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Not too much. But you were here doing your piece, in my opinion, on Kamala as a DEI hire.

According to Republicans, Tim Walsh isn't a DEI hire because to them, every letter in DEI actually stands for the same thing, black, black, black, which means the real DEI candidate is Kamala Harris.

She's a diversity hire.

Of course, she's a DEI hire.

100%, she was a DEI hire.

An incompetent diversity hire. This woman, this disaster who's only qualification was having a vagina in the right skin color. That's right. Having dark skin in a vagina is an instant path to the oval office, all right? If you don't believe me, take it up with Ronald Reagan's black pussy, okay? Listen, man, this argument is so stupid to me. If being a woman or a minority was the golden ticket to getting ahead in politics, then President Andrew Yang would have already done Universal Basic Income, and President Kanye West would have already changed the national anthem to Gold Digger. The real jewel that I was trying to get across in the piece wasn't even the fact that Kamala is a DEI hire, because we know she's not a DEI hire. It's the fact that these media outlets, the CNN, the ABC News, the MSNBC, they take these silly racist attacks and center them as the point of the debate. So you'll go on these shows and they'll be like, Is Kamala Harris a DEI hire? Is Kamala Harris Black? Why are we discussing this? Why is there a whole roundtable of people having this conversation? Those are editorial choices that these news networks are making.

It's a bunch of people who go in a room and they Hey, this is what we're going to center today. This is what we're going to put on the lower third. This is what we're going to have people discuss for the next hour. And I just think that's a waste of time.

Talk about racial identity dominated the headlines. The claims about Vice President Harris's identity will probably make the most headlines.

What do you mean these claims will make the most headlines? Cnn, MSNBC, ABC, you're the ones who decide what the headlines are. These issues don't make headlines unless you put it in the headline. And none of these issues should be a headline. If a guy came up to me on the street saying, The vice president a chameleon. She can transform from Indian to Black. I see it. I'd be like, Well, God bless you, sir. Here's $2. I got to go. It just feels like, okay, do you watch Are you watching combat sports?

Do you watch any UFC? It feels like when there's a fight night, and this is across all combat sports, so it's not necessarily a UFC thing. It happens in boxing a lot, where they're trying to sell the fight, but one person clearly has more attributes than the other person. So then they will sell the fight by being like... And they'll do it in the highlight reels. They'll be someone that's good everywhere, and then the other person, they'll be like, And he kicks. Oh, he kicks. And here's the same clip of him kicking the same guy five times because they have 15 clips, the other guy doing all the other stuff. All types of stuff, yeah. But the other guy... Because they know that if they just say, And then this person sucks, you won't watch. Yeah. And that's what it feels like is that I know I'm on a TV show, but it feels like the news 24/7 has a season to get through. And so they use these things that are a little bit easy and they know it will spark conversation and they know it will get backlash and maybe lead to another piece that's easy for them to cover.

So then they're just trying to get by.

But they don't have to do that. They're the news. You turn on CNN because you want the news. You turn on MSNBC because you want the news. You turn on Fox when you want to be You turn on The Daily Show when you want to be entertained.

No, I think you're right. I just think that they don't realize that because once news and money become a energetic force where they're just like, I want to make sure as many people are watching as possible because of the ads, because of the sponsor numbers and everything. That is when you start to do some of the more salacious stuff. And so it's like, I think that it's a testament. Everything, even with Biden dropping out, it's a testament to the fact that they actually do know what's up outside of necessarily what's always presented on camera. And part of that hypocrisy is later, you'll see in a panel on CNN when a CNN contributor is like, Oh, I have all these people texting me from all around, from people in the campaign, from people, people, people, people, people Absolutely. You know what I mean? Absolutely. I think that it's also easy to just go wherever the conversation seems to be going. So rather than the news treating itself like a trendsetter, which it is, it's trying to follow the trend of the people, which is what turns it into entertainment, which is how you end up getting stories like this?

Yeah, they're competing. Well, number one, they're competing with all of these other outlets. And it's not even just other news networks now. It's really social media. I said a long time ago that radio, television, they'll never lead in breaking news stories ever again because it seems like everything breaks on social media. Even when you look at President Biden, when he dropped out, he didn't do a State of the Union. He didn't do some official press release to CNN. He just tweeted it. He's like, Niggas, I'm out on Twitter.

That's crazy. They also used to actually get mad at you if you did something like that, if you didn't break it with one of them because there used to be, just in general broadcasting, there used to be the big three, the big four. That's right. And if you went to one of the other ones, they get mad at you.

But you're going to get mad at Twitter? Yeah. You can't get mad at Twitter. You're going to get mad. Twitter is not even a news platform. I mean, it is, but it's not one of the big three, like you said. There's nobody to get mad at. The only thing they can do is like, Yo, President Biden just tweeted he's out of the race. Whatever we had planned for the rest of the day, it's over.

Yeah. Do you think then, okay, Do you think that the DEI higher aspect of the attacks on Kamala... This is, to me, one of the biggest issues that Republicans are having right now in not knowing how to attack Kamala and now Tim Walsh, is that it feels like Trump was very good at making everything a roast. And so now, because that was what was winning elections and making elections close, it feels like they cannot seem to get out of that. Do you think that that level of laziness around just being racist is going to hurt them in the long run, or do you think it plays to a certain base that needs to hear that?

I think the most interesting thing about having people like the vice President Kamala Harris in this position, it's impossible for Donald Trump or JD Vance or damn near any Republican to attack her without sounding racist and sexist. Because it's not like when Hillary was running, it was the same thing, but it was less because of the Clinton's history and the Clinton's legacy. That's fair. So he had so many different things to point at. He can't really do that with the vice President without sounding like a crazy conspiracy there. It's Now, think about it. He's done all of these different interviews, whether it was at the NABCJ or whether it was with Aiden Ross. And the only thing he can keep saying is that she pretended to be Indian one minute, pretended to be Black another minute, and that she's dumb? Yeah. He's not even attacking any policy. She was an AG, she was in the Senate. He hasn't bought up anything from that because there's really nothing there.

And it also, I think, we'll see when the actual election comes around, but it feels like most of the attacks on Kamala that they could bring up as a Republican campaign are things that would appeal to their own base. She's a prosecutor. She's a prosecutor. She was tough on crime, right?

That's the narrative. The narrative is she was tough on crime. If you actually dig into her record, you can see that she had a lot of progressive policies as well. It's nuanced, right? She's a prosecutor. She wasn't the most progressive prosecutor in the country, but she wasn't throwing people under the jail 100 miles per hour either.

Well, this is my thing with that, though, because now this is a critique of, I think, a Democratic base is that one of the things that became an issue for her in the 2020 Democratic primary is Top Cop. It's like, I understand that there are a lot of Democrats that don't like the idea of cops or don't like cops, but you do like the law.

Yeah. Who are you going to call when somebody breaks into your house? Ghostbusters? No. You're dialing 911.

Even past that, though, even past just the regular instances of dealing with the police in a community, what Democrat didn't sell to celebrate when Donald Trump was indicted, when he had to take his mug shot, when he was found guilty. That's right. That's what the legal system does. So it's like, I understand that there are aspects of the legal system that are incredibly fractured, flawed, and just straight up unjust. But then to put that on anybody who is a part of the system as a whole, no matter what they're doing, is like such a flawed logic that we don't need to do to ourselves.

Actually, I agree with you to a certain extent, but Donald Trump getting arrested, actually actually pissed off more people, right? If you already hated law enforcement, you probably ended up hating them more because he didn't get a mug shot at first in a lot of those cases, right? Yeah. He didn't get put in handcuffs. We didn't see him after do that perp walk, right? So it's like, oh, so they do treat people differently. We literally saw a white privilege or presidential privilege, whatever you want to call it. We saw it on full display. But it makes you dislike law enforcement even more because we know that you're treating somebody body different than you all would do us.

Yeah, especially when you don't really understand the reasoning. One of the jokes that we made around here before the actual indictments and stuff like that is like, Well, if he has to get fingerprinted and has to get his mug shot taken and Let's say he has to post a bond, does the Secret Service have to sit in there with him? And it didn't come to any of that. And I just, I don't know. I think that there are lines of attack that I'm almost waiting for the Republicans to to bring up that have to do with policy, but it does feel like they're so genuinely stuck in her being a Black woman and being of Indian descent, of all these things that are not material to whether or not she can do the job. It's because of what you said, literally.

The things that the left, our progressives, get upset about when it comes to the vice president, or even Black people, is the fact that she was a prosecutor, top cop, who allegedly locked up all these Black men for weed, which isn't true, right? If you're on the right, you can't attack her for that because you love cops. You love to see people prosecuted, and you love to see Negroes getting locked up. Yeah. So the only thing you could do is talk about her race. Like, a childless cat lady, she ain't got no kids.

Which also is a trip up because then she's been co-parenting with her husband, the kids that he had from a former marriage and everything. So now anyone who is a step parent of any capacity is looking at JD Vance saying stuff like that or Trump saying stuff like that, and they're like, Does he mean me?

Yeah. And if you're a woman, you're listening to them and you're like, You don't know why we don't want to have kids. Maybe physically, we're not capable. Maybe professionally, I chose not to have them. Maybe I've had a couple of abortions in my life that I don't want to think about. So now I'm triggered. You done triggered me on all levels by just calling me a childless cat lady and not even knowing what my circumstance is.

Yeah. And also treating it like a really small sliver of the general, like Electra as a whole, where it's like the amount of people who are deciding to not have kids is so substantial. Yes. I don't know. I'm blown away by it because you would think that with all the trolling and with all of the like, wrestle aspects of running a campaign, that they would have been chomping at the bit to get whoever. But they really did plan to just keep the same line for Biden, and that's it.

I saw Trump put on his true social account how he basically wants Biden to come back. It was unconstitutional how they removed him. And so he predicts that Biden is going to come back at the DNC Convention and say, No, I'm still in it.

I'm like, What? That's wild. And then also, these are also lines that I always found interesting, that a lot of the Republican narrative around Biden dropping out and then Kamla being the presumptive nominee and everything. They're telling it as if Biden was the hardline nominee, and there was nothing that anybody could do about it. And so then them bringing Kamla usurps democracy or something like that. But you were already Okay with Kamala being President if you were okay with her being vice President because we have an old President.

Yes. And that's what Republicans are another thing that they're getting wrong. And maybe Democrats aren't doing a good enough job explaining it. Maybe if these news outlets were reporting actual news and not arguing about whether Kamala is Black, they could explain it better. She was the vice President. He was a President that had to step down. Actually, maybe it's President Biden's fault because he didn't tell us why he stepped down. He should have maybe said, I'm not physically capable of doing the job anymore. I'm old. I'm sick. I can't do another four years. Because if he does it like that, then the passing of the torch, there's nothing Republicans can really say. They make it seem like it was some type of coup from the Democrats, and they pushed Joe Biden out.

I think what happened there is that, and I wish I wasn't being this cynical, but I think that if he was very plain in his language, knowledge of why he was doing it outside of the very big ideas of passing the baton, moving on to the next generation thing, I think you immediately get whatever it is, a 25th Amendment calls. Really? Yeah, because they already They said that basically, where they were like, If he's not fit to run, how is he fit to... They already said that without him.

I get what you're saying. They would have been asking him to drop out now.

They'd be asking him to step down from the presidency, which would also be weird because it would just make Kamala President Yeah. I think everybody's wires are crossed because this whole election cycle has been so insane and unprecedented.

Since 2016... Well, let me take that back. We always say since 2016, No, since 2008, since they elected a Black man as President of the United States of America, everything has been upside down.

I do feel like, okay, to your point, Obama wins, and then there are people in this country that are like, never again, no matter what it takes. I think if Kamala wins, the President after that has got to be a dead lizard or something. There's going to have to be... Because You talk about juxtapositions. It's like there's Obama and then there's Trump, and then it's very clear the subtext of Trump is a response to Obama, which is mind-blowing to me.

You're skipping one, too, just because that person didn't win. But you think eight years of President Obama and then the next person in line was going to be a woman? Yeah, fair enough. Oh, my God. The right was losing their mind. They was like, Oh, hell no. Where is the executive producer, celebrity apprentice? We need somebody that He was willing to come in here and be the most racist, wild, far-right, conservative we've ever seen. Let's just see if it works. In my mind, I see them thinking like, Before we lose our country, let's just Throw this one last hell, Mary. And it what? He caught it.

You know what? This is also what's so wild to me about that line of thinking is that I was talking to friends before we recorded. So you have Obama win, and then you have policies through Obama that actually improve people's lives in a way that is not necessarily the most glamorous, but in a way that is substantial, right?

No, it is. Obamacare is glamorous. To be able to go to the doctor and be able to afford health care is very glamorous.

Okay, that's fair. I guess what I mean by glamorous is what every politician, no matter which way you lean, Republican, Democrat, what every politician is up against in America at any given time is the fact that America sells you the idea that you can become rich. It is very hard for any politician, any lawmaker, to circumvent the fact that we're not all going to become rich. And so after a while, no matter when you become disillusion, you might become disillusion in the era of this guy, this woman being president. And so now it's their It's your fault that you're not rich. When actually, what's happening is you have a very specific type of capitalism, right? So yes, Biden's the President. But Biden isn't actually in charge of the shrinkflation that Lays decides to do in their potato chips. Biden can't, unless he passes some sweeping law that guarantee you it would be fought, that tells them how many chips they have to put in the bag. It's not Biden's fault that your paycheck buys you chips that have less in the bag than before.

That's right. Inflation is coming down now, but these greedy-ass capitalist corporations are keeping the prices up.

And so my thing is, you look at something like that where Obama is improving the lives of citizens, whether it's through health care, whether it's through a Keeping credit card companies at bay from just insane, greedy fees or predatory behavior. But then you have Obama, and maybe you like them, maybe you don't. But I think that what a lot of people missed is that Obama improved their lives to the point where they actually felt like it was fun to take a gamble on Trump. Do you know what I mean? If you are diabetic, and insulin is $450 a month, and you work at McDonald's, someone making campaign promises that are in any way involved with health care that could improve your life aren't just a little game to you. This is like life and death, right? But if everything's going pretty well and there's a guy that's like, I think I could make make you another 50K a year, whatever, you're like, ah.

Or, to your point, a guy that says, Here's $1,200 stimulus checks. A guy that's like, Yo, he wasn't the guy, but To your point, people, they'll forget what you did, they'll forget what you said, but they'll never forget how you made them feel. That's why so many people will reminisce about the Trump era because of those PPP loans and because of those stimulus checks. But they don't put everything in context. Millions of people had to die. You know what I'm saying? Because of the way that that same president mishandled this pandemic.

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I guess I'm curious then about your opinion on... This is going to be a bit of a wrap-around question, but basically, you have Kamala's kickoff of her campaign, and within that campaign, you have support from less than conventional advocates for Kamala, right? So you have Quavo, Megan Stanley, and all these different people who are celebrities in their own right or influential in their own space is coming out for Kamala. I guess the dual question that I have is, one, do you think that any amount of support is positive? And two, how would you rate her start to her campaign so far?

I think for the most part, She's been running a very good campaign. I think the problem with a lot of those campaigns, especially when the candidate is Black, they try to make them look cool. They think being cool is going to encourage young people to vote. It's going to encourage Black people of a certain age to vote. And it's just like, no, she's a 59-year-old Indian Black woman who is very intelligent, who went to Howard, who's an AKA, who has all of this history as an attorney general, as a senate, just let her be. I like seeing the Megan, the stallions, and the Cuevos a part of the process. But how about elevate them? And what I mean, what I say when I elevate them, for me, they elevated Cuevo. And what I mean by that is, Commonand and Quable have sat down and had conversations about gun violence before. So to have Quable come out in Atlanta and speak to gun violence because of how we lost takeoff, God bless the dead. That's great. What they should have done with Megan, instead of having her perform, just have her come out and speak to women being in control of their bodies, speak to women losing their reproductive rights because of the GOP and the decisions that the Supreme Court made.

Write her something to talk about. She's the woman that wrote Body Yadi Yadi Yadi Yadi. And if we're trying to protect women's rights and we want women to have control of their bodies, let her come speak to that. It's just a performance and the ass shaking that threw everybody off because I do believe, yeah, I That's not something I want to see for Kamala Harris, because she is the first Black woman, and you already see what they're doing to her. You can go on Instagram right now, and it'll be all these AI memes of Kamala Harris head on delicious's body. You know what I mean? Sure. I've seen pictures of Kamala Harris. Ai got her in bikinis leaning over a desk. You already know how they're treating her. So let's just not do that for her. I don't necessarily care either way about Megan Nastalian being out there dancing. I don't think that hurt as much as social media tried make it seem like it did. But I would have wanted the Harris campaign to elevate Megan. Megan is a smart woman. Megan went to college. Let Megan come out there and, like I said, speak to women being in control of their bodies and speak to women's reproductive rights.

That's what I would have did.

So the reason that I ask about, do you think any amount of support is positive, is because I've noticed the thing now with, like I said, a Trump rally or Trump support feels very like wrestling energy. I don't know if you watch wrestling when you were little, but it's the same general vibe and what I've noticed- That's where Hulk Hogan worked. Yes.

I didn't even realize Hulk Hogan was talking about closing the borders. I didn't even realize he was talking about shipping Mexicans I was like, I just got caught up in the, What are you going to do? Because that's a trigger for me. I'm a kid. My inner child is like, Yeah, Hulk. What are you going to do? When Trump and Man, you're like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Yeah.

I guess my thing is that no matter how obscure, silly, actually terrifying the things that the people come out and say or who the people are that support Trump, it always seems to be a boost and a leveling up for him. Whereas I think a lot of the support that, and you have this with several Democratic campaigns, but do you think that that level of support almost seeming like it's a negative is an invention by the Democrats unto themselves? Because you know that if someone's going to be racist, they're going to be racist. But do you think that playing up the no, we have to get the people playing defense is what's hurting, or do you think that the support actually hurts? Does that make sense what I'm saying?

I get what you're saying. I think the left just stands on a moral high ground that's not sustainable. The left has all of these purity tests that it's impossible for any human to pass. Meanwhile, while Republicans are like, F it. Like, literally, you saw on social media people upset that Megan TheeStallion was shaking her ass. But who were those people that were upset? I didn't see nobody on the... People on the right were saying things like, She needs rappers to get a crowd, but they weren't necessarily doing this respectability politics thing that you see a lot of people on the left do. I think when you're running a presidential campaign, I look at it as promoting a party. I used to promote parties back in the day. And when you promote parties, I would have a bunch of flyers, and I would put flyers everywhere. I wouldn't just go target my audience with the flyers. I would actually go places with those flyers that my audience may not necessarily have been. Why? Because let's just say my target audience is people at the mall, but across the street from that mall is a church or a synagogue.

I'm serious. I'm going to go put the flyers at the church. I'm going to go put the flyers at the synagogue. Why? Because even if that person doesn't know who the hell I am or who the hell this promotional company is, they're going to pick that flyer up and say, Well, who the fuck is Concrete Guerrilla Entertainment? And why have they thrown all these flyers around? And they're having a party on such and such date. So people are just talking. And that's really what you want. You just want as many people talking about something as possible. And you just hope that you get the word out to as many people as possible. If you get it to a million people, if 100,000 people show up, great. And that's how I look at politics. If you're running for president, you should sit in front of as many people as possible. You should have as many interviews as possible. You should go meet people where they are and talk to as many different audiences as possible. And let's just say you talk to 10 million people during an election cycle. If two or three million of them come out to vote for you, that's great.

So I have no problem with being in front of as many diverse audiences as possible. I think all politicians should meet people where they are because you never know who a potential voter is.

Got you. So you mentioned meeting people where they are. I want to get a sense from you then of as we get out of the excitement, surprise, and honeymoon of Kamla being in the race and everything, and it gets closer and closer to November, and it really is now Kamla's policies versus Trump's policies, what do you What do you think some of the things that Kamla can do to win over any swing voters?

I don't even think that we're in the honeymoon phase. The honeymoon phase comes after she gets selected. I think right now we're just in a phase of, Oh, shoot, I'm actually energized. A lot of us haven't felt like this since 2008. Sure. A lot of us haven't felt like this since 2012. I can't sit here and say Hillary bought energy. Hillary. Hillary felt like an establishment institutional politician that President Obama is saying, Hey, this is who we want you to vote for, more than qualified. But I can't sit here and say she energized people. The vice President has energized people, and we haven't had any energy since 2016. I didn't vote for President Biden in 2020. I voted for the vice President Kamala Harris. I'm on record saying that. It wasn't until she got on the ticket to where I was like, All right, I feel comfortable voting for the person who created the 1994 crime. That's literally what my mentality was. But I think what we're feeling now is just the energy that we haven't felt before. And I don't think this goes away. I think that this is going to go up until election day.

Don't get me wrong, there's going to be ups, there's going to be downs. She still hasn't sat down and did an interview with anybody yet. She still hasn't had an official press conference yet, so you never know how those things can go. I'm sure that she'll say something in an interview that people aren't going to like. They're going to pick apart, but that's still our candidate. I think what you're feeling right now is energy. And I think what she needs to do is just keep doing what she's doing. Like you just said, it's a policy thing at this point. This is my issues. This is my agenda. That's another thing she hasn't done yet either. I can speak to some of the things that the vice Vice President has done because I was on the campaign trail with her in 2020. I was doing my research to her when she was an attorney general in California. I know about things like the Back on Track program. I know what her economic plans are. Even as vice President, I paid attention when she gave $285 million to a mental health initiative to help increase the amount of mental health professionals, because I'm I'm a mental health advocate, so I pay attention to stuff like that.

But for people who don't know her, when they go to her website, she doesn't have a plan for what she wants to do for the next four years. Where is that plan? I just think she just needs to keep telling people what she plans to do. I think folks will get to know her later.

Okay, so then do you think that Trump is going to win over some of those swing voters? Or do you? No. My only reason that I asked the question is because it It felt like he was riding high off of Biden. And then it feels like ever since there's been a disconnect, it's like when you watch a stand-up, right? Because I work at the show. I've watched Trump rallies, I've watched Trump general speeches at CPAC, stuff like that. And it always felt like he was connected, even when he was being weird or even when he was going off script and everything, it felt like he was connecting with the moment that he was having. And I feel like more often than not, every time see him now, maybe it's because he's reaching out to socials more than ever, so he's going to streamers, he's going to YouTubers and stuff, and maybe that's not exactly his wheelhouse. But that's smart. It is smart, but I guess I'm... You saw the Aiden Ross thing and everything.

I thought that was smart.

It felt like a bad move to me because it felt more awkward throughout than it did like, Oh, this dude is putting himself in front of new people. It's like, if you're putting yourself in front of new people and it's not on the best foot, It's good.

Yeah, but that audience loved it because Aiden Ross, he's got skin in that game already. Aiden Ross had nick Fuentes on his podcast before. I've heard Aiden Ross speak highly of Trump before. So Even the way that it was set up, like Trump walks in, many men's playing. All the guys in the room are dressed like Trump with the red tie. They're all wearing MAGA hats. And it wasn't like Aiden was asking bad questions. So let's just say Aiden Ross, who is a very influential person, whether you like it or not. I think at one point, he had like 400,000, a half million people watching the stream. I don't know what the highest number it got to, but I know when it first started, it had like 400,000, 500,000. If 50,000 of those people decide to go out there and register to vote and vote for Trump. That's a win. I see. I don't have a problem. And you got to think Aiden's demo was like 13 to 24. There's a new voter turning 18 every day. So he went and sat in front of a bunch of young, impressionable people who may just feel like, You know what?

I like that guy. He's sitting there kicking it with my dude Aiden. He's talking about young thug. He's saying how we need to close the borders. We're going to put more money in our pocket. I can see how that could be intriguing to somebody who really isn't looking under the hood.

I see. This is something I think about a lot when I talk to about or to other Black people with it, is there are Black people who voted for Trump in 2016- I know some.

I got some friends who did.

Who do not want to vote for him again. And there is a sense, though, how do you find the advice towards reconciliation in that way? Because then there are some Black people now who vote for Hillary, then vote for Biden, and are voting for Kamala, that just are like, What's wrong with you? How could you ever? And I think there are people out there that are like, Look, I am I'm doing well, I'm maybe rich. I think this is the person that's going to keep me rich. I'm voting this way. And so if someone's whole motivator is money in a sense, then I'm not saying fault, as in I would do the same thing, But I get why they vote the way they do, because they're very clear about their intentions.

Those are people to me who have not looked under the hood because being Black and rich in a country that's under authoritarian rule is not going to fare well for you. It's really just that simple. Being Black and rich in a country that's under authoritarian rule is not going to fare well for you. And I don't know any other way to explain it to people other than to tell them to ask ChatGPT or askChatGPT or google what is authoritarian rule. And then you might understand why would you want to live in a country where you have a man saying he wants to give police total immunity? Yeah, federal immunity. What are we doing? Black man, Black woman, what are you doing? That alone, for as much as we... We talked about it earlier in the conversation. For as much as we like to scream after police, that's what you want. How you think that's going to fair for you in this society? In the Me as a media personality, you as a comedian, as a TV personality, this guy already says he's going to attack the press. He already said it's going to be consequences and repercussions for people who have things to say about him.

He sued Bill Maher. Yeah. Yeah. He threatened to sue Lorne Michiels. Everything that Donald Trump wants to do, he says out loud.

Yeah. No, for sure.

We all just twittle our thumbs and go on about our way. It's just talk.

And so do you think... I mean, what do you say? I'm not asking you to speak for anyone right now, but I guess, what do you say to those friends who maybe voted for him the first time that either don't want to vote for him again or maybe are voting for him again? Where do you find their heads are at?

I think right now, at least, I'm just speaking from some of the people that I know, they really are just fed up with government, period. And they're still caught up in that whole drain the swamp thing. They still look at him as an outsider who's here to shake up government. And there is something to, I'm not saying this is the reason, there is something to a person that That the media is always persecuting, right? There is something to watching the media. I don't even want to say persecuting because a lot of times the media is just telling the truth about them. Most of the time the media is just telling the truth about them.

They're just saying what he did.

They're saying what he did. There are people out here who just root for the bad guy. This is America. This ain't just a Black thing. No, I'm with you. America roots for the bad guy. No. Since day one, since cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians, the people robbing the train, the stage coaches, they root for the bad guy. I think some people are just caught up in rooting for the bad guy.

Got you. I do think that there are some logic loops that don't close for me sometimes. Because it's not logical. Yeah.

That's why.

No, that's fair.

That's Why? We're literally sitting here trying to make the logic out of the illogical. My thing is, those are the times where I just have to step back and just realize that some people are just looking at it as politics, even though if you are really paying attention, you know how high the stakes are. But the Democrats are the blame for a lot of that because the Democrats demonize Republicans all the time. I can't think of one Republican candidate in my lifetime who hasn't been demonized. Maybe John McCain. John McCain might have been the only one who they didn't demonize.

I do think that the threat to democracy thing is something that has been on the table and mentioned in every election for what feels like the past three, and eventually, even if something is true, it's like when a country is at war. When a country is at war, war is terrifying. That's right. But when you talk to people who live through war, they're weirdly chill about it to a certain degree. They obviously have horror stories, and they've obviously been traumatized. I'm not trivializing war. I'm saying when you talk to these people who are from a place that's either war-torn or was going through war when they were younger, and they're like, Yeah, but after a while, you go through your day. And that's how I feel about the threat to democracy line, where it's like, Look, I genuinely believe that Trump wants to do things, and as you say, has said out loud, he plans to do things if he wins that are not democratic, right? So the threat to democracy thing is real.

He already led an attempted coup of this country.

We watched it.

It's so many things that he's done that we don't pay attention. He led an attempted coup wanted coup of this country. He literally said we should suspend the Constitution to overthrow the results of an election. He said this.

But I think that my thing is the same way when someone's living through war, torn, conditions, and eventually they're like, Well, I have to eat. I have to find some work. I have to provide for my family. You have to, quote, unquote, get on with your life. I think that maybe that is the only personal failing is the wrong word because it makes it seem final. But one of the things that I think Democrats could do better is appeal to that notion of threat to democracy without making it seem like it's the only thing that they need to say. Oh, yeah.

They can't just speak... You're absolutely right. They're always trying to make their base vote out of fear. Right now, people are like, I'm tired of voting out of fear. You got to give me an actual real reason to vote. People want tangible things. So on top, I think you got to do two things, right? For the people who understand understand why this guy is a threat to democracy, lay that out for them. But the people who want tangibles, lay that out for them, too, because the reality is all of them at some point, it'll be an intersectionality of it all. Yes. But I don't know if they do a good enough job of really doing either or. Even now with this whole just labeling Trump and JD Vance weird, you're understanding the threat.

It's definitely understanding the threat. It is super accurate, though. There are just things that Trump has said mid-rally. He'll be talking about immigration, and then he's talking about sharks. And I'm like, I don't know where we are anymore.

I'm with that. But yes, the shark thing is weird. Yeah. Project 2025 is more than weird.

No, that's fair.

Putting three conservative judges that he appointed on the Supreme Court that abolished Roe v Wade, that made So giving him presidential immunity the way he can commit crimes that made it legal for elected officials to take brize, that's more than weird.

But do you think... I guess this is my thing, and this is my general question to you there, is that Do you think that the American public as a whole can handle more than one piece of messaging at a time? Because I think that both things are things that I would worry about. So Project 2025 worries me not Not as much, but on the level with, Wait, is this guy even here right now?

No, that's real because the Supreme Court concerns me more than Project 2025.

Yeah. I think that maybe what we're having here is not just a, Oh, the Democrats could do better messaging on what the threats are or what the benefits are of electing a Democrat. I do think that we may have a general problem with us as an electing body that we can't seem to hold on to more than one thing for for more than a certain amount of time.

I agree with you. And what I would say to that is, when you're a presidential candidate, you can't look at the American people as just a monolithic thing. Because one thing that I think Trump does good, and I want the Democrats to start doing, is you do have to say a whole bunch of things. Because when you say a whole bunch of things, your different things are hitting with different people. You just said, Project 2025 may not hit with you, but the Supreme Court stuff might. Police immunity might hit with you, but something else he did may not. So it's just like you got to put everything out there. You got to put everything on the table and just let people see what resonates with them, what really triggers them, what hits them to say, Oh, no, we got to make sure this dude don't ever get back in the White House.

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Now, do you think then, because I do agree with what you're saying about messaging and about how I think it's important, especially with the energy, because the energy is new. We haven't had it for a while. I think with that energy, now it can be about, Here's what I'm going to do, and here are my sets of policies. But do you think that because of the state that we're in, opposing Republican policies has been a platform, or do you think that's still not good enough? Because to a certain degree, I agree with you that so much of voting it feels like for the past however long has really been about keeping Republicans out more so than even bringing Biden in or anything. But I guess that's my general question is like, okay, Republicans want to do all these things. I don't want any of those things. Is that enough of a platform for a candidate?

No. You still have to tell those individuals what you plan to do for them. If you and your girl are going out and there's one restaurant and she's like, I don't like that restaurant. That restaurant, not for me. And you're like, Yeah, it's not for me neither. She's still hungry. Sure. She's still got to go somewhere. No, fair. You know what I'm saying? You got to put some other options on the table. If there is another option, you got to be like, Well, we should go here And here's the reason why. Got you. Not just because you're hungry, you're going to want to go here because the fried pickles are amazing. They got the greatest desserts. You got to lay it out as to why you should go there. Whenever you ask about anything in life, restaurants, vacation places, you're asking, so what's there? Sure. And they got to tell you what's there. So that's what Democrats have to start doing.

We're here, but This is our menu. I also want to get your thoughts on this because it's really something that we struggle with after every election. I've said this before. People that know me will probably get sick of me saying this, but any campaign is the sexting phase of the relationship you're having with your candidate, right? I'm going to come over there. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. You know that you don't have the hip strength or the knee mobility to do what you're saying, but I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. Now we're actually at your place, and it's time. And then they're like, It's going to be pretty regular. I'm going to do my best. But this is my thing is how many campaign promises, knowing that there's checks and balances, knowing that there's courts, knowing that there are politically appointed people that have positions either for life or as long as they run unopposed or as long as no one challenges them in any way or any of their actions aren't necessarily uncovered, how much of the promises that a politician makes should their constituents expect them to fulfill?

Because I think there's something like with Biden's student loan forgiveness, where Biden keeps trying to forgive more than he's allowed to forgive by either the Supreme Court or by federal judges, then he will find a different way to forgive a little less. But he chipping away at that promise. But it's a thing that's been brought up to me as him not fulfilling his promise, right?

I think it's two things to that, right? If I'm a politician, all politicians really are able to do is tell us what they want to do, literally. They tell us what they want to do. Now, if they want to stay in office, they'll go in there and do those things. I think as voters, we should expect them to do All of it.

Okay. Right? Yeah.

And if they don't get it all done, I want to see you at least trying. I want to see you trying hard. I want to constantly see you trying to pass this bill and they getting shot down for whatever reason. I want to see you doing executive orders. I want to see you just trying to do these things that you said you were going to do. That's why I think the student loan thing hit so well, because when he was getting blocked by Congress in the Senate, he would go do an executive order. He would circumvent them. I respect that. At least you're trying to get something done, or at least you're using whatever power you have to do something. That's all I expect. I just expect you to try. When you do get something done, fantastic, great, thank you, but at least try, because to your point, you can't just keep selling me a dream every single time, especially after you done hit.

Yeah. You know what I'm You done hit now?

I know what everything... I'm here because I clearly like it. But could you at least do something to me and not make me feel like a hole? Do something for me?

Off of Biden, there is something that's been really big for me. Biden's not going to run again. His political career, as we know, it is over. Absolutely. He could still have one of the most consequential influential presidencies ever because now he's beholden to nothing and no one seemingly, right? Because he doesn't need anything else. He's not running again. So what would you like to see Biden do? Because this is the thing that people wish that they had the first time that they run. Whenever they run, they're talking like, Hey, I won't take anybody's money. I won't be beholden to anybody. Nobody can touch me, hold me back, anything. I'm here for you, the people. Biden actually can do all of that right now instead of... I'm not even saying he's doing this, but I'm saying we, the public, expect him to sulk and feel sorry for himself and everything because it's an embarrassing thing to have to drop out of a race and stuff. But he's still the President.

I'm glad he stepped down. That's something I was calling for for a long time. But I think what President Biden can do for his remaining time in office, and he's starting to do it a little bit, raise hell about that Supreme Court. Like, literally, you say you want to put reforms on the Supreme Court. I want to see him raising hell about the Supreme Court because the Supreme Court is no longer a legitimate institution. And my biggest fear, and I said it a little bit in my opinion piece on the show this week, what happens in November? Vice President wins the election, but all around the country, you have all these different states that refuse to certify the results of the election, right? And then Donald Trump challenges the results of the election. It goes to the Supreme Court. In light of all the Supreme Court's recent rulings, they just made this motherfucker king. What makes us believe the Supreme Court would not overturn the results of that election? So I would like to see President Biden raising a hell about that over the next few months. He already said that he wants to put a of reforms.

But I need the rhetoric to be, Yo, we got to start talking about expanding the court. Like, literally, I think that he really needs to be spending all his remaining energy on talking about how illegitimate this court is. And He's old, so he's seen a lot of different variations of the court. He knows when the court is corrupt.

Or just taking away the lifetime appointment.

You know what I mean? Well, that was part of the reform. I think it's 18 years, I think they said. Oh, okay. Got you. That's something he's proposing. But my whole point is I would like to see him doing that for his remaining time in office the last 90 days because that might be the biggest hurdle. We keep talking about the thing standing in the way of keeping Trump out of the White House is Is Vice President Kamala Harris and Tim Walls. Maybe not. That might not be the thing.

The only thing to douse a little bit of the flame of that fear is that we're going from in this situation, a Biden to a Harris, which then at least the President in that scenario is. That's right.

If you're going to have a constitutional crisis, you want it while Democrats are in office. You know what I'm saying? Sure. But like I said, he will still challenge it. I have no doubt in my mind that his cronies all around the country will refuse to certify the results of the election. He'll challenge it It'll go to the Supreme Court, and I have no reason to believe they wouldn't overturn it. I have no reason to believe that they wouldn't. And that's why I say everybody keeps saying that the thing that's going to keep Trump out of the White House is Kamala Harris and Governor Tim Walsh. Those are the things that are going to keep them out of... I mean, keep Trump out of the White House. But what is going to be the thing to keep them out? You know what I'm saying? If they win, even if they win, there's mechanisms in place that can keep them out. Republicans got this shit fixed in a real, real, real way. They got it to where it's either two results of elections. They win or this shit wasn't real. It was fake. It was rigged.

And I have no reason to believe that they are not going to push the gas on that in November. And everybody that's listening to my voice right now, none of you all should be surprised when this happens. Just be prepared.

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