tossed around like a ragdoll. Like the. The Leafs, like getting a rebound in front of Jeremy Swamon. Forget it. Forget it. It's not happening. Like, you want to talk about ways they can improve. Their penalty kill needs to be better. I thought. I think their penalty kill greatly improved today.

Hawk and Paw Tanf bringing Dewar back will be gay. Great. Marner's an elite penalty killer.

Yes. Okay, but then the power play. The power play. Why aren't we talking about the power play the exact same way we talk about Ilya Samsonov? Ilya Samsonov was great from January, February, March, April.

Bad.

He faltered a bit. Like, it was like, literally the final two games. The power play. So sorry, I'm skipping ahead. Samsonov gave you every reason to believe he could do it, and then he disappeared in the playoffs. This power play, like, what did they finish in the league? Second. They finished really high.

I think they were 7th. They were second until they fell off a cliff.

You know what I mean?

Yeah. They did fall off a cliff, though, in the last six weeks. And no adjustments were made?

No. And then the playoffs arrived and they cratered. Who's on the top power play unit.

The same guys that have been on the same power play unit for six years.

And it was Guy Boucher's fault, the same way it was Manny Malachotra's fault. And when are we going to stop?

Well, I think officially now they've got two guys who can quarterback and maybe you switch. You switch it up and you make two units that are competitive with each other for ice time.

The Toronto Maple Leafs.

Yeah.

Finished the 23 24 season 7th in the league and power play percentage. But from March 1 to the end of the season, they were 29th and.

But they didn't change anything.

They've done this several times.

That's.

That's crazy.

Can you look up? I think it was the. I want to say it was the Canada season. Remember? It was like the only thing heading into the playoffs. We're like, okay, this team is good, but they can't friggin score on the power play was either the Canada season, which was 2021, or it was 20. 2021, 22, where they went something like two for 60 or something in the final six weeks of the season.

They finished 16th and 2020, 2021, in power play percentage.

Okay, so maybe it was the next year.

Yeah.

Like, I'm just talking about March onward. There was one year march where it was just goodbye.

Ask me for a lot. It was just good.

No, don't worry about it. But no. Why are we talking about the power play, which is exclusively 61% of this roster, salary cap. The way we talk about Elia Samsonov? They did the same thing.

Yes. Yep, yep. Agreed. You know, and I think that's the thing. You move that around. I remember I said when Marner went down, I was like, put Max Domi in that spot. They waited. They waited and they did it, and they got results. And I'm glad to see him back. I'm glad to see him back at that number. I want to come. I want to go through some of the numbers that the Leafs signed players to. So Max Domi, three, seven, five. Over four years, it seemed like I was right.

Steve was right. In the 2021 season, from March to the end of the season, they were 28th in PowerPoint. So just as they were this season, where they were 29th that season, they were 28.

The lights are too bright.

Yeah, every.

Too bright.

Every march comes around, their power play fails.

Max Domi, 29 years old, 4.3% of the cap next year, and I'm going to be reading off percentage of caps a lot more now because I think it is more important than even the number. But the number is three. Seven, five guys get vibes. Are we good vibes or are we. Are we feeling bad?

Good vibes. I can't believe, like, how down people are on this. It's. Listen, I think the reason this guy's.

Dying to win here, why he's dying.

To win here, he's actually put down some roots here. But I saw someone like hawking pie. That's way too much for hawking pie. I'm like, okay, what's the root of the issue here? The root of the issue here is you see a player sign here for less than league minimum, and you're like, they can't afford that. Why?

Let's keep moving.

Now, Maximi is the perfect player because the amount of places he could play in this lineup, he's a playmaker. He can hopefully set up some guys to get a couple extra goals, and he wants to be here. It's perfect.

I catch off early. Go ahead, speaker two.

No, I'm. I'm interested to see how he gels with Craig Ruby. Ruby does not tolerate a lack of effort. Max Domi doesn't have a lack of effort, but he has a lack of any kind of defensive ability. He's terrible. He's terrible in his own.

Terrible as an exaggeration.

Well, how would you rate his defensive?

Well, they don't. They don't trust him to play it.

We'll put it that I give him three.

Yeah, three.

Wow. Adam, what are you at?

I, you know what? I think the best defense, great offense, and so.

Oh, when he's offensive and great player, that's great defense.

Wouldn't you?

That's such a cop out.

Yeah, but every now and then, the other team catches them in the man. That line of, I think it was him. Yarn croak and Robertson, man, they were fun to watch in the off.

They were, but this is, man, they.

Were a nightmare to watch in their own.

It's annoying, though, because Max has all the skills of a guy that you'd think would be good at defense, right?

So if a lot of this is going to come down to coaching, I.

Mean, there is a lot of, everything is going to come down to coaching.

What are the major changes beyond the coaching staff, right. Chris Tanf.

Well, hold it. Where I want to go through the vibes. I want to go through the vibes of the contract.

Sorry. Sorry.

I'm gonna give that Max Domi's vibes.

Vibes. I'm gonna give that us an eight out of ten vibes.

Eight out of ten vibes. Jesse, do you have a rating out.

Of 1010 out of ten out of ten vibes?

Love the love the vibes.

60 vibes per 60. Max, dummy.

All right. All right. Chris Tanv, $4.5 million for the next six years. And, yes, he will play all of them. What, what are the vibes on this? This is, this is, by the way, this defenseman. And you're like, people are like, I just can't believe they gave him an extra 500 grand. This is the best defenseman, defensive defenseman at five on five. End of story. Numbers will tell you.

I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say 7.5 out of ten just because of the length of the deal. And also, I I thought the number might be a little less than 4.5, but he is exactly what we have been whining for forever, which is, this is the best right handed defenseman, the.

Late since who had, since Brian Leach.

No, he's not right handed. He's like, like, you scavage, maybe like, dude, the bar is low. Matthew Zero. Barry Zaitsev, Hall. Shen, Labushkin, Hainsi. No, Hainesy is a lefty who played on the right.

Oh, right.

You know what I mean? No left. So this is, this is the, this is the thing. Like, oh, I don't like the amount of money. I don't like the years. This is exactly what they need.

Okay, great. So your vibes. Your vibes. Level seven and a half.

Jesse, you know, I think Steve nailed it. It's. I know you're your top right handed pair. To get that at $4.5 million, I think is a steal. And they're able to do that because of the length of the contract. And that is a great value for a guy who's going to get your number one right handed defenseman minutes is perfect.

Speaker two, Oliver Ekman Larson, 3.5 million per year. This is 4% of the cap for the next four years. And need I remind you that Joel Edmondson, third pairing. Joel Edmondson just signed in LA for 3.85 million. What are the vibes? Knowing that comparable.

I'm going to.

I mean, I just want to cut much.

I'm going to, I'm going to say 6.7 out of ten because he's going to bring the Leafs their first cups in 67.

There you go.

I like that. I mean, listen, this is Brad Treliving and Shane Doane being the hockey est of hockey men and going, we had him before. Yeah. You know, I know we have the best scouting staff that money can buy or the most expensive one that money can buy. But you know who we could get a guy we know and they went out and they got Oliver Ekman Larson, who was good. He was good in the playoffs and en route to a Stanley cup win. He's going to be pretty old by the end of that deal.

But he's 32 now.

32 now. Three and a half. It's not the end of the world. That's why I give it above a five. 6.7 out of ten.

All right, Jesse, I'm going to say a five. I would have liked them to spend this 3.5 somewhere else. It feels like. Not necessarily feeling like a need, more of like a want. It's like, hey, it'd be nice to have him and let's go do that. But with the way this team is structured, you can't be going out and spending all willy nilly. And OeL feels like a tiny bit of an overpay and a tiny bit of an unnecessary body because they have nine defensemen, NHL defensemen signed to this roster. They did probably. I don't think they need this night that much. But I'm okay with Oel, the player being on the team. It's going to be a great fit, I think, once he's in the lineup. But it feels unnecessary.

The Leafs have cornered the market on the last 20 or 25 years worth of Arizona Coyotes captain.

That's right. Timothy Lilligran. Two years, 3 million per vibes. Let's go quick.

Three.

Okay. Three out of ten. You don't like it?

Ten. We were talking about shoots, right? No, we were sending texts. Yeah, he shoots, right? Yeah, he shoots. Yeah. Right into the opposition stick. Frickin fire it right in the back of your net. Through your Civ goalie's five hole. No, Lilligran, listen, if he takes a step this year, he's still somewhat young. Fine. Great. Good. He made 1.4 million last year. He still was not an 82 game everyday leaf, and he was healthy, scratched on some nights. That's shocking at his age for what was expected of him. And we were sending text all the way up to 05:00 like, hey, is this guy even going to get tenure to qualifying offer? And we find out he gets a more than double raise. Three.

Yeah. Cause he would have got a lot in arbitration.

Three out of ten for the 3 million per. I hope he's. That he's worth that because he hasn't shown it.

Jesse.

Yeah. I don't. I. It seems a little rich again, you know, $3 million for this player who you're not sure is going to be in your lineup. Doesn't it really make sense? You can't have $3 million sitting in the press box if you don't end up paying Lilligant. So I hope, like, I think Lilligant is going to mature into a better player than a lot of people, other people do. I think a lot of people think, like, he's reached a ceiling and that's it. But I don't. There's still room to grow. I know you don't, but I think a lot of the sentiment out there was like, lillegren's at his peak. I think there's still room to grow. So I'm not too down on the deal. It's just for what he is right now, it's a little much.

The Leafs were worried he was going to be their Gus forsling, that they would let go of him and he would be a star somewhere else. The contract reflects it. It's not just 3 million, it's two years.

Yeah.

So if he's in the press box this year, damn. Like, you're not going to be able to get rid of that.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yanni Hawkin, Pa. Quick. Real quick. Out of ten, 6.9. All right, Jesse.

For his height.

Hawkin Pa. I'll say a seven.

Yeah.

It's the. What was the deal again?

1.5 million, two years. The guy, six foot seven.

1.5 million. Like, you can't go. I just pump it up to an eight. Like I think I'm wrong with 1.5.

There you go. I like the Anthony 2.5 million, two.

Years, eight and a half.

Jesse.

Eight.

Okay.

Yeah.

And let's screw it. Matt Murray, rs875 fan.

Eleven.

Yeah.

Eleven, because there's no risk. It's good. It's good goalie protection. You need three goalies. It's perfect. You know him? He's good. Good locker room guy.

Four. He's right. He's replacing a guy who played NHL games. Like Matt Murray did not play hockey games. He played a few. Like, a handful of games in the minors.

Now, now, here's. Here's what trill living.

Some of the Matt Murray was on the leaf playoff roster.

There you go.

Oh, shut up. Matthews didn't grow up a leaf. He's turned out okay.

These quotes.

That can't be the only thing.

These quotes are from Terry Cochin on the defense. He said, I'd rather have two many. That not enough.

True.

Living on wall. This is from. Also from Terry Koshan. We have a lot of faith in Joe. That was a priority for us to get ahead of that on Robertson. Remember, Robertson reported yesterday, it was reported that he has no interest in signing a contract with the Leafs. He said, we look at Nick as an excellent player. We need him to be a good player for us. So they'll just say, yeah, that's cool that you requested a trade. You're not getting one.

So the difference is, like, people are comparing it to Ilya McHayev. By the way, Kyle Dubas choosing to not honor Ilya McKayev's trade request is the best thing that ever happened to Ilya McKay of his career.

What about the Bruins with Jake Dubrusk?

The best thing that ever happened in his career. Dubrus stayed in Boston, played great, got millions of dollars. McKayev stayed in Toronto, played great, got millions of dollars. The Leafs are looking to add upfront or they need that. Like, there's some holes there. There's some really capable offensive players stay here. He got 15 goals, right?

Yeah.

Like. Like, even though he wasn't in the lineup every day, and that was frustrating. Tell you what. He was in the playoff lineup.

Yep.

Played six games. What do you do with it? Well, zeros across the board.

Yep.

So Anthony Petrelli had this, and it's dry, and it's the way to look at it completely fine with trading or keeping Robertson, but a guy with 17 goals and 34 points in 87 career games and one point in ten playoff games, the one coming in the bubble, simply cannot force your hand. Sit the year if you have to. Leafs can't just bend the knee every single time.

Agreed.

This is not a player with leverage. Sit. Sorry.

Wow. Okay.

The playoff thing, I think is an underrated point. People aren't looking at sitter sign.

That was his opportunity. Matthews out. Nylander out. We need depth. Scoring.

I forgot about no one's scoring.

No one's scoring.

Not a goal.

Someone say he hasn't scored a playoff goal since 2020.

Damn.

Someone, anyone save us? And he wasn't there.

Treliving says we've got work to do yet. And then lastly, no update on Mitch Marner. Mitch is a great player. We're lucky to have him. Craig alluded to it at his last press availability. He's excited to coach him and move forward. Mitch is training, preparing and getting ready for the season. So just so you know, that's what the Leafs are saying. But again, again, very, very. That. That. That conversation and the way they talk about this to me anyway, is a lot different than what they were saying about Niall and or last summer, which is we need to get this player signed.

Did any reporter in that room go? So, Brad, when you said everything is on the table, what did you mean? Did you mean Anthony Stollers? Is that what you meant?

I have a feeling that that's not what.

No. Did you mean literally having a worse forward group than last year? You're going into next season with last year's forward group, minus Tyler Bertuzzi and Noah Gregor. And I'm supposed to be jacked about that?

Noah Gregor won a championship for the crab people, Toronto Maple Leafs.

Yeah. Good for him. In his video game championship.

It was significant.

Again, I know. I don't want to sound too down on this team. It's a playoff team and I think they'll make the first round again and they'll have a really competitive series against whoever they play in the first round again. And I hope they win it this time. But seven out of the last eight, they haven't.

The goal isn't to be a playoff team. The goal here for anybody who's new is to win a championship. I feel for anybody who was born in 1968 and you've had to learn this your entire life. And what has this team done for you? Nothing.

No, you're wrong. 1964.

Why?

Here's why. You don't remember him?

No.

You were alive, but you don't remember him.

Okay.

You got to be at least. I'm going to go with at least 62.

All right.

Yeah, 1962.

All right. I'm going to throw a break here for a second here, so we'll be right back. And we're going to get through our free agency winners and lose us in Louisville. It's sunny, it's Canada day, and I. You need your shady rays, baby. You need some sunglasses for the summer. And not just one pair. You need multiple pairs. And how about we do this for you? How about we, because it's free agency day and we're not used to getting a discount in Toronto with our pay, you see. How about we give you. Oh, my watch. How about we give you 50% off two or more pairs of sunglasses rated five stars by over 300,000 people online? Use the promo code sdp@shadyrays.com for 50% off two or more pairs of polarized.

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Thank you. Thank you, darling. Okay, so here's what I want to ask you. Your free agency winners pick a team. Not every team will be covered. There's more winners than what we're going to choose here on the panel today. But who stood out for you? Jesse blake.

Winner today.

Winner, winner. Chicken dinner.

I haven't really thought about it. Okay, steve, you go first.

I like teams that became more of what they want to be. The Boston Bruins became more of what they want to be, as they always do. They're the Boston Bruins. They go out and they find Boston Bruins. I'm a little tentative because I don't. I. I don't love that Elias Lindholm deal for them. They needed to add at center and they added pretty big at center. I mean, who was really bigger at that position? Who was available than him? Like, you could argue Chandler Steven.

Yeah. Yeah, you could. I think that's pretty much big deal.

And Nikita Zidorov on the Bruins. Yuck. Like, how did we go from. Nikita Zidorov is for sure getting traded from the Flames to the Leafs to less than a year later. Oh, good. He's going to play against the Leafs in their own division for long.

How do you feel about the fact that Nikita Zidorov's analytics may not be great, but he might be kicking the Leaf's ass the entire time we play him in real life. Boo.

And also fart and hiss and kick. Poo into your hat.

Into the hat.

Into the hat.

You have to wear the hat afterwards.

No. So you gotta like, kick it softly and it's got to be a firm enough poo.

Okay.

Like, you can't just blast it. It'll go.

A lot of things need to go right here.

Yeah, I know. So I do like that for the Bruins and former Bruins, the Canucks getting Jake to brusque. What do.

Do we get more than one?

Oh, just one team. I was out.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, one. One team's good. I think the Bruins are a good pick.

Well, I like what the Canucks do too.

Okay, well, that's fine. You know what we'll do. Your winner and then a special mention to accommodate Jesse Blake. Go ahead.

My winner is the Nashville Predator. Yeah, I think it's. It's an easy one to go to the go with today. They signed the biggest fisher of the day in Steven Stamcos. They got the second biggest fish, one of the second biggest fishes in Brady Shea. And then you have Jonathan Marshall. So as well, they needed this. They. After a great performance last season, unexpectedly, I don't think a lot of people expected Nashville to be a playoff team. And that amazing run they had at the u two concert that they didn't go to. They deserve this boost, boost to this roster. And getting those big names has been incredible for them. They get a great backup in Wedgewood. They have a piece to trade in, a goaltender. They have two first round picks this upcoming season, their own and Tampa's, which is top ten protected. So they have more assets to get. More from the tangent deal, that was the first round pick. It doesn't.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

It's not, it doesn't come until next year's draft. So they have this first day of two first round picks coming up in a year where they should be pretty good. So I think Nashville is going to be a team that's going to be in contention to maybe win the division, to go deep in the playoffs. And they're going to keep adding pieces because they're not only have they added already, but they have still room under the salary cap to add more. They're incredible right now. And Barry Truss is working his magic.

One more thing to add. Jesse's right. That's the right answer. It's just I had to answer off the top of my head and he.

Had time to prepare Steven Stamkos, Brady Shea and Jonathan Marshall Show. Stammer and Marshall show specifically Jesse, to back up your point, were booted out of their particular team. Stamcoast was the first 1st overall pick ever by the Tampa Bay Lightning. And Jonathan Marshall, as he did in Florida, was sort of left by, on the scrap heap by the Vegas Golden Knights. He said publicly, guys, they didn't offer me anything that was even close to acceptable. Like, he's like, they didn't even really try.

I thought a player, he's coming off 42 goals. You want to con Smythe for them. I'm like, he's going to get at least $7 million to see he got a half million dollar raise. Yes, with big term, but a half million dollar.

I think the term.

I'm shocked.

I think the term was the reason that, that he, that number's down where it is. Because I think, you know, you go for the, the extra year or two and that's, that brings the AV down, which allows the team to get more players like stamkos and like Brady Shea.

Now, if I'm not mistaken, from all the stuff that I've watched of the Vegas Golden Knights over the years marches, so has a lambo. Is he going to be driving it to Tennessee from Nevada?

That's a good question. I don't know if they're a good road trip car, but you never know, right? Like, listen, I don't, I don't have a lot of experience with lamb.

I think the first 20 miles are fun and then you run out of gas.

My, my pick is going to be a weird one. The Washington Capitals, I don't hate, and I include the Washington Capitals from the Pierre Luc Dubois trade onwards. I'm going to read you a quick, a quick fan tweet from. It's supposed to be a Nick Dowd play on words, but it's Deke nowder. But anyway, the, what they, here's what they traded out Nick Jensen, a 2026 3rd round pick. A 2024 3rd round pick. A 2025 3rd round pick. A 2025 2nd round pick back Malinston, Mount Millstone Malinstine and Darcy Kemper. What they got was Jake Chikran, Andrew Mangiopani, Pierre Luke Dubois, Logan Thompson, Stanley cup winner and Matt Roy. And by the way, Logan Thompson still makes $776,000. We mentioned it a little earlier on this show, but the Washington Capitals are spending less than $2 million on their goaltending this year. They have ballooned their salary. They are now at a hundred million dollars total. Obviously they're. They've got some lTi are there with Nick Backstrom. They are going to have to move, make some more moves to get under the cap. But I got to tell you, listen, Jake Chickren played on two of the worst poorly managed franchises like to start his career.

It sucks. Nobody is was worse run than the Arizona Coyotes. Second to them. Second to them were the Ottawa Senators. And I would say Columbus is tied with that too. But the Ottawa Senators had an issue with ownership. When you have an issue with ownership, Coyote too. That's the thing, right? That. That's what makes it that much worse. Chickren is finally going to be able to be on a team that really did make a Cinderella run to the playoffs. I know they only lasted four or five games. I think they got swept by the Rangers, right?

Yes.

And that's fine, but they're there. I love to the risks on Mangiopani, which is $5.8 million. Maybe we want to get him back to 30 goals. He gets a big contract next summer because we benefited from it this year. I love that. And pure Luc Dubois. When you look at the centerman that. That Washington has as great as Hendricks Lapierre was for the Hershey Bears in the AHL playoffs, you need a top line center to play with.

Obi Dylan Strom led them in scoring.

Yeah.

I will say the detractors would be like, you're spending way too much on Dubois and Mangapani.

Until Dubois finds his form again, I.

Do not like that player. Am still betting on both Mangiopane and Dubois, at minimum being better next year than they were last.

I think it would be hard to be worse. And Logan Thompson was a solid goalie for, for Vegas. And Matt Roy, great signing, lots of stuff and that. And so I like all of that for the Washington Capitals. I don't know where that puts them, but we were talking about this a little bit earlier. That metropolitan, which we called Metropolitan for a while, is looking a lot more competitive now. The islanders, I think the only big move they made this today at least, was Anthony Duclair. Four year deal. We have no idea how much.

I mean, they could have signed half the league and we wouldn't know.

We would know. They won't tell us till September.

Maybe Mitch Marner's an islander, maybe Carolina. We'll find out in September.

Carolina, you know, maybe take a step back. But then you've got New Jersey who are resurgent, New York who are cutthroat.

Yep.

And obviously the Washington Capitals is going to be a lot more competitive this year. So let's get to, can I give.

Out my baby winner?

Oh, get your, give me your baby winner.

The baby winner for me is New Jersey, I think did a great job getting Pesci and Dylan and Nason. I think that's my baby winner.

I got a teenage winner.

Who's your, who's your baby winner?

I'm going to just look, you know what? I didn't, I didn't prep enough for this, but I will say, I'm just looking through here. I am going to say I really liked what I'm with Steve. He already picked Vancouver. Really like what they did. I loved the Edmonton ads. I like that they retained Connor Brown in a million.

Arvidson.

Victor Arvidson is going to be such a key for them. They're paying him less than I think Warren Vogel got, and I think he's the better player when he's healthy. And, and that is going to be the key. Right. He only played 18 games last year. I love Victor Arvidson and I love him for Edmund.

It's such a good story that Conor Brown's back, like, $4 million was dumb. Yeah, that was always dumb. And, but they stuck with him. And, God, he played himself into being such a valuable player for them. No wonder he's back. Good for him.

Okay, and then I'm looking at setting up the losers. Yeah. Free agency. Losers pick a team. Who wants to go first?

I'll go first, which means my answer is going to be wrong.

But doesn't mean that Dallas.

What about, and that is a team I'm so high on.

Okay.

So high on the stars, and they're still gonna be good. And they're still probably gonna be a cup contender.

So they resigned Duchenne.

They lost. Good.

They lost Tanv and Hawk and Pa.

They lost Tanv and Hawk and Pa. Especially Hawk and Pa. Yeah, especially. Even to Smith. Like, that's not terrible. But to spend dumb, nearly $7 million on dumbo, Labouch can, I don't understand that.

Yeah. So Dumba gets 3.752 years, Labushkin, 3.252 years, 4.3% again on the cap and 3.7% on the captain. I just don't, what is the issue there for you? Let's get specific. Like, okay, so Dumba is a guy that, and we talked about this in this, in the video, dumb as a guy that we expected to have, like, a six year, $36 million deal a couple of years ago that's fallen away.

Well, no, one's replacing Tanf, so we'll start there. The other thing is, is. Is Lubushka better than haak and Pa? All right, here's a better question. Is Lipushkin twice as good as Hawk and Pop?

Right?

I just. I just don't like the way they manage their money there. They're still a really good team. They're still a contender. I just don't love what they did.

Okay, Jesse Blake, I'm.

I'm battling two teams in my head. I think I had got to decide on one, right? So I'm going to go with the.

No, we need a baby loser.

I will give a baby loser, but my big loser. The Detroit Red Wings.

Yes.

Because I don't know where the ISer plan is going. Iserman's big free agency day. And Patrick Kane was signed on June 30, so it doesn't count for today.

Or, like, improviserman.

Steve Eisenman's big, big decision was to sign up for goalies. You know, he already had Billy Husso, he already had Alex Lyon. And then he goes out and he gets Jack Campbell, and the other name escapes me right now. Who's the other goalie? Who's the Talbot? Cam Talbot. That's there.

And this is what I thought with Alex Lyon last year. I'm like, who's your agent? Like, you were just so good. You led the Panthers toward a playoff spot, and you signed with Detroit to be the third goalie. Oh. But then he worked his way up to be, like, the backup for a.

Situation where you have two goalies who are going to be competing for spots. Why go to a place where there's already two goalies? That made no sense to me. And then the deal he made before free agency to free up a whole bunch of space, and you move Jake Waldman with a second to have all this Capro to do something interesting. It never happened. Where was that subsequent move?

Patrick Kane, I think.

No, that wasn't it.

That wasn't anything like 6.5 is quite.

A bit last year. Plus almonds deal. Part of the appeal, I think you're building on. I'm sorry?

Well, no, part of the appeal of Kane last year was how cheap he was.

Yeah.

And, like, now it's like, if he was. If he's that good again, it's like, okay, well, then you're like, breakeven, right?

And it's a $4 million cap hit.

Oh, yeah.

No, no. With bonuses.

With bonus. It's all the bonuses and all that stuffing up to six and that's the total value of the contract. So it's $4 million. Cap it right now. And if that's it from Iserman. I looked at a Detroit team that was in a playoff spot all season long and then they fell off a cliff once they got just a couple of injuries and their goal at the goaltending went away. And you're going to see Dan Pat with your Justin hall defense and you're going to sign up.

They couldn't trade Justin hall.

No. And you're going to sign up Eric Gustafson now and he's going to be the thing that's going to hold you guys together and bring back Patrick Kanek. I don't understand what they're doing.

Well, here's what. Does this make it better or does this make it worse? So the, the big drama, and this is a great story, but it's getting buried by free agency, is the fact that the New York Rangers are done with Jake Truban. As of today, he was able to submit a 16 team, no trade list. And the rumor was because he wants to stay in New York that he was going to potentially put Detroit on it because he goes from a no move to a no trade just to scuttle this deal because he doesn't think anybody else will take him. At which point the Rangers would just put him, as they did with Barclay Goodrow on waivers. Does your opinion change if the Red Wings get a $6 million Jake Truba?

No, if they.

Oh, eight. I mean, if the trade happens at six. If it doesn't, it's eight.

If they get Jacob Truba, it makes it worse. Like Jacob Truba isn't the answer for the Red Wings.

I don't feel, I don't know, having cider and Truba on your right side. Like we teams, like players in the Atlantic might die.

Okay.

But the New York Rangers are saying we were in the conference finals and we're close to making the Stanley cup finals and we don't need this man. So you're gonna, you're gonna take him and he's gonna be answer for the volume. That nighter right there didn't need him.

They have Fox and Schneider, though.

No, no. Take the dregs from the team that it didn't work for. Like, that doesn't make sense.

And let me ask, and let me add this.

Last year, Detroit, right?

Yeah, Detroit.

Yeah. They're going to get a sweetener for it, I think. But last year, Detroit was my, had the worst free agency day pick. I said that last year I said that they had the worst. I don't understand what they're doing. It was bad. And of course I looked terrible as soon as they got into a hot streak to start October, November. And I feel pretty good about it because what happens is when you have a bad July 1 is how important this day is, it leads to other bad July 1 as you try to undo some of the things that you did previously. I'll give you a Leafs example. So, you know, I'm not picking on Detroit. I'm trying to back up Jesse's point here. Patrick Marlowe. They went the third year with Patrick Marlowe, and in the third year all the big extensions kicked in and they're like, crap. We can't keep them. And now Seth Jarvis just signed for $6.9 million. Nice.

They're doing it again, by the way, in Carolina because they said with Oliver Ekman Larsen, they're like, we went four years to get the player Brad media training. We went four years because he's worth four years. That's reason. No, we went four years because we had to. Real strong, tough, six foot four hockey man.

Let's.

I don't know if $8 million of Trueba doesn't work for. In Detroit or for New York because you're playing him in your bottom pairing. Like, I don't understand how $8 million in Detroit's going to work for them.

Right?

Why would you pay for that?

I agree with that. Just seems that they may have a different opinion.

I do want to throw one thing out there with Detroit, and why would Jack Campbell sign to be the fourth goalie in Detroit? His career needs to slow down. He needs a reset. And Detroit plays in Detroit, Michigan. The Grand Rapids Griffins play in Grand Rapids, Michigan, near Detroit. Jack Campbell is from Port Huron, Michigan. So he's going closer to home and hopefully has a good season. And then we take it from there.

And I think for him, and this is not, no offense to Jack Campbell, who I loved when he was a leaf. I don't think that he'll ever like. He is a. He is a absolute lock to pass through waivers. Nobody is taking Jack Campbell. And that didn't, didn't that already happen? Well, yeah, but what I'm saying is that like, like if you've got Lyon and you've got Husso or, sorry, you got lion and you got Cam Talbot, I'm assuming who so is on the move, maybe who so goes to the Rangers.

There's a lot of moving parts that aren't moving in.

Yeah, true. I just feel like.

Who's those? Not going to the range.

I just feel like, I feel like there's, I feel like with Campbell, it's like that's a sure bet. If you're Detroit for goaltending depth, you're going to go to Grand Rapids. You're going to try to figure this out. You got a year to figure it out. And, and again, like, it wasn't supposed to be an insult. It's just like, no one's touching them, so it's an easy one for Detroit. Adam, my loser is the Pittsburgh Penguins. I don't know what. And, and by the way, they were my baby loser last year. That my number one loser. Pittsburgh Penguins with that graves and Jari extension. Oh, boy. Do I look like a genius.

Now that's a free square on the bingo card.

I. But I, but you know, what are you.

I have no idea what they are exactly.

So. No, they got done over the last couple of days. They got Kevin Hayes in a second. Cool. They got Matt Grizzlik today for two and a half.

Oh.

They traded Riley Smith to the New York Rangers for a second and a fifth.

I won't lie to you. That's a victory. I can't believe they got that.

They had to retain, though. Oh, well, yeah. So Riley. Riley Smith at 5.5. I think the Rangers will only pay him three or three and a half, something like that.

Okay.

Bevilier was, this is the most dubious guy. Anthony Cardio, merchant, Baviliere. Nothing against him personally, but like, how many teams do you need to go to before we realize. Yeah, like two cases.

A lot of stickers.

Vancouver, who was he, who was he with before Vancouver Islanders? He was an islander.

He was an islander. Then he was a Canuck, then he was a predator.

No, Black Hawk.

And Hawk. And then.

Oh, my God, isn't that great? Last year this, this guy, Mike Sillinger, objects in your mirror are closer than they appear. Yeah, here he comes.

Yeah, he's the new, or Andrew Burnett who was also on a lot of teams. Blake Lazotte was a guy that dubious, spoke very highly of in the, in his press conference today. And I want to go through some of dubious quotes because I think this speaks to me of a clear issue with direction between Fenway Sports and Kyle Dubas. I think that Kyle Dubas was brought in under the circumstances that we're going to try it one more time with Crosby, Malkin, Latang. If we can't get it done, we'll make some moves. Interestingly, over the weekend, the guy that hired was a big part of hiring Kyle Dubas. And it's crazy because when Kyle Dubas's contract expired on June 30, the guy flew in, met him and gave him $50 million right there on the spot and goodbye. No liar. I don't believe that at all. They had that deal worked out and that's fine. And tampering is real and who cares? I the point is that the guy that hired Dubas has now left and whether or not he wanted to go or not. I'm curious about what Fenway sports and entertainment are attempting to do here.

Duba said. They want to keep their cap space open in case opportunities come through the summer, meaning when the music stops, how many players are going to sign value deals? Lee fans that must sound familiar, he said. We have approval on budget from ownership to go to that point that we can use the space either to acquire good young players or acquire space to acquire, use that space to acquire more assets. Unless someone really young shakes loose. Lazot is the only player we've done more than a year on today, so I think we need to, it would need to be somebody impactful and young shaking loose for us to go longer term. And he said on the on ice direction, they're not looking to squeak into the playoffs, but they want to become a contender as quickly as possible, he said. It's not a strip down to the stud situation here. It's a try to use every method we can to acquire future assets. And those assets, he said, can come through the draft. Younger free agents via trade, via waivers. They can come in and support the core here. We're not going to get into free agent quick fixes like some of the long range deals they did today.

And the reason they're not is because they can't. They did that last year. Tristan Jari, five year extension Ryan Graves. Was that eight, seven or eight years? Six, six years.

Still too long.

But that was, those were bad deals the day they were signed, and crazy. They didn't work. I was, I was pro Riley Smith, that didn't work either.

Yeah, well, here, let's, let's try to look at it this way. Like they got no picks. They got no picks. It's brutal. So they got, so today, yeah, it's, it's bad. Today they get two picks for Riley Smith, a second and a fifth. Good. They get a second round pick along with Kevin Hayes, I believe, retained. And if he has a good enough season with Pittsburgh, guess what? You get to trade him again.

Yeah, but they're a contender, Steve. They want to be a contender, Steve.

Yeah. You could tell the microphone that he thinks the Penguin did today. Oh, yeah. Oh, here comes number four. I don't think so, Mandev. I don't think so.

And I look at this, and I think, you know, I don't know how much of this is at any one person. Right. But I do question what the intention here is. If you want to build around Sid, you can retool a team quickly, but it can't be Sid and Gino and Chris. Let.

I mean, it's on Sid, like, dude, time's up.

Sure. Okay.

Time's up. If you're gonna stay here forever, which a lot of people think would be the best thing for you to do, all right, you've won your last cup.

Well, what about the Washington Capitals and what they've been able to pull off? If we talked a week ago, I would have put the Capitals and the Penguins in the same category. Now, I had the Capitals as my winner. The penguins is my loser. They have done nothing. And they're like, we're not sure what's next. And the other thing is Dubas going on the microphone and saying legitimately that. That he thinks that Tristan Jari and Alex Nadalkovich soaking up eight and a half million dollars of their cap is doable next year. You're out of your mind. And I know he. Listen, that islanders game, make no mistake, and I've heard this from people who actually know this, that Islanders game that Jari blew. Blew a hole in his credibility in that organization. They are not happy with him. They don't trust him. So this is a guy they desperately want to move on from. And again, who signed that deal.

I got to say what's going on there? Because I had heard the same thing with Matt Murray. And the Penguins have an issue of losing with goaltenders that you previously won with. You know what? Lately.

Yeah.

I mean, yeah.

Yeah.

It's like.

It's like they're great. They're great. Oh, they fell off a cliff. How Murray was. Injuries, I think.

Yeah. And obviously, you know, that made him not as good anymore. But this is two in a row. This is two in a. And the sol. Then the solution is Nandelkovich.

Well, he had a good year, and he's making three.

Okay. Have back to back what's going to.

Be an unrestricted free agent.

I think that's.

Well, then, yeah. You know, you're kind of stuck, right? Yeah.

They could get great goaltending all year.

They got like, Jerry was bad. Listen, the. The blues got. Got great goaltending from binner and then didn't, and then got good goaltending from Jesse's favorite goalie, Billy Husso, and then said, we can't resign you because we have Bennington. So we're going to go with Bennington.

I think part of the reason we spend so much time talking about the penguins, it's like, dude, you're screwing up the end of legendary NHL careers.

And to say that it isn't possible to build around this is a fallacy because the Capitals just did it. It's just that you have to be willing to take risks. And the Capitals, this may blow up in their face, but at least they tried. What I'm asking the penguins to do, attempt to take a risk.

Hey, if you do tear it down, you might do pretty well, dude. Carlson, Latang, Malcolm, Crosby.

Yep.

But they want to stay.

Absolutely.

They want to stay.

So now here's the thing, baby losers. Do you have any, like, baby ones?

The La Kings?

Oh, I like that.

Yeah. I think they're moving sideways. And I don't trust Rob Blake. Like, he. I don't think he's been a good gm for the last couple of years. And they're my baby loser.

Um. Baby loser. Jets.

Jets.

Um, just because they were so good. And what did they do? Well, then lose guys.

It's a tough day for the jets. Usually.

Right.

July 1 it is.

They brought in Eric Comri and who else did they get?

That's it.

I believe they didn't get. Did I see they got Kakkanin or who. Where did Kakkon.

Unless they got something last time I checked, but I think the comrade deal is the only one made today.

Day like.

That's. That's it. That's.

Yeah. I'll triple check for you.

Guy you used to have in a moment.

Yeah, yeah. And Monahan, obviously, to go to Columbus.

Packing in and comry, you got two goals. Yeah.

But behind Connor Helova. Yeah.

You got a second and a third behind, like one of the best goalies in the world. Like what? Okay, there's nothing there.

They, uh, you know, they did the Dylan DeMelo deal. Resigning him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was a couple. That was like a couple of days ago.

And they lost Brendan Dillon today.

Yeah.

Oh, you know, to New Jersey.

And that's crazy. From Winnipeg.

I want to say this quickly. I've got two, but I'll. The one. The one of them I'm bringing up because we're segwaying into it next. Carolina hurricanes are a baby loser for me. There's a mass exodus in Carolina. Marty nature might be stuck there because he might be the only one left. I, Sean Walker did sign long term, five years, 3.5 million per. I know that. My understanding is that Sean Walker was expecting to be in the $5 million range. So surprising that he signs for that. But good for him. He gets the, he gets money, gets security, low tax state.

I honestly think Carolina reached their ceiling last playoffs when against, in that series versus New York. I don't know if they could play any better. And it's just if it's ever going to be good enough with that core. So they needed a big shake up this offseason. A lot of guys just are out.

The door and I think, jesse, that's a really key point. Sometimes you do reach the pinnacle of what you are and then everybody goes. And Jake Gensell, from all accounts, they said, we'll match any deal you get. We want you to be here. And he said, no, I'd really like to go to Tampa and replace Stevens damn coast there. And that brings me to our second free agency loser, and that is the, the Tampa Bay Lightning. Not necessarily because of what they did, but because how it was handled.

Yeah.

And I'm gonna read. Oh, sorry, did you guys want to say. No, I want to read this. Nate Thompson, who is his teammate in Tampa for five seasons, the Lightning will have this stain on their organization forever, successful or not, next season. It's a huge mistake. Lost a captain and one that still produces 40 goals, by the way. That's all on the surface. Not even mentioning his off ice impact, which is bigger. Smashville is laughing now. Now, I understand Nate Thompson, likely good friends with Steven Stamkos. I get that there's a bit of a biased point of view and you have to be cutthroat and whatever, but I think from day one at training camp last year, gentlemen, and this is why I want to get into the Lightning as a whole. Day one, Stanford walks in and goes, they didn't call me all summer to not even have a phone call and say, hey, just so you know, we are not going to offer you an extension this summer. We need to evaluate the team, that kind of communication with the franchise's first ever first overall pick, captain Stanley cup, two time Stanley cup winner, three times Stanley cup appearances.

Yep.

I mean, kid, let me, let me just correct you before you keep saying it. This was from Carl seed on Twitter. Please tell Adam Stamkos is not our first ever pick. Then he's the third. Roman Hammerlick in 1990 and Vincent La Cavalier in 1990. Damn.

So I thought Vinnie was two.

Sorry, that's not true.

Okay, well, Roman Hamilton. Roman Hamlet. Really good. Calgary as well. Let's just put.

Yes. Counterargument to what Nate Thompson said about them wearing this stain forever. Martin St. Louis leaves unceremoniously because he.

Wasn'T picked for the Olympic team.

Yeah, and then. And then I'll show you. Goes to New York and they go straight to the Stanley cup final. What happened after that? Tampa Stanley cup final in 2015. Tampa conference final in 2018. Tampa president's trophy 2019. Don't ask what happened after that. Tampa Stanley cup winner, 2020. Tampa Stanley cup winner, 2021. Tampa Stanley Cup Final 2022.

And a couple of first and outs.

So. Oh, they're going to wear the stain forever. And they took that and they went and they smudged that thing right off. You got to make the right decision for your organization, and no one gives a damn.

Did they make the right decision, though, in bringing back all of Ryan McDonough salary? Because you could have had surgachev and you could have had stamco. Stamko is the apparent. The offer for Stamcoast was apparently eight times three, which is roughly 24 million, which is the. Which is about 8 million less than what he signed for overall in Nashville. If you go eight times four, there's the 30, the 32 million that Stam coast is looking for. Okay, so they could have done that and they could have had surgachev still.

Yep. Now you're asking the right questions.

So that's where for me and you guys were talking about Jake Kensel, and we were talking a little bit about this morning. Steve, you think that he may not be or you think he is a great replacement for Stammer?

I originally. I originally said he was an upgrade, and then I found out Samko scored 40. I didn't real. It's funny. The reason I didn't think Samko scored 40 is the way the lightning treated him. I was like, no, there's no way. And then you find out he's as good offensively as he's ever been. You know, go watch some defensive tape. It's not quite as good.

Is Jake Kensel. Maybe he's not as talented as Steven Stamkos was at his peak. He's talented in different ways, but he's talented in different ways. And he's younger.

He's five years younger. It's significant, man. It's significant. He like, listen, Nashville had a great day.

Oh, they had a great day.

Marches going to be old at the end of that. Stamkos is going to be old at the end of that. And then who was.

So is O'Reilly. So we shen, so it, they're a win now team now.

Well, it's interesting because they do have some really young pieces who will be roughly prime when those guys are old. So it might work out for them. And they have two first round picks. That helps, too. Tampa doesn't really want to have to deal with that. Tampa doesn't look, I think, at the sun rising and setting. I think they just want to always be competitive and always make the right choice. And, you know, I don't care if he scored 40 goals. Signing a 34 year old to four years is not a great choice. To $8 million per. You know, you can, you can go. Well, what about Tanf? What about Tanf? I didn't say it was awesome. He's getting six years, but he's also getting a little more than half of what Stamko says. Right. It's not the same.

Right.

It's a lot of money.

I think all great dynasties aren't sustained forever. And to me, it's, Tampa's on the back half of it right now. And I look at Julian Breeze was moves during the season because there's, there's some evidence to say, like, okay, usually Tampa, they go out and get a guy and we're like, what are they doing? And then it doesn't work out. But they went out and got guys this deadline and they didn't work out in the months that followed. In the playoffs, they went, they got Anthony Duclair and they got Matt Dumbo. And they give up a third and a fifth for those two gentlemen. And, and they lost to Florida. Like that was their fate. And then you go and you make the Ryan McDonough trade where you're taking on the $6.75 million and you, because of that, you give up the second round pick. Plus you lose Lou Surgachev. And I know in that deal you get a second round pick back, but it just, to me, feels like they haven't gotten any better. And it's not like they're going back to their heyday or anything like that. I don't know.

Wait, I just thought of a loser.

What?

Us? If you don't click like on this.

Oh, true.

Good one.

By the way, Cassie says if, if you get a thousand likes on this video, she'll drop 20 subs 20 subs on it. By the way, Wes kill said, hey, Adam, can you give your expert opinion on Stamcoast and the Tampa divorce? Well, I think we just did. As a divorce. As a divorce expert.

Here's the difference. He's not going to lose his.

That was an ugly one. I thought there'd be a little bit more grace with Stephen Stamp. Goes. Exactly.

It is. It was. It was an ugly way to go.

It didn't feel like there was a lot of grace there.

Uh, yeah, but this doctor prescribes a healthy dose of time. Uh, fine.

Cassie wanted to know earlier. Pens, free agents. Uh, genuinely, who are these people? Who are they?

Uh, obviously it's not bad. No, he's a good. I like Blake.

He's a guy.

Yeah. This guy, though, he's good and he's.

Younger and he fits that for them. Right?

He's a guy. I'm frankly surprised. Uh, he's a free agent.

Right. Right. SDPN. You guys are the reason I'm a leaf fan. The Kraken.

Sorry.

Have refuted Emily Kaplan story about hacks. Doll Everly did a radio interview refuting it and so did McCann. That doesn't mean. And I have to tell you, Zoe, that doesn't mean it's not true.

You know what I hate? Yeah? Is when people go, well, that's that then.

Yeah. And no, I don't mind. There could be other. There are very likely other guys who were quite important on the team. I trust Emily's reporting.

Yes.

She's not gonna report something like that unless she really knows. And that story has not been retracted.

Yeah. If she retracts it all. Retract our defense. Yeah, I don't think that's that.

I think what's clear is that Everly and McCann didn't mind him, somebody else didn't.

Or they're live.

Liking the video.

Hudson Mark Hall, US Rangers fan trying to figure out what Drury when Drew he was going to wake up. Jesse, how do you feel about the Rangers right now?

They clearly need some other jolt to the entire lineup like you need. They need some extra step to get them past the team like Florida because they, they're in contention for one of the best teams in the National Hockey League, but they're one little rung below. You know, they're clearly just couldn't get past four. And they need that extra little thing. And I don't know what it, what it's going to be. Chris Jury has a lot of time because it's not a big move like signing stamcos or trading for Genzel or anything like we just talked about, like teams did on July 1 or leading into this. It's something. It's tinkering around the edges. And Truba could be that move. I don't know what it's going to be, but there's plenty of guys out there still that they can get.

How about this? What if Chris Drury is learning he got rid of Barkley Goodrow on waivers. Barkley Goodrow was a July 1. Like a free agency signing? I don't know. Yeah, it was actually July 1. He's trying to get rid of Jacob Truba. That was a free agent signing. Artemi Panarin worked out pretty well. The most efficient and cost effective way to get a player is through the draft. The second best is through a decent, logical trade. The least efficient way possible is free agents.

You will always overpay.

Yes. So maybe he's learned to and he.

Has money that needs to go to Schneider and Lindgren. Right. So, like he can't just waste cap space because those two defensemen need money.

Schneider and Lindgren, who start you drafted.

Start putting your questions in for the press conference now. I'm just going to get through some of these supers.

He traded for Lindgren.

Lee shoe sign Nylander. Alex Nylander for the vibes. That's from Cassie.

No, that's not going to happen. I think it's a fun idea at best. He's playing for the Marley.

Justin Silverman. I don't understand. Julian Breeze. Why? Why are you getting older on defense? And then. And then you let go of the face of the Lightning. I hate it.

Everyone's disrespecting JJ Moser in that equation.

Yeah, JJ Moser is a good player. I just think he hasn't made his name yet.

No, but you have a left side now of headman. McDonough Moser. I don't think the sky is falling.

No. I still would have been better with Sergey chap, though. Yeah, I think. Is that fair?

But, like the goal isn't to just be the same as to win a Stanley.

Yep.

And I don't think the Lightning are Stanley are the top five for Stanley cup right now.

Morgan Geeky. Morgan or Connor? I can't.

Morgan. Morgan. Connor's on Boston.

Big part of that deal, though.

Robert Bett. Do you guys think the signings on defense will mean that they move Timmons or Lilligran?

Well, I doubt it's Lillegren.

Do you think Timmons is gone? Gone?

Yeah. There's no reason to play him in this lineup.

Like, they always seem to find a reason.

What, you know what I'm disappointed with is we didn't get breaking news during the show because I'm willing to bet the depth guys, you know, trellising made it sound like multiple. I think it's gonna be one forward, 1d, another d. Yeah.

Defense, man.

You're gonna. You need depth, guys. Like a Laguson type. What about, like, what Benoit was?

What about twelve?

What about 19? The point is, though, a guy who's not gonna be in your lineup every day, or, like, even the next guy up, like Timmons is, can't be making 1.1 mil. So, you know, get a guy better suited for that position because he ain't it.

Okay, so are we. Should we just bop into the press conference here? Yeah.

No, no, here. Hold on.

Fire that. Fire that. Wait.

Ready?

It's live.

Steve Dangle, press conference.

We're going to burn through these real quick. Okay, JF Blanchard wants to know, how do you guys feel about the core of Montreal with the slap extension?

There's a whole video on it.

Yeah, there is.

Thumbs up, though. Really good.

Yeah, really good.

So I don't think we could have been higher on a ten out of ten.

If you don't agree with us, look at the back half of Slavkowski season.

To add to something that I just said about the Winnipeg jets, they did get another guy. Elliot Friedman, Colin Miller. Two times 1.5.

Okay.

In Winnipeg, is Jeff Skinner in the hopper for the Leafs or Oilers bound? What are your thoughts? I think it makes more sense for him to go and try to win a cup with Connor McDavid, but it also makes a lot of lifestyle sense to not sell his house in Buffalo and just move 2 hours up the road.

Yeah. Like, it means he's going to have to go to Edmonton, so. Okay, I don't mean this disrespectfully. The Oilers love a guy who was just bought out or had his contract terminated.

They love Dallas. Are big buyers.

Oh, my God. It's their favorite thing. Corey Perry, Evander Kane. And now add Jeff Skinner to that trifecta. Connor McDavid has a little bit of the, like, LeBron, I'm the GM thing going on and, hey, Connor, I know you just suffered the most traumatic loss of your life in hockey. You lost game seven of the Stanley cup final. Our solution to help you out, we're going to help you out, buddy, is we're going to go out and get a guy who has played over a thousand games in the NHL without playing a single game in the Stanley cup playoffs. What do you think? I don't think he's going to love it.

Okay.

And Leaf fans, like, I think the.

Leafs are selling, are selling Skitter on being here.

I think they're trying it. I just keep seeing people saying like, ah, if they can get him on something like league men, that's going to be great. I'm like, okay, nine was too much.

He had 24 goals last.

You're on drugs. Like, if he signs league men, it's literally out of the kindness of his heart. Yeah, there's no reason for him to do that. Yeah, I think he could still get like two or three.

This is. This is looking way too far ahead, guys, but JPIx 94. What expiring goalies will the Leafs be potentially looking at at the trade deadline if this goes south? I think that's impossible to know.

No, it's not. I don't. I have enough faith in it that.

That'S not actually really like their plan. I'm not. I'm not worried about it.

If everyone gets hurt, go with the kids.

And also, that's every team. If everyone gets hurt, you'll run into problems.

Yeah. Oh.

Show me a team that your first two goalies go down and you're. You're okay.

Why weren't they in a position to succeed with their ECHL backup?

Yeah, exactly. You know? Okay, Jesse, I'm gonna ask you this one from fact sakes. Who gets the cup first, Habs or tio?

Can I pick? Neither.

Okay.

Montreal, here's my answer.

Toronto. If the Habs get asked the Habs.

There you go.

Toronto is the correct answer.

When the cap does go up, what is league, man? I believe it's going to be about 1.54 or 1.425. Not league. Not. That's bearable. Bearable. I believe it's 800 something. Whatever. Whatever. Matt Murray signed for 875. Something like that.

Yeah. In the neighborhood of 800. 5900 thousand. Somewhere in there.

Thoughts on Robertson being told no to trade? I mean, we said it a little early in the video, so we won't spend too much time on it. The Leafs.

He has.

He has no. He has no flexibility, no parts.

I think he's going to be a good player in this league. But in terms of resume, who the hell are you?

Yeah, it's.

It's not gonna happen.

Speedy V wants to say the league minimum is 775.

Oh, Speedy v. Hit me. Hit me.

Costco gravy. Except top tier gravy. Cassie gifted ten memberships and then did another super chat for the gravy. Benjamin Patterson says, I think the Benny's gravy is better. I don't know, Benny. We haven't tried it can't really be making spurious. Well, it's his own. I don't know, buddy.

Yeah.

Jared Brucell says, I think Detroit is doing youth movement. I don't think so. I think they're getting old movement.

Nope. I think it's Stevie. I know. Wait, what was it? Improviser.

Somebody said in the chat that the I, the, the Shannon plan is still worse than the iser plan. And no, it isn't.

Plan made the playoffs yet.

Jeremy Gross. Jeremy Gross dropped us a $50 $50 chat just to say thanks.

Ross at 895 likes. Yeah, we're so close to that garbage there. There are 4000 people watching and we haven't hit a thousand likes yet. That's disrespectful.

It's 2024, like AI strong. You think I can't come through that screen? There's a greater than 0% chance you don't click friggin like, oh my God. You wait till your father gets home.

J. Devils fan, quick question. I love Steve saying of having a cup of coffee with team. What's the game range for that? How many games is too much?

Oh, that's a lovely question. I really like that. Cup of coffee. Cup of coffee.

I think it's five. Five and under.

Under 20 or 25.

Okay. Really? That much?

25. Okay, that's the cutoff.

Michael, who is super down on the Leafs in our draft stream on Friday night.

Oh my God.

Is so down on them that. So here's the deal. Still Michael offered. He said he's convinced he's a Leaf fan, and he's convinced the Leafs are not going to make the playoffs. And so if they do make the playoffs, he said he'll donate $1,000 to a charity of our choice, which like.

Just make out the check.

Now, now, gentlemen, Michael has said today that he is upping his offer because he's so disappointed in what true living's done. He'd like to make it 15.

Like, are you just a philanthropist or what? And like, you need an excuse or like, it's.

Michael thinks they won't make the playoff.

And he's willing to put 1500 bucks down on a charity for it.

1500?

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Yeah, I think so too.

No, no, bet. Like bets on like, let's do it. Also, we hit a thousand likes.

Bullying works.

Carolina, according to Bob Smith, will be fine. They're making a youth push. I'm sure they'll be fine eventually.

They do have guys. What's his name? Scott.

Yeah. Opinionated. Says. I think people need to talk about the fact that the central division has seven teams trying to make the playoffs. Well, I'm going to blow this one out of the water for you. Each division has eight teams trying to make the playoffs.

I don't know.

Crazy.

No one looks like they're stinking on purpose.

No, actually, it's true. It is true. There are. There aren't any blackhawks. Anaheim did not make a move today. And they're Anaheim under the cap.

Anaheim's trying to think.

Yeah, they are trying to think.

They're not even building a roster that qualifies to play.

Oh, I was just being. I was just being a saucy boy.

Yeah.

Mitch Marner, J devils fan, $5. Just a tip for mad dog for being amazing.

Cassie gifted the 20 subs for the one day.

Thank you, Alan. Frase. Can someone with a no movement clause be bought out? No, they cannot.

Are you sure?

Yep. No movement. I believe they cannot.

They can't be sent down.

Yeah, I don't know if you're right about that.

Oh, they can be bought out. They can't be sent down. They can't be traded.

So then there is movement in the no movement class.

No, because technically you don't have to go anywhere. You can just retire.

Oh, I guess. Tip for Robert for doing a great job from J Devils fan guys. Jesse, Steve. Milk duds, yay or nay from. I'm Patty.

Jack. That's chocolate, right?

Yeah.

Didn't. Yes.

Jesse, milk duds, yay or nay?

Milk duds. Yes. I'm looking up the no movement clause. That's our.

That's fine. Shane rules Canuck signed Myers day rna and forward for 6 million a year total. Yeah. Got two. Former got one. Myers got three. Should they have just kept Zador off? Yes. Oh.

I don't love day her name getting to.

I think they got bound up a little bit there, but heronic, I felt like. I think they felt like they couldn't do Quinn Hughes at whatever his number, hironic at his number, and Zidorov at that number. But they probably should have.

I mean, I don't want to do this comparison, but watch me do it anyway. Haakon Pa has a way better NHL resume than Vinny Deharneg. Just throwing it out.

Yep. Danielle? Me? The ducks are asleep today. Or are they just planning something? I don't think they're planning much. I think they're looking for cap dumps. And I would look at teams trying to get out from under and they're probably going to weaponize that cap to get draft picks sent their way. The Sabers didn't replace Skinner from side of fries. What's next for Buffalo? Kevin Adams said today that not a lot is next for Buffalo, that they're happy with what they have. And you called them one of the free agent losers.

Did I? I think that was Jesse.

Oh, it was Jesse. Okay. Who?

I agree with him.

No, I didn't. LA and the other guy.

Well, they're losers.

Okay. They didn't do much today.

No. They also did a lot of their business last year. Like, I think the season is going to start and we're going to be like, oh, they have Darlene and Owen Power and Bowen Byram.

And when the hell did that happen?

Healthy, healthy. Tage Thompson is going to be big for them. Devin Levi being. Yeah. But again, they didn't add a whole hell of a lot. I wonder if there's a fresh start trade where Z griss goes there. But I don't know.

A lot of people asking Ty Smith and Cassie saying, hey, you guys want more likes? Maybe Steve should pay up for that pie to the face.

Yeah, we got to do that on our episode before the summer end. Yeah, we will do that.

Um, before the cleaning crew.

Doug Lee fan. I love this question. This is such a leaf fan question. Tavares for cadre.

No, Wood.

No, let me do wood.

By the way, I just want to remind people. NASM cadres 34.

It hurts my heart. He's the same age as John.

Yeah, John.

John. First name basis now.

Silent Rob wanted to know about your. Your thoughts on the extension for sorrows. I think you already gave them, but at some point on some video. Good. It's a good thing. Seven. No, but the 7.74 because he's got his number in it.

Oh, bad.

Andrew Doucette. Which was a better signing? Big Z or hockin Pa and Big Z. Not B. He's a Doroth has been asked, has asked the Boston media not to call him Big Z because that was a Dano his name. So he apparently general saw this is gonna be his new name because it's a superman reference anyway.

What about medium Z?

Big Z or Haakon puck.

I wish he stayed in Vancouver. Then he could have been big Zed. Clever. You should laugh harder at that if you're at home. Hawkinpah. Hawkinpaw is a better player.

Okay, is the Tanf deal the most obvious attempt at cap circumvention we have? This is from Adam Nicolero. Vegas and Tampa utilize it with players in their prime and already signed while Toronto is signing Ufa with clear intent. Well, here's the problem with that is you actually have to go in. I saw the Frank Ceravali tweet yesterday. I think we all did. You have to go in with, if you're the NHL irrefutable proof that that was the goal and you can speculate all you want, but unless there's something written down where Bradshaw living goes, he will not play years four and five of this and we are circumventing the cap in in writing, then you have no irrefutable proof. And by the way, the NHL doesn't want to bother care. The NHLPA doesn't care. The player gets paid like nobody. Everybody wins here if we all just look the other way.

We've already established that even if there was proof, it doesn't matter. Yes, there's proof that Colin Campbell tried to ruin the reputation of a ref who tried to call penalties against his son. And also he held a grudge from when he was a coach against a player. And the theory is it may have affected the decision as to whether or not the player who was the offender got suspended and he was caught red handed in emails and the NHL went up and he was awarded with a trip to the Hockey hall of Fame. So I tell you what, even if there is proof, go leafs, go.

Do you think that Lilligran signed to 3 million makes him more attractive as a trade piece from Robert? No. You don't think so?

No. Infinitely less attractive.

Okay.

Made 1.4 as a not everyday player and now he makes three as a hopefully everyday player.

Kylia says, drew, why does SDP and hate the abs? No druid talk. We're happy for Jonathan.

Oh no.

Did Alan Walsh?

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. We didn't make any videos today. You're right, man.

Here's the thing. The apps can't do anything. And Tim F. Asks about this. What can the abs do with literally no cap space? What? They did nothing. They can't do anything. They're going to have to wait.

Extended them.

Yeah, but they've got ltir guys that may or may not come back and that's frozen them. What are you gonna do?

They do need to figure some things out.

Yeah. So.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anyway. JPIx 94 grippers at two k. I'm not two k likes.

I'm not doing it.

You won't.

You won't put about this hour stream is now an hour 41 deep, and I gotta pee.

Okay. All right, fine. Hey, so this. This is our podcast for Monday. We will be back Wednesday and Friday this week.

Do we have anything to talk about?

Oh, we're going to have some stuff to talk about.

Oh.

Jeff Skinner playing with Austin Matthews and Mitch Marner. Get ready.

Oh, I was talking about the depressing stuff, but, yeah, hopefully we're talking about the news.

Jeff Skinner, the news dump stuff. Yeah, we'll get to that next episode.

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Sorry. Thank you, Drew.

She's just, like, famous now, right?

She's made 80 grand off of that.

Good for her.