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Why Kaube? Why so far away?

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A shift is happening.

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They say, We decide you are not eligible to stay in London.

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Displacing the poorest.

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They offered me a property in Derby. Derby is three hours away.

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Outside London, even outside the South East.

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They offer me a place called Hattipal. It's too far for me.

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A housing crisis cutting off families.

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You don't see this as home.

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Taking more people into temporary accommodation, hours away from everything they know.

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Our house in Harrow, it was small, but it was home.

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The therapist, she's telling me you'll get through this, but I don't think so at all.

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Homeless outside Enfield Travel Lodge, we meet Nedret.

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I'm still waiting at the Travel Lodge with my suitcase.

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She's just been evicted from her room.

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You said you're going to arrange something, I think.

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The council case worker tells her they're looking for alternative accommodation.

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Yeah, but I don't have nowhere to leave my luggage because I have to go pick up my children.

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He says that's not his concern. It will be Nedret's sixth hotel move.

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They offer me Hartlepool, place called Hartlepool. It's like 4 hours and 37 minutes It's too far for me.

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After rejecting a rental, 250 miles away.

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You've got to pick the children up for school and they've got nowhere to stay? Yes. You don't know where you're going to be sleeping tonight? No.

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This has been going on for months and months, and I can't take anymore. I don't have no energy to stand up because my children are suffering at the same time I I don't know what to do.

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In Corby, it's 4:30 AM.

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Hello. Hello, good morning. How are you? Are you okay? You're good, thank you.

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We're here to meet Abdulla.

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He was moved a three-hour drive from his home borough of Harro.

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Shabbat, pick up, pick up.

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Getting up this early is what they have to do to get to school back in London on time.

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How do you guys feel living here? Why?

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Because I don't like it here.

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Why don't you like it here?

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Can we discuss that?

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You leave for school in the middle of the night? Every day?

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We have to wake up very early. And plus, I've got my sat soon, so I really need to get up.

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Get more sleep.

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Yeah, revise for that, I guess.

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How tired are you?

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You can talk about my voice, I guess.

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You don't see this as home?

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I don't see.

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Evicted when their landlord sold, Corby is temporary. They were told for six weeks. It's been four months.

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They told me, If you not accepting this house, we take out your name from the list. If you say you do need the house.

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So you had no choice?

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Yeah, I have no choice. He must go, Corby, otherwise. There's no choice.

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But you're completely alone Yeah, there's a lot of nobody I have here.

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It can be an eight-hour round trip. The youngest asleep within minutes. Do you miss your friends? Yes. What do you say to your friends about where you're living? I haven't really told them anything. Why not?

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They just know I live far away. I haven't really told them anything. How do you feel about continuing to live in Corby for the foreseeable future? I don't really like it because most people... There's not much Muslims there. So every time I walk past, most people stare at me because of my hijab and stuff. How does that make you feel? It makes me feel different from people.

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Abdulla was an Uber driver, giving up after being diagnosed with muscular dystrophy.

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So your muscle will just waste away?

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Yeah. If anything happened to me or my wife, who come and help me here? It's 19, my wife from my family's and friend, cousins, they are not in London.

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And finally, four hours after leaving.

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Khadija, come.

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I've moved to four hotels now.

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Sabrine's been living like this for eight months.

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So this is for me. It's an absolute nightmare to sleep in. Oh, my goodness.

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But with three children, one autistic, sleeping here has become dangerous.

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I take this and I put it there as well. So...

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And if you didn't have this hair, what could happen?

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She'll leave. Literally, she'll leave. I'll be asleep, and I'll probably wake up to my child missing.

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She, too, has been threatened with being moved out of area?

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Yeah, they offered me a property in Derby. Derby is three hours away.

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With an offer to rent 150 miles away.

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Who's going to watch my kids in Derby?

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It's her only choice from the council so far.

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Her reasons for not leaving so far away, away from support system, family and friends, is very important, and it makes sense. I have three children. One has disabilities. How many times am I going to have to scream and shout that?

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She holds a clue as to why a new policy in Enfield.

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It says this new policy, this means that we will be finding homes for homeless families in parts of the country that are affordable to people on low income. The homes we offer will usually be a long way from Enfield and outside South-East England. So a whole region of England, if you're poor, you can't live here anymore.

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Yeah, basically, even though I've lived here my entire life, basically, it makes you feel like they want London to look a certain way.

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She's been told she should go and view it.

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So it says here, It's also very important that you present well at the viewing and sign up. Failure to do so, which then leads to the landlord not wishing to offer you the property, will also be treated as formal refusal of the offer.

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What does that mean?

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It means you've made yourself intentionally homeless.

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Even though you're homeless and you've got kids and you're having to move up to Derby, you dress in a suit like you're going to a job interview in order to prove that you need a roof over your head.

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Housing campaigner Quarjo has seen this before.

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There's been cases where people that I've worked with have been refused and then... But because they weren't presenting well.

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Exactly. He's also seen people moved away.

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Basically, if you're poor, get out.

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But not a policy so clear.

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I've heard stories, but I've never seen it so in black and white, written down like, This is what we're saying. It's social cleansing, and it's only a collecting a certain group, those from low income. It's almost turned into the hunger games when people are looking for social housing or to have a roof over their head. That is not what housing should be in the sixth richest economy in the world.

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Enfield Council refused an interview but described extremely challenging financial conditions and a shortage of social and affordable homes to rent. In line with other councils, they've moved to a national placement policy due to the extreme shortage of accommodation in London and the South East. In Ilford, that threat lingers over Nadret.

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I thought you were a little bit sleepy.

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Up early with her daughters.

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Mom, first time ever. I have these hands are cold. They're usually so hot.

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It's been a few weeks since we met.

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We're going to cross the road, okay? Just wait here.

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They're still in London, but hours from school.

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They were so tired. My daughter, when she got home, she was like, Lying on the bed, Mom, I'm so tired. So I'm thinking, if it's too far, let's move to school here. But I don't know how long I'm going to stay in this room.

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Traveling like this, the girls' days can be 15 hours long, at least.

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The bus got to Chimfert.

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I don't want to be there anymore in the room.

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It doesn't show my face, but emotions.

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She had a really bad dream last night as well. Come on, Eda. Come on, come on.

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The council have also told Nadret they are ending their duty to house her because she refused a place in Hartlepool, five hours away.

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It just makes me tired, and hopeless as well. We just can't get nowhere. I didn't know that house situation is going to be that hard. I didn't know. I'm afraid that they take me this room as well. I be come on street basically with these two children.

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Your mom said you're very brave. Do you feel it?

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Yes, and Yes and no.

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Yes and no?

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What do you mean? At one point I do, but at one point I don't. I just want to give up.

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It's hard for you. Yeah.

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Come on, let's go.

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Hold my hand. Hold on my hand. Come.

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It's probably play time or lunchtime. Yeah.

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I hope that it will be play time because I like play. Of course.

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And over three hours later, it's nearly 11:00 AM at school.

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Hello, again. Good afternoon. How are you? Good. Thank you so much, Connie. This is your new home then, at the moment? Yeah, at the moment, yeah.

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This is for emergency houses.

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This is emergency housing? Yeah. It's classed as emergency housing. Okay. So you're still in limbo?

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Yeah. They say, We don't know for how long. Really? Yeah. I asked this person, This for how long? So they say, Minimum two months. We don't know for how long. They I'm not going to be here.

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Oh, okay. So you're in the same situation? Same situation, yeah. They could move you anywhere?

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Yeah, they could move you anywhere.

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After six months in Corby- Throw it to me. Abdulla's family have just been moved to Hounslow. Still an hour's drive to their school in Harrow. Cheeky, cheeky monkey. But back in London.

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It's better than where we used to live.

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This family is one of the lucky ones. How bad was it for you in Corby?

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It was bad, I guess, because my siblings, each week we'd have to go to, they would get sick and stuff like that because the house was dirty.

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None of this, though, is permanent.

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That's the thing. You don't know. You can't put roots down, isn't it?

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Yeah, we have to go to that thing.

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You never know where they're going to put us next. Our house in Harrow, it was small, but it was home.

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Harro Council say they're also facing unprecedented demand. Average rents rising by over 10.5%, making it harder to find affordable accommodation, and it's the same with emergency accommodation. Seven months on, nothing's changed for Nadret.

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They don't have much space for them.

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Still in the same room.

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Yeah, McRoy is not working as well.

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It's not working?

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Basically, I'm without money at the moment. I can't take my kids to school. I can't buy them any food. This has been my all credits cut out full. I still can't work out how I am in that difficult position. It's so hard that you can't find no money for the food or for travel, for something. I never had a hard time.

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And it's taking its toll.

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For me, there is some starving night. When I'm in bed, sometimes me and her can't sleep because we're starving. My mom can't do anything. My teachers are complaining at me in class saying, Ebru, why are you not concentrating? I just sit like that because I'm in the back corner. Then my teachers are saying, Ebru, wake up. I can't sleep. It's too smelly. Some things bite me.

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The school have suggested they move.

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51% attendance.

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Student doesn't see, that's it.

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I can't do anything about it. It's just so much on my mind.

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There's no space in any school in here. I don't have no car. I don't have no housing here. I don't have nothing. I don't have no money in a bank. What What can I do?

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Sky News has found the number of families sent out of area into temporary accommodations gone up by nearly a quarter across England.

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I'm trying to remain within North London.

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Despite Sabrine finding a rental only with family help.

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I don't know about my future, what I'm doing.

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For others, it's almost impossible.

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They might send you outside the London again.

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Moved from one place to another.

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My health is day by day going worse.

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Families in perpetual limbo.

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So life expectancy is not long. No, no.

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When we finish, you finish.

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And until then you're fighting for a hope for your children?

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Yeah, for my children.

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It makes me feel really sad, genuinely, but I don't have any hope anymore. The therapist, she just gives me kind words. She's telling me you'll get through this, but I don't think so at all.