From New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro. This is The Daily. Today, what Vice President Kamala Harris is looking for in a running mate and the challenge of making that choice in record time. My colleague, National Political Correspondent Lisa Lair, takes us inside the selection process. It's Tuesday, July 30th. Lisa, we turn to you to give us as much insight as possible into a pretty unusual situation, which is the Search for a Running Mate by Kamala Harris, a presidential nominee who, up until a week ago, was herself the running maid. She was the thing that she now needs to go out and to find.

That's exactly right. Harris is trying to replace herself in a way on the ticket. This is so, so unusual. I mean, not only is it unusual to have a woman who is vice president picking her own vice president, but the timeline is just extraordinarily short. Her campaign has said that she's likely to make this decision by August seventh. So that's about what, 10 days from today or so. In total, I think this will be about a two, three-week process, and that's just incredibly short to make what's likely to be arguably one of the most consequential decisions of her candidacy, and should she win her presidency?

Right. We should say, you and I know this, we've covered many presidential campaigns and vice presidential searches. Traditionally, this is a process that takes months and months and months.

Oh, yeah. This is a process that goes on for quite a long time. Aids and candidates, generally, they start thinking about it during the primary process before they've necessarily even won the nomination. For example, in 2016, when Hillary Clinton ended up being the nominee, there was reporting that showed She began discussions with her aides about this as early as March before she even finalized that she had won the primary against Bernie Sanders. Then, of course, Tim Caine wasn't announced until four months later in July. This was quite an extended process. There's vetting, and there's interviews, and there's trial balloons, and this is a whole serious process . It's just not even on the map for them. Frankly, white, rural, working class voters, particularly male voters, are not a demographic they're going to win either. So this is more about the possibility of cutting some of their losses than winning over a crucial swing state or a really crucial demographic.It's fascinating. Okay, I think that brings us to Governor Walls of Minnesota, which is like Kentucky, not exactly a swing state.No, Minnesota, of course, is a very liberal state, one that Democrats are not particularly concerned about holding in this presidency presidential election. These guys are just weird.That's where they are. It isn't much else.Don't give them the power.Look, are they a threat to democracy?Yes. Are they going to take our rights away? Yes. But what Walsh brings is he has been this really effective messenger for the party, particularly in the last two weeks since the possibility of Harris picking a vice president became real, he's really been out there leading on some new lines of democratic attack.The fascists depend on fear. The fascists depend on us going back, but we're not afraid of weird people. We're a little bit creeped out, but we're not afraid.Most centrally, that Republicans are, in his words, just too weird for America.Can you just explain that? Because it does seem like it's sticking a little bit.It does seem like it's sticking, and it's a way to capture something that Democrats have been trying in a lot of different ways to do for years now, which is paint Republicans as conservative extremists extremists who are out of touch with where mainstream America is in terms of abortion rights or same-sex marriage or families, all kinds of issues like that that are really intimate issues for voters. Walsh has done it effectively, and we've seen this weird attack line be picked up across the party.Donald Trump has been resorting to some wild lies about my record, and some of what he and his running mate are saying, Well, it's just plain weird.But beyond this new weird message, he has a compelling biography. As a small town kid turned soldier, football coach, teacher, husband and dad, never did I envision before you, before that I would be here in standing as your Minnesota's 41st governor.I know, and neither did you believe that.He's a former teacher. He's a former veteran. He's someone who comes across as a real Midwesterner, which, of course, he is. He has an accent. He's doing press conferences in a T-shirt. That regional affiliation matters because, of course, Michigan, Wisconsin are really, really important states on the presidential map.Interesting. He might not be the governor of a swing state, but his appeal extends to those Midwest swing states you just mentioned, and that could be very powerful, potentially.Yeah, he's in a swing state affinity group here in terms of region, all of that. The drawback with him is president can be a very difficult or a very intimate relationship. We've seen bothwho will carry carry on the mantle of whatever her political career becomes.She has to decide all of that in basically 10 days.Yeah, no big deal. Just make the biggest political decision of your career, the future of your party, potentially the country in 10 days. Just knock it out.On your to-do list, pick Running Mate. Check. Well, Lisa, Lisa. Thank you very much. We appreciate it.Thanks for having me.We'll be right back. Here's what else you need to know today.I have great respect for our institutions, and the separation of power is laid out in our Constitution. But what's happening now is not consistent with that doctrine.During In a speech on Monday in Texas, President Biden unveiled a plan to bring sweeping changes to the US Supreme Court. They include creating an enforceable code of ethics and creating 18-year term limits for justices.Extremism is undermining the public confidence in the court's decisions.The plan has little chance of becoming law, but seeks to rein in the power of a court that has moved further and further to the right on everything from abortion to affirmative action, and shown a greater and greater willingness to disregard its own precedence. And Venezuela's authoritarian leader, Nicolas Maduro, has declared victory in his re-election bid despite accusations of widespread fraud. In response, officials in the United States and many Latin American countries denounced Maduro's claim of victory and sought precinct by precinct voting data to verify the results. Today's episode was produced by Michael Simon Johnson Ricky Nowetsky, and Claire Tennisgetter. It was edited by Liz O'Balen, contains original music by Marion Lozano, and was engineered by Chris Wood. Our theme music is by Jim Brunberg and Ben Lansberg of Wunderly. That's it for The Daily. I'm Michaeloral. See you tomorrow.

. It's just not even on the map for them. Frankly, white, rural, working class voters, particularly male voters, are not a demographic they're going to win either. So this is more about the possibility of cutting some of their losses than winning over a crucial swing state or a really crucial demographic.

It's fascinating. Okay, I think that brings us to Governor Walls of Minnesota, which is like Kentucky, not exactly a swing state.

No, Minnesota, of course, is a very liberal state, one that Democrats are not particularly concerned about holding in this presidency presidential election. These guys are just weird.

That's where they are. It isn't much else.

Don't give them the power.

Look, are they a threat to democracy?

Yes. Are they going to take our rights away? Yes. But what Walsh brings is he has been this really effective messenger for the party, particularly in the last two weeks since the possibility of Harris picking a vice president became real, he's really been out there leading on some new lines of democratic attack.

The fascists depend on fear. The fascists depend on us going back, but we're not afraid of weird people. We're a little bit creeped out, but we're not afraid.

Most centrally, that Republicans are, in his words, just too weird for America.

Can you just explain that? Because it does seem like it's sticking a little bit.

It does seem like it's sticking, and it's a way to capture something that Democrats have been trying in a lot of different ways to do for years now, which is paint Republicans as conservative extremists extremists who are out of touch with where mainstream America is in terms of abortion rights or same-sex marriage or families, all kinds of issues like that that are really intimate issues for voters. Walsh has done it effectively, and we've seen this weird attack line be picked up across the party.

Donald Trump has been resorting to some wild lies about my record, and some of what he and his running mate are saying, Well, it's just plain weird.

But beyond this new weird message, he has a compelling biography. As a small town kid turned soldier, football coach, teacher, husband and dad, never did I envision before you, before that I would be here in standing as your Minnesota's 41st governor.

I know, and neither did you believe that.

He's a former teacher. He's a former veteran. He's someone who comes across as a real Midwesterner, which, of course, he is. He has an accent. He's doing press conferences in a T-shirt. That regional affiliation matters because, of course, Michigan, Wisconsin are really, really important states on the presidential map.

Interesting. He might not be the governor of a swing state, but his appeal extends to those Midwest swing states you just mentioned, and that could be very powerful, potentially.

Yeah, he's in a swing state affinity group here in terms of region, all of that. The drawback with him is president can be a very difficult or a very intimate relationship. We've seen bothwho will carry carry on the mantle of whatever her political career becomes.She has to decide all of that in basically 10 days.Yeah, no big deal. Just make the biggest political decision of your career, the future of your party, potentially the country in 10 days. Just knock it out.On your to-do list, pick Running Mate. Check. Well, Lisa, Lisa. Thank you very much. We appreciate it.Thanks for having me.We'll be right back. Here's what else you need to know today.I have great respect for our institutions, and the separation of power is laid out in our Constitution. But what's happening now is not consistent with that doctrine.During In a speech on Monday in Texas, President Biden unveiled a plan to bring sweeping changes to the US Supreme Court. They include creating an enforceable code of ethics and creating 18-year term limits for justices.Extremism is undermining the public confidence in the court's decisions.The plan has little chance of becoming law, but seeks to rein in the power of a court that has moved further and further to the right on everything from abortion to affirmative action, and shown a greater and greater willingness to disregard its own precedence. And Venezuela's authoritarian leader, Nicolas Maduro, has declared victory in his re-election bid despite accusations of widespread fraud. In response, officials in the United States and many Latin American countries denounced Maduro's claim of victory and sought precinct by precinct voting data to verify the results. Today's episode was produced by Michael Simon Johnson Ricky Nowetsky, and Claire Tennisgetter. It was edited by Liz O'Balen, contains original music by Marion Lozano, and was engineered by Chris Wood. Our theme music is by Jim Brunberg and Ben Lansberg of Wunderly. That's it for The Daily. I'm Michaeloral. See you tomorrow.

president can be a very difficult or a very intimate relationship. We've seen bothwho will carry carry on the mantle of whatever her political career becomes.She has to decide all of that in basically 10 days.Yeah, no big deal. Just make the biggest political decision of your career, the future of your party, potentially the country in 10 days. Just knock it out.On your to-do list, pick Running Mate. Check. Well, Lisa, Lisa. Thank you very much. We appreciate it.Thanks for having me.We'll be right back. Here's what else you need to know today.I have great respect for our institutions, and the separation of power is laid out in our Constitution. But what's happening now is not consistent with that doctrine.During In a speech on Monday in Texas, President Biden unveiled a plan to bring sweeping changes to the US Supreme Court. They include creating an enforceable code of ethics and creating 18-year term limits for justices.Extremism is undermining the public confidence in the court's decisions.The plan has little chance of becoming law, but seeks to rein in the power of a court that has moved further and further to the right on everything from abortion to affirmative action, and shown a greater and greater willingness to disregard its own precedence. And Venezuela's authoritarian leader, Nicolas Maduro, has declared victory in his re-election bid despite accusations of widespread fraud. In response, officials in the United States and many Latin American countries denounced Maduro's claim of victory and sought precinct by precinct voting data to verify the results. Today's episode was produced by Michael Simon Johnson Ricky Nowetsky, and Claire Tennisgetter. It was edited by Liz O'Balen, contains original music by Marion Lozano, and was engineered by Chris Wood. Our theme music is by Jim Brunberg and Ben Lansberg of Wunderly. That's it for The Daily. I'm Michaeloral. See you tomorrow.

who will carry carry on the mantle of whatever her political career becomes.

She has to decide all of that in basically 10 days.

Yeah, no big deal. Just make the biggest political decision of your career, the future of your party, potentially the country in 10 days. Just knock it out.

On your to-do list, pick Running Mate. Check. Well, Lisa, Lisa. Thank you very much. We appreciate it.

Thanks for having me.

We'll be right back. Here's what else you need to know today.

I have great respect for our institutions, and the separation of power is laid out in our Constitution. But what's happening now is not consistent with that doctrine.

During In a speech on Monday in Texas, President Biden unveiled a plan to bring sweeping changes to the US Supreme Court. They include creating an enforceable code of ethics and creating 18-year term limits for justices.

Extremism is undermining the public confidence in the court's decisions.

The plan has little chance of becoming law, but seeks to rein in the power of a court that has moved further and further to the right on everything from abortion to affirmative action, and shown a greater and greater willingness to disregard its own precedence. And Venezuela's authoritarian leader, Nicolas Maduro, has declared victory in his re-election bid despite accusations of widespread fraud. In response, officials in the United States and many Latin American countries denounced Maduro's claim of victory and sought precinct by precinct voting data to verify the results. Today's episode was produced by Michael Simon Johnson Ricky Nowetsky, and Claire Tennisgetter. It was edited by Liz O'Balen, contains original music by Marion Lozano, and was engineered by Chris Wood. Our theme music is by Jim Brunberg and Ben Lansberg of Wunderly. That's it for The Daily. I'm Michaeloral. See you tomorrow.