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Hi, I'm Michael Rappaport.

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And I'm Keby Rappaport.

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Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. Where you been?

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Is that our new slogan?

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I guess.

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Okay, I like it.

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Okay, let's move forward.

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Maybe they've been cutting ice.

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Yeah, maybe. Riding around in a zamboni because that's what you call those things no matter what, right?

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That's true. An ice resurfacer or a resurfacing machine It is a proprietary eponym, Zamboane, much like a bandaid. It is the name of one company, but it seems like there are two big players among the ice resurfacing juggernaut. That is Zamboane, And then the Olympia, which is made by the Resurface Corporation.

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Yeah, but they cleverly spelled Resurface with a I instead of a A at the end, so Resurface. Yeah. Love it.

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I love it.

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And Zambooney is named after a single visionary man. Technically, three men, two, I guess. Let's just go with Frank. Frank J. Zambooney is widely credited as the inventor of the Zambooney or the ice resurfacing machine. And the reason why is because he invented it.

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That's right. We go back to 1940 when Frank Zambooney and Lawrence Zamboni, his brother and their cousin, said, Hey, let's open up an ice skating rink. We're in the ice business anyway. We have an ice and refrigeration plant, so we know how to make plenty of ice. Let's just spread that out over a floor and contain it and charge people to skate on it.

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Yeah. They said, That's a really good idea. Apparently, it was extremely popular. The problem is when you have people skating on a rink of ice, it gets cut up pretty quickly. There's like divots and scratches, and it looks terrible. It looks messy. So you want to make it look good again, and you have to resurface it. And And servicing is a process. It's actually what zambonis do, as we'll see. But originally, before the zamboni was invented, for the first couple of years that they own the ice rink, Frank and Lawrence and the unnamed cousin had to do this by hand. So they would get a tractor that would drag like a blade that would shave the top of the ice. Then you have people following in the tractor's wake, cleaning up ice shavings, wetting the ice again, and then towing it up to make it smooth. And the whole thing would take like an hour and a half just for this one ring.

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Yeah, it's pretty bad. And I know, I think you were joking when you said it looks terrible, so they need to make it look good. The problem with chopped ice, of course, is you can't skate on it very well at all.

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Well, that too. Yeah.

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So, yeah, taking way too long, too much human hours, too many hands involved. So Frank was like, Hey, listen, I was born into a family that made and worked on farming equipment. I We know how to make stuff and fix stuff, and so I'm going to build a machine. Frank Zamboni built the Model A Zamboni ICE resurfacer in 1949. Look up a picture of this thing when you get a chance. It's really cool looking. It looks like you would think a Model A Zamboni might look, which is to say, like an army Jeep with a big wooden bin on top of it. It looks like a little mechanical ladder, I guess, that brought ICE Yes.

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So the reason it looked like a Jeep is because it was built on top of a Jeep chassis. They basically just cut the top off and built the rest of the Zamboni on top of it. They also used parts from an oil derrick and the hydraulic cylinder from a Douglas aircraft fighter plane. And I don't know if we mentioned or not, but Frank Jay Zamboane was a mechanical genius.

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Yeah, I did.

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Okay, good. Well, I second that. So this was 1949. That was the first Zamboni. And what's interesting is the ads clearly show know essentially what looked like would have been the prototype. So that's what the first Zambonis were like. So it took a few years to really catch on, but they had some pretty big customers because what they were doing was providing a solution that was way more widespread than you probably would have thought. Anybody who made any money from ice, skating on ice, really was facing all these same problems. So the idea of a machine that could do this in a fraction of the time, at a fraction of the human hours, that was a big advancement in the field.

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Yeah. I know. When people complain about machines taking over jobs that people did, sometimes it's a really good idea.

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Yeah, no one was complaining about this one.

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No. Some of their early clients were the Boston Bruins and the Chicago Blackhawks of the NHL, Figure Skater, Sonja Hinnie, of course. And in 1967, they said, Things are going so well, we're going to open up a second factory in Ontario because they were turning out those Zambones at a pretty good clip, even though it's the thing that requires a lot of maintenance, though. It's usually the thing you hope to buy once.

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Yeah, and one of the things that seems to have really boosted the company's image is they were the official ICE resurviser for the 1960 Winter Olympics in Squaw Valley. And that really, I think, sealed the deal for everybody. Then they also went to the Soviet Union with icecapades in 1967, too. So the '60s were a big decade for the Zamboony Company.

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Should we take a break?

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Yeah, because we're going to come back because there's plenty of decades after the '60s. That's right.

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We'll be right back.

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Since those early zambonies, they've changed quite a bit. Ice resurficers, in general, over the years, just gotten better and better. They're still making improvements. There's one coming down the pike soon that's even more advanced than the last. Oh, yeah? Sure. They're always trying to make these things a little bit better, run a little cleaner.

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That's so zambony.

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How these things actually work is exactly of how they did it by hand, but a machine is doing it. You're basically just giving the surface of the ice a shave with a blade. The blade is about 77 to 96 inches, depending on the size of the machine. The NHL says, Just give me a real close trim, like a 132nd of an inch down. You don't have to scrape too much. The total ice from an NHL rink, let's that you would scrape off is about 60 cubic feet.

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Yes. On either side of the blade are up to four comfort strips that give a close and comfortable shave.

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Not buying that one.

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That's generally the main thing that's going on. You're trimming the ice. But the problem is when you trim ice, there's still little divots. It's not smooth necessarily. It's just uniform. So what the Zamboni does is it sprays water out in front of the blade, and that water is picked up by the Zamboni itself, mixed up, I think, with the water or the snow that it picks up or the ice it generates. You just call it snow. And then out of the rear, they put down new water, warm water, that remelts the ice. And then they have essentially a Squeegie at the back that smooths the whole thing over, which if that sounds familiar, that is what humans did. They just figured out how to put all those things into a machine.

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Yeah. And you know what? It's even better than that.

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Okay.

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Because that snow that they're picking up gets melted and goes into a tank and gets washed to be reused. It's a beautifully elegant closed-loop system.

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That makes sense because you're cleaning up the ice, you're collecting it as snow, as ice shavings, and then you're laying down more water to refreeze. It would make sense to just make the whole thing as closed a system as possible.

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Yeah, and they're heavy. If it's a hole of water, again, depending on the machine, you can go anywhere between 7,000 to 11,000 pounds total weight, and they hold anywhere from 210 or so to about 265 gallons of water.

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Yeah. You said that they are always innovating. One of the things that's really become a thing in the ice resurfacing world is electric ice resurficers, which is a really good step forward because most Most of the time, they're resurfacing ice in an enclosed ice rink. Have you ever been to a skating rink when they're resurfacing the ice and it's not an electric, Sam Boney?

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Yeah, I played hockey for a couple of years.

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Okay, so you know, the whole place stinks of car exhaust and somehow hot pretzels. I don't know how every single ice rink in the world smells like the hot pretzels that they sell. It, for some reason, really carries. It's a very distinct I love it.

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Interesting. I never noticed that.

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Check it out next time. I'll bet you'll be like, Oh, my God, it really smells like hot pretzels.

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I haven't skated in a while. It got pretty good for a little while, but it's been a minute.

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Did you? Yeah.

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We got into it locally here. A friend of mine worked at a rink, and they called it stick time, which is basically after-hours. Hockey players could pay 10 bucks to go up there and just play pickup games. Cool. And so we all got into it and got gear, and I was never any good at it, but I got to where I could skate okay a little bit and move around a little bit. It's very hard.

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I was a shameful skater, considering I grew up in Ohio, where ponds just froze completely solid all the time. Weak ankles, I guess.

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So Zamboni, we mentioned it being a proprietary epinem, that giveth and taketh away, because it's great when people just call any ice a resurface or a Zamboni. Not so great when you don't win the contract to the Winter Olympics, which is what happened in 2010 in Vancouver, when those Olympia machines won the contract and those machines multifunctioned. And all over the news, they're talking about the fact that the Zamboanis aren't working.

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Yeah, and Zamboni actually released a press release saying, Hey, those are not Zamboni brand machines. And in fact, Zambonis got trucked in to finish the job. Job after the Olympia machines just stopped working. I guess it was just a catastrophe. I read an interview from the time, and it was like, You're on the world stage, and your stuff is not working well, so the Olympics are on hold right now because your machine isn't doing the job.

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I was trying to picture a press conference instead of just a press release, where they were like, We shut down now. We want to make it clear. These are not Zamboanies. These are ice resurficers. They are not Zamboanies. And the press is like, Right, but what's actually wrong with the Zamboanies? They're like, No, they aren't Zamboanies. Just over and over and over.

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And he gets so frustrated that his nose starts bleeding. He goes, Somebody hand me a Kleenex. Oh, my God.

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Amazing.

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Chuck, I say we wrap this whole one up because we basically reach the end here, don't you think?

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Yeah, we should mention price. These things are very expensive. The cheapest one that you actually need a tractor to drag this thing around is about 10 grand. I saw Zamboni say that they can go up above 500,000 sometimes. Wow.

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That's the gold-plated one.

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If you look up Zamboni price, there are a lot of articles from smaller towns, like civic organizations that are saying, Do we have $165,000 to allocate toward a Zamboni for city rink.

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I mean, yeah, that's a lot of money.

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It's a big expenditure, yeah.

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The most expensive one only functions with Avian that has been used to wash Shannon Dawardy's hair. That's why it's so expensive.

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I'm not buying that either.

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So I say ShortStuff's out. What do you say?

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I say it's out.

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