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Let's kick things off with America's happiest felon, Donald Trump. He's ahead in the polls, but he's not resting on his laurels. He's at rallies talking about the issues that matter.

The other day, I got very angry. Some man called Chris Christie He's not a fat. And I said, Sir. And then he said he was a pig. I said, Sir, Chris Christie is not a fat pig. Please remember, a waitress came over. A beautiful waitress, and I never like talking about physics because she's beautiful inside. I I don't even order bacon anymore. You know, bacon has gone up like five. I said, It's too expensive. I don't want it. I don't want it. Byron likes bacon. Sleepy Joe also declared that he wanted to test his skills and stamina against mine on the golf Of course, and I will even give Joe Biden 10 strokes aside. Ten strokes, that's a lot.

Joke's on you, Donald Trump. Joe Biden's already had 10 strokes. But yes, if you missed Donald Trump's rally yesterday, he had very important things to say, like Biden sucks at golf, Chris Christie is fat, and once I saw a hot waitress.

I have to say this was the first time I ever heard Trump talk about a woman's inner beauty. Maybe he's maturing. Either that or he thinks there's more boobs to find on the inside. Of course, it wasn't all boobs and bacon, which, coincidentally, is the title of my memoir coming this Christmas. Trump did touch on some important issues in a very dramatic way, and to be clear, we did not add this music.

We are a nation where fentanyl and all other forms of illegal drugs are easier to get than groceries to feed our beautiful families and babies. Mothers will never again be forced to watch their children overdosing and hostile, and we will never allow mothers to watch their child hopelessly dying in their arms screaming, What can I do? What can I do? Help me, God, what can I do?

Never thought I'd say this, but I miss him talking about the hot waitress.

Help me, God, what can I do? I mean, what chilling words about the opioid crisis, which were slightly undercut by the crisis he moved on to in the very next sentence.

What What can I do? What can I do? Help me, God, what can I do? We are a nation whose once revered airports are a dirty, crowded mess. You sit and wait for hours and then are notified that the plane won't leave, that they have no idea when they will.

Wow, what a smooth transition from, There's blood in the streets to, And why do I have to check my bags at the They're killing us with fentanyl, and I'm in boarding Group 6?

Now, the reason why Trump is having a blast on the campaign trail is because his opponent, Joe Biden, whose poll numbers are hovering somewhere between, Uh-oh and, Oh, shit. But worry not, Biden's team has a plan. Tomorrow, he'll hold a press conference to show that he's fully in charge of all his faculties. Unfortunately, their branding that felt that they were losing their holds on American life, losing their traditional power in American life. I think abortion rights were one way that they thought they could return the country to where it was before. It is this larger fight, and we're seeing that play out now in efforts around IVF, around some forms of contraception. This This is, of course, about abortion, but it's about so much more than just abortion.One of the things that I really appreciated about this book is you go through the back stories of all of these characters. You don't paint them as heroes and villains. You talk about Leonard Leo from the Federalist Society and talk about how he personally was affected, what formed his fate.Leonard Leo, devout Catholic, obviously legal mastermind, but the story that motivated him the most is the death of his daughter when she was 14. Their first born daughter had a very difficult prenatal diagnosis. They decided to give birth and raise her. And when we talked with him, he talked a lot about suffering and his views motivated by Catholic theology, about suffering and salvation in the human experience. And so for him, that really shaped not only how he wanted to run his own family, but how he sees how the entire country and world should be structured.For a lot of these anti-abortion activists, those two worlds are intertwined. This isn't a story that you can understand just through politics or just through religion. These are intertwined stories. I think that's part of what we really tried to get out at the book was tell those intertwined stories in a way that reflected the intimate. This is such an intimate issue that reflected that intimacy and how personal it is for these people. Look, it's something that everyone understands. If you've had a baby, if you were with someone who had a baby, if you were a baby at some level, you inherently understand how this works and what this is about. I think it's not the issue that even for the most committed activists that can be disconnected or rooted just in politics.I mean, this book talks about the successes of the activists. A lot of them are the grassroots activists on the right. What were the failings of the left in this fight?Well, look, I think there was this profound sense of denial across the left. In some ways, that's reasonable. It's really hard to believe that this right that people had for generations could suddenly just vanish. Because of that, Democrats, they would always go out, Democratic candidates, and warn about threats to Roe or Roe could fall. People just didn't believe them. We have in the book tons of polling and focus groups where the issue just didn't resonate with people because they didn't believe it would happen. It's hard to see and prevent something that you don't think is happening. Then, of course, they got very, very unlucky. Trump won, and he got three appointments to the Supreme Court, unheard of since Ronald Reagan. There becomes a turning point where the march to end row effectively becomes unstoppable for Democrats and the abortion rights activists.Part of the civil rights activists were rooted in the Christian community. Where's the disconnect? Why have liberals not been able to connect with the Christian community since then?Well, conservative Christians figured out that this It wasn't really about cultural opinion. A majority of Americans supported abortion rights for decades. But for them, this was about finding ways to pull the levers of power. You can do all the moral conversation, education that you want on either side of this. But if you don't have power, you can't do anything. So they figured out exactly what levers, where in the country, at what levels of government, from the the smallest State House lobbyists all the way up to the presidency, the Supreme Court. They identified them, they pulled them, and then they're able to change the culture that way, right? Instead of having culture change the law.Yeah, look, I think we think of politics as working one way. People protest, public opinion changes, politicians respond, the culture changes. This is a really different story. A majority of America supported Roe for decades. But these activists on the right, these conservative Christian activists were able to seize controls of these levers of power and change the culture effectively through force.Now, take a step back into what's happening now. We see the Republican platform seems to be softening on abortion, at least not articulating that they want a federal ban. We see what happened with Mifafristone at the Supreme Court. Do you see a recalculation happening?Two different things are happening at once here. Obviously, Trump and a lot of Republican leaders see that this is now a losing issue for them. Roe was a foundation for so long. Republicans were able to use it in a certain way to motivate key parts of their base, and that's obviously really changed. But now, things we think of as maybe losses for the anti-abortion movement, they're able to reframe and see them as wins. I mean, even the platform can be doing whatever it's doing, right?In.Their minds.In.Their minds. But they're on the ground thinking in these generational long terms of how they can change the groundwork similarly to how they overturned Roe. They're thinking long term about what does this mean for how we can restrict IVF? What does this mean for access to some forms of birth control? That is such a different long game than Democrats are playing. So in a way, it is definitely a power struggle right now. The two movements, the anti-abortion activists and the Republican Party, needed each other to to gain power and to accomplish their mutual goals. We're seeing that as a tension. But this is a movement that cannot be under counted. They accomplished one of the biggest political resurgences this country has ever seen, and under the noses of people, many of whom just weren't paying attention.Where do you feel... Where do we go from here? I mean, are women going to have to just run for President and have presidential immunity in order to legally have an abortion? Is that where we are?I mean, it is worth pointing out that many of the most prominent figures in the anti-abortion movement are women, that there was a strategy to put women at the front of that movement. I think I've asked a lot of abortion rights activists that very question, what happens now? It took 50 years for a row to fall. How many years does it take for it to return? Nobody knows. It's an unanswerable question, but nobody's saying one year. Nobody's saying five years. This is 10 years. This is 20 years. There's no magic wand. President Biden talks about restoring Roe. There's no way to do that without a margin in the Senate that feels almost impossible unless they overturn the filibuster and then all agree on what that looks like, which, as we know about the Senate, that's an extremely high bar. There's no easy answer here. There's not some thing that can just snap back in place and Roe returns. I think the country is in for many more decades of wrangling over this issue.For the disheartened folks who see this story, What can they take away? What positive change can they make?Look, I think one of the things that was most powerful for the anti-abortion was this sense of denial. They did something because nobody believed they could do it. And that's been really shattered now. I think there's a lot more awareness of what's going on. I think people are paying a lot more attention to what's happening, not only with abortion rights, but with things like IVF and some forms of contraception. Like all political issues, I think this is one of engagement and awareness. I do wonder if we're... I do think we're seeing more of that now.There's this question of, can Democrats respond with any generational plan in the way that Republicans had? I mean, it was just... No.I Yeah. Do you need an answer?No, please. That was the-Oh, yeah.Now we know. We've answered that.I mean, this is asymmetrical warfare. It has been for a very long time. There's a real question. Even people like Hillary Clinton told us that the Democrats just don't have the same infrastructure on their side. There's an open question as to, are they thinking just in election cycles or are they thinking about one generation, two generations from now?Well, we so appreciate all of the work that you're doing and you being on here tonight. We're still hopeful that there will be your next book, The Rerise of Row, putting out a...All the good prayers for that.Get the sequel going. We're going to get the sequel going.Thank you so much for being here. The Fall in the Row is available now. Elizabeth Dias and Lisa Lahrer. We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be right back after.Choosing a credit card can get overwhelming. A lot offer great perks like free burritos or access to fancy airport louanges, but they can also come with huge interest rates that cancel out those perks pretty quickly, especially on big purchases. If you want to knock down those rates but still get everyday perks like cashback, which you can totally use to buy burritos, Avon has a credit card that can help you do that. 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First Cut will keep close tabs on golf, while Beyond the Arc will follow the US men's basketball team on a quest for another gold. We need to talk now. We'll provide comprehensive coverage of women's athletes at the Olympic Games. Follow and listen to all CBS Sports podcast for free on the Odyssey app and wherever you get your podcast. That's our show for tonight.Before we go, tune in next week when we will be in Milwaukee for the RNC all week long.Yes. If you're in Milwaukee this Sunday, we'll be at Cathedral Square Park for InDog Cision 2024. Rescuing democracy. We're partnering with Madack, a local Milwaukee animal shelter and headcount with the hopes to get lots of pups adopted and humans registered to vote. So we will see you there. Now, here it is. Your bubble is in.Do you believe he's your right for your election? I'm not.I'm not explaining English to you. I'm not going to be making any statements about any of that right now in the hallway. 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that felt that they were losing their holds on American life, losing their traditional power in American life. I think abortion rights were one way that they thought they could return the country to where it was before. It is this larger fight, and we're seeing that play out now in efforts around IVF, around some forms of contraception. This This is, of course, about abortion, but it's about so much more than just abortion.

One of the things that I really appreciated about this book is you go through the back stories of all of these characters. You don't paint them as heroes and villains. You talk about Leonard Leo from the Federalist Society and talk about how he personally was affected, what formed his fate.

Leonard Leo, devout Catholic, obviously legal mastermind, but the story that motivated him the most is the death of his daughter when she was 14. Their first born daughter had a very difficult prenatal diagnosis. They decided to give birth and raise her. And when we talked with him, he talked a lot about suffering and his views motivated by Catholic theology, about suffering and salvation in the human experience. And so for him, that really shaped not only how he wanted to run his own family, but how he sees how the entire country and world should be structured.

For a lot of these anti-abortion activists, those two worlds are intertwined. This isn't a story that you can understand just through politics or just through religion. These are intertwined stories. I think that's part of what we really tried to get out at the book was tell those intertwined stories in a way that reflected the intimate. This is such an intimate issue that reflected that intimacy and how personal it is for these people. Look, it's something that everyone understands. If you've had a baby, if you were with someone who had a baby, if you were a baby at some level, you inherently understand how this works and what this is about. I think it's not the issue that even for the most committed activists that can be disconnected or rooted just in politics.

I mean, this book talks about the successes of the activists. A lot of them are the grassroots activists on the right. What were the failings of the left in this fight?

Well, look, I think there was this profound sense of denial across the left. In some ways, that's reasonable. It's really hard to believe that this right that people had for generations could suddenly just vanish. Because of that, Democrats, they would always go out, Democratic candidates, and warn about threats to Roe or Roe could fall. People just didn't believe them. We have in the book tons of polling and focus groups where the issue just didn't resonate with people because they didn't believe it would happen. It's hard to see and prevent something that you don't think is happening. Then, of course, they got very, very unlucky. Trump won, and he got three appointments to the Supreme Court, unheard of since Ronald Reagan. There becomes a turning point where the march to end row effectively becomes unstoppable for Democrats and the abortion rights activists.

Part of the civil rights activists were rooted in the Christian community. Where's the disconnect? Why have liberals not been able to connect with the Christian community since then?

Well, conservative Christians figured out that this It wasn't really about cultural opinion. A majority of Americans supported abortion rights for decades. But for them, this was about finding ways to pull the levers of power. You can do all the moral conversation, education that you want on either side of this. But if you don't have power, you can't do anything. So they figured out exactly what levers, where in the country, at what levels of government, from the the smallest State House lobbyists all the way up to the presidency, the Supreme Court. They identified them, they pulled them, and then they're able to change the culture that way, right? Instead of having culture change the law.

Yeah, look, I think we think of politics as working one way. People protest, public opinion changes, politicians respond, the culture changes. This is a really different story. A majority of America supported Roe for decades. But these activists on the right, these conservative Christian activists were able to seize controls of these levers of power and change the culture effectively through force.

Now, take a step back into what's happening now. We see the Republican platform seems to be softening on abortion, at least not articulating that they want a federal ban. We see what happened with Mifafristone at the Supreme Court. Do you see a recalculation happening?

Two different things are happening at once here. Obviously, Trump and a lot of Republican leaders see that this is now a losing issue for them. Roe was a foundation for so long. Republicans were able to use it in a certain way to motivate key parts of their base, and that's obviously really changed. But now, things we think of as maybe losses for the anti-abortion movement, they're able to reframe and see them as wins. I mean, even the platform can be doing whatever it's doing, right?In.

Their minds.In.

Their minds. But they're on the ground thinking in these generational long terms of how they can change the groundwork similarly to how they overturned Roe. They're thinking long term about what does this mean for how we can restrict IVF? What does this mean for access to some forms of birth control? That is such a different long game than Democrats are playing. So in a way, it is definitely a power struggle right now. The two movements, the anti-abortion activists and the Republican Party, needed each other to to gain power and to accomplish their mutual goals. We're seeing that as a tension. But this is a movement that cannot be under counted. They accomplished one of the biggest political resurgences this country has ever seen, and under the noses of people, many of whom just weren't paying attention.

Where do you feel... Where do we go from here? I mean, are women going to have to just run for President and have presidential immunity in order to legally have an abortion? Is that where we are?

I mean, it is worth pointing out that many of the most prominent figures in the anti-abortion movement are women, that there was a strategy to put women at the front of that movement. I think I've asked a lot of abortion rights activists that very question, what happens now? It took 50 years for a row to fall. How many years does it take for it to return? Nobody knows. It's an unanswerable question, but nobody's saying one year. Nobody's saying five years. This is 10 years. This is 20 years. There's no magic wand. President Biden talks about restoring Roe. There's no way to do that without a margin in the Senate that feels almost impossible unless they overturn the filibuster and then all agree on what that looks like, which, as we know about the Senate, that's an extremely high bar. There's no easy answer here. There's not some thing that can just snap back in place and Roe returns. I think the country is in for many more decades of wrangling over this issue.

For the disheartened folks who see this story, What can they take away? What positive change can they make?

Look, I think one of the things that was most powerful for the anti-abortion was this sense of denial. They did something because nobody believed they could do it. And that's been really shattered now. I think there's a lot more awareness of what's going on. I think people are paying a lot more attention to what's happening, not only with abortion rights, but with things like IVF and some forms of contraception. Like all political issues, I think this is one of engagement and awareness. I do wonder if we're... I do think we're seeing more of that now.

There's this question of, can Democrats respond with any generational plan in the way that Republicans had? I mean, it was just... No.

I Yeah. Do you need an answer?

No, please. That was the-Oh, yeah.

Now we know. We've answered that.

I mean, this is asymmetrical warfare. It has been for a very long time. There's a real question. Even people like Hillary Clinton told us that the Democrats just don't have the same infrastructure on their side. There's an open question as to, are they thinking just in election cycles or are they thinking about one generation, two generations from now?

Well, we so appreciate all of the work that you're doing and you being on here tonight. We're still hopeful that there will be your next book, The Rerise of Row, putting out a...

All the good prayers for that.

Get the sequel going. We're going to get the sequel going.

Thank you so much for being here. The Fall in the Row is available now. Elizabeth Dias and Lisa Lahrer. We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be right back after.

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It's been a three-year wait, but the Olympics are back, and the CBS Sports Podcast Network has you covered with everything happening in Paris. It's a new era for the US women's national team, and Attacking Third will tackle all the women's soccer action. First Cut will keep close tabs on golf, while Beyond the Arc will follow the US men's basketball team on a quest for another gold. We need to talk now. We'll provide comprehensive coverage of women's athletes at the Olympic Games. Follow and listen to all CBS Sports podcast for free on the Odyssey app and wherever you get your podcast. That's our show for tonight.

Before we go, tune in next week when we will be in Milwaukee for the RNC all week long.

Yes. If you're in Milwaukee this Sunday, we'll be at Cathedral Square Park for InDog Cision 2024. Rescuing democracy. We're partnering with Madack, a local Milwaukee animal shelter and headcount with the hopes to get lots of pups adopted and humans registered to vote. So we will see you there. Now, here it is. Your bubble is in.

Do you believe he's your right for your election? I'm not.

I'm not explaining English to you. I'm not going to be making any statements about any of that right now in the hallway. Explore more shows from The Daily Show podcast universe by searching The Daily Show wherever you get your podcasts. Watch The Daily Show weeknights at 11:10 Central on Comedy Central, and stream full episodes anytime on Paramount Plus.

Paramount Podcasts. Be greener and save with Panasonic. Time to save on energy bills with a Panasonic heat pump. Our Aquarius Service Plus ensures long life and top performance for your system.

System. Enjoy flexible payments and quick response times.

Search Panasonic heating and cooling solutions to learn more. Be green, be energy-efficient, and save with Panasonic.

It's been a three-year wait, but the Olympics are back, and the CBS Sports Podcast Network has you covered with everything happening in Paris. It's a new era for the US women's national team, and Attacking Third will tackle all the women's soccer action. First Cut will keep close tabs on golf, while Beyond the Arc will follow the US men's basketball team on a quest for for another gold. We need to talk now. We'll provide comprehensive coverage of women's athletes at the Olympic Games. Follow and listen to all CBS Sports podcast for free on the Odyssey app and wherever you get your podcast.