Our break is over and we are officially back and getting ready for a race weekend, Tim Horeigny.

Recharged and ready to go, man.

Yeah. I mean, listen-It's recharged and all that crap. It was nice to see because silly season was distinctly uncily this year. So there wasn't like any emergency pods that needed to be done or anything. It was like, oh, everybody's just going on vacation and we're going to stay that way.

Yeah, good point, Adam. But when And we tape that podcast. So it would be the last week before the full summer shutdown. So before they had two full weeks off. So it would have been spa. And then we had a week where we had a bunch of news. And it was just all coming at once every single day, sometimes two big stories a day. And then, yeah, once that two weeks shutdown happens, teams just forget about it. They're gone. They're not checking their phones. They're not doing anything. It's definitely full shutdown mode at that point.

Well, it's a beautiful thing. I'm very grateful and very excited to be back. We're going to go to the Netherlands this weekend. Zanvoort, one of the fastest... I think it's a fun track. I always really love the embankment part of it. I think it's very, very cool. I love everything about this circuit. So it's your typical summer circuit that's awesome. Usually, the European circuits through the summer are just the absolute best racing to watch. But before we get to all that, Tim, I think there's a couple of things that we probably should talk about, which is number one.

Wait, before we get started, I got to ask you, what did you do on your summer break?

If you'd like to really know, I got really sick. What? I got so sick. So my wife's only vacation week this year was last week. We had a bunch of stuff planned, and I went down on Monday. She made this amazing steak dinner. She's really, really a great cook. And after I ate it, and this is seven o'clock, 7:30, something like that. I'm like, I have to go to sleep. I'm feeling terrible. And then I didn't get out of bed on the Tuesday. The Wednesday, I could get up, but I was sweating profusely. It was less of the nasal thing. I'm sure you can still hear the nasal, but a lot more of the aches and the pains and stuff. Then on Thursday, as I'm starting to round the corner a little bit, she gets it. As of today, she is only now starting to get over it. It was a bit of a waste tip, I'm not going to lie, but I did get a lot of rest. I rested.

So disappointing. Lame.

I know. It's so freaking lame. What about you? What did you do?

Man, I did a lot. Went to some concerts. Which shows? Well, went and saw AWAL Nation. Do you know what that is? Oh, yeah. Okay.

Absolutely know who they are.

There's another band called 311.

I don't know if you know. Do I know 311? Come on. Okay.

Yeah, they're a great band. I grew up listening to them, so it was great to go and see them live. It's funny, man. You know how you go and you see bands that you grew up with listening to? You're in your teens, and they're obviously in their late 20s, getting into their 30s. Then when you get into your 30s and 40s, they're in their '50s. And you're thinking, I know what it feels like to be 40. I don't know what it feels like to be '50. And I imagine it feels a lot worse. But then you go and you show up, and these guys just look They look great. They look like they got a ton of energy. They're really fit. They've been taking care of themselves like all of these musicians. And you're just like, How?

Yeah. No, I remember when Fleetwood Mac did a full reunion tour, Christie McVee came back, and that's when she was still alive. And apparently, she called Stevie Nicks and she said, okay, I think I'm ready to get back on the road. And Stevie's like, that's awesome. Get a trainer. And so a lot of those guys, they work out. They'll train in the morning and then practice in the afternoon to get ready because those stage shows can be really, really intense. I went and saw Iron Maiden a few summers ago, and I couldn't believe these guys are in their late '60s, early '70s, and they're flying, swinging guitars around and stuff. I'm like, I don't know how they're doing that because I'd be exhausted.

Oh, yeah. And think about how easy it is for them to get injured on the stage. I remember, I think it was Zack Delarosh from Rage Against a Machine. We went and saw them when he broke his ankle. Oh, yeah. So I think it was Chicago. I want to say it was two years ago now. They had held a concert here in Toronto at the Scotia Banks Center, and he had broken his ankle I think it was two concerts just before they had gotten here. So we had to do the whole thing sitting down because his freaking foot was toast. But he did that from jumping around on the stage and stuff. Oh, yeah. I appreciate when musicians get into their act and stuff, but sometimes the older they get, I just waiting for like, Oh, dude, don't pull a muscle.

Yeah. David Lee Roth wrote a book in the mid, I think, the mid 2000s, early 2000s, and he said the opener of it was, and he was the lead singer of Van Halen for a long time, known for doing back flips and kicks and all that stuff on stage. He was a gymnast. And he said, I'm hurt every tour and I'm hurt every show. He said, Every show, I'm in pain. I think that says something, right? There's so much athletic prowess that goes into it. And it's interesting. We always talk about what F1 drivers lose or race car drivers in general, what they lose throughout a race in weight. I always wonder that with musicians, too. You're doing Taylor Swift's show in Europe, three and a half hours, Tim. You're losing weight. You're losing weight.

100%. It's It's a physical activity, right? You're definitely going to be sweating. Every concert that I've gone to, every musician has gotten sweaty and everything. It happens, right? I mean, it's a physical... They got to put on a performance. You know what I mean? That's part of the performance. Whatever comes from it comes from it, right? But yeah, no, definitely, man. What else did we do? Took my dad to the Jay's game. Oh, yeah. I hadn't been to a baseball game in quite a while because there's nothing wrong with baseball. Sometimes I find it a little slow, let's say. But yeah, so we went there. My girlfriend and I took him to a game. Then we took my family to the F1 exhibition, which was great. Hadn't been together with my whole family in a while because since probably, I want to say, Christmas time, I've been so busy traveling everywhere with Formula One and everything, that we never had a chance to all be together. So F1 exhibition hooked me up on that front and got us all We all went together and gave us the full tour and stuff. So it was fantastic.

Had a lot of fun. And other than that, man, just rode my bike, swam, ran, went to Ottawa for a wedding. That was it. Took it easy. Recharge the batteries. Nothing too crazy. Went to the movies, that stuff. Oh, yeah.

Well, that's good. Did you see Deadpool and Wolverine yet?

I did. I wasn't-How is it? Oh, it was good, man. I liked it. I enjoyed it. Look, I think it was growing up as a kid. You're watching Saturday morning cartoons, Xmen, and the Spider-Man was on right after that and everything. And this movie was just like everyone's costume was legit. It was all like very... It was all comic accurate in a sense. It was like you just took your toys and smashed them together. That's basically what it was like. It was awesome. I love that.

That's very cool.

You just switch your brain off, right? It's not like I didn't have to think too hard.

No, and you don't go to movies like that to think. I often say that I don't often want to watch a movie that makes me think because I have to think so much in real life that I'd to just shut it off.

We got into season three of The Bear. I got into season one years ago when it first came out, and I loved it. It was a great show. And then season three, so that one's been a little more I've had to think Why did they play this music here? Why did they do this shot? Every shot is really tight now, and you can just see everyone's facial expressions, which is great. It's great acting, the whole performance is, but it feels a lot more artistic than the seasons before it. But I don't want to ruin anything for anybody who hasn't seen it. But yeah, we've spent some time watching that show, too.

If you're relaxed and you want to stay relaxed, don't watch The Bear. It's very stressful. Yeah, that's right.

Very good point. That's actually a really good point.

Tim, we were talking a little bit about sweat and weight loss. One of the stories that's been bubbling under the surface that you might have actually forgotten about because life gets in the way is remember what George Russell, One Spa, but then he didn't. And there was weight loss factor associated, and they initially blamed it on the tires. Well, Pirelli came out and said, well, it could be, but it doesn't account for the 1.5 kilograms that they were underweight. And it's interesting because Mercedes came out and talked about this a little bit, and it's much more than just that. It was the floor and potentially, George Russell's weight loss throughout the race because it was a hot race.

Yeah, I think a big part of it was not only the... It was a combination of a few different things. One of them being the tire, another being the plank. So the floor, like underneath the car, the more it goes up through or rouge, like there's a lot of bottoming and grounding that's happening there. So the car compresses into the into the asphalt and into the track, and it wears away that plank that's underneath. So there's that. And then also George had lost quite a bit of weight. I think the team wasn't expecting him to lose as much weight as he did. And that was also a key contributor to the amount of weight that had the 1.5 kilograms that they were looking for. Part of it was George as well. So it's just such a hot day, and they didn't take into consideration the sweat loss, how much he was going to sweat, how much weight was he going to lose. There's such a science to the whole thing, right Adam? Sure. It's like the teams really have to dig in and prepare properly as to where weight is coming off. And I think it just shows you how specific Formula One is with everything, right Adam?

Even when you factor in weight loss, the teams have to do those factors day before, a couple of days before, so they can be prepared to make sure that the car is at the proper weight limit. So there's so so many different things that go into that as well, right?

It is a detail-oriented sport. And as somebody who's not very detail-oriented, I respect it, but I can't imagine the minute, detailed spreadsheets that those guys have. Something else that I think is really interesting, and we've seen this with other drivers before, I'm thinking specifically of Alex Albon and his shoulders being cut by his ill-fitting harness. Oscar P. Astry had a broken rib because of an ill-fitted F1 seating his McLaren, which I thought, Tim, that... Because I can understand William's not having it together necessarily on Albon's part, just because they had some parts issues and tub issues that were well-documented earlier in the year, and they have issues turning things out of the factory because they're switching things over from Excel sheets to real thing. Long story short, how is it that McLaren has an ill-fitting seat for Oscar Piastri?

A lot of it comes down to seat fit. So when you start the season or just before you start the season, you're getting fit to the tub that you'll be competing in for the season. The tubs don't normally change simply because of the cost cap. So you're building one tub that will essentially be remanufactured throughout the season. And you do your seat fit in the wintertime. So probably in around December or January, Oscar is probably doing his seat fit. And it takes a while to get the proper fitting out of him, because even in testing, your trimming parts of it away to try and feel like you're comfortable and you're... Well, not comfortable, it's never comfortable, but you feel like you're secure and you're not moving around. Even moving just a couple inches here or there, it is magnified when you're pulling like 6 Gs, 5 Gs laterally in a corner, just all of it, right? Because your whole body is shifting from all of that weight being sent through your body. And if the tracks are very fast and punishing, and let's say you get a couple of those back to back to back, then you start to run into these problems of like, Oh, my hip is really acting up, or my lower back is killing me, or whatever.

Sometimes it's the seat that's just not secured you enough. And so you need to go back and remake another one so you can get that perfect fit, so you can at least feel like your body is not moving around too much. For Oscar, in his case, there's a pinch point in the seat. And having the last three races, which were before a spa, We're very physical and fast and very demanding. And that right there is enough for you to break a rib because of all of the forces going through you for, let's say, three Grand Prix back to back to back. That's a lot. It is a ton of stuff going on there. And so that's what led to a broken rib.

It's so interesting hearing his timeline to support what you're saying here, Tim, because he said the scan was the day after Silverstone, but it was definitely broken before Silverstone. And he said it probably got disturbed a bit in Barcelona. And then with Austria right afterwards, it was pretty painful and nasty for a few days. Now, I want to run through his results because if you look at the Spanish Grand Prix where he says the pain started, Although he doesn't know that the break happened there. He finished seventh. But then you go to the Austrian Grand Prix, and this is where he thinks he broke it. He finished second. And then you go to the British Grand Prix, where he still has not even had a scan yet to confirm that it's broken. He finishes fourth. And then the Hungarian Grand Prix, he wins, and the Belgian Grand Prix, he finishes second right before the break, all with a broken rib. Now, I've never broken a bone. I've been really lucky. I hear if you're going to break something, broken ribs are not fun at all. It's the worst. So you broken ribs?

Oh, yeah.

Go-karts. Go-karts.

Yeah. What's it feel like? Oh, man. It feels like exactly what it sounds like. It's just like a little bone, a little chicken bone just goes like that. It absolutely kills. And it hurts even more because when you get back into a car, a go-kart, whatever, those same forces aren't going anywhere.

Right.

And if the track is He was even more aggressive. Those are some pretty aggressive tracks that he had gone to there. I would assume, and this is just an assumption, but what I would have done is I probably would have gotten some a numbing agent on there or an injection of some kind to try and keep the pain down a bit. Just something that would allow me to focus because once you get tired, injured in a race car, whatever, as soon as that happens, you obviously have nerve centers and everything, but your mind goes where it is. It's not going to the track. You literally can feel things when you're getting shifted somewhere. You're like, There it is. But you're supposed to be focused on the track and what's coming up next and whatever. So, man, those are some pretty impressive results. It's amazing. That's tough. That's just a tough dude right there.

It's a tough dude right there. I think you're absolutely right. Tim, that part of it for me is what makes those results even more impressive, is you do that with a broken ribbon. The thing is that we didn't hear about it. Sometimes you hear about those things with drivers. I think with Oscar, he's so understated. Here's what he had to say. This is what I love about Oscar. He so doesn't want to talk about it. He said, You make the seat, obviously, at the start of the year, and sometimes you get it a little bit wrong. He's like, Some tracks don't expose it, but I think going from Barcelona to Austria to Silverstone, three pretty hardcore tracks, did it. So, yeah, it was a bit of a pressure point, which eventually gave up. But it's all good now, and we've changed the seat and fixed it pretty much. So yeah, back to normal. Like, this is it. Yeah, I broke a rib, won a race, came second in a couple others, top fours, top fives, no big deal. I love this guy.

What a legend, eh?

Yes. Now, I want to say this. It's been interesting because there was no silly season in the actual F1 paddock this year. Sergio Perez, obviously staying where he was at Red Bull. Everybody thought, if anything's going to happen, it's going to be him. We still don't know totally who's in every seat for next year, but we're getting a better picture. And obviously Carlos signs going to Williams. But what I found interesting was the fans got silly. Now, online, things can get a little toxic and get a little crazy. But there was a quote that I think is worth talking about that made the rounds. It's because when Lando Norris, I believe in 2021, was asked about Lewis Hamilton and about his accomplishment of seven straight championships or whatever, and this is an interesting quote because Lando can be very dry. He said something to the effect of, Yeah, well, it doesn't matter. He's got the best car. And so what was interesting about that is people are going, Okay, Lando, you have the best car now. You have the best car, and you're still not winning. And he did get his win, absolutely. And he did give up another win to Oscar, which could have been, too.

But Tim, when you hear something like that, is that just a young driver three years ago, probably spouting off and being immature? Because that's how it strikes me. Or is this a real learning lesson for Lando where it's like, Oh, okay, yeah, you actually still do have to win the race?

I would need to First of all, I need to see the quote or hear it, hear what he said, what's the context, and who did he say it to, and what was the significance of it before launching into a detailed oriented opinion. In Formula One, there are teams that, yeah, they do get a dominant car, but that's on the driver to make sure that they take it to wins and do what they need to with it. I mean, some folks seem to think that, Oh, yeah, he's got the best car. And like, Yeah, whatever. He's just going to go and win. That's great if you got the best car. But if you can't drive it and get the wins, it doesn't mean shit. You have to make sure. You know what I mean? So you have to make sure that you have the best driver driving the best car so they can go out, execute and be dominant. It's like, are you going to take the worst driver in the world, put them in the best car and have them go out and be dominant? It's probably not going to happen. So it's like you need to have all those certain things coming together.

In McLaren's instance in Lando Norris, I mean, their car is really good, but it's not dominant. It is a car that is a good all-arounder. I mean, take Spa, for instance. If McLaren had a dominant car, McLaren would have absolutely thrashed everybody in qualifying for the Belgian Grand Prix, and they didn't. Max was, even though he got the grid penalty because the engine change, Max was in another dimension. No one was catching him in qualifying. He was incredible. So I mean, I would say for this season, Lando probably should have a few more wins. But I also think that the team has a responsibility in that as well because they dropped the ball in a few of these races. Canada, by not just letting Lando do his own thing and Pit if he thought a safety car was going to come out. Silverstone, for sure. I mean, that should have been a victory. Putting him on soft tires instead of the medium, whatever. Austria, I think also should have been another win. And then for Hungary, if he just gets a better start, that's a win there. So there's a combination of things, I think, for Lando and McLaren, but I wouldn't say that they have a dominant car.

Yeah. Okay. So here's But I like that you categorized it in that way because Mercedes really did have, for a time, just an unbelievable car. Oh, they had a machine. Yeah. So here's what it was. It was back in 2020, and Lando was asked about-That car was awesome.

Mercedes's car in 2020 was... It was crazy. But the Lewis did what he did, thrashed everybody.

Hamilton broke the record for the most F1 wins, and Landa was asked about it, and he said, It doesn't really mean anything to me. He's in a car that should win every race, basically. He has one or two drivers to beat. That's it. Fair play to him. He's still doing the job he has to do. That's the quote that took off.

That's from 2020. People were bringing that quote up?

Oh, yeah. Well, listen, they were bored. That's so long ago. I know. But I think it's important that we talk about that because that became for about a week, people were just dunking on Lando. And I think, first First off, the 2020 Mercedes versus the 2024 McLaren with regard to the rest of the field are not comparable.

The 2020 Mercedes is probably one of the greatest race cars we've ever seen.

Right. We've got four teams that can win a race any weekend this year. Red Bull, Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren. So that was not the case in 2020. So that's key number one and key number two, obviously. Listen, I'm a McLaren fan, McLaren guy. I think Lando does put his foot in his mouth sometimes, but this one seems like... I feel like the guy was, I don't know, 19?

That's reaching, I would say.

I think so.

I mean, there was even Adrian Newey reports going around that he's-100 million, Aston Martin.

Oh, you bet I have that on the docket. I'm bringing it up.

Oh, man.

Well, let's talk about it. Yeah, for sure. No No truth to that?

I mean, Andrew Newey hasn't signed anything yet. He hasn't.

So maybe he's been offered it.

Yeah. We're not going to know anything until September, mid-September, probably, I would say. It should be even sooner. Who is he going to sign with? Nobody knows. No one knows that. And even for the deals that I would say Lawrence does, they're done very securely And he doesn't give anything away. And so it's just folks online getting bored and saying stuff. And it's just like there's no meaning to it. Adrian hasn't signed anything anywhere. And So let's just cool our jets here and wait and see what happens. I mean, he may not even return to Formula One, Adam. I doubt it.

You think he'll be back?

I think he's going to be back. With which team, though, who knows? I mean, it doesn't sound like he It doesn't sound like he'll be going to Ferrari. I mean, could he go back to McLaren? Why not? Why not pick up where you left off from there? And then what about Aston Martin? For sure. I mean, if it's a good deal, if it makes sense, if it's something that he wants to do, if it's a project that he's interested in, then yeah, for sure, that could be a place. There's lots of places you could go.

I love it. Just for the nostalgia factor, I love the return, the idea of a return to Williams or a to McLaren. But McLaren is interesting because it's the least talked about. All the other team principals have said, Yeah, we'd love to have him. And we're talking to him and we want him here. And McLaren hasn't said anything. I'm sure they've chatted, though.

I believe everybody's chatted to him. You're not doing your job right, Adam, if you're not going after this guy. You're not. So if he's available, he's a free agent. You got to go get him, right? And he's the best free agent that's out there right now when it comes to making race cars. Technically, he's removed himself from the Red Bull Racing operation, so he's not involved in any capacity with what Red Bull Racing is doing. That's all fallen on the shoulders of Pierre Vachet. But outside of that, even if McLaren doesn't sign him, that That's not a huge deal for them. Look at what they've done in the past 24 months. It's been remarkable. And that's with Andre Stella retooling a few things, having them bring in a few outside guys, Rob Marshall in particular, who really stands out to me, and just retooling that engineering department and what they're doing down there. And they've just been incredible, man. They brought one big this season, Adam, one, and then just tiny little parts from here on out. Just one big upgrade. That's crazy. If you take a look at some of the other teams that are going on down the grid, it's like massive update.

And then two months later, massive update in Some of them aren't working for teams. And for McLaren, they launched one big one, and the car is still really good, still competitive everywhere, still good all arounder. From here on out, they've got to just bolus bolt on little components that are going to help them eke out hundreds here, hundreds there, et cetera.

Perhaps focus on developing next year's car, too. Yeah.

Do they really need Adrian Newey for all that?

I don't know.

I mean, I sure wouldn't hurt.

I hope he gets his office back, though, in the McLaren building. If he does go back. It's so funny when you read that book, because obviously, I read that at your... You told me to read that, so I read that over the winter, and it's a great book. But him talking about How Ron Dennis needed everything to be gray, gray and black, gray and black, gray and black. And you know some details that go even further than where Adrian goes in that book. But I think he painted his office a different color. And Ron Dennis was like, apoplectic about it. It's crazy. It's such a great story. The whole book is phenomenal. It's the best racing book ever.

I absolutely love that book. I recommended it to a friend of mine because because he was asking, what's the... He said, what's the... It was Bob Stern, who was basically one of the reporters for Dallas Cowboys and all that stuff. And he was like, what's the best racing book? And this is over the summer break. He's like, racing book you've ever read. And I'm like, it has to be Adrian Newey's book. Even though it's not a driver, it's just so good on so many different levels. You don't need it to be a driver. You get so much just out of him drivers that he's actually worked with and what he and engineers need to do to build a race car, his back, everything. I don't want to ruin it for people, but it's a great book. If you ever get a chance to read, you should. It's fantastic.

I know everybody wants to hear about Senna and some of the other great drivers, but I love the Nigel Mansell stuff and the politics at Williams with Nigel Mansell winning and then going to IndyCar, and everybody's like, Why did he do that? Because they had already signed a new driver. There's just so much great stuff in there. Great little tibits here and there.

What do you say about Nigel's thighs or his ass? He had a power ass or his thighs or something.

Also, there's a great story, and I forget the guy's name, but he's talking about they had one great driver and one driver who was just a good F1 driver, but not going to win any races. I think it was Nigel Mansell that was messing with him and saying, Yeah, I've only eaten salads and I've gone vegan or something like that. And so this guy's like, Well, I better do the same. And Nigel Mansell is throwing back hamburgers and like...

Oh, it's great.

Trust me when I tell you this, and this is not a paid ad. Read that book. Read that book. So obviously, Adrian is still on the market. Now, Tim, going into Xanvert, we're obviously past halfway. We're about Sorry, two-thirds, I'd say, through the season. What team? I'm going to say what team and then what driver. So we'll start with the team. What team is under the most pressure going into these last 10 races?

That has to be Red Bull, right, Adam? It has to be, right?

I think so.

I mean, maybe Salver because they haven't even scored a point, but they started the season poorly and they're still... The car is poor. I wouldn't say they're under a ton of pressure. I would say Red Bull Racing is for sure, and only for the Constructors' Championship, maybe not so much the drivers' Championship. I mean, heck, if the next three races don't go according to plan for Verstappen and Lando is able to really capitalize on some misfortune, then we could probably start having that conversation. But I think after spa, that conversation for me started to die down a bit. But the constructors is definitely not. I think there's three or teams here that if they get hot at any point, can blow this thing wide open, and we could see a new leader at the top of the constructor standings by the time we get out of Monza. And I think that's I think that is possible. I mean, heck, we can maybe be able to see a new leader at the end of the Dutch Grand Prix here in the constructor standing. So I think that for me, for Red Bull Racing, I think they are the ones who are under pressure for sure.

And Max hasn't been totally happy with the car, its development, what they've done with that development over the last, I don't know, four or five races. We've heard it on the radio in some races as well. And I think for him, he is feeling that pressure. And I think if they can get more out of Sergio Perez, that's what's going to make the difference in this Constructors' Championship is what happens with Sergio, because we know Max is always going to be there. The Red Bull, the RB20 is not at this moment. Adam, it's not a... It's not like a real race-winning car. I would say maybe SPA, it was a real race-winning car, and that would be pretty much it. And you look at the amount of work that Max has to do to fend off two drivers from two different teams. Teams. It's not only like, Lando Norris, Oscar Piastri, it's also George Russell, it's also Lewis Hamilton. Then at some point, it could be the Ferraris as well, like of Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz. And so I think for Max, he's got his work cut out for him and definitely needs help from Sergio.

So I think if the team is able to bring Sergio around, then it may be hard for them to lose the constructor standings, but still, they got a lot of work to do there with Sergio for sure.

Yeah. And you know what? The door is still open for him, potentially to be moved on from. The statement did leave that door somewhat open.

Yeah, maybe not for this season, though. Maybe for next, that's a for sure possibility. But once they locked in with him and committed to running him until the end of the season this year, he's not going anywhere. Maybe next year, but not for this season. It's too late at this point.

Tim, I want to ask about Ferrari in this conversation as well, because they have, obviously, Lewis Hamilton coming in at the end of the year. They have a car that's been good and one, but not great. What pressure are they under? What are their expectations for the second or for this part of the year?

What do you think?

I think it should be higher than what it It is. I think they need to be going for at least second place, but difficult to steal that away from McLaren or Red Bull. But this is Ferrari. That should be absolutely on the table of we need to do this. And their upgrades have not seemed to have the same punch that for sure, McLaren, for sure, Mercedes, who've had the two best, I would say, upgrade packages this year. Red Bull's upgrades have not really gotten them where they need to go, but I think that they think that they've gone as far as they can get with the car, or at least they're talking that way. I'm curious about where Ferrari is at on that one.

They have to be in the mindset of getting ready for next year. I think a lot of teams are in that respect. When it comes to next season, because for next season, it's going to be awesome. It could be a shootout. Yeah, it could possibly be one of the greatest F1 seasons ever with the way things are going right now, I would say for Ferrari, Ferrari, it's learning from where you went wrong with the Imala update, which they appear to have learned that. What are the fixes moving forward, and are the fixes going to work? Last season, we saw Ferrari make the same mistakes, but really do well in rebounding and coming back stronger at the back half of the season. Could we see something similar here? I mean, we quite possibly could. I think the biggest thing is trying to get this car right for next year. It's crucial in that respect because we don't know what's going to It's going to happen with 2026. And so I think if you can at least get the car into the ballpark of where you think it needs to be in that trajectory for 2025, I mean, that's what's going to be the most important thing, I think, for them because of Lewis Hamilton and the investment that they've made in him and in that.

And that has to be a priority, I think, for them. Has to be.

And as far as drivers under pressure, who would you say is under the most pressure right now coming back in?

Daniel Ricardo and Sergio Perez. But that would be... I would say Daniel Ricardo in terms of, Can he continue the success that he's had in the last... I would say since Canada. I would say since Canada, he had a couple of dips, but he was more consistent and consistently fast. If he can keep that going, and if Sergio doesn't really come together, I would be interested to see what they do there. I'd be interested to see if that's like they take Daniel and they put him into Red Bull Racing and move on from Sergio if he continues to struggle. I think also under pressure is for Stappen. I think he is for sure. I think if at any point they start to have mistakes, issues with the car, and Lando doesn't, Lando starts to win a lot, outscore Max by quite a bit, I mean, he could find himself back into the driver's Championship chase here. That would be huge. It's a big ifs, right? Like everywhere, obviously.

Yeah, but I think there is some pressure on Lando.

Yeah, but these are just little things that I'm looking at.

Absolutely. Now, this weekend, what car do you need to have to be successful in Zanvort?

Got to have a lot of downforce on it, for sure. I think this is a track where you're going to be running max downforce. Big commitment corners, big commitment track. I think the more confidence you have within the car, the better you're going to do. And I think this should be a track where the RB20, so Red Bull Racing does well, Adam. I really do. I think this should be a track where they... Max should be coming away with his fourth straight win at his home Grand Prix and his 200th Grand Prix. This would be it. I think he should be coming away with the victory here. But let's wait and see. It's supposed to rain. It's really windy there today, apparently. That can throw a wrench into everybody's plans. I hope it rains. That'd be great. It'll spice things up for us even more, right Adam?

Absolutely. I like that. I like that. I love a Monday morning conversation about that.

Who do you think is under the most pressure, Adam?

Under pressure for me, I think Lando Norris is for the to show that he can actually challenge Max because a few races ago, we were talking about it like, okay, there's the new rivalry, right? Especially after what happened in Austria. And then a few races later, we're talking about Oscar way outperforming Lando in those last few races, which he did. And I think it's great for Oscar, but I think Lando has got a show now. You've had five, six years to develop here. This is the time. Take it now. Take it now, because next year might be a real crapshoot for everybody. So you don't know if you're going to have another shot at this. It does so much of the time come down to the car. So I think there's that. And I do think McLaren are under an unbelievable amount of pressure to win the Constructors Championship this year because this is a team that hasn't done much since Lewis Hamilton left. And that was a long, long time ago. So they've got to get that done. And then I think your drivers, obviously, that need to perform to stay in the sport, Ricardo and Sergio Perez are pretty obvious, right?

That's an obvious one. I think that Daniel Ricardo, if he continues things, works himself into the conversation for somebody. And it's just going to be a question of who. Helmut Marco said today that Liam Lawson will be in a Red Bull car next year, which team, it doesn't matter, but he will be racing Red Bull next year. Now, the other thing I want to ask is which car lends itself to the downforce that Zanvort needs? What team do you expect to be successful here?

Yeah, that should be the Rb20, right? I mean, they- Should be. Yeah, it should be. I would say it has to be them just simply the way because their car is built and the way it handles things. I think they would be mostly my favorite for this weekend, I think Adam. And then McLaren, I think, would be second. And the interesting thing with Mercedes is we just never know with them right now, which I love because it's great to see them back at the front of the field. Maybe not as strong, obviously, as they were in the past, but it's great to see them rebound from... Oh, man, I remember just being in Bahrain and hanging around the team and talking to people. And man, it was a doom and gloom down there. Just wasn't a good atmosphere. They were down and out. They didn't understand what they had done wrong, didn't really know how to fix things, and just kept at it, never gave up, and found just some tiny details that helped them really bring the whole package to life. And then we saw them come to life in Canada. It's been fun to watch them every single weekend because you just never know.

They could look at Silverstone. What a story. When Hamilton won and obviously Russell was on poll, just incredible stuff. I think Mercedes is always going to be one of those teams for the rest of the season. Now, Adam is just going to be like, what are they going to do? They could be that outlier every single weekend, which is exciting, right? Because it throws more into the story pot for us to sit here and chew up.

Oh, I'm excited for it. It's very cool. I mean, four teams with a shot at winning. I love that. Now, Tim, we got a lot of questions because it's been a while. So we had obviously shows over the break. I highly recommend you check out the Lawrence Barretto and Ben Hunt interviews if you haven't already, because Ben wrote a whole history of Red Bull. Lawrence was just awesome. Just what a fun, bright personality. Just really enjoyed him and great stories. And I loved his little anecdote about Lewis Hamilton, what he's like to talk to, what young Lewis Hamilton was like. Great guy. Really enjoyed that. So let's get in the questions, Tim.

From Dan Clubine, what should we expect from Williams Racing headed into the second Half. Adam, I'll let you go first in the knowledge.

Well, here's the uneducated opinion. I want to see the Williams that I saw last year. I was really excited about the Williams I saw last year, at least with Alex Albon. Long Logan Sargent, obviously, he's going to be out of the sport at the end of the year, but he's going to be into it, probably prema with IndyCar, and he's a very good race driver. I'd like to see Alex Albon surprise the way he did last year. I know he's a great driver. I know that team is turning it around, and they're like the Titanic. It's really tough to turn, but I want to see some success there. I don't know whether it's possible, Tim. That's where I'm at. I just don't know. So you would have a view on that.

The interesting thing for me for Williams is, are they going to really develop this car for the rest of the season, or are they going to start putting time, money, resources into next year's car, and then even more on top of all that, 2026. What is that and what does it look like? Is this a season now where they just, I don't want to say give up, but not be as aggressive with as they probably could be? I think that for me is going to be interesting to see what they do, because obviously the season didn't start the way they wanted it to. They're late to the track on pretty much everything with this car. And that has to do with what's going on behind the scenes at the factory, trying to get things turned around there. And so that's put them on the backfoot for this season. So my thoughts are, I think they're probably just going to take this season to just reset, get ready for next year because you're going to have Carlos in there. You want to make a good impression and make sure that he's going to be happy right away when he gets there and then push forward on that season.

But with the goal to be 2026, to be that really big turnaround, that big jump you have in the constructor standings. So for me, that's going to be interesting to see what they do with the rest of the season. Louis asks, with the reports that Red Bull may be returning to an older spec car, at least in part to help Sergio Perez, how many races or practice sessions do you think that experiment lasts before they give up on that approach and the car for the season? What do you think, Adam?

That's a tough one to answer. You can only really answer that in theory, I think, Tim.

Yeah.

And in theory, I think that Red Bull are not patient, except for with Sergio, weirdly. They're not patient with anybody except for him. But I feel like you give that two, three races, and if you're not seeing the results, there's going to be fireworks. That's what I think.

I would agree. I would say, I would say you see what happens with the Dutch Grand Prix, and then you make more of an evaluation when you get out of Monza. Then maybe I think you can have a few data points you can observe. I I'm interested to see if they do anything on the engineering side. Do they change? Does Hugh Bird leave? Do they remove him and replace him with someone else? What happens there? That's going to be an interesting story moving forward as to what's going on with Sergio and the folks who are working behind the scenes to help get him up to speed. Who's helping him? What are they doing? All of those things would be really interesting to know. Who knows? Maybe they'll throw us a bone and we'll get some insight into that. Jonathan Richie asks, What does Sergio Perez need to do this weekend to help Max win his fourth Dutch Grand Prix in a row? I would say, I mean, Qualifying right next to him. It has to be the goal and objective, because from this point out, that's what Sergio is going to be there for, is to help Max get wins, to help the team win the constructors, and to help Max consolidate that driver's World Championship.

So for me, that's what he's got to do. Hassan Salim asks Adam, Everyone is excited to see McLaren in the mix for the top Crown and the constructors But can we expect Mercedes to put up a good fight? What do you think?

I mean, they're putting up a good fight. Absolutely. They got a great car. You know what? You know where the Mercedes has the edges is Lewis Hamilton, right? They've got this guy who winning was automatic for so long. And it's funny with Lewis is that when the car isn't good, he almost underperforms the car. But when the car is great, he overperforms the car. And that's because I think the obvious thing there is he gets frustrated. But Lando has looked success in the eye and blinked a couple of times. And that does happen when you're a young-ish driver. Oscar really hasn't. When he's had opportunities, he sees them. Those two guys have got to be lights out the rest of the way. There's no more mistakes. There's no more effing around on the radio. And I think the key for McLaren here to keep Mercedes off their heels. I think the points... I think unless something disastrous happens, like McLaren has a double DNF and Mercedes finishes one, two or something like that, I don't think that they're close enough to really be a factor. I think that it's going to be Red Bull McLaren.

But when I look at McLaren inside, and we talked about this over when Silverstone happens, a bit of a disaster there for McLaren, stop being indecisive. You got to learn how to be a Championship team. And championship teams make a decision and they go, what's the day to say? Make the call. Tell the driver. End of story. Don't read them war in peace over the radio. Just go. If it's time to come in for the tires, tell them. And I I think they're going to get to that point. You do screw up along the way sometimes. Does that make sense?

Oh, definitely. I definitely agree with what you're saying. Jay Money asks, if you were a car importer, if If you were a car part, what car part would you be?

That's a good question.

Tim, what would you be? Engine. Engine.

Engine?

Yeah. Wait, I guess it's a car part. Well, it's a component. Yeah, engine.

Screw I'd be the air intake because you get the best view on the track. Unless you're Logan Sergeant, then you got the worst view on the track. But I would want to sit on top of where the pilot is, and I want to see everything, all the full 360.

I guess I got to read the last one, too. I'd feel bad if I didn't get on everybody, but Big Dan Knuckman asks, Okay, So he posts a picture in the question, and the picture is of a young Zack Brown on Wheel of Fortune. And the question is, can you validate this story? And basically, it's the story of Zack Brown on Wheel of Fortune.

Right. Which he got. He won some money on Wheel of Fortune, invested in a go-cart, worked his way up, and now he's the CEO of McLaren Racing. Okay.

So I can't I can't talk about this just yet because we did a thing with Zack. I did a thing with Zack, and it's going to be hopefully coming out next week. You can find all about what happens with this story there.

Oh, I love that tease. I love that tease.

I'll post that on my social media. Hopefully, it'll be next week. I believe it's going to be next week. Great. We'll have that coming in.

Yeah, you had quite the amount of people photographing you guys when you sat down in Toronto. That was crazy.

There was a line of five people deep just taking pictures. Had to be well over 100 There's a lot of people there. I didn't even know because my back was to everybody.

Well, Tim, when you're used to the flashing lights like you are, the glitz, the glamor, that's just a regular day at the pool for you.

You don't take for a good time, buddy. Look at this.

Unshaven. Well, listen, I'm so excited to be back. It felt so good to get this out. I feel like we've been pent up for weeks.

I had a lot to say.

Yeah, Well, it's nice to get out of my house, too, honestly. I was so sick. So, man, listen, I'm really excited. Well, Monday we're going to talk, and hopefully we get a little rain and a little bit of drama, and we'll get back into the rest of this season. Tim, Looking forward to it, man.

Buddy, thanks very much for doing this. Really appreciate it. Hope everybody enjoys the race this weekend. And yeah, we'll be back Monday..