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This is life in Rwanda, a country over 6,000 miles away from the UK, now a key player in its political future with questions around its safety blocking the government's plans to deport migrants here.

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What's striking is just how clean Kagalians by any standard and how well organized it seems. It also does, on the surface, feel incredibly safe. But the question.

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Is.

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Who is it safe for?

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Safe in terms of guns or whatever? Yes, we are safe. We don't have a war. That one we can travel in the night, that is safe. But we have food insecurity.

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This emergency transit center is what the UK and Rwandan governments have cited as a precedent to their deal. Nearly 2,000 asylum seekers have been evacuated here from Libya since 2019, and none of them have chosen to settle in Rwanda. These men tell us they are relieved to have escaped extreme anti-migrant violence. No matter how many years you stay in Libya, you never feel safe, says Al-Thaib from Sudan. They're waiting to be resettled to third countries like Canada and Finland. I want to go to a country that's safe where I can have a future, says Hamid, who's from Eritrea. Would you stay here, I ask? No, it's just a stop on the way..

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What would you tell someone who said to you, I'm coming to Rwanda to start my life and live here permanently? What would you say?

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Well, I tell him if you have many resources for money, yeah, come, no problem. But if you start in the beginning, I tell him not come.

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And inside, a yell of disbelief. As I tell the women here that the UK is still pushing to send migrants to Rwanda.

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After they exhausted themselves to cross the Sahara and the sea, and then to be sent back is devastating.

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Those relief here as people wait to fly out. But this isn't where those deported from the UK will be staying. It's back in Kagali at the Hope Hostel, blockbooked by the UK since May of last year.

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It does feel eerie empty, waiting for asylum seekers to come from the UK. But it wasn't always empty. It was actually built to house the survivors of the 1994 genocide who'd lost their families.

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The hotel was accommodated around over 220 orph.

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By May of last year, how many were living here?

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It's around of 22, but they are already graduated.

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The residents, all adults were evicted to make room for the UK deporters and given some money to rehouse themselves by the Rwandan government who are still working with the UK to make the deal happen.

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We're offering a home to people. We're comfortable with that. And we would never have entered this partnership if we weren't sure that we can successfully offer people a good place to live in a place where we've worked really hard to make sure that the country is functional, that people are safe. Rwanda is one of the safest countries in the world.

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Rwanda's safety depends on who you ask. For those fleeing Libya, it's a temporary haven, but for those who have already reached the UK, it's nowhere near where they strive to be. Yusten Al-Bair, Skye News, Rwanda.