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The Miami of today is the America of tomorrow. But before the Miami of today can be the America of tomorrow. The Miami of today has got to be the Florida of tomorrow. And breaking news this week, Roy, your boy, Javier Ortiz. Not my boy. Do not put that curse on me. I am yelling with purpose. Miami police captain-Not my boy. Miami police captain, Javier Ortiz, not Roy's boy. Not my boy. Has been labeled, quote, Miami's most corrupt cop, end quote. He has over 50 citizen complaints, 20 use of force incidents, three suspensions, a termination, a reinstatement. He's caused taxpayers over $600,000 in brutality lawsuit settlements. That's not to mention the legal fees. He got promoted twice after falsely claiming he's Black on a 2014 lieutenant's exam and again on a 2017 captain's application. Incidentally, his original application to the Miami Police Department said he's a white Hispanic. A joint FBI and FDLE, that's the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, investigation found that Ortiz, quote, engaged in a pattern of abuse and bias against minorities, particularly African-Americans, end quote.

He just- Low black on black crime, huh?

Ortiz, not your boy, just- Not my boy. Just joined Ron DeSantis' paramilitary force known as the Florida State Guard.

What?

Oh, that's BS. No, totally, totally BS. That's right. The headline is an Infamous Miami Cop Joins Ron DeSantis's Paramilitary Force. You'll remember that Ron DeSantis, a few years back, re, I don't know what the term would be, I guess, reinstated this Florida State Guard to ostensibly assist in disaster relief, hurricanes, stuff like that, only for its recruits and even its leadership. They went through three leaders in about eight months. They kept leaving, going, This is not what we signed up for. This is a militia. We're being trained to assist law enforcement. They've since been dispatched to the Texas border to do what? I'm not entirely sure, but I know someone who might be sure, and that is a national political reporter for thebullwork. Com. Mark Caputo, who back when he was at Politico, wrote the seminal article on Javier Ortiz. I think the headline was like, The Bad Cop Who runs Miami or something like that. He was right because Javier Ortiz was also the longtime President of the FOP, the fraternal order of police, the police union that basically ran the police department because they were negotiating the collective bargaining agreement, the contract for the police department.

So this guy literally built in to that contract his own trapped doors that he could escape through every time he got into trouble. And it was really miraculous. Mark, what was your reaction to the news this week that your boy, not Roy's boy, but your boy- I'm a boy. Your boy, Ortiz, joined? I mean, I don't even know what you'd call this band of Keystone Cops that Ron DeSantis has going. But what was your reaction?

Of course he did. It's so goddamn weird that the thing about Javier Ortiz is that if there's a nuclear blast, there's going to be cockroaches, scorpions, and Javier Ortiz that survive. What really surprised me when I wrote that piece in Politico, I guess it would have been in 2022, was just his survivability A few months ago, I'd come across the Javi Orteiz files I had assembled, and it was like five Bibles worth of just material. It's not just that Javi Orteiz had mastered the art of the collective bargaining agreement when he was the FOP union boss here, is that he also knew the law, and broadly speaking and statewide speaking, what the police unions have done is something that no other union has done, which is just built in a myriad of special protections in state law that are called Leo Bors, Law Enforcement Officers Bill of Rights. That's what it stands for. It essentially gives them a protection and a series of protections that no other worker in any other profession has. Now, they argue, Well, look, we put our lives on the line. We have to pull our guns at a certain point.

We've just got to shoot these motorists. Who knows? I'm being partly facetious.

Jesus.

They have these protections that are built in. But ultimately, what I found in my reporting is the amount of protections that they have in law allows a guy like Javi Ortiz to operate as this petty tyrant with a badge and a gun. Now, yeah, sure. He got out of hand, I think, once he cracked some guy's orbital bone in his face when he just beat him up randomly, according to police documents.

I think that was after a Miami Heat Championship celebration on the streets of downtown Miami, right out here. Right.

If you watch the video of that guy, and I I wish I had prepared for this and sent it to you. It's hard to see how that guy deserved the beat down that he got. But a pattern just emerged where it's the police, it's in this case, Javi Ortiz, and then the piece of shit, Citizenry. That if they don't listen to him and they give him back talk, he beats the fuck out of him. But not too bad. He knew just to give him a bit of a tune up, but not too much. He just got away with it, got away with it, got away with it. Finally, his ultimate suspension or his ultimate punishment, he was basically forced not to work, not to have a gun, and then earn hundreds of thousands, more than $100,000 a year.

I'm still hung up on this new gig that he has now. It sounds like a National Guard at the state level. Is that a normal thing?

It is. Technically, in a number of states, they do have state guards. Desantis resurrected it, coincidentally, in advance of his presidential run, and also as Republican states across the nation began to increasingly resist President Biden. This gives them the ability to have a militarized state law enforcement presence, a national guard or a state guard, a National Guard or a State Guard, a National Guard style, without actually being directly under the control of the federal government. Now, you're seeing in Texas what happens when a Republican governor crosses a President too much, there's now a dispute over war airplanes, airplanes and military equipment going to the National Guard in Texas because that governor, Abbott, has crossed the Biden administration one too many times over immigration.

If the Civil War starts up again, we basically know that the south is going to rise again because of this force.

I'm telling you, man, if the Civil War starts again, the amount that the south is armed to the teeth, I'm going to be on the side of the winners here. Sorry.

Well, you looked apart, Mark, so I'm not going to begrudge you that.

I still got that 850 area code.

Yeah, you're a panhandle man.

That's technically the big bend, by the way.

You are the grip of the gun or the scrotum of the penis there in the state of Florida. So it was Matt Gates. So what Mark was getting at- Gracias, Matt Gates. What Mark was getting at there is that they thought the third time was going to be the charm for Javi Ortiz's third suspension. He was ultimately terminated in September of 2022 for cause. But here's the thing about this guy. The guy wrote the contract, and that's the thing. You come for the king, you better make it a kill shot, because if you don't, he will rise again. And sure as shit, Sure as shit, though, he gets rehired in May of '23, months later in a settlement with City Manager Art Noriega, now disgraced, fired City Attorney, Tricky, Vicky Mendez. He gets all back pay, all benefits of his $155,000 a year salary. The deal is, as Mark said, he has to work the night shift from home while he also gets to get outside work and employment so he can get a second job while he's supposed to be working for the taxpayers, and he must retire on November seventh, 2025, with his full public pension.

That's what happens to, quote, Miami's worst cop is, as Caputo says, he gets $155,000 a year from the taxpayers for the rest of his life.

Awesome job, if you can get it.

Yeah. Can you imagine you're just sitting in that bedroom right there, Mark, and someone's paying you $155,000 a year, you don't got to do a goddamn thing.

Well, also, it's not just the money, it's the fun that this sadistic guy had along the way. He got to beat the fuck out of dozens of Miamians, Floridians, vacationers. When you thumb through the file, what just comes across is just this guy who just liked to just smack people around with his badge as his defense. This is the ultimate result of, again, these generous state laws, the way in which unions, a better said police union, certainly not teachers unions, are able to negotiate contracts. I would not be surprised if Javier Ortiz went up in the state legislature. That would be my prediction.

Of course, absolutely.

The thing is, Javier Ortiz, actually, when you talk to him, he's very charming, he's very smart. Very smart. Yeah, he's funny. He displays a lot of the characteristics.

I don't want to be too much of a- I don't want to get to an Ossie Guian situation here, but you have to respect the guy. I mean, he is a survivor. And he's black. And he's black. He's going to be the first black governor of the state of Florida is what he's going to be. But I have to point out also that the state- You do not, in fact, have to hand it to Hitler. The stay in the stay. Okay, there you go.

Jesus. Jesus. That's an internet thing. Maybe I went too far. I violated Godwin's law, right? Okay, whatever.

Nazis are his face. I do want to point out, though, that Miami Dade County State Attorney for the last 31 years, Katherine Fernandez-Rundall, who has never charged a law enforcement officer with an on duty killing during her entire time in office. She has had ample opportunities over the last two plus decades of Javier Ortiz's career, where he has caught quite literally red-handed on video, committing alleged battery, certainly violating people's constitutional rights, certainly committing perjury or lying on police reports to cover up that brutality. She has never taken the opportunity to take him off the street. Internal Affairs at Miami Police Department would slow walk the investigations so that consistent with the contract, if they took a certain amount of time, like 100 and some odd days.

That's not the contract. That's state law. That is the The Leobore, right?

They expired. The Leo board, this law enforcement Bill of Rights, by the way, has somehow, inexplicably usurped the United States Constitution somehow miraculously. I don't really understand.

It's explicable. Let's remember one of my favorite quotes from Mao Tsé Tung, which is that all political power comes from the barrel of a gun, and there is one and only one public office that enables you, allows you, and in some cases encourages you to use deadly force and to shoot your fellow man, your fellow citizen, and that is a police officer. They have managed over time to make the laws as such, where unless they are just extremely, extremely, extremely egregious, and Ortiz wasn't extremely, extremely, extremely egregious, just egregious or maybe extremely egregious, they can get away with it. He's a perfect example. He was the test case.

I've got to tell you, I've looked over the Constitution, the Bill of Rights quite a bit. Nowhere in that document does the word police ever appear. It does press. Police. In fact, it appears in the very first amendment of the Bill of Rights. That is the only profession, really, that is protected in any way other than defining the jobs of the government itself. The word police never appears. But they do arrest the press at protests. Right. They apparently have more rights than the only profession that is mentioned in the Constitution of the United States. That said, boy, we just mentioned all the worst people today: Hitler, Mao Zedong, Javier Ortiz, Ossi Guian. Just absolute road's gallery. Today on the show- Ossi Guian is the world champion. Go to thebullwork. Com. Find Mark Caputo. Mark, thanks so much for coming back.

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Here is this documentation of this company, and Richie Keporth thanking you for your help on something? What did you help them on? And helping a constituent is what you're supposed to do. But the payment for that help as an elected official, you know, is what's problematic to constituents. So what is he thanking you for? Of course, that would be problematic. And I have absolutely, by the way, I'm not upset at all at the Miami Héral for writing an article based on- I'm not talking about the Herald at all. In fact, the Hérald is the one who-I'm not upset at any media outlet for talking about it. I'm here to talk about it with you. I'm not upset at anyone for wanting to talk about it. I think it's absolutely in bounds. So what were they thanking you for? I have no idea what he was thanking me for. I If you put garbage in, you're going to get garbage out. That was back when Miami mayor Francis Suarez- Fancy poster leader. Was willing to talk to the press about his litany of side hustles, outside gigs, conflicts of interest, getting paid $10,000 a month on a retainer from a local developer who was lobbying City Hall and for whom the mayor's office helped overcome a very serious zoning issue that was going to cost him millions of dollars and months in delays.

And now, Francis Juarez is literally, bro, running away from the press whenever he can, like a fugitive wanted. How can I help? And joining us once again on Because Miami is Sarah Blasky, award-winning journalist for the Miami Hérald on their investigative team, who has been chasing Francis Juarez as he runs away from the media at events like the state of the City. Earlier this year, we saw that video on an earlier episode of Because Miami in 2024. But the latest news this week, headline, Miami mayor subpoenaed to testify in SEC's case against developer who paid him. Rishi Kippur, this guy who had deals all over town, his shady dealings have been connected to no less than three mayors: Suarez, Ponzi Postalita in Miami, the mayor of Hialea, Esteban Steve Bovo, and the mayor, of course, of Coral Gables, Vin Slago. Billy Corbin. Now, I was making you... I live to make you smile, right? It makes me happy. It brightens my whole damn day. Here's the thing. Richie Kippour, his entire world, this once high-flying developer, crumbled last year in two foreclosures, fraud allegations, investigations by an alphabet soup of federal agencies, the FBI, the SEC, the IRS.

Now, thanks to a subpoena from the SEC, the mayor has been dragged into it. Sarah, we've learned all sorts We have new information this week, just when we thought we had heard it all about the relationship between these two guys. We've got more money than we previously knew. We've got secret yacht meetings at Cocaine Plum. It's actually Coco Plum, but the DEA used to call it Cocaine Plum. It's the neighborhood that inspired Oliver Stone to put Tony Montana's house basically there. Sarah, what are we learning now this week that we did not know before about this situation?

Sure. I think it's important to start with last year. One of the first things that the mayor told us was that he was not going to provide his contract with Richie Kippour. The news came out, he was working for this developer who was seeking permits in the city of Miami. But he said, No, I am not going to provide the documentation that would reveal what my job was, when it started, how much I was paid, how much I'm paid. Instead, I'm going to ask the residents of Miami, the taxpayers of Miami, to trust that there's no conflict of interest and trust that if there were, he would disclose it. Mr.

Miriam, you're brilliant. You're super smart.

So now, as the SEC has been investigating Richie Kapoor, primarily, he's the first Part of the first wave of this federal investigation will be into Richie Kapoor and his companies. We are learning more about what's in that contract. Investigators have seen the contract, more and more people have seen it, and the Hérald has now been able to learn what's in it. What we understand was not only did the mayor make about $30,000 more than we previously understood, he also had several other perks written into that contract, including an offer for an equity share in the company, although it's not clear that he ever actually did go through with it. But there were also commissions written into the contract for finding deals or finding land that might be... Sorry, finding investors or finding land that might be useful to Rishi Kippur's development company. And so all of that is revelatory. It tells us the depth of this relationship. But the thing that I think will be most important, especially to those investigators at the FBI, the Local Ethics Commission, the State Attorney's Office, who are really focused on whether Mayor Suarez misused his public office for his private gain, the part that they're going to be most interested in is the date of this contract.

Mayor Suarez started working for Rishi Kippur in July of 2021. And this is important because at that same time, the mayor had been engaged for about a year at that point through his mayoral office in various meetings with the developer, trying to change some city laws. There was actually an overlap between the work he did as mayor for this developer developer and when he started receiving payments.

I think that Richie Kabor was not necessarily successful in what he had been lobbying for at City Hall at that point, if I'm not mistaken, despite the fact that it appears as though there He did have allies in the city who were helping him draft and share this possible legislation that would be beneficial to his private business. But once the mayor was on the payroll, and again, the mayor would have us believe this is purely coincidental and he didn't actually know what was going on with his own private client who was paying him $10,000 a month, what his dealings were with the city. But after that time period, he did suddenly start getting relief from the city. Did he not?

What he first wanted was a change in the code that was written about co-living spaces or micro-units, basically these tiny little apartments that have some shared living, maybe like a kitchen or something with other little apartments. It's supposed to be a solution to the affordability crisis that Miami is facing. That's how he was pitching it. But it's not really something that the code accounts for. And so originally what Richie Kabor wanted and what he approached the mayor's office to help him with was to pitch some new code language that would basically make some rules and parameters that he could work within. Of course, rules that he wanted into the Miami code. And so there are actually documents showing Richie Kabor's brother actually writing in a document and submitting that language to the mayor's office and back and forth with mayors helping set up meetings with other commissioners. But ultimately, you're right, this ordinance did not pass this year. It was deferred numerous times in 2021, although it never really died. It continued to be resurface. And eventually, they did pass an ordinance that looked very similar to this one, but not for years afterwards. That's when Rishi Kippur decides, never mind, I'm going to apply for a building permit anyway to start developing one of these units in coconut Grove.

Almost immediately, he hits a roadblock. His design does not comply with certain zoning regulations there. He doesn't want to redesign the building because one, that's costly. And two, then you lose square footage based on this particular zoning thing, which was a step back requirement for that particular area of the Grove. And so he's looking for options. And internally, Company Minute show, Richie Kvor was planning to and allegedly did, according to these documents that were provided to company shareholders, allegedly did go to the mayor to help him overcome that zoning hurdle. Now, the mayor denies this. He denies that any meetings ever happened at that point. He denies knowing anything about the city's involvement with Kippur's company at that point. But then in October, when this zoning hurdle has just... It's reached a point of impediment. There's pretty much no moving forward. It looks like it's going to extremely expensive to redesign the building. Then Richie Kippur calls someone in the mayor's office. He calls the mayor's director of Constituent Affairs and says, Can you help me push this through? And then he does. And that aid in the mayor's office calls the zoning director and says, Hey, can you work with these guys?

Within a month, the problem is cleared up. There are people that would deny that there was any real pressure. The zoning director has said it It wasn't because he felt pressure, but that he saw the logic of the argument that was made through the mayor's office that he changed his mind about this zoning. But ultimately, the permit was given. And then, of course, there is the photo of Mayor Suarez standing next to Rishi Kippur at the ceremonial groundbreaking for this development in January of 2023.

To be clear, Miami zoning director Daniel Goldberg was against this. He did a total about face. He did a 180 on this in order to, following the intervention of the mayor's office, grant this waiver to a developer who was paying the mayor at the time $10,000 a month secretly, while the mayor was, apparently, by all accounts, lobbying on behalf, or at least people within the mayor's office were lobbying on behalf of this very lucrative waiver for this development. Daniel Goldberg, I should add, is a co-defendant, Roy, on the most recent federal lawsuit from the owners, the Little Havana business owners that we know that won a 63.5 million dollar corruption judgment against Joe Carollo last year. You remember Joe.

He's a white beater, white beater. Yeah. He haven't struck Carollo.

He's a white beater.

No idea. Based on those same facts and the evidence and testimony that came out through that trial, they have now accused a litany of what they call the Carollo cabal in the city of Miami. Amongst those people are are the enablers of him to weaponize city government against private business owners to, out of political retaliation, violate their constitutional rights. They include, of course, City Manager General Art Noriega, disgraced ex-city attorney, Tricky Vicky Mendez, and zoning director Daniel Goldberg, who's also implicated in this Richie Kippour situation. Sarah, before I let you go, a lot of shady shit, Roy, happens on boats in this town. That's a staple of organized nice crime movies, too. There's always a mob boss on a boat trying to evade police surveillance. There's always those long lens surveillance photos of secret meetings. But this story contains, your story this week, Sarah, contains a secret yacht meeting, the timing of which, as you pointed out earlier, is compelling in the world of these investigations. Can you tell us about that? Sure.

So this meeting that happened on Rishi Kippur's yacht in the Cocoa Plum Marina happened in August of 2021. And this is important because the meeting wasn't a private meeting between two businessmen. This was a meeting that was set up through the mayor's office. So a meeting between mayor Suarez and Rishi Kippur on a boat in Coco Plum Marina in the evening after, again, a year of trying to write new code ordinances for the city. And we don't know what they discussed, but what we do know because of the timing of the contract was that Mayor Suarez, at that point on the side, had already received $20,000 of payments from Richie Kippour in his private capacity. Well, it appears he was still meeting in his public capacity with his own private boss on a boat in Coco Club Marina. The one thing I would say, pushing back against your description, is that in Mayor Suarez's case, he also did bring several police officers with him. They were part of his sergeant at arms detail, follows him everywhere. He initially had invited four of them onto this boat. Records show, although it doesn't sound like all of them attended for whatever reason.

It's just unbelievable. You never know which hat this guy's wearing, Roy. Is he the mayor? Is he a lawyer? Is he the consultant for this developer? Is he the private equity guy? Is he the crypto guy? It's impossible to know. I should post-script this story, with the fact that last November, Richie Kippour's new 68-foot yacht was seized after he defaulted on the $4.4 million boat loan.

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Today, the most restrictive abortion ban our state has ever seen went into effect.

Florida's six-week abortion ban taking effect overnight, becoming official at the stroke of midnight. The state now joining several others in the South that either prohibit abortions, as seen in dark red, or only allow it in the first few weeks of pregnancy before many women even know they're pregnant. The near total ban on abortions now forcing doctors to redirect their patients to other states where the procedure is still legal, many of which are thousands of miles away. Officials with Planned Parenthood are now encouraging voters to support Florida's right to an abortion initiative or Amendment 4, which will be on the ballot this coming November. Let me be clear, since here in the state of Florida, our education system is in the toilet, and we also have, I think we rank 50th in the country for teacher pay, what these numbers mean. Six weeks is zero. Six is zero. It is not a six-week abortion It is an abortion ban, full stop. Most women don't know. In eight weeks, some women don't know that they're pregnant or find out that they're pregnant. Outside, of course, this is a total abortion ban. Outside of the handful of exceptions that our benevolent government has decided that we, the unwashed masses, are capable of determining.

Women also only have two scans over the course of their pregnancy to identify any problems with the fetus or with the health of the pregnancy at about between 11 and 14 weeks, between 18 and 21 weeks. This government-mandated science denying medieval torture makes it impossible for women, along with their doctors, their families, their own clergy to make decisions about their well-being and their family planning. We have talked about this on the show repeatedly. We have had women like Anya Cooke and Deborah Dorbert who had been victims, victims of this big government tyranny. Joining us now is Alexandra Mondado, the President and CEO of Planned Parenthood of Southeast and North Florida. Find her at floridiansprotectingfreedom. Com. We know how dangerous the 15-week abortion ban was for Floridians. What are the immediate concerns and implications for the health of Floridians under this? What I'm going to just say is an outright abortion ban.

I couldn't agree you more. I mean, it is an outright ban, and the impact is devastating. It's cruel. It's unimaginable that politicians are making decisions about how and when we want to be a parent and if we want to be a parent. The impact, what we're seeing is women, and let's be clear, women, when they first miss their period, they're already four weeks pregnant. Here in Florida, we have 24-hour waiting period. What that means is a woman has to go in, they do a pregnancy test, the doctor comes back and says, Yes, you're pregnant. Because women can't make decisions for themselves, and that's the other implication, where there is a waiting period. They have to go back home and think about it and come back the next day to have their abortion care. The implication is devastating. We're talking about 84,000 women who had abortions in Florida last year now have nowhere else to go. Also, to be clear, there is no way that the national fabric of abortion care can absorb 84,000 patients. It's absolutely devastating.

In the Southeast, there are restrictions, if not outright, bans on abortion, almost covering this corner of the country. Where is the closest state that women can go for health care?

The closest state that they can get an abortion is North Carolina. They have a 12-week ban in a 72-hour waiting period. And then next is Virginia.

But even if we had airplanes and money to cover the expenses for those 84,000 women, they can't just all go to North Carolina, just in terms of the infrastructure that you were talking about, right?

The entire United States will not be able to absorb 84,000 women.

But let's talk about these numbers for a second, because these are 84,000 women who either are experiencing their own health issues, babies are going to be still born or they're not going to be able to develop to full maturity over nine months, putting both them at risk, maybe the mother at risk. Some of these future potential children would be infirm, sick, unhealthy, disabled, might require care for their entire lives. Many of these children may just be unwanted. My question is, Alexandra, what are the societal implications of these 84,000 women being forced by their government? We talked I'll talk about some of the health implications for the women, but who is going to care for these children, or is that when society doesn't care anymore? Is that when, oh, that would be big government. If we provide health care or social services or education or food, clothing, shelter, medical assistance for these children. That would be big government. That would be socialism. What are the implications if 84,000 women in Florida are forced to try, at least, to give birth next year, this year?

This is what we often ask the opposition because they say, Oh, we'll help you with your baby, and we'll make sure that they get the diapers and whatever they need for the first year. What we're seeing now is there is a Haven state law where had been in existence for many years in the United States. The Florida legislature is really taking a look at this and deciding, Okay, well, places that you can drop off your unwanted baby. Oh, my God. At a fire department, at a hospital, and setting more of those up for these women. Then what?

What happens to these children? I just don't understand. I have so many questions for you, but I want to ask about... There was a lawsuit, rabbi Silver, who was a guest on this program some time ago who just passed, because this has nothing to do with religious... This is so antithetical to so many ideological linchpins of conservatism, of libertarianism. That's the thing, too, is how to get men to give a shit about this because this is about big government. This is about infringing upon some of the most basic rights that we have as human beings. Also, in the case of my people, Roy, religious freedom as well. This infringes upon my fundamental beliefs as a Jew. What is the status of that litigation that Barry Silver was a plaintiff in, fighting this on First Amendment grounds? Where are we?

Unfortunately, in the state of Florida, because of the Florida Supreme Court being so incredibly conservative, there is no pathway. We have spoken to dozens of attorneys who have specialized in constitutional law, and there is no path to success, unfortunately.

I thought religious freedom. I thought we were allowed to practice our religion unimpeded in this country, particularly in the state. Or is it just- It's just Christians.

Crystal fascist. Yeah, This is so frustrating.

You're angry. I've been angry about this for quite some time, and we have women on this program who are victims of these policies, of rich, older white men who form abortion policy crudely, crulely and ignorantly, treating it as nothing more than some last resort birth control by naughty, sinful, promiscuous girls. But it's all patriarchal. It's all Christian nationalism.

It's misogynistic at its core.

There's It's still my question, though. Amendment 4 on the ballot, November fourth. I've spoken and heard some of the petition gatherers who so bravely went out into this state to get signatures, to get this amendment on the ballot, who found men to be indifferent when they're standing outside of parks or farmers markets or supermarkets. Women were engaged, but men weren't. How do we get men to understand how fundamental this is and how important this is?

We actually have been seeing more engagement with men, especially the younger men, supporting either their sisters, their girlfriends, their partners, and really being able to galvanize this group as well as we talk about college campuses and young men there. I believe we need to give them more credit, I think, once they really understand that this is a slippery slope. So Yes, this immediately impacts women, but this impacts your entire family. This impacts the ability... I mean, what's next? Birth control. We're already seeing birth control being taken away. I mean, even in the state of Florida, there is the conscience Let me make sure that I'm getting this right. The conscious clause, which allows pharmacists and medical practitioners to decide on their own ideology if you should have an abortion, if I can give you your prescribed birth control. So That's where when we talk about these issues with men, specifically, you do see the outrage. When you talk about politicians making decisions about our personal medical decisions, that is what really motivates folks in general, but men as well.

Everyone with one of these, Don't shred on me, Florida license plates, or Don't shred on me, stickers or shirts, or flags. What could be more fundamental? This is about health care. This is about human human rights. This is about big government and bodily autonomy. Also, you have to remember, Roy, that the exceptions under Florida law, these aren't necessarily being made by women and doctors. These are going to be made by lawyers because doctors are going to go, This is a third-degree felony for me. I don't want to risk my license, my liberty, fines, up to five years in prison. We got to kick this up to the lawyers at the clinic or at the hospital. You have a bunch of lawyers. Remember all those death panels they were worried about, the Republicans with Obamacare? These are the death panels. The state of Florida is going to need people 24 hours a day at the state so doctors and lawyers at hospitals can call up and say, Hey, death panel, can we save this woman's life, or do we have to let her bleed to death in an ER waiting room? Alexandra, before I let you go, I'm just so, oh, man.

How do we combat the lies when you have the former President of the United States going on television saying that Democrats want abortions up to and even beyond nine months. They support the execution of babies. What do you say this buffoonery?

There's so much to say about it, and I'm trying to remain. Good luck. First of all, what we tell folks is that is ludicrous. There is no woman that is insulting. Again, it's misogynistic that women would actually wake up one morning in their ninth month and be like, You know what? I don't want to be pregnant anymore. Let's talk about viability. That's the important piece that people don't understand. Again, let's be it's clear that the opposition is using these as scare tactics. It's not Democrats, it's not Republicans. This is a bipartisan issue. This is an issue about policy and about a basic human right. And so viability is from 20... You can Google it and ask your medical doctor. From 22 to 24 weeks, a fetus can be born and live outside of the womb and have a 50% chance of survival. That's what viability is. To say that women are going to abort, having a baby at nine months, that's labor. That's a live birth. After they say, Oh, well, they can kill it afterwards. That's murder. Again, it's just it's scare tactics, and it's ridiculous.

It's mind boggling, but it's a lie being perpetuated over and over and over again by some pretty influential and powerful people. Let me be clear, it is bullshit. Alexandra Mondado, before you go, there's an event, Yes on 4, Super Saturday, coming up on May 18th. What is it? How can we find out more about it?

You can go on to the website of floridiansprotectingfreedom. Com or also look up Yes on 4. This is an opportunity. We'll have it every Saturday. The Floridians Protecting Freedom will have every single Saturday to volunteer. You'll get trained on how to talk about what we're having, this conversation exactly, how to get the vote and a variety of other things to really just mobilize and galvanize people to educate them about why it's so incredibly important to understand what this is about. In addition to understanding the laws around voting, and when that's going to happen.

Alexander Mondado, floridiansprotectingfreedom. Com. Thanks so much for being here.

Thank you so much.

Hey, what the hell happened to you and the DNC? Weren't you running for the chair down here? What happened? Miami, You got to call me chairman from now on. I don't think I have to, actually. Because you mean because I didn't win the election? I also dropped out of the election five days later because that's how long the election was. But at least I ran, unlike Uncle Luke. We had a lot to talk about, Roy. Next time, though, because-We don't have any time. Because we ran out of time on this one. But so much to talk about my brief but bitter run for Miami Dade Democratic chair, Uncle Luke not running for Congress, and a lot of other fun, exciting because Miami, for three. I got an F bomb in just before the end. You and Kabuto. Rest in power, young Ron Brewer. Cocaine.

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