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Never mind in America, there simply cannot be a place in the world that is better place for comedy than Los Angeles. Within a couple of miles radius, you have some giant, legendary comedy clubs. I saw Patton Oswalt on Sunday. I saw Mark Marin on Monday. You've got an assortment of things happening this week in comedy. And I'm happy to have Brad Williams here along with Amin and Charlote, because the state of comedy is interesting to me. It was already under some duress because so many comedians are complaining about not having freedom under cancel culture. But I'm watching Oswald and Mark Marin, and they were both struggling with just everything that's happening in the world. Both of them have arrived in a place where they're thinking, america as we know it and the world as we know it is basically going to be gone within eight years. And they're trying to do comedy within that construct as everything that happens in Israel now know, just depressing people all over the world. So, Brad, first off, there's no place like this, correct? New York maybe comes close, but there can't be any place like Los Angeles in terms of having access to yeah, there's New York.

And right now, Austin, Texas is kind of on the come up with Rogan opening his club. And on that 6th street where his club is located, there's like two or three other comedy so but they don't have the star power like you just described, where you can go to the Comedy Store and there's three rooms at The Comedy Store. In every room there's a national touring headliner that could be selling at a theater. I saw Chappelle in the belly room of the Comedy Store a few weeks ago and that holds 50 people. And I'm sitting here going, oh my God, people would be paying thousands of dollars.

It's like watching a star pitcher in a minor league rehab assignment because they're just testing material. You could see they're reading from notes and stuff. It's watching them how it is. They craft their act. But Marin and Oswald were having legitimate difficulties with just the state of the times.

Yeah, this is where I go for the ignorance is bliss argument for myself. Now, Marin, a lot of his comedy is his personal thoughts. And he's having a lot of thoughts right now on the state of the world. Me, personally, I don't do that. But that's the wonderful part about comedy and why also being in Los Angeles is so great. You can see whatever comedian, you know, if you want a certain type of comic, you can see them. If you want dirtier, if you want family friendly, if you want the geniuses. Like Marin and Patton were there over at the Largo. That's where you saw them. That's like a smaller theater where you'll see Conan O'Brien pop up.

That's not even one of the big clubs down. I mean, you could tell that thing is outdated. I was surprised that both of those guys were performing there.

Yeah, but that's where you go in La. You kind of hone your material here in Los Angeles and you go out on the road and you take it there. The thing about also being here is comedians are naturally competitive people. So when I see Patton Oswald go up and kill a room and I'm on next now, I'm like, shit, I better bring my A game. And then if I do well, then the comedian going on after me is like because we don't have typical shows of like, host, feature, headliner here. It's just headliner, headliner, headliner, headliner for 15 minutes each. So there is definitely sometimes I'm about to go on and I'm like, all right, I'm just going to work on some new stuff. And then Ali Wong goes on before me and destroys. And I'm like, all right, let's break out the old jokes because I'm competitive. I want to kill right after one of the biggest comics work in a day. So, yeah, there is and like that whole iron sharpens iron. We're all getting better because we're constantly surrounded by each other.

You mentioned Rogan. It's been fascinating to watch his rise. And I've also been a little bit confused to see him and Russell Brand emerge as maximum truth tellers when I almost always think of comedians as liars, I think of them as people who just make stuff up. And I understand that they're going to make stuff up. So I was a little surprised when Hassan Minaj got into, I mean, basically lost the Daily Show, right?

I'd also say Rogan isn't an ultimate truth teller.

Check your mentions after this airs.

No, I know, but Russell Brand and Joe Rogan have emerged now as someone as people willing to tell you their audience thinks that they're telling more truth than the average person. When I just find that funny as an idea because comedians I don't think of as being involved in truth. But let me just hassan Minaj, for those of you who do not know, was involved in a great deal of controversy because he volunteered in an interview that he's just made up parts of his act that involve hate crimes against his people.

Yeah, well, he's made up the parts where they're personal to him. The stories aren't untrue like they have happened all over the country, but and then this happened to me. That part is embellished, which I'll leave it to Brad. But I'm like, isn't that what stand up comics do? They take something that's funny? And I'm like, all right, I'm going to craft a story about how I was walking down the street. We think they were walking down the street.

Yeah, whenever we say the other day. No, that didn't happen the other day. I mean, the other day was four years ago, and we're still telling this bit. So there is that line, of course comedians are going to make stuff up. That's what I think the comedian is the best at, is we all lead funny lives. The comedian in general is the best at finding that incident that has happened to many people, and finding how to change it and find the funny in it. And so, like Amin said, these things have happened in the world. Hassan just makes them more personal. I think where people got mad at Hassan is that because he made them personal, it made them feel a certain way. And now when they find out that didn't happen to him, their feeling feels betrayed. There might be a line that comedians have that we can't make up, but I don't know what that line is. Because for me, the job of the comedian is ultimately to entertain the audience. Were you entertained? You felt that thing, okay, mission accomplished. I get why people would be upset, but at the same time, you step back and you go every movie that they said based on a true story, you think Cool Runnings was a documentary.

You think right before going down the hill, all the guys were like, Feel the rhythm. Feel their time. Wake on up. It's bumps that time. No, we make stuff up for comedic effect and to entertain you, the audience. So enjoy it. Sit back and enjoy it. And it's not even the worst thing Hassan Minaj has ever done. The worst thing Hasan Minaj has ever done. Amin, you know this because I said this on your show way back long ago. The worst thing Hassan Minaj ever did. I was in a celebrity basketball game with that guy. I was on his team. We were coming back. A roaring comeback against the likes. Bad Bunny was on my team before he was Bad Bunny. It was going amazing.

He was good, Bunny.

Yeah, he was good. Bunny.

Misbehaving buddy.

Lukewarm Bunny. And then we were coming back. Hassan gets the ball. He's coming down. We need a three pointer to tie this ball game up. Ray Allen is on the wing. Ray mother effing Allen. I don't know. He's in a couple of big threes in his life. He's open statistically at that point, the greatest three point shooter in the history of the NBA. Hassan took the shot.

No.

Why? Hassan? Ray Allen.

He could have just let Ray take it and said he made it.

This isn't Antonio Mcdice on the wing. This is Ray Allen. And Hassan took the shot. So don't go at Hassan for bending the truth a little bit and entertaining you with his stories. Go at him for that.

Charlote. Do you know the movie Cool Runnings? I don't expect you to. I just love that he was referencing the Jamaican bobsled team, an Olympic bobsled team from 40 years ago. The thing about Hassan minaj, though and one of the things that I think is interesting that's happening in comedy where some comedians become the modern day philosophers, they become some of our smartest people that we're listening to, whether it is Chappelle or Bill Maher, I think this is a crime. Even if you don't think it's an egregious crime, I think it's enough to have cost him The Daily Show. Like if you are somebody who is going to be in that lane as the host of somebody who's comedy but news, and we made Jon Stewart become a trusted news source.

I can see that because if you're Jim Gaffigan and you lie about your experience with bacon, that doesn't have the necessary weight that Hassan Minaj saying his daughter was sent anthrax in the mail that that happens. So I get that people are upset me as the comedian. I kind of see the whole thing as being equals, where I stand back and go, yeah, we're all comedians, we're giving an experience to the audience. I get how people can feel betrayed, completely understand you're. I think one thing that the audience really wants is authenticity. We laugh at Jim Gaffigan talking about bacon because they're like, yeah, I bet that guy eats a lot of bacon. That's authentic. When Neil Brennan goes on stage and has his thoughts about being a neurotic vegan, we look at Neil and go, checks out. If I went on stage and told jokes about being my experiences as a six foot four black man, even if they were funny, people would be like, we don't think you've actually had that happen to you.

I also think though, that it depends what you are asking of the audience when you tell these jokes. Like saying your daughter was sent anthrax engenders a lot of sympathy from the audience and a lot of feeling for someone and thinking how horrible that and to find out, wait, I spent a lot of emotional energy on you and your daughter and now you're telling me it didn't happen. Whereas if you burn your bacon, I'm not going to feel as bad for you. I think the stakes are different and I don't think it's all the same. I think it does depend on subject material.

In a weird way, Dan, it reminds me of people not being able to discern between analysts and reporters for sports, for instance, right? They would say, oh, the media is always lying. I don't believe this story written by Nick Friedell or whatever.

Why?

Well, I saw Stephen A. Smith said this on first take. No, no, but that's a different role. That's not Stephen A. Smith reporting, that's Stephen A. Smith on a debate show and they don't know.

I don't think the audience cares to make that discerning of a distinction.

So it's the same thing for know, you talk about Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Hassan, Roy Wood, all these guys, John Oliver, all these guys that host these comedic news shows.

They are all guys.

Yes, chelsea Handler but comedic news shows.

Right.

But they're also stand up comics. There's a difference between when Hassan hosts Patriot Act, which was his show on Netflix, where it is fact based and kind of journalistic in nature. When John Oliver does Last Week Tonight, it is journalism in a sense, even though it's also aggregation. What they're doing is they're aggregating other people's journalistic work versus when they're on stage, they're telling jokes, man, to comedians. But people have a hard time of.

Dividing the well, but especially when it's hate crimes, though, right.

That is a personal thing to a lot of people. And a lot of people have unfortunately gone through that. And so I get why people are upset. So when I tell a story about someone driving after me in a pickup truck in Odessa, Texas, yelling, Kill the dwarf, that did really happen to me. But I could understand why someone would be like, oh, wait, if they found out that was false, they would probably be upset because of the feelings that that made them feel.

But Brad, I'm pretty sure you don't like somberly. Just say and then the guy in a pickup truck, you're going to make.

A joke out of it.

You're going to make us laugh. Isn't that the point?

Yeah. The joke being that he used the correct terminology while he didn't say the M word. Yeah, well, he didn't call me a midget. So he like, all right, well, let's hear you out.

Progress.

Yeah. Don Lebotard that's how it's going to end.

The mailing it in. End of the retirement. Chris, go get me. This is just going to be him coming out and hitting the one or two notes of that kind of thing and you know it. And then just giving us finger guns and leaving.

Baby, you should listen to the great Cody Show podcast because that's all we do for 55 minutes a week is just say catchphrases. We even make songs about them. And you know It is a song, for crying out loud. That's great. Hopefully that's a Suey nominee for best song. And you know it baby and you know it stu Guts and you know it baby and you know it and you know it baby and you know it. This is the Don Levitar Show with the stu gods.

I was talking to Brad William Reese.

Before we recorded this segment.

Hi.

We're both Smiths fans, not Jada and Will, just more like this charming man Smiths.

Yes.

And I'd recently seen Morrissey, as I told you in the audience, and we were laughing about a story that I recently read because Morrissey wrote the CEO of Whole Foods and Jeff Bezos to take the funny already. Mike, it feels like a random lib generator so far. And it's going to get even nuttier an email.

He's firing it off.

I like to think Morrissey writes he.

Uses a quill, but not with a feather from an animal.

Yeah, no, just pick from his own locks. So he wrote Bezos and the CEO of Whole Foods demanding that they remove the brand of coconut milk from their shelves because the coconut milk that they sell there is picked by violently trained monkeys. And Charlote and I were trying to.

Piece together well, yeah, there's a grammar issue here. So violently trained is it violently comma trained monkeys, like, the monkeys are trained and they're violent. I'm assuming it's that they're trained using violent methods because I don't know why Morrissey would have issue with a bunch of really hard o monkeys picking coconut.

Yeah, I picked a coconut.

What are people I just figured, like those shots of the Shaolin monks all training, all in the field, but it's monkeys just all doing katas, just doing.

The kill bill fish training. I'm kind of down with the thought of a violent monkey, but I've also never come face to face with a violent monkey, especially when I'm in the way of the monkey and the coconut.

I have I have actually come well, I don't know. I'm going to say baboons are monkeys. Monkey family. Monkey.

Where's Ron McGill family? We're all in the Abe family.

A baboon. When I was in Africa this is actually a funny story involving my wife. I'm going to say I don't think it's the funniest thing I've seen visually with my wife, but it's up there because she was in a bathroom and there were a lot of places where there were just monkeys and those were friendly enough and not dangerous. But we were warned about the baboons. And my wife is coming out of a public bathroom and she can't see what's outside, but I can see what's outside and I can see that there is a baboon approaching. And as I'm about to tell her, hey, hon, you need to be careful here. What happens is she comes sort of face to face with the baboon, and my wife jumps up and screams and runs in the other direction. But so does the baboon jump? Yes, the baboon ran. They both frightened each other and then ran in opposite directions.

That is an incredible vision.

That is terrifying.

Yes.

Terrifying professor.

I mean, we've all heard the 911 call of the monkey that ripped off the lady's face. And I like how there's a have.

We I mean, we did talk about.

I listened to it twice.

Last there is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

Is it just me?

I remember the story we talked to Ron McGill about this woman we met.

Ron McGill had a yes, we needed.

It is I think that is the original story. We needed an expert to talk about. Should you have that as a pet? And then the answer was no, obviously not, because her pet destroyed her face.

Someone that had grown up watching Sabado. Higante. I was like, I know just the guy.

I like that. You saw a baboon about to go face to face with the love of your life and your response was, hun.

I wasn't that calm.

Where is that between fight and flight?

I was beginning to get out the thought and the baboon was not I'm painting this as if they were nose to nose. They were not quite that close, but they were close enough to frighten with each other.

Same amount of enthusiasm as you would if she had a little bit of lipstick on her teeth. You said, Hon, you have a baboon.

In your general circle. I do think that the visual of the baboon that's like out of Looney Tunes, like them both jumping up in the air and running away. It's beautiful, actually. It's high comedy.

Yeah.

Where were you staying in Africa? I understand that you're out there on safari, but you knew that the very real possibility would be that your wife is brushing her teeth and then she turns a corner and is face to face with a baboon.

That is not the scariest story that happened in Africa to me.

I don't stay in a hotel if it doesn't have a microwave in the room. Well, you're like, oh, baboons is roaming the premises.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever done that I'm about to explain to you. It might be well, if I had died this way, it would have been the dumbest thing I had ever done. And I had the very real fear that I was going to die. Because we were staying on a private resort that at the time that I went into, the place we were staying was vibrant and had a lot of workers, and no one told me that 11:00 p.m., everybody was leaving. And so it's about eight or nine cottages and I needed to get a charger for my electronic equipment and I come out at eleven. Now, keep in mind, this is an area giraffes and zebras. This is the wild is outside of the shrubbery that is encased, where we're encased, but it's a really nice place. And at the time that I went into the cottage, everything felt American and luxurious. Right? No, but what I'm saying is, in terms of hospitality or luxury, it felt like a resort that could have been anywhere in the world where people were staying that was fancy and it was bustling.

There were a lot of lights on, everybody was there, but as I came out, the last of the lights went off and I kept walking along a path that had some lights on it and started hearing in the trees and everything. I started hearing there was a lot of animal things happening. Ventura and it's dark and no one's around. And now I've gone far enough that I can't quite find my way back. I'm a little bit lost. Now, keep in mind this is all enclosed.

Okay?

But what swept over me was very real and justified terror, because those were big animals that I was hearing rustling around in the dark. And I realized fairly instantaneously that I was food. I don't generally feel that way.

I think that's actually an important moment. That's a humbling moment as a person be like, oh, we don't run this.

Even though I don't have home court advantage.

Have you guys ever come? I have a strange dream that I would love to see a bear in the wild. Like, I don't want to be that close, that it's dangerous, but I would really just love to see a bear in the woods at some point in my life.

No, because what if that bear is a mama? There's always these terrifying videos on social media of a bear just chasing people that are on a hiking trail. I saw this one of a cougar, and it was like six minutes of the cougar, like, started no, not the blue martini and POCA. No, like a mountain lion. And it would start and stop, and it would get its arms out. And the guy was just, like, in a panic.

No.

Thinking that he's going to die for, like, six minutes. I was just watching the entire video. No, I never want to see anything.

In the wild, okay? I get terrified if large birds are flying over my head, because I'm like, yeah, they could probably take me. They could probably just pick me up and go and drop me off in a nest.

Your wife has the fear that my wife has about her cats on our balcony, that one of these birds of prey is going to come and recognize that her cats, our cats, are a meatloaf in the wild, literally.

I had to take our dog for a walk two nights ago, and my wife yelled at us, like, hey, be very careful for you. There's coyotes around. Like, well, we have a dog, too. She's like, the dog will be fine. The dog's fine. We have a 90 pound pit bull. He's good. Me, she's worried about the coyote taking me out.

This happened to me two days ago here, because we're staying in the hills.

I thought you meant the Baboon story. And I was like, well, I have a lot more questions. Dan.

I have a coyote. I have coyote stories just from two days ago, because we didn't know what the sound was at 06:00 in the morning when it was still dark. We're in the hills, right? And you don't realize when you're staying here necessarily in the hills, that, again, it's their land, not yours. You built something there, but it's not yours. And what we heard howling in the shrubbery was clearly a pack of coyotes that was howling at another pack of coyotes. And you can't see any of it. It's in the trees, but it's very close by, and we're adjacent to a pickleball court where the net has clearly been eaten by wild animals. Like, you can just see that it's.

All such a California.

I wonder why everything's bad like that right there.

This is why we're setting up pickleball courts in a coyote's home. They're like, Why are the animals attacking? Well, you put a pickleball court in its house.

Charlote the bear strategy, should you ever encounter it, because Ron McGill has told us that if it is chasing you, you are doomed if you run. You have to stand up just so that you know it's emergency information. You stand up and make yourself big and just, well, I'm dead.

You got to get big. Brad well, due to certain genetic conditions that I possess, I don't think that's get big. Okay. The size of half of the bear.

I don't think that Charlote and Mike realize what a huge get probably not the right adjective to use what a huge get it is to have you this week, because later this week is National Throw a Short Person Day.

It is I'm sorry. October 21 is National Throw a Short Person Day. According to Urban Dictionary. So on that day, that's where I go in my doomsday bunker. And that is that is the dwarf version of the Purge, where for 24 hours, it is lawlessness out there in society. And yeah, it's like what? I already had to be cautious around St. Patrick's Day and the entire holiday season, and now we just invented more days. Is my condition that of being a dwarf? Is that the only one where we would have a national is there a National Push a Wheelchair Down a Hill day that I'm just missing here?

There's, like, National Donut Day. And then it's like, these are different. These are not the same.

Charlote seems like you're scared of this subject matter.

No, it's just really mean. Who would come up with that day?

And there's also people four National Donut days. Is this also, like, something that happens.

More than one of one. The scariest part is because I'm sort of the voice of my people. I get sent this frequently. My DMs are just like, hey, it's National Stab a Dwarf Day. And you're like it's. National toss a little person.

You need to get Morrissey to write a letter.

Or you need to get a bunch of violently trained monkeys to watch over you on National Throw Ashore Person Day.

I want that. I want a force field of violently trained monkeys to attack when someone tries to throw me. Morrissey, let's get on that. Don Lebotard we need to establish him some reasonable doubt. Yes. Everyone with a story where he beats more than you do.

Stu guts.

I always like leaving hand on the chicken can because he's so vulnerable. I just unfairly fade down the chickens.

To just leave him by himself.

This is the Dan Levitar show with the stu guts.

For reasons that are a little hard to discern. Brad Williams, the comedian who will be appearing in Dania at the Dania Improv november 16 through the 19th, is wearing a T shirt that is The Golden Girls with Rick Flair. The Golden Girls. There's a Golden Girls themed restaurant that's opening in Miami shortly, and Ric Flair makes me think of how great that Kevin Harlan call was of the Tyreek Hill touchdown where Tyreek Hill beats the corner and does a backflip in the end zone and celebrates by videotaping himself in the end zone. Kevin Harlan and I felt so bad for the corner on this play because you're chasing Tyree Kill. You're stumbling with your momentum behind Tyreek Hill. You fall on the floor and you're staring straight ahead at Tyreek Hill doing a backflip in front of you now as Kevin Harlan is shouting to the nation, oh, he smoked him. And then he goes and as I'm watching all of that, tyree Kill is on pace to have more receiving yards than anybody has ever had in a season. I'm thinking of Brad Williams'denver Broncos and how they are the opposite of everything that the Miami Dolphins are.

And in the offseason, I'm guessing that you had an enormous amount of hope that he was going to go in and fix Russell Wilson. Wilson's been okay. They can't score, but he's been better than he was last year.

Yeah, that's the barrier to entry. He's okay. He can't score. Well, that's a key part of being a quarterback.

But he's been better than he was.

Last year, and that shows you how bad he was last year.

Well, he's not the sole reason they're losing anymore. Now they have several reasons, including the coach that they gave up draft capital and several million dollars to. The most disappointing thing for Brad has to be that this is only the start of their attachment to Sean Payton and Russell Wilson.

Years to go. I think maybe 2032 is when we finally have a draft pick. So other than that, being a Broncos fan, my whole life has been there's three Super Bowls, so I'm very happy. And of course, the Tebow year, which I would argue was more exciting than some of the now. Oh, the pain. And just the fact that this is two years in a row where in the offseason I legit thought, oh, this team's going to be good. No, it's going to be good.

That's the thing. It's being bad. Anyone can be bad. Everyone's used to being bad. No problem. It's when you think you're going to be good.

Yes.

And you're not only not.

Oh, we got Randy Gregory, we got DJ. Jones. We got Russell Wilson.

Frank Clark, super bowl winner.

Yeah, we got all these guys. When Sean Pyton is going to finally fix all that, it's just the hope. Back when you were a Cleveland Browns fan, Mike, every year you would just know, like, well, it's. Not going to be good.

Right. There was, like, maybe three years where I was like, last year wasn't that bad. We have something good to build on. There'd be some new savior quarterback that you would stop believing in after a season.

Brandon Whedon.

Yeah, but I mean, your existence as a Bronco fan has generally been charmed.

Yes.

You've never looked at an extended run of poor form.

Has it ever felt worse than it did when it was 70 to 20? Is that as bad as it ever felt to love that football?

The worst it ever felt was when I paid thousands of dollars to go watch the Broncos in the Super Bowl against the Seahawks, get absolutely destroyed by the same Russell Wilson. What is this life? This man kills me, and then he comes on my team. If you can't beat him, join him. And he's joining, and then he's worse. But yes, 70 to 20 from a coach that was literally a ball boy, grew up in the system, is a Broncos fan. If you ask him, what is your team growing up, he would tell you, I'm a Denver Broncos fan. I'm friends with Dan Soder, who is obviously friends with your coach. And he's telling me, yeah, he wanted to go there. He wanted to be the Broncos coach. Could not get an interview. Couldn't get an interview. Kyle Shanahan is the son of Mike freaking Shanahan. Also grew up in the system, is a Broncos fan. Nope, can't get him.

How about John Elway on the way out? We'll trade for Russell.

Yeah.

Your problem. Walmart guys enjoy. And then Walmart ownership looks at it like, well, how do we fix this Russell Wilson thing that we got saddled with?

I don't know. We got Condoleeza Rice in the ownership. Can she do something?

Who came up with the idea to give up? Like, how many first round draft picks did you give up for Sean Payton?

Oh, for Sean Payton, it was one.

First round pick, but it was other draft picks as well.

It was other draft picks. Russ was like, all right, Seattle, you got our first round for, like, two. Like, we can't even tank for Caleb Williams. I don't even think we have a draft.

Yeah, the NFL kind of legislate said, okay, you have this Russell Wilson problem, but you can just draft a quarterback, and you could survive that big contract if you get your QB savior at a low price, but you don't have the draft capital to go out and get the quarterback in a great quarterback class.

Can we just trade Russell for Kurt Cousins and just have the exact same thing happen with both teams?

That's like the Indiana Jones, like, swapping bag of sand. We finally get away from this Kirk Cousins contract to bring in the Russell Wilson contract. To me, the most desperate part is there really is no end in sight.

No, there's nothing you're just stuck with it. I named my daughter after one of my favorite Broncos players of all time, of course, Sammy Winder. And no one got that joke anyway.

But would have been weird if it were.

I did. I did name her after a Broncos player and now she grows up having that where like a few years ago it would have been like, oh, my God, that's your name. That's awesome. And now there's signed jerseys on the wall and now that means nothing.

Little Russell Wilson will grow up so sad.

I want to ask you, though, how you feel about Elway, because obviously as a player, he was magnificent. Probably the best athlete in the history of the city.

Jokic wants a word. Two time MVP now, but like, it's.

Crazy that he's in a conversation now.

I would say, yeah, that it's.

But what I was going to say about him as an executive is and I wanted to bring in Amin on this because clearly John Elway as a great quarterback has no idea what a great quarterback looks like. He failed throughout to get any quarterbacks.

He didn't know that Peyton Manning was good.

He knew Peyton was good.

Credit to him.

He saw Peyton Manning with his one used neck and said he could still do it. And then they won with him being.

Bad, which was they won with Peyton Manning throwing nine touchdowns and 17 interceptions that season, the worst season Peyton Manning has ever had.

Brock Osweiler. Praise his name.

Andres Galaragu would like a word as well.

You can keep doing that if you want. There aren't going to be a lot better than Elway.

But how do raw would like a word.

How do you feel about Elway as an executive? Because on his way out, he saddles you with about $300 million in guaranteed money for Russell Wilson, who's now going to be in his late 30s on that contract.

God, that hurt. You just saying that. I would say that. He did put together the squad that won the Super Bowl in 2015. So you can't say it was a complete failure. There are many franchises that would give up god knows what would Stu got give how many years of suffering to have one Jet Super Bowl, one more Jet Super Bowl that's during his lifetime. So I can't say he's a complete failure, but you have to look at it and be, wow. And now he is out of the ownership and out of the front office. And we bring in George Patton who helps with the Russell Wilson trade and also trades for Sean Payton. So I don't know how's that marlin's GM. Can we get her in? Can we get her going? Patrick Raw would like a word.

Oh, that's not bad, actually.

That's actually pretty good.

Jacket is actually in the conversation because he won one as a player and as an executive. So I guess he would like a word.

Adam Foot would like a word.

That Jersey sold so many Adam Foot.

So cuts me because of that four game sweep.

So many Foot jerseys out there, man.

Everywhere you go, claude Lemieux, we'll keep going.

You mentioned Mike McDaniel. I don't know if the rest of you have enjoyed as much as I have. His mic'd up segments. There have been a few this year that I've really enjoyed. We made fun of at length. Gino Smith screaming. Oh, my God. When Aaron Donald came through the middle.

Of Gino Smith being human.

Yes, anybody would shout the same thing. Speaking of which, there was another one this week, because Kieran Williams of the Rams was hit by Jordan Davis a couple of weeks ago. Jordan Davis is six 6340 something pounds. And what you heard after the squashing sound was just a whimper that said, oh, shit, which was Kieran Williams. But Mike McDaniel was mic'd up, and he's just talking to himself all game, and he says, I'm fighting myself, and myself is winning. He is really unusual. And none of this would be charming if he didn't have an offense that was on a pace to blow out all other offenses in the history of the sport.

Oh, 1000%. You tolerate the weirdness and you tolerate this stuff. Now, if he was losing and talking to himself, you'd be like, oh, my God, our coach is insane. He's legitimately insane. But the fact that he has this historical offense and just players that are always open makes you go like, yeah, whatever he does, fine.

It's like, remember Adam Gase in the press conference where he was doing the crazy eyes? Like, if they had come out and won 15 games, like, oh, guy's great.

Right?

They call it genius when it works. When it doesn't work, you just loon.

But speaking of genius, though, are you surprised in any way? You've told us before that these people who are great at what they do can't necessarily coach. It can't necessarily explain to others why it is they were great, which is why most superstars don't end up being great coaches. But don't you think someone like John Elway should be able to spot in a quarterback future development that the rest of us could not?

Well, he very clearly couldn't spot future development because he just kept drafting tall guys. But he saw the finished product with Peyton Manning. He's like, I'll take him. He's better than Tebow.

I emphasis on finished, by the way.

Yeah, I just realized someone else that's in the great state of Colorado, dion Sanders would like a word.

Yeah. With the second and last seam in the Pac Twelve.

Yeah.

These are only ahead of Arizona State.

Dan, here's the thing. I don't think it's about the inability to explain in that case. I think the other thing is players, whether they're great or not, tend to have a bias for guys that they see something of themselves in for whatever reason. It might be a little thing, but it's like, oh, that reminds me of me. And then they conflate that with, like, this person has it, and then they put their trust in it. So I think player valuation sometimes is a science where you got to sit down and actually do the math rather than just kind of gut feeling.

He could play.

He can't play. And again, for the star player, the great player is like, no, I know, because he's got that thing that I had and I was great. So hence, he's going to be great, too.

But how is it that you pick terrible quarterbacks? Like, all of them are terrible. It's not like any of them even have a modicum of success other than the ones who we all can see, can play. That were Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson.

What's Nathan Peterman doing right now?

The Peter man?

Can we get him?

Where is he right now?

I think he's still around.

Is he?

Yeah.

Like, working he's not in Oakland?

No, I think he's right. I think Mike is.

Next to you'll. Tell me Trevor Simeon's on a roster somewhere.

He is. He's on the jet.

No, he's not.

I was right. Nathan Peterman is a quarterback for the Chicago Bears.

Good God. As if that franchise wait, he's back there?

Yeah. They very clearly saw something they liked.