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Hey, and welcome to the ShortStuff. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck. And I can say with 100% certainty that neither one of us went down with the Titanic.

That's true.

Try to dispute that fact. You can't do it.

Yeah, we're talking a little bit. I know we did an episode on the Titanic, but I don't know that we really dug into the data of survivors. I can't remember why I was looking at this, but it might have just been a story that came my way, but I just thought it was interesting to look a little bit about not the ones who perished, but the people who survived and who were these people.

Yeah, it's always about the ones that perished.

Yeah. Leo slipping under the cold murky depths. So blue. Even though he could have fit on that door.

Totally. It was ridiculous, but still, it was a great ending. Yeah. Well, let's just go over the basic facts here, right? Titanic, it left Southampton, England, for New York City on April 10th, 1912. Four days later, April 14th, maybe three days. I can't remember if it was right before the 14th or right before the 15th. I really me standard there.

I think it's the night of the 14th, so it went into the 15th. Okay, so four days- If we got that wrong, I feel dumb.

Four days into this cruise aboard, seriously, what was the most luxurious luxury liner? And there were plenty of luxury liners. This was the cream of the crop. With 2,240 people on board, 900 of which were crew, it struck an iceberg, and within less than three hours, the whole ship, the massive ship, had completely submerged, sunk.

That's right. If you're looking at the overall survival rates, women survived, obviously, more than men pretty significantly. Seventy-four % of the female passengers survived, 20 % of the male passengers, obviously because of the notion of women and children first, which has always been the calling card of any situation, disaster situation. And not only the literally Captain Edward John Smith making that an order in the EVAC process, but just the general idea that you're going to prioritize the women and children.

Yeah, and they actually did. Instinctively, yeah. It's nice to see. You can say, just statistically speaking, they definitely did. Seventy-four % of female passengers did survive, but only 20 % of male passengers survived. So you're like, Oh, great. Let's call it a day. It ended just great as far as those things go. Call it a day. The thing is, if you start digging into the classes, there's some disparities that emerge that are a little disturbing. And by a little, I mean pretty disturbing and sad.

Yeah. So there were three classes aboard, first, second, and third, and then the crew members, and they go as follows. 62% of the first-class passengers survived for a couple of reasons. Obviously, they were prioritized just because, unfortunately, that's how it worked back then, maybe still how it works a little bit. You're given priority on those lifeboats, but also just because of the sheer fact that when you're up on a higher floor, you're going to be closer to those lifeboats. You're going to be able to get there quicker and get information relayed to you quicker. Yes.

Plus, all of them are automatically enrolled in the Titanic's VIP life saving members club policy. So the second class passengers, they didn't fare quite as well, but still not that bad. 43 3% of them survived. Actually, it's pretty bad. The reason why is for the opposite reasons of what you just said. They were further away from the lifeboats. The crew paid less attention to helping them get off of the Titanic and onto those lifeboats. And so, yeah, more than half of the people in second class died. And I saw that second... So something I saw about this is that the third class passengers, which we'll talk about in a second, they actually had little cabins that were nicer than second class accommodations on other liners.

Oh, yeah.

But that the second class passengers had the the the the jankiest because for some reason not all of the second class cabins got finished because Titanic's construction was so rushed.

Oh, interesting.

And apparently there were reports of people who were in second class that were finding half-eaten sandwiches that the workmen had left behind. That's how recently it was completed.

I wonder if they were... That's remarkable, first First of all. I wonder if they were like, We got two crews. Let's start building from the top and from the bottom. And then they ran out of time in the middle.

Man, I was on a flight. You mean I went to Dominican Republic years ago? It was one of those ones where you walk out on the tarmac and climb the stairs to board.

Oh, yeah.

I've never seen this before in my life. But the ground crew opened the front and the side door and said, Have at it. And so people had no idea which door to go up and were having to pass one another in the middle of the airplane, trying to get to their seats. It was the dumbest boarding I've ever seen in my life. It still takes my breath away. I couldn't believe it was going on. It was just absolutely hilarious.

You knew who also I wonder if I should name this person. Is that bad to say that someone had a VIP experience that you witnessed?

Is this about Hodgman? It has to be.

No. Usher.

Okay, what about him?

When I got on my flight coming home from our Christmas vacation to the Bahamas, we were just about to step onto the plane, literally, and the airline employees were like, Whoa, you guys move to the side. And this group of about 20 people, they just shuttle by us, which I wasn't like, What's going on here? I was just like, What's going on here? I was just more like, This is weird. Who are they? I get on the plane, and the very first person I see is Usher sitting there on the front first row.

After that was Benjamin Franklin.

I was like, Usher didn't walk by us in that crew. He was already on the plane. Interesting. Thought about it a little bit on the flight. And then when we get to Atlanta, Usher's up in front of us, obviously. And he takes a left out of that door where you put your baby stroller and doesn't walk up the jetway. And I was like, What's going on? And I looked out of that door and there were probably 15 Matt black BMW sitting on the tarmac.

Oh, neat.

I was like, Oh, usher doesn't even have to walk through an airport.

No.

I guess you could pay for that experience.

Oh, yeah, for sure. I'm a gog that he even flew commercial. If you're doing that stuff, why wouldn't you just fly private?

We asked ourselves that same question. He clearly is paying for a lot of his family and extended family to take this awesome vacation. Okay. There were so many people, it It seems like it would have been more cost-effective to probably rent a plane.

Yeah, you'd think so. Come on, not sure. Let's get it together.

But they weren't sitting in first class. He had his family back there and coach.

Really? Most of them.

That's hilarious. I think I saw a few in Delta comfort, but There you go. But he was up there with his wife.

He didn't fly private because he was sacrificing for his family members because he didn't want to fly them private.

Yeah. I don't be grand. Good for him. If he can afford that, more power to you.

Man, who thought Usher was going to make an appearance in this Titanic survivor short stuff.

Not me at all. Maybe an usher, but not the usher. Sure.

Let's real quick before we take a break, go through. Third Class.

Oh, jeez. Is that where we were? Yeah.

They were the worst off of all. Only 26% of people in third class, 174 out of 709 passengers, survived.

The rest was dead. I just should point out that that's obviously due to them being lower, but then also they're not prioritized, and they're not getting... They didn't even bother telling them what to do, basically. They were like, Figure it out yourself. And they may not have even understood, Figure it out yourself in a lot of cases, because as we know, from our good friend in the Titanic movie. I can't remember his name.

Billy Zane?

Leo's Italian buddy.

Giuseppe?

Was that his name?

I don't remember.

He had that. I don't think the guy was really Italian, but a lot of times, those third-class passengers on the Titanic may not have spoken English, so there was a language barrier on top of everything. Right.

Yeah, ironically, that actor was Native American, playing an Italian person.

He cried when he saw trash in the ocean.

So you said one more thing, though, that they're in the lower decks. It's not just harder to get up to the upper decks in the lifeboats. That's also the first area to flood with seawater when a ship strikes an iceberg, right?

Yeah.

Crew members, actually, only 24% of the crew members survive. That's actually- The lowest number. A heartfelt number because most of them died saving other people's lives.

Yeah.

Let's take a break and we'll come back and run through some notable survivors. How about that?

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All right, We promise talk of notable survivors.

We have a good list here, but we're just going to pick and choose some of our faves, so I'll go first, if I may.

Yes, please.

The first person I'm going to pick is a little baby, a nine-week-old baby named Milvina Dean, the youngest survivor of the Titanic. I did a little more research on Milvina. Milvina was from England. Her parents ran a pub and decided They wanted to move to Kansas. I think they had family in Kansas, or maybe it was Missouri. I can't remember. One of the two. And either way, they were immigrating to the US. They sold their pub. Dad bought a third-class family ticket. Ironically, they were not even supposed to be on the Titanic. Like a lot of the passengers, there was a coal strike that relocated them to the Titanic. When the incident happened, when the iceberg was struck, dad instructed the family to go up to the lifeboats. They survived, mom, brother, and little nine-week-old Milvina. Sadly, dad did not survive. They went back to England afterward because they didn't really... Just the mom and the two kids went back to what was more familiar. She ended up being the oldest living survivor, just died in 2009 at 97 years old. One other quick thing, she did not even know she was a passenger on the Titanic until she was eight years old.

Oh, wow.

Yeah. Crazy. That's a good one, Chuck. I got one. What you got? There's a very famous survivor, a woman named Margaret Molley Brown.

The Unsinkable.

Yes, very famously dubbed the Unsinkable Molly Brown, because not only did she survive the Titanic, she was instrumental in helping organize the survivors aboard the Carpathia. She helped with language barriers. She was originally from Ireland, so she was able to speak to some of the Irish immigrants who didn't speak English. And not only that, she raised $10,000, which is equal to about $320,000 today among the first-class passengers to help the second and third class passengers who had lost family members before the Carpathia even reached New York.

Oh, wow.

Yeah. The other notable thing about her, and there's plenty of notable things, but The press dubs her the Unsinkable Molly Brown. She never used the name Molly in her entire life. It was always Margaret.

I didn't know that was even a nickname.

Yeah, the Unsinkable Molly. Molly for Margaret? Yeah. I didn't know that either. I thought Molly was just Molly.

Yeah, me too.

Or E.

Come on. All right, I've got a couple here that are linked, a gentleman named Carl with a K bear, and a gentleman named Dick Norris Richard Norris, Williams III. I mentioned these guys together because they were both tennis players, tennis stars. I believe Carl Bear was traveling with his fiancé, Helen Newsom, or maybe they weren't engaged yet, but she became his wife at some point. No, they were engaged. He did help her onto a lifeboat. They were separated, but he got a spot on a different lifeboat. Richard Norris-Williams II was traveling with his father. They were separated, but he was rescued. I didn't see about his father.

Yeah, I didn't either.

But Williams was rescued. Again, I mentioned them together because they ended up competing against one another post-Titanic on the tennis court.

Isn't that nuts?

Pretty crazy. I'm sure some wiseacre said something about it being a Titanic of a match or something.

Yeah, I'm sure. I've got one more, and then how about you do one more?

No, let's just finish up with yours. Oh, okay. This is a shorty.

Well, now I have to choose. Okay. There's a woman named Edith Rosenbaum-Russell. At the time, she was just Edith Rosenbaum. She became a fashion journalist and a fashion buyer. Had she not survived, the pantsuit might never have been invented. But what she's famous for is that she had a toy pig that she brought with her that her mother had given her while she was grieving the loss of her husband, who had died in an auto accident, like a year or two before. She carried this toy pig her everywhere, Edith did. And she said that she was spending time locking her trunks because just in case the ship went down, she wanted them to float or she didn't want people stealing from them. She didn't plan on getting out of the Titanic at all. But some random crew member grabbed the pig from her arm and said, If you're not going to save your baby, I will, and threw the pig into one of the lifeboats. And so Edith said she She realized very clearly that that was a sign that her mother would want her to survive because her mother had given her the pig.

So she followed the pig into the lifeboat and survived. And now the pig is in the National Maritime Museum in London.

That's right.

Isn't that neat? You You know what?

I am going to mention one more just quickly because I thought you were going to pick this guy. But we should mention that Bruce Ismey, who was the managing director of the White Star Line that ran the Titanic, he survived. It was a guy in the movie. It was played Jonathan Hyde. Obviously, he got a lot of, obviously, got a lot of criticism. It was on one of the last Lifeboats, but still people were like, Hey, women and children are perishing, and the guy who runs the whole show gets himself on a lifeboat. You should have prioritized other people's safety. So he didn't have the best reputation after that.

But you know what that means.

Is Shorty stuff out? Yeah.

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