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Sean, thanks for joining us. We appreciate it.

Hey, my friend. Thanks for having me.

Yeah, well, not having you more is a sin. I blame Jim, so he should seek confession Father Marty, reach out. I kid. I kid. It's not in any way Jim's fault. I actually do not. I got to stay on top of this stuff. I need to have you on more. You and I text a lot, and you know Pennsylvania politics well. You ran there, the establishment The folks there really hate your guts. You've been a really solid Trump supporter. No, it's a badge of honor for a guy like yourself. You serve the country, right? And I tried to make a point earlier in the show that this this election is about Pennsylvania for really a big reason here. Donald Trump can lose Pennsylvania and still win, but Kamala Harris cannot. If she loses Pennsylvania, this race is essentially over. And CNN's own political analyst, CNN, Harry Enton, who's been pretty honest about the polls, he's saying, Listen, she is in real trouble there. I've had pressler on about this. What is your take? This is a big assumption now. Sorry for the long predicate here, but assuming it is a Clean election, which is a big assumption, what's your take on Pennsylvania and the Trump momentum there?

Yeah, well, first of all, you are absolutely right. I mean, Trump wins Pennsylvania. It's over, right? And you are also right in that Trump has multiple to the White House without Pennsylvania. Of course, it'd be ideal to win as many states as you can, especially Pennsylvania. But Kamala has one, and it runs right through the Keystone State. Having had my name on the ballot before, you can tell a lot about a campaign, not by what they're saying. You can't listen to anything that these commy mouth breather Democrats say because they say one thing and they do another all the time. But you got to watch what they do. The fact that Kamala has been in Pittsburgh, in Western Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, in my hometown, 50 plus days before the election, not just spending one day, she spent five freaking days there locked down in a hotel room with a Trump impersonator, made sure that they wore a long tie to make sure he looked and sounded like Donald Trump, and just immersed herself in debate prep. So I'm just telling you, Dan, Pennsylvania is a very, very heavy lift for Kamala, primarily because in the West, which is right where she is, it is rock full of blue collar Union Democrats, pro-life, pro-gun Democrats, that are going to have a real hard time buying what she's selling.

I come from a family of Union Democrats. I've worked in the steel industry in Western Pennsylvania, Dan. These people, first of all, they'll never change their registration from Democrats. It's just how they are. But they're more pro-Trump than my Republican family members. I can't drive outside of my hometown, outside of my house. You drive 30 in any direction, Dan, and you will drive through a town that was left behind by politicians, Democrat and Republican politicians, and Kamala Harris's policies or economic policies or fiscal policies or policies on oil and gas will just further crush these small towns. People know it. People know it, Dan. Trump came along and said, I haven't forgotten you.

We're talking to Sean Parnell, a former candidate, hosts his own program, serve the country in our military heroically, and again, knows more about Pennsylvania, has forgotten more about Pennsylvania than most people know their politics. Sean, another problem that they have with Kamala Harris in Pennsylvania, and again, folks, just to dial back to where I started this segment in the beginning of the show, CNN did a massive hit piece on Kamala, and they're the ones, I think, that are starting to see the writing on the wall, that if this breaks bad tonight, she's in real trouble. No red wave talk, but she's in real trouble. But you know, again, being intimately involved in Pennsylvania politics, that this was factored in never as a swing state. This was factored in as an easy take in the blue column with California, Illinois. The Republicans called it fool's gold for years because we never won Pennsylvania ever. It's got this juicy body of, what is it, 19 electoral college votes? It's really not the reason Kamala, this is so important, is it's not just that she loses 19 electoral college votes, it's that that was already baked into her 270 Electoral College vote cake, and then it flips plus 19 for Trump.

It's actually a difference of 38 because this was already factored in for them.

Oh, exactly. The idea, by the way, that Trump was a danger. He might not win Pennsylvania. He's not moderate enough. Trump was the first Republican President to win Pennsylvania since George Bush. Give me a freaking break. He's wildly popular here. I know that this isn't empirical, but everywhere you go, Dan, there are signs. You see people walking for miles on the streets just to get to a Trump rally here. Trump is popular in Pennsylvania. I'll also say this, the vote by mail stuff, because I'm working a little bit on catching Republicans up on their vote by mail infrastructure. We've already banked more vote by mail votes here in this state than the entire 2022 cycle. We're on pace to bank more than we did during the entire 2020 cycle, and we're 50 days It's out. It ain't just that, Dan. The Democrats, as of last week, were 132,000 votes down from where they were in 2020. Look, the numbers don't lie. The Democrats, look, there are all sorts of problems with the 2020 election. We won't even get into that. But the Democrats, in order for them to win here, they got to have that floor, my friend.

They got to have the floor of the mail imbalance that they had during 2020. Right now, I mean, look, can they make it up? Absolutely. They can spend a ton money and they can get there. Complacency kills. We don't get complacent. We campaign like we're 10 points down. But I think the Democrats are starting to see writing on the wall that it's going to be tough.

Sean, I need your take on this as a guy, again, I give credibility to opinions from people who put their names on ballots. No offense, I'm not trying to be a jerk. If I want to hear about the Green Bay packers, I want to talk to the head coach. Doesn't mean I can't talk to theouncer, but the head coach just knows more. When I want to hear about Pennsylvania politics, I want to hear from a guy who's actually run Because it was skin in the game. You were actually knocking on doors. I have asked Laura Trump, President Trump himself, Scott Pressler, and others, and I've gotten the same answer, yet there are still some people out there telling people, Don't vote early. Wait for election day. Sean, the Department of Homeland Security, which I don't trust as far as I could throw them, has already put out a warning saying there could be an Internet attack on election day. They're only doing that for one of two reasons. Either they believe it and you should vote early, or they don't believe and interrupt the shenanigans. And either way, you should vote early. Bank your vote.

We can change the system afterwards, but I'm begging people, your opinion on this, please bank your vote. This is no time to screw around.

Well, listen, I'll give you a military analogy very quickly. Politics is just like war. The tactics, just without the bullets, Dan. You cannot signal to your enemy on the battlefield or here at home, politically. You can't signal to your enemy how you fight, because if you show them how you fight, they adapt, and they overcome. Democrats know Republicans have voted on election day. As you said, if there's bad traffic, kid has a baseball game, you work long hours, you're picking up over time, internet attack, cyber attack, all manner of things can happen on election day that would prohibit people from voting. You can get rid of all of that by just banking your vote early. Our military trusts, our military uses that system to great effect. Bank your vote. What that also does is, first of all, if you're uncomfortable, that you can still show up on election day and vote provisional, right? So you've got that option. But it allows us, as people who are running the show in Pennsylvania, to use our resources in a more strategic way to get out the vote. If we know that you've already banked your vote, it's a simple People is looking at an Excel spreadsheet and say, Okay, here you go.

If Johnny so and so banked his vote. Let's take our money and use it at the guy who didn't and get him out to vote. So it's win-win-win across the board. So embrace this. If you want to change the system, if you want to get rid of these mail imbalance, which I'm completely on board with, but if you want to change the system, we got to fight the fight. We got to fight the fight with the rules on the political battlefield as they are.

Folks, again, this is why you bring on candidates. It doesn't matter, win or lost. They know the system. Sean ran in Pennsylvania. Sean brought up a point that I haven't brought up before. Well, you brought up the money part, but there's a different part and a different angle. Not only do you come off the spreadsheet so I don't have to send a mailer if I'm running because I know you voted. I still know who you voted for. This is another reason to vote. You save me money. But Sean has to go knock on doors with teams. If there's a thousand extra doors in the neighborhood, I don't knock on because you already voted, then I can spend more time with the people who are still up in the air about who to vote for. This just makes tactical. Your military analogy is so spot on. Sean's telling you, Trump's telling you, Laura Trump's telling you, Pressler's telling you, I'm telling you, please bank your vote. Sean The last question I'll let you run the debate tonight. Again, Donald Trump doesn't... I don't mean to play word games. I'm not trying to be funny about it, but he doesn't need to win anything.

The media is going to crush him anyway. He just needs to not lose. Kamala Harris doesn't have that luxury. Kamala Harris is getting crushed. The polls are fake. This Kamala momentum is fake. It's garbage. Even Nate Silver, who's not even one of us, is starting to acknowledge it. Your take on tonight, this is a must win for Kamala Harris. Trump just has to not lose.

Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Here's what this is all about. Polls, whatever. I don't care about the top-line numbers. They're good for informing people of where we are as a country. Look at the issues. In poll after poll, the issues are what matter. The top issues: economy, inflation, immigration. Is the country on the wrong track? Poll after poll, 70% no. What this election is going to come down to is who is going to be the change agent. If people put down their remote stand and they say, You know This country is on the wrong track, and Donald Trump is the guy that's going to get the country back on the right track, it's going to be a real good night for Donald Trump, and likely a real good night in November for him as well. Any second that's spent talking about Anything else about... Trump has got to talk about it. I would never tell Trump what to do because he knows what he's doing, the economy, inflation. Tell people that you understand where they're coming from, that you understand their pain, and call Kamal out for her flip-flopping on every single issue. But the bottom line is be the change agent.

It doesn't matter about anything else. Be the change that people need and desperately want in this country right now.

I agree with you 100%. He doesn't need our advice. He smoked Joe Biden. He's already one handily two Republican primaries, and disposed of some really good debaters. But what you said is not inaccurate. He just needs to do exactly what he did in the Biden debate, which is let these two communists talk themselves into a circle. And what was his response? He looked at Biden at one point in the moment of the night, which the minute it happened, we said it. He said, I don't even know what he just said. That's it. That's all he needs to do. He doesn't need to win. He just needs to not lose because the media won't let him win. Sean, we definitely got to have you back. It's a shame I don't have you on more, especially with the election coming up in your analysis of Pennsylvania. We appreciate your time and your service to the country. Thanks for coming on. Much appreciated.

You got it, my friend. Talk soon.

Good man right there, Sean Pornell. Follow him on Truth and Twitter and everywhere. Good guy. He's not kidding. That's all Trump needs to do tonight. He does not need I'm going to give Dan Bongino's advice. I have not won the presidency. He has. I'm just telling you, as someone who gets paid to analyze this, if he just shows up and does what Donald Trump is fully capable of doing and has done in, what, five 6, 7 debates, who knows? He will be just fine. Put all the pressure on Kamala Harris and make her invent her word salad. Once she starts talking about school busses and Venn diagrams, it's over. And then the school bus, it goes here, and it goes... Greatest clip ever. Coming up, my debate breakdown. This is important. Don't believe all the hype about the debate, but let's hear from our next sponsor. Hey, do you know there are reports of nearly a trillion dollars of infrastructure and pandemic funds yet to be spent. That's right. There's a massive amount of money. The lame duck administration is pushing hard to spend in their last few months. Look it up. If Biden's able to push these funds out, you know what you're going to see?

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My gosh, Trump lost last night. He got crushed. He got killed. It's over. It's the end. Jim, they got him now, Jim. They got him now. The walls are closing in, folks. They're closing in. I'm going to get to all of it. I promise. Kamel Harris, how did she win? You got some evidence? No, I mean, actual evidence. You're going to show me some big, huge shifts and more push-pulls. What about the betting markets where people's actual money is on the line? What about that? You're going to show me? It's weird how they haven't changed when people are betting their own money. It's so strange. I'm going to get to all that, but I am not going to... I made a serious mistake on my podcast. I regret it. I was so passionate about the debate that I did not immediately, and I'm not making this mistake again, address that it is, in fact, one of the darkest days in American history, September 11th. I want to acknowledge the heroes, the civilians, the firemen, the EMS personnel, the paramedics, the dispatchers, the police officers, the ESU teams in New York, the people that perished on that day, that perished after that day, that perished from injuries caused that day.

We say never forget. We mean never forget. We don't mean forget because the debate happened last night or anything else. Today, I'll never forget. I just want to take one small moment to I recognize the Secret Service personnel who I worked with in the job. I was on the job back then, who died. I also want to recognize the ESU, which is the New York City SWAT Team, Emergency Services Unit, Truck 7 members that passed. Those Truck 7 members worked in the police precinct I worked in when I was a police officer, the 7.5. They had the garage. I think to myself all the time, how many times when I was going out into an RMP, a police car to go out on patrol, how many times I passed some of those Truck 7 guys that didn't make it. May God rest your soul. God bless America. And all those who defend her. You should never forget that. I'm very sorry I didn't start that. It's sad the way politics infects your life that sometimes you really lose perspective on The big, big, big things. Not suggesting last night wasn't big. But getting back to that, I was really stunned.

I watched it live. Thank you to everyone who joined us on our livestream. We had a record audience, 349,000 people. So we really appreciate that. And me and Avita had a good time. Avita will be covering the second, third hour with Jim. I was not going to leave the first hour without talking about this debate. Jim's here with me, of course, always. Please don't fall in the trap. Folks, I am always consistent in my messaging to you. Here's the thing about lying. Do you notice? Listen, everybody's told a white lie. Some people have told serious lies. Some people tell serious lies a lot. Here's the thing about lying. Jim, tell me if I'm wrong. The thing about lying that's really hard is it's not the truth. Well, Why does that make it hard? Right, Jim? Because then you got to remember what you said. If Jim walks around telling people his name is Johnny, and then Tony, and then François, he's got to remember what he told everyone his name was. See, when When Jim tells people his name, which is Jim, he doesn't have to remember what his name is. If people ask me, How many kids do I have?

I have to go, Hold on, let me think about it. Seven? Four? No, I have two. I have two kids. It's not hard. See, here's the thing about lying. That's the great part about consistent messaging. Everything I tell you, I tell you if it's a good night or a bad night, because it's going to be a North Star for you. I have insisted to you forever, having run for office, having been around politicians my entire basically adult life at this point, in some way, shape, or form, campaigns and politicians are about two things. What are they? Thank you, Jim. Jim It's like, I've cheated. I've only heard this a thousand times. They are only about snapshots and sound bites. That is it. Anyone telling you otherwise is lying. Debates on the triage of snapshots and sound bites importance are number one. Nobody remembers debates. They remember a picture or a sound bite. No, Dan, that's not true. Okay, what was Barack Obama's third answer against Mitt Romney? You remember it all, right? What was it? Come on, guys. What was it? No, I'm not saying my P1s, I love it. But to the smart asses listening, people remember them, but they don't care.

Tell me, what was the third? I thought you knew. See, if you You ask me right now how old my daughters are, I can tell you. Because I know. Because it's important. If debates are so important and every single answer in syllabus matters, how come you don't remember what I just asked? But if I tell you this line, and you're even remotely involved in politics, you will remember it. Yeah, what is it? The ladies called, and they want their foreign policy back. Oh, yeah, Obama said that. Then the joke about age to Walter Mondo. Oh, yeah, it was Reagan. Then George H. W. Bush looking at his watch. Then George W. Bush, given what was it, Al Gore, that look as he walked across the stage. Then Michael Dukakis, when he was asked about if someone raped his wife, what he would do? People remember those. Those were game changers. Because, yeah, Reagan, not using the age against Mondale. That's what I was talking about. That's what I was referencing. People remember sound bites and snapshots, folks. That is it. So if you're going to sit here and tell me and fall in the liberal left-wing trap, and I would tell you if I think last night was a loss, because there's more than enough time for us to gain background.

And Kamala Harris sucks so bad, I still wouldn't be in a paddock. It was not a loss. It was, at best, a push for Kamala Harris, at best. And that's being Generous. I'll prove it to you. Why the betting markets not changed this morning? Even in the polls, you're going to see nothing outside of a margin of error shift at best, and the polls are worthless anyway, which also I've told you the whole time, because it all depends on how it's weighted. And of course, they're going to do what they did with the fake Kamala Bump, which I told you was fake, and I was right on. They're going to try to show Kamala gets a one point, two point bump after the... It's all That's a fake, man. When I tell you campaigns are about snapshots and sound bites, the one thing people forget all the time is the snapshots portion. You really believe the pictures of Kamala Harris last night with that condescending, nasty look on her face the entire time, locking and laughing an American citizen suffering as their real wages collapse, their jobs go away, they're priced out of the housing rental market, filling up their gas tanks costs $150 to put a couple of gallons of gas in their tank.

You really believe her sitting up there, you saw what the thinker looks she had on? And then the smug thing. I did a little test on the podcast. You should do it, too. Everybody forgets the snapshots portion. The side by sides of Kamala Harris, as Trump is addressing the real problems the Biden-Harris economy has caused for Americans are priceless in the worst way possible. Go to your phone. Go to your phone. Play any clip of Trump and Harris on the screen at the same time. Just hit the screenshot button and have it take like 100 screenshots. You can delete them all. Look at 90 of them. Tell me again, she won last night. She looked everything from obstinate in the face of being confronted with the problems she caused America in their wallets and overseas, to in some cases, locking you, to in other cases, looking like she's lecturing you like a professor. Meanwhile, what did Trump do? He kept this stern face on the whole night. Was it a win? Maybe not. Maybe he didn't look happy. Was it a loss? No. He was basically a Tabula Rasa last night on the snapshot side.

He was a blank slate. If you think Trump's He's an angry guy. You looked at him, he's an angry guy. If you think Trump's a great guy, you're like, Oh, he looks serious. In no way last night is anything that happened, even remotely, a loss, you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what you're talking about. I'm sorry. You fell right in the CNN MSNBC trap, which I told you, did we not? I could waste your time with the clip. I said, If Kamala Harris shows up and is breathing and lies about everything, the entire debate I just said it yesterday. I was trying to warn you, left-wing media outlets will say, This was just unbelievable, a resounding... I mean, this is like Secretariat. I mean, this is like 25 horse lengths here. I mean, I've never seen anything. And a bunch of Not you guys, again. I love you guys. You guys are the best. You see through it. A bunch of even soft Conservatives paroded the narrative. Oh, my gosh, Trump, man, he really beat himself last. He did. He beat himself. You realize you said that same thing? The walls are closing in, guys.

You realize you said that same thing probably close to 10,000 times? You understand that, right? Why should we listen to you now? On the sound bites front, if the sound bites last night were so great for Kamala Harris, and it was a secretariat-like win, 18 horse lengths ahead, why have almost none of Kamala Harris's sound bites gone viral? Why? Have you thought about this? There's that one moment, right? Remember Obama with Romney? The 1980s called. They want their foreign policy back. That was everywhere. Everywhere. Liberals were putting that on posters. They were crying. They were genuflecting. They were screaming, chants. Jim, remember the Radars of Arcton? After they said they were chanting in front of a bomb. Pomphrons were out. They were waving He's beating him down like he was the Messiah, the small-event Messiah. They're like, That's the greatest line ever. Here, here's the chance. This is the chance. Close enough. Monty Python-like chance broke out. That's how they were in reverence to Barack Obama. Why haven't you seen any of that today? Well, let me answer the question, not just ask it. Because folks, nothing Kamala Harris said last night was true. So the media is afraid to put any specific issue-based sound bite out there because they know they're going to get community noted into the phantom zone or that even moderate Republican outlets are going to be like, here's what they'll do.

They'll go, because they've got moderate Republican outlets hate Trump. They'll preface it by saying, Well, Trump lost last night, but... And then they'll put out the comment, and go, But this isn't true. That's what they're afraid of. No one else noticed that? That's why this show is number one. So That's why this show kicks ass and takes names, because we tell you that no one else is going to tell you. Jim's like, How did you just buzz yourself? I didn't. I just said, I don't have a buzzer, buddy. I don't even have a cough button here. If I start coughing on the air, we're screwed. Why not? I don't know. I just don't. Listen to Brother Dan. Listen to Brother Dan. I'm telling you, last night was at best a push. Now, if your critique is going It could be, well, Donald Trump could have said X better and Y better. Folks, there's not a single person who's ever debated in any political race ever, from past to now to perpetuity, who wouldn't love to answer a thousand different things different, me included. I've been in a lot of debates. That's not the point. If you're going to tell me, ridiculously, that Kamala Harris won that debate despite not stating a single factual thing about an issue of substance, and the ABC news debaters/moderators debaters/debaters attacking Trump, I'm going to ask you to back it up.

Give me a single receipt to show me that's true, because I've got receipts showing me you're faking it. One of your favorite guests, Julie Kelly, is coming up next about all of the January sixth secret services of stuff. This is just a fantastic interview, but our next sponsor first. Listen, one of the biggest questions I get from the listeners is, Hey, how do I help grow the parallel economy in the conservative fight? Well, you got to know where your dollars are going. A lot of these credit card companies are funneling millions to left-wing causes and candidates, and they hope you don't notice, but now you have a choice. Coin, C-O-I-G-N, is America's conservative credit card. Find them at coign. Com. With every transaction, you can help Coin advance conservative causes and charities at no cost to you. Coin empowers us to take back our country with every swipe, and it's a great looking credit card you love using. It's bright red with we the people on the front. Coinworks everywhere, Visa is accepted, comes with a 100% US-based customer service and consumer protections. It's the The only card worthy of your wallet. Start earning cash back while fighting the Lib agenda today.

Apply now at coin. Com, at coign. Com. Be sure to select Dan Bongino in the How did you hear about us section, Terms apply. Go to coin. Com/disclosure for full details. Thanks, Coyne. Julie Kelly came on to talk about the latest stories breaking in the weaponization of government against Donald Trump trials in the January sixth Pipebomb case. It's an interesting interview. Check this out. So There are three specific areas that I know, again, the outer perimeter of my knowledge, and I know someone who knows so much about them that when I talk about them, I want to have her on. The pipe bomber on January sixth The Twinkies case up in New York and the special tyrant Jack Smith case down in DC. That's Julie Kelly. She actually goes there, sits in the courts sometimes. Nobody knows the case is better than her. We've got some massive legal updates on the weaponization of government. I want to welcome her back to the show. Julie, so good to have you today. Thanks for coming on.

Dan, thank you so much for having me on, as always. Lots to cover this week.

Yeah, a ton. Let's get right to it. Let's do it in reverse order. We will definitely get to the pipe bomber before because I've got an update on that and what your take on it. But Judge Merchant, up in New York, the Alvin Bragg case, so has delayed the sentencing till after the election. Now, I warned my audience, and again, you're a strong woman. You disagree if you I'm crazy. This is not a win. Judge Merchant, I think, clearly knows he's got an evidence problem after the Supreme Court case, admitting the Hope Hicks testimony and others. He realizes if he tries to jail Trump, it'll probably be expedited through the courts and tossed. He's just doing this after the election, hoping Trump loses the political momentum dies so he can toss him in Rykers.

You are absolutely correct, and I will tell you why. Two days before the sentencing hearing that was scheduled for September 18th, which is now delayed until after the election, Judge Mershon, on his own, and we talked about this, was going to issue an order based on the Supreme Court opinion on immunity. He was going to issue an order, very likely saying that Trump's conviction in the New York case is not covered by presidential immunity, even though the timing of it all happened when he was President. He was going to single-handedly say this was personal private conduct not covered in the Supreme Court immunity ruling. Well, what happens after that, Dan? Any immunity court order, any court order related to an immunity issue is automatically appealed. Pretrial is called an interlocutory appeal. This is one of the few circumstances where this can happen pretrial, would be automatically appealed, and all proceedings would be halted, including the sentencing. So this is his way of CYA, because now he can look like he's trying to be magnanimous. When his immunity order two days earlier, when he would come back and say it wasn't covered under the Supreme Court ruling, everything would be stayed as the appeal went forward.

You are right. This is That's a big... It is a win, but only with some context there.

Right. This is one of those you can't quit your fired moments where it's like he knows he's in trouble. Again, he's trying to look like he's taking some legal high road when in fact, he's doing nothing of the sort. He actually boxed himself into a really precarious legal corner. But that interlocutory appeal, that's a brilliant addition. See, that's why I like to have you on. I know you follow this stuff. Let's get to another case, too. You pointed this out. I was freezing my butt off in the cold plunge this morning, and I always read your tweets, especially about the special tyrant Jack Smith case, about the January sixth alleged insurrection, peacefully and patriotically DC. And Judge Chutkan also has moved that case. And a bunch of people yesterday, I know you saw it. I'm not knocking anyone, folks. Don't take it personal. Sometimes you see something you want to celebrate. We're like, Wow, this is great. A little bit of a win. That's not going to happen after the election. But you pointed out something on your Twitter feed, and I saw a playbook this morning reiterated that that's not what happened at all.

Judge Chutkan is given Jack Smith an opportunity a week before the election to to do something. Kind of, right? Explain to the audience.

Yes. So first of all, I want to emphasize, and people have not covered or seen my tweet thread on this yesterday after I left the courtroom. This is why we need cameras in the courtroom, Dan, the American people should have seen not just her conduct, her eye rolling, her snide comments on the side to get laughter from the anti-Trump courtroom, her folding her arms and holding up her hand and interrupting Donald Trump's lawyer, John Lohro, while, of course, appeasing everything that Jack Smith, who was also in the courtroom yesterday, and his prosecutors were saying. But the more egregious statements that she made, that the election schedule has no place in her courtroom. Now, she has said this for over a year. She said it again yesterday. She also hinted that whatever immunity order she comes back with, with the existing elements of Jack Smith now watered down indictment, her immunity order Which will, again, just like we're expecting from Judge Mirshawn to say the interactions between vice President pence and Donald Trump were private and personal, not covered by a Supreme Court immunity order, that she knows that will be Reversed. She said that in court yesterday.

Imagine a federal judge laughing off a Supreme Court ruling and then saying, I know I'm going to order this. I'm going to issue an opinion this way, but it will be reversed. I don't care, is subtext to that, because she will advance this case. She was angry. She was irritated. You could tell that she feels very... She's offended at the Supreme Court reversing her immunity order, the original one last year. Furthermore, Chief Justice John Roberts taking digs at her for not doing her due diligence on this historical matter. She also said, This case has nothing to do with the presidency of the United This is the most historic presidential immunity case in American history, and she's treating it like a four-count indictment against a drug dealer in Washington, DC.

Well, I mean, Julie, you're there in the courtroom. It's clear as day, she's a politician. She's not acting as a judge at all. I mean, follow her on Twitter. She's @julie_kelley, the number two, @julie_kelley, the number two. If you want updates on the weaponization trials. Let's get to the January sixth. You have a book about January sixth. It's called January sixth. That's the title. If you want to pick it up. It is a definitive account of what happened that day. I want to address two things I got from a whistleblower, let's say, a couple of weeks ago. A guy who was there, Julie, photos to back it up. I know exactly who this guy is. His bona fides are unimpeachable. Like I said, there, got all the evidence packaged up. He passed some interesting stuff to us. There's been a lot of speculation. I think you and I in the audience know there were FBI assets in the crowd. That's not breaking news. But this guy confirmed it to me. And one of the details he put out there that I was unaware of is that the comms were so bad that day that a lot of the working agents and assets within the crowd that I can now confirm to you.

I know you know they were there, but I can now confirm to you we're there. We're actually using store bought walkie talkies because the comms just totally melted down that day. That's how much detail this guy had. But you've been reporting on feds inside the crowd for a long time, so your thoughts on that whistleblower?

I can't wait to hear more. I think we are going to get more whistleblowers like that coming forward, especially as we sit and wait the Department of Justice Inspector General, Michael Horowitz's report that hopefully he will release before the election. Fbi Director Chris Ray said a few weeks ago that that report is going to cover the use and number of confidential human sources. I'm hearing that it's a pretty significant number, But I think that that will just be another huge bombshell and revelation suggesting how deeply the government was involved in orchestrating, executing the events of January sixth, including, and I've covered this myself, I have video of CHS who committed crimes that day, who assaulted police, who damaged property, who entered the building. So this is going to be a much bigger story. But yes, they were not just FBI CHS, We know that there were- Confidential human sources is what you're seeing.

Correct.

Yes. Informance is the common name for that. But also Undercover DC Metro Police, Plane Closed Capital Police, DHS officers. I mean, you had numerous agencies there with Plane Closer, Undercover Officers, or undercover officers or informants on the ground. The question, Dan, that we need to keep amplifying is, if you had all these law enforcement agents and offices, why did that happen? We were told everyone was caught off guard. Well, you weren't. Yes. I think, and by the way, Julie's batting average on conspiracy theories is a solid 1,000 with about 725 at bats.

Yeah, Julie has been talking about this forever, but you're correct. I want to get to one last piece of this with what the whistleblower told me. Excuse me. But there's only two scenarios. Either your undercover assets did not do their job at all, at all that day, and are completely incompetent, or a more nefarious thing, the undercover assets, whatever they may have been, assets, sources, agents, whatever, took part in this. There's no third scenario. But let me get to this because I don't want to run out of time. We're talking to Julie Kelly. Give her a follow @julie_kellytoo on X Twitter. The guy, the whistleblower, told me another thing. He said, Dan, I'm reasonably confident that the guy who planted the bombs on January sixth, the pipe bombs at the Capitol Hill Club RNC and at the DNC where Kamala Harris was. He said, I'm reasonably confident this person was a government contractor. I said, Why? He said, Because we were given a briefing immediately after these pipe bombs were found with details about a guy in a hoodie and basically told all hands on deck, Go find this person. It's hinting it was some MAGA terrorist, and we got to find him because you know, Julie, it was an insurrection, of course, if you believe the government's story.

He said, Something interesting happened. He said, Two days later, we were told to stand down, given no explanation, emphasis his, at all. He said, An after-action report he wrote up was he was told basically to make it go away. I mean, the government, at this point, I'm pretty convinced someone in the government knew that this was an inside job, these pipe bombs.

Right. That is very revealing, and I think speaks to your suspicion that this was perhaps a training exercise, gone awry, or others who have speculated that. I need to be careful saying this because I don't want to implicate anyone who's innocent. But it's important to recall that the woman who found the RNC Pipebombs worked for FirstNet, which is the Private Public Partnership, the First Responders Communication Network, that also was involved in January 6, by the way, that she discovered the RNC pipe bomb, if she was going to do her laundry that day, coincidentally 20 minutes before the joint session started at one o'clock, And also, of course, coinciding with the Ray Epps breach, exterior breach of the capital. The timing, as Daran Beatty has said, very suspicious, but also her involvement. What's the likelihood of a My First Net contractor, which Carlyn Younger was, First Net, who had received a $92 million grant from the FBI the month before, a few weeks actually before January sixth, now all of a sudden, just coincidentally, she goes to do her laundry. I don't think she's ever been interviewed by the FBI. She certainly was never interviewed by the January sixth Select Committee.

Steven D'Antuano, who headed the Washington field office, when he was asked about the person who discovered the pipe bomb, had that individual ever been interviewed by the FBI, he couldn't even remember. So this just adds to another layer of suspicion and seems to support perhaps that this individual planted, discovered whoever was a government contractor.

Julie, it's just strange because the discoverers of these pipe bombs, the Capitol Hill police officer and this other person, if the insurrection narrative is real, they're heroes, right? I mean, they stopped some mega terrorist. I mean, really, I don't understand why they're not... I'm not even being sarcastic about it. If the media narrative is real, I only got 30 seconds, but we're talking Julie Kelly at julie_kelly2 on X. I think my training exercise, I know you know this, but my training exercise theory is not that it was an actual training exercise. I know you know this. It's that that's what's going to be the excuse later. They planted these bombs clearly to say, Stop talking about the stolen election on certification. There's bombs out there. And then when what happened at the Capitol happened, they were like, Damn, we don't need the bombs anymore. How do we make this go away? Let's just tell everyone it was a training exercise. That's right. I'm sorry. I am absolutely certain that's what's going to happen. I'm telling you, I bet my right arm on it. Julie, you're the best. Thanks for coming on last minute. We always rely on you for legal analysis these cases.

Thanks so much.

Thanks for all your work, and thanks for covering mine, Dan.

You got it. Julie Kelly, man, there's nobody... She sits in the courtroom and watches this stuff. You would have never gotten that detail anywhere else. Judge Chetkin clearly annoyed that President Trump, Jim, has the cojones to mount a legal defense against a fake crime made up by the deep state. Man, on this guy. Crazy time. Next, one of my fiery rants. I was probably in a mood for this one. You're going to want to check it out. I sleep on a Helix mattress. Sleep's super important for your overall wellness. You're sharper, you're better the next day. I sleep on a Helix because I love it. The Helix is my second one. The Helix lineup offers 20 unique mattresses, including their award-winning Lux and Ultra Premium Elite collections. The Helix Plus, a mattress designed for big and tall sleepers, and the Helix Kids' mattress designed for growing bodies. Take the Helix Sleep Quiz. Find the perfect mattress in under two minutes. And your personalized mattress is shipped straight to your door, free of charge. Helix offers a 100-night trial, a 10-15-year warranty to try your new Helix mattress. Every Helix mattress is a hybrid design, combining individually wrapped steel coils in the base with premium foam layers on top.

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It doesn't make the outcome of what he did any worse. Whether you advocate for communist policies and sign a bunch of communist-style bills because you meant it or didn't means nothing to me. All that matters is what you did, not what you were thinking. But it is critical you understand that Kamala Harris is different. She is a devout, San Francisco-style liberal, and we are on in San Francisco, and you see what they've done to that great city. This is who she is. There is not going to be any prerequisite for people to get into the White House to have to sell them on why communism matters. You see what I'm getting at here? She's going to invite you in if you're a Communist like AOC or the rest of the crew, because she actually believes it. She He truly believes it. I want you to take a moment. I don't like doing this, and I'm sorry, but Jim, cut five if you would. Jim's a little tired today, by the way, folks. So send him your thoughts at JJ Verdi on X. No, seriously, poor guy's dog is in bad shape. So dogs are like your kids.

I've got a dog myself. Jim has been up all night. He's a good guy. Taking care of his dog. Serious. I'm sorry, Jim. Hope you don't mind I put that out there. The dog, hopefully, will be okay, but the dog was coughing all night. Poor Jim is tired, so I feel bad. But he always shows up. Always shows up. He's always ready to bat third. We love dogs. I mean, we love dogs and cats, too. Some I don't know if you'll get that. Ducks, too, and geese. I like. They're nice. Quack, quack. Just going to let that brew for a second. What? Okay, back to serious time, because that's what we do on this show. Justin knows the trick, and so does Jim. If there's a slow news week, I got to put out an interesting show for you. What I'll do is I'll use the slow news time to to go and do some really educational, instructional stuff. I don't mean like, Bongino University 101 or something. I mean, if there's not a really crazy news cycle, I'll go out and find a Yuri Besmanoff clip, Milton Friedmann, Thomas Sowell, and I'll take the opportunity to talk about big global issues like the conflict of visions, as Thomas Sow calls it, between liberals and Conservatives.

And the shows always do well. I am not playing this Thomas Sow clip because the news cycle is slow, okay? We've got a president who just was shot in the head. We've got the January sixth Pipebarmer story, a debate tonight. We've got polls shifting all over. This is not a slow news cycle. But I need you to listen to this. It's about 50 seconds of the greatest economic philosopher of our time, Thomas Sowell. It's about government doing something. I want you to keep this minute long or so clip in your head tonight as you watch two candidates on stage who could not be more disparate in their views or different in their views. You've got one, Kamala Harris, who is unquestionably a socialist, arguing that government is going to solve the problems you individuals can't. You've got another candidate who thinks the exact opposite and is governed that way. He cut your taxes to give you back more of your money. He cut government red tape like no president in modern history to give you back control over your lives. He was a forceful General Advocate of School Choice, his Education Secretary, who's the primary, one of the big funders of the School Choice Movement.

You have one who believes in government solving your problems, and one who believes the cause of your problems is the very same entity. Keep this clip in your head as you're watching tonight. Check this out.

When people say things like, The government has to do something, I say, Have you ever studied what happens when the government does something compared to what happens when they don't do anything? For 150 years, the government of the United States did when there was a depression. No depression during all those 150 years was ever as bad as the Great Depression of the 1930s, in which the government did more than it had ever done before in its entire history. The stock market crash occurred in October 1929. Two months later, unemployment peaked at 9%, and then it started declining. And by June of 1930, it was down to 6.3%. That was when the first government intervention took place. Within six months, it was in double digits, and it stayed in double digits for the entire decade of the 1930s.

It's a pretty good point, folks. Now, Thomas Sowell is a genius. His book, Vision of the Anointed, pretty much changed my life. I can't recommend his writings and his videos enough, but go to any video platform if you're bored. Today is probably not the day because you're busy. We got a debate tonight. But when a news cycle is slow, and go and just listen. Rumble, YouTube, whatever. Just listen to the genius of this guy. He was once a liberal. I don't know if you know that, earlier in his career. You know what converted him? Yeah, he was basically a social Communist. He was given an assignment as a communist to study the effects of minimum wage. He actually got a hold of the data, and he realized he'd been lied to by Marxist forever. And is now probably the premier economic philosopher for individual liberty and freedom. Let me ask you a question tonight as you're watching on stage, Kamala Harris, who's going to argue for more government doing stuff. What stuff has the government done for you? Let me answer as a liberal. I'll debate myself. Well, Dan, they provided for a retirement. Really?

It's bankrupt. No, it's not. Okay. Go to your phone right now. Let's redo data, correct? You're a liberal. I know you're inherently probably pretty stupid, but you can pick up a phone and do this. Put Social Security, actuaries, bankruptcy 2033. Look, look it. So the government, which is stolen stolen trillions of dollars from you, trillions of dollars from generations of Americans, it said, We are going to put it, Jim, in a lockbox. Not only has nothing in the lockbox, it's all been spent, but is actually having a hard time funding it with tax revenues from what it didn't spend. And now we'll have to give you less in just a few years because everything it spent you gave them is gone, and they don't even have enough with the money they have now to replace what they stole from you. You're like, Man, if Morgan Stanley did that, they'd be in jail. Yeah, correct. They would. Okay, so let's throw that out. The government has done nothing for your retirement. They basically stole your money and spent it and have no lockbox whatsoever. What else has government done for you? Like, government's definitely helped me out.

They have Medicaid, Medicare, and that's great. Yet Medicare is going broke, too, and Medicaid is currently bankrupting the government. Also, when you look at the data on Medicaid, you realize this really weird thing that the outcomes, post-surgical outcomes, and all kinds of outcomes for various diseases are far worse when the government It was helping. Matter of fact, I remember this study. Was it Vetter? It was a study I read when I was running for office that was so... It was earth-shaking to me that the outcomes for people on Medicaid, post-surgical outcomes of this one study, they were worse for people on Medicaid than people with private insurance, which you'd probably say, Yeah, okay, because private insurance and free market insurance always going to outperform the government. I think even dopey liberals will quietly acknowledge That's not the zinger. The zinger was the patients on Medicaid had worse outcomes than people with no insurance at all. Think about that. Trillions of dollars given to the government to manage health care, and you had a better chance post-surgical outcomes if you had no insurance at all. You want to talk about the government sucking? The government sucks at everything.

Outside of our military, outside of our military, and in some places, a functioning core system. The government sucks at everything. You are going to have two candidates on stage tonight, one who epitomizes the sucking in a way never epitomized in modern American history. She was given a job. Hey, can you go manage the border as the borders are? We had about 2.5 million illegal crossings in four years under Trump. She was like, Oh, I'll manage it. We've had 8 to 10 million under her. I'll manage it by allowing four times as many people in illegally. What? Can you tell me one thing the government's done right? Government's going to eradicate poverty. That's really strange. Poverty levels have stayed relatively consistent despite, again, tens of trillions of at the federal state and local level to, quote, eradicate poverty. Well, the government, they can definitely manage schools. Oh, they can. Our public schools in the OECD countries, the economically advanced countries around the world are at the bottom. No, we're not even at the median or the mode or even the average. We're at the bottom because the government sucks. Whenever When the government does something, you get worked.

No matter what you think of these two candidates, there is zero question that there is only one candidate on stage that is going to reduce the footprint of the sucky, garbage federal government in your life. And that's Trump. The other one wants you to crave the suck, enjoy the suck. She wants you to embrace the suck, and she wants more of the suck. That's Kamala Harris. Absolutely loves crap, garbage government in your life. Folks, when the government tells you they're about to do something, you run for the hills. Jim, I want to play this one last clip quick, if you don't mind. Cut seven. Here's Joe Biden, their signature plan they're running on, the Inflation Reduction Act, which they told you would reduce inflation, admitting that it was really the crappy, garbage, green boondogel act, and that they lied to you. This is why inflation went up when they pumped all this money into these million and billion dollar Green New Deal companies. Check this out. My investments That, through my investments, the most significant climate change law ever. And by the way, it is a $369 billion bill. We should have named it what it was.

But at any rate, there you go. I love it when they say the quiet part out loud. It was a big green boon dogel. That's what happens when the government does something. Thanks for listening to this podcast. I hope this answers a lot of questions for you. Tune in Monday at Rumble at 11:00 AM Live and on the radio show starting at noon Eastern for more. You just heard Dan Pongino.