Welcome to Nailing the Apex, Adam Wild. Tim Horeini. Tim, just back from the desert this weekend, looking all tanned, and he's got that nice base. You got that nice tanned base.

Tanned or red, Adam?

Listen, Tim, you can qualify it any way you want to. I'll just call it tanned, my friend. All tanned and ready for Miami. You don't even have to get spray tanned for Miami, sir. You're ready to go.

Can you see me go into a spray tan?

Yeah.

I wouldn't even know what to do. Dude, I wouldn't know what to do.

I did it one time, and it's weird because you got to strip down your undies. Then somebody that you don't know is like, Okay, I'm going to spray your entire body with this stuff. Then you got to stand there awkwardly for about 10 minutes. My wife encouraged me to do it a couple of years ago, and so I did it. I was like, This is weird.

My aunts did that once, and they came out looking orange.

Oh, yeah. You got to go to the right person because apparently, you can turn orange. And if you shower too quickly, it'll run down your face, and you'll be stuck with marks for a few days.

Dude, I don't get it. So you're in your boxers and they're hosing you down. Yeah. Well, what about underneath the boxers? Do you get your butt cracked down and stuff? No.

I mean, you can. You can't. I know people do. Where I'm not going to be the kind. I'm not the kind that's in a thong out on the beach. If you are showing some cheek, it makes sense, right? If you're dropping cheek on the people, you don't want to blot out the sun with that You don't want it to be this crazy, bright, crystal skull thing. But if you're wearing shorts like me, then you're probably okay to just do the boxer briefs and call it a day.

So people came here for F1 and they got spray-tanned.

Listen, if you need spray-tanned advice, I am your guy. Okay? I've been there. I've done that. I may not have raced the car, but I've done a spray-tanned. So same thing.

I'll tell people the desert was fun. We were there Where were you? We were in Vegas, but we went out to, I believe it was called Red Rock Canyon. It's beautiful out there, by the way. Beautiful for Jasmine, so my girlfriend's cousin's wedding. So it was there. Super nice. Setting was beautiful. Didn't really get after it, Adam. Didn't drink. Did the Irish exit at 10:00. It was a good boy. We didn't tear up Vegas. We went to the Sphere one day. How is that? How is that, man? How is that? It was cool. When you first fly in... So I saw it back in November when I went for the Vegas Grand Prix to work the event. And when you first fly into Las Vegas, you see this thing and you're like, That's not real. You're like, Am I hallucinating? Did I take some drugs on the plane here or something? You're trying to think what you're looking at if that's real. But I can tell you what, it is definitely real. The inside of the sphere is really cool. Getting to your seats is awesome. We were set up in the 400 level, so it feels like you're falling off the side of a building because it's so steep.

And the movie was okay. It wasn't great. It was like postcards from Earth or whatever. And they had a couple of glitches in the screen. I think they had a problem with the screen when we were there.

So you didn't get the full immersive perspective.

Yeah, because it brings you out of it when you get a glitch in the screen. And so we had a couple of those throughout it. So it brings you out of the moment. But it is pretty cool. It's worth checking out. I was actually talking to my partner about this when you guys were arguing about it on the SDP.

Oh, really?

When you guys were arguing about, I think it was- National. I want to see you, too. Yeah. No, it was before that. I was like, what was a bigger achievement? Like the pyramids or the sphere?

Oh, yeah. And Jessie's argument was it was the sphere. We've surpassed the pyramids. And I didn't like it.

Jasmine and I were like, my girlfriend and I were talking about that while we were in there. I'm like, the guys were arguing, like whether or not this is more impressive than pyramids.

And Jasmine's like, who are you working with and why?

Yeah, exactly. Pretty much. Is that the person you're yelling to at your computer twice a week? Yeah.

Well, listen, Tim, we had a great last episode with Gunther Steiner. He's a fantastic interview always, which is why it's going to be so spectacular that he's made his transition into media, at least for now. But one of the things that he said on the show that really took off was the fact that Nico Hulkenberg going to Audi was the worst kept secret on the grid. Sure enough, the next morning, Haas and Nico put out statements saying Nico Hulkenberg is joining Audi, and then Nico himself put out a really nice post and thank Gunther directly, which I thought was really cool to give him a chance to get him back into Formula One. And obviously, they're going to finish the season out with Haas. But Nico Halkenberg has come back and been a real factor for them. He's been great. Interesting timing on all that.

Yeah, pretty interesting, Adam.

But I think, obviously, this has probably been in the works for a while. Really important for Audi to get a German driver in there. But I I think people are focusing on that a little too much. Yeah, you want a German driver, that's great. But had Mick Schumacher been a factor in Formula One, Mick Schumacher would be in that spot, right? Because the name and whatever. Nico Halkenberg is there, not because he's German, but because he's very good.

Yeah, absolutely. I think he's obviously had a really impressive comeback for the past. Obviously, this being his second year removed from, obviously, Formula One coming back. This is his second year in F1 since then. He's been extremely impressive. To see what he's doing compared to what Kevin Magnuson is doing. Kevin is like no slouch either. He's a really good race car driver, but he has been blowing the doors off him. It only makes sense. I think the knowledge and the experience that he brings Adam to a team is super important. He's been in Formula One for a really long time. He's been to countless teams. To get him in there, to help them bring this program along, I think it was the right move. I think he is the right driver to have there in this moment. Now, it is a multi-year deal, so I think this goes to about 2027 plus an option is what I'm thinking. That's what they ended up giving him. We knew about this prior to Japan. I remember We're texting you about it and like, Hey, Hulkingberg is going to Salver. So I think we talked about it on the show.

So we talked about it on the show following the Japanese Grand Prix. So it is something that's been in the works for quite a while. I also, Adam, from the German standpoint, I actually think it is important to make sure... You have to remember, Germany has a lot of heritage when it comes to drivers in Formula One. Oh, yes. And obviously with Michael Schumacher. I think it's just so important for F1 to have a German driver in it. I think Nico Hulkenberg is that driver at the moment. Could Mick Schumacher have signed up there? I mean, maybe, but at the end of the day, I just don't think it would have worked. I think this is the right fit, Adam. I really do.

I think my point of bringing up Mick's name is not because I think that he's a Formula One driver, because I actually don't. I know there's a lot of people that would disagree with that, most of them probably German race fans, and I get that. I didn't see enough to see that he could be that. I brought that up because I think people are saying, Oh, well, Nico is going because he's German. And I think I brought it up to say if they just wanted a German driver with a big name, that would be the guy.

That's the brand. I hear you. I just- By the way- Sorry, go ahead. No, no. I just think... No, I just... To round off that thought, it is important to to make sure that, yes, there is a German driver on the grid, but also from the standpoint that he is the right driver for this particular program.

He's steady as she goes. He's worked with teams that need vast improvement. And I Actually, I think he's the guy. The way he's racing right now, if he's on a top team, if you put him in the Red Bull car and he gets it, he figures it out, are his results that much different than a Sergio Perez? I don't know, but it seems like he's racing at a very high level right now, considering the mechanical or the equipment that he has to deal with. And that's not taking away from Haas. There's a have and a have not in F1 right now. The other thing is, Tim, I think that Nico Halkenberg has amongst the most German names I've ever heard. If there's a name that's German, Nico Halkenberg would be second to Gerhard Berger.

It's an awesome name, dude. It's an awesome name.

It's an awesome name, and it is so German. It's so perfect. Great. I love it.

I absolutely love it.

So that makes the silly season part, which has just been going on ever since Andretti was denied entry into Formula One and Lewis Hamilton decides to move to Ferrari. We had no silly season last year, and all we have had is silly season. And the reason we bring this up is because there's two things, and I'm not sure what to start with. I'll start with Carlos signs. Carlos signs has a choice to make. And the choice is, does he go to a team like Red Bull, where Helmut Marco has said, Hey, listen, they made him a really good offer, which means I'm pretty sure Helmut knows what the amount is, how many years? And that probably means that Red Bull made him an offer as well. That's what I think. And you can tell me what you think about that, Tim. It's probably less lucrative, but Red Bull's got a better car, and they will probably have a better car for a while. And so does Carlos take the money and the security, or does he go back to the Red Bull program, something that they booted him out of, and he survived it, and go, Okay, I want to race in the fastest car and trying to win a championship right now?

Don't forget about Mercedes because I think Adam, they also have a role to play in all of this as well. Total Wolf hasn't made his decisions on what he wants do with that second seat at the team. I mean, for Carlos, it's a difficult situation because he wants long term stability, and that is extremely important to him. But now that he's obviously got that taste for winning, and he's not too sure where his peak is. He's not sure if at this moment, is he peaking right now, or is he only going to continue to get better? So if he's only going to continue to get better, it's difficult to take yourself and put yourself in a program like the Saudi Alba program because you know you're going to be further towards the back of the grid for a longer period of time now. I'm not saying that when 2026 rolls around, that Audi isn't going to be good. I mean, they very well could be a very strong team, but are they really going to be pushing up against the likes of Red Bull, Ferrari, Mercedes, potentially Aston Martin, McLaren, when we get to that point of 2026, I I highly doubt it.

For him as a racing driver, your career is obviously... I mean, we've seen a few drivers being able to take their career over 40. That's few and far between. And plus, they have the staying power, and they have Supreme talent. When we look at a driver like Carlos Sainz, who I rate extremely highly, does he want to go to that Salber program, pot around midfield, or would you rather have a chance at trying to score a victory, score a win, maybe compete for a driver's title? I mean, those things are extremely interesting because who's to say that... I mean, whoever maybe Sauber or Audi decide to put in the seat until 2026, let's just say that it's Valtri Batas. And let's say Batas sticks around. They give him 2025 plus an option for 2026. And let's say Carlos goes to Red Bull Racing for the amount of time, and then he makes that swap over. Maybe something like that could possibly happen. But I just wouldn't rule out Mercedes at this point. I think they've got a lot more to do when it comes to figuring out if they want to put Kimi Antenelli in that seat.

I think for Total Wolf, I think he has to understand that if he is going to either put Kimi in that seat, you're going to have a year of pain. It's going to be tough. Or if you're going to put Carlos in that seat, you have that experience, you leave Kimi and Tinelli down in F2 for another year. And then Carlos Sainz doesn't get the long term stability either, right, Adam? So there is a risk that Carlos has to play with all of this, right? It's like musical chairs, right?

And the Mercedes, if there is an offer there for him, how attractive really is it? It's pretty difficult next year to make up the ground for them to be a championship winning car. And then And there's no guarantees for anybody in 2026. I would expect Mercedes to be at the front of the pack in 2026 or in the top three. But as we've seen, they've struggled out of the gate the last three years. They've climbed back into second place, mostly because of Ferrari error. And then now McLaren has surpassed them. So there's no real guarantees. That's what makes Formula One so exciting. But if you're Carlos, it's like, okay, so I could go to Mercedes No guarantees there. We don't know. And also I know that they got a stud driver coming up that they're going to want to put in a seat eventually. Now, he could outrace George Russell, and then they maybe drop George Russell, although that doesn't seem like a realistic scenario. I could go to Audi, I can get my two plus one. Usually, that's for a good drive. I can make a lot of money doing that. I can be the first guy in the team launching a team or a new brand.

That's awesome. Or I can go to Red Bull. But the Red Bull seat for a couple of reasons, may not be as enticing as it once was. The first reason is Max Verstaup is so unbelievably good, and he is a tough guy to be a teammate with, not because he's a bad person, but because he wins all the time, and that can be frustrating.

It's like we had talked about it a few pods ago, where it's like whoever they've put up against Max has never been able to do well and shatters the other driver's confidence. I think Daniel Ricardo is probably the only driver who's been able to really go up against Max and actually push him. Whether or not That Daniel Ricardo of old is still in there. We're still trying to figure that part out. I don't know if Carlos Sainz would want to go to Red Bull and play as a number two driver. Because let's be honest, Sergio So that's what he's doing right now. He is the number two driver at this moment. Max is so far out in front. It's not even funny. And if I'm Carlos Sainz, do I want to go and play a number two? What's in that contract that says that I get everything that the Max is getting and treatment as well? There's just so much to a contract like that. They would have to work out whether or not Carlos wants to do that. I don't think he would, to be honest. It's like- No.

And we haven't mentioned Adrian Dewey. We will in a second. But if you look at Christian Horner's history, he's never, ever treated the drivers the same. He has his favorites. Had Carlos been one of them, he'd still be at Red Bull, right? And people forget just how good Daniel Riccardo was when he was at Red Bull. He was a spectacular driver. And people forget how many mistakes Max made when he was coming up that Red Bull let him get away with because he had such a phenomenal top-end and ability that they just knew it was tantalizing. It was there. It was just waiting to come out. But ask Mark Webber how he feels about the way he was managed at Red Bull. Ask Daniel Kiviat. Ask Alex Albon, Pierre Gasly.

Gasly, yeah, Albon, yeah.

And it's not like, Oh, we'll give you a year to figure it out. It's like, No, figure it out within three races. Otherwise, Helmut Marco is going to start shit-talking you to the media.

That's nick Devries, right?

Yeah. Yuki Sonoda even caught it from Christian a couple of years ago. Remember, he said Max got Yuki Sonoda, and it was a practice or qualifying? This is not That's not an easy program. And I'm not saying that Carlos Sines wants something easy, but Red Bull is so hardcore sometimes. I wonder if it's detrimental to the rest of their team.

I think that's how They have so many good young talents that actually do come through their pipeline at them. It's sink or swim. The amount of pressure you can put on a driver and have them come to the front and be really strong, that shows you that you do really have something and that they can handle the amount of pressure that is put on them. And Max is that driver, right? Max, being at Toro Roso, I remember when I want to say, which year was it? It was either 2016 or 2017. We were coming into the Canadian Grand Prix, and Verstappen had a horrible start to the season. It was awful. He crashed into pretty much everybody on the grid at the point.

He was doing all the things they were accusing Daniel Kivy out of doing.

Yeah, but the media was after him. It was very tenacious. I remember being in the media center, and I can't remember. Someone had asked him, When are you going to stop crashing into everybody? It was something along the lines. I'm paraphrasing, obviously. He was just like, I'm getting sick of these questions. The next person to ask me something like this, I'm going to knock them out. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, You know what? But at the end of that, that is Max, right? That's him being him. I think at the end of the day, he knew how to deal with that pressure because he had gotten it for a lot of his career. And that's how he was... And now we're seeing just how great he is, right? The much pressure you put him under, he's still going to be great. And so there's not many racing drivers who can go through that program, Adam, and really survive. It is a very difficult program. But at the end of the day, they end up getting the best sometimes, right? Like, Sebastian Vettel.

Yeah.

Matches happen. Yeah. But They got eight world champions. They're probably going to have eight. They got seven world championships right there right now. They're probably going to have eight at the end of this season, just between those two drivers.

Over what? 20 years?

Yeah. So what was Vettel? Vettel was 2010 to No, wait. 2009.

No, I just mean in the team's existence, right? When did they switch from Jag to Red Bull?

Was that 2005, 2006? 2005, yeah, 2006. But it was one of those. And then Veto won the Championship. What Was it 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012? Mm-hmm. So that would have been... Sorry, I got that wrong. So it was 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013.

Right. And so to win seven of 18, not bad.

It's pretty good. Incredible, right? Yeah.

Any team would take that. Now, part of the reason that they won those is because some guy switched from McLaren to Red Bull in 2006.

So it's a It's a segue.

Some guy that McLaren... It's funny. Being a McLaren fan is like being a Lee fan because it's like, Oh, you've got such a great illustrious history. You also lost the greatest engineer of all time, and you also lost the greatest driver of all time. You know what I mean? You developed the greatest driver of all time who won most of his championships for another team. You developed one of the greatest engineers of all time who won all their championships or won most of their championships because they won two with Newey, I think. Their championships with another team. Adrian Newey is the guy I'm talking about who left McLaren in 2006 and has been with Red Bull ever since and been developing their program. And what I need to ask you, Tim, is did he, in fact, resign as was reported?

That's what's been reported, Adam. We still haven't gotten firm confirmation from Red Bull Racing, whether or not he's leaving or he is staying. But at the moment, all signs point to the fact that he is leaving Red Bull Racing. This is a guy who's been there since, oh, boy, 2006, I want to say. Yeah, 2006 with Red Bull Racing. And I think for him, a lot of it has to do with the power struggle happening within Red Bull Racing, the Christian corner allegations, everything that stems from that as well. So I don't really think he wants to be a part of it, Adam. It's not the fact that he wants to go somewhere else to try something new. I think it's the fact that he doesn't want to be a part of all of the stuff that's going on at Red Bull Racing behind the scenes right now. And I think For him, he's a competitive figure. So whether or not he decides to retire, which he could. He could just go and retire right now. That's where we're at.

Made his money.

Yep. And go and sail boats or do whatever, drive race cars, whatever he wants to do. I think for him, though, he's such a competitive person that he'll want to go somewhere else to start a different It's a different project. And that project being obviously with Formula One, with these new regulations that are coming on board for 2026, which offers a new challenge. And then it comes down to, okay, well, where could he go, Adam? Where could he go?

Okay, Tim, give me the three top teams, third being the least likely, one being the most likely, if he has, in fact, resigned, because Red Bull said he's got a contract through 2025. In fact, he might have a contract through 2028 with abilities to to end it. Tim, where do you think Newey goes?

Well, if you're going to go from three to one, I would lay it out Mercedes, Aston Martin, Ferrari with- So let's How do you start with Mercedes? When you look at Mercedes and what they've got going on there, you would have to think that Total Wolf would want to try and do whatever he could to try and ride this ship as quick as possible. And then we have a gardening leave that needs to be put in there as well. And we don't really know how long that gardening leave could be. It could be upwards of 2027 before the time he can actually jump in and work. But whoever comes in and gets them, they're going to want to try and figure out a way of shortening that. And so I think that comes down to paying money. I think that comes down to how much are you going to pay Red Bull Racing.

So you buy them from Red Bull.

To Yeah, to shorten up that gardening leave. But for Mercedes to strengthen that technical team that's run by James Allison, you put Adrian Newey at the top of it, and he basically just oversees everything. And just to make sure that things are coming along, looks at the finer details in that regard. Then you got Aston Martin, and I think they're a really interesting fit for him. He's always wanted to work with Fernando Alonso, Adam. Like always. I think they've also got the newest and latest equipment that he would have access to. Because you have to remember this factory that Aston Martin has built is brand new. It's state of the art. I think for him, that would be important. Also, he'd be able to stay at home. He would be able to stay in the UK, he'd be closer to his family, which is important to him. That one is a very... That's an interesting team for me to see him go to. He would be partnered back up with Dan Fallows. Dan Fallows is the guy who's running that operation over there at the moment. Aston Martin is really happy with Dan Fallows. They love Dan Fallows and what he does with the team.

It would essentially be to strengthen that technical department, something similar to what Mercedes has going on, obviously. But Adrian would be the one overseas seeing all of it, right? Then you got Ferrari, and Lewis Hamilton is a driver that Newey has always wanted to work with. Ferrari is this team that is just so stuck in a drought at the moment that they are literally trying to do whatever they can to get out of it. Bringing in Frederick Vasseur was a genius move. Getting him to bring in Lewis Hamilton, genius move. Now you're approaching it like, We need someone with immense talent to oversee our entire operation, and that has to be Adrian Neuilly. And so I think they'll do whatever they got to do to get him. I know Frederick Vasseur has been working behind the scenes pretty hard to also get the number two, the Pierre Vache, who also is a big, big component of that Red Bull racing. We'll talk about him in a minute because that's an important figure there. But if they're able to get Adrian Neuilly at him, for those in the United States and Canada who are listening to us, I look at it like the Miami heat when Brian James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh all came to Miami, and you had the first ever, in a sense, super team in the NBA.

I look at it like that, Adam, because it's like you've got Charles Leclerc, who's your Dwyane Wade. You've got Lewis Hamilton, who's your LeBron James and your Chris Bosh is Adrian Newey, right?

Yeah, I like that. Although- That's how I look at it. A lot of people, the way they look at Adrian Newey is he's LeBron James because he's that important, right? He's so good. Very much So this will all, I'm sure, play out. I wonder if Red Bull is doing what they can to try to keep him right now, because I think a lot of this hinges on a lot of keeping Max Verstoppen has to do with keeping Adrian Newey. And what's been interesting is that Christian Horner and Adrian Newey have been very, very close for 15, 16 years, and apparently that relationship has fractured. And it's due to this investigation. And there's just so much that we don't know, Tim, right? There's so much that's smoke and mirrors, things that are alluded to, but not really any structured details. But from what report after report after report says, their relationship has changed forever.

Yeah. No, those are similar conversations that I've heard as well. But again, nothing is officially on the record. Let's say once Adrian Newey departs Red Bull Racing, Adam, there's two other conversations that I think are going to start happening. It Who goes after Pierre Vachet and what happens with Max Verstappen? Because I think if you lose Adrian Neuilly-Pierre Roche, it's got to be the guy that takes over. But the thing The thing is, Adam, is who's going to come for him? It's the pirana club, man. They're circling the team, and they're going to start taking body parts, right? Yep. Left, right, and center. And that team could get pulled apart. We just don't know. But Pierre Vachet is a crucial component to that team. He is a huge, huge part to that team. And I wouldn't be surprised that if whoever ends up getting Adrian Nuh, he doesn't then go after Pierre Vachet.

Wow.

So bring them together. Goes. Aggressively goes after him. But maybe not to put them together. Let's say, hypothetically, Ferrari gets Adrian Newey, then I would say Aston Martin goes after Pierre Rovache.

I see what you're saying.

Or Mercedes goes after him. I think there's someone else who's going to be coming in, and that's when you're really going to be in trouble with losing Max Versteppen.

There were some rumors that Christian Horner may have tried to sideline Adrian Neuilly and keep him on a supercar or a hypercar project. What do you know about that?

Yeah, the the RB 17, I believe, is what it's called. And it is a hypercar project that they've been working on. From my understanding, it sounds like Christian really wanted Adrian to work on that project exclusively. Maybe not so much a part of the race team as much anymore, but more so looking after that RBC 17 project was really important to them. But again, I just don't think that he wanted to just do that. He's an extremely talented guy. He can do so many different things. You design another team to put that thing together, and then he can just oversee it, something similar to what he's doing with Red Bull Racing.

Right. Okay.

But Adam, I just got to say for Max, look, if Newy goes, man, there's a 50/50 chance that guy's gone in 2026, and that team could be Mercedes.

Well, and apparently, and we'll tie this into you going to Miami in a second here, which I'm so jealous of as it's cold and cloudy here in typical April in Ontario. There is supposedly a scheduled meeting between the Max for Stop and Camp and Mercedes in Miami this weekend. What can you tell me about it?

It's news to me, buddy, but I'm going to be hanging out.

I know where I'm going to be hanging around.

You should just honestly just hang outside of the Mercedes door.

It's just like, All right. Because we've seen Yoss and Toto pretty publicly in the first weekend or two hanging out, chatting. There's flirt happening.

Yeah, for sure. Seeing Yoss and Toto meet up in Berraine, that's where everything kicked off. But for Toto, this is a driver he's tried to get a long time ago. He just never had a seat to put him in. But at the same I mean, it's like I said, Perana Club, man. I think he smells some blood in the water. And so he's going to try and put together whatever he can, I think, to try and get him. He wants Max. He does. And I think if there's a possibility he can wheel him in for 2026 at him, I see him doing it. It's total, man. He would definitely go out and get after it. That's for sure.

If anyone can do it, it's total. So you're heading down to my It's the third annual Miami Grand Prix. They seem to have a lot more... The first year, everybody was really, really excited. But of course, there were some new changes, like the fake water and the fake yachts, which was fun. That's very America. I love it. I love that Americans bring out the show. I know that some racing tourists are like, Well, this isn't at a track, and I'm not sitting in the mud. But that's not glamorous to a wider world. Not everybody wants to smell like gasoline and walk the pit. Sometimes people want to be there and be a part of the show. And that's what America is so good at. If you want that experience, Spa is waiting for you later on in the calendar. And Tim, I want to know from you, What are you most looking forward to now? Having attended this race a couple of times, what are the things that when you're on the ground, you go, Man, I love this. It's so unique to Miami.

I like Miami. I'm not a Florida guy.

You're not a Florida man?

No. But I do enjoy Miami. I enjoy the food culture there. I enjoy the coffee a lot. Going to the track there is, I don't No, it's just fun. They do a really good job of making sure that anyone who comes to the event has a great time no matter what you're doing. I guess When they moved the paddock into the football stadium inside, that was really cool, man. It is awesome, dude. It's so cool, man, because fans can actually get a general admission ticket, and at least they could last year, and go into the stadium, and they can actually see the paddock, because that's now the paddock inside the stadium there. You could hear people yelling. You hear people cheering, chanting, singing. And that's a different vibe than what you get at other Grand Prix, because usually the paddock is really closed off at them. And general admission ticket holder can't really get on the outside to see what's going on on the inside. But for Miami, you can. And it's definitely worth it. It's a ton of fun. Yeah. So I always enjoy... Because where our media center is, is it's in the Dolphins Stadium.

It's in the same media center where whenever the Dolphins play a home game, reporters show up, we're in the same spot that they are in. Now, so getting down to the paddock is a bit of a pain in the ass, but once you get down there, man, it's so cool, dude. It's like you walk into the field and people are just like, chanting and singing and whatever. It's a good time. If you're having a rough go of it, it can really turn your day around real quickly. As for the track, track's pretty cool. I am glad they haven't, and we'll see what they do this year, but I'm glad they haven't changed the chicane, the really slow, fiddly chicane that goes uphill and over a few bumps before the long back straight away, before the hair pin there. I'm so glad that they left that on the calendar last year because it's that different take on it. That's its signature, man. It's this really dumb, slow little fiddly corner, but it's awesome, and I love it. There is a lot about this race that I do enjoy. When they first signed up to do it at him.

I thought this is going to be a disaster. Then when I got there, I think we did Thursday Media Day, and a friend of mine was doing Pirelli Hot Laps, and he came in and I was talking to him, and he's like, Dude, the track is getting pulled up. I'm like, What do you mean it's getting pulled up? The track is coming apart. I'm like, It's getting coming apart already. You guys are driving road cars on that thing. I'm like, Look what's going to happen when F1 cars get out there. For that first year, when it came to that pavement, that was the only real issue with the entire event, that was the only real issue. And ever since, man, it's been a good time.

And they repaved it.

Yeah, fully repaved, different type of surface, all that stuff. It's a fun event. Those who are listening, if you're able to ever come over and do Miami, it's a great one. And so is Texas, man. So is Vegas. Vegas is just on another level.

It's just so much fun, huh?

Oh, my God, dude. I'm That was a lot of fun.

I'm so jealous. Well, this is going to be fun. So the next time you and I talk, you'll be in your hotel room, which I'm very excited about. You better have a good view. I'm going to need to see a good view, and you're going to have to show us your view, at least so we feel like we're there. All right, Tim?

Does that sound good? I'll do my best, buddy.

Okay. Now, the last thing I want to talk about before we wrap here, and there's always extra stuff to talk about, we just never have enough, is the cutthroat nature of racing and how tough it is to make it and keep it. And this extends beyond Formula One. Big news out of Aero McLaren today with one of their drivers, Aero McLaren from Indy. Go ahead, Tim. Tell us what happened.

Yeah, David Malukas getting let go from his deal. He didn't even get to drive a race for the team when he got... He's been signed to them since the end of last season. Just a shame, really. I mean, David had a wrist injury from a mountain bike accident that he had, I believe it was in February, and he just hasn't really recovered from it. It was a pretty serious injury, it was a pretty serious break. And for the past, what was it? One, two, three, four races, they've had Calla Mylotte in the seat twice, and they've had Théo Porcher in the seat twice. And I think David just knew that he wasn't going to be able to go for the month of May. And obviously, the month of May is a huge component to IndyCar. It's a huge component to every sponsor that participates with all of these teams, including Aaron McLaren, and not to have your full-time driver being able to sit in the seat to compete in the month of May. I think you have to cut your losses, see how he's feeling next year, and if there is space, bring him back.

That's the only thing you can do. That's a fair thing to do at the end of the day. Then I think they go with Kyle and Ilott. Now, whether or not that happens or not, Eilat has WEC engagements, and so he's got a pretty full calendar as it is. And Teo Puchet, he's always got his reserve driver duties for Sauber. Plus, he's got the Super Formula Championship that he's racing at the same time, and he's pretty committed to both. And so it's going to be difficult to see who they're going to be able to get out of what deals and put them in the Indy car full-time. But I think I lot would probably be the smart way to go for now. I really liked what Porchere did. He was incredible. A super young talent, Formula 2 champion, obviously.

Well, I lot had some pretty good success in Formula 2 as well. Yeah, Iilat is great.

It's just a shame what happened with David. It shows you, Adam, just how when you get a wrist injury like that, like broken bone fracture, anything, just how long it can take some people's bodies to recover. Remember when Lance Stroll had his, I think he got really lucky with his recovery. I think where his fractures were allowed him to maybe make those recoveries faster. But I think that the help he got off the track from his trainer, from his physiotherapist, from everyone who helped him trying to recover from that, was The cheat was huge. But the thing with David is that he's just not recovering well from it. It's just not.

Yeah. And it's hard. No power steering. Hard to drive a car with no power steering on a broken wrist. It just really is. So we wish him the best. And that's how tough... That's the sport. It's a real tough sport. But I have a feeling that he's the type of driver that will bet on himself and turn it around and be ready to go for next season. Tim, do you leave for Miami tomorrow or Wednesday?

Wednesday, buddy. I get to go to the F1 exhibition tomorrow.

No, that's right. Oh, in Toronto? That's awesome. Okay, that'll be fun. Well, enjoy that. And we will talk to you Thursday in Miami.

Yes, sir. Thanks, Adam. Appreciate it, dude.